/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I do believe getting paid more is good . I'm not a nijifan though they might hate me for saying that

How much are the chinks at Niji management seething over the 2% drama right now?

>holo vs niji and holo vs vshojo were both getting stale
> here comes kson to push the Niji vs Vshojo arc
Bravo vince

Honestly at this point I don't know how many people defending Nijisanji are just trying to make me mad as opposed to actually believing what they are saying. I'm just going to assume everyone here is baiting and everyone on other sites is an underage brand-religious luxiemsister to save my sanity.

>>49132675
As if she would be able to say it with how much she shilled Vshojo

fauna gigayab deflection thread

>>49132813
a lot more than 2%

>>49132728
Nijisanji started it by forcing Kson's indie friends to drop her though

This is a based move but I refuse taking part of her shitty agenda.

>>49132831
Stay mad nijinigger

>>49132675

>>49132831
Failed 1% deflection post

>>49132635
AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE DELETE YOUR POST NOW, DISCOOOOOORD TIME TO MAKE ANOTHER FAUNA THREAD

>>49132758
There a lot of Nijishills on /vt/. They hang out in a discord together and try to figure out the day's Hololive drama to spam in the catalog. Have you seen all the "concerned fans" or "true unicorns" criticizing HoloEN for doing anything? All Nijishills falseflagging as Hololive fans. This is basically their job now.

Ah, creative freedom
>becomes 10 times worse after leaving
>multiple collabs with males including God awful Trash Taste and Nuxtaku
>appears on chaturbate with a legit whore
>acts like even more of a no-standards twitch hoe
>loses a huge chunk of her viewers over the year and lashes out at """weebs""" over it
>ropes Rushia into joining her degenerate swamp that is the antithesis to everything Rushia ever stood for

Fuck nijisanji, especially nijiEN, but fuck kson too.

>>49132928
HOLYKEK www

>>49133014
>t. Kyo

>>49132635
Expose
Aiiiiiiieeeeeeee

>>49133014
>fuck kson
I wish

>>49132675
Lmao. So much for that.

>>49133014
good job luxiemsister, you almost pass for a real /vt/poster. may i recommend rratting something about kanata the next time as well

>>49133125
nijidrones.....

>>49132635
>1-2%
I think we've found another buzzword

>>49132928
Holy Mother of keks

Serious question, is there ANY PROOF of the 1% claim at all?
No, I'm not talking about what a literal dramanigger claimed
and I'm not talking about what a bitter emloyee claimed.
Is there any screenshot, discord message, contract message, staff recording, ANYTHING to serve as proof

Or is everyone just believing a dramanigger because they want to?

>>49132635
Based kson.
Now she realizes that working on holo was better than other.

>>49133271
>>49132691

>>49133271
anon, we're already past the denial phase. Please move on to either bargaining or depression like the rest of the bootlickers

>>49133271
Honestly the OP may be the strongest proof yet. If she is tweeting this it means she knew for a long time but obviously wasn't going to say anything without some backup.

>>49132635
ok Kson I forgive you
Vshojo JP and Hololive are officialy best friends from now on
The enemy of Njis is my friend

>>49133376
>Ask for proof
>D-DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL
How can anyone believe you if you can't show proof and just say theyre in denial anon
>>49133371
This literally isn't proof of anything aside from you shilling your dead split

>>49132928
BTFO

>>49132635

>>49133271
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2fGW5Lt9jw
9:09 - "It's start at 1% but usually is just 1%"

>>49133424
It never made sense why Kson's would shit on Holo since she left on extremely good grace, even having a nice interview with yagoo at the end and most holomems were genuinely sad she left.
Turns out it was always zhangs and nijicucks that continued to hate her and now probably even more.

>>49133271
>Nijisister hasn't seen the mysta clip
It was honestly disturbing to watch with the new context, you can see how desperate he is to cover it up as soon as he said it.

>>49133125

>>49133575
She has never shit on holo and defends them whenever anyone does or tries to twist her words to make it seem like she is. It's literally a tribalfag narrative invented out of thin air to justify seething at her gaining the pink V logo.

>>49133583
Yeah, i can't even laugh at it.

>"Companies, please please respect the talents _/|\_ If you can't, just let them go without any threats and loss _/|\_"
Oh shit, is Kekson backing up my nigga Zayu? Perhaps I judged her too harshly...

>>49133583
he could feel the sudden vacation coming for him

>>49132635
How did this thread turn to reddit?

>>49133551
Huh, so is it better to superchat and membergift than to buy their merch?

>>49132635
Reminder to everyone that Scamjisanji pays marketing firms to run damage control psyops across the internet. I can't fucking wait for one of the managers or talents to grow some real balls and reveal the truth of that dumpster fire of a shithole company. You think the shitting up of the board is organic? It's not. Literal fucking paid shills and discord raids.
>p-p-p-proof?
Fuck you. You'll get yours in time nigger.

>>49133583
>>49133551
Those don't count.

>>49133551
It starts at
ONE PERCENT
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY

>>49133125
What nijisisters over here doesn't understand is just how much your success as a vtuber determines how much merch you are able to sell. If you are an awful vtuber that filters paying fans or if you are a literal 2view youu won't sell tons of merch. In a way, you can see every vtuber stream as a merch advertisement.

>>49133429
I'm curious, anon. Sure, let's just ignore what the dramafag said (which could have been sourced from Zaion) for a moment. Still, how are words from at least two active livers not enough of "proof"? Are you saying that they intentionally spread lies that hurt their company on purpose?
Don't you trust your own livers, one of them being one of the pillars of Nijisanji to boost, anymore?

>>49133734
It is better to just find their alt and just donate to that instead.

DESPITE BEING ONLY 1-2%

>>49132928
shubatomo nousagi ichimi ? ? hoshiyomi DESTROYED

>>49133801
I don't watch Niji you fucking retard, hence why I'm asking for proof

>>49133815
This is why Nijifag is very skilled in doxxing.

>>49133939
holy kek

>>49133939

>>49133738
Mate there is no more goalpost anymore, the thing shifted so much its in the next country over
Which just so happens to be Taiwan

>>49132635
I rub yu

>>49132635
>3 vtubers just left Vshojo because it sucks so bad
>but 1-2%? WOW THAT'S TERRIBLE AMIRITE?
This is what actual deflection looks like

>>49132928
KEK poor guy I think the niggers started harassing him.

>>49132635
While I hate Nijisanji's management especially EN, don't they like pay 0% for their merch? The others have to fund it off their own pockets but also get huge returns and the company gets a % since its their IP.
But this means that merch of your Niji oshi DOESN'T support your oshi at all which is fucked up.

>>49133939
>nijinigs are doxxfags
do they lurk that god awful dox site as well? what a sad hobby

>>49134069
>lurk

>>49134015
>hololive supremacist
>defend nijisanji
Every single time.

>>49133935
And why are you rejecting words from Nijisanji's livers? Why aren't they proof?
You know that statements can be used as evidence even in court (which is way more serious than this), right?

>Dick sucking a girl who just had 3 people leave from her company because of contractual issues
Anontardchamas....
How short are your attention spans? Seriously?

>>49134183
Where are their words then????

fubuki mads deflection thread

>>49134183
Retard

>nijifags right now

>>49134200
>Companies, please please respect the talents. If you can't, just let them go without any threats and loss
Now compare they way Vei, Silver and Pink Cat left VShoujo to the way Zaion "left" Nijisanji. That's her whole point.

>>49134200
How about you? Did you somehow forget about 1-2%?

>>49134041
If by "the others" you meant Hololive then no, they do NOT have to fund their own merchs off their own pocket and I'm not sure why some people have been saying this all over the place.
They can CHOOSE to fund their merchs off their own pocket as their personal projects. Not only it's optional (since it's their personal projects after all, they don't have to go with those), but it doesn't apply to most of Holo merchs. Those self-funded merchs are the exceptions, not the norm. Cover still funds their normal merchs and Holo members "only" get a generous cuts from those, not almost the full profit like the self-funded cases

>>49134223
Mysta's clip?
Kuzuha's tweet?
The other anon linked it right in this thread >>49132691 and you went "D-DOESN'T COUNT"
>>49134241
NDF ran out of argument real fast, didn't they?

kson trying to play the V-Tuber saviour is boring.
She's just a walking hypocrite.

>>49134498
Yes? Why should that count?

>>49133125
Jesus, bootlickers need to be gassed. Imagine loving a company more than the talent

>>49132758
Newfag lurk more they are called nijiniggers for a reason

>>49134599
>Nijisanji's most popular liver said he doesn't get anything from merch
>Why should that count?

Nijinigger meltdown

>>49134200
>Liver organs can't even leave peacefully because they know the company will pull out the book of grudges and the fans will dox them
Getting into nijisanji is like being in a abusive relationship

>>49133014
>ropes Rushia into joining her degenerate swamp that is the antithesis to everything Rushia ever stood for
Rushia never stood for anything except money, which is why she went back to collabing with males and making fun of unicorns just like she did before Holo

Going through nijifan tweets is sad honestly. Retarded takes like
>merch is expensive (while using cheap chink workers)
>talents do nothing (they've created whole Niji fanbase in the first place)
>Niji merch is cheap, they are not making a lot of money (same as first, cheap workers and artists)

>>49132635
Boo fucking hoo. Niji compensates their talents in other ways besides sales. They still rake in SCs and Voice-packs with pretty generous rates. If the finances were so awful, why are they still in Nijisanji? Think homolive, THINK

>>49134730
Gee, anon, don't you undertand that every tweet should end with "im 100% serious"?

>>49134895
Wdym? They only have 5% net profit? See how generous they are? They are giving the talents half of there profit and not even taking margin from fans what saints!

>>49134947
Pethetic sister your mask is falling off the world will finally start to see your deranged behaviour that has been inherited since the bigenning of vtubing i shall say this now the TOTAL NIJINIGGER GENOCIDE BEGINS NOW

>>49135047
>Pethetic

>>49134947
>makes vague, unspecified claims without source
>says, Think

>>49135047
Holy ESL lmfao

>>49135060
TOTAL NIJINIGGER GENOCIDE BABY

>>49135098
Learn English nigger

>>49134960
>They only have 5% net profit?
Go to pretty much any website that talks about economics and you'll see that anything below 10% falls into LOW. If they do actually make 5% then their fucking managers should be fired, all of them. I hope this isn't trying to imply that Niji's net profit is comparable to a grocery store (1-5%) because that's a completely different story/strategy. Shit like LIDL wins only because they sell in bulk and they dominate their local market.

>>49135047
All ESLs are chuuni LARPers

>>49135060
>>49135087
>>49135114
Here take a (you) sister i am sure you must be overworked because of all the drama nowadays don't forget to collect your daily wages in your discord or you might starve to death, keep healthy sister for another day of NDF!
>>49134726

>>49135132
What nijiniggers making shit up again? How can they do that! It's impossible for nijiniggers to lie

>>49133815
I thought nijisanji doesn't let them keep an active alt.

>>49134200
And they left without getting their shit deleted, transferred to another agency that gave them a bunch of money, and you can just go watch them still because nothing really changed. What a tragedy. Nice attempt at deflecting at least.

>>49133551
That's just music right?

>>49134069
Nigger they run that site. They are to it what Holo fans are to /vt/.

>>49135354
Lol

>>49134420
No you are wrong they can do personal merch like those shirts from amazon with permission but birthday, anniversaries, special events are funded by the company which gives you a nice cut and you can also put up money to get a more generous cut.

>>49134131
Attacking vshojo isn’t defending nijisanji and they actually give a 0% cut for merch

>>49135423
>Attacking vshojo isn’t defending nijisanji and they actually give a 0% cut for merch
Proof next thread?

>>49133575
>>49133648
>She has never shit on holo and defends them whenever anyone does or tries to twist her words to make it seem like she is.
Some people don't believe it, even from her own mouth, but that's okay. Because if she needs to, she can take it. She has accepted that.

>>49135423
Fuck me nigger can you even read?
>>49132675

>>49133734
Yes pomu gave a breakdown
Streamlabs/supers > voice packs > sponsors > merch
What I don’t get is last year everyone was saying merch doesn’t matter except the numbers thread. Now all of sudden it’s the most important thing despite contracts and cuts not being the same. Vshojo had 0% and it feels like I was talking to a wall everytime I brought it up and they don’t even have voice packs for supplementary income

>>49135667
>Vshojo had 0%
Can you nijifags not lie in a single post you make

>>49135619
who is she? a fucking Jesus or something?

>>49133014
Ogey zhang

>>49135667
Pomu did not say anything about sponsorships. Also your order is wrong. It was voice packs > streamlabs > SCs >merch.

>>49134957
>Resorting back to "H-he was joking"
Alright, then. In that case, guess nothing anyone says can convince you unless someone leaks actual stamped documents from AnyColor, I suppose

>>49135756
>noooo you can't acknowledge that people hate you that makes you a jesus impersonator!

>>49135667
We are obviously being raided by discord dramaniggers.

>>49135756
Just someone who has gone through a lot, but still cares about their friends, and wants the best for them.

>>49133735
Like Hololive that have hiromoot support money in Good Smile Company. And 4chan.

>>49135667
i don't follow this shit closely but i'm pretty sure merchandising "rights" doesn't mean you get 0% of the revenue/profit. My best guess is that it means you can't run off and make your own independent line of merch.

>2% is not a meme

>>49133738
oh so pajeet nijibots can give more responses than just "rent free" and anything thats basicly cover did it too

>>49132635
based Coco.

>>49136070
Is this the start of the justice league of vtubers

>>49133770
I don’t know if you’re attacking or defending nijisanji with that statement. That’s an actual good reason to not do big cuts because they have 100+ vtubers, probably closer to 150, and among that 50 might constitute a success. If you’re a 3 view that can get 500 people to buy your voice pack a month you’ll be making more money then 500 people buying your birthday merch once. For example only stars and indonesia get limited merch in hololive and it’s good take home pay but even among them they have vast differences in the amount they can sell. This standard interestingly enough doesn’t effect top talents because their supers and voice pack sales are crazy and it doesn’t effect the bottom because as seen by small corpos 2view is a lost cause. On the other hand this gives 3 views like that faggot in en or vta graduates a consistent income. And I can’t stress this enough I’ve been calling out vshojo’s 0% for months as black company activity but 1-2% is where you draw the line??

>>49136070
Ok wow...

>>49135132
As someone who has done pricing in a retail outfit there are exceptions, big ticket items costing in the thousands usually have 10% and lower profit margins, apple products usually have sub 5% margins are are only carried because anything is better than losing a sale. Grocery store items on the other hand usually have at least a 50% markup at the low end.
So is nijimerch high quality, high price and have such a strong brand association that they need to be sold?

>>49136070
What did she mean by this?

>>49136204
Vshojo doesn't take 100% cut you fucking retard.

>>49136320
in his fantasy world they do, anon

>>49136204
>>49132675

What's a respectable cut from merchandise?
How much merchandising is it in a serious non-shitshow industry like vtubing is?

>>49135667
>What I don’t get is last year everyone was saying merch doesn’t matter except the numbers thread.
Yep. Then rewind further to 2020 and everything pro-Nijisanji was about "Superchats don't matter, they do way better with merch!"
The reality is that the money meme of the day has always been that: a meme, a trend, a rumor, a rrat. A few drips of info are mentioned by this-or-that chuuba, possibly poorly or incompletely, and the info extrapolated into this big sweeping fact that "everyone knows" for a few months... until the next tiny drip of info and the trendy facts change.

>Vshojo had 0% and it feels like I was talking to a wall everytime I brought it up
I am not aware that "0%" was ever stated in a blanket manner. The closest thing I know of was said in a way that seemed to refer to a specific batch of merch. Again, it just became this extrapolation that everyone repeated, and so everyone just "knew". At the very least Nazuna and Kson seem to have a different arrangement from the original ENs. Equally likely is that VShojo internally didn't have their shit together in their first year, and didn't have a standard agreement, or changed things as they brought on new members. Hololive has similar differences across between their first generations and the latest ones.

>>49132635
when kson was talking about slavery, she was talking about Nijisanji.

>>49134875
>went back to collabing with males and making fun of unicorns
she literally defended them retard

>>49136320
They do in his headcanon. Everyone, plewse take your meds when prescribed.

>>49136398
Retail Price - Wholesale Price/Transportation and Storage fees, split 50/50 with talent and company would be extremely generous. I would expect that with something like Hololive birthday goods. Other more generic merch I would expect the talent cut to be much lower. Maybe 5% on generic stuff like mass-issue acrylics.

>>49135594
>>49135649
>>49135729
>>49136025
So any merch made by vshojo or gotten through vshojo on their website or on cons they get 0% of the cut. If they make their own merch they get all of it unless they use vshojo’s logistics in which case they get a cut but I don’t know how much.
Merchandising rights is something you never give up in America without a good lawyer present. Vei herself even mentions that the money isn’t right in the contract.

>>49136611
anon read you idiot
>>49132675

>>49132635
Fucking based, Nijiniggers should feel bad for being a Nijiniggers

>>49136611
Oh, ok. So proof next thread?

>>49136667
KEK

>>49135423
>>49134420 (Me)
>No you are wrong they can do personal merch like those shirts from amazon with permission but birthday, anniversaries, special events are funded by the company which gives you a nice cut and you can also put up money to get a more generous cut.
That was what I said, though?

>>49136667
>it's so teal
I chortled

>>49135423
>Attacking vshojo isn’t defending nijisanji and they actually give a 0% cut for merch
bruh

>>49135756
Like it or not, but Coco was instrumental in the EN vtuber shphere becoming as big as it is now.

>>49136760
Sorry it’s just a habit to explain from the beginning but I meant you were wrong about the company holo merch. All members are directly involved but only some have mentioned also putting money towards it. So they can put money towards the official merch to get a bigger cut. You didn’t mention that I thought you didn’t know

>>49135756
491000 people were at her graduation, that is only counting live viewers. she was WORLD'S number one superchat, she is still number 2 now in total. she fluent in both english and japanese opened a door for EN vtubing, and She was Hololive.

>>49134200
baffling post

>>49133271
>NOOOOOOOO I NEED THE SECRUT CORP DOCUMENTS TAKEN RIGHT OFF RIKU'S DESK WITH HIM HOLDING IT UP WITH TODAY'S PAPER REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
you pathetic faggot

>>49133271
>Mysta literally talks about it on stream
>No that doesn't count

>>49132668
Considering how many deflection posts and boot-licking posts there are right now, I'd say extremely hard.

>>49136481
She defended them, to still get their money because the only unicorns that are left watching them are desperate. AND she still openly collabed with males. She doesn't give a fuck

>>49136555
>>49136398
>>49136275
>>49135132
Something I think gets lost on people who have never been responsible for sales of physical goods at a business (i.e. most humans), is the difference between the price, gross margin, and payout. Saying that the chuuba get "1%" of the goods sold when the margin from COGS is 5% means the chuuba is getting 20% of the margin. I'm sure you all know that, but most people here don't seem to make that distinction.

However, I have done some ecommerce work, and I suspect that the margin is higher than 5% for fan goods like this.
To add some caveats to your comments, >>49136275: A lot of these goods are drop-shipped, and if they're not made-to-order, they can at least be ordered in smaller batches than traditional retail. There is MUCH lower loss from unsold inventory than traditional retail, where you order in increments of 10k, have to warehouse them all for an indeterminate time, and hope you cover the cost of what you don't sell. That makes some kinds of merch have a much higher margin than even the same category of item in physical retail.
That, plus pricing at a premium as all brand/fan goods do (e.g. sports team merch), I would not be surprised if they were getting 10-15% margin on things like acrylic stands, so the chuuba getting 2% of the revenue might be as much as 20% of the margin.

I don't know what the "industry standard" would be, but I get the feeling some bozos here are interpreting it as "talent gets 2%, company keeps 98%" when it's really "talent gets 2%, company gets 8%" over COGS.

>>49136070
Here we go again.
I'm going to grab some beers!

>>49137561
I don't watch Niji retard KING, hence why I'm asking
>>49137495
Forgot your basedjack

>>49136667
I love it KEK

>>49137227
I love that this is always parroted when Korone and Fubuki had pretty big percentage of overseas viewers as well as a few others with a decent size. Coco debuted at the very end of 2019 and myth debuted in September of 2020. Unless you believe in 8 months she shaped the western vtuber field then in that case I can’t help your delusions.

>>49132635
>computer, what is one percent of a million dollars?
>ten thousand bucks? Huh, sure sounds like whoever complains about getting that on top on top of a regular monthly salary and a part of every superchat is a spoiled little faggot

>>49137638
>Plenty of evidence everywhere
>PLEASE SPOON FEED ME
Nah

>>49137716
literally no vtuber sells 1 million bucks worth of merch per month

>>49137645
He's a redditranny. Of course he'd think that.

>>49134015
Damn, it's almost as if they began replicating the Zhang's harassment and doxxing tactics on the guy or something.

>>49132991
Ah yeah the "drama" around Fauna saying her fans are not her friends or any other random shit they can make up every week to deflect from the dumpster fire that is Nijisanji

>>49137873
I wasn't talking per month.

>>49137716
>monthly salary
You should ask this to niji liver, they will be thrilled!

>>49138033

>>49136667
Beautiful

>>49132635
I was hard on you kson, I'll give JP a chance.

Isn't kson mostly a fleshtuber now? is it even ok to talk about her on /vt/

>>49137424
>She was hololive
She was the first real graduation. Hololive bigger than it ever was and growing every year. Kiara and bae are also fluent that means absolutely nothing. She did not open any doors for En vtubers because they already existed one of which Melody gaining fame already. Cover ipo has an actual point of growth for overseas fans that you can check. Her graduation run gained a lot of supers but more importantly this whole thread has been saying merch is the end all be all why does that matter all of a sudden? Are you implying rushia was there most important member?

>>49132668
I genuinely doubt they care, nijifags will still buy merch.

>>49137561
Deron, Kuzuha, Mysta but you faggots make it a big deal now that a dramafag said it. Where was all this when mysta actually said it?

/vt/ sings >>49136667 when?

>>49138283
I know you're just baiting, but you made me look. Out of her last 20 YouTube streams, 2 were not using using a vtuber model, 1 did use a model but had a handcam (trying some food), and the other 17 used a vtuber model. Mostly not a fleshtuber.

>>49138283
You get a ban for bringing her up every now and then. I guess today is one of the days it’s fine

>>49138438
In /#/
No, I'm serious, it was largely contained to /#/. Numberfags were fighting over it for a while between laughing at Niji cuts and "No, he was just kidding", "He was exaggerating it" group. It fizzled out after 2-3 days.
Guess it's blowing up now because Zaion's telling document is still hot and most people don't visit /#/

>>49138438
>Where was all this when mysta actually said it?
We talked about it back then too, and the sisters did a wonderful job shitting all over it.
>it's just a joke
>nah it's not really true
>they don't know what they are talking about
So, yes, now that we have more sources about Niji scamming their talents, it's a bigger deal now.

>>49138349
Melody was chatubate whore, Coco was a legend, just because you are a butthurt chinese, doesn't mean she wasn't important.

>>49136275
Smartphones and consoles have low individual profits because they're banking on their users staying in their environment and profiting from their software/games sales. Tickets can have low margins because they sell food/merch at the venue at insane prices. There's no reason for vtuber merch to have low margins since they don't offer anything else to capitalize further.

>>49138373
>I genuinely doubt they care
They literally used false copystrikes to try and take down FalsEyeD because he covered their constant blunders.

>>49135619
>>49135756
An idiot with a martyr complex.
She really needs a therapy to remove the belief that she has to save the world.
Her only responsibility has only been her own happiness.
She is not saving anyone with her self sacrifice.

>>49134200
3 girls who left on their own terms, are still treated fairly by the company and members and their community, and are free to seek out a better deal
while Kson herself still says her deal there is good but has also said she'd consider somewhere else if she was offered better conditions
exemplifying the idea of talents having agency to seek out where they they their treatment is the best
this is not the L you think it is

>>49134015
>>49132928
hahahaha

>>49136275
This is that baffles the mind for me.
Who the fuck did they hire to do merch if they are making THAT little money from it?
Are they using some scum-tier Chinese producer for it? Certainly sounds like it if they aren't making that much money.

>>49136204
did you get called out by Kson just now on twitter?

Are we really ignoring that kson talked about this while in a company or are we all pretending she's indie?

>>49139298
Is it a company or agency?

that's my bitch

>>49137603
Cuck

>>49133125

>>49139298
I mean she's shitting on Niji I literally don't care if she works for Apple or Huawei enemy's enemy's a friend

>>49132675
She fucking stomped on that rrat. Theres blood everywhere!

>>49138699
nothing pisses me off more than the sisters acting like merch has a low margin or the talents get a small cut because the staff is well paid or some shit. You can look at their own financial numbers; merch sales are their biggest source of revenue by far so it's not like this is a small part of the business. In their latest financial disclosure ANYCOLOR had total sales of 19 billion JPY (May 1st 22 - Jan 31st 23) and an ordinary profit of 7.5 billion JPY. So after paying EVERYBODY - the talents, office staff, software vendors, event staff for Nijifes, merch subcontractors, etc. - 40 % of every dollar they made went into Tazumi and the other stockholders' pockets.

It's amazing how even reincarnated, she still manages to dunk on China.

>>49133366
She's ripping on Niji, not her own corp. You fucking baboon

>>49138349
Holy ESL

>>49132675
>>49132635
Ok that's pretty based.

>>49132635
Chinks love the thrill of humiliating someone with less resources than them while I appreciate kson for speaking out this is like telling a dog to not bark at strangers it will fall on chinkisanji management deaf ears.

>>49132675
When your source of information is vt

>>49132635
>Even a long-time industry vtuber is calling out how horrendous Nijisanji is
Keep telling us how good and righteous Nijisanji is, Nijisisters

>>49139414
>turn customers into fanatics
>and brands into religions
Sadly enough this marketing strategy works and is the reason many Nijisanji fans will defend vtubers only getting 2% of merch sales.

>>49133014
Zhangisanji

>>49136275
True, Im working a part time wagie at a grocery store and I found out they would buy produce at like 70 cents per cabbage for example and resell for like 2-3 dollars

>>49140444
>Hey, the talents are getting scammed and the stealth suspensions are scummy as fuck, something fishy is going on and the fans should support the talents now more than ever
>NOOOOO SHUT UP THEY ARE ADULTS AND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING
>Hey, this one talent said some really retarded shit
>NOOOO SHUT UP THEY ARE BABIES AND HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING

>>49140731
>NOOOO SHUT UP THEY ARE BABIES AND HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING
The fact that Mysta and Axia were unironically treated like this is sad.

>>49136667
Fuck you

>>49139490
People are acting like they're selling custom made, high-quality, low margin items. That isn't what 95% of the merch they sell is. If you said that unique anniversary goods had a low margin I'd be willing to give you that, but who the fuck is out here pretending like the 400th version of a square acrylic or button is some low margin item? The cost of production is miniscule for a fucking piece of plastic stamped with an image, and the items are so small and light that even if they're shipping them from somewhere else the transportation cost is low.
There's no planet where they're only making 5% on that shit

>>49132635
kson is still an unlikable cunt, she literally poached pikamee out of her comfy gig at voms to go to vshitshow

>>49141142
based clueless retard
thanks for the laugh

>>49141189
hope she likes getting harrassed by vshojo antis, it'll make the hogwarts stuff look calm and peaceful in comparison - plus she gets to be in the same company as Froot!

>>49133125
as usual of chinks, fucking bootlickers KEK

>>49138489
/vt/ has no mixers.

>>49136611
deluxe retard
https://twitter.com/ksononair/status/1656314005458411521

Better than 0%

>>49141565
>>49141552
heh

>>49133014
>fuck kson
I wish, I'd nut so hard in that chubby bitch

Basedson ONAIR

>>49141552
>leaking hololive merch share numbers
Enjoy getting sued bitch

>>49141565
It's talking about streaming (配信) revenue split numberchama.

>>49136275
yeah without seeing the actual cost of the merch its hard to get the full picture. Also giving nijisanji the benefit of the doubt I'm going to assume the 2% is of gross sales and not profit. That said, either way if the margins are so low that only 2% can go to the talent they should raise the price of merch.

>>49141552
>50% is low
Damn I knew she was clinically retarded when she left holo but that's quite the retarded statement for a japanese-american, every single industry in the world gives absolute scraps, 50% is a fucking utopia and the only way to make more is just making merch yourself

>>49141565
at least post a picture that supports your statement.

>>49141818
Wait, 50% is hololive merch cut?

>>49141895
Do people just never negotiate for more in their jobs? Why would you ever get complacent in negotiating your contracts?
Is this a Asian mindset thing, never understood why so many people just accept their fate

>>49141895
>and the only way to make more is just making merch yourself
Kson makes shitloads of her own merch, she knows very well what the costs are

>>49141895
>50% is a fucking utopia and the only way to make more is just making merch yourself
She literally just said she gets more than 50% now anon

>>49142114
last time someone stood up for themselves in nijisanji they tried to end her career then and there

>>49141818
Anon you are too optimistic and hololive talents probably get 5% to 10% of generic merch sales. Kson has always been careful about hololive information but has vaguely said that she didn't make nearly as much money in the past as what fans would expect. She is certainly referring to the merch cut at VShojo.

>>49141818
you forgot they are not Nijisanji.

>>49142114
>Try to negotiate with management
>Get put through a smear campaign

>>49141895
>50% is a fucking utopia and the only way to make more is just making merch yourself
>>49142182
>She literally just said she gets more than 50% now anon
50% of profit per item. No way its 50% of the revenue/price of the item.

>>49142261
was she ever bitching about vshojo merch cut?
and where this 5-10% come from?

>>49142114
In order to "negotiate" you have to be either good with words or invaluable. Now, why do you think a social butterfly/great specialist browses vee-fucking-tee is a mystery to me.

>>49135756
She built the bridge your retarded newfag ass crossed to get here.

>>49142185
>>49142427
Not speaking about the hostages, I mean the fucking dumb posters who are always taking the corporations side
>>49142511
I keep forgetting the level of underage and where I am

>>49142474
>50% of profit per item. No way its 50% of the revenue/price of the item.
duh.

>>49142511
I handle business negotiations all the time and I'm moderately successful. I've seen other anons give legitimate advice that only an expert or well-researched bystander could provide. Just because 90% of /vt/'s catalog is SEA and China looking for easy (You)s doesn't mean there's not specialists around.

>>49142182
Because she's releasing merch herself, no shit. But for a company 50% is massive, you can't find another company that pays that much aside from hololive because they started as a tech company, they're clueless about the entertainement biz

>>49132635
IT'S FUCKING OVER
https://twitter.com/ksononair/status/1656314005458411521

>>49142510
It's just Niji bootlickers who can't believe that their rival pays their talent fairly so they have to make up numbers out of thin air. Nevermind that the Holos say contrary to Livers that they earn more from merch than SC and memberships

>>49143127
K-son, please have mercy...

>>49143127
Gawd DAMN woman. Kson taking her KCOCK out and slapping it on the table.

>>49143032
No, she's talking about her split with Vshojo on Vshojo merch. She tweeted that a company taking 98% is bad, then replied she thought 50% was still a lot, and then "I am so lucky", which means her current cut is better than that.

>>49143127
N-no you see niji's actually the same because the total profit is only 4% of the price, so 2% is still a 50% cut! It's definitely not that the livers are being scammed

FUCKING BASED, now you remember that Kson works together with Cover to take down Hololive Historian channel

>>49143402
Surely kson isn't retarded enough to casually leak her current company's merch cut

>>49143570
The funny thing about that is that they're probably paying Nijisanji 2% of the gross profit, so they wouldn't even get 2% of the "raw" revenue

>>49143725
She has leeway since she wasn't specifically referring to Vshojo

>>49143402
So, she used to bitch 50% share from vshojo.
Damn, how much she got from hololive?

>>49133125
The hell website is this from?

>>49143127
HOLOCHADS?
WHERE ARE YOU AT?

So this is the true power of Talent Freedom...

>>49143609
That’s also based, not sure what you’re implying. No true vtuber fan wants to be surprised with random dox pics of their oshi, otherwise we’d all be watching twitch indies. You’re looking for /lig/.

>>49143909
50% is hololive. she did not "bich" about Vshojo's cut.

>>49132662
they definitely would hate to see niji members getting paid more. it's understandable. they are fans of the agency first. talent is just another brick in the wall.

>>49144050
You rang?

>>49134015
>>49134131
>>49137932
the guy in question is a massive trannie lover, so who cares

>>49144050
There's a reason I make a point to buy my oshi's merch every time it releases.

>>49137227
And I will never forgive her for it

>>49144263
Based Luitomo.

>>49144263
>Niji acrylic stand = bad
>Holo acrylic stand = good
Ogey

>>49144155
I'm implying that this time is blacksanji turns

It's really hilarious how what got kson to talk shit about niji isn't
>draconian management
>straight up black company practices
>how fast and easy they fire their vtubers
>the retarded shit list for zaion
Instead it's about merch cut lmao

>>49144402
I literally never said that, anon. I just said my oshi gets a fat cut of the merch sales, so I always make a point to buy the entirety of the sets that release. That's literally all.

>>49144402
Obviously, can't you see the quality difference?

>>49144402
yes. Niji literally a copy paste

>>49144528
What do you think the "if you can't, just let them go without any threats and loss" is referring to?

>>49144402
>holo shitty plastic stand - profits to oshi
>niji shitty plastic stand - riky yacht fund
so yes
you faggot

>>49141273
LMAO, at this point it's probably going to be people malding about NIJI getting shit on pretending to be trannies

>>49144191
We know it's more than 50% in hololive since everyone says it's the absolute best way to support them, unless she's talking about common merch then that's still retarded because that's an insane cut for common merch.

>>49142261
Several Holo talents (i.e: Marine, Noel) have said they get "dozens" percent, though. While >we don't have any solid number, their cuts should be at least 2 digits
I meant, you can just compare Lamy's estimated income in 2022 with her SC - clearly they must have gotten a big cut from merchs if she was making at least a few times, and up to almost 10 times what she made from SC. Sponsorships and memberships might be profitable, but I doubt it was that profitable

>>49132635
Ignore that anti-uinicorn slut. She doesn't know what she's talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pqGOqU7vLA

>>49144949
No.

>>49133125
nijisisters are literal insectoids

>>49144949
NijiEN livers' roommates supposedly talk to her occasionally though

>>49139406
fag

>>49144591
Oh my God. The difference between Niji merch and Holo merch is like night and day!

>>49144191
>50% is hololive.
There is no way that hololive is giving their talents that much and there is a reason none of the generic merch split information is public. They get more from the custom birthday merch but they have to put their money into that.

>>49144853
Lamy comes from a wealthy family and once received a grand piano for a birthday present. Her tax information might be unusual even for hololive.

>>49137716
I'm starting to wonder if there retarded posts are some for of falseflag. Surely Nijidrones aren't that incapable of logic right?

>>49145870
>there's no way
The cope is incredible today. I'm really eating good.

>>49145870
Why yes, I too am incapable of understanding context, we should both go drink bleach and make a positive impact on the world for once.

>>49133735
NOU. Can (You) even link one of those discords?

>>49134726
This doesn't make you look good at all it just proves that holofags shit up niji threads so much that niji fans got sick of it and started fighting back. If you don't want your threads being shit then don't shit up other threads.

>>49146542
you tell them sister

>>49133754
kek

>>49143127
oh nyo

>>49133551
How could he afford his upcoming two week break with the family when only making 1%

>>49136667
glorious

>>49145870
>There is no way that hololive is giving their talents that much
Look at shion, aqua, ayame and gura streaming schedule.
You still can't believe that they didn't get a huge generous profit share from merch?

>>49137716
You had to have gone over this thought in your head before you posted it and realized how stupid it sounded, so why'd you post it anyway? Do you honestly think any NijiEN livers make millions in sales a year...?

>>49147111
New idea: 60% merch split for the talents but it goes down 2% for every day since last stream

>>49147131
It's a billion dollar company.

>>49135132
I hope this isn't trying to imply that Niji's net profit is comparable to a grocery store (1-5%) because that's a completely different story/strategy. Shit like LIDL wins only because they sell in bulk and they dominate their local market.
>>49136275
>Grocery store items on the other hand usually have at least a 50% markup at the low end.
???

>>49147111
That's why I only buy merch from the hardworking holos like Mio

>>49144020
It's the premier dox site for sisters and females in general

>>49133014
>>chink hand typed this
Yaaaass Sister, tell them !!

>>49147564
Retardo, reread the replies.

>>49147616
HAG LOVE

>>49147211
Cover, hire this man!

>>49144020
The doxx site. Aka, the actual NijiCN general.

>>49133125
man your talents are dying and this is what you came up with? truly despicable.

>>49137716
>on top of a regular monthly salary
Would be nice IF Nijis got one.

>>49140444
Why does this even work? What's wrong with the fucking consoomer normies that they let it work on them?

>>49133125
>It is reasonable but niji can be MORE generous
>Implying 2% is generous in the first place
I truly feel bad for the few talents in EN who aren't cunts, that they have to be chained to a fanbase like this

>>49147616
>Mio
barfing tarot card scam
People only care about her because of her sex model.

>>49147564
>???
You don't think grocery stores just lose money when they don't sell all of a days' stock of fruits or vegetables, and some go bad, right? You do know that the quantity that is sold has to pay for itself AND the quantity that didn't sell, right? You realize that this isn't new, right?

>>49148647
Astrology and tarot cards are scams but girls who are into them are my type of retarded

>>49138349
This post is sponsored by the CCP

>>49137716
>monthly salary
Kek

>>49148647
I care about her because her eggs are running out.

>>49146065
Try producing your own merch and get a 50% split yourself. Now imagine your management does everything for you and gives you a share that is tough to get yourself. On prints, buttons and so on yes. But not on that costum made products.

>>49141086
Kinda amazed it took this long to point out.
>>49141189
That was obviously not meant unironically.
>>49141557
No u, she obviously isn't comparing apples to apples. The 1-2% is of the total price paid by the consumer. There's no way in hell she could actually be getting 50% of that herself no matter what distribution channels she went through, so it's clearly not a comparable figure.

>>49148807
It's 50% of the profit not 50% of the sale price you fucking retard

>>49141565
>she's calling out Niji for giving talents 1-2% on merch
>"BETTER THAN 0% HUR DUR"
>the image is about how Vshojo gets 0% (i.e. talents get 100%) on streaming, and how you should buy merch if you want Vshojo to get anything
This is a truly special kind of retarded.

>>49148679
Highest IQ post on /vt/ and it's not even close

>>49148849
And surely that is what FalseEyeD considered when he calculated his 2%. There is a reason why merch isn't as good to support your oshi direct with money. Because it is made in China shipped to Japan and all that stuff. Yet this is used as an argument that talents not enough from merch. You are moving the goalpost.

>>49142182
She's fucking lying. She's been Vshojo's PR bitch for a while now, and only kicked into hyperdrive when nyannars, silver, and vei left.

>>49143130
>Nevermind that the Holos say contrary to Livers that they earn more from merch than SC and memberships
That's because a) of the volume of the sales and b) "merch" includes digital goods like voice packs where the actual production and distribution cost is near zero.

>>49149105
anon the chinks make like 2000 acrylic keychains for $2 that you can then sell to simps for $10 each

>>49149169
>She's fucking lying.
Oh for sure man

>>49143402
No, retard, the "I am so lucky" means that she's realizing things could be worse if she were in Nijisanji. But she's also being dishonest, comparing the 50% of profit she gets now to the 1-2% of total item cost she's happy not to be stuck with.

I never thought I'd respect vshojo more than nijisanji but here we are. And that's with vshojo having the Froot debuff.

>>49149105
2% of total sales is good if their profit margin is 4% of the sale price. It isn't. If you think costs are taking up 96% of the sale price of an acrylic square or a button then you're fucking retarded

>>49144529
Okay but seriously, are (You) happier with a shitty cut-out piece of acrylic lying around than you would be if you just donated directly?
>muh holo merch quality
stfu, acrylic stands are acrylic stands. De-burring the corners or whatever doesn't change that.

>>49149352
As shit as Froot is, the debuffs in NijiEN are much worse. Hex, Enna and Kyo to name a few.

>>49144949
>anti-uinicorn slut
>implying unicorns deserve anything but heartbreak

>>49144591
Might wanna remove the homos from that image since they're getting standardized birthday from now on as well.

>>49143127
>whips out big shlong

>>49147111
Japanese idol companies are not known for their generosity. How do you explain the graduations if hololive talents are swimming in money? Why do so many of their roomates have other jobs?

If they liked their job wouldn't they put everything into hololive? That so many of them go part time is an indicator they know they are getting a bad deal even if they are making a lot of money compared to vtubers at other corpos.

>>49149623
Turns out deciding who to hire by throwing darts at a board isn't such a great idea. Maybe they get more people from outside the vtuber sphere compared to others though, so their new talents are less likely to know how bad they have it in comparison.

>>49137716
>regular monthly salary
LOL

>>49134069
you do know that there are holofans there too right

>>49150825
Not comparable, Nijifags use it like it's a forum
Vox's page has more than 50k comments

>>49149105
>2% is just as good as 50%
>moving goalposts

Anon, you're doing a shit job ad defending this, you're talking about fucking acrylics and buttons vs personalized merch (some of it is kinda generic, but at least is not a fucking button for the hundredth time)
Do you mean to tell me that anycolor is so inept that a button that Chinks can produce 100 for $20 and 2434 sells at $10 a piece, and still eats up 96% of their revenue?
On the other hand, Cover gets personalized plushies, dakis, jackets, and some useless shit (why the ever-loving fuck would I want another cup?) That even if it's chink manufactured it's more expensive to produce, they can recoup their money, and split the revenue 50-50 with the talent?

Pick your poison anon, either Anycolor is a black exploitative company, or it's utterly inept.

>>49143127
BASED

>>49137603
https://ssl4.eir-parts.net/doc/5032/ir_material_for_fiscal_ym3/132632/00.pdf

the numbers are already listed 10,667 for merch sales 10,419 for COS people are braindead

>>49134069
>>49135384
>>49151150
To be fair it's just their version of kiwifarms/lolcow shit. Women love discussing that kind of stuff.