/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>49143705
She also could be talking about vshojo's cut, meaning that she had an even bigger cut in hololive

>2%ji3%ji

>>49143705
Holo members have to put their own money into funding their merch. Niji members don't.

>>49143870
the two ways to read this are

>i used to have a 50% cut and i bitched about it, now i have an even better cut, so lucky
or
>i used to bitch about my current 50% cut but damn i am lucky compared to nijislaves

any other reading is esl

>>49143940
try again nijifag

>>49143940
No, they don't for most merchs.

>>49143940
That's optional, and when they do they get 100% of the profits.

>>49143870
Retard learn to read

>>49143940
>Holo members have to put their own money into funding their merch
fucking dumbass nigger right here folks.

>>49143940
Anon for most shit the manufacture cost of the merch is usually 5%-10% of the sales value, *maybe* higher if you're selling something with tech components or stuff like Lamy's wine. So we're talking effective about 45% return after the manufacture cost.

>>49143870
Seriously, imagine bitching about 50% share...
Think about it, if holomems got bugger share than 50% then it's no wonder aqua, shion, ayamae and gura treat streaming as hobby.

>>49144028
The second reading is the only one that makes sense.

>>49144028
>>49144234
>i used to bitch about my current 50% cut
If we interpret like this then yes that would imply it was bigger in hololive

>>49144303
I'm a holofag but this is actually true sometimes. Lamy's talked about going to the red for the month for funding her merch. That being said they get most of the profits so its better for them in the long term

>>49144441
No it wouldn't. The tweet means she used to have a 50% cut, and she currently has a better than 50% cut, and she is happy about it.

>>49144404
Maybe we shouldn't have bought all those multiple dino guras...

>>49143705
So this means Niji corpo fanboys are just going to spend another week shitting up other threads and harassing people instead of just supporting their streamers....

>>49144441
>the made up quote that wasn't in any tweet proves I'm not a retarded esl

>>49144448
Was she talking about her alcohol?
Because that's probably her own thing entirely.

Oh noo
There will be blood-shed
It’s the only thing I’ve ever known

>>49144404
i mean, for those that buy the merch in an attempt to exclusivly support their ochi, having half of it being "stolen" by the company feel like a lot and would wish it was around 75%

>>49144448
that depends on the merch if its something they want to be made, but if its an event, birthday, 3D, etc. The company is paying for it and they get 50% which is fair.

>>49144385
Keep in mind Nijis were openly bragging that AnyKara owned their own production line for their merch or some dumb thing. Which means Nijisanji is spending even less for production costs meaning the 99% they collect is Banana Republic levels of disparity.

Don't even get me started on trying to figure out what the hell Nijisanji spends this money on because their rigging is shitty and you have to win a lottery to get a decent model update.

>>49143705
Yo, was Kekson always like this or did she had a mental breakdown at some point?
She ain't normal

>>49144824
it's called talent freedom

>>49143705
She could be saying that her intial vshojo contract was 50% but she has renegotiated the terms and her contract gives her more than 50% of the merch sales. So not necessarily anything at all about the numbers in hololive.

Not saying that is likely, just that you can't take this as confirmation about what % hololive gets from their merch

>>49144565
>>49144630
Actual ESLs here folks
>I used to bitch about 50% being low but wtf
>damn im so lucky
She used to bitch about her cut being low, but now she recognizes how lucky she is
now go back to your mudhuts vineswingers

>>49143870
So what you are telling us is that Kson did in fact have issues with Vshojo and that she is actively unhappy in there? And she also shilled vshojo pretending it was perfect? Just making sure we are on the same page here

>>49144824
considering her pl acc., this is a norm for her, pretty based tho.

>>49144770
Also AnyKara still has ties with China, so their "production line" is probably children in a Chinese sweatshop.

>>49144950
fucking ESL monkey learn to read

>>49143705
There's no way they can get 50%. Most of the cost goes to actually producing the product. I can see a 50/50 split with the company after subtracting production costs.

>>49144580
But my dog keep humping the new plushie each time buy one!
>>49144732
Well yeah.
Still, the fact that holomems got salary is enough to make up for that, i think.

>>49144950
yep but at the same time, she cant say anything bad about it, since you know, she's a part of the company.

If more members leave, she'll probly go aswell. Idk how nazuna would react to that.

>>49143870
35% according to Cover report. 50% for VShojo is correct.

>>49144947
Anon you literal retard if her cut was worse now she would not say "damn I am so lucky". People don't say that about situations that have changed for the worse. It means her situation now is better than it was previously, meaning her cut is higher than 50% now.

>>49145085
I think that's the assumption.
Nobody should ever be talking splits until all the costs are taken out.

>>49143705
> Light mode

>>49145118
Then why was kson bitching about it?
Clearly 50% is bigger than 35%.

>>49145096
oh i dont disagree, its a good deal, especially considering the cut get higher when the girl is directly funding the merch
i would argue that hololive do love their talent enough to not scam them

>>49143870
>Kson
>Bitching about Vshojo
Really?

>>49143940
Share some of that shill money with your niji oshi, she needs it

>>49145138
Are you for real?
She was comparing 50% to 2%.

>>49143705
hello niji fans! i am selling copium! 2% of the profit will go to your niji oshi!

>>49145138
ESL

>>49143705
kson wouldn't be satisfied unless the split was 100% to the creator and 0% to the company. she's a fucking retarded narcissist who apparently doesn't think the people working behind the scenes deserve to put food on the table.

>>49145118
link?

>>49145208
because VShojo offers less benefits, makes sense to negotiate for better rates.

>>49145138
These are the people arguing with you on vt

>>49144770
>their rigging is shitty and you have to win a lottery to get a decent model update.
this, for how much people bitch about corpo rigging versus high profile indies, i swear every hololive rigging on debut has more range in many aspects than niji.

>>49145424
in his head,

>>49145118
you might want to check what that number is for, 35% is the quoted percentage for SC and membership (jewtube takes 30%, then the rest is split evenly so 35% to Cover and 35% to the talent).

>>49145419
They don't, Kson is bigger than anyone at Vshojo

>>49143928
Holy blacked

>kson casually leaking the cut of either hololive or vshojo
If she wasn't an esl she would be in trouble now

>>49143870
For VShojo I once heard 85% talent, 15% company for merch.

But it's a mystery how real that is.

>>49145138
Holy ESL. Your assertion is true if she said "damn I WAS so lucky" which she didn't. She was saying she IS lucky NOW not that she WAS lucky in THE PAST.
I don't care what time is it now, call your English teacher and apologize for what a failure you are.

>>49143928
Underrated post.

>>49145616
I love that holomems can just turn off superchat function.

>>49145118
Are you talking about this?

>>49145138
The average nijinig can't actually be this retarded right?
RIGHT?

>>49145138
>esl
>call native speakers esl because he cant understand what they are talking
many such cases

>>49145797
>>49145531
InHisHeadBro...

>50% being low
What the fuck is kekson smoking

>>49145881
so do you know how to read the infograph? or not

>>49145797
You cannot possibly be this retarded, maybe try adding those percentages together

>>49145716
For what? Putting her ex employer in a good light compared to the competition?

So when will she fucking share her hololive money with the indies? You also don't share it, do you?

Sick of rich e-celebs virtue signalling tweets. You are also a corporate nigger at this point, kson.

>>49145138
Yikes

>>49145958
Cope

>>49145898
Its probably the split of the net profit.

>>49145958
Seriously, if i'm a liver and kson over me 50% share. I would jump ship.

>>49145898
There are contractors for indie vtubers that do 70%. An actual company should be even higher.

>>49145898
50% is standard starting

>>49145797
if like that 35% is the cut cover get

>>49145797
that cover report is profit the "company make" after cut from expenses and talents IP, the report are for the company side not the talent side

>>49145950
The percentage in that graphic is about how much % of the revenue the service is from the entire revenue.

It has nothing to do with the revenue split with the talent.

>>49145958
>damn that cut was shit but maybe it isn't actually that shit in hindsight
Not sure if this what you consider good light

>>49144028
Okay, so this means
>she used to have a lower-than-50-percent cut in Hololive
>now she currently has a bigger (50%) cut in VShojo
>but she thought that even this wasn't big enough for her at first
>then she finds out that Nijis only get a 1-2% cut
>damn i am so lucky.jpg
Right?
assuming she wasn't retarded enough to take a LOWER cut moving to VShojo, of course. If she really did that in exchange for muh talent freedom, then ogey

>>49145797
This infograph informs the percentages of covers earnings, meaning 35% of their earnings come from merch
When you add them all they become 100%

>>49146066
it usually is but you can't be sure for such high margin product

>>49145716
Isn't she originally American

>>49146100
Lmao, niji is actually the normal company in this scenario, that's standard in the entertainment biz. The companies that give a cut bigger than 20% are abnormalities, hololive is the fucking holy grail, saying 50% regardless of it being about hololive or vshojo is insane

>>49144112
Did he get vacationed for this?

>>49143705
read again
>she IS lucky now (for the 50%)
so she gets 50% now
>but she used to bitch about it
so she used to get more than 50% before on holo

>>49146425
>hololive is the fucking holy grail,
Sure thing bro

>>49144441
Nobody talks like that ESL-kun

>>49145797
>>49143870
lmao

>>49146219
It's possible that Hololives cut on merch is even better than Vshojo's outside of self-produced products because that's basically the only source of income Vshojo has.

>>49143870
Hololive maybe gives 5% to 10% for generic merch and people are far too optimistic if they believe a Japanese corpo would be generous on the merch split. Kson is still under NDA so none of her tweets are going to refer to hololive merch.

>>49143940
Yeah thats why talent has input on the merch and its not the same cheap plasticky acrillic stands for everyone.

>>49146425
>hololive is the fucking holy grail
Anon getting 1-2% cut on merch profits is not normal, it's downright abuse what's happening to the livers

>>49144441
Cover also acts as a coushen if they actually go in the red, watame during her og song rush said that she was in the red but it's fine because hololive covered her cost and it will be payed back later.

>>49146197
Only retards like Kson think that 50% is a bad split, considering you get none of the risks.

>>49146711
Why would she bitch about 50% if she got 5%?

>>49146679
Yeah, anon, I agree. Also, now that I got to think more about it, she would've had other reasons to move out of Holo anyway, which could've made it worth taking the (lower) 50 percent in VShojo

>>49146711
ah yes, the hololive also do this cope.

>>49145716
She talked about it as Coco, newfag

>>49146740
Seriously, even holostars feels like charity project.

>>49146731
It's normal in the entertainment biz anon, it's a black industry and not even massive celebrities get more than 20%, and anycolor is just following the norm. Which is why everyone says the cut for hololive is insanely generous.

>>49146862
Aside from superchats, she never gave a clear number on how much she got from merch

>>49146003
wtf are you talking about?

>>49146711
NDAs don't work like that. If someone breaks it, you can sue for damages, no provable damage, no compensation.

Fauna Deflection Thread #28928

>>49146219
It means she had a 50% cut in Hololive
She still thought that the company was taking a massive amount with that arrangement
She moved to Vshojo where she has a greater-than-50% cut
Upon realizing that there are companies where the talent only gets 2% she realizes how lucky she is

This thread is an ESL magnet and none of them understand everyday English phrases like saying that you're lucky, so just listen to me, I'm an EOP burger.

>>49143705
How much do they pay for production and distribution?

>>49146711
Your woke Amerimutt corpos like Marvel Disney DC only pay their creators like comic artists little amount of money. They are always even starving on your mutt Twatter. The fuck are you even talking about, ignorant cretin.

KSON shitposting on twitter now confirms things. Vshojo isn't a company and she is indie with zero downsides. Remember when she was crying about weebs? No way they get 50% from merch.

>>49144448
True sometimes is not the same as "It's like that" ffs.

>>49143705
She's talking about the SC cut, she openly talked about it on stream before, you know, graduating

>>49144723
kek, based dramanigger

>>49147235
Cope, Marvel can do no wrong at all

>>49146839
Well two reasons are that she can produce her own merch and sell it for 100% and she doesn't have to give a cut for SC.
But I don't think she left Holo for Vshojo since that came way later anyway.

You can really tell the region nijisisters are from that they think 1 percent is generous and will do anything to defend it.

>>49147121
Make sense, after all vshojofag always said vshojo management merch are solely profit for them, while the talents produce merch they get 100% profit

>>49145012
If it's apparel like T-shirts and random textile shit it's probably bangladesh nowadays, but trinkets and accessories are likely sourced from china.

>>49145012
To be honest with you anon, that's the same with literally any company. Even hololive still likely produces merch out of China because mass manufacturing isn't profitable in countries that aren't complete shit holes

List of Nijisanji retarde decisions
>Over saturation of any market they enter with diminishing returns
>Offering no support confirmed by multiple talents
>expanding into other regions with no plan and then declaring said markets do not support Vtubers only to be proven wrong by other companies who overwhelmingly succeed
>killing their own doujin and fangame community by threatening them
>ripping off their own talents in merch sales stifling any creativity

>>49147121
>>49147294
Yeah now I'm thinking the analysis of this tweet is reaching JFK assassination-tier
Because even among native speakers, the second tweet gives way to different interpretations but we have relatively little evidence to go off on
I should know because I'm also a native speaker, but not American

>>49147394
In those countries, your shipment won't be ransacked right? right?

>>49147273
merch cut was also pretty good. She mentioned that she got quite a lot from her first Coco merch (クソザコshirt), when she was still unmonetized.

And Yagoo mentioned something about a lot of the merch revenue going to the talents.
I actually think Cover is more aiming towards making stuff like holo-earth, and licensing deals, etc. their main revenue. Basically turning hololive more into a media franchise + a talent agency.

>>49143705
2% is way too low, but kson is once again proving that she's totally retarded. You can't compare percentages if you don't know what the base is.

>>49147499
List? That's more like the tip of the iceberg.

>>49143705
is this why nijisanji, EN especially seem like a bunch of seething bullies? they're mad that their rivals are living better?

>>49147457
Even Coco merch was made in China. The issue is depending on the goods you have to consider a lot for production and logistics. Storing all the goods also costs money.
Cover produces much more different goods with small numbers, so they probably pay much more for production and logistics. 50% wouldn't be manageable.

>>49147457
Made in China, sure, but the quality is decent, at least what I bought is. It's not the landfill tier shit Niji mass produces.

>>49147555
>Basically turning hololive more into a media franchise + a talent agency.
Hololive is a talent agency, anon.
It become like this because of sora and a-chan.
That is why all holomems respect sora. Even someone like calliope "idol culture is le bad" mori, Kneel in front of sora and said that idol is great.

>>49147235
The problem of comics is that you don't get a cut from adaptations in form of royaltie. The base salary of working on a comic is actually good.

>>49147274
Dumb woke cretin. That's why your Amerimutt comics are absolutely beaten the shit out of by manga and apolitical comic creators become very poor, are exploited by stupid and greedy woke editors/excurtives.

>>49147555
Royalties and sponsorship deals is definitely the way to go when it comes to this kind of stuff, there's only so much merch they can sell even if japs love collecting stuff.

>>49147499
>claiming to be so creative and diverse then either beating down their talents so they fit into a box, graduate, or become to dangerous to fire(Pomu)
>giving away incomplete models then forcing talents to go through a lottery to get updates
>canceling concerts with no refunds
>Lulu graduation
>Roa
>actively antagonizing dramatubers
>encourages a clique culture where talents bully other talents
>permissions bullshit so bad most talents just end up playing Genshin or APEX

>>49147611
I am working on it. Don't even get me started on my schizo theory that Aloe's harrassement was organized by Nijisanji in an effort to beat down a surging Hololive only for Holo EN to bootyblast them into the stratosphere.

>>49147906
Cute newfag esl

>>49147906
Oh noe not the Aloe Nijinigger boogeyman cope. She was easily the most anti-unicorn member ever to join Hololive.

>>49147750
Yeah, if you don't use third world countries for manufacturing, you use prison labor instead which is arguably just as bad. The worst part is that manufacturing shit is expensive even in China. It adds up quickly and there's a ton of potential for loss unless you sell out the merch or are too big to fail. Believe me, I tried.

>>49147906
> Don't even get me started on my schizo theory that Aloe's harrassement was organized by Nijisanji
This is not even a schizo theory, they weren't even remotely subtle about it.

>>49147357
That's not correct. Vshojo's income is from merch and sponsorships, but they do not take *all* of the money from merch and sponsorships. The streamers still get paid when Vshojo sells merch and arranges sponsorships. Vshojo just takes a portion for making the deals. That's what talent agencies do.
>>49147512
There isn't much up for interpretation unless you are misunderstanding it. She used to have a 50% cut (in Hololive), it's better now, she feels lucky. I don't get what's confusing about it.

>>49148006
>you use prison labor instead which is arguably just as bad.
What?
I think it's better to work dem lazy ass criminals.

>>49147764
Kinda debatable honestly? Like don't get me wrong the merchandise itself is better than acrylic stands but I've heard less than stellar things about some of the merchs quality. I think it was one of the gura plushs that I remember hearing about how poorly it was held together and how it felt cheap. Like one of those stuffed animals you win at a carnival

>>49148134
What I meant was that it could be interpreted at least two ways, based on what the other anons here are saying:
>She used to have 50% in Hololive and it's better in VShojo (which I actually agree with, since it makes sense)
>Hololive's cut used to be better, but she settled for VShojo's 50%, balked at it at first, but now says damn I am so lucky (which is, at least for me, also plausible)
Though I also admit that I might be lacking critical information she may have said in the past

>>49148136
Ehhhhhh I guess for me it depends on what you went to jail for. Like if you got sent to prison for selling weed and then like a year later weed got legalized in your area and the corner you used to sell on now has a dispensary but you're still serving another like 9 years, I guess I don't think it's right that you should have to make shitty impact meme t shirts sold for $5 at Walmart

>>49148300
Maybe it's branch dependant, then, I bought some Towa merch and it's honestly pretty impressive.

>>49147985
Every single nijinigger is the most two faced lying piece of shit I have had the displeasure of interacting with. They would stab you in the back and claim you fell on your own knife. It would be better to cut off their fingers and tongues then let them speak their poison into the air. They are like a horde of cockroaches. They harass their own talents then backflip to defend the company. Their fanbase deserves only the worst. I pray their talents get out from under such a black organization who wants nothing but to destroy vtubing.

The shamelessness of their lying and false argumentation is absolutely abhorrent. The second anyone dares to challenge them they shriek announcing they are the victim, if you defend a target of theirs they insist you are bullying them, to even refer to Nijisanji in a negative light will earn you their eternal scorn and they will not rest until you are dead.

The only good nijinigger are the ones who never leave their filthy fucking discords. To say I distaste them is an understatement Vtubing would be better without them. They have been nothing but a plague upon this industry.

You can spend a day demanding them to provide evidence for their outrageous claims only for them to concede but the next day they will return and act as though this never occurred and force you to restart from point 1. Their greatest fear is to become identified for what they are for they will shrink back in fear having been exposed as the scum they truly are.

>>49147555
That’s the plan more or less. He mentioned that tidbit about merch revenue when he was answering a question from investors on why Anycolor made more profit than Cover. He followed up by saying that the girls are encouraged to reinvest in themselves and their projects.

>>49143705
>50% is low
>We should own the models the comapny buys for us
>We shouldn't have the company controlling what we can do

How long until she goes full commie? She's so entitled it fucking hurts. Niji is shit but holy fuck she thinks 50% on fucking merch is a bad deal.

>>49143705
>>49143870
She is obviously talking about vshojo, she said her cut improved recently.

>>49147750
50% would refer to profits after all costs are taken into account.

>>49147499
>killing their own doujin and fangame community by threatening them
This part is probably the most retarded one from Niji, a company that is based in Japan. Vtuber industry thrives on doujins and community-made content. How fucking retarded you have to be to not understand that? Even unnamed-canadian-videogame-company knows their community better. Didn't Riku, i don't know, grow up consuming anime/manga content?

>>49148430
Come on, the cost of these criminals living expenses on prison should be enough to justify that.
Most countries literally bleeding money on prison.

>>49143705
They pay for the merch idea and the first production steps, then the company pay for the mass production. Talent gets a big cut and the company too, think that some merch has generates at least a million, that means 500K for the talent(minus taxes and that shit) . In niji the company does everything, the talent is just the pretty face that shills it, but 1-2% is a fucking shit anyways

>>49148613
>Didn't Riku, i don't know, grow up consuming anime/manga content?
Probably not.
He genuinely look like that guy who bully the mc on kdrama.

>>49147906
>>49147499
https://rentry.org/exx63

>>49148449
It very well could be, it's always a mixed bag whenever you buy anything produced by sweatshop labor though. I've had shit last me a long time and shit fall apart within a week.
Even unrelated to vtuber merch but I've had so many pairs of Walmart wranglers tear in the crotch when I'm hopping up on a drilling rig that it's not even funny. The worst part is they've been increasing the price on them steadily but they're the same shitty Chinese manufacturing every time. I try to avoid buying merch most days unless it's bday merch because I've been let down by the quality of the shit I've received. Cocos birthday jacket was honestly one of the worst feeling pieces of merch I ever got, not gonna lie. I bought it solely to support her but boy the quality was shit

>>49143928
KEK

>>49143928
Well played anon

>>49148723
Is it confirmed that the 1-2% is a cut from profit or is it calculated from whole cost?

ESL here.
Her tweet only says she had 50% cut in the past and was unhappy about it.

It doesn't definitively mean:
- she has a bigger cut now;
- she had her 50% cut during her Hololive days;
- she had her 50% cut after she joined VShojo.

Any of the points above can only be inconclusively predicted.

What's pretty clear, though, she is definitely shitting on Kurocolor for their 1%-2%™.

>>49148613
Nijisanji didn’t want any competition within their own IP. When they did their DLSite collab, they released grossly overpriced ASMR packs and forced the platform to remove non-official Nijisanji products. Along with this, they told the company to censor any of the usual sales data that they show.

>>49143705
she lied her friend about the cut on vwhores, stop idolizing that bitch.

>>49149147
???

I present you, the most coherent Niji drone:
>>49149147

>>49147121
It could mean that.

Or it could be that kson possibly inferred things that she didn't mean. She's sorta ESL too, not as bad, but her English is less than perfect so I wouldn't expect her to necessarily mean everything she said as /vt/ has interpreted.

>>49148765
Should add Hex's birthday hijack by Enna, and maybe cleaned up a bit, I think the fact that Enna is a povertybaiter is repeated like 10 times.

>>49149003
>whole cost
you mean whole sales.
This is high margin product sold at 1000% of cost at the least. Even if it's 1% of sales it's still too small

>>49148586
why do people keep thinking its from the net sales No one ever uses percent of net sales to describe their cut of something its always cut of the gross profit

HOLOCHADS! TIRED OF WINNING?!

>>49149040
>Any of the points above can only be inconclusively predicted.
I believe the word you're looking for is 'assumptions', anon. But, yes, I agree with you

>>49148683
Not america though, prison labor makes about 2 billion a year in profit. That's about 1k per person employed off merch alone

>>49149003
Nothing is confirmed on how the drama nigger came to this number. He just threw it out there and this board eats it up to shit on Nijisanji.

>>49149348
That's worse then because it means 1%ji2%ji pays even less money.

>>49149457
We shit on Nijisanji because they deserve it for operating a scummy operation and having the worst fans in vtubing.

>>49149003
No it's not confirmed. We don't actually know what percentage of profit the company makes off merchandise. If the company makes 10% in profits off merch then splits that 3% with employees that's a 70/30 cut of total profits.
But we also have no clue if the numbers are even correct because everyone hated dramaniggers until anycolor attempted to do something about them and then suddenly the SEAniggers on the board started worshipping them because I guess they needed some drama to go with their pagpag

>>49149348
Gross profit is rarely every used, but profit assumes you're taking out all the costs, and we would more commonly call it net sales.
Gross demand may be what you're thinking of, but it is a concept that is primarily used by marketing since they don't care about the cost when doing marketing efforts.
For any sort of splitting deal, you don't play it based on money that doesn't exist.
Source: 10 years in marketing.

>>49149457
>it starts at 1% but it goes up
>but yeah its 1%

>>49149348
>why do people keep thinking its from the net sales
Well, care to explain how FalseEyeD pulled the number out of his ass?

>>49149739
>But we also have no clue if the numbers are even correct
Mysta already leaked it before, it was just taken as an exaggeration back then

>>49147985
>She was easily the most anti-unicorn member ever to join Hololive.
I've never understood this argument.
There are already alleged/confirmed married women at holo at that point.

>>49149745
Yeah I messed up my terminology but you get my point when people say I get x% they usually mean x% of the profit

>>49149924
Being a whore is worse than being married I'd assume.

>>49149924
Same.
Especially when dreamtubers keep saying that rushia was terminated because of the possibility that she have a boyfriend.
Like, most of choco's chat is about fans hoping choco to find a good man.

>>49149885
Number that were basically confirmed by an old clip and no one has denied?

>>49149992
Yeah, I'm saying that profit is after the cost of goods and the cost of production.

>>49149739
I am inclined to believe that the dramafag is taking this board for a ride by converting 80/20 profit split to the 1-2% cut from the entire cost.

>>49150128
That would imply fabricating bootleg acrylic stands and keychains would take 90% of the gross earnings

>>49150128
It's too late to damage control, corpolicker-kun.

>>49150243
>fabricating bootleg acrylic stands
care to show a bootleg acrylic stand?

>>49150128
You can do the math.
For a 80/20 split to be equivalent to 2%, the company would have to be giving 90% of each keychain to paying the sweat shop workers.

>>49150243
Maybe. As far as I know, 10% can be considered average margin. I would be not surprised if it was higher.

>>49150270
Only thing worse than corporations are dramafags and people who believe them without thinking. Feel free to pretend I'm defending niji it makes you sleep better.

>>49143705
She's literally posting this to attract Niji EN talents to quit and join Vshitshow. Sasuga PR bitch, you might actually get a few.

>>49150026
then they just change the definition of "unicorn" as they see fit, right?

>>49149888
Ive seen this but mysta is dumber than a sack of rocks.
You're taking the word of a guy who didn't realize you had to cook rice before you fried it and tried frying dry rice because he'd heard about how fried rice was good.

This is the same dude who went on an autistic and menhera rant because people shat on league of legends, even mystas own fans shit on him because he's menhera and about as bright as lightbulb that's about to go dead.
Mysta literally makes finana look bright, in fact during their one collab together, they played an escape simulator full of puzzles and mysta was hardcore carried by finana because he's that fucking stupid. Mysta is unironically one of the dumbest vtubers out there, you're taking the word of a dude who thought that trees didn't provide oxygen and only plants do.
I literally don't even know how mysta manages to put on his pants in the morning because I've met people with down syndrome who are somehow capable of understanding shit he doesn't

>bitching about a 50% cut.
She really is a greedy narcissistic old hag.

>>49150477
I'm here talking about mysta's and kazuha's statements.
You are defending a corporation instead of talents, even lowlife dramatubers side with talents.

>>49150518
>Vshojo becomes the vtuber retirement home
Rumao

>>49150477
It's not.
50-60% is a typical gross margin.

>>49143705
>>49143870
>>49144028
>>49144404
>>49144630

https://streamable.com/k9y6tb

>>49143940
It's opposite, Retard

>>49146954
That's not comparable at all. Movies and TV take a huge amount people to make. You can't just hand out 50% gross to the main star.

Corpo vtubing is more easily profitable because the overhead is insanely lower. That's why you don't have chubas living on the streets even with low 3 digit viewership. Riku is just being a greedy fuck is what it is.

>>49148516
Wait a second, this post feels familiar...
Based

>>49150640
its not even his statement, drama nigger. just one tweet. funny that all of you niggers generaise everything into an evil corpo narrative despite not knowing at all about the details of their other incomes and contracts.

typical amerimutt niggers way of cancel culture. for you some "victim" sounding tweets have to be all that matters even though theres no decent objective confirmation.

>>49150728
That's way higher than I would think. Are you talking about niji's or general streamer merchandize?

>>49150568
Her fans gaslit her into thingking she made EN posible.

>>49150917
Most of the first vtuber companies were insanely black as well, it only got better over time

>>49150640
>I'm here talking about mysta's and kazuha's statements.
Why? I don't think they were mentioned in the post chain at all.

>>49150771
meme reviews were kinda cringe, but I do miss them.

>>49143705
50% seems fair since the talent doesn't have to handle any logistics and that's a huge chunk if the work. (Manufacturing, qa, payment processing, customer support, etc)

goddamn 1st army is over here making a million bucks a year in merch profits alone.

>>49143705
If she is paid so well, why is she trying to be a JAV actress?

>>49152009
She might be earning a better cut but the pie was much bigger when she was still in the box.

Seems like an all our war tight now

>>49152009
>Want to do stuffs without having to ask for permissions
or
>Overestimated her situation and thought she'd have gotten the same or at least similar income, but wouldn't need to share with any agency
Take your pick. Perhaps both?

>>49143705
Nijis are proud 1%ers

>>49146954
No retard it's not normal. Stop talking like you know you stuff. You don't even have a job let alone know how the entertainment industries work, faggot.

>>49143705
Jesus

>>49153111
Are we going to pretend it isn't an incredibly jewish industry now

>>49143705
>50% of a 8% profit margin
vs
>2% of revenue
IDK, seem pretty close to me

>>49153593
>Number I made up
vs
>My IQ level
IDK, seem pretty close to me

>>49143705
What are the odds Zaion got herself fired after realizing what an absolute shitshow this company is.

>>49150728
You're not getting 60% back i can promise you.
Here's a breakdown of some of the shit

So first you have the artist royalty fees/licensing fees, this can cost you anywhere between 5-15%
Then you have the manufacturing fees which are usually about 25%-35%
Then you have the storage fees, we'll say for simplicity's sake that due to the sheer amount of merchandise anycolor has, that's 5% in china, 5% in Japan and maybe 2% in the US.
Then of course you have shipping fees, since the merchandise is made in China and shipped to Japan without anycolor charging for that, that fee is about 5-15% and only some of that is made back.
At the most you're looking at the company losing 53% gross but in reality due to the sheer amount of product that is made and due to increase in costs since COVID hit you're looking at probably a gross loss of 67%, minimum. With taxes that's probably what, an additional 10%?
I'd guess you're probably making 20% at the most off merch and that's at the most. Lowballing storage costs, manufacturing fees and artist royalties.

If we assume that 2-3% is a legitimate number you're looking at 10-15% which would be probably about right since that would be about the same as a superchat sent from mobile and if streamlabs and voice packs are sold at an equal 50/50 then you've got a number that's still lower than hololive but certainly better than an actual 2-3% with a 98-97% profit going to the the company.
I'd guess Holo/Cover probably pays 5-6% and makes a similar 20% net profit which gives the talents of hololive 25-30%. But in contrast they release way less merch and voice packs, outside of merchandise they also only have superchats since cover is retarded and still won't use streamlabs for anything other than ID.
Kson most likely makes 50% in vsj now since the merchandise likely has a lot less overhead costs as it's not nearly as mass produced and some of it even is produced in the US.

If you have any sources that prove me wrong though, I'd be interested in seeing them!

>>49143870
>Could
No, it's about Hololive

>>49153935
Artists get no royalty, that's bullshit. They are paid by commission once and done. Or do you think the character designer of a vtuber also gets a cut from the vtuber's profit?

>>49144112
Mysterio...

>>49153935
>the merchandise likely has a lot less overhead costs as it's not nearly as mass produced
That makes no sense. Merch is cheaper to produce per unit the more mass you have because of economy of scale. Selling less automatically means you make less profit per unit.

>>49154226
That is not true at all. It is very very very common for artists to take a royalty cut of merchandise if they're well established artists.

>>49154362
Yes and no, less merchandise produced means less payment for materials and labor. If you have less merchandise produced but sold at higher costs for longer periods of time then you make more money. Youre not paying for 10k pieces of merch to be made all at once, you're paying for like 1-2k at most and paying less to store that since you're looking at it taking up a lot less space in storage due to it being a smaller quantity

>>49154374
That might be true at indie level but no was that it's happening at the scale of something like hololive. They have hundreds of artists on their contact list they can choose from on their conditions and the merch is sold on their brand power, rather than the artist's. It'd make no sense for them to give artist royalties.

>>49154374
>It is very very very common for artists to take a royalty cut of merchandise if they're well established artists.
This is only true if they own the IP, with vtuber or shit like gacha they sell the IP to the companies, the big artists charge for 5 figures at the very least

>>49154510
But if you're looking at most vtuber or even anime merch it's all limited quantity and it's instantly sold out, so you dont have much storage overhead. It goes into storage and back out immediately. And there's an upper limit to how much you can charge for your merch so you can't hike up the price to match your limited run production.

>>49154374
>>49154374
>If
and a big one at that.

Also you're out of your mind if you think Anycolor would pay artist 5-15% when the actual tuber gets ~2%. But knowing Riku anything is possible.

>>49151265
Shitting on the cringe was part of the fun, the whole segment was actually just to highlight fan made content. She called it a shitpost review for a reason

>>49153935
Well artist don’t get royalties, any savvy business man increases price to sell by the manufacturing fee, I don’t know about niji but cover is made to order so storage fee is barely a cost, shipping is definitely handled by the customer, cover doesn’t have a western section for merch they are working on that, again cover handles everything in japan so that tax isn’t there, COVID didn’t affect it because it’s made to order and not moving nearly as much before.
Wrong about supers, because youtube’s cut includes the tax and if you’re not from America the flat fee is 24% which you can talk with youtube to raise or bring down.
Then proceeds to make up a number ignoring that whether 50/50 or 70/30 she has her audience split between east and west.
No need to bring up any sources because all your numbers came from your delusions.

>>49154586
Not at all, it's way more likely that a well established Japanese artist would want to negotiate a royalty fee than an indie. Some nobody in the art community might let you commission them once and accept that but most artists will want a cut

>>49154848
I will not believe you unless you provide me with proof that an artist who makes art for a big brand that they do not own gets royalties.

>>49154677
I don't know about that, I've seen and heard first hand that it's very common to have an artist want royalty/licensing fees especially if they're well established in the community.

>>49153935
I work in a company that sources it products from Chinese manufacturing.
Going to 50% COGS is really pushing it, especially looking at what they're making.
Pushing that with an additonal 20-30% in post production costs is really arguing for some corporate ineptitude especially since customers are paying the shipping.

>>49154848
And the company can simply tell them to fuck off, they can just work with an artist that will accept a one time payment. But that artist will get a consistent client that is a massively popular company, it would be like an artist refusing to do art for F/GO because they don't pay royalties

>>49154725
>>49154510
You’re either underestimating the business acumen of a man that will pay his talents 2% or you’re talking about hololive and making shit up. Holomerch for the most part is made to order and only personal signatures/messages are limited. I don’t watch niji so I don’t know if they ever mentioned selling out on birthdays but a man willing to push profits this hard wouldn’t be slipping up at the starting line.

>>49152823
The 1% must be brought down!

>>49154848
And then they’ll hire someone just as good who’s cheaper. The talent/model is selling it the artists name means nothing

>>49154929
Again, that might be true for indies but not for big corpos. There's no way it will make any monetary sense for the corpo because it never ends.
Does the vtuber's character designer get a cut on everything too then? If the merch illustrator is a different artist do they both get a cut then? Why would a corpo even accept these conditions when they could just hire someone else who works on a commission basis?
The corpo is the one holding the reigns here, it's not like indies who use the artists brand to market themselves. It's the opposite, artists want to work for hololive because they get the prestige from their brand.

>>49154788
Artists do get royalties, you're free to look it up but most artists if they're well established will want a percentage and not a flat fee. They might charge you a fee on top of that.
Also storage space even if you are made to order still exists because they likely have a flat amount of merchandise that's there before they start making more. I'd assume they probably start with about 5-10k merchandise already produced which allows them to ship out that merchandise faster, if there is a high demand for said merchandise they then have orders also being made and ready to go.
Shipping from Japan to the US is handled by the customer but keep in mind that the merchandise isn't made in Japan a lot of the time, it's made in China.
And no, from what I've heard YouTube takes 30%, on mobile you also pay 30% to the app store/Play Store, that means you're left with 40% and that's then split by you and the company which gives you 20% of the superchat.
Idk how trustworthy it is but Rin Penrose, a vtuber from idol, actually talked about this in one of her shorts.

If you would like a source for my numbers I'd be happy to provide them

>>49154929
Yes, but it's only common if you're the leading artist for that company, think granblue or dragalia, you're doing consistent art all year round. With vtubers it's different, you're only drawing a few times a year, the company will not be interested in artists that want royalties, they just want essentially a comission

>>49143705

>>49152823
>>49155089
the name of the company used to be ichi kara, anon.
and they surely support the 1% china policy.

>>49143928
Oh my god, how did I not see it before?

If they're an artist asking for commission, then you would assume that they are getting paid the same time the talent is paid. You wouldn't have that listed as a cost. You would have it as part of separate profit sharing agreement.

>>49155238
I wouldn't say that at all, look at an artist like LAM. LAM has worked with massive companies like atlus and marvelous, on projects like fate/go, tv commercials, etc etc.
You really think that someone like LAM would make merchandise for a massive company without asking for a royalty fee? I could see vtuber models being commission only and I'm sure they are, but producing merchandise for that vtuber without asking for royalties would be stupid.

>>49143705
Enough where Nijisanji regularly puts out cheap merchandise. I wish we could find the happy medium between Hololive having interesting merchandise and Nijisanji's ability to make it regularly and cheaply.

Like I love my Dino Gura, but I hate how it cost an arm and a leg to buy and months to arrive.

No I don't care about the profit margins of streamers.

>>49155192
>Artists do get royalties, you're free to look it up
The burden of proof is on you. And you have to find an example that fits this situation where a large corpo hires an artist to produce one time art for their brand, not the other way around.
>you also pay 30% to the app store
Only Apple takes the 30% cut from mobile payments. There's a whole ass lawsuit about it where Epic sued them for it but lost. But you have to factor in taxes, for example in Euro countries you take off 19% off the top as VAT for every superchat too.

>>49148516
They certainly show the characteristics of certain people, claiming 1% is normal

>>49150771
That's superchats and we already knew that one.

>>49155145
That's not really true at all. Some of the artists who work with both hololive and nijisanji are massive in name and have incredibly recognizable styles that have been used by multiple brands and companies. Even if the average overseas fan may not immediately recognize the artist, otakus and neets certainly will.

>>49145797
The 38% total revenue from streaming for Cover maps out more or less to talents getting 1/3rd of super chats as has always been the narrative. From that it makes sense to make an educated guess for merch being 30% cover profit 40% manufacturer expenses and shipping, 30% for the talents.

But like, let’s be real, Niji’s 1-2% cut would be obscene even if cover talents took only 10%. MLM sales commissions pay more than that shit.

>>49155493
>You really think that someone like LAM would make merchandise for a massive company without asking for a royalty fee?
It's a comission, any artist would just put an exhorbitant price that only a company could pay. And you would severely limit your options if you only took work that gives you royalty, as if doing a comission for a company like hololive would drop your worth

>>49155598
Alright I'll look for you but yeah apple and Google both take a cut out of all purchases, most people who use YouTube are mobile users
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1256738/youtubecom-monthly-visits-distribution-by-device/
According to this 90% of the people who visit YouTube, do so on mobile. This means that at least a good chunk of your oshis superchats are being deducted by YouTube itself and mobile stores.

>>49155627
You’re underestimating how much they’ve grown. They have mid tier celebrities and actors as their fans. Being picked as holo parent is now one of the most lucrative artists jobs. Yes they’ll take a commission in exchange for more connections

>>49155791
I genuinely not sure whether android google takes youtube revenue, that seems counterproductive on multiple levels.

>>49155888
Anon just in EN you have Huke, Kuroboshi, Wada and Redjuice.
Those are massive fucking names

>>49155996
And they've become even more massive after holo, your point being? Getting in holo in any way is just that good, it's like an artist getting in F/GO, you just get catapulted upwards even if you were very well known before. Of course, as long as you don't fuck up like the tempus artists or Pako.

>>49156257
I think you vastly overestimate the popularity of Hololive artists compared to those names

>>49155934
Nah I mean think about it this way. You superchat your oshi a big fat red $100 akasupa
Google immediately takes 30% of that for YouTube fees, then since you did it on Android, Google says "why not" and takes another 30% that's $60 you just gave to Google.
Google is making twice as much now. It's not counter productive at all because they just got double the money

>>49144770
They spend their money on concerts that then get canceled due to covid.. in late 2022.

>>49156347
Google has a vested interest in creators getting a decent cut from youtube because it keeps them on that platform.
Also that's not how percentages work

>>49156340
I assure you way, way, WAY more people got to know those artists from their work in hololive than fans of the artists cheking out hololive because of their design, that's why it's valuable

>>49155996
Now explain why they do not take a royalty cut from the vtuber design in the first place if their brand power is so much stronger than hololive.
Even indies can commission LAM, like rpr.

Nijinigger successfully distracting anons with artist royalties talk. Kek

>>49145138
We're past ESL, this is ETL at this point.

>>49156654
Most creators don't actually get superchats though.
The majority of content creators on YouTube aren't live streamers, in fact a lot of the ones who do live stream, do so on twitch. The people who do YouTube usually have sponsors who provide them with a majority of their income as well. Just about the only big name YouTube has that exclusively streams on YouTube is Ludwig who built a fanbase on twitch first and then youtube offered a multi million dollar contract to stream exclusively on there.
While I prefer YouTube over twitch, I can't think of any multi million sub streamer who exclusively streams on twitch

Also I guess you're right, if YouTube takes an immediate 30% and Google takes 30% after that, your oshi gets $24.50 out of every aka.

>>49155791
>>49156347
You are incorrect googles cut is part of youtube and apples cuts get hoisted on to you. If you have an iPhone compare the YouTube app vs Google chrome browser when buying a membership or paying for youtube premium you’ll see the difference.
Also youtubes cut isn’t full on 30% apparently check their help section. 30% is the base in America but you can ask them to lower it while globally, doesn’t matter the branch they’re all japanese, the base is only 24% but this doesn’t seem adjustable.

>>49143705
imagine supporting a black company like Nijisanji
couldn't be me

Do we like kson now because she's shitting on nijisanji?

>>49147806
>The problem of comics is that you don't get a cut from adaptations in form of royaltie
they absolutely do, which is why marvel and dc has a huge problem right now of every writer pumping out a million derivatives of their most popular characters hoping they get into a movie or tv show. dc in particular has a great royalty deal for creators. jim starlin, the creator of thanos, got more money for kgbeast appearing in batman vs superman than he got for all of thanos's appearances combined.

>>49147806
>The base salary of working on a comic is actually good.
also this is completely wrong. the comics industry is almost entirely freelancers now, and page rates are at an all time low. that's why creators are trying to create new characters for movies, because one appearance in a film will give them more money in royalties then years of having stable work in comics would.

>>49148134
The chronology of the bitching isn't clarified so the sentence can have multiple meanings.
Both joining Vshojo and being in Hololive happened in the past and she didn't say which one.

>>49157303
That isn't true at all. I can promise you that, this is my capital one card that I charge my membership fees to, they just renewed yesterday, they cost me exactly 4.99
https://litter.catbox.moe/oca3km.jpg

Here's a list of my superchats from last month I made exclusively on mobile as well. Notice how they're all $5? YouTube hoists the cost on the streamer, twitch hoists membership tax on the person donating. And even if you lower the cut from 30 to 24 you're still getting charged 30% by your app. Thats why it's better to support them through other means because YouTube is legitimately more Jewish than the people who work for the Jewish vtuber company

>>49155493
Lmao no way. Its always one-time done and deal. Does freelance animators ask for royalties for every anime BD sold?

>>49157646
Yes

>>49155499
Their Super Expo goods are the equivalents of Niji's goods. There are cheap items there like random can badge, or random shikishi

>>49143705
Do you think her English would be better if she just used deeply to translate her Japanese. Yes I know she's from atl.

>>49145096
You can just let the dog keep the old one.

>>49145621
Based.
The fuck do these managers do besides say no and take careful list of your sins in their book of grudges?

>>49158225
A little bit different case. The anime industry is about as bad as you can get when it comes to payment. The vtubing industry is way more likely to pay you royalties than the anime industry is because the vtuber industry is way more dependent on the artists who work in it.

For example, everyone fucking loves ufotable, but nobody knows any artists in it. The vtubing industry on the other hand hires massive name artists with long histories of working on extremely popular games, gachas, television ads, long running series, etc etc etc.
These artists are extremely well established most of the time and certainly aren't going to settle for just a few thousand.

>>49158642
Ideally they're supposed to be like other entertainment agents and book them deals, promos/events, push marketing, etc., while tard wrangling and doing cleaners jobs when the inner menhera gets too strong when needed.

>>49146954
No, it isn't normal at all. You can't do a 1-to-1 comparison anyway, vtubing merch sales work different than movie production
>>49153590
Not even the Jews went this far in Hollywood. That's how black Nijisanji is

>>49157814
Has to be through iphone.

>>49159023
Ah. I don't have an iPhone but from what I've been told android takes a similar cut. So I guess if you're an iphone user you get charged extra but if you're an android user the money just goes to Google

>>49153935
.....my guy, the numbers are all over the place.

For starters, Shippings are CHEAP, especially if you do it by sea. Japan and China is super close, shipping. You also ship by weight and volumes, not by units. The more you ship, the cheaper it is to ship per-unit.

Also artists does not receive royalty per-unit lmao. Artist offer a commercial pricing, and its definitely more than standard commisions, but it is a one-and-done deal.

Also mass-production keeps per-unit way low, that I won't be surprised acrylic only costs like 5-10% of the total price tags.

Basically, there's just no way in hell that the profit margin is somehow only 10% per item lmao. They're not selling building materials, where you can have low margin per-unit, but you sell by hundreds of thousands

>>49158774
>These artists are extremely well established most of the time and certainly aren't going to settle for just a few thousand.
You establish a connection with a very big company, which means that the "few thousands" (5 digits at the very least) turns into multiple comissions worth "few thousands" every year.

>>49143705
>How much do niji members get from merch again?
2%

>>49148516
>hm... is this a copypasta?
>You can spend a day demanding them to provide evidence for their outrageous claims only for them to concede but the next day they will return and act as though this never occurred and force you to restart from point 1
Oh, nevermind. I know exactly where this is from.
Great book, very enlightening

>>49143705
Niji and their 1% can go fuck themselves, but did she really find issue with fucking 50%? What a retard.

>>49143705
for sure 1-2 percent is too low but in what world is 50 percent not good enough? unless you are in the factory yourself putting that shit together or setting up distribution channels yourself, then a 50/50 split seems pretty damn fair

based coco as always

>>49159537
No she didn't, it's just Vshitshow is better, so leave your current company come here PR tweet.

>>49158286
nice, i liked her anyway, well not her content anymore but y'know the person before

>>49159401
Okay let's do some roleplay for a second. Imagine this.
I'm a big name artist who has had works featured in a multitude of different mediums, my style is super well known and has a history of only being associated with top quality products.
You approach me and say
>I want you to draw for me and maybe even sign some stuff so we can mass produce it and make money off of it. We'll pay you a few hundred thousand yen and call it good?
Why on earth would I accept that offer when there are other mediums I work for that likely give me royalties? It'd be flat out retarded to do so.
Instead I ask for at least an 8% cut since I produced the work your company will be selling.

>>49153935
>mathfagging revenue and not profit
You are either disingenuous or stupid

>>49159178
Shipping is only cheap when you're talking about a tiny amount of product. These companies are shipping crates upon crates of product every single month. Some of this product can also be fragile and will need extra care when loading and unloading them off of the boat.
And yes I understand that it goes by volume, but again you're shipping literally thousands upon thousands. Keep in mind that there are over 100 different people hired by nijisanji, they literally constantly produce new merchandise for a good majority of JP and EN and even as we speak new merchandise has been made for certain ID and KR members as well. Since a lot of people don't want to wait, anycolor ships a large amount of product to their warehouses immediately and then has manufacturers continue to produce the merch as their stock depletes meaning that merch is constantly being shipped.
This is the same as hololive. Merchandise that's made to order adds up.

And also I wouldn't assume it'd be per unit. I'd assume that the artist gets paid at the end of the merch cycle a certain percentage of the gross profit as is standard with a lot of merchandise.
Mass production still means you're constantly paying for labor and materials being used. You're looking at a long running expense because you're making so much product at such a constant rate that it will add up, especially if that product is sold at a cheaper price than others are.
I also forgot to mention any unique packaging that you might use will also add to the cost

>>49160597
but what if...anon...the lump sum is more than the expected value of the royalties...
would pochi ever accept a royalty deal for doing work for Reine?

>>49161183
bruv have you seen nijisanji products?

>>49160949
>y-you can't just point out that there is a lot of money spent creating merchandise!!!
seethe. The fact is that merchandise creation is expensive and has a lot of overhead. If you're talking about profit you need to take into account revenue. Otherwise you have idiots who somehow think that a company makes 98% off of merch instead of a much more realistic number of 20% of which a talent likely earns 2-3% which is a lot more likely.

>>49161197
That's honestly a fair question but I would think even reine would be able to push out enough merch to where the artist would make more money off of royalties than off of a lump sum. Especially because pochi is obviously a very talented but smaller artist so her lump sum would be smaller than someone like Ollie's/LAMs.

>>49146219
I'm pretty sure Vshojo has/had the same business model as VOMS, where all the merch went to the company and not the talents.

>>49161767
I've heard this before but I haven't found a single person back it up. In fact it was brought up in some seething thread about silvervale the other day and when someone asked for a source the other anon refused to answer

>much more realistic number of 20%
20% is not realistic, and 2% of 20% is still awful.
Even in a fairy land scenario, nijisanji comes out looking like scum.

>>49160597
>Why on earth would I accept that offer when there are other mediums I work for that likely give me royalties?
Because there aren't an infinite amount of companies that need an infinite amount of work that would pay the exact amount of money you want and you can't be so ridiculously selective even if you're a world-class artist. The only thing we can assume is that cover does pay well enough that they can get all of these renowned artists.

>surely the child slaves we're paying 5 cents an hour are consuming a big share of resources
>surely the thai guy we paid 20 dollars for a commision is getting his royalties
>surely our transport is taking its fair share of money (80 dollars per container china-japan)
>surely our bootleg acrylic stands that cost 20 cents to make are costing a great deal
You can rest now nijispy

Why tf there's so many ESL niggers with retarded takes itt? explain

>>49161599
Again, the artist can just ask for a higher lump sum.
There's an expected value with a royalty contract. That expected value can be higher or less than the lump sum. There's also ways to negotiate lump sum contracts with clauses for repeated future use.
The Weiss Schwarz cards used birthday arts. Those artists probably don't get paid royalties based on how many boxes of Weiss Schwarz are sold. If anything they probably just got another lump sum for their involvement in that campaign,

>millions of starving artists worldwide
>many from 3rd world countries with meme currency
>tries to make others think blacksanji is gonna bother getting work from one that asks for royalties
intern-kun...

>>49148516
God bless you anon, for saying it how it is.
Nijiniggers follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous. Someday our patience will run out and we will shut their lying mouths for good.

>>49159178
>5-10%
it's 1% at most, these shits is more expensive to store than to make

isn't an acryllic just a piece of paper between two sheet of fake glass

>>49145138
This is embarrassing even by SEA standard, which shithole are you from?

>>49150128
>>49150243
>>49150477
>>49149739

The kind of merch they're selling has something like 90% profit margin. You can go to alibaba and look at the bulk pricing for companies offering the same type of custom manufactured goods.

Acrylic Standees are like $3-4 USD each to buy from Alibaba not including shipping. If you factor in bulk discounts and maybe some direct channel discounts the profits could be even.

I sell custom wallscrolls using a company from Alibaba, it costs me $5 per wallscroll (there are $2-3 ones but they're lower print/material quality) and I sell them for $60 here in the US at conventions.

Its probably MUCH cheaper for a large company as they can secure a better deal, not to mention discounts on bulk shipping.

>>49147038
NDAs are for any confidential information and would certainly include the merch split. Has nothing to do with damages and simply breaking the NDA can get the employee sued. It's why even today we know little about hololive contracts. The people saying Kson would post NDA information on Twitter are either Cover shills or hololive cheerleaders.

>>49163909
NDAs also have an expiration date. But since she worded it vaguely it might not fall under it, like what if her cut was 45% then technically she didn't violate NDA.

>>49143705
what's the context here?

>>49164135
If you really have to be spoonfed the tl;dr - Kson is saying that Hololive gave her a 50% cut of merch profits and she thought it could have been better, and that she had no clue that Nijis get essentially nothing and that she herself had been spoiled and had no idea whatsoever how bad things could actually be on the other side of the fence.

>>49153935
>If you have any sources that prove me wrong
>pulls shit from his ass and put the burden on proving if its true on others instead

>>49153935
>So first you have the artist royalty fees/licensing fees, this can cost you anywhere between 5-15%
Maybe some big artists can command this but the merch looks like its done by any artist you can get off pixiv for a skeb price. You think someone paying only 2% royalty to their talent would pay 5-15% for an artist merch when they're a dime a dozen?
>Then you have the manufacturing fees which are usually about 25%-35%
Arcylic stands are $3-4 per unit, charms are $1-2, shirts are $5, the badges and cards are like cents to make. You can look up these prices yourself on alibaba, if they're sourcing from China it'd be the same set of manufacturers. They can probably get better deals than what's listed too.
>Then you have the storage fees, we'll say for simplicity's sake that due to the sheer amount of merchandise anycolor has, that's 5% in china, 5% in Japan and maybe 2% in the US. Then of course you have shipping fees, since the merchandise is made in China and shipped to Japan without anycolor charging for that, that fee is about 5-15% and only some of that is made back.
If their manufactuer is in China then they can have them drop ship it directly, especially since the buyers are paying for shipping cost. Shipping between China and Japan is also cheap compared to China/Japan to US. They could have a Japanese warehouse for storage but that'd be something they'd be renting on a year round for all their merch, and wouldn't factor into individual merch profit margins.
>At the most you're looking at the company losing 53% gross but in reality due to the sheer amount of product that is made and due to increase in costs since COVID hit you're looking at probably a gross loss of 67%, minimum. With taxes that's probably what, an additional 10%?
Shipping and sales taxes are paid by the buyer, and they're not taxed on net sales, only on profit.

I do artist alley at conventions in the US and source some of my goods from China. It costs me $5 to purchase a wallscroll (I usually do bulk orders of 500+ units) and on average using airship right now it costs $3 per scroll (8 oz) to get 1 week bulk shipping. If I do sea shipping it costs about $1 per wallscroll but takes about 2 months. I sell these scrolls for $60 at conventions.

My manufacturer recently let me know they'll drop ship for $20 DHL shipping anywhere in the world, so I wouldn't even need to handle shipping myself just forward the shipping cost to the buyer. That's around a 80-90% profit margin on a $60 item. A large company with connections and even their own manufacturing would have lower costs associated with all these items. Remember that these low prices are profitable for the Chinese manufacturers that make them.