/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>49159543
That definitely looks like Miori.

https://twitter.com/dizzydokuro

>>49159657
I don’t see it?

>>49159543
fuck off phase shill
whoever it is, they're retards for signing away their intellectual property. Have fun, invaders! Enjoy getting unpersoned in the event the company goes under!!!!

>>49159543
I hope those ones didn't get jewed by the fishman.

>>49159767
there is more
https://twitter.com/moonjelly0/status/1442208628056809473

>>49159958
One of this is his GF.

>Idol getting a new gen
>EINEN getting a new gen
>Phase getting a gen
Where is Holo en gen 3?

>it's ANOTHER soulless cashgrab scam corpo vshitshow clone that just leeches off existing talents who got big by their own efforts and money (especially money) by tricking them into thinking it's a good deal to become the bitch of an irrelevant corpo

>>49159767
>the bug formerly known as urara
Who?

>>49159976
good for moonjelly to get into a corpo but she definitely could have done better, she's holo EN material

>>49160017
They have to wait and pay to break contracts after the small corpos scout the good ones for them.

>>49159976
God I fucking hope its not moonjelly. She was already fucked over once.

>>49159976
I don't think Moonjelly is the awawa one, despite that being her thing. She's way too unstable right now to debut as a vtuber again. Does she even have a place to live currently?
But I guess unstable sad girls is their thing.

>>49160055
now now anon that's not completely true, they also take their intellectual ip and keep it forever so they have no choice but to graduate and give up their ips if they ever want to leave!

>>49159543
pick one

>>49160062
>a corpo that will delete your entire internet history from before you even worked for them and steal your intellectual property.
At that point, what is even the point of having an invaders branch? Just sign them on as new personas. It's literally just a matter of
>give us your fanbase and model, we'll pay you in exposure.

>>49160055
seriously its so cringe how they all copy the vshojo's poaching strategy now instead of growing their own talents

>>49160270
Please bring the monkey back... The raptor is still around.

>>49160017
>getting a gen
This is not a real gen. Real gen (6 girls(one is a jap)) is most likely debuting in summer.

>>49159543

Yuri is the one who deleted her own stuff. She didn't want to keep the character. This is why the only VOD left up was on her Twitch saying that Sakana was going to fire her.
She played you all and you jumped right for the bait.

>>49160298
>>49160237
>>49159855
Calm down Henri.

>>49159840
I’m assuming anon is talking about the third silhouette. I can kind of see it.
>>49159657
That said, I don’t recall Mio ever going “awawawawawa”. I mean, I’m kind of a tourist in Mio’s streams, but if it was her, I imagine they’d include kissing sounds instead. That’s way more recognizable as her trademark.

>>49160423
That makes no sense. Why would she reincarnate then? How much is fish paying you?

>>49160423
If that were true, the company would have released a statement saying so.

Does this sound like someone who wanted to delete her own identity?
https://youtu.be/obq5A9BaW9k

>>49159657
Are you legit fucking brain damaged?

>>49160298
Sure, ignore the fact that pretty much everyone in the company has acknowledged that both a new Invaders gen and a new gen3 (as in, the third generation of brand new debuts) have been in the works for months.
If Invaders really failed (as in, Yuri’s graduation stopped people from applying) they would have just quietly dropped the program. It’s never been the primary source of new Phase Connect talents.

>>49160651
Shouldn't have pocketed the money, then.

>>49159767
No fucking way

>>49160776
Assuming this was the true rrat, how little is Phase Connect paying their talents?

>>49160089
>>>>>the good ones

If one of them is not Beatani Chisato I will seriously kill myself in Minecraft. I will smoke shitload of hash, eat shrooms and then play horror game on VR just to self-harm with hopes of heart failure in Roblox.
If that won't work, I will throw myself off the bridge in PUBG where Pewdiepie said nigger
Seriousy I can't take this anymore

>>49160059
Umiushi Urara, AKA Slugma, former manager for Tsunderia.

>>49161069
Fucking cringe.

>>49161069
What's a slugma?

>someone that *barely streamed because managers should do their job and when she streamed was just whatever, literally a meme persona for both better and worst*
>someone *that stopped streaming after deciding streaming wasn't for her to pursue academics and music production, 99% of streamong content was baba is you while being unhinged borderline the self harming menhera and right now she isn't even in the position of doing any stream*
2/3 picks would be absolutely fucking trash, lol

>>49160270
Please God I'm begging. Come back to me Koa I miss your streams

>>49160283
They also take 50% of everything they make

>>49160059
Slugtits, Fishman's hole.

>>49161382
big if true

>>49159543
One of them will be Chapipi

>>49159543
That's gen 3, not invaders. The names are hidden because each gen has a name (Phase Origins, Phase Alias, Phase ????)
Invaders are indies joining them with the models they already have.

>>49161519
nah, she is in idol

>>49160905
Calm down. There's no chance any of them are her. Not like her design would have blue drills matching the top right silhouette.

>>49161519
All corpos take a 50% cut from subs/donations

>>49160880
You can dismiss this response if you want, since I’m a phasefag, but Yuri had a lot of trouble gaining traction after joining Phase Connect. In the months leading up to her termination, /pcg/ was calling her a vtweeter with how little she streamed (despite having just gotten a remodel).
I think it was because of family issues and menhera, but you really can’t make a good assessment of how much money the average Phase Connect talent makes from looking at Yuri.

>>49161956
She might have gained traction if she did more than watch Youtube videos on stream.
That's already Pippa's schtick.

>>49159855
>>49160237
>one member gets fired
>this is the only graduation or firing in the company's entire history
>suddenly Phase is the blackest of black companies
get fucking real

>>49162168
Fairly sure that being a wallflower in most of her collabs with other Phase Connect members didn’t help. Yuri was close friends with Lia, which makes you wonder about the lost potential…

>>49161956
From YT content the talent makes 35% (YT takes 30%, Phase takes half of the 70%) and from Twitch the talent makes 25% (Twitch takes half, Phase takes half of the other 50%)
If you have any websites tracking how much they make from streams you can roughly estimate how much they actually get

>>49162250
It's Henri, he's a SEAnigger who will suicide by cop if Pippa collabs with Neuro.

>no Lisa
uhhhh poachfags?

>>49162338
That seems reasonable. God knows they probably don’t get much from merch given how fucking long it takes to ship (I’m not afraid of admitting that even if I’m a phasefag). Though really, that also proves my point. Yuri didn’t stream much and wasn’t really noticed by most of the fans, so her not making much money isn’t really a good indicator of whether everyone else is making enough.

>>49162400
Fuck the poachfags. Unfortunately, I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of them were genuine Phase Connect fans, but I want girls who think it would be a good move for them to join as invaders, and for girls who prefer to stay indie to stay indie. Lisa, Shondo, Kirsche, and whoever else these faggots keep pestering could all make it in easily if they wanted to, and they know it too. So why bother them?

I was hoping Clio would get in and teach yellow women the joys of paradox autism

>>49162666
>Shondo, Kirsche
Ehh, I mean, to poach those 2? The posts made before were clearly ironic yn, sheep is the only "worth" one.

>>49161493
Will she finally make her dreams of being a quad amputee loli come true?

>>49162666
>Unfortunately, I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of them were genuine Phase Connect fans
They are, but they've started claiming it was all falseflagging Phase antis trying to make them look bad ever since they started getting pushback from the vtubers themselves

>>49162880
>Literally phaggots

>>49162870
I feel like Shondo could totally get in if she wanted to (she doesn’t, making this moot, but still). Kirsche, I guess I agree, mostly because her model’s so janky.

>>49160283
>>49161382
I don’t watch phase explain I thought they were allowed to buy it back if they choose?

>>49161913
One thing we’ve learned in wake of everything is that this isn’t true. All of them seem to have variable cuts except maybe kawaii

>>49163235
There would be a buyout option, but it probably is super high based on the value of being attached to the PC brand

>>49159543
They're all Poject Kawaii Gen 3 refugess.

>>49163411
would be hilarious

>>49163235
First, Yuri was permanently broke. Second, Lumi has her own contract and probably still owns her IP.

So, best guesses right now are Kallin, Urara and Moonjelly, correct?

>>49163568
Seems that way

>>49163235
The guy you're responding to is an idiot who can't even be bothered to get his facts straight. Yuri made a lot of decisions that left her without the rights to her model and likely abandoned it in the end because of how divisive her new model was. Many people, even her biggest simps, hated it. She herself always had issues with the persona from her Cyberlive days. Every other month after she got into PC she ran some scheme of begging for money, and spent most of it on vtuber merch, medical bills, and alcohol.
Whatever Yuri did it broke her friendship with most if not all of the other PC girls. Sakana, the CEO, attempted to negotiate with her to keep her in and it failed. So she was terminated and she moved on.
>black company, steals models
Lumi, the other Invader, has heavily hinted bordering on outright confirming that she maintains the rights to her character multiple times since she joined. Their contracts are very likely different, especially after renegotiation.
Truth of it all at the end of the day is that Yuri had serious issues on her end and they weren't be resolved. You can kind of even see that now with how she can't even bring herself to stream and only did a short 15 minute "test" stream, meanwhile she spends all day on Twitter and Discord.

>>49160270
Ah yes my favorite completely original and unique vtubers, Definitely Not Kaela, Definitely Not Kiara, and Definitely Not Fauna

>>49161144
>What's a slugma?
Slugma BALLS lmao gottem

>>49163568
None of those silhouettes look like Ember's (Kallin's) new design and she's talked before how she didn't like doing vtubing as a job/for money for a corpo if memory serves. A lot seems to point to Ura joining, Moonjelly I'm unsure, and it looks like Ember/Kallin won't be joining. Unless this isn't phase invaders because Ura is abandoning both her old model and old name if that is indeed her.

Are all these girls aware they will gain /vt/ schizos as an audience? Do they study if their content/personality will work well with that?

>>49163953
Phase Connect only recruits girls who already are /vt/ schizos themselves. Of course they'll be fine with having us as an audience. They are us.

>>49163953
Most vtubers are aware of /vt/ and lurk or post here actively

>>49160270
I remember the monkey's collab with pippa being the most awkward shit ive ever seen, is she actually a decent streamer?

>>49164058
>Most vtubers are aware of /vt/ and lurk or post here actively
Not "most" by a long shot. There's a small handful of EN-corpos that do on occasion but it's much more of an indie thing. Even so, only a minority of indies would come here to lurk and read posts, even if they're aware that we exist.

>>49163743
Lumi is also one of the biggest PC talents, so it makes sense she has the ability to renegotiate - Yuri and these new talents? Probably not. It is still a risk joining a corpo if their audience doesn't increase by enough to offset the cut PC takes

>>49162538
>>49162338
There’s 2 things a bit inaccurate with that statement and both involve cuts. Ok do they take half, 50% or do they take 35% because it leads to different amounts.
>50%
$100–30%= $70–50% is $35
>Half
$100–30%= $70–$50 is $20
>35%
$100–30%=$70–40% is $42
On a contract what word they actually used changes the cut. Saying before or after also changes it but this is more implied.

Next is youtube cut which you can find a more accurate explanation on their help section. I don’t remember if it’s North America or just America but the 30% is for them while globally it’s a flat 24%. Interestingly enough you can actually ask them to take less but you’ll probably get some tax problems making the cut smaller.

>>49163856
Haven-X is another FlavR, bro. Don't take it seriously.

>>49164237
It's worth remembering that the new talents will know their contracts before signing up. Yuri made the active decision to sell the right to her character, and there's nothing forcing anyone to do so

>>49164233
Let's check the three largest EN corpos, shall we? Vshojo, Idol, Phase.
Vshojo talents are known for browsing /here/.
Idol talents are known for browsing /here/.
Phase talents are known for browsing /here/.
See a pattern?

>>49164344
It's the first one
Out of 100
35 to Phase
35 to talent
30 to YT
I'm not sure about the exact YT rate for them but the proportion between company and talent remains consistent

>>49160270
viri sylvaine yo, from haven-x yo.

>>49164510
Phase is the only one that's actually true for, and that's a thing specific to Phase and the type of talent they recruit. The others are incidental at best, ie, they opened the page once and looked around for a bit out of curiosity or something. They're not anons.

>>49164403
I am pretty sure being an invader requires them to sell the character IP, Lumi is the exception
>>49164344
They take half of what is left after YT/Twitch, which leaves them with 35% of the money from YT and 25% of the money from Twitch

>>49164344
If you want to talk about percentages, you first need to define the base. Initial contracts have been hinted to be 50/50 of profit.

>>49164403
>there's nothing forcing anyone to do so
I dunno, the fact that nobody has identified any of three silhouettes at all seems to indicate that they're all rebranding when they join, which might be them exploiting a loophole that lets them avoid having to sign over their existing characters.

>>49164777
>I am pretty sure being an invader requires them to sell the character IP, Lumi is the exception

>>49164748
It's not even all of Phase talent.
Both Tenma and Iori have openly stated their dislike of 4chan and I highly doubt some of the other girls like Airi or Erina browse /here/.

>>49160017
I'm sorry but Yagoo has abandoned you, he gave up on EN.
I'm hanging out with Aviel and Sakana now, they are pretty cool and give me all the love Yagoo never gave me.

>>49164748
> the others are incidental at best, ie, they opened the page once and looked around for a bit out of curiosity or something.
prove it

>>49164748
Ironlung unironically egosearches all the time. Kson might do so too.

>>49166955
I will believe Tungsten Rat only because it makes sense that she'd be obsessed about her own ego to that degree.

>>49165384
I’d be willing to bet the incoming Invaders renegotiated their contracts given how the Yuri situation was handled.

>>49163743
>outright confirming that she maintains the rights to her character
Yes, when she had her OLD model. There has been no hints ever since she got her new model. She has also denied answering any questions regarding her contract. It's a toss up. But the fact that she went silent and she didn't think she would be streaming this long doesn't make it look good.

>>49162870
>Kirsche
how likely is she?

>>49162250
>Exaggerate the point to make it easy to make fun of. Aka a strawman.
nta, anon didn't say blackest of black. But a shit deal is a shit deal. Everything he said is true. Sign away your IP (possibly a prerequisite to join) and you have to give up everything if you want to leave.

>>49160423
The company would 100% say it was her decision. They would have no reason to keep it a secret.

>>49162338
Do you have any source for this. I don't even care if it's your own memory. I just want to know what you're basing this from.

>>49168113
>They would have no reason to keep it a secret.
Let's be real. They know how this place and twitter work. Not saying anything that could be used against the company or the talent is the best. And even then, you will still get schizos spamming absolutely random rrats. It's a waste of time to say anything more than they already did.

>>49161620
This

The offkai teasers are for gen3 which is in June. The invaders are going to debut this month.

>>49162250
Signing away your own IP forever is a shit deal for an indie. And we've seen with Yuri that this is exactly what happens to Invaders.

Phase Connect to me looks like a company that continues to exists through luck more than through any display of virtue. On the scale of "has its shit together" to "winging it", it's far to the right. Betting your digital existence on PC making the right calls is a bad fucking idea.

>>49168457
Why would Phase care about this place when this place is supposedly 1% of their entire fanbase?

>>49168871
Way to ignore half of my post.

>>49164777
>Lumi is the exception
It's a thing with two people mean to pick up talents that escaped a burning ship. Lumi being an "exception" implies that there was a precedent in the first place.

>>49168794
Singing away their character is a horrible deal but it's not necessarily the case for every invader, it happened to Yuri but we know everyone has a unique contract.
I can only hope that the recent Yuri situation served as a warning for future invaders and they still had time to negotiate their right to their characters for their contracts.

>>49168794
They just need to negotiate the contract for what they think it's worth. Yuri skipped the audition, got brand new in-house identity, new PC, enough money to start a new channel and probably plenty other things. In exchange all she gave away was second-hand CL identity she wanted to get rid of anyway.

Should she value it higher? Maybe, but she got as much as new hires or more that she could probably never afford by herself.

>>49164748
The idol girls, the lolis in particular, dogwhistle all the time.
Nyanners, Iron, Kson, Nazuna and Vei have all been caught browsing, and some do it frequently.

Bottom looks like a literal pile of shit

>>49168034
Yeah, I'll agree it's not the best deal and there should be a way to get their character back, if not retain full rights from the start

It just feels like not many people considered Phase to be shady until Yuri got bonked

>>49169235
>it's not necessarily the case for every invader
>it happened to Yuri but we know everyone has a unique contract
Source on this?

>>49170031
Lumi mentioned it. She didn't go into details but she did say they had different contracts.
And since there are only 2 invaders so far it is a fact that all invaders have a unique contract.

>>49160530
Miori goes 'uweeeehh'

>>49159543
Invaders have probably been chosen for a while now completely unaware of Yuri's situation, I wonder if any of them regretted their decision after everything that happened

>>49159543
isn't the awawa girl the one that quit that corpo after getting a lot of money from a donothon?

>>49170690
Anon... what corpo do you think she quit?

>>49170690
No.
>>49170777
I think he is talking about the horse that was part of kawaii gen 3, whatever her name was.

>>49170944
Crazy how we had two girls do the same thing then

>>49168457
>Not saying anything that could be used against the company or the talent is the best.
The best for who? The talent that got unpersoned and is no longer a talent? Or the company? It is not both.

>>49170031
>Source on this?
Lumi said on her stream that all contracts are different. How unique is unknown. Lumi also calls sakana dad. I don't really trust her to be transparent when she doesn't talk about her own contract.
>It just feels like not many people considered Phase to be shady until Yuri got bonked
There was some incompetent or bad at the job feelings but not shady but I've been around 10 months so I'm not an oldfag. I think people see that they get away with being edgy and transfer that to management being fine. We know nothing about the contracts or cuts. I'm not saying we should assume the worst but lets not let the parasocial feelings towards talents cloud our judgement. A company is a company.

>>49171379
> It is not both.
Have you seen shizos that went after her last two weeks? Imagine if Phase gave them more ammo.

>>49170690
yes, formerly Aletta from Kawaii Gen 3, currently the indie known as Elia. iirc her donothon raised something like 45k with 35k coming from the top 3 donors

>>49171567
no it's not her

It's funny watching people in this thread defending Yuri without knowing her character nor what she did.
Even funnier is the bitching over "her IP being stolen" when she herself grew to hate it.
You guys are silly.

>>49171605
i did not mean yes to whether the phase gen 3 would be her or not. i simply meant yes to the question of whether awawawa was her catchphrase

>>49171689
ok lumi

>>49171689
I think it's funnier watching people shit on Yuri as if anybody knows what actually went down

>>49171689
>without knowing her character nor what she did.
If only there was some way for the company to let us know.

>>49171544
>Have you seen
Yes, I've been following, it's like 1 and few stragglers at best, mainly on twitter. "Yuri has decided to delete her content" wouldn't have changed much.
>>49171689
It's funny you being a shill when you don't know the contracts or cuts or what the reason was either. Most is not defense, it's saying what happened was shit. You should not unperson the talent and you should not take the IP of an invader and the talent should not sign away their IP.
>when she herself grew to hate it.
No.

>>49159543

>>49171689
I know Yuri, I know what she did is bullshit, I know she's a bitch, but I still don't like the fact that she lost her character.
Shit imagine having nuance.

>>49171981
>let us know.
They don't need to let you know.
Vtubers talk to each other and share a lot more than you'd think about the business.
>>49172061
>you should not take the IP of an invader
She didn't want it.
>No.
Yes.

>>49171379
> I don't really trust her to be transparent when she doesn't talk about her own contract.
I only know Phase. Do other corpos actually allow their talents to freely talk about their contract details?

Do Phase even need more members?

>>49168494
Same day or week as Idol
most likely

>>49171689
How does Sakana's scales taste like?

>>49159543
Picrel aren't Invaders. That's the proper new gen.

>>49160062
>she's holo EN material
Sorry but HoloEN material up to February of this year was only people with a dick between their legs. Cover effectively started giving a fuck about the branch only after they pushed a "reminder" that the open auditions were for both HoloEN and StarsEN 13 months after they started.

>>49172220
I don't know if it's not allowed or an unspoken rule. The closest I heard is telling the cuts to merch (lol niji). Every corpo could disallow it and my opinion would be the same, no trust. Talent can't leave without losing everything. Trusting them based on parasoical bonds you built is a fool's errand.

>>49172355
>Debuting new Invaders just to overshadow them with a new gen less than a month later
Checks out

>>49170497
Why would they? Do you just assume that all these chubas are stupid and don't read or understand the contracts that they sign? Or do you mean that they completely forgot what was written in their contracts until they saw yuri get booted and they only just then remember what was written in them?

>>49172061
For what she actually did (no, it's not skimming donos), Yuri is lucky that Phase let her off as easy as they did. Also from another Phase talent Panko:
>you don't wanna know the details, it would have ruined her image
Source: insider info

I think I've acquired a taste for bait.

>>49160017
Hopefully soon after Yagoo was asked by investors why the fuck is his male vtubers a failure compared to the females and he didn't have a good answer. Maybe Tempus Part 2 overall failure to bring a bigger audience after the somewhat successful Part 1 made them think a little harder about what the hell they should be doing, or they're completely retarded and we'll see StarsEN3 before HoloEN3, who the fuck knows?

>>49173031
Misquoting, she said:
>It would just have ruined—um, probably, I dunno—her image, or—or, I dunno... uhh, we don't want anyone to hate anybody, and stuff like that. So, that's why.
You're a faggot with no info let alone insider.

>>49173246
And you're a faggot pulling rrats out of your ass. Go back to simping for your Oceane-lite whore.

>>49173166
>Tempus Part 2 overall failure to bring a bigger audience after the somewhat successful Part 1
Gen 1 being somewhat successful now that's a good joke

>>49173031
If what she did was so incredibly awful then why would they keep quiet about it instead of warning other people about her?

>>49173329
>pulling rrats out of your ass
Tell me this rrat then, you corpo simp. I said not to trust with no details and Phase were the ones to deleted her accounts. If you consider the later a rrat then you barely seen any rrats.

>>49160017
You got EN3 with Tempus. You may not like it but that is Gen 3.

>>49173506
Eh, they were bigger than most people were expecting them to be. That success definitely didn't last long and now even some of the Tempus 1 members are starting to become consistent 3views, but early on they had pretty great numbers for a Holostars. Right now their only saving grace are the handful of whales willing to pay memberships for literally everyone as long as you open their streams and watch for 5 seconds.

>>49173566
Because Phase Connect isn't Nijisanji and they don't gain anything from dragging her name though the mud.

>>49173701
Even if Cover tried to sell them as such they'll never be EN3, nobody considers them EN3, none of the talents considers them EN3 and when a new HoloEN gen gets announced everyone will proceed to call them EN3.

>>49173566
Not saying that Yuri necessarily did something awful but Fishman is an incredibly nice guy. He even paid for Yuri's new model after she brought up taking out a loan for it.

>>49159657
>that neck
haha no.

>>49173808
They were expecting HolostarsEN to pop off like NijiEN males did, or at last do as well as the girls did on their debut. Instead it was a pathetic little splash into the industry that went largely ignored.
It's funny the most numbers they have ever had is when they collab with girls and the most relevant they have been is because people argue the girls should stop callabing with them.
They never left the shadow of HoloEN.
GEN2 was just an even bigger disappointment.
I'll be honest I am actually glad Cover debuted two gens of stars back to back just because it made it clear how worthless the branch is and the backlash and poor numbers of HoloEN lately is the price they pay for it.
My only hope is that they actually learn from that and put the homos into the back of the line where they belong and stop giving a shit about them until HoloEN has at least 5 gens.

>>49173808
>Because Phase Connect isn't Nijisanji and they don't gain anything from dragging her name though the mud.
Niji caught flack because they released a laundry list of menial shit that was an obvious attempt to make Zaion look as bad as possible, but Phase doing the opposite and giving no details at all was too far in the other direction. If they'd both just listed one or two major infractions that actually led to the termination decision then there'd be no issue.

>>49174143
I think they explained it well enough.
She broke rules, she did not obey instructions to stop doing it, they tried to negotiate an agreement but it didn't happen.
We don't know exactly what it was but we know it was not bad enough to fire her right away but they were not willing to tolerate it forever and had to eventually put their foot down.
I appreciate not ruining a talent's reputation in public.

>>49174143
Whether Phase gave a concrete reason or not would not have mattered in the slightest - people choose what they want to believe here

>>49173566
>incredibly awful
According to the termination tweet it was repeated offenses so not so awful to fire her for doing it once.
>>49173841
>He even paid for Yuri's new model after she brought up taking out a loan for it.
I'm going to assume you mean the model post termination. Your wording is wrong. She took a loan and it was paid off after she was paid from her "job". Not that it was paid off after mentioning that she took a loan.
I rewatched the stream to make sure. https://gofile.io/d/sqahDl.. Based on the wording it was likely the last paycheck rather then specific extra money from fish.

>>49173591
Read what I said carefully and connect the dots you larping troglodyte.

>>49174091
That I agree with you. People keep saying that that Cover expected them to fail but this is utterly nonsensical with all the bullshit they got from a debut orisong, watchalongs on HoloLIVE EN's official channel, collab ban shortened exclusively for EN and ID and how hard Cover tried to push their auditions multiple times. Cover wanted their own Luxiem but got a middling success that while bigger than what most people thought they would be they were still much smaller than a potential EN3 and are shrinking by the day. Their only saving grace is how Luxiem is also bleeding viewers so there's a possibility they might end up being bigger than them but not because they actually got more popular. The last 12 months were quite the shitshow for the EN side, hopefully things get better from here on out.

>>49174542
Corpo shill can't handle people having doubt in a company that owns the IP of talents and doesn't give any details about contracts or cuts or terminations reasons.

>>49174521
Thanks based truthchad

>>49167792
>There has been no hints ever since she got her new model.
Except for what she said when asked about Yuri's graduation and if she owns her model or not. Why act as if you know what is going on?

>>49160298
>>49160055
>oh nyo 4 out of 18 talents are invaders
Can you even explain why this is bad?

>>49171379
>Lumi also calls sakana dad.
Translation:
>she made fun of him walking like a dad once

>>49162400
They can't hide forever.

>>49175307
>what she said when asked about Yuri's graduation and if she owns her model or not
>"All the contracts are different. I'm not going to talk about the details of my contract. They're all different."
Explain to me through your view how this is a hint to you, please. It just seems like she doesn't want to imply anything about Yuri's contract and to not talk about her own. Me saying it doesn't look good is not me knowing what's going on at all.
>>49175544
>Translation
She has went into detail and said paraphrasing "he went to start a vtuber company and got 15 daughters instead."

>>49164233
The definition of /here/ most anons use is so broad that your grandmother who watched Fox news' "hackers on steroids" segment in 2007 qualifies as being /here/.

>>49174573
The idea of HomoEN isn't a bad one as an experiment. If Tempus had not been treated like a HoloEN3 replacement (and especially not launching Homo2) then I think the backlash wouldn't have even registered.

>>49174573
>all the bullshit they got from a debut orisong, watchalongs on HoloLIVE EN's official channel, collab ban shortened exclusively for EN and ID and how hard Cover tried to push their auditions multiple time

Man I had forgotten all the shit they got, shortening the collab ban just for them to shill them was so fucking shameless.

>>49177060
Totally. Cover was actually pretty smart with previous Stars gens and always released them close to other Hololive gens. Tempus 1 and 2 are the first and only times they gave a Stars gen the Holo treatment of having them debut by themselves without an accompanying gen, making their objective clear as day and that didn't work out for them in the end.

>>49177358
I wonder if anything changed after that because Tempus 2 barely interacted with HoloEN at all. Hell, even ID still hasn't collab as much with them so I wonder if something happened internally.

Kind of insane that in a couple of months Phase Connect will nearly double its size with Invaders + Gen 3
I hope the company can handle it.
At least it helps that invaders will bring their own audience so they won't depend on splitting the existing audience.

>>49160905
kill yourself nigger, I hate you pc faggots.

>>49160905
Bro just let go. She experienced everything she wanted as a vtuber and she moved on.
I'm sorry. Be happy for her.

>>49177816
It's okay, anon. I still love you.

>>49177697
Depending on how many they debut PC will have double or more than double the number of members HoloEN has in 2 years. Literally what Cover should've done with HoloEN but the retards really wanted their own Luxiem. Fucking hell.

>>49178341
HoloEN management dropped the ball hard, never seen a bigger blunder than them.
Yeah NijiEN is imploding but that's mostly due to the company being scummy, HoloEN was incompetent and those are different things.
NijiEN actually did the most effective tactic, it debuted multiple gens in a short period building up momentum and a full roster until a good number to slow down and take it steady.
HoloEN started extremely strong and they had the entire world for themselves but took ages for HoloEN2 and HoloEN3 just went MIA so they have lost all their momentum, most of their community and lost so many potential hardcore fans that just chose different girls from indies or other corpos, fans that could have been parasocial whales for HoloEN instead.

>>49178526
I don't understand why everybody thinks releasing more gens in a good idea desu. It's like printing more money to grow the economy.

>>49178341
I will probably never understand why they thought that competing with their biggest rival at the cost of their their insanely successful niche would be a good idea. So fucking stupid.

>>49178720
Well that's a very stupid analogy because those two things are not similar at all.
By your logic if Hololive only had Gen 0 and Gen 1 they'd be worth as much money as it does right now.

>>49178720
New gens, if done right, bring new life into the whole company. It keeps things fresh for already existing fans, while simultaneously attracting new ones through new characters that ideally fill new niches, and simply through word of mouth, because news keeps people talking.

>>49178526
NijiEN went too hard on it and debuted too many. 32 in 17 months was insane and now that's coming back to bite in the ass with how short staffed they are if they were forced to give an entire 6-person wave to a 2-week manager that had to have a handler behind him at all times. However Cover went the complete opposite direction and took WAY too long to do literally anything when they had almost complete control over the western vtuber audience. At that time the only person who remotely competed with HoloEN was Ironmouse and it took a while for her to actually consistently beat some of the less popular members, but Cover just sat and saw that happening and thought everything was completely fine. Fucking insanity.

>>49178720
There's a hard limit for how many you can do, but you have to release to have any growth. New members bring new experiences, more variety of content if done right, different timeslots if they aren't all hired from the same exact corner of the world and has a much bigger chance of attracting a new audience than expecting the current ones to do. There needs to be a consistent stream of new blood until the branch reaches a healthy state, something that happened with HoloJP but it's far from happening with HoloEN.

>>49179563
I think they were good with the first female/male gens combo
it was enough to do most stuff and it was working out well
Iluna and the xsoleil came out too soon

>>49173166
Wouldn't that just make Cover rethink and invest more into males? Nijisanji has shown that there's an audience for male vtubers there that Cover isn't adequately tapping into and Tempus was more successful than HolostarsJP so far.

>>49180334
Hope so, the meltdown will be glorious.

>>49179759
Illuna and Xsoleil are more than a third of the total members so yeah, it was a dumb decision to debut them too soon. But that's Niji's model for you and after a year of only one new wave for NijiJP they went back to their bullshit and debuted 22 new members in a little over a year.

>>49180334
What can they do that they haven't done yet? They shilled both Tempus and Uproar harder than most of their female gens, gave them a bunch of unique shit that either took 10 times longer for other members to get or stuff they don't even have, tried to shove Tempus hard into the HoloEN box with mixed to negative results (and seemingly went back on it from the lack of interactions Tempus 2 had with most of Hololive) and doubled down with a new gen less than 6 months after that failed to bring a new audience and actually spread the already small one thin. The only thing that's left for Cover to do would be dropping the separation and start calling the dudes Hololive, but that not only has a huge chance of murdering any chances for them to incline it might also destroy the agency as a whole. Yagoo tried really hard but failed, they were always second place in regard to male vtubers and never managed to get dudes that had the same appeal the ones Nijisanji have, and now what should've been their main focus in the west likely lost a lot of trust after 16 months and counting without a new gen while all the small agencies are getting these girls left and right that would fit HoloEN like a glove. It's Cover's absolute loss if they really think they can get their own Luxiem, who mind you actually lost a lot of their early popularity.

I'm watching Tenma's VOD of Jammer Lammy and I'm wondering is it a latency issue or is the game just that fucking precise?

>>49159543
How many will be graduate after next recontract?, lol

>>49181292
>What can they do that they haven't done yet?
They haven't spammed shorts yet. They could scout better, push more collabs with hololive, etc. Pippa latched onto an untapped fanbase and made a lot of new vtuber fans rather than just compete for the existing.

>>49182348
Pipniggers have been a disaster for Phase Connect's image

>>49182348
>shorts
That's not completely on Cover unless they start grabbing random clips and making them into shorts.
>scouting
Maybe, but I doubt they can find many interesting male streamers desperate to become anime boys.
>push more collabs with Hololive
That won't work out. Even if that last mixed Uno collab had more viewers than many other female-only collabs literally none of the participants saw an increase in viewers. The western audience now has this incredibly weird subsection who strictly only watches mixed collabs and then fuck off until the next one, never watching any of their solo streams or collabs with their branchmates. Aruran also tried to spam collabs with HoloJP, and while all of them were with the low tier ones not counting Fubuki it seemed that he ended up losing viewers instead gaining more of them, while Astel, Roberu and Gamma are out there becoming the big StarsJP members by expanding their horizons and going outside of the Holobox.

Also I don't get the Pippa mention. That's all on her and not on Phase Connect, so I don't why Cover should force the current Stars members to target a new untapped audience if they're not interest to

btw most of the posts in this thread rampantly defending phase are actual phase staff and their /here/ talents

>>49183525
all me and my alts

>>49183525
Buy an ad

>>49183119
You can scout for a Pippa rather than someone more typical. Another issue is that some of the guys seem terrified of management so even if they got the right talent they wouldn't have the freedom to do even 5% of what Pippa does.

>>49160017
Better question is where is that gamer wave for nijisanji?

>>49172274
i know it's jork, but i like the idea of phase connect growing. i don't know about semi consistent waves like hololive or weekly gacha drops like nijisanji, but i do know they're gonna need more talents to become the face of the sad girl refuge.
they need more than just pippa, tenma and lumi. and they need more ground to cover.
i get a bit excited thinking about how far phase connect can go, but for now, i'll appreciate the small community.

>>49172220
No. Specifics of contracts generally fall under sensitive company info as companies don't want their competitors from finding out what they give in contracts and offering better ones. Talking too much about your contract is often even treated as a breach of contract because of this.

>>49183947
It's not like their content was much different before they became Holostars, so I don't think they're scared of anything and are just boring. Also Cover doesn't fucking know what the fuck they want for the male branch because they went with the cope that Tempus 1 was targeting the Hololive audience which was a stupid idea since the absolute majority of them do not give a fuck about male vtubers and most of those who stuck for a while after their debuts already left, especially after Tempus 2 which was an obvious attempt to get a female audience that failed miserably outside of clown. In any case Cover was absolutely retarded to dump all that effort on the unpopular branch trying making it popular and not having anything planned for what will always be their focus, and EN3 should've debuted last year regardless of "muh girls will take away the spotlight from the boys" bullshit that doesn't make any sense when both branches will always have different audiences that generally do not care about the other.

>>49185159
Thank you, I couldn't say it better. And corpo cucks will still simp for the companies.

>>49185097
Fishman seems to have gotten his shit together more this past year after bringing the new managers on board so hopefully they're going to start making bigger pushes to promote their girls. Like how they've been pushing Lia to do more collabs outside of the company which she's been handling really well.

>>49186881
that sounds promising, i hope fishman remains ambitious. if he keeps playing his cards right, it should all go well and they can keep rescuing as many menheras as they want.

>>49183119
cover has some type of autism about shorts although it's more on the en side

>>49185331
Most of the Hololive fanbase likes Tempus.

>>49183525
I'm not staff, I'm the CEO. Fuck you.

>>49188309
Yeah, I heard about that. Still, even if they weren't like that shorts are ultimately dependent on the talents so if they're not interested in making I don't see Cover forcing them to do it.

>>49188377
I'm sure you're right, anon. That's why when they're the only ones streaming the entire fanbase starts watching them, right?

>>49160312
She join a corpo called Lucid right?

>>49164114
Yeah, that was just the worst day of her life for some reason.

>>49183119
Yeah I hate HoloEN except Tempus myself.

>>49159657
Miori Celesta? I doubt it. She was among the random unrelated VTubers that dogpiled Lumi on Twitter over the skinwalking incident.

>>49159543
None of them look familiar.
This is Gen 3.

>>49159543
If it's none of them people are gonna be pissed off. But the tsunderia girls can't join another corpo for a few more months.

Doesn't matter much when a few weeks later idol will shill their gen 2 with so many ads and make phase look like a joke in comparison.

>>49159543
Nana Asteria?

>>49162666
>Kirsche
Has she recently changed her tune on this or sth? Because for a while she was very gungho about wanting to join Phase.

>>49159976
She's done + too busy

>>49163953
>Do they study if their content/personality will work well with that?
If this was something Fishman cared about, he wouldn't have hired most of Gen 2, barring maaaybe Panko and Airi.

>>49191745
Watch her Monday stream 20m in, she certainly got put off by joining any corpo given the zaion and Yuri shit.

>>49160059
Where are (You) seeing that, looks like everything is fucking deleted

>>49165824
>Tenma [has] openly stated [her] dislike of 4chan
So... how exactly does this jive with the "le based and redpilled" image all her fans seem to have of her in /pcg/? Make it make sense.

>>49192108 (me)
That said, I opened the twitter incognito and got recommended Yuuna, Kana and Meru, so....

>>49192108
That post was 10 hours ago. She deleted that in the mean time.

>>49192136
Tenma just does whatever the fuck she wants. That kind of attitude can be interpreted as based.

>>49160186
>I don't think Moonjelly is the awawa one
She's already been made a mod in Lumi's channel.

>>49161956
It's because she just never had anything going for her besides being Lumi's sidekick, and then Lumi left her in the dust.

>>49192316
Moonjelly and Lumi are old friends.

>>49185097
>i like the idea of phase connect growing
Not sure how I feel about it. The way I see it, it can go one of two ways:
1. As Phase get's bigger, the girls are forced to sanatize (cuck) their content to appeal to a broader audience.
2. Phase getting bigger legitimizes the type of content the girls already make, and it becomes a viable alternative to the current dominant culture in VTubing, leading to more chuubas like them popping up.

>>49192315
That IS being based. The word has been twisted by children into describing edgy conservatives but living as oneself unaffected by others is the original definition of based.

>>49192436
I jist think in most things she did she was just... confused. From her voice to booba size to content she seemed like she never really knew what she really wanted to do, saying this as a prior fan. I would say for a good period Lia suffered from the same thing but now has her special niche which allowed her to finally grow and thrive but I don't think Yuri ever really found that, which makes it hard in the vtuber field to stand out out have their niche.

>>49164777
>I have two (2) data points
>I am pretty sure one of them is the rule and the other is the exception
retard

>>49192436
She had plenty going for her. She was the "based" alternative to Pippa and Lumi who also did GFE.
She had one problem and one problem only: lack of consistent streams. That's literally all there was to it.

>>49169782
Well said.
>>49169845
For that matter, Mori talked about "the clover site" when she was on Mousey's show.

>>49170690
Not a chance, it's obvious she hates the idea of being in a corpo along with the rest of her gen that quit. They made their own indie circle and regularly raid into each other.

>>49192724
Yuri simply spent too much time off stream with her close circle of viewers and mods. The "groomcord" is uniroincally real in her case. I would suspect her termination probably was influenced by this small circle of groomers who did not really have her best interest at heart. But you never know you are being groomed when you are in the middle of it. Too bad Yuri threw away her opportunity at Phase

>>49191099
Nah, Rie confirmed those teasers as invaders.

>>49172831
>Do you just assume that all these chubas are stupid and don't read or understand the contracts that they sign?
NTA but that seems like a pretty reasonable default assumption. Most people are like that anyway, and we're talking about primarily 20-something women who aren't required to have a degree.

>>49173591
holy ESL

>>49182052
This isn't /pcg/, tabs-chama

>>49193350
dunking on the talent before she can say anything about it, nijinigger mentality

>>49191448
I had the thought too. Would be amazing, but she hasn't given any signs of stopping her indie gig any time soon.

>>49192501
I recognize them and Peari, who's the other one?
also obligatory mention https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZxS6qlzON4

>>49192517
i'd say the latter is already happening. pretty much everyone has noticed how successful pippa is,now we're seeing menhera and schizo chuubas slowly trickling in.
some genuinely insane/mentally ill (shondo), some that think being obnoxious tryhards will have them rubbing shoulders with phase talents/cash in on their audience (that rune bunnura dramanigger that skinwalks pippa and tenma)
in which case, we simply need to gatekeep harder. we only love real menheras here.

>>49194092
Nina

>>49192517
The second will always happens in any part of the entertaining industry. Once something works other people will try to copy to get a quick buck and we already saw this with the seiso era post-Myth debut. It's completely unavoidable so not much reason to care that hard about it, just hope that it doesn't lead to a Roa situation.

>>49168034
>Sign away your IP (possibly a prerequisite to join)
Rrat, no proof.

>>49168794
>And we've seen with Yuri that this is exactly what happens to Invaders.
A single data point is no proof. It's something that happened exactly once, that's it.

Damn. Some Phase-haters in this thread. The reality of the matter is that Lumi and Yuri saw value in being part of a corpo, otherwise they would have remained independent after Cyberlive. It's very simple, if you want to have no boss, no rules, no contracts, stay indie, don't join any corpo. This doesn't need to be argued indefinitely. It's the same reason some people became entrepreneurs (indies) and establish their own business, and some prefer to be wagies (employees) of a company until retirement.

>>49194407
>Roa situation
???

>>49194453
>Rrat, no proof.
Do you not know what "possibly" means?
>>49194453
>A single data point is no proof
1 out of 2 points. Don't act like this is some research paper.
>Some Phase-haters in this thread
How do you think we know about this in the first place? I like the talents. I'm just not dumb enough to trust a company because some 2d anime woman who can't leave without losing everything still stick around.

>>49194528
Roa from Nijisanji got into a controversy with Meiro, one of her kouhai, back in mid/late 2020 when the latter started copying her mannerisms and verbal ticks. It's a very old yab at this point and there's a bunch of info online, but it ended with Meiro being fired and Roa entering an indefinite hiatus since then and only coming back in late 2021 to announce she hired a lawyer but then never coming back after.

>>49194696
Ahh, it's Niji. That's why I didn't know about it. That does sound weird af tho.

>>49194528
Psychotic menhera meets autistic retard and they basically killed eachother
Meiro was a fast-rising new talent and Roa got upset that she had similar mannerisms to her. She DMed her about this but Meiro refused to stop, saying that it was her natural speech. Roa decided to tell Niji managers to get Meiro to stop, and they actually fucking listened to her and contacted Meiro who blew a fucking gasket and went completely scorched earth on them by contacting Narukami and telling him everything.
It resulted in Meiro being terminated and Roa going on a forever hiatus and refusing to return until Nijisanji gets Narukami in court and """""proves""""" that she isn't a bully

>>49172274
Gen1 was really an experiment, with a random cast of characters that surprisingly worked, and kept the company afloat.
Gen2 was great because everything feels more consistent; the models are great with many toggles, they all have background music, loading screens, etc., and all are good singers, so they can produce music and get into the "idol" market.
I don't think Phase needs a lot more members, but if they plan on launching Gen3 following the same steps of Gen2, I see no problem. In fact it's kinda exciting to see because surely they have learned from Gen1 and Gen2, so Gen3 can only be better; at least that's the expectation.

And if you can poach a few gems here and there (Invaders), like Lumi, then it's great.

>>49194811
It was. According to the Anycolor 4-page long statement Meiro never showed any of these mannerism during her interviews before debut but for some reason she decided to copy Roa when she started streaming. The funniest part of all of this is that Meiro after being fired released a rape voice pack about a "Noa" from "Nigosango" or something like that.

>>49160062
HoloEN is completely dead bro.

>>49194662
they let nasa get away with single digit streams a year. besides telling them not to become a bunch of pipkins I think they're pretty lenient

>>49194662
>>49168794
>And we've seen with Yuri that this is exactly what happens to Invaders.
How can you say this is what happens to "Invaders" (plural), when there's only been two Invaders ever? Fucking stupid logic. What happens if there is one more Invader that joins and then quits, and doesn't lose her model? Then what? Are you going to the math and calculate the ratio? "In 33% of cases the Invader loses her model." Fucking embarrassing that you are considering this.
Stay away from corporations if you don't want to be beholden to corporation rules (legally binding contracts), it's as simple as that.

>>49163936
Don't forget that the chinchilla got rejected because she was apparently not motivated enough

>>49195527
>They don't care if you stream a lot
This doesn't speak about their leniency about contracts at all. We know no details.
>>49194662
>>49194662 (me)
>say this is what happens to "Invaders" (plural),
Don't act like I said that. You were saying she's only 1 data point as if 1 it isn't half. We don't know what will happen. With Yuri leaving we do know is it's no longer known if an invader owns their model and if she gets fired then all their shit can disappear. I don't know how the new invaders will fair but if they're dumb enough to sign away their model then fish is going to take it.

>>49195527
>They don't care if you stream a lot
This doesn't speak about their leniency about contracts.
>>49195596
>>49194662 (You) (me)
>say this is what happens to "Invaders" (plural),
Don't act like I said that. You were saying she's only 1 data point as if 1 it isn't half. We don't know what will happen. With Yuri leaving we do know is it's no longer known if an invader owns their model and if she gets fired then all their shit can disappear. I don't know how the new invaders will fair but if they're dumb enough to sign away their model then fish is going to take it.

>>49164233
>Doesn't have the tree rat as his osh ihttps://streamable.com/gr7zt0

>>49196227
Sorry typo, https://streamable.com/gr7zt0

>>49160017
Probably at the en concert in July. But who knows.

Why does everyone act like losing her 'character' was a huge deal for yuri?
She revived with a pre-made model on the same day of her farewell video and carried over all her paypiggies. Meaning she lost almost nothing income-wise, other than the cash needed to get another model.

>>49159543
Its that purple Pippa

>>49196906
>She lost 4 vtuber models excluding the ones she made.
>She's paid out of her own pocket for the rerig of her old model and many updates to old and new models
>Lost all her assets and art she paid for from before her redesign including overlays, music, skebs, etc.
>Lost her following
>Lost all her content, including things made before she joined phase
>Lost her sponsorships
>Lost her identity which she's said on stream that she considered Yuri more of her real self than her IRL self including associating Yuri with being her real name more.
>Lost plenty of things that used to never belong to phase.
I'd say she lost a lot. This is my issue with vtuber agencies and also why I think vtubers should never spend a dime on themselves if they're in a company to avoid loss.

>>49195985
Complete and utter speculation. Rrat.

>>49194092
Moonjelly
Nina Saotome (pic)
Lumi
Peari

>>49196906
Because of communism; company bad, the individual good, regardless of other circumstances like a legally binding contract.

People really should take responsibility for themselves. If they decide that a corporation is worth it, then go ahead, but otherwise you have to stay independent and be responsible for your own success or failure.

>>49196906
i dont see why this is a thing anyways. seems like a lose-lose situation, except the threat of the talent losing her shit if she doesnt stay, enforcing closer company integration

>>49159657
bigiftrue

>>49159543
Koopa is in

>>49159543
phase antis are in the mud

>>49198560
>communism
>the individual good
This is the most retarded thing I heard today.
Being in the legal right does not mean you're in the moral right. We're viewers. Why should we care about the company and not the chuuba we like? Niji is in the legal right to give 1-3% of the merch cut to the talents. You can't say that that isn't a shitty deal while being 100% contract legal.
>>49198643
It's a thing because it protects company assets and companies like that. A vtuber can't leave(eg for solo or a better contract) without losing a lot to everything. A vtuber has strong bias to look on the bright side. A vtuber has less leverage to negotiate her contract. And it works. just look at hololive, niji, or any other of 99% of corpos that keep the model.

>>49200635
always

>>49159543
there better be some cunny

Enjoy getting annihilated when you're backstabbed by the Zhangs. Literally fucking VShojo had more honor because if you joined as an indie you still legally keep your IP.

>>49201587
The vtuber can read the terms of the contract when they sign up. Nobody is forcing anybody to sign anything, and the talent can walk away and stay indie if they have an issue. There is not a single (non-retarded) company that would give a talent a contract that lets them keep all the benefits of being an indie while nullifying the drawbacks with the benefits of being a corpo, and this extends further than the vtubing industry. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

>>49196906
Because unlike an ordinary corporate vtuber where the company owns the rights to the IP, Yuri LEGALLY owned her IP. That's her deal with Cyberlive. And she got scammed. Now everything she worked for had been wiped out. When a fucking whorehouse like VShojo is better, you're dealing with a corrupt company. But then again, what did you expect from a company run by a Zhang?

>>49203358
The difference was that Yuri was Deceived. Invaders was advertised as like Phase's VShojo-equivalent, but turns out it is not.

>>49203358
Why are you replying to me? Which part did you read? Did you decide to skip over shitty 1% cut contracts exist and make up a perfect contract with no downside as a strawman?

>>49203553
Henri I wish you find happiness in life so you can stop shitting up this board

>>49203654
Is this "perfect contract with no downside" in the room with us right now you fag? Are you as illiterate as these vtubers who are supposedly being "deceived" by virtue of being so incapable of reading that they somehow are unaware of the terms they are signing into?

>>49203553
>le deceived and scammed

>>49203553
>Yuri was deceived
You must think so little of yuri huh?

>>49203892
>Is this "perfect contract with no downside" in the room with us right now you fag?
Yes, you talked about it here as a strawman >>49203358
>Are you as illiterate as these vtubers who are supposedly being "deceived" by virtue of being so incapable of reading that they somehow are unaware of the terms they are signing into?
What part of shitty contracts exist do you not understand, you phase mod shill? Can you not comprehend a corporation low balling an employee as a not good thing? If I sign a contract to work 1 cent an hour do you label the company as a good company? No, that company is shitty to pay people 1 cent an hour, even if the people are dumb enough to agree to it. 1 cent an hour is an exaggeration but do you understand my point?

>>49198291
>vtubers should never spend a dime on themselves if they're in a company to avoid loss.
Selenbros...

>>49203553
Have you prepared your rope and bucket for the Pippa / kson collab yet?

>>49172300
Lia had to reschedule her meet and greet from the 19th, so probably then. Doing it around the same time as Idol who heavily shill ads on YouTube would be suicide.
>>49160270
Monkey will be in Gen3
>>49193351
Again, none of them look familiar. The whole point of invaders is to come in as their existing character, not a shitty premade. Rie is talking shit.

>>49181292
>What can they do that they haven't done yet?
Streaming clearly isn't enough so the talents have to try other types of content? This is up to the talents themselves of course, but a creative director for the whole EN branch would help.

>>49205461
So Rie is stupid and has no idea what she is talking about?

>>49205503
>So Rie is stupid
Yes.

>>49205503
The whole point of Invaders is familiarity, none of them look like anyone people know.
Whilst there is an argument that could be made that fishman wanted them to redebut with new models from the start rather than later on, auditions closed in February and they took a few months to sort that, there's no time to make new models for them.

>>49205561
Why should I believe you over the person who is directly interacts with Invaders?
>>49205613
>auditions closed in February
Auditions for gen3, you dumb fuck.

>>49205759
And invaders. The audition was the same.

>>49205789
Invaders are pretty clearly just nepotism hires.

>>49205829
yeah of course but like I said something is very off here with the models
if it becomes rather clear that invaders was already decided prior to February people are gonna get pissed off
also Dizzy wouldn't count as an invader if they can't use the slugma model

>>49205789
nigga, anyone can join at any time, just like lumi and yuri did

>>49203202
And 3 of vshojo's biggest talents, that vshojo invested a bunch if money on, just left the company the first chance they got.
What's your reason for even posting this?

>>49203202
PC literally does not give a fuck about the CCP and works with a Taiwanese company for the AR model stuff, plus Uruka is from there.

>>49160186
She was in AkioAir's audition line up, so she has been applying to corpos and I wouldn't be surprised.

>>49205920
They only showed 3 silhouettes, not the whole gen in one picture. They are clearly Invaders.
>yeah of course but like I said something is very off here with the models
The main perk of Invaders program is the fact that you can bypass auditions and join PC right away. It might be a new strategy to avoid nepotism bias in normal auditions.

>>49206179
I can accept if fishman wanted different models for ownership reasons but then that'd mean due to the time scales involved, invader auditions that closed for February would need to be for later this year (around the time the Tsunderia girls are able to join by the way).
>not the whole gen in one picture
considering how many are in PC that's not to say they are doing it for example 3 in Gen 3 + 2 invaders

>>49205289
>If I sign a contract to work 1 cent an hour do you label the company as a good company?
Unironically yes?
They must be doing something right if they're getting people to sign up for cheap. Just means that those people value that 1 cent per hour more than what they have right now.

Unless you mean that a corpos "good"-ness is measured by how much money they throw at their employees regardless of how much it makes sense profit-wise. Then you're no different than the people who hate on mom and pop shops because they can't afford to pay their employees $20/hour to bag items while cheering on mega corpos who just outpay the competition.

>>49205355
At least the people who left VShojo kept their IP. But Invaders does not.

>>49206394
>invader auditions that closed for February
Just because they were closed in February, doesn't mean new models weren't already commissioned.

>>49206464
>They must be doing something right if they're getting people to sign up for cheap
I think you seriously underestimate just how stupid or plain desperate people can be in this industry. Even the most infamous black companies out there or notoriously incompetent ones still get applicants.

>>49206179
>avoid nepotism
You're kidding right? Most of phase is nepotism and moonjelly (speculated likely invader) would also be nepotism.

>>49206464
>Unironically yes
You are a faggot. Just because they can get away with it doesn't make them morally good. Taking advantage of a idiot doesn't make you good just because you make a profit.
>Comparing 1 cent/hour to a mom and pop paying $20/hour
Beyond faggot.

>>49206549
hopefully they don't look as bad as the new lemon whore then

>>49159543
if fishman never hired any of the actual phase friends who interact and collab with talent people are gonna be pissed and feel so let down by the process

>>49206589
Slugma is also personal friends with Fishman

>>49206589
>doesn't make them morally good
>mom and pop paying $20/hour
Must be rough not having proper reading comprehension.

>>49206649
Turns out most of the people Phasefags actually want were either never interested at all, or got put off of the idea when the retards started spamming their socials begging them to join the company

>>49206601
I miss old Lumi so much

>>49206589
>You're kidding right? Most of phase is nepotism and moonjelly (speculated likely invader) would also be nepotism.
Three talented people wants to join your company. You know them, talents know them, but they want new characters (for obvious reasons). You are planning to release new gen 3 (6 slots), which has balanced set of talents/skills/personalities.
Here is the problem:
1.) Those three will just take the slots away from other people.
2.) It's throws off your gen balance or presentation you were going for.
So why not release the mini-gen of those nepotism hires first?

>>49206561
Or you overestimate how much they care. If they want to join, they would have to pass an audition and put their PL to rest. Resurrecting PL can be as if you started anew - old fans are mostly gone and new fans will follow if they want to.

>>49206949
Must be rough needing to post bait on a mongolian basket weaving forum.
>they can't afford to pay their employees
Every company can afford to pay more than 1 cent/hour. It is an obvious low ball shitty deal. Just because someone is idiot enough to accept and the company makes a profit doesn't make the company morally good. In fact they would be known as a black company because of their shitty underpayment. They would be a bad company.

>>49207097
They can use nepotism. I don't care and I agree it's beneficial. My main point is that invaders was definitely not to "avoid nepotism"

>>49207305
>avoid nepotism bias in normal auditions
I will choose to believe that you are baiting since there's no way you are actually this retarded

>>49207422
Did you you miss my "not"?

>>49206982
now if only spidermom would come along too. I want her and shiina to hag rant.

>>49208435
Poachbeggars have basically ensured that Amiya will never join the company

>>49167187
to be honest the yuri situation was justified, why would you let someone join your company and gain some benefits while having no control over them? they can just fuck around them leave unscarred

>>49205829
vshojo is worse