/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>4939488
no not really

>>4939488
No

>>4939488
No, child there is something taxes and Japan does not consider streaming as a Job so Streamers are gangbanged by Japan's tax's laws. You too will learn it when you are old enough.

>>4939488
Yes, if she was smart enough to invest her money

More than enough to live comfortably for a decade at the very least. She won't stay in Japan either, so you can ignore retarded bleating one post above.

>>4939488
She already told everyone she is gonna mooch off Kanata since she has a job still after July 1st.

She could have been if she invested her money wisely instead of buying a 9000 dollar bed.

That money won't last forever especially in an expensive country like Japan. She will also not be able to extend her visa. No way she won't regret leaving, it's too good of a job to pass on like that.

>>4939488
she could if she moves to some bumfuck inaka. Maybe survive for a few years if she stays in a metropolitan city, also depends on how much cover takes on superchats.

>>4939620
>She won't stay in Japan either

Ogey so, are her parent/ guardian?

How long before she return to Hololive once she blow all of her money

>>4939597
Isn't she murican? She doesn't have to abide by Japanese tax code.

>>4939718
She is a half breed

>>4939644
A good bed is the best investment you could make

If Coco can't live at least for a while on her money how some other girls with way less income even sustain themselves?

>>4939488

i think shes from a wealtjy familiy. money was never an issue. but now she has sacked anywhere between 1 and 2 million and still has her private channel. shes an attractive woman as well. shes living on easy street.

>>4939488
No but if she's been smart with her money she has over half a million invested. Apparently she owns the block of apartments she lives in with Kanata now.

>ITT: retards make dumb rrats about japanese tax code and Coco's net worth

>>4939663
Ah hello newfag, I think you got your Idols mixed up. We are not talking about Kiara but Coco and if you dont know she is not half. She is a pure jap but born in USA. Her whole family moved back in Japan 10 yeras ago and she already has citizenship as she is once again a pure jap and was working a 9 to 5 job before joining Hololive.

>>4939774
>Anything that isn't said directly by the talent on a stream is a rrat
I'm losing patience with you fucktarded reddit cunts

>>4939663
Japan isn't that expensive

>>4939777
>She is a pure jap but born in USA
So a USAfag

>>4939752
She can live on it for "a while" but probably not for the rest of her life, she's not a millionaire.
Girls like Mel and AkiRoz obviously dont do this as their main job.

>>4939812
Depends if she renounced her citizenship or not since Japan doesn't allow dual citizenship, though chances are she's still a USAfag because you'd be insane to give up USA citizenship.

>>4939815
So in a year or two after burning all her money she will return

>>4939681
Coco and Rushia apparently renegotiated their profit sharing to their favor.

>>4939837
yeah she gave up usa citizenship a long time ago as they were only there due to her father's job

>>4939488
she could have been but the stupid bitch spent all into fancy food for her wife and a 9k dollars bed

>>4939488
no, don't see the number on playboard, because cover take her money alot

>>4939868
This is fine with me.
She can be the first returning talent and pave the way for any who graduated while she was away who also want to return.

>>4939774
I mean, it would be off topic if they didn't.

Hey fucking retards, just her kson channel is making her twice a salary and she have the nnd secret club that is making her yet another one
Do you think cover do anything but milk their talents dry like absolute kikes?
Girls barely get 35% of the money you give to them after cover and youtube get their cut

>>4939882
Moving "back" to USA right now would be poor timing given the inflation rate.

>>4939718
Americans actually get double dipped. It's one of the few countries on Earth that taxes you for income earned abroad. Coco has to pay income tax in both countries.

Yes she is pretty rich now

>>4939704
Until tatsunokos stop giving SCs and membership to her roommate's channel.

>>4939488
Fuck no dumbass.
Women spent money like retards. More so if they are high earners.
I bet she doesn't even have half a mil in her account even tho she was the most superchatted one for couple of months.

>>4939837
>you'd be insane to give up USA citizenship
lol why? It's not like it's an EU passport. American citizenship is only valued if you're a third worlder. Giving it up for citizenship in another 1st world country is hardly irrational if you intend to live there forever.

>>4939488
She has earned about 300-400k USD in superchats depending on how you calculate taxes, and who knows how much in merch and membership. If she invests it smartly she'll be fine for the rest of her life.
If not, well, that'll be enough to live for a decade or two

0>>4939488
HELL NO! Being rich is about having a steady source of income with out having to work for it. Just having a large bank account means nothing once inflation destroys it's value in 20 years.

>>4939942
Then why doesn't she have her own apartment?

>>4939964
why are yuropoors like this?

>>4939815
Coco did say that she's not normally a big spender (130k per month on expenses isn't a large amount), and remember she's still getting a good amount of money on her roommate memberships and SCs with only a Youtube cut.

>>4939979
>If she invests it smartly
Money literally burns in women hands

>>4939934
>Moving "back" to USA right now would be poor timing given the inflation rate.
Anon-chama, your exchange rate reps.
Inflation is not the primary factor.

>>4939984
She is married to Kanata is obviously why retard.

>>4939959
She will move to twitch and open up a only fans once the Hololive money run out

>>4939997
>Money literally burns in women hands
AFAIK several comparative studies on gender and investment have shown women to be more conservative, stable investors: more pragmatic, higher median returns than men, lower average returns than men. Less likely to make outsized returns, but less likely to take risks that don't pan out.

>>4939488
She probably is capable, but won't be able to. the problem is most people aren't capable of reigning themselves in and cut back on expensive spending habits once they've gotten accustomed to them, and they don't invest their money either. Also woman are particularly bad at handling money
If she went all in on crypto she could probably live off of that forever, but good luck getting her to figure out how

>>4939987
I'm American. In the 50's an American passport was hot shit but we haven't had enviable living standards in decades. This is an actively crumbling society.

If you're a dirtpoor Guatemalan moving here is a leg up, granted. But if I could pick any citizenship I wanted the USA wouldn't be in my top 10.

>>4939998
Not sure what you're trying to say, there's a recession right around the corner, everything points to it, if you have savings i suggest you invest at least a part of it in something that wouldn't be affected by inflation and a market crash.

>>4939984
She likes the company

>>4939488
>is she rich enough to not have to work anymore
Yes. But she will, because she's going to make poor financial decisions and blow all her money.

See: her $9000 bed

>>4940177
>her $9000 bed
I bet it was worth every single cent for all that kanata action she had in there

>>4939763
dont forget, she has double degree and various job experiece, not to mention connection. so yeah, she's kinda on an ez road ahead.

>>4940177
A bed isn't a bad investment compared to say a fucking car or jewelry. At least she isn't a buck.

maybe if you retire in indogland

>>4939873
sauce?

>>4940236
can't wait for coco's philipino sex tourist arc. $100,000 goes a long fucking way there.

>>4939488
If she was smart, resourceful and hardy enough, yes.
With just the supachas from that one return stream she did she'd have enough money to buy a woodlot in a free State, build her own tiny home, and buy enough seed and ammo to feed herself for the rest of her life.

However she probably wouldn't be happy with that, since she's a reddit browsing Vtuber and all.
For some reason people think that worrying why people are giving them the cold shoulder or what you did to make others mad while trying to balance a steady income with your own happiness in this "civilized" world where you just serve as a labor and money cow for the wealthy is less stressful than simply worrying where you're going to get your next meal or being sorta lonely sometimes.

>>4940177
Tatsunokos SCd her specifically for that bed since she was resorting to taking sleeping pills to get a good night's rest

>>4939488
Of course, she can be annuitant and live comfortably for the rest of her days. Don't listen to burgers thinking Japan is like America where you have to pay insane health costs and pay off a huge student debt.

perhaps she could cut some of her costs if she moved in with me

>>4940076
>AFAIK several comparative studies on gender
Are entirely pulled out of the asses of a college campus faculty to make the kids in their care feel good.

>>4939488
Yes. She knows enough spanish to move to LATAM and live like an upper middle class NEET.

She can freeload off her wife.

>>4939964
>you'd be insane to give up USA citizenship
Good one
Some people are really living in the past

>>4939999
And a non-shitposting answer?

>>4939488
She IS a woman, all she'd have to do is leech off of a husband that's not you, like all women do.

>>4940342
Wat? She had like 3 lessons on duo

>>4940397
Stop this incel mentality only 99.99% of women do this

>>4940177
She said on her member stream that she only spends about 130k yen a month, not a particularly large amount in Japan.

>>4940396
Did you not see the quads of confirmation?

>>4940136
>recession
>inflation
>market crash
Anon-chama... inflation tends to decrease during recessions.

I know exactly what you are attempting to say. You might even be right on some of it. You are not using the right words in the right way, though. Some thoughts:
1: A recession typically is declared in retrospect, after two consecutive quarters of decline in GDP. Not "everything" is pointing to that.
2: A market crash (I assume you mean stock market) seems possible, or at least a correction. However, a lot changes for the average person depending if you get a panic-level selloff (a true "crash"), or just a gradual correction in several sectors spread over a quarter or two.

As for inflation? The conventional wisdom used to be that falling unemployment led to rising wages, which led to higher inflation. A lot of very sober inflation-hawks spent the period 2015-2019 making very diplomatic statements to the effect of "Maybe we don't understand inflation as well as we think we do." Right now, part of what we're seeing may be that the CPI Market Basket isn't an infallible oracle. It's normally good enough, but uncharacteristic temporary shocks to key goods (housing, used cars, etc.) can cause it to behave strangely.

Again, you may be right on some of your concerns, but not all of those big scary things you named are going to happen at once, by their very nature.

>>4939606
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_d2Bm3l-lE
most streamer or OF don't know that pro tip

>>4939999
Those quads don't lie.

>>4939742

>>4939815
>Mel and AkiRoz
No they don't Mel especially barely streams nor even her roomate, HL is a side hustle at best for the most of the lower SC girls

>>4940402
That's all you need

>>4940435
>Right now, part of what we're seeing may be that the CPI Market Basket isn't an infallible oracle
No shit. Real inflation has been over 4% for nearly a decade now and is rapidly ramping up to 10% this year

>>4939777
Unless she renounced her US citizenship, no she doesn't.

>>4940508
And why wouldn't she
I would get ride of that as soon as possible if I was unfortunate enough to be born there

>>4939742
A bed is an acquisition, not an investment.
A $9000 bed is stupid nonetheless.
I doubt you need more than $1000 to find a ''good'' bed whatever the fuck that means to you.

>>4939940
You get a credit for the taxes you pay overseas, it's not like straight up double taxation or anything.

>>4940086
Everyone says that but no one ever moves anywhere else. The emigration number in the US is always miniscule.

>>4939597
Capital gains are taxed the same as income in Japan.

>>4940562
it was a joke man

>>4940439
No ones going to wat a 45 minute podcast of some nigger interviewing some thots anon.

>>4940508
Absolutely terrible time to be Asian in America. US citizenship not as valuable as it used to be.

>>4940642
where's the punchline?

>>4940483
Depending which self-proclaimed geniuses you choose to place trust in, it already has been about 10% since 2001! But has average person's life gotten 10% more expensive year over year since 2001? I don't feel entirely qualified to answer, but you can cherry-pick your own basket to make the case for and against pretty easily, which makes internet discussions on this devolve pretty quickly.

That said, we've strayed from the topic of what it means to Coco. I think we don't know enough to say. For all we know, some of her money could already be in USD in an account she opened while living there. Good luck to her, if that's the case. Or it could be all JPY, at which point we could ask all sorts of fun questions like "Will there be a better JPY to USD exchange in the near future due to the crazy spike in M2?" and so on. This is all speculation on top of speculation: we don't even know that she is returning to the US in the first place!

>>4940671
Why? Because of the china virus? That's overblown by libtards needing a new boogieman

Taiwan IS a country.

>>4940680
it's (You)

>>4940671
Because you might get sucker punched by a certain enlightened minority on a public bus? Just don't live around them in some shithole city. Asians make the most money out of any group in the US.

>>4940612
No shit, moving somewhere else is a huge decision and not that easy, and it also costs money to do it properly, most American are indebted. Not to mention the school propaganda trying to brainwash teens about how great and might the US is and how everyone can reach the top based on "merit".

>>4940562
People gave the 9k specifically to buy the bed. It was a gift/demand from the crowd. Buying the bed was more of an audience interaction than anything else.

>>4940706
>Asians make the most money out of any group in the US.
perhaps you're forgetting a certain (((someone)))

>>4940715
Right, most of them are even convinced they're the main reason of Germany loss in 45.
I couldn't find one american knowing how most of the work was done by the Soviet Union. When they even knew the Soviets were against Germany.

>>4940508
I heard you had to renounce to every other citizenship to get a japanese one or is that just some dumb rrat? I have no clue about jp immigration policies. But i doubt that's the case iirc she said she had to pay extra taxes exactly because she's not of japanese citizenship

>>4940696
Yeah, if you don't count one of the more prominent other groups.

>>4940612
That's because moving is a bitch, cutting off all ties to your family and friends and starting a new life is a hard proposition even if you're from a shithole country. Doesn't change the fact that America has taken a mighty big fall as far as living standards, and where it hasn't fallen its stagnated. Wages, vacation time, retirement age, Healthcare costs, home ownership rates, all down the fucking tubes.

>>4940435
>You are not using the right words in the right way, though.
What can i say, English isn't my first language, and i won't pretend i'm an expert, i'm just saying you should prepare just in case, there's a lot going on that is pointing in the same direction and some of it is way overdue, but yeah, not literally "everything", my bad.

I guess a part problem for inflation is that people aren't working when there are jobs available, that probably will change when the handouts are over, assuming they do end, it's reckless to just keep printing money.

The hike in gas prices is probably the main cause right now though, you do need gas for everything related to food and other goods.

>>4940700
man down man down!

>>4940696
Massive uptick in violence against Asians by dipshits blaming any available Asian they see for the virus. Politicians on both sides using Asians in general as scapegoats.

>>4940774
Many countries don't allow dual citizenship, the ones that do just kneel to rootless cosmopolitans.

>>4940774
Plenty of countries don't allow dual citizenship for adult immigrants. Japan is one of those places, yes.

>>4940774
>I heard you had to renounce to every other citizenship to get a japanese one or is that just some dumb rrat?
That is correct. The US is unusually liberal in that it doesn't ask you to renounce citizenship if you get one elsewhere. Japan requires you renounce all previous citizenship. AFAIK they don't always thoroughly validate that, and you could try to lie about it... to what ends? So that you can risk being arrested later? In the country you just worked hard to get a new citizenship in, and has basically the same freedom of movement as the US? It would be quite the dumb move.
>But i doubt that's the case iirc she said she had to pay extra taxes exactly because she's not of japanese citizenship
That is also correct.

>>4940706
>Asians make the most money out of any group in the US
Asian households have more money on average because the average Asian house has a larger family unit. Asian cultures typically don't toss out their kids when they turn 18. As such, you get multiple paychecks arriving at one address. Whites still make more on a person to person basis.

>>4940800
>Massive uptick in violence against Asians by dipshits blaming any available Asian they see for the virus
No proof of that. Don't believe everything CNN tells you bucko.

So whats gonna happen next? Will she go to vshojo or what?

>>4940809
Plenty of very high quality of life countries and/or with rich culture and identity, allow it. To name a few, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Finland, France, Canada etc.
Even Russia allows it I wouldn't say they "kneel to rootless cosmopolitans"

>>4940874
She has directly stated she is not joining any existing group ever (other than hypothetically Hololive if they cleaned up their shit).
She's going indie and maybe down the line starting her own group.

>>4940687
>But has average person's life gotten 10% more expensive year over year since 2001?
Mine did, shit, I'd even say by more than 10%

>>4940871
The lie CNN is talking about is the perpetrators not the victims.

>>4940838
Japan comes down pretty hard if they find out you didn't forfeit your foreign citizenship. One story I read had the guy getting his japanese citizenship revoked, permanent residency revoked, and had to talk to the IRS about back taxes in the USA since he wasn't paying those either. Basically totally up the creek. Seems like a stupid thing to fuck around with.

Fun fact, Japan actually has the most valuable passport in the world. You have more countries that allow you to visit without a visa than anywhere else.

>>4940871
niggers

>>4939488
>>4939606
>>4940646
>Susan takes half her earnings
>Cover takes another half
>taxes
No one in Hololive is rich. If they were rich they wouldn't be wasting their time in Hololive.
>b-but this one girl said!
You have no way to verify if what they say in-character is them talking about their real selves or if it's even true in the first place. Cope.

>>4940950
There are many girls that literally need this job for their ego/mental health.
Pretty sure Polka would end up killing herself if she couldn't do vtubing.

>>4940632
>Capital gains are taxed the same as income in Japan.
Isn't it flat 20% for stocks and securities?

>>4940978
And then we have Shion, who is actively being deranged by her activities in Hololive. Truly a company of contrasts.

>>4940950
The splits are
30% YT
35% Cover
35% Talent
The highest tax rate in Japan is 55%, so assuming the worst and that she never hired a good accountant, she made $369,304.98 since debut from superchats.

>>4940871
CNN?? Cable news watching retards like you need to learn to read actual press releases from local news sources. Many police departments in major cities across the US are establishing anti-asian hate crime units due to the very noticeable increase in violence against Asians. Asian towns in big cities have young men patrolling their streets to protect their elderly and women. Of course, you probably don't see this if you stay inside all day or live in some countryside or suburban shithole.

>>4941058
I think you quoted the wrong post.

>>4940838
The US is not "unusually liberal" about this. Most countries permit dual citizenship.

>>4939984
Why would you want to live alone when you could live with a friend that you enjoy living with?

>>4941099
here's the breakdown.

>>4940901
But we dont know what exatly happenned in hololive, no? I mean there is no way she said she'll quit because she can't handle chang harrassing anymore. There is no way she'll go back to cover.

>>4941148
Personal space. But their house seems big enough for that. It's not the case for most people especially in Japan tho.

>>4941058
>Many police departments in major cities across the US are establishing anti-asian hate crime units due to the very noticeable increase in violence against Asians
Yeah just like the FBI thinks "white supremacy" is the biggest threat to the US at the moment lmao

>>4939488
The Yakuza is taking back everything she owns as we speak, so no.

>>4941085
Nope, that was directed at the cable news watching retard. The only entities who care about a cable news network are other cable news networks and the retards who watch them. He referenced CNN which shows that he lives in that worthless cable news bubble and assumes other's share his bubble.

>>4941197
>There is no way she'll go back to cover.
Realistically? No and she knows it.
But she loves her coworkers and if, for the sake of argument, the mistakes by Cover that made her leave were to be convincingly resolved then she could go back.

>>4939940
The US has a tax treaty with Japan that because Japan has a higher tax rate, means she'll pay no American tax.

>>4941214
Dog whistle.

>>4941239
Honestly why would anyone go back after this? Its clear as fuck Cover probably didn't wanted to bother with Chang's spreging. To choose them over her feels like a BS. I mean a lot of times she recieved restrictions too that she can't do this or that, but maybe its better for her if she left.
This whole corporate fuckery is getting out of hand and I'm fairly sure cover as a whole is now just going to be no fun allowed mode. Everything will be sterile as fuck in this year.

>>4941239
From what she said and her tone, she really does want to stay, so if we give all of upper management some concrete shoes or nuke all of mainland china that would do it.

>>4940978
Most of them would. Japanese people are always looking for an excuse to an hero.

Honestly she wasn't in Holo that long, was she
Like a year and a half?

>>4941237
I suggest you read what he said again instead of doubling down.

>>4941296
>no fun allowed mode
The proper description is "family friendly". And yes, the talents will either bend to it or be made to leave.

>>4940915
Japan seems to give to access to 6 more visa free than the US. 4 of these are obvious (Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela) but I can't figure out the last 2.

>>4940871
>Don't believe everything CNN tells you bucko.
>>4941342

>>4941368
Yeah, how are you interpreting that as somehow defending CNN?

>>4941332
Anon if she doesn't exist neither would holoEN. This is for sure, she did so much networking and opening up for overseas fans. I mean I know the "show must go on" mentality but fuck yagoo should at least shows some form of compassion.

>>4941345
I'm going to be honest I suspected this will happen sooner or later especially around gen5. The company becomes too big, the fun gets sucked out, everything is too tame and boring. There is a reason why there was no asacoco either, but these are the reasons I started watching this whole thing. It's offensive but funny. If its all idolshit its boring.

>>4941417
People worship Yagoo for some reason but to me he looks like a fuckin weirdo

>>4941396
Holy shit, you need to learn how to think critically while reading if that's how you interpreted that.

>>4941237
This guy is right. I walked outside my door and saw a redneck waving the Confederate flag attack an innocent Japanese family enjoying bento in the park while screaming "FUCKING CHINK FLU GO HOME"

She can make a fortune with escorting now

>>4941438
The intention is not bad to give girls a chance to perform, but eventually this thing will happen, but it still feel like bs from cover's side, because Coco did a lot of things to reach out overseas. The its like nu uh you can't collab with them. For fuck's sake they wouldn't even let her do it with vshojo or even holoEN, which happened because it was a "yeah who cares let her have a collab before she fucks off".

>>4941488
>now

>>4939695
Yes.

>>4941448
I think you're just reading what you want to read to be honest, but yeah, fuck CNN.

>>4941396
Your point was that people only think Asians are getting targeted because of CNN.
He was disputing that and pointing out that CNN's reporting on the matter didn't matter, people are getting their information from other sources that have nothing to do with CNN or mainstream news networks in general.

I don't see how this can be made more obvious.

coco cum countdown asmr

>>4939488
Yes but not at her current standard of living

>>4940696
I have a half Korean half spic friend who is terrified of going back to his neighborhood because he got sucker punched by some black kid while he was on his way home.

>>4941573
>Your point was that people only think Asians are getting targeted because of CNN.
I have not made any point, i'm not that guy, and yes i agree with that.

>>4941587
Yeah well niggers gunna nig, what can you do about it

>>4940800
Literally always niggers

>>4939644
A great bed is one of the best investments you can make anon. You'll learn this as you get older or you're old already but a poorfag.

>>4939597
I don't live in Japan...

>>4941587
Honestly you are a fucking idiot if you live in a place like that and you dont carry a weapon.

>>4941669
Sleeping on the floor is best for your back. This bitch bought a mattress in japan of all places where floor sleeping is the norm.

>>4941620
Not let niggers run around all of your cities burning shit whilst your politicians tell them they are right to do so and generally excuse any and all behaviour from them whilst saying that any authority that get's in their way is bigoted and evil? Think that might have something to do with niggers acting like they can get away with anything and everything and beating up defenceless old woman just because it makes them feel good.

>>4941738
Have you ever tried sleeping on a floor?

>>4941745
>>/pol/

>>4939488
She invested in DOGE last year so her net value is 9 figures now. She actually cashed out some weeks ago in anticipation of her graduation. That's why the Crypto market crashed.

>>4941751
Yes, you're doing it wrong without some padding though. Which is what the futon is for. If you just take a blanket to the carpet that's going to suck. If it wasn't socially unacceptable I would throw my bed out. I sleep more soundly on the floor, I chalk it up to better spinal alignment.

>>4941751
Yeah, i've slept on the floor/ground with my rough wool soldier coat back when I was doing lots of meth. It's peak comfy when you get used to it

>>4939488
Anybody that answered yes, including OP that even suggested this, should be booted off the site immediately for being underaged.

>>4939488
possibly, but its very unlikely

>>4939695
her mother already returned to america, she will probably go back to the US and live with her

>>4939742
Unfathomably based.

>>4940086
anon, you are, once again, delusional. it's specifically because Americans are so well that they find non-existent problems to complain about.
you succeed off merit and connection. this has always been the case.

>>4943333
luck and connection, "merit" is a myth

>>4943392
It may sound cringy, but you make your own luck. Being aware of the circumstances that lead to success is also part of the "merit"

>>4943392
what's your GPA, anon?
you think pajeets get jobs at google because of connections? you think asians opening shops in black neighbourhoods have "connections"?
this "luck" cope is unironically made by retards who just live off benefits or work wagie jobs.

>>4943507
I'm an engineer in IT (semantic analysis), it's well paid and comfortable, no overworking and lot of work from home.
Where and from who you are born heavily determin your opportunities. You can try just as hard as many but no get result because of elements in vast majority out of your controle. Sure, "trying your best" is better, but many people do that, in the end, cryonism and luck are the main factors.
Of course, people who got that luck will always convince themselves they got there from their own "merit", it works similarly to the survivor biais.

>>4943392
You sound like a Reddit faggot who has no marketable skills. Any construction employee who can write at a proper high school level can make a 6 figure salary as a foreman, the learned professions (engineering, medicine, law, etc) are valuable enough that the educations is paid for as long as you’re smart enough to inspire confidence you can succeed at the programs, and the military is all merit. Entertainment is closer to luck, but even then you either need to be smart or talented enough to take advantage of the luck when it arrives.

>>4943591
Don't even try to argue with mutts on that, they're brainwashed to accept the myth of the self-made man going from nothing to the top. It's toxic and honestly pretty sad, but their whole ideology is rotten to the core.

>>4943507
ask me how I know you don't work in any worthwhile industry. pajeets are dumb as fuck at the companies I have worked at.

>>4939984
Because her and Kanata getting housemates was a rite of convenience more than finances. When they started looking, Kanata was having some health issues and Coco was suffering from insane insomnia. They were moving in together to keep each other safe, and eventually Suisei opted in to be their Designated Normal Person.

>>4939488
I'll make her my sugar mommy until she's completely dry, then we'll start whoring out the most doormat holos to make a living then write official hololive h-manga of that concept until we die of drug overdose

>>4943702
>Suisei
>Designated Normal Person.
she gives me Patrick Bateman vibes

>>4943591
>Where and from who you are born heavily determin your opportunities.
yes, the difference between growing up in africa and growing up in the US is quite literally night and day. it's why people who emigrate to the US do so well.
it's quite hard to find a job in modern day US, but it's still very much possible. just work for it and you'll figure something out.

>>4943727
At the very least, Suisei has the lowest risk of health issues compared to what the other two were going through at the time.

>>4939488
Unless she's somehow invested her money very, very well and bought some very good stocks... no.

>>4939488
Impossible to say currently, we don't know how much Cover takes or what Coco's expenditure is.
Having no children and sharing a house automatically makes her cost of living well below a normal person, I'd be surprised if she couldn't coast along for a few years. I doubt she'd graduate if she couldn't afford it.

>>4939488
if she had only lived in America and invested smart, assuming no collapse in the future she'd be able to retire comfy on the ~1million or so she's made thus far, yeah. and just casually stream on kson to pick up some extra bucks now and then if she felt like it.
if willing to move somewhere cheap in South Asia, South America or Eastern Europe, you could manage it on a lot less than that.

but as for what she pays in taxes as a Japanese/ how much Japan would take out of her nest egg every year, i don't know anything about that.

>>4943507
Luck and privilege exist but you can compensate them with sheer hard work and talent. I deeply respect people that do that.

>>4943507
>you think pajeets get jobs at google because of connections?
uhh... actually, that's often the case yes

shes probably well off enough to live comfortably while choosing something else to do for the next decade at least id say

>>4939488
Isn't 1 and a half years not that long to be a vtuber?

>>4939488
If she was already rich before joining hololive yeah.

She is a millionaire she is set for multiple lifetimes

>>4941046
Do Holos get anything from merchandise sales?

>>4941197
I've been doing my reps and there's evidence from more than one year ago about Coco hinting at bad management on Cover. It was around Towa's incident, where a male voice was heard in the background. Cover issued an empty statement saying they were looking into protecting their talent. Some comments were like "Coco is right, their management sucks"

>>4943751
Hard to find a GOOD job. You can find easy shit comfortable jobs but don’t expect to find a place to live

>>4939488
If Polka is filthy rich what do you think Coco is?

Is she really leaving or is it a publicity stunt?

>>4945713
they do but nobody knows how the money is split or how much they've sold so any numbers involving them is just pulled straight out of my ass

>>4939798
My 700 yen bowl of ramen has a single thin slice of pork in it.

I am excited for Coco's comeback arc. In due time. I hope she takes a nice vacation first. She's more than earned it.

>>4941046
always see these percentages posted but no proof
where do these numbers come from

>>4939994
had a fucking aneurysm reading this before I realized you meant yen

>>4945713
>Susan can't double dip
Oh hell yes.

Poor people always think that once you earn enough money from being middle-class it will teleport you to heaven and you will live the rest of your life playing games, fucking girls and never lifting a finger but never think why they would believe it.

>>4946785
Not having to work is the closest thing to heaven.

>>4941255
IRS niggers absolutely S E E T H E at the thought.

>>4939488
You have no idea how expensive it is to live in Tokyo.

>>4946899
You will still work.

>>4946723
The 30% to Youtube comes from Youtube, that isn't Hololive specific.
The 50% of what's left going to Cover comes from Coco during one of the meme reviews.

>>4947164
Not if I have enough money to live without working.

>>4939644
Do you sleep on the fucking floor Anon? A bed is a great investment

>>4947211
You will still, because living while not doing anything is miserable and will hurt you buckets in a long run. You won't even be able to start if you're naturally hardworking. Keep dreaming.

>>4939763
Yeah I don’t understand why people think she’ll be on the streets once she’s done. She’ll be fine

>>4939984
Maybe because she likes living with kanata?? It’s just fun and convenient

>>4941417
>Anon if she doesn't exist neither would holoEN
Westerners may have flocked to her because she speaks English, entertaining and the most vulgar hololive but let's not get carried away.

>>4947337
Imagine being so brainwashed by wage slavery that you can't come up with anything to do in your life except work.

>>4947522
What would you do then? Watch anime everyday?

>>4947522
Working without having to worry about paying your bills is a pretty far cry from wage slavery anon. Believe it or not some people actually dig delayed gratification beyond the scale of edging yourself when you're jerking off

>>4947657
Is that really the only alternative you can come up with?

>>4947705
Mind giving us some ideas?

>>4947657
>go on 4chan(nel)
>make fun of people who want to be NEETs
I'm impressed by the sheer amount of normalfags on this shitty board

>>4947760
Dumb wage drone.

>>4939488
>was holding the most superchatted spot on the platform for MONTHS only getting passed by Rushia just recently and Gura afterwards
She bought a $9000 bed during the first few months because she had so much money to burn, she is pretty much set for life.
Zhangs lost

>>4948135
When you have no skills and talents you have to make it with obedience and low expectations. I'm sorry your every work experience ended up with you being a dumb wage drone anon

>>4947760
Go outside? Have you never encountered a retired person with money? You have all the time in the world to throw yourself into any hobby you want and all you can think of is watching anime and being bored?

>>4939488
No. Keep in mind Coco only keeps 35% after youtube and Cover cut. Then she has to pay super high japanese taxes. She needs to work, it's not even close. But she has enough money to buy some very safe stocks and an apartment

>>4939488
she is starting her own corp and is related to galaxy or a planet mark my words she codeworded in his zatsudan

>>4941587
That sounds less like an anti-Asian racism problem and more like a nigger problem, which is a perennial issue.

>half hispanic
He should have ample family members ready and willing to help El Chino take retribution on the nigger menace, then.

>>4948400
Well I asked what that anon particularly would do.
>Travelling
Corona
>Hobbies
Closer to the truth. In case of Coco she doesn't have to bust her ass for superchat anymore, she can stream whatever she wants and when she wants because clearly streaming is her hobby.
Just because you monetized your hobby it doesn't stop being a work, you just don't have to worry about not earning enough.

>>4941914
Agreed, everyone here is underaged, a NEET loser or low tier wage slave. She has 2.2 million in total revenue over two years and people think she's set for life? Everyone in my office in my profession bills a total revenue of 1.2 million usd a year, then you take out the amount for staff, taxes, facilities, and you are making 6 figures, but she hasn't even lasted 2 years while my career has 20+ more years with 401k.

Early retirement is for people who earn millions a year in hedge funds / private equity for people coming from target ivy league schools

>>4946778
holy shit it's fucking lz
that kid is a legend i knew him since before anyone knew him
imagine running into an lzposter on random /vt/ thread

>>4948754
Or you can move to Vietnam/Eastern Europe

>>4948754
if you live modestly, you can retire on a million in the states. might want to pick up some hours if you feel like raising kids though

you're not gonna be able to afford a place in downtown San Fagcisco or anything though so sorry if that's included in your definition of retrirement

>>4948754
you forgot to take out the 65% cut youtube and cover take before taxes you fag

>>4949075
That's was exactly the point, she isn't making millions because after the taxes and paying Cover she is making 6 figures, but I wouldn't be surprised if I make more than she does except my career is still here while she hasn't even lasted 2 years.

You know who else makes that kind of fast easy money? Strippers and whores

>>4941046
Rushia and Coco have better cuts from Cover than this. Youtube also takes less cuts from Hololive. If you have dealt with monetized platforms, then you would know that those cuts can be reduced if you bring big number. Shit like paypal, stripe, etc charges 3%, but if you bring good traffics, you will be charged less.

>>4946543
Merch is usually a pretty huge chunk of income in these kinds of industries.

>>4949473
There's also the standard salary that they pay.

>>4939488
She has only gotten about $2.2m in SS, and probably $250k in Members, and $100k in merch. Probably a fair bit in sponsor deals as well.
30% YT cut, then 50% off of that again to Cover. Then like 30% in taxes.
She's probably sitting on around $80-110k after all is said and done.
It's nothing to live on, so she'll have to look for a job ASAP or move back to the US with her mom. Or she'll be homeless in a year.

>>4949906
I'll just assume you're trolling

>>4950051
Thought we all were.

>>4949906
You say and there are holos from nippon with times less than Coco, are they piss poor or what?

>>4950094
They are all living in a collective basement. Think Indian call centers, but with Vtubers. Living on the floor, shitting in buckets.

>>4950051
most threads have been filled with retarded bullshit to spread disinfo because it’s fun to make fun of new people stupid enough to believe anything

>>4950117
They have PCs so it's not that bad

>>4948754
Supacha is not their only source of income. There are also membership, concerts and merch which alone is likely bigger than SC. Then you have the upcoming graduation live that will cover her living expenses for a few years. Maybe some farewell goods too. Considering that the average Japanese wagie makes about 50k she can go for a long time at that living standard and if she moves to bumfuck inaka she is set for life. That being said, there is literally zero reason why she wouldn't continue to milk Coco gachikoi as kson.

>>4950140
This is also 4chan, so, gotta take anything with a kilo of salt.

>>4950117
>he still doesnt know most talent are decades old seiyuus

>>4950261
Damn, I thought they were all 9 years old.

>>4950191
yeah she's set for life for sure. Even if she didn't have enough from hololive to live on investment returns, they should at least be sufficient to supplement her income and she can do whatever the fuck she wants for work.

>>4940884
>Rich culture and identity
>Names a bunch of countries that are being niggerfied and islamified
60IQ

>>4939488
Probably not
And even if she was, she would still keep working because not working rots your brain

>>4940076
Stable is boring and is only for uber rich people. Go hard or go home. That's why it's men who usually are at the top, you need to gamble to get there and women don't like that shit

>>4950646
Coping wagie.

>>4950646
lmao ok mike rowe

>>4939488
If we take into account her roomates channel and hers, then merch (which iirc they get all of that), their salary (they still do have one) and memberships, she is making pretty good money, but I would hesitate to say she never has to work again. Even if we put her gross revenue at about 10 million excluding any cuts or taxes that still isnt THAT much for Japans standards if she lives in a big city like Tokyo. Of course Im not gonna sit here and give an accounting lecture, but tl'dr no, she more than likely does not have enough to quit working forever.

>>4951219
>>4950782
You're rotting right now, neet

>>4951242
Googled wages in japan once, apparently anyone making 20million+ yen per year is considered rich

>>4946543
Apparently they provide the money for the merch production themselves (cover takes it out of their superchats), so its likely they get a bigger portion of the profits than they would superchats.

Think this was confirmed via lamy?

>>4951316 that is 182,292.98 United States Dollar which I guess could be considered rich? Depending on where you live of course. In my neck of the wood 6 figs is basically living like Trump

>>4951365
Well I think this worked under the assumption it was a stable job, which vtubing certainly isn't but you get the idea
But 200k year is great no matter where you are, you just have to not spend like a movie star's wife and invest a significant portion into good shit like stable cryptos or aristocratic dividends

>>4939770
>Apparently she owns the block of apartments she lives in with Kanata now.
Where the hell did you hear this, and timestamp?

>>4951257
cope

>>4939906
Arent there a graduated nijigirl that come back after 6 months and no one make fuss about it? I think Coco can follow her step once all that money has been blown off feeding her milk tanks

>>4940464
so what are they doing? JAV or Gravure? I need rrats on those two

>>4947459
>Westerners may have flocked to her because she speaks English, entertaining and the most vulgar hololive but let's not get carried away.

No, you don't understand. She convinced them to start an EN branch. She was the one who convinced them it would even make any money.

>>4940076
>omparative studies on gender and investment have shown women to be more conservative, stable investors: more pragmatic, higher median returns than men
NO, I learn psychology as my major (dont ask why) and all my textbook mentions that women consoom more than men even the one that is written by a woman and is Pozzed as shit (the science of psychology 4th ed). where the fuck you got your study from? even by observation you can see that most ads are targeted towards women.

>>4943507
>you think pajeets get jobs at google because of connections
it was because of diversity quota anon. Pajeets that works on my office are all dumb as shit that we frequently need to hire white technician to fix up their mess.

>>4940412
fuck you sexist bigot! its only like 60% now since onlyfans exists

>>4939488
Even then, Japs are chronic workaholic. She will still work.

>>4941191
>only Chad has no data
Based

just wait for her own company she hinted it in her last stream

suddenly she start to sing fly me to the moon and the last line is jupiter and mars.

>>4939488
Yes, obviously
IIRC Coco said in a member's only stream she bought long-term call options on $GME early January. I heard she was a long term DOGE holder too.

>>4939798
it looks inexpensive due to japanese currency being weaker against top currencies but they add up with all the services.
travelling for a holiday to japan sounds cheaper with USD or sterling but actually living there with a job as I have done, the experience is completely different and the wallet starts hurting.

>>4941587
>living around niggers
his fault

>>4939923
If anything, what you said reminds me of my university teachers. One of them said he cashed in his salary every six months to pretend he made a decent earning there. Most of them had actual jobs and just teached to guide students (and to poach the good ones).

>>4947459
She was *literally* the person who lobbied for Cover to enter the English market.

>>4939777
Are we sure Kiara as actually a hapa? I think she just uses a fuck ton of photoshop and nip makeup.

>>4952445
They're walking the streets in the red light district.

>>4939488
I think people genuinely underestimate how much money hololive tubers make. Seriously underestimate it.

why would a twenty-something year old throw away all their potential to live like a frugalcuck?

>>4944616
talent is a form of privilege

>>4940326
Can you compete?

>>4943727
that's based though?

>>4960672
niggers tongue my anus

>>4939837
dual citizenship in japan is not allowed but, in practice, they don't care as long as you don't bring it up. there was politician who had dual citizen for years and years and only gave it up as a political act. they very rarely enforce it.

Friendly reminder that her channel as Kson has 460k subs(+250k after announcement), and after retirement she will be close to 700k once she starts streaming more often and she will win about $30k for every single stream. She is good.

>>4939597
>Japan does not consider streaming as a Job
Because it isn't.
I nornally hate the bugs, but they have the right idea in this regard.

>>4949906
Even conservatively, if 5000 people buy $200 in merch that's still a million in revenue. Of course a lot less than that hits their bank account, but I'm sure a final round of merch would get Coco a nice financial cushion.

Merch seriously is the best way to support them, especially voice packs.

>>4950459
Iceland actually practices eugenics

>>4939597
Based

>>4940910
10%? yea, that's fucking hilarious. try 30% minimum.

>>4962744
Anything that makes money is a job. This is where "jobs are what make you a contributor to society" logic breaks down. A vampire financial worker who is high status and respected by the government and pandered to by media spends all their time wrecking actual productive sectors of the economy and taking all the resulting profit and sending it offshore, while low-status proles who actually make the country run and not dissolve into chaos are demonized and hated.
By any standard of logic, streamers are at least as valid a field of work as scumbags like stock traders, and realistically, way more positive a field since at least they have an earnest demand and loyalty from their audience who pay to see them do their thing.

Reminder that she literally said herself on memonly that money is not a problem for her anymore, this whole thread is to practice counting taxes

If she isn't she got a good way closer to it today

>>4962894
Yeah, value is subjective, we all know it

>>4962894
Honestly this, I rather have a society of streamers and twitch thots than even a few of the people who caused the 2008 crash.
But
That said, the advantages of a 'real job' is also security. Security is what really separates 'real jobs' from transient ones. Things like health care, unemployment, retirement, these are things that people actually mean when they say 'real job'. And yes, I'm fully aware many 'real jobs' don't have these things either.

>>4951257
>wagie
>also namefag
s-sugoi

>>4939644
Iirc she bought that bed specifically because tatsunokos basically paid for it in a single stream.

>>4939742
Retarded boomer wisdom. Floor sleeping or a cheap futon is patrician minimalism. Even if you have back problems and need a mattress, dropping $9000 on one is fucking stupid.

>>4944616
Sheer hard work and talent makes you the biggest crab in the bucket

>>4962732
and she have a third account where she actually sings and play chill games.

she didn't make enough from vtubing to retire, however, she did just cash out with her doge coins. the amount she made from that allowed her to quit and do whatever she wants. say whatever you want about her being reddit meme dragon, but those meme coins literally made her a millionaire.

>>4943591
>no overworking and lot of work from home.
t. loser
The happiest people I know love their jobs. The idea of “overworking” is as foreign to them as the idea of too much sex.
Every work-from-home fag is deeply unfulfilled and compensates by getting into weightlifting or day trading. If they compensate at all. Some just watch Chinese girls pretend to be cartoon characters all day.

>>4939488
She probably does have "fuck you" money since she is leaving a profitable job.

>>4970493
Kiryu Cocoin when?

Armchair financial planner:

Coco's lifetime total SC earnings according to latest playboard data: $2,284,812. Given what we roughly know about Youtube and Cover cuts, let's assume a third of that went to her: $761,604.
(disclaimer: this is of course just the public side of things, there are additional sources of income we don't know, like memberships, sponsorships, merch deals, etc., which could increase that number, even dramatically depending on how big they were, but let's just work with what we have and take this as a lowball estimate).
Now let's account for japanese and/or US taxes, again the details are not known but lets just assume a rough 20% rate for an idea, which leaves $609,283. Now lets consider that she already used some of that money for her normal living expenses and day to day consumption. How much? Again, unknowable, but assuming she didn't blow it all on extravagant high-life shit and lived a relatively frugal or at most middle-class life, she maybe already spent $50k to $150k during the 1,5 years of her Hololive career. Let's make it the middle number and say $100k, which leaves us with $509,283. Now for the fun part, assume she ~invests sensibly~ that remaining nest egg, so no /biz/memes but just a classic "boring" financial mix of diversified stocks and bonds, and assume a 4% "safe withdrawal rate", she'd have a perpetual passive annual income of $20,371 from that (of course, there's also taxes to be deducted from that, so make that around $16k if you assume the same rough 20% tax rate estimate). Now, while that's nothing to sneeze at and is certainly a nice supplemental income, it's still not "never have to work again"-level money, if you tried to live off that alone, it's barely above total poverty line and not even really lower-middle class level income, so she'd probably still have to do something else on the side or as a main job. Of course, again, we don't really know how much money she also made through membership/sponsorship/merch/etc., which could bump up those numbers significantly, even up to doubling it, which would get her closer to "can actually afford to retire and live off capital gains forever" into reaching middle-class income levels. Not comfortable "you can do everything you want" level, you still have to be frugal with your money, but at least you wouldn't necessarily be forced to go back into just any old minwage shitjob.

>>4940439
holy shit that was comical

>>4939488
Even is she was sitting around on your ass everyday is a depressing existence. I don't think she has enough to fuck around doing fun shit everyday.

Imagine if Coco used her brains and bought >$100k of crypto starting in 2019, the bottom of the market...
Probably not though.

>>4940765
Your forgetting one small little factor.
How would the Soviet Union fair if they were fighting a two front war?
They didn't have one of the strongest Navies blasting their asses from the east because of America keeping the Japanese Empire busy.

>>4939488
Here she's talking how much she paid for her 2020 income tax.
https://youtu.be/uKaLfSvVDmA
>8 figures yen

Here is a Japanese income tax.
https://www.nta.go.jp/taxes/shiraberu/shinkoku/tebiki/2013/taxanswer/shotoku/2260.htm
>40% after basic deduction of 2796000 yen for top earners

2020 Income before tax: range of 27796000 yen to 252795998 yen

>>4939488
>limited cut of SC
>taxes
>living in Japan

Boomersson-chama

>>4962732
Coco knows she has alternatives. She doesn't need Cover anymore and can easily open a Twitch channel too. Her fanbase won't leave her if she comes back in some form.

>>4970958
She has 2 profitable jobs so leaving one won't absolutely kill her finances

She has room-mate channel..........so at least she has fall-back once she leaves Hololive next month