/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>49056628
Based?
Niji should fire all their livers and set up the models like Nuero-sama.
Those 3DPD deserve nothing and are completely replaceable.

nijicope

The company owns their models
The company makes the merch
niji members ain't do anything

They market the IP. There would be 0 sales without the vtuber behind the cute anime character.

>>49056855
True except for debut merch.
There is nothing to market with debut merch except for how the vtuber looks.

>>49056628
You asking if its bad when Pomu makes 0.22 dollars for every anniversary headband sold and that is without taxes.
Niji keeps the other 22 Dollars.

Wait, are their prices even made with 1% in mind?
Headband is 22.22 Dollars.
Snapshot card is 2.22 Dollars
Acrylic Stand is 11.11 Dollars.

The 1% are literally the cents. What.

>>49056628
Bro, the reason most people buy the figures is because of the person behind the model.
Without that, almost no one would buy them.

>>49056628
Honestly it's okay, niji members don't even matter, no one would care if they graduated.

>>49057017
You can't convince me that people buy Pink Cat stuff for her personality instead of her design.

At least we went from
>it's not real
to
>it real, but it's actually fine
You know you can disapprove of things the company does and still like the livers, right?

>>49056628
But the merch and the model are useless as soon as the chuuba quits. The entire financial value of anything connected to the character revolves around the chuuba themselves. It baffles me how they can treat integral assets this way just to be cheapskates. Do they look into how desperate someone is for a job during the interview or how do they still even have employees.

>>49056628
>Seriously is 2% merch cut even bad?
Yes, next question.

Yeah it's pretty bad. It wouldn't be so bad if there were like 8 billion pieces of merch being moved, but in reality, when something releases, unless you're a top vtuber, you're probably moving less than a few hundred units. You'll be lucky to see triple digits back.

Yes it's horrible. No one with a decent sized following would ever sell their likeness for 2%. You'd be a laughing stock for that kind of an offer

>>49057242
Real talk. Let us take Pomu's headband for the anniversary.
They need to sell 450 of those just for Pomu to break triple digits whereas Niji would break into 5 digit sales.

>>49057362
But it’s cute
I will still buy it

>>49057362
Oh and as always, never forget those taxes. So you may need even more just so Pomu can break into triple digits post taxes.

This company is a joke.

>>49057015
It's kind of funny the 2% news broke on the same day the new merch was advertised. I literally went from
>Oh wow that's shitty
to
>Ooh those stands look nice maybe I should grab one
to
>Oh wait Pomu wouldn't even get half a dollar from the purchase never mind and fuck moneybags tazumi
in five seconds lmao.

>>49056690
You will own nothing and be happy.

>>49056628
I don't get it, 2%? Company gets only a 2% cut from sales while the rest goes to tslents? How the fuck is this bad exactly?

>>49056628
It's actually not that bad compared to capitalism. Western movies, games etc all make billions but their workers get paid minimum wage. That's not even 0.1% of the profits.
It's even worse if you work in a chink sweatshop that doesn't even get paid on minimum wage. And most nijikeks are chink sweatshop workers, so they don't really see the 1% as that bad.

>don't do anything
>make money
sounds like a deal

>>49057457
Bro why does he look like such a snide little cunt?

>>49057495
No it's opposite

>>49056628
Jesus, if you continue the stream it's pretty fucked to see him devolve into a stuttering nervous mess trying ultra hard to change the topic when someone in chat says "Are you allowed to say that".
It's like an "I'm gonna tell your parents" moment to kindergartners.

https://youtu.be/ov_oeUWOAqA?t=4345 [Open]
> Wait does Niji merch have international shipping costs? I didn't know. I've never ordered anything.
> "Yes" - chat. *laughs* GET FUCKED IDIOTS! You guys are getting fucked over, while I'm sitting here in YOUR money!
> I'm just kidding bro I get like one percent from merch sales. I ain't getting shit. Fuck man I'm getting scammed myself. Maaan. Whatever.
> I wish I was joking. Anyway.
https://youtu.be/ov_oeUWOAqA?t=4401 [Open]
> *realizes he fucked up and starts diverting* what else is there to talk about bro? I dunno how to talk *jokes around*!
> "Are you allowed to say that?" - chat
> *silence*
> *serious voice* Uhhh, yo, I'm just kidding, I actually earn 99% of- you know what I'm just kidding, none of the values I said are true values okay?
> I've never *stutters* none of the values I said are true, all of them are fake values that I just made up.
> I would never even SAY how much I earn percentage-wise for merch *devolves into gibberish*
https://youtu.be/ov_oeUWOAqA?t=4463 [Open]
> "'Legally I must say I was lying about percentage earnings' moment" - chat
> Exactly! I WAS lying! You guys will never know the actual amount I earn.
> "Welcome back man, hope you had a nice break." - Ren. Hey, THANKS Ren.
> Yea Ren, tell 'em. We earn.. uh.. you know what don't tell 'em anything actually, what am I talking about.
> We don't earn ANYTHING! In fact, streamers don't earn money.
> In fact, every time you donate to me, we don't earn- actually, that's also bad to say, I DO earn money, the money does go to me that you send to me.
> Fuck. I need to shut up. Let's have a new topic, please, thank you. Yes?
> Someone say something, I need a switch right now, RIGHT NOW.
> Why has my chat froze? LET ME GET ANOTHER TOPIC! WHY HAS MY CHAT FROZE !? PLEASE !

>>49057015
That would be absolutely fucking hilarious, but I believe they're just autoconversions from JPY to USD.

>>49056628
This is the type of stuff I see people from SEA would agree to because money is still money right?
But no, you anons need to understand that 2% is way too fking low.
Like imagine finana's merch only got like 100 sales. Keep in mind also that they don't fund them anything in their time their other than getting 30% in their SCs.

They don't work hard because they have low ccv, they work hard because they have low income.
Tho I think this company is a good stepping stone to start then leave after 1-2 yrs so you can do your own or join another better company, luna would know.

>>49056628
>niji members ain't do anything
They're the reason why people buy their merch

>>49057495
Other way around. Talent gets the 2% and Anycolor gets 98%.

>>49057596
2% of a mcdonalds clerk in burgerland is a fortune for seanigs, as long as they stay in seanig territory. Everything is cheaper there, compared to burgerland.

>>49057545
is just an average asian face.

>>49056628
Anon I know you're retarded but not like this

>>49056628
>have to pay for their own models
>the company still owns them
>company takes 99% of their money
why does anyone join this company

>>49057362
Translation:
If Pomu earns 100 Dollars, Niji at the same earns 10,000.

That is the aspect of the ratio here and how unfair the % is.

>>49057782
How different is that to most jobs that exactly?
Your boss earns a new car, you earn a new burger and maybe a bonus beer. Your CEO earns a new yacht.

>>49057581
So after he came out of his 30 day stealth suspension did he just walk into another?

I think anykara will be the first to throw out real people for ai vtubers, there is no reason to share profit at all then

Anons.

Who is paying their travel expenses, like when they actually have to go to Japan or got scheduled a collab with livers in another nation or even continent?
Who is paying for the hotels and provisions?

>>49057015
>merch is overpriced so the Talents get their cut
>nvm they only get 1-3%
bro what the fuck

>>49056628
how much they paying u extra for doing this shit in overtime, hope it isn't 2%

BASED DRAMANIGGER

>>49057923
I bet you the used tissue in my pocket that the talents have to pay for themselves.

>>49057923
If it's for company business I'd hope the company is, but it's Niji we're talking about.

>>49056628
Yes. They shouldn't be paid at all if they don't put input into it.

>>49057097
>Denial
>Anger
>Bargaining (ITT)
>Depression
>Acceptance

>>49057839
i get stable monthly salary, they dont. Also merch sales directly tied to vtuber performance, the more fans he/she has means more sales

>>49057015
This kind of put things into perspective for me. I used to dislike niji and hate nijifags but this just makes me feel bad for nijitalent... They really only exist to be extorted and buy that weird jaw guy his yachts... He probably makes them give BJs to shareholders too. I no longer dislike the nijitalent, it's just all around sad. It's really no wonder nijifags are as deranged as they are.

No one in the world would give up merch rights for 2% of the profit. How is this even a question

>>49058156
A stable salary of a burger and a beer. This is the real cope.

>>49057895
his own fault for not being a part of the clique.

>>49057772
>why does anyone join this company
"Niji love niji love niji love" like automated bot accounts.

>>49057923
>can't even pay for hana plane ticket for a year.
>until her genmate quit suddenly she got a 3D
Kek

>>49056628
Technically, you're right, everything about merch is processed by Niji and livers don't need to lift a single finger. I get where you're coming from. But 1% is kinda too low don't you think?
That means for every 100$ items that you bought, they only get 1$. Most items are more or less only 10$, you do the math, and see how much they get.

I think they took the phrase "my 2 cents" too literally.

>>49056628
>the niji members ain't do anything
>but support them anyways
>it isn't that bad
>just buy more of their product
>shut up about bad things about niji
>niji love

>>49056628
So, what's the cut for the other corpos? 2% sounds really small but I have no idea of what's the standard for the industry, vtubers don't put any work for the merch aside the VPs which we know pay better than this, the merch only uses their "image", but that image is of a copyrighted character

>>49057146
>Do they look into how desperate someone is for a job during the interview
Going by what was asked of Zaion, yes. Obvious red flag.
Even after this, Niji will still get applicants, and even go through their silly training camp. I assume they have to pay out of their own pocket for that too. Wactor is proof of this.

>>49056628
>The company owns their models
Pretty sure bland milquetoast zero-creative-risk techwear anime boy designs don't make people buy merch. The merch sales come from an attachment to the personality and voice associated with it

>>49056921
>debut merch
Is that a thing?

>>49058672
Totally. XSoleil debuted Dec. 6.
Debut merch released 3 days later.

>>49058672
>>49058768

>>49057581
Mysterio…

>>49056628
Yes it's quite horrible.

>>49058793
This explains all those half-year anniversary, birthday anniversary, quarter year anniversary merch they keep pumping out. Jesus, how shameless can they get?

>>49057923
Anon, Niji doesn't cover their travel expenses, they're pretty much fucked if they don't live in Tokyo.

>Zaion unironically makes more money
No wonder kyo fucking hates his circumstances roru roru

>>49058672
Debut is an easy hype. Of course they'll sell merch capitalizing on that. Probably make back the few money invested on the talent on that same event so graduating them won't make a net loss.
This is why niji is using the chinese human wave tactics with their gens. The only ones that incur losses for the saturation are the talents themselves.

>>49056628
Not bad you dramanigger. Nijisanji is betting people will buy more merch since it's WAY more affordable than Hololive. The quantity sold will outweight the high percentage of barely any sold. It's a safe bet because they are still a growing company while Hololive is in decline. Niji Stronk!

>>49056628
Niji members stream a lot to bring value to the IP and generate hype for the merch. I'm not sure why they do it, though, since they make no money off it. I'm guessing management is cracking a whip over their backs.

>>49058263
what are you talking about, tardo?

I won't even be surprised if they manipulate the numbers of items sold, so they can pay them even less. Then they need to pay tax, so they end up scraps.

This just confirms again how privileged Finana is. She ain't earning these hundreds of dollars to spend on gacha from Niji.

>>49059050
Nothing an illiterate like you would understand, seanig kid. Go back to collecting trash so you can afford school.

>>49059058
They won't go that far right?
Right?

The answer is fairly simple.
Nijifans need to speak with their fucking wallets. Stop buying the merch and make it known why - you want your oshis to get a larger cut of the profits. Corpos only see dollar signs (or in this case, yen signs), make them understand.

>>49058959
She’s currently in debt and makes somewhere between 60-80k as a streamer. I can’t give so it’s the same across the board but recently Millie accidentally showed her analytics and she brings in 5k a month on YouTube and last year nina said she made 4k a month on voice packs. Add in members and most talents are hitting 100k. Though because of taxes it’d be more cost effective to hit 80k

>>49058460
Holo talent get 30% more or less for custom merch depend on how much money they spend to covering the production cost. But it's the case when their merch sold out, they could lose money if there is any leftover.

>>49059301
You have a wallet to speak with, some have a bank. Which do you think they will listen to?

No wonder Scarle baits for superchats so much, the less viewers you have the more fucked you are

>>49056628
Great bait thread, sister. In case you're actually braindead and asking this seriously – the only reason why all of the merch in question is constantly sold out is because of these fucking livers, not because a company purchased the materials or commissioned an artist. All of this would be worth nothing without the emotional attachment that streamers create to their personas.

>Vshojo gave 0%
>Hololive gives a large percent
>Nijisanji gives 1%
First off, all you drama fags used to praise vshojo and say merch doesn’t matter. Next they get a bigger cut from sc/stream labs, voice pack and they get a nice cut from sponsors. They make enough to not need to get a side job and some of them buy houses. They at least bring home more than an entry level position. And the luxiem fag brought up the low merch percentage a while ago. Too many of you watch drama channels that get this shit from here

>>49060027
>vshojo gives 0%
Where did you hear that

>>49060225
Pulled it out of my ass.

>>49059597
>recently
That was over a year ago

>>49058917
The yachts aren't going to pay for themselves.

>>49056690
God this faggot has the most punchable face in Japan.

>>49060225
It is possible for a streamer to sell a merch privately, but he/she must also bear the production costs, advertising costs, necessary expenses, and losses.
On other hand, if you buy an ironmouse figure from the official site, it will not benefit her.

>>49059038
Who the hell buys merch because of affordability? Do they have no preferences or favorites and just pick what's ever cheapest even if they don't know the character at all?

>>49056628
Actually the more I think about it, the more 2% seems normal.
Think about mainstream merch like Marvel or Star Wars toys for example. The actors put in all the work to become the character and the toys feature their likeness but you just know Disney and Hasbro take all the money with only 2% left for the actors.

>>49056628
As a point of comparison: VShojo primarily makes money through merch sales gives the talents an 85% cut. Just so we're clear on how bad the range of 1-3% is.

>>49056628
Vshojo gives 0% from merch. This is nothing new. Everybody knows that best way to support streamers is and always was streamlabs.

>>49062386
Even record labels, one of the most predatory businesses where they hold all the cards, at least give their artists 10%.
And SAG-AFTRA maintains a minimum rate that actors can be paid. This argument would hold more water if Anycolor even paid a salary.

>>49057097
It not real
And if it was, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not AnyColor's fault.
And if it was, they didn't mean it.
And if they did, the talents deserved it.

>>49063302
Why are you lying? It's a well known fact that Vshojo gets all the merch money. In exchange they don't take cuts from donos.

>>49063484
Niji kek seething and coping
>>49063302
this is for the Vshojo merch that they don't commision themselves. They can organize their own products and sell them for full too.

>>49056628
I don't see any problem, just buy 50 times more products

>>49063696
based retarded genius

>>49063681
Well known to who? Antis on /vt/? VShojo making its money through merch does not mean that they take all the money from merch. That's something people here propagated because they're retarded. The number's always been 85% for the talent, 15% for the company after whatever cut the storefront being used gets.

What was the original source for this?

>>49064110
Either something the livers said themselves or random posts from /here/, like always, since dramafags don't have actual inside information

Nice

>>49064110
I think it was Mysterio spilling the beans after coming back from a stealth suspension

>>49064110
False asked multiple people to corroborate something he was told.

>>49063828
>The number's always been 85% for the talent, 15% for the company
If you didn't post this as a joke, you are insane.
If it's such a great place to work, why did three people quit in one week?

>>49062386
Maybe when it comes to merchandise, but the actors get paid a shit ton of money for appearing on the movies. Niji livers don't even have a salary to make up for the 2%

>>49056690
Okay Riku

Never trust a guy named Riku unless they're either talking about the heart and darkness or they're a Nopon.

>>49064110
Niji Livers have said it for years. But apparently False had actual source he asked about it.

>>49065071
Because there's more to an org than just merch sales. There's also sponsorships and the frequency thereof, the expectation that you'll be representing everyone in your group and not just yourself, and all manner of things. One of the reasons Vei left is literally because she loves saying the word retarded so much.

kson was right

Remember how the cope from a few months ago was that it's fine for the merch to be mass produced cheap plastic acrylics because it's making the livers money without them having to invest in custom merch designs?

Now they're coping that 2% is normal

>>49056628
>It's not even true he's a liar
>He should be sued for leaking fake information
>Well it's probably true but Hololive and other corpos do the same
>Okay other corpos don't do the same but it's totally reasonable because the livers don't even matter
Imagine worshiping the corpo this much instead of just watching streams.

>20 threads about fauna
>new threads about 2% get deleted
Janny hate

>>49056628
its good for new talents at any jp, kr or cn companies (i am not sure about the us or canada), they dont have much to negotiate after all, it is crap for talents already established and with a good amount of followers.

>>49056628
it's okay, i support slave wages too.

>>49057097
>You know you can disapprove of things the company does and still like the livers, right?
nijifans don't care about the livers though, they only care about the corpo.

>>49065929
>or they're a Nopon.
Based xenoblade 2 enjoyer.

>I love my niji oshi!
>Yeah it's totally fair that they barely get a 2% cut from their merch
What's really fucked up is that the stealth suspensions prevent them from streaming and, you know, getting money. Why would ANYONE want to join this fucking company?

>>49070739
>leave wagecucking
>for a black corpo
being Pomu is suffering

>>49057015
>for every thousand headbands sold, talent gets 220 bucks, essentially a minimum wage paycheck
>they sell merch like twice a year and rarely move even a hundred units
What a terrible fucking deal holy shit. They'd literally be better off as indies at that point.

>>49056628
That merch is worth nothing without the association with the person

>>49056628
kek a fucking black company

>>49063302
dont try to lie your ass here anon, lol

>>49057015
AND THEY GET TAXED
TAXED ON LITERAL CENTS
Black as fuck

>>49059644
30% for holos is sc, after subtracting youtubes cut, covers cut and taxes. Holo merch is variable, from the vast majority of the cut if the holo pays for the produce (this is most of anniversary/birthday merch); cover biting a part of it if the holo asks cover to help on the initial investment; to unknwon values with merch that includes a third brand like for example omocat

>>49072733
This is your mind on /vt/ rrats

>>49060225 I recall Silvervale mentioning that they got 0% from vshojo merch

>>49056628
>random bullshit costs 300% the normal price because it's merch
>the one the merch is based on only gets 1-3%
Yes it's extremely bad

>>49056628
I swear to god niji sisters really act like K-pop tards

>>49060027
>Vshojo gave 0%
No wonder Nya & Vei left

>>49073942
>source: trust me bro

>>49056678
This

Don't Niji's talents need to pay the costs for their own merch as well?

>>49056628
2% merch cut is absolute garbage, if you sell 10 t-shirts now by yourself as a total nobody loser you probably make more on your shitty t-shirts than Reimu's made since she joined Niji lmao

Merch cuts are going to vary by liver, they all have their own contract. Deron made a video about it ages ago, she got way more than 2%. If Mysta has a shit contract, that's unfortunate, but that doesn't mean they all do. There's no way Selen is shilling as hard as she does for a 2% cut, lol.

>>49056628
Anycolor still more income than holo

>>49078557
Selen needs every scrap of money she can get to fund her projects.

>>49059597
>Add in members and most talents are hitting 100k. Though because of taxes it’d be more cost effective to hit 80k
I wish schools taught financial literacy. That's not how tax brackets work. You pay the same amount of tax on all income in lower brackets, no matter what your top bracket is. IE, on fed income tax, you pay 24% of the amount over $89,075, 22% of any money between $41,776 to $89,075, etc.

>>49078845
>Took 98% of money from your talents
>Make less revenue than Hololive but make more net income than Hololive
Bravo Riku!

>>49057772
>have to pay for their own models
Wait really?
>why does anyone join this company
Unironically Clout. It's a larger reach than 99% of indies have.

>>49056690
There's no way this smug twink scammer doesn't end up with a katana through his torso when a disgruntled employee goes full yandere... in Animal Crossing.

>>49079362
>have to pay for their own models
>Wait really?
No, that's actually the only thing the company pays for.

>>49079166
they dont make less revenue than holo retard, they make 4 billion more

>>49078845
Stop living in the past...sister
Look at how pathetic their SC is nowadays

>>49058768
>3 days later
If the debut merch was on sale before the actual debuts then you'd have something
But even if it's just one debut stream, they've already embodied the character and people are buying that debut merch based on their performance during the debut

>>49060225
I don't think exact numbers have ever been shared, but it's understood that VShojo takes a majority of merch profit.
That and a cut from sponsors is the only funding they get from their talents. All other revenue sources (Twitch subs/bits, YouTube superchats, direct donations) are completely untouched.

>>49082283
And its clear why, because barely any of it goes to the talents.

>>49082562
>$16,02
nice
Thats one Happy Meal!

>>49082562
Jesus Luxiem fell off

I've never seen anyone hate the talents and love the company like niji fans. The only people I've seen with the same kind of hate for the people they should be supporting is communists

>>49084963
It's the Luxiemfags that suck the company's dick.

>>49056628
Someone post the wagie cagie

>pay for your own model equipment and your music
Nijis are getting fucking robbed lul

Why is everyone making a big deal out of this when Kiara leaked the hololive numbers? In fact they pay with something else

>>49087976
Jesus christ Pomu needs to get out asap

>>49087976
>shlop shlop
God that must be some juicy chicken

>>49056628
>niji members ain't do anything
Daily reminder that by this logic they should get 100% of superchats after yt cut

>>49082562
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1UtRnGn5hc

>>49084963
It's the sisters. Their hierarchy goes: Luxiem>Nijisanji>>>>everyone else

>>49064869
I think it’s more realistic that False interviewer Zaion and she mentioned it offhand, and then False had to confirm it with other livers. Mysta would be digging himself a grave since he already bitched about the topic once before, surely he isn’t that retarded.

>>49056628
This is just for generic merch, probably the same in Holo

>>49056628
It looks bad, because smaller corps give much more than that. Then you have Cover making their talents wealthy off of merch.

It makes sense in a standard corporation that solely aims to please the shareholders. But most shareholders don't give a damn about the long term growth. And going Anycolor's CEO's track record, neither does he.
But it does not work like that with the entertainment industry. Where the stars make the most wealth. To whom the fans think they are giving their money to.
Otherwise, it's a typical black company keeping their talents in indentured servitude. Taking 99% of the earnings.

>>49059644
>30%
That's for SC's and memberships.
Holos pay out of pocket to get their commemorative merch made thus their cut is the majority. Would have to be much more than a mere 30%.
The cut only swings in Cover's favor early on when the holos don't have the capital to front up so Cover pays more and thus earns more.
Once a holo becomes well established with a loyal fanbase then they can afford more enticing merch.
So unless a holo fucks up big time they make bank, from less popular ones all the way to the top of the lists.

Despite this veritable cashcow formula some still fuck up and sabotage themselves. Case in point: Kronii. Holy shit what a shitshow.

>>49078210
EN don't have fancy personalized merch they designed or thought up like holos do anymore; it's just bland cookie cutter shit.
Talent/company share issues aside, there's going to be no small contingent of fans, perhaps the majority, who buy this crap thinking it's supporting their favorite liver. But it isn't.
Anykara is taking advantage of both their livers and their fans too. Scummy shit right there.

>>49056628
>provide ip
>makes the talent famous over night
>organize whole production
>pay artists and product designers
>pay to have it made
>set up store and all the associated headaches
The talents are lucky to get anything when they did no fucking work and had their fame handed to them. You know vtubers from "other" agencies fund and produce their own merch so they get a bigger cut, right? Margins on this shit isn't
great and the risk is big to the one putting up the capital. This is basically free money for the talents.