/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Help me understand, am retard

>>49262917
Source

>>49262953
More than 50% of merch revenue went to the talents

>>49262953
>Top 20 talents
Basically, of the gross revenue, only 45.94% went to Cover, this includes the employee renumeration.

While the remainder, $82 million went to our idols minus platform fees and merch production cost
>complied by /#/

>>49262953
Tere are 20 millionaires on Hololive's roster righunow

>>49263139
>$82 million
HOLY SHITO...

>>49263139
>$82m minus this and that
think he worded it wrong. Going by that statement and pic would be $57m

>>49263764
>Even at the rank 40th of top profit Hololive Vtuber still earned 1 million usd yearly.

>>49263892
Not possible, the top 20 owns 60% of the revenue. So everyone else would be sharing the remaining 40%

>>49263139
GOOD LORD

>>49263188
So which ones? Mori, Peko, Marine, the usual suspects?

Damn shame all of them are submissive because they could actually buy anons as their playthings at this rate. Your hag could be your sugar mama.

>>49263932
This is only merch anon, there are also base salary, superchat, sponsor, compensation for company event etc..
So yeah they do eat good

Merc production cost 16%.
Cover's cut 46%
Talent's cut 38%

>>49263988
#1 is Susei, the rest are whoever's guesses

Remember when Kson said she thought 50% was a bad deal? LMAO.
It unironically cheers me up when I realize that Kson and Mike threw this all away. I fucked up my life but never that badly.

>>49264044
B-but I thought Nijipigs said that most of the cut goes to the production?

>>49262917
wait this is 2023? so thats 5 months of profit???

>>49264287
Obviously.

>>49264287
Ruru no. April 2022 to March 2023. Thats their fiscal year

>>49262917
>retarded corpo taxes

kek, how did they get away with this guys?

>>49264287
Fiscal year anon

>>49264079
Do you think the talents own the company or something?
how fucking stupid you are lmao

>>49262917
I come here to shitpost not to learn math

>>49264390
I think they can do that if it's make to order

>>49262953
It shows their fiscal year (April 1st 2022 - March 31st 2023) revenue. The table on the right shows top 20 biggest contributors. To put it simply, all JP girls and Myth are multimillionaires, and the only exceptions are most likely HoloID and MAYBE Council. Even the biggest "flops" that earn up to 500k USD a year are still swimming in money after being in Holo for a couple of years, and top talents like Suisei, Marine, Pekora, Gura, Aqua, Subaru and Miko are so loaded they could retire right now and never work again if they lived as upper middle class citizens (by JP standards).

>>49263188
At least

>>49264287
Financial years are named after the year they end in, so fy2023 covers the period from may 2022 to April 2023

Enough corpo dicksucking.
Now drop the comparisons and let the bloodsports start.

>>49264835
What's there to compare?

>>49264835
What kind of brainfarted person are you?
You cant even identify the difference of both parties?
Dude go back to school! Stop shitposting!

>>49264758
>so loaded they could retire right now
im so tired of winn- huh?

feel so proud to be able to watch millionaires singing and dancing for me.

>>49262917
>get jibbed by the most Jewish of managements
>not even allowed to do side gigs for your own personal income stream/for fun and essentially be a Nijislave
Why do people still audition to be Nijis?

>>49264835
>people happy that more then 20 girls are earning millions every year
>Corpo dicksuking
Hololive board seethe about it

>>49264758
Is there anyone who's actually surprised by this
Did anyone think they weren't rich

>>49265070
>rich entertainers never existed before Hololive

>>49265172
Gotta actually be worth something to get into Holo.

>>49265210
Holos don't flaunt their wealth. Well, the ENs anyway, except Mori. I don't know about the JPs because I'm not Japanese.

>>49262917
whatever
it's all about MINDSHARE these days
you don't know business

>>49262917
>>49262991
>>49263139
So this is why almost all of them still decide to stay even if they stream less.

>>49265269
Mori flaunts her wealth? How? Shes not exactly Ricegum

>>49265269
Jps too don't flaunt there wealth well they don't really talk about it on stream only lamy has really talked about "rich girl things" but she was already loaded before she got into hololive, and Noel also spends a lot for her asmr equipments but that's like the only spending she does.
En does act like poorfags though

>>49265269
What does Mori flaunt again?

>>49265269
RBC mentioned a few months back that she bought some land and is building a house
there is the stuff some JPs turn into streaming content like opening large amounts of card packs , whale amounts of gacha pulls or straight up horse betting
all the mentions of them upgrading their pcs could count as well.

>>49265330
Flaunt may be too harsh a word. She makes it very apparent she's rich as fuck.
>the only one that announced she bought a house
>randomly tweets about having flew for the 10th time that week :sad_face_emoji:

>>49265428
Nta but $1,000 hat, and 2 houses on two different continents.

>>49265428
Uhh flying back in forth in us and japan? Having two homes in japan and texas? Only poor fags think these reasons are flaunting her wealth kek.

>>49265445
She hasn't bought a house. She leased a house in America, and she rented another house in japan.

>>49262996
>More than 50% of merch revenue went to the talents

And this is why Gura does not stream. Those daki sales made her financially independent. lmao

>>49264048
Any actual evidence that Suisei is #1? I would have guessed her to be behind Pekora, Marine and Gura at least, and possibly Miko or Koyori.

>>49262917
holy shit even the 20th holo is still over $1M

>>49265551
It's not a priority for Cover itself. Otherwise Shion/Ayame/Choco/Mel, etc. wouldn't get away with the same behaviour.

>>49265597
I won't be surprised if the rest of the girls that aren't in the top 20 still earn as much as half a million or more.

>>49265551
>>49265607
Now to play the game of who messed up and blew all their money on a bad investment or spent it all.

>>49265646

>>49262917
What does anycolor's look like?

>>49265686
1%

>>49265676
She's indo I'm sure that even her is in the top 1%

>>49264423
Well....Sodachan do own 10% of company share for a reason.

>>49265551
Gura's pretty smart, When the dino gura sales skyrocketed, she stopped streaming more often, and when the sales is dropping she dropped a daki so she could continue to sit back and relax while the chumbuds are whaling on her merch as she earns 50%+ of the revenue from her merch.

>>49265467
anon, Fubuki spent more on gacha rolls on screen than Mori did on that lease and I'm not exaggerating

>>49265562
Leaked merch sales and public music sales indicate Suisei is a fucking monster
The main question is how much Suisei is reinvesting her income into her projects, since Marine has indicated her MVs are incredibly expensive, so who knows how rich she actually is

>>49265676
She an indo, having 50k-100k usd is already a comfortable income while living there.

>>49265779
Marine
>hired top-tier animator for MV for Originals songs
Suisei
>Pick rando artist from pixiv and offer them do design her CD jacket, pick low-to-mid tier animator to make an MV for her
You can guess who's left with more profit margin

>>49265676
shes in top 3

>>49265737
And a shitton of that money went back into her personal project.

>>49265562
Known revenue sources (with educated guesses):

¥217.6M (ticket sales[0])
¥110M (album sales [1])
¥86.1M (SitG BD sales [1])
¥140M (Bday merch [3])
¥71.5M (concert merch [4])
¥29.7M (doll)
¥20.6M (superchat [5])
¥28.8M (memberships [6])
¥47.5M (ad-revenue [7])
============================
¥728.8M (total)

This does not account for sponsorships and other miscellaneous merchandise.

The second highest earner made ¥756.7M in revenue. That could even be made up by the unaccounted for concert merch. There's no way 3.8% of Suisei's revenue stream is only in sponsorships. She has to be #1.

Assumptions
0. Assuming total ticket sales below Specter album sales:
Venue: 7K x ¥8,800 Yen = ¥61.6M
Online: 30K x 5,200 = ¥156M
Total: ¥217.6M
Sanity check: Q4 concert/event revenue was around ¥2.2B and Fes4 made ¥1.8B. There's 400M unaccounted for with Suisei's sololive being the biggest item. (Towa's Nissin Power Station live, Chloe/Iroha and Mel/Nene VARK Cinderella Switches are the other concerts0 I could find.)
1. 1st week sales only
2. 2023 Birthday merch, assuming sales after April 1st equalize year-to-year.
3. 1st online run only and excludes made-to-order items. Also missing on-site purchases and made-to-order items.
4. 2022 superchat revenue, assuming year-to-year SC revenue is steady.
5. 6,000 monthly members, lower than the highest upvoted recent membership post.
6. 18,000,000 views/month, ¥0.22/view

Chuubas earn a shit ton of money: /vt/ complains
Chuubas don't earn a shit ton of money: /vt/ complains

>>49265445
Flights aren't that expensive if you fly economy, and she does. Look I know life in SEA is though but yen and USD does so much more than IDR.

>>49265947
I didn't know Mori had a habit of flying across the ocean multiple times and doing literally nothing else upon arrival each time except wait to board the plane to fly back again. Please, a crumb of intelligence.

>>49265985
She's in the US right now to attend a wedding, and those off-topic concerts pay for themselves. She doesn't go there willy nilly.

>>49265928
Renumbered the indexes before realizing it wasn't necessary and forgot to change them back. 3-7 should be 2-6.

>>49266021
What the fuck are you even arguing about, doxbeat?

>>49265847
>11 original songs with well known composers
>Multiple cover songs
>MGO
>Her 3rd album she is working on
Retard

>>>/vt/numbers

>>49266049
Every time she flies somewhere else there's a fucking reason dumbass. Right now she's there for a wedding. It's not "doing literally nothing else". Last time she flew to Taiwan for the holocafe.

>>49266095
That was me being sarcastic you stupid piece of shit, because all you focused on when I mentioned she flew a lot was the ticket price. No shit she does things at the places she flies to you retarded ape. That costs money.

>>49265675
Rushia

>>49265927
This.
Jesus, i just love how antis forget how much money gura spent for that naked loli anime short.

>>49262917
Saved just in case a trannyjanny nijinigger nukes the thread.

WTF is this

>>49266636
a soundpost for ants it seems

>>49266636
FYCKING RETARDED

>>49266820
Nice Zoolander reference

Hololive white company?

>>49265344
JPs have done it occasionally, but usually in the context of how much things cost
Lamy taxes, Marine MV, Coco bed, etc.

>>49265269
80% of the jp roster has mentioned moving to a brand new place in the last 2-3 years. Way back in late 2019, fbk mentioned buying a house for her mother.

>>49265607
>sponsorship is only 15% of their revenue.

Well shit, I was certain this was their major revenue stream. I guess that mean Cover is still majorly beholden to their audience if they want to survive.

>>49265676
No need to worry about ID girl, a 20K a year is considered upper middle class in Indonesia, that's how cheap cost of living over there.

>>49265607
It's surprising to see that they make almost as much money from streams as from merch.

>>49262991
I love blue PDF!

>>49262917
even after taxes, they are living well. gong to go t-post a nijifag now.

WHERE TEMPUS NUMBERSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ah hewu naw! They combine them with hololive?

>>49265607
What does YoY mean?

>>49267603
Tempus earn enough to pay 8 EN staff a month
The rest are subsidized by the girls

>>49262917
>Matsuri: "I'll never leave hololive. If I do something wrong, I'll beg on my knees if I have too."

>>49267647
Your own YAB

>>49267647 me
I'll try and answer my own question. I think it means how much their revenue has changed by since last year. So they make 20% from streams, but 65% from merch?

>>49267647
Year-on-year. Change between same time last year.

>>49267683
>I'll beg on my knees naked if I have too."
ftfy, we're talking about festival here.

>>49265442
>RBC mentioned a few months back that she bought some land and is building a house
Based, please tell me she's going for rural homesteading kino.
>>49267210
>Way back in late 2019, fbk mentioned buying a house for her mother.
Wholesome fox. Suisei also talked about helper her parents do up their house.

>>49267683
Another one is Noel, she said she will dogeza in front of YAGOO and beg for mercy if somehow Cover/Hololive decide to fire her

>$2 million a year
D:

>>49267683
God, imagine Rushia wailing and ugly crying in the studio begging to stay after being told the bad news.

>They earn disgusting amounts of money
>Still care about their fans, stream a lot, try to give back, try to innovate and despite some of them being shy they do sexy fanservice and asmr because fans love it
We really don't deserve some of these girls.

Kiara was talking about becoming a landlord, buying up places and renting them out. I think they're all doing pretty well.

>>49268007
Don't worr, I hear the contracts at Vshojo are really something special.

>>49268007
Well...she's at her home when the news hit her and she cry like a waterfall on her RM's stream.

That's happened the same day mafumafu denied the relationship and decide to cut ties with her officially

>>49264835

>>49266921
Always has been.

>>49267864
don't think she went into details where she bought land but did talk about how important a good kitchen was for her
if i remember right

>>49267864
Marine literally have her sister work as her maid.

>>49262953
Your oshi is rich as fuck.

>>49267864
Kronii mentioned giving about half her income to her parents as well.

She also asked to have her VC gift be a trip for them.

Based clock

I imagine only the tippy-top talents make anywhere near 1mil USD a year.
>Pekora, Marine, Miko, Gura
But I imagine not a single one of them, even Holostars, is doing bad for themselves in any way.

>>49268403
Isn't some of her family abusive towards her? If so, not based

>>49268455
I don't think that's her parents. Seems like an uncle or something

>>49265675
Pekora, as an nousagi i would say she have quite a dangerous personality.
She maybe that type that doesn't stop spending until she get what she want. (Well idt she can beat Suisei in gacha department, but gambling is quite dangerous for her)
She almost spent 1mil on horse race

>>49268455
It’s been speculated that it’s an uncle or something

>>49268627
Pekora invests in shares, fake Nousagi

>>49267647
https://youtu.be/I3XyzH1aues?t=14

>>49268809
I know, but last horse race she almost double down on last year bet, that a very fucking dangerous mentallity.
You can investment as much as you want.
I saw people selling their car and house then get into heavy debt cause of gambling.
She will doing fine except when her mental of i want to get back what i lost kick in, remember that double spark GBF stream from yeah let buy some costume pack for free 10 roll devole too.

>>49262917
I just realized this is only from the merch earnings, jesus christ.
I like to imagine the least earning Holo member gets AT LEAST $100k a year.

>>49269197
You're plain retarded if you believe Pekora would fall for the gambling addiction vicious circle, she's much smarter than that.

>>49265269
I think that just twitch streamer who want to dupe some retarded zoomer.

>>49269200
Council averaged around $220k in birthday sales from just Hololive shop merch leak (no GJ numbers). Maybe only ID is that low but that’s a shit ton of money for their region.

>>49269256
Well i'm a pessimistic person so... Sometimes i just think of the worst thing could happen.

>>49268305
ryona-chan?

>>49265676
I heard 20k usd is enough for burger to live in indonesia for 2year, it from some dude who doing fishing everyday.

jesus
even tempiss probably still gets decent paychecks
no wonder guys want to enter holo

>>49264048
Are you sure? Sure she's big with concerts and guest starring in many videos/TVs/events but remember that we're still surprised that some of them are bigger earner.

>>49265269
Pekora spent 500,000 Yen on horse betting on live stream
Suisei is well known to be very stylish with branded apparel and clothing
Like someone said, Roboco is building a house
Also remember some of them are addicted to gacha

Surprisingly, EN side actually very modest and never flaunt their riches. Even Bae is still streaming from her shed.

>>49263994
I don't think any mama pimp would want a 20 -something unemployed guy.

>>49264048
Nah my guess would be Miko. Someone who's kind of an all rounder and gets revenue from all different kinds of angles

>>49264835
Anon, there's not much to compare. One group despite dumb management is still happy and can get a good send off from management should they want to leave the company.
The other group are pretty much hostages since they need to keep streaming as they dont get any money from merch. And even then management can push stealth suspensions onto them which can put a dent into their income and possibly hurt their rankings in the algorithm. On top of that, the final kicker is that if they want to leave, management will turn their old fans against them.

>>49265847
suisei's a saviorfag anon, she constantly hires indies and old indie friends to do stuff with her.

literally all of the holos except Azki are just chilling doing some chatting streams and normal games. It's quite rare.

>>49266202
Imagine Rushia after recently fired from Hololive
>"Eh, at least I have several million yen in my bank
After Rushia reading the 2023 report and knowing she can have hundreds of millions of yen in her bank if she's not being a dumbass and fuck it all up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNE3Zfyk-Hc

>>49267851
Imagine the dojin tho.

Tempus and uproar are the only failures for this year's report just because they debuted instead of EN 3 and JP 7 which could've earned cover a few billion yen or so

>>49265442
Oh my heart. My Oshi is stable and happy.
But please, I want her to wear her glasses again

>>49262917
>>49263139
>While the remainder, $82 million went to our idols minus platform fees and merch production cost
this means they actually have no idea how much went to the talents btw
meaning the numbers are made up

>>49264011
No it's not, it's cost of sales. Meaning the entire amount paid to the talents is in there because it is one of their major costs

>>49271096
do you know what estimates mean?

>>49268055
That's what great with JP girls.
They knew that their money is thanks to their fans
So they have this mentality that they need to keep their fans happy by having regular performances.

Sorry, I'm retarded. Would anons mind spoonfeeding and elaborating it for a non /biz/ guy?
I meant, I understand OP's pic, and from that I got >>49264758, too, simple enough.
How did you get >>49262996 or specifically, >>49264044 from that, though? The Cumulative Profit line?
Thanks for your time, anons

>>49269256
Gambling addiction is real tho. I know you meant well, but as an Asian I can understand that we Asian's weakness are gambling. Way worse than Caucasians and Blacks. I just hope that the money she spent is just her disposable income.

>>49269256
I don't trust nips, especially streamers to be gambling free

>>49269411
Oh that spear fishing guy? He can even live longer in Indonesia for 20k if he rent a smaller house and buying stuff from farmer's market.

>>49268305
Didn't that fall through after Ichimi told Marine that it was a bad thing to provide her sister such a safety net without any conditions? And then when Marine talked with her sister about it, her sister snapped back that she wasn't all that happy with the free place she was offered because it didn't meet her standards?

>>49271490
Kek a leech with pride?

>>49262917
Is it?

>>49271096
>this means they actually have no idea how much went to the talents btw
>meaning the numbers are made up
This. The OP literally made up the numbers since we don't know the hololive talent split for generic merch.

>>49271192
JP?

>>49271779
I just love that Coco already confirmed that 50% share is true, and then this nijisister doing mental gymnastic saying
>wE dOnT kNoW tHe SpLiT fOr GeNeRiC mErCh
As if there's different kind of merch levels. Just because anykara are selling generic crap for merch doesn't mean it apply to other agencies

>>49271197
It's simple
Cover's cut is 9,396k/20,454k = 0.46 = 46%
We left with 54%, this is cost of sale
Merc production est. 30% of cost of sale, that's 16%
Remaining 38% is talent's cut.

According to OP's pic that is

>>49272654
Now I get it, thanks, anon

>>49272654
So if the %s as shown recently are true...for every $1 a Nijisanji makes in sales, a Hololive talent would get ~$20-40 or so.

Holy shit.

Wait, didn't Fauna say the girls AREN'T millionaires or super rich? I'm pretty sure she said that. Why did she lie?

>>49273322
Tax evasion. Only retards who claim they have lot of money and show all their properties.

>>49273483
She could have kept quiet about it like most Holos do. Instead she chose to lie.

>>49273546
She's vegan, what do you expect?

>>49271370
Yea that guy, it like a paradise for him

>kekson left this because she thought she could do better

>>49265344
>>49267964
Noel was also wealthy before she joined Hololive. She literally joined Hololive to make friends. I don't know exactly how her merch sales and memberships and supas are doing now but at least in the beginning she made vastly more money from her other job than Hololive.

>>49268055
>Still care about their fans, stream a lot, try to give back, try to innovate and despite some of them being shy they do sexy fanservice and asmr because fans love it
The JP ones anyways. The EN ones just take it easy and coast.

>>49262917
BANKRUPT ANYCOLOR
LIQUIDATE ANYCOLOR
ROUNDHOUSE KICK ANYCOLOR INTO A HOSTILE TAKEOVER
FIRE SALE ANYCOLOR STOCK
IMPOVERISH ANYCOLOR SHAREHOLDERS
JUDO THROW ANYCOLOR'S PENSION FUND INTO THE WOODCHIPPER
CLASS ACTION ANYCOLOR
ANTITRUST ANYCOLOR
AUCTION ANYCOLOR'S OFFICE FURNITURE TO PAY FOR DAMAGES
REWRITE CORPORATE LAW IN THE WAKE OF ANYCOLOR'S DEMISE

>>49273322
Council was a flop so obviously they are at the bottom in %.

>>49262917
The one suspicious thing is this 30% cost of sales estimate, where did that number come from?

C'mon anon stop shitposting.

there's no way any company would give a mere 1% to their talents.

>>49262953
Rough guesstimates on Talent/Company profit sharing based on Cover's FY2023 financial report and some known data such as channel profit sharing.
Source: https://contents.xj-storage.jp/xcontents/AS05169/4f1872d7/00b1/4608/ae53/91e8fe62579e/20230512160316925s.pdf

if we assume holomems gets an even split between them and Cover on all earning generated from their yt channel and twitch, 10% out of concert sales, and 5% out of sponsor deals, then we can estimate that merch profit sharing is around 30:70 (that is, holomems gets 30% of merch revenue after production costs/raw materials etc, 70% goes to Cover for operational expenses (merch staffs, etc))
This includes averages from all commerce sales such as voice packs, general merchs, custom merchs, event merchs, etc

>>49273322
Things cost money, this share is re-investment NOT the profits actually going to the talents. Which is obviously substantially less after costs.
They will be millionaires in a few years though.

Nijinigger trying to rewrite history >>49274026

>>49274032
Math.

>>49274088
this nigger is still trying HAHAHAHA. Neck yourself nijiniggers.

>>49274346
he made a whole new thread too >>49274026

>>49274304
This just makes me even less confident in these numbers if that's all you have to say about it, there's clearly no math done to get there, it's a complete assumption

>>49264758
>all JP girls and Myth are multimillionaires
Several of the girls in EN have disputed this. While they have a clear motive for lying, I don't really think any of them would be cunning enough to do that.
I rather doubt they're multimillionaires. Yes, they're pretty rich, but they're not "swimming in cash" rich. (There's probably some variation though. I mean Gura must earn a lot more than someone like Bae.)

>>49262917
Can I get the link for the report?

>>49274095
That makes a lot more sense.

>>49262917
I've been giving my money to fucking millionaires?

>>49273322
I meant, HoloJP's merchs sold much better than CouncilRyS's did (i.e: HoloJP birthday sold for roughly $500k up to $1M+ for popular members, while Council-Mumei's birthday merch "only" sold for ~$200k-240k on HoloShop, not counting Geekjack). Council is only slightly more than 2 years old as well so I can imagine CouncilRyS not being millionaires or super rich ("super rich" definition varies). There isn't any lie there.
Should still earned hundreds thousands given Cover cuts, though.

>>49262991
>the big gap between the revenue earned by the 1st top member and 2nd top member

>>49274095
>re "-" investment
What? You mean the girl spending for their projects? I'd understand if thats what you meant.

>>49272654
Wait, the 38% is applicable to only the standardized merch or it also include the personalized merch?
If that's only for the standardized merch, isn't that too fucking nice?

>>49268066
>Kiara was talking about becoming a landlord
the leech jokes write themselves

>>49274088
>rough guesstimates
>if we assume
>we can estimate
unholy bullshitry

>>49276356
ask OP, I'm just making summary

>>49262991
>that recent overseas decline

Release EN3 already you fucking morons.

>>49276356
he is assuming the splits we dont know the real split numbers. just that is for sure big enough

Did you guys look at this from the latest presentation.
A half to a third of their cost of sales go to the talent's cut, depending how many other expenses they have that quarter.

>>49274088
>this nigger with numbers out of his ass is still trying
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
A PISS ON YOU

>>49274226
hard to rewrite history if the facts are there

>>49265562
Suisei has the most variety in income so it makes the most sense. Her merch sells like hotcakes, her albums chart and her own solo concert was almost as big as the holofes. And she gets tons of sponsorships.

>>49277195
"Guessed data"
And yet these made up numbers still make holo look good

>>49274462
I got a bridge to sell you anon

>>49272057
Cover would sue a former employee that reveals confidential information about hololive contracts. The 38% guess for talent merch split is incredibly optimistic and it's suspicious how many posters are blindly repeating numbers from this chart when they should be asking for proof.

>>49264758
>top talents like Gura, Aqua, are so loaded they could retire right now and never work again
anon theyve already done that

>>49277567
>would sue
On what grounds? Breaking NDA? NDA's aren't eternal. This is the same stupid shit some retards were spewing about Sayu getting sued by Anykara.

>>49276356
its an average, birthday merch gets way higher cuts to holos for example; while merch with third party companies like omocat will have a smaller cut

>>49264758
In USD?
I doubt their net assets reach 2 million or more
A millionaire at most

>>49265928
>¥217.6M (ticket sales[0])
>¥110M (album sales [1])
>¥86.1M (SitG BD sales [1])
>¥140M (Bday merch [3])
>¥71.5M (concert merch [4])
>¥29.7M (doll)
>¥20.6M (superchat [5])
>¥28.8M (memberships [6])
>¥47.5M (ad-revenue [7])
Holy shit these numbers are too delicious
Source for the ticket sales onegai
In fact, please give me the link to all of the post

>>49273322
>Flopcil

>>49267683
that was Noel

>>49277114
This graph instantly debunk >>49274088, performer remuneration is part of cost of sales

>>49265562
>>49270308
>>49270582
Suisei's music related things are selling well and she is not tied to any major record label which are infamous for taking big cuts
I'm quite sure she is at least in top 3 of Holo top earners
Mori could have been a big earner too, but unfortunately she's tied to UMJ

>>49264048
>#1 is Susei
>>49265779
>Leaked merch sales and public music sales indicate Suisei is a fucking monster
Lmao, no Suisei doesn't even have a figma...
Suisei
https://myfigurecollection.net/entry/201362
Figures = 8
Goods = 121
Media = 12


Pekora
https://myfigurecollection.net/entry/201363
Figures = 15
Goods = 287
Media = 15


>>49270582
>Nah my guess would be Miko.
Nope

Miko
https://myfigurecollection.net/entry/201343
Figures = 7
Goods = 178
Media = 10


INB4:
>The one with the most merchs is the one who is selling more?
Absolutely yes!

I guess Marine is 1st

https://myfigurecollection.net/entry/201375

Figures = 19
Goods = 280
Media = 24

>>49278409
Suisei's friends with you plush sold 3 times more than anyone else's.
And she has her music and concert sales ontop of everything else.

>>49265219
Have you chat with rich entertainers directly (even if it requires supacha) and heard them say daisuki to you?

>>49278556
>Suisei's friends with you plush sold 3 times more than anyone else's.
>And she has her music and concert sales ontop of everything else.

You are basically saying that you know better than the merch makers who is actually selling more.
I would bet they all know each other and they share information with each other of who is selling more products in general.
Just because one product line sold more for one v-tuber, doens't mean the rule extends for everything.

>>49278556
Also, remember, Suisei doesn't have a FIGMA.

>>49278715
>>49278409
Pekora has a lot of merch but they sold less than Suisei or Miko. For example Suisei's birthday merch and Miko's birthday merch sold a lot more than Pekora's birthday merch. Also you can see the general selling power holos have here >>46243913 >>46243976

>>49271192
>>49273947
Of course I meant JP. I thought it was obvious.

>>49267647
>>49267799
This also means that even though the average /vt/ rat will tell you that vtubing the net revenue from streams still is increasing year to year.

Suisei has the most revenue for sure although she might have a different split because of the whole INNK/joining Hololive late/owning her model thing

Doesn't the holomems have to approve figmas and statues?
She just might not have approved as many. And we know how much Suisei cares about her personal image so alot of figure ideas may not be approved.

>>49273947
>seething about EN again
YWNBJ

>>49268007
She did cry on stream....

For Rushia, Hololive is practically her dream job. I'm willing to bet that if Hololive even shows ANY indication that she can go back, she will drop graduate every current persona by the end of the week.

>>49269197
Pekora, have very little want so it balanced out. She's resisting on alot of gacha, especially if she cannot make a content out of it.

>>49270908
By all rights, she is already involved on alot of future projects already that will give her even more income. Even if she does not know future company plan, she at least know her projects. And Rushia is quite popular for sponsorships and licensing too.

All of them. Shelved. I imagine Cover may had a box somewhere in the office filled with Rushia's standee for 3rd Fes Expo

>>49277114
Even Yagoo got asked by BIZ people when he did IPO.

>Hey, your margin is pretty low compared to your competitor. What are you doing?
>well, its easy to explain. We use merch to help support our talents. We believe on keeping talents as our IP so we want to help them wherever we can.

Roughly around that. Another part is that all Holo's merch are currently made-to-order.

>>49268450
According to ops calculation the top 23-25 talents earned million $ last year, yeah thats a lot

>>49274032 read before commenting retard
>>49272654

>>49277114
Here an update based on that chart. I missed it but glad my assumption was correct that cost of sale includes talent share

>>49277567
38% is optimistic
It's not assuming the standard 30-70 on standard merch+custom merch which holos have a higher share in it wouldn't be less then 50% the avrage adds up with everything else in the report and what has been said in interviews and holos before.

>>49277929
For the ticket sales we can guess from the share and revenue, she sold the physical venue+ between 30k-60k SPWN tickets. We do have our bright parade ticket sales though they were around 101k so suisei selling a min of 30k isn't a stretch.
As for merch and album sales there was a big in holoshop which allowed people to check the stocks it's fixed now though

>>49270465
>Even Bae is still streaming from her shed.
That was literally just asian parents wanting to keep control over her because she said she was going to move.

>>49282453
So my numbers aren't the same as yours based on yen price but, COS is almost the same % for both companies. While also having anycolor saying a "major cost" for COS is talent share.

>>49282453
That was total cost of sales for all sales tho, not just merch

Is the monkey still alive?

>>49265607
Is the number Cover's cut of the Tuber's cut?

>>49262917
>>49262991
>source: my ass

>>49269256
Dude, every single Japanese exchange student I met during Uni always asked me about casinos and if I was open to going with them since they never been to one. Japanese people as a whole are very into gambling and its only the laws in place that's holding them back.

>>49283308
>Cover, different
Just use google's forex, why would it be any different.

>>49283543
Not sure what you are trying to refute

>>49285751
Because all I did was google X amount to USD

>>49262917
>>49262953
>>49262991
>>49262996
>>49263139
>statistics about how evenly revenue is distributed between the talents (i.e. how much of a gap there is between their most popular and least popular)
>this is supposed to somehow have something to do with the niji merch yab
In addition to an age limit, the site really needs to start requiring people to have an IQ of at least 70 to post here.
The source graph, i.e. the only actual evidence here says that the top 20 talents' merch brings in ~55% of all the merch revenue and the others account for the other ~45%. Read the fucking fine print: "The revenue ratio (left axis) is the RATIO OF THE REVENUE of the top 20 Vtubers [individually] TO THE TOTAL REVENUE of all Vtubers belonging to our company". Nothing to do with profit at all.
But whoever prepared OP's retarded image macro decided that this means Cover got to keep 45% of gross revenues, not counting what they paid to the talents.
THEN whoever prepared this bullshit had it come to him in a dream that of the "cost of sales" (i.e. what the company doesn't keep), 70% went to the talents and 30% to actually making the merch. That is to say, for 151 million in sales, the production costs, warehousing etc. is "estimated" by this anon, based on absolutely nothing at all, to have cost 24.6 million.
In other words, we are being told that the merch was sold for MORE THAN SIX TIMES what it cost (which would include the actual materials PLUS THE MANUFACTURER'S SHARE with whatever they pay their own employees, operating costs for the factory, warehousing etc).
DEE
WHY
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>>49271197
The reason (You) don't get it is because it's bullshit from retards like >>49282250 who say things like "read before commenting retard" in order to answer someone who says "where does this number come from" by pointing at someone who blindly uses the number in another calculation without saying where it came from. The reason for this, of course, is because the number is completely made the fuck up, and appears nowhere besides OP.
>>49277114
This chart is better than nothing, but it's clearly discussing a ratio that's averaged over all "revenue sources" that have a "cost of sales" (e.g. FES ticket sales) and is not specific to merch.

>>49276909
You have Tempus 2.0. Yagoo wills it.

>>49285961
Oh, I fetched forex 4pm jst. Now its fixed to 135.69

>>49285977
Calm down retard, that chart is mine. Theres a reason why I wrote "est" on the cost. Take your meds, your seething fool.

>>49286291
Sure, feel free to gloss over the part where (You) took numbers that added up to 55% and completely misinterpreted what they mean, and thus constructed a profit margin out of thin air.

>>49285070
Isn't this common knowledge? You just have to look at how a lot of hololive's merch is behind lottery shit and gacha; people has to buy like 50+ tickets to get a fucking keychain of their oshi and even if they win the lottery that just means you get 1/8 possible keychains so you have to gamble even more in order to get the one you want. It's insane and is astonishing how they enjoy it so much. They adore to waste ridiculous amounts of money to play their luck.
They have serious gambling problems and as you said the only thing holding them back is their laws.

>>49265607
Mel's allowed to get away with it as apology for the manager situation.

>>49281375
She should. Fans would welcome her back but she burned some bridges with talents over leaking stuff to korekore.

>>49286390
Not my problem it triggered your autism over estimates.

So who are the top 20 holos?

>>49278401
Isn't Suisei also UMJ? She got that Capsule song thing?

>>49277114
Performer 39%
Outsourcing 7%
Event 15%
Other 38%

>>49287093
Is that yearly average?

>>49287022
No, she was just a featured artist. Hoshimachi Suisei is still independent/hololive label. MGO is under Toy's Factory.

>>49286481
Japan make a law to prohibit gambling places to give out money as a prize.

So, Japanese pachinko use balls as replacement for money, and they have a separate building where they can sell those balls outside of the gambling place.

Japan is honestly degenerate. That's why they have "Health Delivery Services" or "soapland"

>>49286803
>make something the fuck up
>misrepresent what the numbers mean and pretend it's supporting data
This is what happens when the numbers thread is allowed to break containment.

>>49287330
We have laws like that here too and it doesn't result in pachinko degeneracy, just like, seasonal fairs where you can get a teddy bear if the carnie decides he likes you.

>>49263188
There are a lot more than just 20, it just stops at 20, with that 20th making over $1M a year. At this point basically every talent has been there for over a year so even the people making $500k a year would now have made $1M if they've been there at least 2 years.

If you get into Cover and are female, you're basically promised to become a millionaire even if you're a lazy mooch that streams once every 15 days.

Uh oh hes seething.

>>49287330
>Japan is honestly degenerate. That's why they have "Health Delivery Services" or "soapland"
You're cringe my dude.

>>49266921

There's no such thing as a white company, just shades of grey.

As far as treatment for their employees, yeah they seem a fairly light company, but when it comes to the consumers, they're dark grey. Without requirements of content delivery, they're taking advantage of the consumers. Someone streaming once every 15 days for 2-3 hours in absolutely no way has the same value as someone else streaming 6 days a week for 8+ hours, yet they both draw memberships. Any company that allows such a difference without any repercussions is near black. Pro-rate the memberships by hours streamed and they'll lose the black.

>>49287217
last year

>>49285977
>The source graph, i.e. the only actual evidence here says that the top 20 talents' merch brings in ~55% of all the merch revenue and the others account for the other ~45%. Read the fucking fine print: "The revenue ratio (left axis) is the RATIO OF THE REVENUE of the top 20 Vtubers [individually] TO THE TOTAL REVENUE of all Vtubers belonging to our company". Nothing to do with profit at all.
>But whoever prepared OP's retarded image macro decided that this means Cover got to keep 45% of gross revenues, not counting what they paid to the talents.
So people have been spamming this Hololive chart for hours even though it was based on a misunderstanding?

it is honestly insane how much money suisei single handedly brings in hololive. There's no wonder she's streaming less and less, the amount of money she brings in through music and merchandise could without a doubt be boosted even higher if she cut it out for a bit focusing on completing large projects like full albums.

>>49288050
>the others account for the other ~45%
huh? But Holo only has like....35 talents. It doesn't make sense that the bottom 15 talents could bring in 55% of the merch revenue

>>49287914
The consumer can just decide to stop membering someone who doesn't stream? How is it taking advantage of the consumer?

>>49288050
OP's was wrong, but this is more accurate >>49282453

>>49288050
you missed this >>49277114

>>49264079
>kson left because of money.

the Taiwan scandal destroyed her relationship with cover staff

>>49287914
The talent not streaming is not even a problem for the consumer: you can just choose not to pay and leave. Most of the content is free anyways so it's not like you lose everything.
The real problem about not streaming is that although their revenue doesn't really come from streaming the main sources of revenue are good because they are popular, and they are popular because they stream: it's like sportmen earning more money from sponsors than from their contract. They have said sponsors because of their sportmen contract and that's why after they retire they lose a lot sponsorship unless they are top of the top like Michael Jordan.
If anything, not streaming is more of a moral problem between talents: hololive remains popular because of the talents who give a fuck. If every talent was like manjigumi there would be no hololive and precisely because most of them aren't is why hololive stays afloat. The fact Cover doesn't force them to help the other girls just probes hololive is successful because they got really good employees who are professional beyond what the company demands. It's amazing how selfless the girls are to the point they enable the lazy ones without even getting angry, because let's be honest, if you find your coworkers not doing jack shit and getting paid while you're overworking yourself the most common scenario would be either you joining them into the "I don't give a fuck" party or calling their asses out.

>>49288683
>It was once revealed to me in a dream

>>49286790
>She should. Fans would welcome her back but she burned some bridges with talents over leaking stuff to korekore.
Yeah, the only way I see Rushia coming back is if the entire company forgives her, which will never happen.

>>49265269
You never saw Rushia's IG from back in the day?

>>49263188
So almost every Holo owns a yacht. Got you.

>>49273322
Do you think they share their total amount of riches when they meet each other? Hell, I don't know how much money my friends make even now.
>"Oh good morning guys, do you know my bank account is ONE.MILLION.DOLLAR today?"
How many of you discuss your personal riches with your friends?

>>49265442
>JPs turn into streaming content like opening large amounts of card packs , whale amounts of gacha pulls or straight up horse betting
>upgrading pcs could count as well.
I don't count that. Those are work related expenses. Shitty $2mic with GTX1030 and Celeron PC is going to be a shit stream experience.

>>49273483
>>49273546
I bet you two will also try to act poor in front of IRS too.

>>49265070
More like, so proud to make charming people singing and dancing for me into millionaires.
Many of them weren't millionaires before, but through their hard work, charming personalities, humour, and sweethearthood they became such.
Yes, I am proud of my darlings.

>>49273895
She already has simps before Hololive because she knew her "assets" are big enough for thirsty people.
>>49274088
Holy shit, he's so mad he even open Microsoft Excel kek

>>49274462
What do you expect then?
>"Oh yeah, we're millionaires now. We have XXX dollar in our bank account"
Hell, even between me and my friends we never discuss money in our saving account.

>>49275567
Only the top 20, anon. Go support the smaller Holo streamers.

>>49288876
Nta more like paying membership and watching streams

>>49281475
Yeah but she spent a million yen for horse betting. That scares me a bit because I'm worried it became gambling addiction.

>>49284678
With that kind of money she probably paid an animal expert to keep the monkey alive.
>>49285070
Asian in general is very weak to gambling temptation and addiction. Even in countries with lots of Muslims like Malaysia and Indonesia where gambling is a big no no people are still gambling online and offline. Hell, even Malaysia ended up creating a special zone where gambling is legal but only allow non Muslims to enter that area. In Indonesia Australia own an island called Christmas island very close to Java island and they open a casino there and rich Indonesians will sail to that island to gamble.
Even Macau pretty much the Monaco of the East. They're so obsessed they even making a movie about gambling and glorifying it. I knew this because they have their own TV cable channel and announcing their audition in that channel.

Do all of these figures take into account YouTube's cut of the revenue and taxes? I was always under the impression that, at least in terms of superchats and memberships, the girls only net between 25-30% after all the cuts have been subtracted.

>>49262917
surprisingly good thread

>>49292216
Of course. Gross revenue is money flowing into the company after all the cuts by other parties. Net profit is money after all the cuts by internal departments (advertising, research, HR, etc)

>>49292216
this is specifically about merch.
Merch is the majority of income for these companies. But Nijisanji gives their livers only 1% of the merch revenue, while Hololive is giving them almost 40%. The result is that Niji vtubers are begging for rent money to get more superchats, while Hololive vtubers are literal millionaires.

How many limited sets did IRyS have for her birthday? 500? 1000? How quickly did they sell out?

>>49290754
They will never get a penny out of me!

You mongolids cannot rven understand basic data. There is much more much more to cost of sales than talent cut and platform ccut. What about hosting events, production of merch and marketing? All of this is and then talent cut and platform cut is part of theRED MIDDLE number. Bottom green number is bullshit

Fuck im drunk, cannot type straight, have a nice friday

>>49295901
talent cut is 30-50% of cost of sales.
>>49277114

>>49265927
>shitton of that money went back into her personal project
examples of that outside of the short anime thing and her last anniv stream? if its a mengen then give the stream title
everytime i asks this niggers either say i-its alot of projects! or muh secret mengen then run away without telling which one

>>49281594
>I imagine Cover may had a box somewhere in the office filled with Rushia's standee for 3rd Fes Expo
Not even YAGOO himself can stop me!

>>49287330
Easy to say that when US have strip clubs, Gambling den, Gentlemen clubs, Prostitution even in states who banned them, number one porn producer in the world and many more degenerate shit.
>Pot, kettle, kettle, pot.
Also, wtf with that reddit spacing.

>>49270465
The "shed" is in an Australian city. City permits and stuff are minimum $10k. Actually building it is another $50K minimum up to about $100k. Odds are she lives on the East coast of Australia which is stupidly expensive. What she has isn't some tin shed with 4 walls. You'd be able to hear it on stream whenever it rains or there's a strong breeze if that was the case.

Being able to build a dedicated "shed" in one of the most expensive countries in the world is a sizeable investment.

>>49262917
Meanwhile, in nijisanji...

>>49262917
>about $82 million to the chuubas across JP, EN, ID, and Stars
>75 chuubas currently contracted
>82/75 = 1.09333
>the average Holo chuuba salary is just over $1 million
fuckin' hell, that's a lot.
>verification not required

>>49297181
based lupinchad

>>49302274
>Name and pfp
That guy is pretty young, or he's from SEA where $3000 is quite a lot.

>>49303380
Average doesn't work well here, getting the median Holo salary would probably be a better statistic. But we don't have that.

>>49304431
Fair, but still. I knew it was gonna be big but nothing like this.

>>49303557
I'm going for the latter

can someone actually share the pdf or location of the report?

>>49283308
>>49262917
Where are you getting the COS breakdown? I can't find it in the report.

>>49283308
>Holos has about 5% larger revenue
>Anycolor has 4x lower cost
>Holos has better 3D and 2nd largest mocap studio
Yacht is not a meme... Where did all those money went.

>>49288850
>and they are popular because they stream
This is not true and has not been true for a while. Streaming consistently is a good way to maintain your brand power, but it is not the only way. In fact, you need serious luck with streaming to break outside the Box in a significant way.
Instead, there are other ways to maintain and grow your brand. Suisei, for instance, does it through music, through outreach like radio programs, and through her media appearances. Marine does it by making occasional huge projects that go viral and gains her massive mindshare. Ayame maintains her popularity enough by the sheer power of memes, though in her cases growth has stagnated since she took it a bit too far.
And the other girls aren't just doing it on a charity, either. Quite a few of the holos with lower stream times are also some of the ones with the biggest brands, and collabing with them have the benefit of strengthening their position inside the box. Heck, if they don't stream often, you might even get a portion of their fanbase to also watch you. It's why groups like miComet and Pekomiko are so beneficial. Miko/Pekora maintains Suisei/Marine's branding within the holobox, and in return they get a portion of the viewers they collect from outside the box to help them stay at the top of the box. There's an old metric that shows that Suisei watchers have a 30% diffusion rate into Miko's streams (and much lower the other way around), which is much higher than the general average of holomems.
Granted, a lot of this is still a theory, but I think mems like Suisei, Marine, and even Gura demonstrates this pretty well. It's not about the hours you stream as well as how well you can carry your brand, and there are several ways to do that other than just grinding stream hours.

>>49278715
No we're not. We're saying you're silly for using number of different merch as a substitute for merchandise volume.
Think about it this way. If I release 12 different types of merch for $5 and they sell one copy each, while you release two different types of merch for the same price and they sell 100 copies each. Am I more successful at merchandising than you? If Mel releases 1000 different merch for whatever odd reason, is she more successful than Pekora?
We don't have comprehensive merch numbers, of course, but the leaks we do have shows that Suisei universally moves way more merch on a per product basis than the next slot, and both Miko and Marine push significantly more merch than Pekora. Pekora might have more different items, but different items =/= volume.

>>49279008
Suisei #1 and Miko #2

MiComet is the most powerful ship/pairing in the history of Hololive.

>>49274061
If only you knew how bad things were.

>>49298263
YWNBJ

>>49307424
it was made up

>>49302274
Lol the only currency this guy has ever actually seen is monopoly money. Imagine producing anything for a 5% profit margin.

>>49270465
>Pekora spent 500,000 Yen on horse betting on live stream
link to this one please

>>49262917
So Hololive recibes money from Blackrock Jews.

>>49275567
You should at least be getting stuff from them in return, like merch or member streams. If you're sending thousands in supas to Mori or Gura though, then yeah that's on you for being retarded.