/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Part of the appeal of VTubing is the anonymity. You can be whoever you want to be without the issues that come with giving more of your identity out (appearance, name, etc). You’re essentially playing a character (though with less of a distinction than other mediums). Breaking the character is seen as taboo (similar to professional wrestling, the term is “keyfabe” I believe), and if previous identities were leaked it could be bad PR (if you’re a family friendly clean creator and your past work was super raunchy and offensive for example) and if the identity has anything to do with you IRL, it could lead to harassment in the real world.

There's a few talents in Hololive I've been following since way before and yeah the way it's super secret just makes some people way more likely to legit doxx them, not just watch their old videos because they know who the talent is. In some cases, like Calli or Gura, they were so big before it's kinda hard to not wink wink nudge nudge about it.

>>493385
>if the identity has anything to do with you IRL, it could lead to harassment in the real world.
I feel like this is the single biggest point, mainly specifically because japanese stalkers can more readily find and reach their targets, and there seems to be a greater amount of otakus going full creeper than american celebrities, for example.
That said, if a person came into vtubing with one of their biggest reasons being "I never wanted to show my face", it's definitely fucked up. One of the more disturbing roommate things I've seen was a chuuba who had a public event (that wasn't them being the "star" i.e. giving a performance or something) where they got filmed. Like, that chuuba wasn't trying to be a performer, and that video was an intrusion into what was just them being in public, not like them intentionally trying to be the center of the video's attention.

>>493166
The appeal of Vtubing in general is that the character you see before you can be viewed as a separate person in a way. It's a way of content creation that allows you to don a 'mask' that for a lot of people takes away a lot of burdens that their real identity would bring with them. (things like appearance, age or previous works)
Meaning that if you talk about any previous identities (IRL or past CC names. this is what we refer to here as "roommates") it takes away from the Vtuber.

>>493385
Part of the appeal of Vtubing was doing idol-like work... until Western trash came into the scene, now it's a mixed bag of SJW, lightweight feminism and vaginacentric idle talk. Since those cunts pretty much exploded the genre completely, we might as well talk about their past lives honestly.

>>493166
to prevent doxing
You saw what happened to Aloe.

>>494302
>Since those cunts pretty much exploded the genre completely
Actually living rent free

>>494380
I don't doubt that. They're making quite a fortune out of Twitch simps.

>>494420
If the existence of a few ewhores has utterly ruined the concept of vtubing for you, then I have no idea how you keep at any hobby for long.

>>494302
what the fuck are you actually on about you gay little cunt

>>494441
His hobby is bitching anon. Bitching online. Particularly on tawainese paper plane newsgroups.

>>494441
My only real hobbies are racism and misogyny. Don't see any ethots ruining that anytime soon.

>>494441
They're the ones that did it, PogChamp. Go complain to your bitch queen.

>>494470
Go back to your channel and suck more money out of those losers, cunt.

>Why is talking about previous works/life of vtubers so shunned?
But it's not? Marine herself is a good example of this. She's talks all the time about how she was prison gay while in high school, tried to be a mangaka and couldn't hack it, how she was slaving away as a lonely OL for a black company before she became a Holo, etc. Yes, she never comes out and says her old NND name, but that's probably just because she doesn't really want to and not because she has anything she wants to hide. Some of the others are even more open than Marine about it. Noel has accidentally called herself Danchou before at her other job, and Pekora's old identity is literally in her corporate profile.

>>493166
It's just a standard set by Kizuna Ai and the OGs. The VTuber is to be treated as its own entity separate from the talent behind the screen. The Vtuber concept borrows a lot from both idol culture (kayfabe and parasociality) and Japanese Internet anonymity norms (it's more common in Japan for content creators to either be wearing masks / not show their face in their videos).

When you combine these aspects together, you get a content creator that's free from a lot of the normal negative stuff that Western content creators face and they can focus more on doing what they wanna do.

>>493607
>calli
she was a nobody

>>494551
I think the OP and most people here meant that revealing information about chuubas, rather than chuubas revealing information about themselves, is shunned upon, though prefessionalism means what you mention are exceptions, not the rule. Calli and Ina talked about their past life too.
>>493730
>>494167
>>494611
These posts nail it. >We're being entertained by staged personalities, whereas the IRL people may or may not behave very differently, for the reasons already mentioned. I do not think it is fundamentally different from how streamers or western youtubers feel about their roles as entertainers, it's just emphasized much more. That said, I really want to think about the vtubers as the characters they are meant to portray, and not the dirty laundry attached to them.

4chan has gone soft, it's supposed to be the place where you can talk about the shit that will get you shunned from non-anon places. If there's anywhere it should be ok to talk about Vtubers behind the scenes it should be here.

>>494751
That would just invite in losers who hate vtubers and try to doxx them for fun. There's enough of that already.

>>493730
>I feel like this is the single biggest point, mainly specifically because japanese stalkers can more readily find and reach their targets, and there seems to be a greater amount of otakus going full creeper than american celebrities
This is the biggest reason. Vtubers/Idols don't want to be or have to think about being stabbed by some greasy otaku for doing something at some point that they didn't agree with personally.

>>493607
who was gura before?

>>494795
So what /jp/ was then?

>>494830
Do your google reps.

>>494817
Remember that time when a dude burned down kyoani studios because he thought they stole some idea from him? Didn't even tell the alright ones to stay home the day before.

>>494751
There's already a place for that. It's called lolcow.
The only problem is that it's full of seething hamplanet femanons that are bitter at everyone and everything, but I'm guessing you aren't too far off from that description anyway.

>>494856
No. Do the reps and get banned for my benefit.

>>494929
There are also plenty of discords and eren jaeger on youtube posting videos of vtubers before hololive.

>>494795
>That would just invite in losers who hate vtubers and try to doxx them for fun
Yes, and? What's wrong with that?

>>494817
But they can take their money all they want?

>>494948
If you want to be spoonfed so badly anon you should put on the diaper at least.

>>494970
>hmm, this guy superchatted me 20000 yen once, I think I'll let him rape and kill me

>>493166
Stop trying to slyly bring dox to this board you sneaky faggot, and go back to /jp/

>>495017
That's what we call high risk, high gain. That's how the world works for everyone.

>>495031
Fuck off and die, rulecuck.

>>494751
Not just that, but doxx works as a comeback machine. You can't just make money hiding your true identity without repercussions. Like just steal all the money by lying to thousands of losers then just disappear?

>>495117
Sounds like their problem, not the performer's. Pissbabies being bad with their money doesn't give them the right to ruin someone's life.

>>495191
Blaming the victim much? When a woman is raped I guess it's her fault for being too sexy, right?

>>495223
That's what you'd like, eh?

>>495223
>Dipshit nerd giving money to someone on their own volition being compared to someone being raped
You and your logic are fucked, I hope you sort yourself out at some point faggot.

>>493166
Part of being of fan of vtubers is the autism where you have to literally pretend that the characters are real and you aren't allowed to talk about the person behind the character. This is a long standing tradition that goes back to the ancient times of when vtubers were established like 3 years ago.

>>495265
All women need to be raped. They've had it too good for too long.

>>495296
Based and vtuberpilled

>>495265
>on their own volition
That's a very bold statement. To which extent is it in their own volition, when we know it's company doing all sorts advertisement and abusing their memory of anime images and pander to well known solitary people that have enough money to spend and nobody else but themselves? Sounds like a marketing scheme to me.

>>494968
My chuuba could get sad and management would have to make her step down and i'd feel sad and i don't want to be sad, nor do i want my chuuba to feel sad because mean people with too much free time want to make her feel sad

>>494830
Dude its easier than ever to figure it out. Theres several youtube channels that dedicate themselves to exposing past accounts. There is one that posted a highschool video of one of the girls even.

>>495296
This, we need to start raping women straight out of the womb so that they know that men are in charge.

>>495296
Based on that standard ever person and living in a first world country deserves to be raped.

>>495328
>AAAAHHH THEY'RE FLASHING ANIME IMAGES INSIDE MY HEAD MUST SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMPPPP
bruh
if they could do that do you think they'd go through the trouble of recruiting former online showwomen?

>>493166
>Wtf is that Botan? Ew, unsubed
You tell me OP.

>>495328
Sounds like those people need to get a grip to me.

>>495363
You're getting baited ridiculously easily Anon

>>495359

>>495375
>AAAAHHH THEY'RE FLASHING ANIME IMAGES INSIDE MY HEAD MUST SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMPPPP
Fun fact, that's how most of the act. Interesting, no?

>>495347
Creepy weirdos

>>495031
Based, just go back retarded OP.

>>495347
Stop the spoon feeding. People like this are in actuality sly personal army faggots trying to get you to do the work for them. Let em rot.

>>495390
Yes, along with the women and the businessmen that exploits them. When they fuck up, of course.

>>495117
>Only I should be allowed to be anonymous

>>495417
He didn't link shit.

>>493166
Because you have unironic schizos calling themselves the dark knights who think they are going at war with "white knights" who they think are trying to "suppress the truth" when in reality everybody hates roommate posting because it always ends up with stupid drama that has nothing to do with anything, and people watch vtubers to get away from that.

>>495431
What did I do to you? Am I scamming you? Am I taking your money away? They could be.

>>495440
Even breadcrumbing like that is too far.

>>493166
Because vtuber fans in the west are faggots who think that no one knows who they are when most of those girls have been known for years.

>>495453
Yes because I'm totally being scammed by people providing no good or service but conducting livestreams on youtube with anime avatars you fucking retard. Fuck off back to the dramatica forums.

This thread needs nuked

>>494751
The 4chan you're thinking of was a product of a time when the internet wasn't serious business. Nobody was making their living by having an audience for playing video games. Discussion about real people was only for the real freaks like Chris Chan. For better or for worse, part of what makes the concept of vtubers work is that the person on the other side of the screen is a puppetmaster, and the character you (are supposed to) care about is the avatar. What do you watch a puppet show for?

>>495538
>What do you watch a puppet show for?
So I can fantasize about those cute hands inside the puppet and much I want to feel them. I want to be the puppet.

>>495538
When I play vidya or watch anime and there's a particularly good voice actor I will google them and try to find more about that person and maybe find more of their works. Vtubers are an even more extreme example because as a viewer who doesn't know anything about it, you wouldn't think they're playing a role so you'll develop a parasocial relationship, which will make you even more interested in who's the person behind the puppet.

The only revenge mechanics allowed are rage fapping and anti-posting. Doxxing hurts the girls which, I believe, don't receive most of the donations for themselves. Clover keeps most of it. In any case, giving too much money for vtubers is stupidity.

>>495683
>I believe, don't receive most of the donations for themselves.
That's actually good. I could see how it would improve the content by them not constantly fishing for super chats but instead focus on making good content.

>>495651
This is a fair opinion. If everyone was like you, there wouldn't be a problem. The drive for secrecy really does come down to three things:
>protect the person's actual safety
>protect the marketing for the character
>protect the illusion of emotional attachment
Finding similar, quality content from someone you know is a quality creator is unfortunately a minority use case, but in those cases I don't think it's impossible to have a discussion.

>>495794
Clover wastes a shitton of money promoting and training them. Before Hololive, most of those girls were minor streamers on Nicovideo and somewhere else and never achieved anything big, with the exception of Gura which isn't Japanese.

>>495651
Vtubers as a marketing stunt is genius. Since the real identity of the person is protected, she works like truly like a virtual gf and this is a psychological bombshell. People that keep giving big donations are truly attached to those avatars and protect those characters with their fucking lives. E-thots are the same but with the difference that they're limited to beauty standards. Case in point, I have no idea what is going in the world anymore. This is all fucked up when we think about it.

>>495992
when the world becomes so shit escapism is better, fiction is more pleasing than reality, then you know things are fucked up IRL.

>>495992
>Case in point, I have no idea what is going in the world anymore

Honestly you're better off, "being informed" was a psyop

>>495992
I always like to think about it like this: A person who's irresponsible enough with their money as to send constant superchats or donations to a vtuber or streamer, is the kind of person who would've spent that money on useless shit anyways. Is it better if it goes to some company for whatever trash they provide to him or to an entertainer and their employer which enables many people to enjoy their content for free? Comes down to personal opinion I guess.

>>496086
Being informed just makes you sad. You realize how much shit is going wrong in the world and that it's all basically expected human behavior. If you don't have the mental fortitude, I can imagine it would be psychologically damaging to some people.

>>496158
I don't know, man. I know stupid people will usually get fucked, but there are so many psychological forces going on it's hard to tell who's at fault and to what extent. Like those gacha games, the moment you start rolling the dice it's like a devil takes over you and you just can't stop until you get what you want. All this shit is designed to remove your volition for a limited period of time.

>>496328
Gacha are a whole different level of evil. They have reward algorithms specialized to try and get as many pulls from as many people as possible. I hate how these became so normalized in Japan.