/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Ah yes, it's niji deflection week again

>>48990537
that is a lot of people tho

>>48990537
niji deflection

what does holostars en have to do with vshoujo?

>>48990537
Losing to ID3
Graduation when

>>48990625
my uni class as like 3 time the attendance

>>48990537
How did we went from constant tempus shilling to nonstop whining?

First, niji deflection thread
Second, still not a new argument, slander or shit fling from the last Tempus seethe thread. You claim you want to "shit on them" but you aren't bringing anything new to shit on them with, you won't shit up their general, their channels or their chats. You're just advertising them with the mildest insult like a shill. Thanks for nothing.

Skill issue. Tell the whores to grow a talent.

>>48990537
POPULAR DEMAND

>>48990709
*not simultaneously but still

>>48990714
The new tactic is to shill them by "insulting them" with the same thing literally everyone has heard by now and make them live in anons heads. Case in point >>48990763
This isn't an insult, it doesn't hurt the fans or the talents, it only spreads awareness of them. Not even their fans talk about them this much and they would actually die if everyone ignored them, and shill threads like this from unexposure. But it's a shill campaign disguised as a bait thread, so of course anons will bite.

>>48990537
>Killing
They had literally no impact on the girl's numbers, the ones declining would be in that position regardless

>>48990714
Tourist lef the board, and they left tempiss too.

>>48990751
>>48990858
This is indeed a shill compaign... for holo jp. It's only a matter of time in threads like this before someone says "this is why i don't watch en anymore, only jp!"

>>48990537
Good disband lazy branch

>>48990861
Tempus took the place of EN3, which would have revitalized the branch
Tempus tried to make themselves part of Hololive English instead of part of Holostars, and killed the gachis
Tempus shilling took over every official account and discussion site, which killed the community
Tempus split the fanbase and created a gay little culture war, which no outsider wants to be a part of

>>48990537
>Imagine lumping in the usual Holostars audience with Hologirl audience
Actual /#/ brainrot.

>>48990858
That is a way to promote underdogs mate, not a way to promote loosers. So stop that homobeggar cope.

>>48990999
If we're going with that stupid analogy. Then I guess Uproar took JP7's spot but I don't see anyone crying about it.

Homos are irrelevant.
Hololive EN is dead because Gura stopped streaming. EN has always been Gura + friends.

>>48991086
They're only irrelevant when you stop talking about them. Hate gives them relevance whether you like it or not.

>>48991110
too bad it doesn't give them views

>>48991086
Gura completly stopped streaming just before tempiss anouncement for you to know.

Why are you so obsessed over them? Just admit you watch them and move on.

>>48991141
Please if YAGOO cared about views he would have disbanded Holostars since 2020.

>>48991078
Because they have enough talents and holoX debuted more than one year after Gen5

>>48991155
Weakness. Fauna, Mumei, Kiara and IRyS did not have the same problem. Stop using this cope.

>>48991078
Uproar debuted less than 4 months after Holox while Tempus had 8 dudes in less than 6 months and we've yet to see any sings of EN3. Stop comparing both, it'll only make you look stupider.

>>48991201
They debuted after Council dipshit and two months barely passed by.

>>48991241
>Stupider
If that's the case then stop comparing Holostars slots with Hololive slots. You'd have to be retarded not to see the fault in your own logic

>>48991278
>>48991324
We're comparing JP to JP and EN to EN, retard.

>>48991072
>reminding people tempus exists is now a homobeggar cope
?????

>>48991346
What difference does it make? Actual comparisons have to be made branch by branch. Lumping in StarsEN with HoloEN just because the Twitter account shilled them is actual retardation

>>48991278
3 months and also different branches.

>>48991324
That would only make sense if we had an EN3 in the last few months. Every single Holostars gen before debuted close to a Hololive one, but Tempus was the only one that debuted completely alone and they also hold the record of fastest debut of a new gen for the foreign branches. Explain to me why it's been 16 months since the start of the open auditions and the only thing we got out of it were the 8 StarsEN members?

>>48991389
>just because the Twitter account shilled them
They have the same management, just look at IRyS, tard.

>>48991421
6 members originally, got 2 more but debuting 8 at once makes no sense, so they split the debuts.
There's literal proof out there of 2 extras existing outside of the first 4 around a month or two after the first 4 had their debuts.
To be very specific it was the rust stream where someone made monkey noises and they initially blamed management. Those monkey noises were later confirmed by flayon that it was him that did it.

>>48991448
>They have the same management, just look at IRyS
God I really hope that's not true because IRyS has been shat on by management maybe the most out of anyone in EN. If Tempus management that basically does everything they can for them is the same as the ones running Project Hope then that really drives home the point that they picked favorites and left IRyS out to die.

>>48990999
>Tempus took the place of EN3
Retard.
>Tempus tried to
No they didn't.
>Tempus shilling took over every official account and discussion site, which killed the community
People wanting to talk about them did not kill anything.
>Tempus split the fanbase
Splitfags and dramawhores only have themselves to blame.

>>48991448
They literally don't though.
Tempus has their own managers split between the old and new members. Axel and Bettel share the same gorilla mane-chan. Flayon and Vesper share the same manager, etc.
If stars shared the same managers as live, whoever has gorimane would see a lot more done.

>>48991448
They don't you shitbag. None of the boys have Omega and the Enma twins as managers. 5 of them have male managers while the other three share the same two female managers.

>>48991543
They don't, otherwise whoever has gorimane (Axel and Bettel's manager) would be eating so good.
Literally no one in liveEN eats as good as them.
At most they share the same discord and this is a proven fact.

>>48991512
Right, and that contradicts my argument because? Also it was Raft, not Rust, and Cover still delayed 2 of them to get 2 more instead of debuting the initial 6 and moving on to EN3.

>Still crying about no EN3

>>48991359
Yes reminding people that homo aren't still terminated is not promoting them at all. If you need a proof let me be simple with you. If shitting on them had ever helped they wouldn't have bleeded viewer at one of the fastest pace of the whole industry since they debuted, cause good i didn't spend a single day seeing people shitting on them, or myself shitting on them. I'll concede if you do something though. Say right here right now that they would be either 2 view or graduated now if we didn't shit on them. go ahed. do it. It will be your win.

>>48991607
If there was an EN3. There'd be a shill announcement on their Twitter and ID4 was the most recent so no EN3 this year

>>48991448
>>48991543
>No HoloEN will ever have a manager as on point and caring as gorimane-chan

>>48990537
>ITT: post your biggest cope of why homoen isn't a failure

>>48991557
>Retard.
Where's EN3? Besides T3MPUS that is.
>No they didn't.
What do you think they were trying to do when they did weekly collabs with every HoloEN girl who would give them the time of day? What do you think "feeling like a part of Hololive" was about?
>People wanting to talk about them did not kill anything.
People didn't want to talk about them. Cover made the Hololive subreddit into the Holopro subreddit despite having a dedicated Stars sub. Cover made the HoloEN twitter into the homoshilling account. There isn't anywhere to go if you don't want to talk about the Holostars, just as intended, and now no one wants to talk about Hololive.
>Splitfags and dramawhores only have themselves to blame.
The attempt to force stars on an audience that didn't want them killed the community.

>>48991690
If Cover doesn't debut an EN3 this year it only makes it more clear that they decided to ignore the branch in favor of Tempus.

>>48990858
When you see your enemy making a mistake, don't correct them

>>48990751
>>48990638
I'm very hapy we've come to the point you guys recognize tempus as an integral part of holopro so that you white knight them like this.

Now if you could juuuuust stop hating on women and male vtubers we could integrate you into society.

>>48991685
>>48991752
>enemy
sister, i want them to fall into irrelevancy.
But constantly reminding people that they exist is not going to fucking do that.
Anons /here/ shill them more than their fucking fans do and it's a fucking blessing that it's not working.

>>48991826
It's not a shill campaign. Anons are still in disbelief that Cover would debut two generations of Stars while letting EN rot for two years. These threads are pointing out that the decisions that have been made were unreasonable (and baiting the Tempus fans who claimed it was a good idea).

>>48991720
> weekly collabs with every HoloEN
They don't tho? The only group that does this is the group of salt players... And it still takes a long time to happen anon. You literally can go on any channel where a Live x Stars collab took place and see the time-lapse for yourself, you know? Oh wait, I forgot you don't watch streams

>they're part of the same branch and as such there is no issue with them collabing, cope and seethe incel!
>n-no of course they had nothing to do with the lack of EN3 and HoloEN reaching their lowest point ever after their debut
get fucked sisters

>only 1 thread seething about homos
there were 3 yesterday, cmon make more, 'shill' them more

>>48991897
expanding on this, >>48991907 is also part of the motivation. there has been a lot of bad faith argumentation on this board about the holostars and now that they're indisputably failing anons who held a grudge are getting their jabs in.

>>48991897
So am I the crazy one for not wanting to think about homos every waking moment as they continue to be brought up?
Again they'll literally fall into irrelevancy if no one talks about them because saviourfags won't know they exist.
But here we are where one of the biggest paypigs for Flayon is a saviourfag who saw his poor ass numbers.

>>48991730
It's clear regardless of that.
Myth: September
Council: August
Tempus: July
Watch EN3 debuting in June following 11 month pattern.

>males kill females because stealing debut slots
I don't understand the logic. ID2 inclined ID1 and ID3 inclined ID2 so we know this worked for them but Council didn't incline Myth. Tempus2 didn't incline Tempus1. Noctyx, Iluna, Xsoleil didn't incline Luxiem. Why do you think an EN3 will incline western vtubing? Western vtubing is dying irregardless of the success of these homos.

>>48991826
Mate they were already irrevelant months ago, depide being shitted on daily. Irrevelant isn't enought anymore, they need to be GONE.

>>48991907
kek, classic Tempisser's deflecting attempt.

It's always so interesting to see threads where people continually try to shit on Tempus as if they didn't have those same numbers after the end of the debut buff with only a few between 1.5k to 2k viewers

>>48992009
HoloEN is fucking DEAD. nothing is happening, there's no arc, no collabs to look forward to. The last year has been devoted to Holostars, over the objections of the fanbase, and their failure is absolutely the most interesting thing going on in HoloEN. I'd rather not think about them either, but this chapter of the manga is all about Tempus.

>>48991897
Maybe Gura shouldn't be so lazy and council too, if they want to do things they need money it's not hard to bait certain types of streams that bring in SC, not like that matters you're a damn liar anyway because they got that 3D live in July

>>48990537
Nijisanji wasn't the most successful western vtuber group

>>48991730
Well with ID4 coming out soon. Your claims are unfounded and it seems to me they prefer more committed streamers.

>>48992154
what are you even blabbering about retard

Time to lock the subreddit again when Tempoop 3 debuted in 3 months.

>>48992129
You, and I, and every other anon know deep down that bitching /here/ is never going to get them fired or graduated. So what's the next best thing? To not think of them. They do NOT exist. It's that simple.
But no, I have to be reminded every single day by anons that are not even their fans (supposedly) because that particular anon is "seething" (shilling) them.
Literally ignore every thread mentioning them. Every last one.
>why don't you start
Because I know that another anon will bite the shill bait so it's fucking pointless.
Every time some random anon yells popular demand, guess what the first thing that comes to mind in other anons heads entirely rent free?

>>48991991
>now that they're indisputably failing anons who held a grudge are getting their jabs in
absolutely, I remember how fucking obnoxious the sisters were during the collab month after the Tempiss debuts. Anyone who tried to voice their complaints, even if polite and well argumented, would get dogpiled and called a dangerous radical schizo incel. These retarded morons brought so much drama into HoloEN and now it turns out they were nothing but a loud minority.

>>48992129
and you think that would magically make EN3 exists and make whoever is currently in HoloEN also magically stream a lot more?

>>48992129
>They were already irrelevant months ago
THEN PRAY TELL ME WHY THEY HAVE REFERENCES IN THE LATEST FUCKING FANGAME
IN REDDIT
IN TWITTER
AND /HERE/ OF ALL THINGS. They're all shill/seethe threads and none of you won't shut up about them that you had to spam threads on the daily. It's bad enough there's /MANS/ and /CBDCT/.

>>48992191
Sorry I'm actually debuting alone because they didn't find other people and instead of being part of holopro I'm just part of Cover. Also EN3 in 3 months, while I'm debuting in October.

>>48992178
Unfortunately no amount of commitment will make people watch your "boys". Hope you don't mald too hard when Cover gives them the same merch treatment they're giving to the JP branch, beggar.

>>48991690
There is no EN3 this year for sure. Just look at recent indie graduations they are all going to smaller corpos.

>>48992375
Hey mane-san. You're the Shinove replacement right?

>>48992403
With the amount of gifted memberships they get? I wouldn't worry.

>>48992467
this is the final cope for starsbeggars

>>48992467
Good luck depending on a handful of whales and a bunch of tourists who won't ever buy merch.

>>48992066
Western vtubing is doing great people are just moving away from big corps to indies and smaller corpos that have way more freedom and more variety.

EN3 wouldn't save shit they would be doing the same boring safe content. Unless a miracle happened and they have second Gura or something.

>>48992503
>>48992532
>Cope
Well they're not begging people to buy their merch

>>48992424
I can't call myself that, the amount of work Shinove put into Stars is nothing short of incredible.

>>48990999
Tldr: the girls' mentally ill fans killed EN by throwing tantrums

>>48992595
Look... They are, but it's much more just Hakka himself

>>48991807

>>48992635
so true sister, if it hadn't been for those damn mentally ill hololive fans every uhhhh hololive... fan.... ? would have loved our heckin boyerinos

>>48992676
I didn't remember that dialogue from Agravain

>>48992595
Oh yeah, because the people who hate those dudes really give a fuck about what's happening with Kronii.

>>48992651
Yeah because he had a birthday two weeks ago and is reminding people that it's closing soon. You got anything else?

>>48992154
Gura became a brand she can live rest of her life on merchandise.

>>48992742
And what's going on with Kronii?And what's going on with Kronii?

>>48992694
Don't lump in with the normal fans you retarded nigger. A lot of people outside of /here/ don't share the same views.

>>48992747
Chill out, anon. I'm not shitting on him, I just stated a fact

>>48992742
Exactly why should they buy Kronii merch when Tempus merch is what they're after? Putting the blame on us for her bad merch sales just because your former oshi "betrayed" you is nothing short of irresponsibility. You have only yourselves to blame.

>>48992799
>A lot of people

>>48992871
Hundreds to thousands of people is still a lot of people anon. I didn't stutter, showing an outdated number chart isn't doing wonders for you.

>>48992595
>Well they're not begging people to buy their merch
kronii? the one who collabed with tempus the most? gee i wonder why shes begging people to buy her merch

>>48992797
Bad merch selling i guess? Idk & idc, I'm Just here to see chaos

>>48992958
Kronii isn't Tempus holobeggar.

>>48992797
Are you having a stroke?

>>48992855
The fuck are you talking about it? It was the beggar anon who brought up Kronii to say his "boys" are doing good compared to her, I just said no one who hates those homos give a fuck about Kronii.

>>48992909
>outdated
>last update was barely 2 days ago
I guarantee you that if it was 100% up to date that number wouldn't be much better.

>>48992909
>outdated
it's from two days ago. Tempus sets record lows every day because Hololive fans don't want to watch them and they didn't try to build their own fanbase.

>>48992958
Look, I could be wrong... But I think anon was talking about Homos begging to buy the merch and not Kronii

>Imagine killing the most successful western vtuber group for this
Least schizo /vt/ exaggeration

>>48990625
As an indie, not for a corpo who loses half their money to youtube, taxes and the company

How retards here managing to coexist shit like "holostars are not hololive let them rot in their own puddle" and "fucking faggots stole girls places"?

>>48993009
>It was the beggar anon who brought up Kronii
Holy blindchama
>>48992595 is a response to >>48992532 and >>48992503 who originally responded to >>48992467

>>48993150
Reminder that the Stars concert got mogged by the shitty HoloEN watchalong with no audio.

>>48993347
Ask sisters. >>48991907

>>48993425
Two different audiences but yeah. You're right. So why do you like lumping in the boys with the girls?

>>48993476
no one likes it, but management decided to take this direction and now we're stuck. as such you're going to see a lot of people pointing out that it was a bad choice.

>>48993425
On YouTube for sure, but does anyone have the in-person and SPWN numbers to see how they perform?

>>48993476
>So why do you like lumping in the boys with the girls?
Management did it first.

>>48993466
>Hololive PRODUCTIONS english
Seems fine to me. A-chan also shills Holostars when she has time so I don't see the problem here. What does a universal account have to do with CCV? Or merging audiences for that matter?

>>48993091
Wait, but aren't Numberfags consequently CCVfags?

>>48993514
>No one likes it
>Cover gave everybody two options
So choose the option with women and ignore the option with men. This isn't a big problem.

>>48993557
>What does [merging the social media accounts] have to do with[...]merging audiences

>>48993557
I've been thinking that too lol, the account's job is just to report events that are happening and other informations

>>48993556
If management did it first it would have been a single countdown live with a female and male chuuba on the same screen you buffoon.

>>48993649
Right, and now there's no account that reports events and other information about the girls without mixing in Tempus promotions. There is one specifically for Holostars, but nothing specifically for Hololive. We're expected to just grin and bear it because the males are unpopular.

>>48990537
(1) HoloEN had been dead long before Tempus

(2) Anyone who doesn't like male collabs, go away or at least stop talking. Your existence is a net loss for humanity. The least you can do is keep quiet about it.

>>48992013
Tempus 2 had their debut in January and the month before that Cover was already promoting the auditions for Tempus 3.

>>48993839
So much seethe but you faggots still can't stop the homos from bleeding viewers.

>>48993839
>(1) HoloEN had been dead long before Tempus
WRONG. HoloEN followed the JP curve before Tempus.
>(2)
Seethe

>>48990625
You serious? Millions of people are aware of their existence, 12 people are watching their streams. My irrelevant 2 view streamers get comparable or better views.

>>48990537
Excuse me sir, that was popular demand

>>48993945
>HoloEN followed the JP curve before Tempus.
naturally because Covid was around till 2021.

>>48990537
I'm going to be very honest here... Even without the homos, Hololive wouldn't continue to grow this much in the west. We're past the COVID period, which was where the apex of the vtuber age happened, now people have lives to take care of again. Hololive most likely already has all the unicorns and gachikoi that the west has to offer, so what would the EN3 bring again? Not a lot, maybe a few here and there, but overall? nothing really new just like the homos. Cover probably tried to catch the male vtubers fever that Luxiem brought, but forgot that they don't have access to the chinese audiences after the Taiwan incident

Unless Hololive got a Rin Penrose who found the formula to use Youtube shorts in her favor, you would only have more of the same

I used DeepL so sorry for any grammar mistakes

>>48994150
cope

>>48994043
guessing they're bots since I still never heard of them

>>48994182
fact, not cope

>>48994176
I respect you admitting to being ESL in this hellhole anon

>>48990537
Th-th-they'll be the Luxiem-killers guys!!! Any day now!! Luxiem is SO over

>>48993867
There's absolutely no way there wasn't some heavy rethinking about their strategy with EN, especially after the IPO. Outside of the clown Tempus 2 was a failure and the only metric they can brag is the absurd amount of gifted memberships which isn't reliable neither sustainable because the whales won't be able to keep dumping that amount of money forever. Debuting another StarsEN gen before anything else will potentially make some of them reach 2view territory.

>>48994176
Well maybe they should adapt like other content creators did?

>>48994298
nobody says that but you but they are better than Luxiem in views? Nah, in subs? No. In character, definitely.

>>48994321
Cover actually decided to try the Anycolor strategy to see what happens

>>48994360
>Well maybe they should adapt like other content creators did?
If it were that easy then they would have mogged even the most popular twitch streamers but nah, Cover and their rules restrict them and they'd need verification and papers signed before they could do anything.

>>48993867
I assume that the shit "They the same gen" that EN management tried to sell is true, so Tempus 2 didn't influence debut times. But they might be retarded enough to put another homo gen instead of EN3.

>>48994375
And it utterly failed. Continuing to do so won't bring them any success and I severely doubt they didn't change their strategy.

>>48994363
Character doesn't matter in this industry anon, get it. In entertainment industry, character is the last thing that will help you out

>>48994321
if it means anything, there won't be a Tempus 3. I'm not an insider, but considering that the lore guy is still at 98k subs. We won't see Tempus 3 until a full year has passed.

>>48992356
Sounds a mentall illness issue on your end buddy

>>48990537
Beggar = anti

>>48994404
Except JP does it just fine? While I know they have different permissions and stuff like that it just seems like they don't want to adapt.

>>48993150
All this shows is Cover gained an additional ~10,000 viewers for their event, assuming it's all unique views and not multi-stream drifting.
From a business standpoint, the Stars are low upkeep and anything they do pull in just adds to the total. It's why Cover let's streamers take breaks. Once the cost of the model is recouped, anything else is mostly profit so there's no pressure other than meeting the loose expectations.

>>48994176
You make a good point. Vtubing in the West was a fad that blew up because of the pandemic. Nobody is consistently getting (tens of) thousands of viewers like in 2020. HoloEN is still very successful, but it's not lack of viewers that has put a pause on any EN3. It's likely down to Cover not finding suitable talents for a new gen.

>>48994531
the clown is killing it, that's for sure
the boomer grandpa is a niche too
the dog is salvageable and enjoyable in any collab
and the faggot with the arms is creatively funny
everyone else would need to try harder

>>48994590
I'm talking about EN. JP has it okay because the japanese have literally nothing better to do.

>>48994557
His mistake was not abusing his voice and model for appealing content, just like scarle in the beginning

>>48994589
The funny part is, even Homo fans hate the Beggars lol. Nobody likes them, when they realize it... They will go anti against them too

>>48994176
Perhaps holoen's growth would have stagnated, but it has been evident for a long time that holoen has suffered from a lack of content output and since getting the current girls to stream more seems like something cover is not willing to do en3 is the obvious choice to revitalize holoen. If en3 was released in proper time there would have been at least a change to keep the fans they had

>>48994878
If I'm not mistaken, some are already. There's this Kobo schizo that is slowly becoming a blue homo anti

>>48994591
There is such a concept as opportunity cost. At least on the en side they seem incapable of managing tempus without it affecting the holo side as seen with the lack of en3

>>48994591
>Cover not finding suitable talents for a new gen.
Can we please stop with this stupid cope when there were multiple suitable girls that debuted under other agencies? Cover didn't pay attention to the forms sent to HoloEN in 2022 and it's absurdly obvious, otherwise they would've debut an EN3 after the first Tempus group.

>>48993945
>complains about HoloEN falling while HoloJP has that massive dip
I guess Tempus destroyed them too.

>>48995305
Look at the time of that dip and answer me what big event happened with HoloJP at the end of November/start of December of 2021. Come one anon, this is a very easy question.

How do you guys manage to do this every day? Even if you don't give a shit about the homofaggots I suspect most of you really don't and just use them to get (You)s, aren't you getting tired of using the same shit time and time and time again?

>>48994909
I could be wrong, but isn't the lack of content because they were preparing for Holofes? They needed to practice for the idol part of their contract, which inevitably leads to a decrease in content and streams, plus they had to travel to Japan as well. It's a bit difficult to put out content frequently at this pace. You can't forget the EN concert either, as it is likely that they practiced this in conjunction with the practice for Holofes, as we are getting close to the concert and the stream frequency is moderately good

>>48995703
Bold of you to assume that the Anons /here/ have better things to do with their lives

>>48995703
What else can they do when their oshi doesn't stream?

>>48990537
Can't wait until either a HomoJP anti or a HomoEN anti attempts a KyoAni against Cover offices, in Terraria
And then it hits the news
Wonder how people will react
>inb4 omg glowie glowie fed fed
Let me guess, you probably also called Ashlii Babbitt a glowie

>>48990537
Gotta support the cause.

>>48995832
I may be too innocent, but I doubt an Anti would be that stupid
This is literally giving the beggars reason

>>48995832
Unless it's a rejected applicant or unpaid artist I don't see it.

>>48996107
>a 1view mad they rejected his resume for tempus3
I can see it.

>>48990537
>Imagine killing
nobody did, now back to your cave, schizo

>>48995832
Oh, and one more thing
Hi Karin!
You, yes you reading that since it triggered your filters despite the misspelling, how's Operation Snow White Remake doing?

>>48996224
Wtf?

>>48995832
Of course you do sis, so your narrative about the evil incel unicorns threatening the girls to not collab with DA BOYS will finally come true lmao.
Turns out most dudes just don't want to watch your retarded faggots and instead of going on a schizo spree they'll just quietly leave and cause the entire branch to collapse.

>>48990537
with tears in his eyes OP starts up another thread
"HoloEN is dying" he writes for the third year running.

>>48996306
> Quietly
Holy cope anon

>>48994176
A Rin Penrose? Are you fucking kidding me? She is spouting basic vtuber knowledge condensed into an algorithm favored amount of time which is the same thing Pippa did months ago. She ran out of basic takes and knowledge to spout and that's why she stopped making shorts. You are probably the same type of person to thank Penumbral that Drama vtuber that you see all the time on twitter giving lukewarm takes is successful because of his shorts numbers. Rin Penrose barely even streams over an hour ever because of how short her ADHD fanbase starts to leave in droves. Rin Penrose will just run into the same problem Punkalopi did and fade into obscurity after the WOW FAST ADHD CUTE GIRL VTUBER SHORT INFO hype wears off and it already has.

>>48996666
Anon may have gone overboard there, but her shorts actually brought her some numbers. Unfortunately, she is unable to hold them

Also, Pippa being the original one is based af

>>48990625
For an indie yeah it’s great, by hololive standards it’s terrible, and tempus completely killed the hype for hololive english. A new female generation could have rejuvenated the community and brought people back to watch all of the girls again, then maybe hololive english wouldn’t be in such a massive rut

I still chuckle when thinking about how these are the fags Ame went all saviorfag and threw away her Goslings for

>>48997116
retard
or newfag

Oh, loop time. I'm going to set up a popcorn stand to sell wait a minute

>>48990537
>Ahh my cock.. I.. I.. need them to notice me! AHHHH FUCK THEM FUCK THEM I WANT THEM TO FUCK ME! I NEED TO WRITE A THREAD ABOUT THIS! YES! THAT'LL GET THEIR ATTENTION

Fucking Pippa is mogging the entire homobranch. These guys are one of the biggest failures in the history of Hololive.

>>48991072
nigga you keep exposing them out of their generals, if you wanna fuck them go nuts

>>48991826
>sister, i want them to fall into irrelevancy.
>this thread
you're not doing a very good job at it imo

>>48997279
Pippa, but the Phase-Connect is not doing so hot as a whole tho... I wonder why, like, fr. They are incredibly talented

>>48997279
> Forgot that Pippa watches the homos

>>48997279
They're continuing to fall to the point that you could make an argument that they'll be at StarsJP level by the end of the year, especially if more StarsJP finally understand that associating themselves with the Hololive brand in anyway cripples their growth potential.

Everyone already knows about the homos and threads being posted here doesn’t actually boost any meaningful awareness. The shilling narrative comes from salty faggot viewers who’ve found their best angle to stop people from shitposting about their homos. “I don’t REALLY care but you must care a lot and want them to get popular by posting them.” Nice cope fags. Why did you click on this thread again?

>>48997279
What do you mean by fucking Pippa, one of the most popular members of PhaseConnect?

>>48990537
the girls screwed themselves, no one told them to collab with the homos and no one told them to stop streaming consistently and coming up with new stuff.
Ame doesnt make any special streams and is a complete statue in terms of expression and charisma in her gaming streams she does once every 2 weeks
Gura doesnt stream
Kronii is just asking to be shat on
No one will ever watch Kiara's content because her personality and game choices are a filter
Calli has more or less the same issues as Kiara, just of a different brand
Bae started extremely rough but she seems to be doing just fine now
Mumei, IRyS and Fauna are the only ones who can pull decent numbers and only Fauna streams consistently and for more than 2 hours a day, there was a point a few months ago where there were like 4 streams to watch for the entirety of the month across all of the EN girls because Fauna took a break and Bae was busy traveling.
It also doesnt help that all the entirety of EN does is play the same 3 games everyone else is playing, super chat readings and nothing else.
Tempus isnt doing well numbers wise because almost every person that has a dick in this planet is not interested in watching a guy with a cartoon avatar play games, they'd rather watch some retard play FIFA or Fortnite on Twitch, note how the only 3 to pull in decent numbers either have female fans or pander to the "he's an autist like me" crowd

>>48997539
And she said that Cover should've debuted EN3 back when they announced Tempus 2.

>>48990999
>Tempus took the place of EN3, which would have revitalized the branch
The girls that were on decline that would still be on decline. Like who having 5 new girls would make Gura stream more?

>>48997187
Not a newfag, just cause some low tier holos in ID do worst then tempus doesn’t mean tempus is doing good, it means that those ID girls are doing fucking terribly. And if you’re referring to the fact that tempus does better then their holostars JP senpai, not only does my previous point apply here as well, but they are in a different market with different potential viewers, so comparing them doesn’t make much sense. it makes way more sense to compare them to other EN vtubers, like council that came before them, or luxium which is another wave of EN male vtubers, and in that regard tempus still does fucking terribly

If the contract forced Sana to stay everything would've been alright.

>>48997260
I'm back, get your popcorn here. Only 1$ dollar

>>48997989
I'll take two

>>48997989
Give me 5 and a beer

>>48997989
have caramel popcorn?

>>48990537
Yikes, it's like trannies in women sports but without winning even.

>>48997989
Do you have change for $100 dollars?

>>48991605
>>48991565
>>48991601
This means it's upper management that's retarded and leaving the girls out to hang

>>48997989
One please, without salt

>>48993347
>Management thinks Holostars deserves as much time and money as Hololive
>We don't
How hard is it?

>>48990537
Popular demand, baby

>>48990537
I stopped watching the EN girls because they were boring and unfunny. They had stagnated long before Tempus debuted.
Tempus 2 killed any interest in Holostars EN

>nearly about a year since their debut
>catalog still seething about them
They won

>>48999016
Tbh, there was a demand... But it's the type ofdemand that is only exists in words, when it actually happens, the demand disappears

Just like JPhomos, people talked about support and then when they got their first concert... Those same people disappeared

>>48999137
What's the conversion rate on seething?

>>48999166
You mean the first concert where all of their merch sold out?

>This thread again
I thought you'd stop after doxxing yourself
>>48948603
>>48949839

>>48999184
About .15 viewers per seethe, but the numbers are dropping as we speak…

I refuse to not believe that half of this thread has at least two or three people roleplaying as multiple people to give arguments for and against

>>48999223
And that sure convinced Cover to keep giving them custom merch for both anniversary and birthday, right?

>>48999378
I just like taking potshots at the homos and EN management.

>>48999378
Anon, did you start using /here/ yesterday? it is very likely that there must be a Schizos doing this to attract (you)s

>>48999378
Yes everyone on 4chan is me. Everyone including you. These are all just me talking to myself.

>>48990537
i'm proud the leeching worked, mori's homobegging fans went to tempiss
all part of the plan to bleed her to death

>>48991907
>> nothing to do with the lack of EN3
I guess it's their fault there's no new JP gen too? HoloX debuted a few months after Council after all.
>>HoloEN reaching their lowest point after their debut
And what's the excuse for when EN reached their previous lowest point BEFORE tempus?

>>48990537

HoloEN was murdered by laziness, boring safe content and lack of vision for the future.

>>48997779
I enjoy Kiara's streams when they're not JRPG part 10 of 30. I even got used to the voice and can actually enjoy her zatsudans.
Honestly, once you get over the filters, she's great. Unfortunately the filter will always be there unless she changes her game choice and panders more to the core EN audience, which probably will never happen.

>>49002983
Their previous low was during fucking CCVID and even then it's still higher than the post Tempiss lows.
Sure HoloEN had its own issues even without the homos, Tempiss was simply the final nail in the coffin. You can make a case that Tempiss didn't singlehandedly kill EN but it's undeniable that they weren't what the fans wanted. People asked for a stronger HoloEN not for a Nijification and 8 new faggots.

>>48990537
Tempus is the future of HoloEN, rent free and ratio

>>48990537
Good streams, so yeah seems worth it.

>>49004762
That's like watching a post apocalypse movie and saying that's the future of mankind. Unironically GRIM.

>>48993610
The problem is that you can't ignore it because they keep shoving it in your face.

Tempus was the biggest mistake Cover has ever done. The damage has been worse than nuking holoCN at this point.

>>49004762
The future of HoloEN are 3views who completely depend on baiting whales?

how are their numbers THIS bad? I can just turn on streaming with my playstation/xbox and talk on headset and get this many viewers

>>48991543
>God I really hope that's not true because IRyS has been shat on by management maybe the most out of anyone in EN.
Now you understand.

>>49004728
>>48992871
Anon, there's a graph in this very thread. They hit a low spike in May. Their overall trend has been in constant decline. The most that's happened post Tempus was EN's high spikes being kneecapped, which has more to do with the girls doing nothing of note, or in Gura and Ina's cases, nothing at all.

>>49008597
Prove it

Vtubers never really die since they were never really alive.

>>48990999
What else has the Tempus boogeyman done to destroy hololive?

>>49008597
The "popular demand" people only give a fuck if they're leeching for HoloEN and are deathly allergic to their solo streams.

>>48990709
>1-3k people in a single classroom
What's the point? Might as well take an online class at that point.

>>48990625
You retards always say the same fucking shit. I guess we can't expect critical thinking from fujos and homobeggars though. Pretty sure most of you are still in your teens.

>hololive becomes popular
>homo beggars show up
>they pack no real numbers and don't show up in support
>no real fucks given about the soul of the hobby or the medium, actively shit on it
>hates the original fans
>hates the girls that cater to the original fans
>always on the edge and hysterical
>uses retard language like i*cel unironically
>loved the omega gender neutral lore shit
>pronouns on twitter bios

hey look it's the same crowd that came knocking at the door of games, they're also going after anime, and previously took over comics
it's always the same fucking people, always the same fucking pattern
they don't want to have a niche of the hobby for themselves, they want to tear it apart because it's not about enjoying things, they want to stop others from enjoying them

>>49018682
You sound like an absolute caricrature of what leftoids like to make fun of. All you need to do is to blame everything on "woke politics" and "libtards"

>>49018828
You forgot your wojak meme to prove you are right and I am cringe.
Telling people to not notice pattern is a classic deflection by the way.
You sound like someone recoiling because he's been called out.

>>49018828
go back

>>48990537
They all stream regularly.

Is there a lazier branch in western vtubing than the holoEN girls?

>>49018682
The funniest part is how some of them are trying really hard to make "tranny" into the new "faggot" and using it against anyone who doesn't suck the dick of their "boys".

>>49019353
They stream regularly and are still bleeding viewers.

>>49020784
The free fall of StarsEN will never not be hilarious.

>>49020937
My favorite part was the death-knell that was StarsEN2. They pathetically push their shit through Hololive channels, because no one cares about their StarsEN specific social media and tons of people get excited for finally HoloEN3 after the begrudgingly accepted shitshow that was Tempiss and they get greeted with something that even let normalfags go "Wtf who asked for this?!"

>>49022239
The overall reception of Tempus 2 is what makes me hope that Cover went back to the drawing board before making any more retarded decisions. There's no way they looked at 3/4ths of the gen being complete shitters and think "maybe we should release another gen to round up the branch". They might've had some hope after Tempus 1 being somewhat of a success early on but even they are now bleeding viewers and struggling to maintain even half of what they had a few months ago, so I doubt they're still optimistic about the branch especially after Yagoo had to admit HoloPro's strength are female vtubers and that he didn't know how to make the male branch more popular.

>>49020784
>Tempus killed EN
>EN declining it's entire existence
So that was a lie

>>49024616
It's more like Tempus killed itself and their existence did fuck all for HoloEN, be it help or kill it. Just look at the pathetic "bump" they had when Tempus 2 debuted.

I don't care you don't wanna males vtuber , i don't care you hate males vtuber ,you can keep crying my company my rules
And i wanna male vtuber

yall nijiggers posting in a shill thread

>>48990701
Lol Tempus 3 already auditioned keep seething faggot

>>48992503
The one who coping here is you faggot ,get ready for Tempus 3 lmao

>>49007588
The problem is you are a faggot

>>49020937
>>49024317
>>49022239
Hey faggot i just wanna tell you Tempus 3 already auditioned,and yes they make money with superchat and memgift mogging id and en so keep seething and coping all you want

>>49020784
oh no unicornbros our narrative was disproven. on to the next tempus seethe thread!

>>49029628
>>49029812
>>49030206
That's not healthy, anon.

>>48990537
It's one of the most disgraceful acts of self-sabotage I've ever seen. They could've detonated a fucking bomb in the middle of HoloEN and done less damage. Bugmen and kneecapping their successful business ventures, name a more perfect pair.

>>49029168
Sure thing, boss man. But can you explain this?

>>48990999
How would you go about fixing it?

>>49040861
Nta but just debut EN3, make sure it doesn't take longer than a year for EN4 to debut and then they can slow down like they're doing now. I get that they pushed Tempus first because they were scared of Anycolor and wanted to try getting their own Luxiem, but doing it twice instead of just debuting the 6 faggots they had since the beginning was an awful decision and the only thing they got was a few whales and an audience that's losing interest stupidly fast. Yagoo said it here >>49037643, their strength are female vtubers so they should stop trying to make Holostars bigger than they are, or at least think in other strategies that don't involve putting what should be their focus in the backburner.

>>49032055
Narrative or not it doesn't change the free fall Tempus suffered.

>>49041315
nice

True

>>48990625
it is

cope and get ready for more holoen males

>>48990537
>EN has no other problems that might've led to their recline, no, sir.

>>49053369
Instead of addressing any of them, Management served up two generations of homos that no one wants to watch and then tried to force them on the audience

>>49054045
I now watch them more than i do Hololive.
so, due to your narrow minded game, your opinion is pretty much garbage.

>>49054176
>>48992871

>>49008883
Which is why they needed EN3 a year ago.
>tempus didn't prevent EN3
Then they should have released both alongside.

>>49054176
No one is watching them.

>>49053369
Tempus is the main problem that sent EN into this sharp downward spiral.

>>49054176
>so, due to your narrow minded game, your opinion is pretty much garbage.
That anon's opinion is 100% accurate and you're a gay little faggot.

This is why you don't let women run things.

>>48990999
Literally all of this is made up

>>49054376
>>49054444
>>49054506
ESL?

>>49054444
>>49054506
>>49054376
>no one is watching
>1064 avg

>>49054848
Paid viewers. Just like the superchatters are a money launder scheme.

>>49054707
Back then I was only shitposting that they were neglecting debuting EN3 to focus resources on tempus. Turns out that's exactly what they did, they used your merch and superchat money to debut 8 fags.

>>48992316
yes? en3 would want collabs to leech and the old girls would want new playmates
for example snot got gura to stream a bit more for a while

>>49054848
>each member of Tempus has horrible viewership but if you add up all their CCVs it equals 10k!
Kek. That's the funniest and saddest cope I've ever soon.

>>49054879
cope

>>49055033
I see you need to put words in my mouth to cope. Just use the English language proper, anon. It's really not hard.

>>49055076
Ask me how I know you're ESL.

>>49054879
You forgot your meds, faggot.