/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Soon brother, very soon

>>49131763
>Confirmed
where?

>>49131763
Confirmed by your schizo delusions, right?

What's Vanguard?

>>49131877
T3MPUS
V4NGUARD

>>49131995
So this means we can compare them with the other 2 EN gens, right? It means they've been a failure on most fronts with only their only saving grave being the whales buying memberships to a bunch of tourists who most likely won't return considering their bleeding audience, right?

>>49132238
>n*mbers

>>49132393
Cool, now answer my question

>>49132694
Numbernumbernumbernumber...

>>49132238
NTA, but they only need to earn enough to cover some percentage of their managers' salaries and some tiny % of all the cover's worker salaries, which is miniscule I assume considering how many streamers are chipping in (regarding managers it's probably just pocket money since managers are spread between bunch of streamers, I'm guessing it's individual) and to pay off the models. The models for homos aren't expensive, since they're hiring small-timers for them who are prob fine with ~2-3K or something for one model. They've done that and more so even if they're not raking in tons of cash, they're still fine. No one in holopro is a failure, they're all bringing in cash, some more than others. Someone extremely inconsistent like Uyu is prob the only one who barely pays off his manager's salary but he's doing fine for himself since this holostar thing is a side-hussle for him, he's mostly working for his parents. Failure means they're costing the company money and that's not the case even for lowest viewed homo whichever one that is. That's just my assumption and it seems like a logical one imo, I honestly don't get where the "omg they're costing holos TENS OF THOUSANDS and SO MANY PROJECTS!" shit is coming from, it honestly makes no sense.

>>49131995
kill yourself

>>49131995
that confirms nothing retard, besides tempus aren't in hololive, they're holostars, and when people refer to en3, they're specifically referring to hololive cause no one gives a shit about these homos

>>49131763
if they are en3 and en4 then they're an objective flop. you guys can either pretend like they're en3/4 and acknowledge that they do terribly, or you can keep them in their own seperate bubble where you only compare them to their JP senpai, in which case you can argue that they do ok, you can't do both

>>49133342
There's obviously no cost to maintain them, but it makes negative reason to debut 8 dudes in sequence (or 12 if you're counting Uproar) without a single new Hololive gen in-between when we're reaching 2 years without a new EN gen. Cover wanted Tempus to fill the EN3 spot, they thought that the western audience would accept them just like they accepted HoloEN, they wanted their own Luxiem so that Anycolor wouldn't control the male vtuber front like they do in Japan, but the only thing they got were a handful of whales who are already drying out for most members while everything else is much lower than what a potential EN3 would have, so on that sense they are a failure.

>>49131763
Vanguard isn't EN4. That's a name homos needed to make themselves, because Cover really believes their shit about them being same gen.
And Tempus as EN3 is biggest flop in history of flops.

>>49131763
Is Uproar JP7?

>>49131763
Confirmed where?

>>49133773
>without a single new Hololive gen
I've said it before and I'll say it again.. Debuting homos doesn't stop them from debuting holos. They have different artists which is the only thing that matters. The only overlap is between riggers and even those take on side jobs so they should have time for some new holos, especially since every holo has a different rigger. Also where are you taking this "they wanted to fill EN3 spot with tempus" stuff from? No one ever said or implied that nor does it make any sense. Homos are a different side thing that has nothing to do with debuting more holos or holoEN3. Dunno where you /#/turds are taking this shit from, all of it has no source to back it up nor does it make any sense.

>>49134110
No EN3 for ALMOST 2 YEARS now and you still trying to keep this shit that they didn't affect debuts at all?

>>49134110
Then where's EN3? Literally every single StarsJP gen debuted close to another Hololive gen. Gen 1 debuted less than 2 weeks before Sankisei, Gen 2 debuted on the same month as JP4, Gen 3 debuted a few weeks after ID1 and Uproar debuted less than a week after ID3. Tempus by comparison not only debuted alone without a single other new HoloPro debut close to them they got another gen barely 6 months after, which is also a record for the foreign gens with ID2 coming 8 months after ID1 and IRyS debuting 10 months after Myth. By your logic we should've had a new Hololive gen around the same time, but for some reason we haven't and the last 12 debuts were all Holostars. Care to give a reasonable explanation for why that happened?

>>49134236
Remember when Valve stopped releasing games and then released Portal and people thought HL3 was delayed because of it?

>>49134236
>>49134554
Could be several reasons. Maybe they see the stats and how debuting more will just spread the audience more thin after the month-long honeymoon wears off making the current streamers even more demotivated. Maybe they don't want to hire more talents since they have no time to internally hire any new managers and to manage those managers etc etc, the company is pretty big you know, and they boomed like crazy in the span of 3 years. There has to be a point where to stop, that's also important.
My favorite theory is that they just haven't found good applicants that fit their premade models and theme. I think one homo said that they look at bunch of things when hiring, and one of the main ones is how well they'd fit the models and ideas they already have prepared in advance meaning that there may be good applicants, but they don't fit the stuff that's prepared for them. Maybe 1 or 2 good applicants are taking their time with finishing their indie or other corpo activities. Maybe the see that EN girls have a good chance of basically dropping their job and almost not streaming making the hiring people even more sceptical towards the applicants.
My point is that no one knows, there could be a bunch of reasons. You have to ask them yourself, but they won't divulge that kind of information. Also >>49134554 , the thing about debuting homos and holos closely is something that can change. Just because they debuted gens close to each other before doesn't mean they always have to do it now, it's a pretty random thing to grab on to.

>>49134669
>Maybe they see the stats and how debuting more will just spread the audience more thin after the month-long honeymoon wears off making the current streamers even more demotivated.
Existence of Tempus 2 disapproves this theory.
>Maybe they don't want to hire more talents since they have no time to internally hire any new managers and to manage those managers etc etc,
Yet, they had enough time to hire managers for 8 faggots...
>My favorite theory is that they just haven't found good applicants that fit their premade models and theme.
Nothing shows that they even tried. Homos had multiple reminders about their auditions. Nothing for HoloEN
>Maybe 1 or 2 good applicants are taking their time with finishing their indie or other corpo activities.
Then they fucking retarded for waiting months for 1 girl no matter how good they believe she is.

>>49134669
These are the same exact excuses I've seen every fucking where in this board and they get even more retarded by the day. >>49135161 already tackled all of them, but the one I hate the most is the "good applicants" cope. The fuck does this even mean? What the fuck is good for you? Do you think half of the Tempus dudes they got are any good? This is an insanely biased argument that depends solely on the theory that Hololive has these insane standards when a lot of the girls they hired for all the branches were pretty much no ones before becoming Holomem, and if they were having trouble getting "good" applicants they would shill the auditions harder just like they did with StarsEN, but the first and only time they did it was 13 months after the open auditions started.

>>49131995
>muh numbers
Vanguard doesn't even have the number 4 you retard. Unless I hear it from the talent themselves, your word means nothing

>>49135477
Again, could be any reason and no one, not even """"cover insiders"""" or epic financial experts sitting 15h/day in /#/ that are living off of their parents or welfare, could know the truth. Also the only good rebuttal from that guy is "they had enough time to hire managers for 8 faggots". the rest I could just turn over and it would never end. Also what's the point in shilling HoloEN auditions? Everyone knows holoen and wants to be one, no? Of they'd shill homo ones since they prob don't have as many people trying to get in. Also homos were nobodies either, only 1 exception just like with Holoen1.
I mean you can come up with whatever you want to dismiss my opinions. Plenty of schizos just come up with stuff so that they'd have ammo to shitfling with while ending up actually believing their drivel. I ain't gonna bother with that, I'm just procrastinating instead of preparing for tomorrow's lecture.

Council was EN3 you absolute retards. EN2 is Project Hope.

>>49135893
>Also the only good rebuttal from that guy is "they had enough time to hire managers for 8 faggots"
They pushed Tempus 2 sooner than they did anything for EN or ID and that actually hurt their overall audience with 3 of them becoming 3views almost instantly after debut and now even some of the Tempus 1 are suffering this, and it makes sense to shill the auditions for HoloEN if they were actually having troubles finding 5 girls to fit whatever the fuck designs they have. The last point also makes no fucking sense because if they are corpos they would've graduated a long time ago since most do not allow their talents to audition to other agencies, and why the fuck it would take that long for them to finish their indie activities? And while you're right that no one will ever find an answer to these questions none of your propositions make any fucking sense, with the most likely considering everything Cover did in the last year or so being them wanting to push Holostars hard to the Hololive audience and failing miserably. Uproar were the new debuts announced during last year's HoloExpo when ID3 dropped out of nowhere like 3 or 4 days after that weekend while the dudes had to wait for almost 2 weeks for it. Tempus 1 had the aforementioned isolated debuts and were the fist HoloPro gen to have a debut orisong and the first (and seemingly last) to have an official NijiEN style (I don't know if they do this for NijiJP) watchalong on HoloLIVE EN's official channel. Then there was the overlap ban between all branches of HoloPro that up until now only affected Uproar's 3D and Tempus 2 debuts, with the former failing to beat Roberu's 3D that was overlapping with Aqua's first master climb and the latter having less viewers than Axel's debut, not to mention their debuts happened during early afternoon hours JST on a fucking Sunday, which is a timeslot many HoloJP members like to use. And to top it all off there was the collab portion of the New Years concert and none of the Holostars who appeared to an audience of 180k+ viewers on Hololive's streams got anything out of it. I don't know if it can get more obvious than that, but apparently all of this were just coincidences that have no relation to the fact that there were no new Hololive debuts in over a year.

>>49131763
only when 1 of them reaches 1 mil

>>49134236
It was a Yagoo level decision to delay EN3 to promote Tempus but some people don't want to accept that. On some level they know how many holoEN fans are tired of Tempus being the center of attention for management. No point in blaming the talents over any of this but it's why you get so many excuses for why there's no sign of EN3 while hololive twitter has already promoted auditions for Tempus 3.

>>49131975
ffy

>>49140676
Holy based

>>49139483
And Cover would be completely insane to go through with the StarsEN3 auditions before debuting a new Hololive gen. Outside of the clown Tempus 2 completely failed to follow up the first batch and it actually spread their already small audience thin and couldn't bring a sizeable new audience. Pushing for another StarsEN gen will hurt the branch even harder unless the third gen miracle hit them, but considering how much the current members are bleeding viewers I doubt such thing is even possible. Cover made a bet, a very risky one, and barely got back what a standard female gen would get them, so let's hope they actually smart up and slow down the releases of new Stars gens for both branches and focus on what will always be their strength.