/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I love Patra, her ASMR and her game streams. She's my wife but you can love her too

Met and Patra yeah it's fucking over for them

>>49060258
Wow anons in denial just a few hours ago in shambles. JP7?

>>49060360
She's going independent.
If anything, she'd go to HL0. And that's not happening either.

>>49060258
She is going to join vshojo jp
Its happening!

>>49060258
Guess she finally figured out she can make more money without the corpo tax

Who is the next biggest talent in 774?

Who?

>>49060258
owari da..

>>49060258
so did she buy her ip then?

>>49060258
She didn't need that faggot Nanashi. She was sticking around because of HoneyStrap.

Oh so the doomsayers earlier were right.

>>49060440
>from dead company to dead company

>>49060411
Honnestly i genuidly ask myself for how long, she is far to big for staying independant to long. Like i'm not even saying that as a troll or anything, it's just that at some point you need some form of support to not go absolutly crazy by having to go through everything by yourself. As a proof look like all the people who leave company to go independant who soon crawl back full speed to a company after experimenting the fucking anoyance of doing all the paperwork yourself.

>>49060482
Haneru probably

VshojoJP

>>49060258
Keeping her IP, outfits, all her archives etc... That's not the worst thing I was expecting.

>>49060482
neru
then rene

>using 774 as a stepping stone
What a bitch

>>49060609
she can just hire an agent to do all of that work she doesnt need a whole company

People who expected her to go corpo again are retarded
She'd take actual years to get her subs back

>>49060681
Isn't 774 dissolving anyway? Just like Met, this all just feels like basic housekeeping and everyone going their separate ways.

>>49060609
She is the type to create her own company

>>49060742
She can join Holo while keeping her channel and model, you know, like Mikochi and Sui-chan

>>49060609
Corpofags are actually mindbroken holy shit, imagine paying for the privilege of having a manager veto all your ideas.

>>49060721
bro they used her

>>49060756
they just had 3 debuts

>>49060803
Cover will never allow anyone to do that again

>>49060756
It’s a dying company, they got acquired by some media company a couple months or so ago who dissolved all the subunits.

>>49060879
VSPO did it with Met, can't see why Cover can't do that, pretty sure Patra is qualified to join Hololive no problem

>>49060258
How is 774 losing these girls? Didn't they create the IP's? They'd have to be stupid to let talents walk away with them while they still want to work.

>>49060609
She is not pushover like Kekson.
She can stay as indie if she want.
She is far from new in this business.

>>49061094
rent freedom

Now that she's indie she should collab
with me
in bed
sex

>>49060987
If your top earners and most prominent members' contract runs out and they refuse to renew but offer to buy out their identity there's not too much they can do.
Anything but saying yes would pit the entirety of the vTubing community against them and could easily spell doom for the agency, best to just let them leave and get both a wad of cash and lots of recognition from the fanbase at being so amicable than risk burning all the goodwill you have and be left with nothing.

let eli keep her model too...

>>49060987
Everybody knows that pulling a Kizuna Ai and having someone else puppeteer a model is a death sentence. So better they find an agreement that lets them leave with the model or retire it forever.

I wonder how much she has to pay 774 to keep the IP and song rights

She'll probably chill as an indie for a bit before retiring. People always forget that you can't vtube forever

>>49060609
You can just hire people yourself. Or VShojo would be a legit option as a agent.

>>49060987
What were they supposed to do?
Try and find a new person to puppeteer Patra?
Letting those girls leave is the best option for them.

>>49060814
Totaly written by a genious mind with insane career prospect, or more likely just some random burger flipper.

>>49060258
>another dead corpo
rumao
774 will be fine

>>49060957
but petra does't need to join hololive, she's already famous enough and doesn't need another company to suck her blood

>>49061264
Naw she is pretty old already, if she wanted to retire she wouldn't have done so. Besides her ASMR isn't taxing her voice.

>>49061438
Joining a corp makes 0 sense if you're already a successful indie, it'd be like running your own very successful company and deciding to shut it down to get some random office job.

>>49061446
Difficult although the rest aren't bad but met and Patra both of there biggest talents left it looks rather grim for them

>>49061263
If vshojo have meaningful support, Vei and Pink Cat won't leave.

>>49061603
They are fine. The other girls might not be quite as huge, but they aren't exactly 2views either.
Absolute worst case they might have to let some staff go.

>>49060721
>Patra was the one using 774
Yeah, right.
>>49061603
Just about to post that.

They have had many major positive announcements this year as far as 774 goes, but the rebranding and disbanding of all the groups are just bad imo, and now Patra leaving just dampens the overall enjoyment of the corp, which is a big shame since I've been with them since 2018.
I hope HNST do stuff in future collabs. Might even fucking invite Eli at this point

>>49061586
Patra is way to prolific and ambitious to stay as a dead ass indie that just wake up to stream for a few hours a day like the lazy whores you call "successful indie".

>>49061586
I would argue that joining a company make the most sence when you are succesfull. Point proven no succesfull content creator are indie. Not a single one. Because something called workload. And a streamer need to stream, a Vtuber sing, record, do asmr stuff and more and more. You are probably very young and still very desilusional about the world but the "one man made" is nothing but a retarded illusion.

>>49061603
As I said, they'll be fine.
774 has been reorganizing for a while, but the members still have their own audience because of how fragmented each unity was.
Not good to lose them, but it's not like they've been expanding like crazy and this will fuck them now

>>49061603
is 774 public? would love to see if this tanks their stock

>>49062135
No only anycolour and cover are public vtuber companies, it's actually very difficult to go public they can't do that without a strong foundation

>>49061954
>Point proven no succesfull content creator are indie
What

>>49061954
Eh success is relative, if you are comparing them to holojp ofcourse they aren't gonna look successful there are successful indies out there noone reaches holojp level but thinking they aren't successful is stupid

>>49061954
literal thirdworlder mindset

>>49062381
Nah anon, if you're not making 7 figures you're a failure

>>49062462
Which Patra does with her asmr

>>49061155
>If your top earners and most prominent members' contract runs out and they refuse to renew but offer to buy out their identity there's not too much they can do.
This sounds like a corpo's worst nightmare.

>>49062495
35 year loan...

>>49061954
Get a load of this word vomit

>>49060258
ungrateful bitch

>>49062135
I believe that their parent company Adways is, but its a huge company and it kept 774inc as secret as possible for a while.

>>49060258
Always interesting to get a snapshot of what's going on in other JP corpos. Does VSPO have any news?

>>49062502
But Riku still sleeping soundly

>>49062620
3Ds.

>>49062502
>This sounds like a corpo's worst nightmare.
It is the inevitable direction of the industry. The more successful Vtubers that exist, the more pressure there will be from fans not to try and kill their brand and identity just to enforce corporate control.

The larger corpos will fight it to the last, but they'll lose in the end.

>>49062656
Oh cool, I'll try to check them out.

>>49060258
LEONA IS NEXT
Ra:act shall fall

>>49062706
schedule:
>>48988801
noah lisa sumire on friday

>>49062502
Being honest the current model of "company owns the rights to the character and you leave them behind when the talent leaves" was never going to last. To me it makes much more sense to give the offer to sell the IP rights to the person as they go, so you can get a chunk of cash on the way out instead of having the model gather dust. Just look at this thread as well, it wouldn't even be seen as a scummy/money grabbing move.

>>49062656
ye

>>49062820
Ah....Qpi is next month....

>>49062821
Yeah, it's not like the company continues to use the character after separation anyway, the design just gets thrown in the trash. The rule only exists as a way to give corpos more leverage over talents, which is why inevitably it will fail and the business model will change.

>>49062820
>Open thread
>VSPO anons have some of the most lukewarm reactions I've seen to 3D announcements.
They probably don't care for them too much but it's still funny to see.

>>49060950
So Animare is kill?

>>49062821
If one of Nijis big ones graduate you can be sure that not only will they keep the IP, they will also make postmortem merch

>>49062502
It is how it is.
Once all these girls start to realize just how much power they really have it's inevitable.
vTubing agencies took a lot of inspiration from how talent agencies focused on IRL entertainment work, but whereas those have connections with countless entertainment programs, radio/tv, venues, producers, etc, etc, that are necessary for success the vTuber agencies really don't have any of that power to back their hold over the girls. It's the girls themselves, maybe a couple people that make assets for them, and Youtube, that's all there is.
Most vTubers should have quite a lot of hold over their agencies if they were willing to exercise it.

>>49063291
yeah. the agencies need the girls a lot more than the girls need the agencies in most cases

>>49063291
Vtuber Union doko?

>>49063083
Yes along with all the others.

>>49063291
Genuinely speaking in a theoretical future who would have a bigger fanbase and audience?

An indie Pekora or Marine who got to keep their IP
OR
A HoloBox supported Subaru or Korone?

Feel like the HoloBox is the last remaining barrier preventing such a future taking place where talents can jump between corporations and going indie like athletes change sports teams.

>>49062271
No need to thank me for redpilling you.

>>49064023
Not that anon but from what I hear other avid Holowatchers Perkora should be mostly fine since she relies on solo content anyways, but it would depend on if they're able to still go strong in terms of sponsorships, events like concerts and other things that Cover would've provided before.

>>49064023
The Holowall is not going to remain standing forever. As more and more successful agencies that don't require you to sign away everything pop up, there will be less and less reason to join Hololive, and the talent inflow will stagnate. Arguably the process has already started.

>>49064212
Aren't they already paying for sololives themselves? Pretty sure Noel and a few others have mentioned that.

>>49064212
>>49064023
The Holo "family" is perfect for giving new talents a huge start since there's so much intermingling and "sharing" of the fans, but I think once they've streamed under them for a time most girls would be totally fine on their own.

>>49064280
Debuting as a Holo vs debuting under quite literally anyone else, let alone independently is an entirely different universe of success.
If you debut as a Holo your success is guaranteed. Even if you fuck up over and over and over again or put in next to no effort you will still have success 99.999% of indies and other corporate vTubers can only dream of.
People will fight tooth and nail for that chance, that's showing no sign of changing anytime soon.

>>49064321
>but I think once they've streamed under them for a time most girls would be totally fine on their own.
Yeah, at the very least none of the top talents in Hololive would struggle to find success on their own. That doesn't mean they have to leave, or want to, but they absolutely could.

>>49064137
How about every 1 or 2 man Youtube channel that exploded into popularity in the last 15 years?

>>49063781
no..

>>49064481
Sure, that is currently the case, but will it always be that way? The Hololive golden ticket is most appealing for people with the least talent and/or motivation, obviously Hololive does some screening to keep out the dregs, but the fact remains that people that have the ability to make it on their own already don't need Hololive.

If new generations of Hololive made up mostly of people who lose all ambition six months after debut keep showing up, eventually the companies reputation and brand power will decline.

>>49060258
Is the entire company kill? Website down? Wiki deleted?

>>49065360
Nijiniggers are probably to blame

>>49065360
no?

>>49065229
>The Hololive golden ticket is most appealing for people with the least talent and/or motivation
You need a lot more than talent and motivation to become successful.
You can be the most talented entertainer on the face of the earth, if you don't luck into someone established giving you publicity somewhere nobody will ever find you.
What you need is exposure, a big popular agency like Hololive gives you that.
I guarantee you, there are very, very, very, few indies or corporate vTubers that would say no to a re-debut under Hololive.

>>49064707
You know what, let's play a game do you recognise those names : UTA, evolved, night media doe you recognise those?

>>49065767
>I guarantee you, there are very, very, very, few indies or corporate vTubers that would say no to a re-debut under Hololive.
You say that, but who are the big indie and small corpo vtubers scrambling to sign up with Hololive? Hololive exposure isn't free, it comes with strings attached.

>>49066016
Why are you talking about the lucky few that made it already anon?
We are talking about the countless ridiculously talented girls that never lucked into fame.
Of course someone like Patra isn't going to scramble and drop everything for a chance to re-debut under a new identity in Hololive, but there's hundreds of thousands of girls just as, if not more talented, than her that abso-fucking-lutely would.

>>49063198
yep they have proven this with Lulu and Gibara both of them were among their highest earners and now they are doing well as indies

>>49066009
I can say names too
Pewdiepie, Markiplier, Game Grumps

>>49060258
wow, one of their biggest talents, they should replace her with hanerus mother, best milf ever.

>>49067115
I'll applaude that by totaly pure hazard you got one right, markplier. The other ones were xQc and Mr beast just for pointless culture. This is the true color of the "indie scene" you just don't know the names of the companies behind, that is all. Well to be honnest to fill your taxes you need to open at least a micro company anyway as soon as your revenue reach the required level, around 100 viewer or so IIRC. Who is the plague of content creators and the main reason why they join corps.

>>49065229
>people that have the ability to make it on their own already don't need Hololive
I wish, but that's not true in practice.

>>49065229
Talent doesn't mean shit
90% of it is luck in the end
There's so many untalented pieces of shit that just so happened to be in the right place at the right time to go viral and get tremendous growth
And infinitely more incredibly talented folks that just never even got an opportunity to show off their skills

>>49065767
>You can be the most talented entertainer on the face of the earth, if you don't luck into someone established giving you publicity somewhere nobody will ever find you.
This so much, people are unaware that when Gen3 first debuted that the initial star of the Gen was Noel due to her PL. Marine actually struggled in her first couple months and even menhera tweeted a bit on her PL before locking it up for good. Marine's break was a collab with Hayase Sou, a much more prominent vtuber from Nijisanji who provided Marine her first 'big stage' to witness what she was capable of. Marine went from her streams getting 15k-40k views and 600-1500 likes prior to that collab to getting 2x those numbers a month later as more and more people took notice and gave her a chance.

didn't watch the Patra's announcement stream, but JPs been talking about how Patra taking 35 years loan to bought the IP and all assets from 774, is that true?

>>49070575
>but JPs been talking about how Patra taking 35 years loan to bought the IP and all assets from 774, is that true?
from 32 years to 35 years, so she was able to get a bit more extension

>>49061438
Most companies aren't Hololive, there's no guarantee you'll make more money in a non-Holo corpo. In fact we just had an example of an indie losing money after joining a black company.

Friendly reminder that this is company where they sexually harass the talents

>>49065229
Hololive lets you coast by, but working hard guarantees even more success.

>>49071552
So like Holo and Niji too

>>49070891
Holy F

>>49060258
It was only a matter of time after THAT

>>49070575
>>49070891
this is why you learn japanese instead of leaning on retarded EOPs. the loan is for her studio and has nothing to do with the IP buyout.

>>49060258
motherfuckers I heard around Petra was opting out and I thought it was Niji Petra

>>49076589
Kill yourself.

>>49076728
if niji Petra graduates I will gladly kill myself after I kill every other nigger on this board

Denpa fag here. What goes around comes around.

>>49073796

>>49060721
On the off chance this isn't a troll post and you are legitimately retarded, she was popular long before becoming a vtuber and along with Haneru she was the only thing keeping 774 afloat.

>>49077153
Based.

>>49060258
VshojoJP

They were dead to me after the Hinako sekuhara

>>49063044
we don't really watch them for the 3d skits or idol dance/performances. and most will never use the model for daily fps pewpew, so we don't care. no new possibilities were unlocked, nothing to be excited about

if they would play some garry's mod or some VR shooter with the model, that's another story

>>49077285
Didn't we all?

>>49062502
not really, you can delete everything and pretend they never existed which earns you $0 and no goodwill or you can get a stack of cash and look good

>>49085112

>>49087572
same

>>49060258
>Continuing activities
Thank god, now she can play Boktai 2.

Weird, Patra's article on the biggest doxxsite has been removed.

>>49060482
Haneru, but she's dying of cancer.

>>49062795
How is Re:Act still standing? Qu-chan's graduation should've killed them.

>>49092340
Leona.

>>49063345
This is only true for the top money makers, but even then, Cover lost two of their biggest earners and have only grown bigger and better, since then. Some corpos can whether the loss of big talents no problem.

>>49064280
No, the JP side is like 4 years ahead of EN. Most of their small corpos have already failed and the industry has consolidated. 774 and Re:Act will eventually fail and there will only be 4-5 relevant JP corps left. Also, the industry is still growing in Japan unlike in the west. HoloJP will likely be the last VTuber corp, in the end.

>>49065229
They only have this problem with EN talents.

>>49091579
It has been for a while now. Both her and 774inc released a statement that they are going to take legal action.

>>49071486
>Hololive
still a jp company, keep dreaming holotard.

>>49077153
kek, i'll rip out your liver organ like how boars effortlessly rip out a shitbull's intestines, nijinegro.

>>49060258
Who the hell is Patra

>>49098960
newfagchama...

>>49095275
Meanwhile in burakukara

>>49060258
I love her and wish her the best in the future, I also hope 774 goes to hell by themselves.

>>49063044
nose had a zatsu soon after the announcement and her reaction was mostly
>ahh I'll have to get out of the house and move around, what a pain, idk what I'm gonna do, can I just sit on my ass for the thing
so yea, audience reflects the streamer or something
much like her I'm most curious about shinomiya's 3d, just to see some kind of proof of her corporeal form
and also if beni is gonna get banned for hers

>>49102008
It was also known to be coming for a while, and already teased

>>49061685
Pink Cat left VShojo from lack of support.
Meanwhile VShojoJP saved Kson's anniversary concert despite being a last minute request. Even just listening to VShojoJP's CEO, the management seems completely different in their work ethic.

>>49077487
>she was popular long before becoming a vtuber
What was Patra known for before 774? Still ASMR? Asking because the only member of 774 I'm familiar with at all is Mary.