/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I lost that graph that mentions Mori's reference on super chat income but it was 7% completely net income.

>>49264086
So much effort for a shitpost
Nijiinterns sure are something

>>49264250

>>49264250
They need to cope with their merch percentage issues yes. Anyone who watches HoloEN knows what the branch needed was an EN3 over a year ago, maybe even an EN4 by now to keep momentum and to snatch up the good talent around. that's it, it was that fucking simple of a fix for anyone complaining about not enough streams.

>>49264288
Only Nijinigger save this kind of image so yeah you confirmed my point

>>49264358
>if you want Gura to stream more you are nijifag
Kill yourself.

>>49264399
Back to this loop again, Nijinigger sure are pathetic.

>>49264086
The fuck are you talking about nijinigger?

>>49264399
>I want to destroy everyone else's career in Hololive to make Gura either stream or quit.
Chumkeks can be this stupid but this still feels like a troll OP to me.

>>49264420
>if I keep repeating it maybe it will become true
Commit suicide.

>>49264440
>troll OP
How so? enlighten me.

>>49264451
Blah blah words, here's a (you), now go get that food stamp

>>49264288
Pretty much confirmed it nijiintern then

>>49264474
OP think getting 1% for merch will motivate his oshi to work like a cheap Chink whore.

>>49264483
>still trying
Slit your wrists.

>>49264474
>Destroy Cover's entire business model and their pro-worker policies to help the talent. Trust me fellow Holobro this is the way *rubs hands together*

>>49264451
>Commit suicide.
Niji might unironicly do it #cut4hex

>>49264529
No no no you got it all wrong it's
#Cutforhex

>>49264170
>Top 20 holos earn a million $ a year
Holy shit if the lower once also must be making good half of these girls are millioners bruh

>>49264170
>AAAIIIEEE Why are you paying them so much eee! You have to cut it down to 1% to make yourself look bad like us!!!

#cut4hex

>>49264198
>Mori's reference on super chat income but it was 7% completely net income
Not only was this after taxes, it was after paying taxes TWICE. Mori was being a retard and thinking she had to pay taxes to both the US and Japan because she's a citizen in one and working in the other. She didn't know they have a tax treaty. She has since been informed.

I realize you are probably trying to make a biased point here, but this one has been debunked hard and we already know that talents take home the same cut as Cover from a superchat: Half of what is left after Youtube's 30%; also known as 35%. The amount she pays in taxes depends on her tax bracket. The higher her overall income the more she's taxed. So if she's getting fucked on taxes it means she's getting paid that well. The only people to blame for that are the talents(for being popular enough to make that much money), and the government for needing to fund roads and shit. We should have had flying cars 20 years ago.

>>49264535
Nigger mentality, if they are bad everyone must be worse.

>>49264525
Holos take 2-4% from merch, I never said she should take 1%. They take 7% and more from super chats and it's totally net. Gura doesn't stream anymore because she can live off passive merch income, she was not lazy but she has become lazy because of retarded manchildren who can't stop buying stupid toys.

I'm sure the 5 minutes of dopamine boost you get from posting the photos of your merch on twitter was worth all the streams we didn't get. Your discord circlejerk now worships you as the top merch owner at least, I'm sure it was worth losing Gura's affection.

We aren't into vtubers for the vtubers but for the toys! right fellow true chumbuds? I swear to fucking god if I could slit the throats of every single one of you retarded idiots, you would be already bleeding on the ground.

>>49264644
Damn sis it is that time of the month ain't it.

>>49264635
You mean crab mentality, i was genuinely feel bad when nijijp was in pekora GBF collab and they sound like an abandoned person by their management and liver.

>>49264622
No, this is wrong. The 7% net was already free of taxes. Stop making shit up please or provide source. Youtube and Cover take 35% more or less, the remaining 20% is her part which is not net obviously. After taking the taxes out, what remains is 7% of the inital super chat amount, which is net.

>>49264714
>remaining 20%
I meant 30%.

>>49264714
>>49264644
>Here we can see Nijiintern in their natural habitat pulling number out of their ass, as their livelihood depend on it.

>>49264644
>right fellow true chumbuds?
Calm down sister, it just anime girl, also tell hex fan not to slit their hand and throat.

>>49264764
It's literally the second post you retarded inbred idiot: >>49264170
And you can ask /#/ to give you Mori's graph about net income. Kill yourself you useless piece of shit, make your mom happy.

Nijiniggers losing

>>49264785
Why so angry sis, just anime girls, their earning ain't affecting us do they, why bother seething here like a schizo

>>49264784
>it just anime girl
Thanks for confirming you were nothing more than the average discordfag. Commit suicide but unironically, make the world a better place with your little contribution to the increase of breathable oxygen.

>>49264833
>>49264785
>>49264644
I am honored to receive so much hate, feel like a celeb desu.

>>49264785
Wait, wait, so you be saying 4.4% of 151,713,650 is 2,525,920?

>>49264833
Seeth more sister

>>49264879
Nijinigger can't into math

Uh oh brace yourself, oh wait this is not /#/

>>49264879
Are you retarded? read the fucking graph. That's not what it says. 4.4% is before removing taxes, free of taxes amounts to 2,525,920. The net income is around 2%.

>>49264917
Are you serious? it's literally grade school math holy shit. This is the people that call you sister and niji top fucking kek literal illiterates.

Did the sisters itt #cut4hex? Where are the seeth?

>>49265008
Sis... please tell me you are pretending... please

>>49264086
>source: /#/
Lol

>>49265008
I know the 1% thing kind of mind broken you Nijinigger but I didn't mean literally

>>49265048
>/#/ doesn't count when it doesn't benefit my opinion
Cope.

>>49265068
>still trying
You made an absolute fool of yourself already. Just stop posting, save face.

>>49265008
then where you get 2-4% from if the top earner is just 1.6%?

>>49265008
This level of mental gymnastic to bend 40% to 2% is amazing

>>49264714
Youtube takes 30%. Coco said as much. If your country lets you watch her clips it's extremely easy check for yourself. Of the remainder, Cover keeps half and passes the other half to the talent. 35% of every dollar sent to them in a superchat. The talent is then required to pays taxes on only the portion they receive. Whatever their net is depends on how much they pay in taxes, which, as I said before, depends on their tax bracket and whether they are dumb enough to think they need to pay taxes to two separate governments. Mori failed the intelligence check, but you needn't worry. She already knows now and overpaid taxes are refundable.

>>49265122
Because it depends on the tax tier. The top is taxed more because they make more.
>>49265133
>still trying
I'm not sure if you're falseflagging as a retard or serious.

>>49265165
Amazing

>>49265165
Go on Nijiintern, next you will tell me how Niji 1% to the talent is the best practice in the industry

>>49265158
Yes? I don't see what you are trying to prove, you're pretty much confirming my point. Even if she gets taxed more because she earns more, there's no way that on the remaining 100-30-35=35% she doesn't make at least 7% net. I fail to understand why you're trying to go against my posts. Even if she gets taxed 80% (impossible but let's hypothesize) she still gets 7% net (35*0,8=28 and 35-28=7). At this point a 5% difference in youtube's percentage makes almost no difference.

>>49265008
So, 62% "tax" and 38% "net" income?

>>49265354
Please stop embarrassing yourself. It's not funny anymore.

>>49265298
3rd world Nijinigger can't earn enough to pay tax pls understand

>>49265298
You know what? I think we are arguing two different points. I was trying to say that she makes MORE than 7% and Mori is just a retard who fucked her numbers in a way that made it look worse than it is. Which is apparently also what you were arguing(?). Apologies for the crossed wires. Yes there is no tax bracket in Japan that goes anywhere close to 80%. It should be capping out at 45%.

>>49265391
no seriously, you saying they all taxed 62%?

>>49264086
Gura used to be my oshi. I still love her but I feel like my spite for her laziness outweighs my love of her personality now.
I'm almost forgetting what it's like to see her regularly now, she's like a fair weather friend with a drug addiction that pops in once in a while, says hey and then fucks off until next year
sigh
Goombus come home

>>49265414
roru yeah I've been trying to make people understand that holos do indeed make more from supas than they make from merch with the lowest net income being Mori's 7% and if what yo usay is correct and she actually fucked up with the taxes, it's obvious they make even more. I didn't know she fucked up, I just remember people talking about it a long time ago in /#/ and didn't really care to look into it any deeper.

I don't want people to stop supporting their oshi, I want them to use their brains and understand that spending on merch rather than super chat and membership hurts hololive, because it makes the girls unmotivated and lazy, even if the net from merch is lower they still make money without working as much as they used to, at least Gura does.

>>49265535
Actual schizophrenia
Seek help

>>49265560
>no arguments: the post

>>49265578
Go on

>>49264865
>I am honored to receive so much hate
Totally no mental illness there

>>49265535
Lol 2%

>>49265592
>gura is not lazy and unmotivated
>source? trust me bro I got 6th sense

>>49265628
Gura live so rent free in your head damn, but go on anon, tell me more

>>49264086
Don't blame merch for Gura being lazy. The JPs shill way more merch and it doesn't affect their streaming. Pekora is a giant hole in your theory

>>49265628
Write me a 1000 words essay about that, I would like to see

>>49265666
The mistake you are doing is comparing JP mentality to EN's. The JP girls have been around since before covid and they weren't handed success on a silver plate like EN who got lucky and their ego went off the charts. JP worked hard and they actually took a liking to their job.

>>49264336
Instead got something that barely anyone actually wanted and tried to force fans into just accepting it as a thing (this never works) and then did it again, at which point even the people who begrudgingly accepted the first thing went "wtf who was asking for this?"

>>49265731
>1000 words essay
You only need a little 5 letters word: facts.

>>49265773
Finally tired from seething so much sis? Go on I'm all ear

>>49265773
Yes and I have a number for you
1(%)

>>49265814
>didn't even look at op pic
>thinks his shitty opinion matters

>>49264086
This actually… makes sense?
I never thought about it before, but merch being the primary revenue stream for the girls would indeed create perverse incentives once they reach a certain level of popularity – why stream, interacting with icky otakus and taking on the risk of yabbing live, when you can just drastically reduce streaming hours, tell everyone that you are working on nebulous projects that never materialize and rake in the money?

This may be a Nijinigger deflection thread, but I’d agree with your point that girls getting more from SCs and memberships and less from merch would be a good thing for me as a viewer, as it all but guarantees more streams to watch.

>>49265863
Ah the sweet smell of Nijiseeth, too bad its not morning

>>49265666
Gura is lazy but that's not only because she is inherently lazy, the fact she can make money without working made her even lazier. She doesn't see her fans as anything more than ATM now, that's why after the chumbud "uprising" that happened last month she decided to go all out with members streams to keep people membered, though looks like she might actually skip this week's watchalong too, I guess there's no cure for her laziness anymore.

>Nijinigger seething and looping itt
A sight for the sore eye kek

It all started with that tranny Lily who suggested they made merch for the dino. A fucking TRANNY.

I'm convinced that the 1% posters are bots at this point

>>49266009
Thread about Gura
>Nijicope
Love to see it

>>49266009
Nah they're merch babbies who need to find a way to cope with the fact they are retards who never thought about the consequences of their brainless spending. Many such cases, especially in discord.

>>49265996
>it's tranny's fault Gura stopped streaming
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

>>49266044
The amount of seeth Nijinigger produce in this kind of thread can power a household kek

>>49266009
Maybe some troll using chatGPT to shitpost with the same keywords.

Go on Nijinigger
>still waiting for that essay, submit by 5 mkay

>>49266009
Wrong thread sis, NijiEN is 1(%) block down

>>49266009
>they're still doing it
yeah probably is

>>49266255
Outing yourself as a Nijinigger...
Bro don't do this to me, don't make it too easy

>>49264170
I'm not surprised by this.
Holomems are talents, not streamers.
And even if holomems choose to stream less, they will end up with fans that allowed their streaming schedule.
Look at ayame and shion, they're doing alright.
And if gura want to be like them, there's nothing wrong with that.

>>49266599
Now this is an anti post.

>>49265765
This is when many took the small corpo pill.

This is why Gura is unmotivated. It coincides with when she started acting strange in Rust, doing collabs without pov and the unannounced breaks.
I think Gura was literally the only one in EN who had integrity as a holo girl until Cover shot themselves in their foot with useless Tempiss when they should've announced hololive EN3 instead. One thing led to another and she became the lazy unmotivated bum she is now, living off passive income from merch surely won't make things better, things will only get worse.

>Earn money from fans
>Reinvest money into content for fans

>>49266599
>And if gura want to be like them, there's nothing wrong with that.
Their fans allowing that to happen is why it got normalized.

>>49267672
So? Again, holomems are talents, not streamers.
Ayame, shion and gura want specific fans and if you don't want to be part of their fans, move on to other holomems.

>>49266599
The sad part is that while I can understand someone streaming less because she's pursuing a different route (say suisei who's more of a vsinger) what are supposed to be people like ayame, shion and gura? If anything, they are vshillers. And aqua is also going that route, sadly.

>>49267631
I wish my japanese was good enough to allow me to watch Marine's streams instead of wasting time for this ungrateful american thot.

>>49267783
Aqua don't even have that Hologamer schtick anymore after Startend flops in the apex tourney and plenty of other Holos are as strong or stronger gamers than her.

>>49267925
She's retired at this point, sadly. She doesn't even participate in holo tourneys. She feels more like a special guest than a current active member, like the capeshit spiderman thing they did in the last movie where they invited old spiderman actors.

>>49264198
That was a fan made graph that got literally all of the numbers wrong.

>>49268513
>it's wrong but I'm not telling why it's wrong
Unless you are talking about this: >>49265414
Which only goes to show that they make a lot from supas but I assume you aren't here to agree with op so I imagine you have more to say. Feel free to articulate.

>>49267564
>things will only get worse
oh they will but different reasons.

I'm so glad Gura addressed her streaming situation in a short chat message that was deleted barely 5 minutes later and can now never be seen again.

>>49265535
>roru
2% is the Niji share, not the Holo share. I think you might have some wires still crossed in your brain anon.

>>49264827
NTA, but while I will love my oshi regardless, I'm happier and proud of my oshi when she is successful and makes it big.

>>49271231
Did she?

>>49264170
Never donate or buy talent merch. You can like and support them without donating to millionaires

>>49275094
It's not about "donating" but more about investing in the work you like and expect from them. Merch is useless, most of the income goes to the merch vendors who aren't part of hololive, while membership and supas support hololive directly.

>>49267778
What's their talent? Being lazy?

If you think about it, investing all your time into merch, ads, and sponsorships after passing a certain level of popularity makes you pretty much a chuuba that's too big to fail. No streaming = no yabs which could jeopardize the (safer) revenue stream. Why wouldn't they stream less at that point?

>>49276709
>Why wouldn't they stream less at that point?
Because they care about their fans and not just the money? you know like... most of jp?