/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>you're my friends
>i don't hang out with friends
Translator-san...

>>49392042
This is why Pekora is the queen of vtubers and Fauna has become a shitter. I will never understand why western roasties are unable to comprehend why people watch them.

>>49392042
Western Vtubers were a mistake. They'll never match up to Jp Hikkis.

>>49392138
Will you consider Irys a westerner?

>>49392254
Yes

>>49392442
You are wrong then.

>>49392084
I think she means irl friends

>>49392105
They don't get what it's like to be lonely. It's why they throw words like friendless and incel as an insult.

>>49392590
Ironic that so many of them also preach about MUH MENTAL HEALTH

>>49392254
You think Irys would call her viewers friends?

>>49392254
does she treat her viewers as her friends?

>>49392498
IRyS is a westerner anon she was raised in america. That's as western as it gets. You don't just lose your cultural upbringing cause you moved someplace else as an adult

>>49392042
Being friends with Fauna means going through everything together with her, highs and lows. That's why she believes she shouldn't be friends with her fans: she loves them so much that she doesn't want them to see her lows. That's just how seriously (and autistically) she takes friendship.
Everyone else just treats it exactly the same way as the "friends" you made in school who never even called you or sent you a message as soon as you graduated or lost contact any other way.

>>49392590
>>49392649
Ok friendless incels lol

>>49392678
>>49392700
Well surprise surprise, she doesn't really much have friends irl. She barely goes out of her house and anytime she goes outside not related to Hololive related work, she is mostly by herself eating and tasting food

>>49392590
>They don't get what it's like to be lonely.
They do, they just have experienced such weak versions of it that they can't comprehend it happening for really long periods. Hence why so many of them completely broke down from having to be indoors for a year during COVID but everyone here was like "a year? That's fucking nothing, try a decade and we'll talk"

I don't know if it's a western specific thing as there are fleshtubers I watch and used to watch that consider their community their friends and even said as much.

This "parasocialism bad" wave is a relatively new thing and I don't know where the fuck it comes from

>>49392042
Saplings and nousagi coexist on /#/

>>49392797
>Everyone else blah
You never watched Jp. You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>49392678
Yes

>>49392851
Unironically a reaction to the vtuber boom

>>49392858
I accept your constipation.

>>49392784
In fairness I'm pretty sure IRyS is from Hawaii which really is not like the rest of America.

>>49392851
https://youtu.be/GvYAVti8nbk

>>49392851
No idea. There's a dude I've watched for almost a decade who has a fairly small community (less than 100 views a stream on average) but it's also really tight-knit as a result. And he mostly just talks about Star Trek.

>>49392915
NTA but I’ve been unironically constipated for almost 3 weeks now how do I make it go away faster

>>49392042
>numbers rabbit

>>49392797
> she won't confide in her viewers about her worries
doesn't seem like she treats us as friends then...

>>49392877
Maybe, but it's so fucking strange.

There was one fleshtuber that I watched that did treat his community like friends, then I watched a stream from him last year and he just outright said "I don't know any of you and the vast majority of you, I don't even remember your names" and people were praising him for it.

The difference between Western and Japanese Vtubing is probably the difference in streamer culture.
Western Twitchildren are always talking about their income, sex friends, and bragging about how cool they are.
Japanese streamers, on the other hand, are always focused on entertaining the audience, and they are always trying to have fun interacting with the audience.

>>49392963
u think I'm gonna watch this? lol

>>49392963
Ugh. Of course it's from some literal who with yet another "essay" video. Save that shit for your college , I don't need to see it on the internet.

>>49393100
Just showing you what started it

>>49393036
Uh that's literally what she said. She wants to be a pure and perfect idol for her fans, which means not showing any weaknesses or uncouth moment, and that's why she said she shouldn't become friends with them as Fauna and her saplings. Yes it's kind of autistic but it makes sense if you're capable of thinking.

>>49392841
Pretty much. I don't think statements like Kroniis are so much malicious as they are simply ignorant.

>>49392851
Parasocialism can be bad but like with most things retards flip out about context is king.
Actually thinking a streamer is your friend or a streamer thinking anyone in their community is their friend is fucking stupid. You have never even spoken to eachother nor should you ever.
But it is perfectly fine to be friendly with your chat/streamer and like them as if they were a friend, even though they are not

>>49392915
And i accept your ignorance. It's okay, you can keep watching ungrateful women.

>>49392042
Rushia used to get threads like this all the time too.
No one is invincible.

>>49392851
Imagine thinking parasocialism good lol

>>49393023
Sit on the toilet and visit the worst thread on /vt/ on your phone, then start shitposting. Your body will confuse shitposting with postshitting and you'll take a massive dump, be careful

>>49393023
Eat a lot of fibre and drink a lot of water

>>49392105
Cold chicken or green whore. Both are tough choices.

>>49393082
Yeah. Some Japanese streamers talk about relationship and experiences as well, but it's always presented in either a funny way or just a very generic superficial manner.
On the western side it feels like it's either pure bragging or going extremely tmi to the point of it not even being funny, just uncomfortable. I do think this boils down to overall cultural differences. Not just streaming, but everything in general.

>>49393082
Japanese vtubers treat their avatars as characters, western vtubers treat their avatars as direct extensions of themselves.

>>49393197
Never give any money or speak in defence for any chuuba you watch then because guess that is, buddy boy?

>>49392042
>You'll never find a streamer as great as me
ah there it is

>>49393150
>She wants to be a pure and perfect
Good luck lol

>>49393224
Pekora says peko off stream too.
I don't get why "they're just lying" is a plus to you.

>>49392851
It comes from women and streamers like pokimane.

>>49393238
*guess what

>>49392042
Reminder these are the shoes Pekora is wearing in that outfit

>>49393267
>pokimane
it's really hilarious how much this girl virtue signals about "muh women in gaming/streaming" when she got popular for bending over in front of the camera and being hardstuck diamond in league of legends. great representation of the average e-whore

>>49393082
Western streamers and influences are "idols" in that they're expected to exemplify an ideal, it just happens the west is incredibly materialistic and so the ideal they exemplify is being rich with lots of cars, big house, hot girlfriend, etc. They exist for the plebs to live vicariously through them.

>>49392841
>>49393164
In fairness, if you aren't someone who can just talk to people online all day, being inside for a year would be hell.
The only reason we don't go insane is because we have virtual interaction to make up for our lack of irl interactions. If we didn't have this (and by this I mean the internet, not /vt/ or even just 4chan), most of us probably would've just killed ourselves years ago if we're being completely honest.

>>49393265
They'll maintain kayfabe no matter what, westerners don't have that self-control

No, I find Pekora obnoxious and annoying. I'd rather groom a 2view who was more in my taste than accept some used whore that everyone is pining for.

>>49393342
Caring is not kayfabe

You don't even know Japanese.

>>49393238
I only donate out of appreciation of entertaining content, not because of mental illness

>>49392042
She's not even technically wrong at all. Her hanging out with the audience is not much different than people hanging out together in a discord doing shit together. The format is just different and instead of knowing people by name she has one friend composed of a whole audience, a collective. Streamers and vtubers that make a big deal about MUH BOUNDARIES are pseud-wannabe faggots and are actual small brain retards pretending to be deep and mature.

>>49393418
>He didn't do his reps

>>49393338
No I'm pretty sure if we didn't have the internet we would've just been forced to become normalfags on some level.

>>49393082
The Japanese audience understand that they are otaku, friendless and socially awkward, and the streamers never deny or affirm this.
Western audiences refuse to admit that they are losers, so streamers never quit boasting about being winners.

The problem is the audience, not the streamers.

>>49393509
I see a flood of "Heh yeah...friends" every time a streamer mentions them. The issue is that the streamer thinks their audience is being ironic.

Reminder.

>>49393509
dumbest shit I've read in a while good job

>>49392042
maybe it's a cultural thing but i don't like when words like friend are used cheaply. a friend has to be someone i know irl, who i can contact with no notice who would drop everything to help me (and i them) if it was truly needed. personally i'll be friendly with anyone but i'd feel insulted more than anything if someone called me friend when they don't even know my name

>>49393471
Congratulations.
You're parasocial.

If she can't call the people she works with friends, then I'm not her friend either. She's closer to them than she is to me, and therefore not trustworthy.

>>49393471
>he gives money to strangers on the internet for sitting down and playing video games

>>49393649
You're right, being friendly and likeing a person is not the same as being their friend.
I like lots of streamers but they are not my friends, some of them even know my name and like me but I am not their friend

>>49393509
I don't know how you can say that and entirely miss the point of WHY people in the west don't admit to being losers, and it's because it's a resignation that it won't change. It is defeatism, the idea that you deserve to be where you are and can never be better.
Japan by contrast is far more defeatist (shikata ga nai), there's much more emphasis on accepting your place in society.

Why is it so important to have friends?
What do you lose if the streamers on the internet don't acknowledge their inherent friendship with you?
Are you afraid of being alone?
If you are, then why aren't you trying to do something about it and relying on convenient tools to do so?
The anonymous commenters on this messageboard are closer to being friends with you than someone who is faced with hundreds or thousands of people who don't mean anything to them. And yet we're not friends.

>>49393864
>What do you lose if the streamers on the internet don't acknowledge their inherent friendship with you?
Nothing. But they lose me and my money.

Shit like this is why even with regular streamers, I watch people who don't take shit too seriously like Joel. They're jsut there to have fun with dumb bullshit and chat is simply along for the ride.

>>49393668
>>49393712
KEKS

MORE
LIKE
SIMPLINGS

>>49393904
I don't think friendship is something that has any monetary value, so saying that only proves the point really.

>>49393992
>He gives money to people who aren't his friends
Simp

>>49394155
I'm trying to say that money shouldn't have any bearing on whether someone is your friend or not.
Conversely I'd deny a friend's request for money depending on the circumstances too, and I wouldn't give them money just because they're my friend.
I would have hoped the concept wouldn't be too hard for you to understand, anon.

>>49393904
it's always interesting to see people say 'well you'll never get my money again' as if it's some kind of mic drop statement, to my knowledge none of the holos have ever begged or demanded superchats or memberships, in fact they say that you shouldn't donate if you can't afford to and to spend your money on yourself first

>>49393165
Well, a lot of them do that. Whether knowingly or unknowingly, they feel like a friend to them and they are important to them.
They should never be your be all and end all but the streamer has a special place in people's heart and I'd like to believe it's vice versa.

Hell, even streamers nowadays remember people's names and even play games with those viewers or even chat with them in discords. I feel that bridge has been crossed nowadays. I'm not saying everyone has be like that but if a streamer looked at the vast majority of their audience as just another number, I wouldn't have an interest in watching them.

>>49393712
I wanna impregnate her while licking her armpits

>>49394234
saying you wouldn't help out a friend is a pretty shitty thing to do and the reason you don't have any

>>49393697
This. Pekora broke the immersion by saying that. JP whore or EN whore, they're both the same flavor of shit.

>>49394251
Thats a fair opinion and I think you're right that sometimes that bridge can be crossed

>>49394422
I will say though, there are definitely moments where that should never be crossed.
see eiEN, see Finana, etc

Pekora wanting to be friends with human garbage like me makes me think less of her as a person. She should have some fucking standards.

>>49393023
>3 weeks
Go to the doctor. Unless you've been starving for all that time, you have an enormous log in your colon that won't go out easily anymore.

>every single argument in favor of what Fauna said gets completely ignored or disregarded
Man those 1%ers really are desperate for a real holo yab to deflect huh

>>49394636
NTA but there's no point. They'll just prescribe you laxatives that you can just get from an OTC pharmacy. Unless he's shitting out super dark or black blood, he'll live

>>49393864
not friend my ass, bro, these anonymous bastards would constantly shit on every aspect of your life and you would do the same, laughing like a fucking retard all the while. just like a close friend. fuck, now that i think abt it, this is so sad...holy shit

>>49392042
>Friendzoned

>>49394934
The real friends were the faggots we shitposted at along the way

>>49392042
Western vtuber
>Make sure you live your own life, streamers are not a substitute for real friends
Japanese vtuber
>I'm your friend, watch the ads on my stream and send me money

>>49395165
Saplings before
>uuuuuu mommy I wuv you so much pwease read my superchat

Saplings now
>Uhm ackcually it's important to be a healthy normalfag, Fauna is just being reasonable telling us to cut our creepy weird shit out

Movin dem goalposts like a pro

>>49395235
Hey man she said she wasn't my friend, and I accept that, but she's still my mother and she's missing on mother's day, uuuuuuu

>shitposter is STILL going on about Fauna

>>49395235
mommyfags arent saplings in the same way people who post smug watames or watamelons arent watamates

>>49395165
Come on anon, if you had friends you wouldn't be into streamers in the first place, and if you still have some you're in the process of losing them as well.
Also, stop getting baited by 1% deflection threads.

>>49395290
>Denial
>Bargaining (You are here)
>Anger
>Depression
>Acceptance

>>49395358
>>49395296

>>49395358
I'll bargain alright. I won't accept anything less than a nursing handjob.

>>49394251
....they make money off you man. I can't pretend any of this can be real when money is involved.

>>49395514
I'm not saying this is the same thing but if money is what makes it not real, then a lot of relationships are not real. A LOT of things revolve around money.
It's also not a requirement to watch a streamer. It's literally optional.

https://clips.twitch.tv/BigYawningWasabiUncleNox-xn2vXokwuqMJVjK1

>>49394244
It's mainly because that's all it amounts to for their personal life. Say something you don't agree with? Take your money and move on.
The chuuba remains with the audience that she deserves, and you can find someone else you like to watch and donate to.

>>49394346
t. leech who guilt-trip people into giving him money and favors

>>49395763
still dont believe thats an ai, its just another zentreya

>>49395763
>https://clips.twitch.tv/BigYawningWasabiUncleNox-xn2vXokwuqMJVjK1
V2 fucking sucks

>>49392042
>You're all my friends!
You = friends.
I don't hang out with friends (you), but I hang out with you (friends).
LOGIC???

>>49396224
Now this is autism

>>49396224
IRL friends you unripe mango

>>49393214
>Cold chicken
Old news. It's warm chicken now anon, stop living in the past.

>>49395763
And that's supposed to prove something?

>>49395862
If anything, it proves that average chatbot is no dumber that average streamer roastie.

>>49396224
There are many different kinds of friends, my friend

I love Fauna and the fact that she can be honest is part of her appeal.
Pekora is lying, it's obvious she's lying, she knows it, and I know it. Maybe someone else can ignore it and pretend she's not lying, I don't have a problem with it. Go for it, enjoy a vtuber like her.
But I find it insulting. I see a kayfabe act different from a straight faced lie.
Fauna putting a fake voice and a fake personality is cute, it's part of the escapism. But Pekora trying to convince her fans they're her "friend" is a lie and delusional.

>>49397322
No. Friend is a person who will stand for you in a fight. Everybody else is just an acquaintance.

>>49397359
Pegora has a boyfriend whom she fucks using her simps' condom money. That's all.

>>49397445
I don't care.

>>49397359
Ogey cuckling. Didn't read your garbage post.

>>49397445
If you mention the bf of a specific girl you get a ban. I'll let you know which girl I'm talking about, cuckling
Tip1: that's not Pekora's imaginary bf.
Tip2: she was mentioned ITT.

>>49395165
Western vtubers
>barely watch anime. And if they do, it's just dumb dubbed anime for women
>can't sing since there is no karaoke culture. Becoming a voice actor or a singer is not really a viable career path for them to pursue
>become vtubers because it is lucrative, specially for those who lack assets to become an e-thot or only fans "model"
>acting cute feels forced. Heavily influenced by twitch culture, where everything has to be liked ironically in order to look cool and not appear lame
>treat the avatar as an extension of themselves
>stream to have fun themselves, the audience is there to entertain the streamer
>don't know their own audience and play armchair psychologist. They ridicule parasocial relationships

Japanese vtubers
>watch anime since it is part of their culture
>can sing decently since going to the karaoke is also part of their culture. Some of them even aimed to become seiyuus or idols
>become vtubers because it synergizes with their desire to hide their faces on social media
>acting cute feels natural since it is considered attractive
>act like voice actors for the character they are playing, they know the character belongs not only to them, but to their fanbase
>stream to entertain their audience
>know their audience, know about idol culture and cabaret culture. Won't break the illusion

Of course there are exceptions everywhere and this is not absolute, but western vtubers just don't treat vtubing in the same way as their japanese counterparts

Idiots actually spend hours hanging out with someone and then says they're not friends. You know the streamers better than your own family.

>>49397359
>JP>EN
The damage control from EN fans is always amazing, See gura for details.

Did Oshi no Ko teach you nothing?

>>49397604
I could stalk some bitch and we wouldn't be friends despite me throwing hours into stalking her. Time doesn't mean shit.

>>49397604
That's not reciprocate, it's one way. You know about the girls, but they don't know jack shit about you.

>>49397556
Pathetic attempt to deflect from pegora's duplicity, cope harder cuck.

>>49397584
So would you agree that deep down the Japanese vtubers aren't really your friends either, and it's not even about being friends, it's just that the Japanese ones are better because they won't tell you they're not to your face and will lie about it if asked.

>>49397445
yeah, me

>>49397727
Cope cuckling

>>49397869
Go back to twitch where you belong reddit.

>>49397611
I don't disagree that JP>EN, in fact I'd add many more >>>>>>
>>49397584
Very true, applies to most EN vtubers.

However Fauna is different, she's closer to a JP vtuber in general, she just chose to be honest in this case.
I'd take that over a poor attempt to lie any day.

>>49397445
>he didn't nakadashi her 4 times in a row and gave her 9800 yen for morning pills.
ngmi

>>49397655
Friends does not have to mean you hang out with them at their house. It means you are friendly to each other and basically on the same team. But you are too autistic to recognize that.

The bond between a chat and streamer doesn't fit her definition of 'friend'. At no point did she say "I don't give a shit about you", or deny the fact the bond exists, she just said that she doesn't think that the relationship between a streamer and the faceless mob counts as a friendship, because it doesn't.

>>49392042
I never thought that drunk Pekora chatting with her fans would be weaponized in this shithole. On the JP side the things that got attention were her family stories like her walking around the house in underwear, that time her mother got mad at her for letting a sales person push her into buying something she didn't wanted, gyaru like holomembers and how cute she was after getting drunk. But in here is all about shitting on ENs.

>>49397946
Are they on the same team as you anon? Do you know if your oshi would endorse you personally?

>>49397932
>However Fauna is different
She looks down on her viewer as a paypig stranger. She has no appreciation of her fans at all.

>>49397999
You don't need that to be friends with someone you autistic retard, many of my friends disagree with things I like or opinions I have. Having a friend is not a hugbox.

>>49398023
That's a lie.
Under no real, truthful, meaningful or practical standard is a vtuber "friend" with the members of her chat.
She can say they are like friends, but that is still not a literal statement.
It would simply imply some aspects of friendship: She cares about their well being, she has fun with them. But friendship is a personal experience, people who she doesn't know personally cannot be her friends.
Perhaps there's no ideal word for this yet, but friend certainly isn't it.
Fauna was just autistic and didn't call that relationship "friendship" because it isn't.
She's still very thankful for her audience and cares about them.

>>49398057
But you would agree that they're aware of your position on things and can agree to look past any disagreements for the greater sake of your friendship, yes? My point is, does Fauna, Pekora or any other holo member care about you personally, relate with your personal plight and can still say at the end of the day that you, anon, you specifically are their friend? Like I said before. You may know them, but do they know you?

>>49398057
Are any of your friends a chatbox full of thousands of people spamming emotes and random bullshit?

>>49392042
I do not want any of the greenigs becoming nousagis. They can remain in the filth that is EN.

>>49397781
A receptionist is required to attend everyone with politeness, even if deep down they don't like a certain person

>>49398144
Are you seriously suggesting you can't be friends with more than a handful of people? This fucking retard man, I honestly marvel at the thought of any of you being functional humans.

>>49397932
>However Fauna is different, she's closer to a JP vtuber in general, she just chose to be honest in this case.
That's her problem, she half assed it. She chose to be a JP like vtuber and attracted an audience that wanted that experience but in English

>>49397781
Ah good, we're going down the "tatamae and honne" route now. (The thing that exists in nearly EVERY culture)

>>49397617
People dropped it after the first episode

>>49398304
So if someone says they're your friend just to be polite even if they don't mean it, are they really your friend?

It's all the same schizo threads every day I am loving in Groundhog Day someone please help me break the loop

>>49392105
Duh obviously to be lectured about how escapism isn't healthy, or am I the only one who likes the illusion to be broken by my anime oshi?

>>49397617
I don't know. Did you? If you did, you'd know it's not "idol culture bad"

>>49397617
Don't fuck 11 year olds?

>>49392797
Nice head canon

>>49397999
>Are they on the same team as you anon?
Are you saying the relationship of a fan and creator is just a negative parasitic thing? You appreciate them and they appreciate you, you're friendly to eachother, you're allies. In that context its not that outrageous to say you are friends in that moment. But of course if you are a socially awkward loser then the term friend becomes a really personal issue. Pekora wins this match, cuckling.

>>49398452
Do they appreciate you as a collective, or you in particular personally?

>>49398269
I can agree that she went for a JP-like approach but ended up deviating on this bit, but is that really a problem?
None of the negative reaction towards her seems to actually come from her fans or even other Hololive fans, it's mostly HoloEN anti sentiment co-opting backlash against her with a few schizos that actually thought the streamer was their friend.
When Kronii did her bit for instance she actually was an asshole and hurt many of her real fans and shit on the HoloEN audience, the drop in numbers was huge and it has remained.
But with Fauna nothing happened besides some shitposting here which is inherently inconsequential and a couple of schizo donos.

>>49397946
>Thinks they are friends with a streamer
>Calling someone else autistic

>>49398452
And for the record I'm not saying belonging to a fandom is a bad thing, I'm just saying being part of a fandom isn't a friendship. They're not your friend, and if you don't want to accept that you don't have to, but they're not your friend.

>>49398452
Anon, in this moment we are not allied, yet I'll disappear and become part of the audience watching a vtuber who is your "friend". Which also means we're friends by your definition, but we're not on the same team right now, which means we aren't friends.

You should be able to solve this.

>>49396944
Only delusional simping nousagi can take humiliating insult from Pekora, and claim the chicken is warm because Pekora said so.

>>49398344
If you're a kid watching Dora the explorer, would you consider her your friend?
She considers you her friend, and has said as much many times.
What would the reaction of such a kid be if Dora suddenly stopped the program and talked at length about how the kid shouldn't get attached to her and how she's not really his friend?
Naturally the kid would cry.
> kids haven't grown up
Do you look back fondly upon your memories of watching some childhood cartoon or anime that you liked?
There will be at least some things that you used to watch that more "modern" audiences shit on it, and even if you understand that there were flaws with it, you would have enjoyed it at the time and hence have a good memory of it.

And it's not like there isn't any adult entertainment that's not similar.
Do you see Late Night Show hosts pausing their show to tell their audience that they're not your friend?
Do you see movie actors stop in the middle of the movie and explain to the audience that none of this shit is real?
Do you see musicians and bands telling you that they're not your friend?

None of them do, because the relationship is always KNOWN to be one-sided. The audience knows it, the entertainer also knows it.
There's no reason to bring it up other than her own vainglory at wanting others to know an opinion of hers that's been common knowledge since the fucking 60's.
It took off the "mask" of an entertainer and truly revealed what she was at her core.

It's only natural that some people did not like what they saw.
And naturally, once the mask is removed, you cannot just put it back and continue the play as if nothing happened.

>>49398569
You're not a Vtuber. We are not friends, I don't care about you. Pekora is my friend. Pekora wins, stay cucked, cuckling

>>49398609
You're coping with the fact that you're oshi doesn't care about her fans too hard.

>>49398649
That's pretty mean anon, I'm Pekora's friend by your definition, you're insulting a friend of your friend.

>>49398250
You're missing the point. While larger streamers might be able to pick out a handful of names and can go "hey I recognize those ones!", for the most part, their chat is just a stream of noise. It's not (usually) a BAD noise, and they appreciate the fact the noise exists, but it's still just a noise, and nobody in their right mind would claim that the noise is your friend and mean it.

Tbh I think there's some nuance on this topic. Like some streamers go for the chat is chat and I am the entertainer and that is the business relationship we have, others may be like some GFE streamers. She seems to be one that gives the GFE moments but tries not to lead on because she knows chat isn't just one entity but all the people and maybe not everyone would actually like her in person but like her as a streamer? idk

In the end, it all comes down to a difference in expectations.
EN fans just don't want to watch "anime girls" that are streaming.
They want to watch streamers with avatars.
Demand will naturally generate supply.

>>49393165
The word friends can be used loosely
You can be "friends" with someone even if you don't know much about them
Online gaming friends and online friends are a thing
>>49393471
>The pot calling the kettle black
You have no obligation to give money to them
You are spending your precious time to watch them and you could have use that time to do something productive
On top of that, your views indirectly help the streamers already
Frankly speaking, why would you care so much even if they are not doing well?
You could always get another entertainment contents from others
Why go out of your way to donate to stranger online?

Fuck Fauna, hope she flops and graduates. Fucking ungrateful bitch. I actually believed she was different, that she was one of the good ones.

But enough about this shit, what do you think about this hot yab?

>>49398643
All those mediums aren't interactive, the people stopping what they are doing would be doing a one sided act.
They don't have an active chat next to them with real people interacting with them.
Dora is 100% fake, Fauna as a vtuber straddles the line between a real person acting on her own will and a character fabricating an ideal experience for the audience.

>>49392590
This. If the people throwing "incel" at every guy they don't like were put in their place they would feel really sorry. But it's impossible. It's like explaining music to a deaf person from birth. They will never fully understand unless they 'hear' themselves.

>>49397445
Eddie...

>>49393214
cold chicken is a bad rrat. but retards like you believe in anything from this board.

>>49398837
I will never forget that hag when she lied about her not farting on stream
https://imgur.io/qgLNzh9

>>49398722
And nousagis aren't supposed to be friend to one another lore wise, cuckling.

>>49398837
What if his Mom is dead?

>>49398609
Only a delusional schizo can cope this much and be this mentally ill.

>>49399028
That's pretty rude anon, you'd choose lore over our friendship, do I mean that little to you?

>>49394544
she wasnt talking about you.

>>49393023
stop eating garbage (processed food) or at least reduce your levels of it

>>49398876
>They don't have an active chat next to them with real people interacting with them.

Yeah they instead have thousands of live people in the audience who appreciates what they do.

>>49398955
She did leave nousagis' chickens turning cold, but then she streamed next Christmas and jokes about the cold chicken.
Ta1yo rrat is dead either way since he literally streamed his wedding.

Obviously Fauna and saplings can't be friend or else Eddy will feel cucked

>>49399178
Yes but they are an invisible hypothetical observer.
They know they are out there somewhere but it's not something they can see or interact with.
Unless a crazy member of the audience jumped on stage and told the host "Dude you are my friend!" there's no reason for the host to stop and say hold up buddy we aren't friends.

>>49399144
Kill yourself cuckling, it's starting to get a bit too obvious.

>>49392042
No one comes close to her as a vtuber

>>49399240
I'm just trying to have a good time with my buddy pal. Like this anon said. >>49394934

>>49397946
You've described acquaintances.

>>49394738
>Argument

>>49399262
We're not friends.

>>49398386
>or am I the only one who likes the illusion to be broken by my anime oshi
yeah only you

>>49399438
I'm surprised you can say such a heartless thing to another person like that.

>>49399217
I want to become him so bad...

>>49392042
she's my friend whether she likes it or not

BTW Now that Fauna has """"""""betrayed""""""""" /vt/ or whatever, Zolki the fanartschizo has started spamming her tags on twitter on how she has """"""stolen"""""" his """"""fanart"""""" just like Iofi and Mori has been for the past three years so I'm pretty sure he's at least one of the schizos that keep timelooping this shit on the catalog. Until the next major holo """""""yab""""""""" he's also from the Philipines according to his profile lol

>>49393245
if the shoe fits

I'd believe it if it came from Korone, I'm skeptical about it coming from Pekora.

>>49399607
SEA schizos are next level shit. They're worse than normal schizos because their actions have no reason or logic it's just insanity so they can just latch on to something and never let go.

>>49399607
https://twitter.com/HairahYiu
https://twitter.com/GarasiaMatilda
idk who you're talking about, but I've seen these two schizos posting in fauna's tag

>>49392042
confirmed nousagi killed PekoMiko

>>49398978
imagine the aroma

Im sure there are levels to friendships and that something like a acquantance is just someone you know, calling someone your friend just for simply being friendly can qualify as such. People call pets their friends even family, they dont necessarily have to have similiar interests, be receptive of it, or even return it but just being on friendly terms is good enough for some and means alot to the few.

>>49399723
Korone is a doggo so just being on friendly terms is enough to be considered friends.
Pekoras just meek and autistic.

In the end, Faunas definition of friend is different because of the levels to them and is the same way of thinking as people who cant do long distance relationships and those who could.4vbjpv

>>49399777
Yes, those of one of his bazillion alts he has made.

>>49398649
>Pekora is my friend
Good luck with that after she graduates

>>49399723
Nobody says it out loud, but Fubuki's "friend" deflection is the most dishonest one. Because it's a sad way to placate people who are romantically interested in her.

>>49400058
Most friendships drift apart at some point, only a few of them are forever.

>>49398837
You sneaky bastard

>>49400113
Funny thing about that is that on her member streams she acts very lovingly towards sukonbu. She's like a different person in member streams compared to her public ones. Which just makes it even more dishonest.

>>49399723
>Holo group as a recording: Guys im going to be late/going to skip today because I'm having dinner with the girls
>Pekora as a recording Guys I'm done recording im going home right now!
Is what killed her vocal cords though

>>49395869
V1 CHADS?

>>49394234
By any chance, are you Jewish?

My friend is Jerma

>>49400419
same
Ballfondler is that you?

>>49398250
You literally can't. Your psyche has a hard cap about 40, and I'm being very generous here.
It's all because you mistake acquaintances for friends being a westoid programmed zombie.

>>49392042
>I dont hang out with friends
THEN WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU DO THE ENTIRE DAY WHEN YOU ARE NOT STREAMING?! Fucking bitch thinks I am dumb

>>49392105
SPBP
I just wanted to watch CGDCT in a language I understand.
At least there are some of those now from other corpos and indies but it's different when it's hololive.

>>49400489
>>49400419
18+ board

>>49400576
But CGDCT where there are guys is awful, and her being friends with thousands of men is kind of offputting.

>>49395165
Japanese people understand the crippling epidemic of loneliness in their society and vtubing is a direct means to cope with that, even if it means forming fake friendships.
Westerners are generally selfish people who cannot into empathy, and instead focus on looking morally correct in very self righteous ways. For example Fauna going "I'm not your friend you should get real friends. Aren't I so enlightened and caring humu humu" while completely missing the fact that the majority of people watch her (vtubers in general) because they are unable to make friends irl for various reasons.

>>49400637
Gotta respect one of the original vtubers.

>>49393338
I live around an area where I would feel like killing myself if I had to interact ONLY with them personally, its fine for surface level interactions but finding someone somewhat sentient around here to talk about the topics that interest me would make feel actually lonely
I would feel like no one like me exists in the world and thats what true loneliness is IMO, to feel like no one gets it besides you.

>>49400651
Okay retard kun

Pekora will never be my friend until she frees my nigga Jill

My friend.

>>49392138
But anon, you would've never known about vtubers if it weren't for western vtubers

>>49400262
The "friend" thing was Fubuki basically gatekeeping her foreign audience and preventing them from sperging out, since she occasionally does outside collabs and homo collabs.
She's always been GFE towards the dedicated Sukonbu, but only if you understand her.
Thankfully that shit is mengen and leaks can be striked, so EOPs are blissfully unaware.

>>49401535
> EOP tourist thinks his experience is universal
I've been here since the /jp/ times kid.
The only thanks I'll give to EN VTubers is giving me more motivation to do my JP reps.

>>49393826
>Admit being a loser = resignation
>Saying that you are a loser is defeatism
Are you retarded? You can't change without being honest with yourself. Fucking ironic weebs, i swear.

>>49401535
Lurk for half a year before posting

>>49397781
Why are westerners so obsessed with "true" intentions? You are aware of the fact that when you die there will be no high score, right? You don't get an extra modifier for "not deluding yourself".

>>49400563
Because you are dumb

>>49401535
>But anon, you would've never known about vtubers if it weren't for western vtubers
That...That's a joke right?

>>49400113
The friend thing is for the EOPs that kept sending her "can you be my wife" SC shit

>>49400563
fucking with me, her husband.

>>49401535
Here's the first chuuba pic I saved
It's appropriate for how retarded you are anon

>>49399232
> Unless a crazy member of the audience jumped on stage and told the host "Dude you are my friend!" there's no reason for the host to stop and say hold up buddy we aren't friends.
Comments aren't "jumping on the stage" either, what comments you pick to highlight and read is ENTIRELY up to the streamer.
Fauna could have ignored this entire conversation by just thanking the guy and moving on, but no she WANTED to say her piece.
She basically stopped her stream to lecture at her audience, which 40 years of entertainers have AVOIDED doing, because both they and the audience know that suspension of disbelief is what makes entertainment work, and anything threatening that is a strict no-no.

>>49401535
Pekora was everywhere before EN even was a thing retard!
Cope more!

>>49401535
Really?

>>49392042
I do find it funny how we went from "Well JPs feel the same" but you show them this screenshot, and people go "WELL PEKORA WAS ALWAYS A BITCH" or they default to "1% DEFLECTION"

Saplings. Just accept she said something stupid.

>>49392851
>This "parasocialism bad" wave is a relatively new thing and I don't know where the fuck it comes from
Literally, it's a Twitch thing

>>49393023
Get your fingers up there. If it's still too deep you'll just have to keep waiting. There will be blood.

>>49402836
Add this to the already long list of reasons why twitch is a fucking cesspit

>>49400262
I act differently to my parents, my friends and my co-workers because it's different levels of closeness
Paying members are usually more interested in the actual personality of the Vtuber, so they can be more "honest" in pay gated streams.

>>49401783
>>49401979
>>49402182
>>49402249
>>49402406
>B-But N-No, you're wrong!
Called out
>>49402480
>Look at me I downloaded an image off of google, so I'm correct
Poor, stupid anon

>>49393992
Why would i keep throwing money at a monkey that stopped dancing?

>>49404023
>>Look at me I downloaded an image off of google, so I'm correct
Keep seething, redditscum

Everyone says "but do they know you personally" brother I am the entire chat, they know me because they interact with chat

>>49401535
Hardcore VT fans have been here since the oyabun and the 4 heavenly king days

>>49404233
Look at you, spending half your wage on a girl on a screen, and you call me redditscum? Keep talking catalogfag

>>49404404
So, nobody on /vt/?

>>49404483
>wage
That's a sub, retarded reddittroon

>>49404609
Yeah, you dumb Mexifag. Have you learned nothing from your low income redditard?

>>49404756
What's wrong with you ENsharts?

>>49404800
You should know, you studied English just to be here

>>49404529
Speak for yourself, newfag

>>49404023

>>49404972
you're talking about some /jp/ tourist shit, most of this board hasn't even touched any other boards

>>49392042
Kronii and fauna could never....

>>49405084
so what you're saying is you took the bait?

>>49404023
kek classic retarded EOP crying after getting btfo
seethe more faggot, your western whores were never welcome in this hobby

>>49405146
touristchama...

>>49405350
anon...
>>49405179

>>49405484
>every calls you out for being stupid
>"heh, i was only PRETENDING to be stupid"

Why did fauna do it? Was it because of the
Recent off collab with kronni? Kronii mentioned that they had a heart to heart conversation in her stream a while back.

>>49405545
aww, now you're coping

>>49405146
Imagine /vt/ being your first 4chan board

>>49405934
Yeah, heh... c-couldn't be me...
I've been getting a drip feed of /jp/ and /a/ from my best friend for nearly a decade at least

>>49392851
It comes from entitled streamers and their white knights. The streamer believes that they are entitled to money and attention without providing anything in return. That the money they get is because people like them and they are so great, because they provide a service that people find some value in. When the quality of that service is diminished or withheld, and the audience complains, the streamer thinks it's because the audience no longer likes the streamer which is an attack on their ego. The streamer takes this personally and then projects that insecurity and entitlement on the audience and accuses the audience of being over-invested in the streamer's personal life. It's a type of mental illness on the part of the streamer.

>>49392851
>parasocialism bad
That depends on what exactly it means, or specifically what you expect from a streamer.

The main issue is the illusion of your relationship with oshi progressing (in your mind), when she doesn't even know about your existence.

I have no hope (and interactions) with streamers. I just like learning about different people and guessing their live story.

>>49405618
https://youtu.be/WzyQbfh4t_8

>>49406441
Did Lockdown seriously fuck people up so badly mentally that they just feel the need to tell people this nowadays?

>>49406441
The comments on that are funny; even when the friendship is denied, it is only further reinforced in a negative form. It's literally pointless to do this "clarification", it helps no one. People will still view the streamer as friend-like, and there is no escape because that is what streaming is: like hanging out. Consciously denouncing what you are doing has no power over the facts.

>>49393499
This. Idk why you need to go to that extreme. You would find some way to cope, ending it all is having no ways to cope.

>>49407937
If only it was that easy...

>>49407649
That's another reason why "the talk" is always stupid
It's really only a message for the bottom 1% deranged schizos, but those schizos are also so far off the deep end they aren't gonna change just because of a little speech. It just alienates people that like the feeling of hanging out with the streamer but aren't totally schizo about it.

If her breaking the character was that damning for you then you do have a problem. I can understand if you didn't like it and just complained once and moved on but you guys are seething hardcore

>>49406715
Dude Covid as a whole destroyed people's minds. Both old and young. Those babies that had to wear masks will always have issues both physical and mental

>>49408426
It's not easy for everyone I agree.

>>49392042
It really is the simplest thing, and it's actually more honest and real than any sort of condescending talk

>>49409310
Basically what you're saying is being Koyori's human dildo is the answer?

I'm in

>>49405934
Literally me, alongside /gif/!

>>49409196
It seriously changed the world and not for the better.
People feel much more robotic and cold, plus zoomers have absolutely lost their minds compared to pre-covid.

>>49402480
How do you do this? I want to know when to exactly I subbed to Kaguya Luna. I know it's before the 1st of January 2018 but I can't remember when.

>>49397584
>don't know their own audience and play armchair psychologist. They ridicule parasocial relationships
This one makes a major difference. When JPs set the boundaries, they make the effort to be reasonable about it and it's clear that they're thinking about the viewer as well. IIRC, the way Marine phrased it is that she wishes for her viewers to find happiness through themselves in a way that isn't reliant on another person's existence. A hobby for example. Making a streamer your reason to live is an incredibly fragile thing. Who knows how long they'll be around, 2-3 more years maybe?
When ENs approach this topic, they just sound like they're the hot girl in class who doesn't want the creepy nerds anywhere near them.

>>49409867
>How do you do this? I want to know when to exactly I subbed to Kaguya Luna. I know it's before the 1st of January 2018 but I can't remember when.
https://myactivity.google.com/product/youtube/interactions?hl=es&utm_source=my-activity

>>49397781
Look anon.
Everyone knows this is a game of pretend.
But guess what? That's the whole fucking point. And no one fucking likes the asshole who goes HURR YOU'RE JUST PLAYING PRETEND NOTHING EXISTS DURR when everyone's playing pretend.
Remember how when you were a kid and played superheroes and wizards and stuff with your friends swinging sticks pretending they were excaliburs and throwing paperballs pretending they were fireballs but then some little prick came and told you to stop being retarded and that none of that playing pretend was real?
It's the same principle.

>>49392851
Parasocialism is only bad when the streamer hates their viewers and tries to scam them and fleece them of all their money like a sociopath
It's like saying being free to spend your money on anything is bad because a small minority of people get tricked into buying some bad things

Being parasymbiotic with your vtuber who actually likes you and you like them back is a whole lot better than killing yourself completely alone and miserable.
But normies dont know what its like to feel like this over pixels on a screen

>>49409737
This is the way.

>>49392817
>she doesn't really much have friends irl.
>he lacks critical information
I feel sorry for you IRyStocrat. I guess sometimes its better to not know anything at all.

>>49410294
I watched this video >>49392963 and it was interesting hearing streamers talk about their supposed "problems" with "parasocial" viewers.

One dude had a guy who donated a bunch of money... and then started to private DM him asking to hang out and shit.
Instead of shutting that shit down, he just felt "uncomfortable" because he was getting a lot of money so he didn't want to tell him off
> Unable to set his own boundaries, blamed chat as a whole for it.

One small-time streamer girl who wore a Twitch shirt outside and got some comments asking whether she was "one of those types of streamers".
> Insulted by one person, blamed the entire twitch ecosystem for it

One bald guy also focused on streaming too much and lost touch with his family and irl friends.
The first guy also chimed in, saying his grandma died and he regretted not doing as much as he could because of him focusing on the job.
> lack of self control, blamed twitch algo and for it

Same guy also talked about how he hated his audience getting invested in his personal life.
> earned a lot of money livestreaming his "ideal" life living and streaming games with his gf, blamed the audience when the relationship started going sour and the audience just popcorned the fuck out of it

These people are just absolute wrecks that can't handle ANY sort of stress or confrontation in their life, and obviously never EVER blame themselves for anything or do soul searching about their own decisions, lives etc.
They indeed do not see their audience as anything else other than ATMs, a way for them to make money, and a convenient scapegoat to blame for their own failings due to their amalgamous nature..

Meanwhile the only relatively "normal" guy there is a disembodied voice who doesn't show himself on stream or appear in irl cons or anything, always keeps his anonymity and "escapes" into the real world if he ever feels stressed from streaming.

Is it any wonder that VTubing has grown in popularity?

>>49411346
It's not surprising at all.
Fleshtubers especially start to see themselves as celebrities and adopt celebrity culture in the west and any problems they have cannot possible be their own fault and so they dont take any accountability.
Being anonymous helps a lot with this issue because it grounds you. People dont recognize you in the street almost ever and start begging for autographs and such so you would feel a lot more "normal" and not some famous weirdo that fucks themselves on drugs and frivolous purchases that waste their entire millionaire fund

>>49406441
As if it wasn't already obvious that women don't have a single original thought or opinion in their head and just believe whatever is currently popular.

>>49392105
Fauna is doing everything she can to be Anti-Fallenshadow, it's very embarrassing

>>49392851
A lot of twitter freaks made it an issue so now all fucking streamers have to talk about it
Asmongold had the best take
>when I turn the stream on I am not myself, I am some sort of cartoon character and nothing at all personally affects me

>>49411346
>>49411656
Seen this way too many times. Far too many people within their own bubble thinking that they're far bigger than they actually are. When in reality, they are and always will be a literal who.

>>49413275
Kind of curious what her opinion is on all this. I mean I know what she'd say on the topic itself but would she say anything about Fauna? Aren't they friends?

>>49393197
retard

>>49395165
god, saplings are quickly becoming the worst fucking fanbase, thanks a lot fauna

>>49401535
lol, lmao

>>49413583
>saplings
Saplings became more parasocial afterward

>>49413547
Shondo had gotten a lot of twitter flak over the last few months so she's been trying to stay out of controversies

>>49410176
Thanks.

>>49392590
is not not getting what being lonely is like, everyone experiences it depression is the most common thing now,it is the fact a lot of you fags don't try to do anything about it and are genuinely awful human beings that justify it on how the world treats you rather than even consider the fact that maybe, just maybe if you were a better person things could be different

>>49414036
>creating fantasies to cope
Just accept that EN needs to do their idol reps

>>49414036
No anon that's not correct.
They tried to be decent people but the world kept beating them down over and over so they gave up on being decent people so they get hurt less.
They didn't just think one day the world owes them everything. They tried and it fucked them. That's why they are bitter. And most aren't hyper attractive so they don't win at life for free because their looks carry them.

>>49414215
sorry dude i don't even watch EN

>>49414371
Exactly.

>>49398978
Would you say she... Gaslighted them?

>>49413275
>made an asmr channel to get close to her, actual parasocialism
fauna is a funny white girl

>>49414469
is not because of the idol thing, i am not a tribal fag, i watch norio,niji,774,holopro and most recently vspo i just don't really like the majority of holoEN EIEN and idolEN

>>49392042
You're a fucking idiot, and I pity you.

>>49414695
kimoi

>>49392042
goddamn this reads like brainwashing

>>49392042
There's escapism and then there's being straight up lied to and happily eating it up lmao.

>>49392042
okay, this one ie just actually evil

Come home saplings

https://youtube.com/shorts/WmnfcGyBXgg

>>49393649
the word is far more heavy for the japanese, which makes that statement just, really manipulative, no other way to spin it. ending it with ''you won't find someone better'' is wild. i remember pekora from her past life and the shit she pulled but i genuinely thought she managed to become a better person after hololive, guess that just wasn't the case

>>49415015
Saplings aren't cuck enough to pay for the condom of another man.

>>49415305
>he doesn't know
Lmao

https://youtu.be/YrDHxPhk0HA

>>49415305
I can only hope you're being ironic

Right?

>>49415181
>which makes that statement just, really manipulative
Is this where we've reached now? She said something nice, therefore, she's lying?

>>49415181
> tfw I've been on /vt/ long enough to identify individual schizos' posting patterns and figure out exactly which thread their got their half-assed information from when they post on the catalog

>>49393165
>Parasocialism can be bad but like with most things retards flip out about context is king.
There is no context in which parasocialism is anything but bad.

>>49415711
Me w/marineschizo
Didn't know Pekora had one around here too

>>49415723
Heartless or dumb as fuck?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssXw_JUytkc

>>49415769
Pekosmikochizo is from /#/
I forgot what set him off though, probably beating one of his oshis for gold or sm shit

>>49415834
Oh wow what an emotional moment where the streamer got approx $70 richer! Idiot.

>>49416001
You have no idea what parasocial means, anon.

Just admit you're wrong or keep giving me (You)s and prove you're dumb as fuck.

The whole thing is a drinking stream where both the streamer and the fans talk whike drinking alcohol and it went like this
>Chat: You are always streaming don't you hang out with the other girls?
>Pekora no why?
>You don't have friends...
>Morhefuckers be grateful that I am with you here every day
>Chat: Kusa we are joking
>Pekora I know
Then we have OP using it for bait and trash like this >>49414771 calling it manipulation. I guess mods have something against Fauna because if this was about Gura the thread would be gone in seconds

>>49416627
Link is literally here of what she said anon, what's the point in twisting the context?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s_Bucn6yIA