/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>48958877
Man, ame fell hard. Wtf happened?

NUMBER BOT THREAD

>>48958966
Nobody likes New Vegas.

LA based Mythic is set to dethrone Hololive. Americans have a bias against Japanese companies coming into their turf.

DEEZ NUTS happened
Sayu return stream deflection thread

>>48958877
>what stars collabing does to a mf

thoughts on kson meaty pussy?

Do we redeem before or after making a thread? I'm not certain on the rules

>>48959078
Fauna and Mumei are declining too.

>>48958966
I forgot what drama she even had.

>>48959055
Mythic is going to make their fleshies and vtubers do idol shit? Sounds pretty based.

All of EN vtubing has been in a slump. Honestly the EN branches fumbled hard. No Holo EN3, the Niji EN concert canceled, what is there to look forward to?

>>48958877
kek

>>48958966
with this moment

https://youtu.be/3eNbGVgSBiY?t=9

>>48959055
Hence why Xbox regularly beats the shit out of Playstation and Nintendo.

>>48959196
West hates idol too.

These are the ENs you keep wanting me to watch? No thanks, I think I’ll watch Pekora or Miko instead, someone with big fat juicy numbers to their name.

>>48959030
i like new vagas faggot

>>48959229
Second Covid Wave.

>>48958877
>Mumei 3k while Fauna has double despite she massively cucked her fans two days ago
Saplings are cucks

>>48958966
teamates improved themselves

>Fauna ended up being the most powerful EN
I wouldn't have believed that if you told me this would happen after the council debuts
But I'm happy for her she works hard and avoids the homos. She deserves the success

>>48959279
Then watch Ame.

>>48959078
Gura you shouldn’t be laughing…

>>48959278
LOL comparing the most talented JP ever to EN.

>>48958877
They got cocky and thought unlimited breaks last year wouldn’t affect their numbers. Hope they lose their houses

>Fauna doing fine
>Homo collabing whores in the gutter
EN is more than okay, they are great.

>>48959296
What did fauna do?

>>48959332
its gura>ina>fauna/kronii

>>48959296
what happened to the poor saps

>>48959374
I didn’t compare anyone. I just want to watch someone worth watching, and that so happens to be JPs with big numbers.

>>48958877
they can only ride on JP's coattails for so long

>>48959243
D-Doppio?

>>48959402
I heard she gushed over some male content creator on stream.

>>48959055
ah yes because when Japanese Nintendo tried to enter the American games market everyone stuck with the American Atari

>>48958877
HoloEN is declining because most people got tired of their shit and jumped ship to other EN groups.

>>48959415
>gura>ina
higher numbers but they only stream once a month
Fauna pulls her 6k+ 5 times a week

>>48959269
In what world?

>>48959449
Thought you were saying numbers was all Miko had going for her

>>48959402
BubberBoss

>>48959494
Wh-wh-what the heck's a doppio?!

>>48959573
NTA but I think he was being sarcastic

>>48958877
>Is EN okay?
No. Tempus crippled the whole branch and it's been a slow downward spiral from there.

>>48959582
Hell no nigga

>>48958877
i hate fauna overlaps with mumei a little bit

>>48959515
Mythic has big Jew media money IN ADDITION LA to Twitch clique behind them. I'll be surprised if holoEN lasts another year.

>>48959250
This shrew doesn't belong to Hololive.

>>48959521
Which?

>>48959555
>6k
and this is a good thing?

>>48959675
>Tempus crippled the whole branch
Serious copium detected. Tempus could have never debuted and EN would still be the same.

>>48959250
I don't get it.

>>48959808
Yeah, I agree. But them debuting vanguard six months after the first group instead of EN3 definitely disappointed a lot of people.

>>48958877
Congrats, you caught Fauna as she was finishing up and starting super chats (we all know those never bring high numbers). As for Mumei and Bae, they'd JUST started their streams.

Mumei is playing a debuff game, Bae is on Part #15 of a game, and series never maintain a strong following throughout the entire thing so another major debuff.

Ame has just fallen off a cliff. No one watches her anymore.

>>48959243
>Pomu building shit in Minecraft only for her personal cum dispenser to destroy because no one cares
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q35PgSXhKg

>>48958877
Whatever nijikek

>>48959243
AIEEE SIR PLEASE DONT POST OUR NUMBERS DELETE DELETE

>>48959521
They didn't jump to other EN groups. They got tired of vtubers all together.
>inb4 I used to like HoloEN until I moved to ___
That's a survival bias. Of course /vt/ would say they changed groups/oshis because they're still watching vtubers. The majority who moved on wouldn't be browsing /vt/ anymore.

>>48958877
Yeah all of those games are dogshit to watch
Double so if its a woman playing

>>48958877
You dont watch vtubers faggot you only watch numbers

>>48959521
what? like who, the other corpos who fail to break 2k on a good day?
no, most people have stopped watching corporate vtubers entirely. it was always a fad, and the fad has been dead for years. nobody is going anywhere except down.

>>48959055
It's not even funny to pretend to support Mythic. Everything about Western entertainment that's cancerous is embodied by the Hollywood types that manage that shit in the background. Stop being cringe.

>>48960042
>Ame has just fallen off a cliff. No one watches her anymore.


This pleases me but why? I don’t believe it was because of the colllab comment because Kronii did the same thing

>>48958877
niji/eien deflection thread

>>48959808
>Tempus could have never debuted and EN would still be the same.
Complete nonsense. Holo EN had a sudden decline that perfectly coincided with Tempus debuting. People liked that Holo EN was about cute girls doing cute things and there was absolutely no demand for it to become Niji EN. Adding men to the mix soured a lot of people on it and then constant breaks and laziness compounded it.

>>48958966
Ame has been very inconsistent and low energy for at least a year now. The gremlin behavior is gone and it's just monotone "Okay, I'm playing a game now." feeling to her. Likewise, she's dropped down to streaming essentially 2-4 streams a week tops.

Essentially, she's a soulless shell of what she used to be as a streamer and it shows.

Ame aside, no EN is not okay. Realistically, the only actual streamers that have anymore is Fauna and Kiara. Kiara is just horrible though, so that leaves Fauna basically to carry the entire branch.

- Gura streams once or twice then takes 2 weeks off. That's been her "new normal" for a year at this point. She barely managed 11k the other day, which is absolutely horrible for her as she used to consistently bring in 20k - 24k easily.
- Kronii has essentially gone missing or just turned into a collab gamer. Of the 11 streams she did in the last month, 4 of them were collabs.
- Ame, Mumei, & Irys are essentially just toiling in the mid, doing nothing of substance and just streaming occasionally.
- Bae and Kiara continue to stream a lot but they're just not able to grab crowds because they're not that good as streamers.
- Ina is pulling in the 2nd best numbers in EN and that's close to 10k per stream, but she also doesn't stream that often. 3 relatively short streams a week if that.
- Mori is trying to be a better streamer, but she likewise struggles to grab an audience because she's made a lot of people angry and her games of choice are mediocre at best.
- That essentially leaves Fauna to carry the entire EN branch as one of the most CCVed of the branch who also streams the most.


All that aside, the Stars are having an even worse time of it.
- Flayon and Shinri struggle to pull in even 500 views.
- The only Stars that consistently break the 1k mark are Bettel, Magni, and Vesper with Vesper being the only one that usually is close to or higher than 2k views.

EN as a whole I think is not something that Cover should keep working with unless they really, really make their contracts more robust. An absolute minimum requirement of streaming days / hours a week should be in place. 4 streams a week with a minimum of 15 hours a week streaming should be the absolute minimum. Anyone who can't do that much deserves to be fired. Cover, as THE biggest name in the industry, should be one we know we can turn to to expect quality and consistency.

>>48959277
Make it happen. There's still a possibility to keep the ship afloat 1-2 years.

>>48960250
maybe stop being unamerican before your country gets nuked? Just a thought

>>48959402
Interacted all stream with some e-celeb in her chat. Pic related.

>>48960457
Because you're a retard, like that anon is also a retard. You can't take single snapshots of numbers and then derive entire narratives from it.

>>48960577
/#/ is mental illness

>>48960250
Exactly, there's no way they're not inclining.

>>48960577
>Anyone who can't do that much deserves to be fired. Cover, as THE biggest name in the industry, should be one we know we can turn to to expect quality and consistency.
Negro, how many JPs are actually active? Rather, go count how many are inactive using Ame as a threshold.

>>48960250
>le conspiracy
They are inviting popular people into their agency and then get contracts and financing with big companies due to their influence and expertise
There is nothing special about this

>>48960577
kys

>>48960853
Where the fuck did the money come from? I beg you fuckers to stop being so blindingly stupid for one second. Please.

What killed holoEN was Cover trying to make them into idols when most people only cared about their streams.

>>48959555
While I agree that it isn't nearly as regular, long, or consistent as she used to, Ina still streams 3 times a week.

Gura on the other hand, I agree with completely. How anyone can support a leech that streams once or twice then takes 2 weeks off before coming back and doing one or two more stream then repeats this is beyond me. People really have no sense when they're being taken advantage of and it shows.

>>48959782

Very much so; that many CCV is absolutely near the top 1-5% for EN streamers let alone Vtubers.

>>48960577
Based Bae and Kiara.

>>48960701
She will never have sex with you

>>48960577
>The gremlin behavior is gone and it's just monotone "Okay, I'm playing a game now." feeling to her.
She literally screamed so loud in her stream today she hurt my goddamm ears. Why do you spend so much time talking about things that you clearly don't know about? You typed out so much, for what? What is wrong with you people? Will you ever stop with this shit?

>>48959889
Basically ame telling unicorns that she can collab with whoever she wants and instead of complaining they should use that energy to better temselves.

>>48960956
This has less to do about her than I hate you number monkeys like this fuckstick >>48960577 that thinks their opinion has any value when they're blatantly wrong.

>>48961069
I didn't hear that at all.

I wish EN had a DIAMOND like Korone. She has never had a bad stream. Not one. I will hold out hope

>>48961069
based

>>48961019
Must be nice that one time of a mob sneaking up on her in Fallout and her screaming in the almost 3 hours she's been streaming makes you think her old gremlin ways still exist.

>>48961093

"Blatantly wrong" and yet you have absolutely nothing to counter it except "No it's not like that at all." Anything with numbers can be backed up with literal factual things that we can look at and see the trends.

Better yourself sister.

>>48961115
Then you’re either deaf or esl

What's the problem? They seems to have better numbers than most NijiEN, retard

>>48959250
>Ame had 6k people watching her just chat
>Now she can barely get 3k with gaming
Why are Teammates so spiteful?

The fact that they hired Fauna and Mumei kinda made me lost interest in EN as a whole. nothing to do with tempiss shit

>>48961093
you only hate number monkeys because their shitting on holo EN

right after fauna's done,
all the CGDCT fans moved to mumei
and not to bae or others.
interesting ain't it

>>48960895
>Where the fuck did the money come from?
Investment? It literally says so in the screenshot retard?
All the news and media you see is biased but oh nyo rich people coalescing to help each other become even more rich is somehow new and scary now
Why the fuck wouldnt they all join the big well paying agency where all their friends are?
You spastics life in some spy fantasy alternate world where a tech company receiving money from big investors means its fucking e-satan as is if that isnt the most mundane fucking thing that happens every day cause thats literally how they make their money

>>48961522
In reference to streaming activity:
>Anyone who can't do that much deserves to be fired. Cover, as THE biggest name in the industry, should be one we know we can turn to to expect quality and consistency.
Again, look up the JP roster.
In reference to Gura's numbers, see picrel. This is before even the first year anniversary. Almost like game choice matters.
I'm not going to bother with anything else because that dumb faggot retard is wrong from top to bottom.

>>48961115
Check your ears anon.

>>48960653
>All stream
haha get it, it's funny because rubber ross, and rubber stretches, just like the truth you're stretching right now.

>>48962057
People kept asking her, from what I see, and all she said is "maybe, I don't know, I barely collab with my Hololive sisters, I prefer solo streams"

>>48961069
yep kinda based, unicucks keep losing

>>48960557
Holo EN had a decline that perfectly coincides with Sana graduating. You people blame tempus because you *want* it to be their fault.

>RPG, Nintendoand strategy game.
???
Those have been known to do bad on EN side. You guys dumb or what? When they start to do those numbers hype, new releases that doesn't have heavy restrictions then I would be worried.

>>48960577
you think you're so smart by writing so much

>>48960233
>>48960169
>>48959767
Nta but have you actually checked recent debuts? Starting with whenever the fuck the English jews debuted every new corpo debut has been keeping a stable 3 view ccv. Pippa and tenma are now 4 views and certain vods are doing better overall for even the barely 3 view members of phase and kawaii as well. Let’s lowball and say holoen lost a combined ccv of 10k and 100k+ vod watchers it would still be less than the amount the others have grown. As far as anecdotal goes Lua from kawaii says she gets a consistent overlap with Ina and Fauna for her asmr viewers and gura as well for the most recent one. Despite my comparison of holoens loss to the small corpos growth it seems closer there being a lot less overlap between viewers in en. Gura’s recent karaokes were more likely to funnel to selen than certain en girls. Saplings and irystocrats seen the same as well.

>>48958877
looks like kino to me

>>48958966
Always nice to see ol faithful being posted.

>>48959250
>"oh my god what's gonna happen?"
>"oh nooooooooo"
>"oh relax, everything will be fine"
>collabs with males
>trashtalks her own audience
>loses half her viewerbase
>kills her channel growth
Yeah that's what's gonna happen bitch

>>48962019
So what are you even disagreeing with me on? I'm not suggesting a conspiracy, whatever the fuck you think that implies.
You are agreeing with me really big people from Hollywood are managing shit like Mythic, right?

>>48959055
>dethrone
>only on Twitch
kek

>>48960577
they'r in japan, give them a break

>>48959145
big fan

>>48962197
Whose numbers declined? State 3 names and let's check back in the archives.

>>48959250
>will you collab with Tempiss in the future?
>from a business standpoint it probably makes sense
roru
rumao

>>48960577
>shitting on Kiara in 2023
She's been exactly what you apes have been asking for the entire time. A hard working girl who avoids males like the plague. She's been putting the most work in out of Myth and maybe out of all of EN for months; and you monkeys still don't appreciate shit.

>>48962555
>avoids males like the plague
Bruh.

>>48962197
it is tempus's fault, EN were still doing well until tempus brought all the dramas, people want fun, not drama shits. YOU don't want to blame tempus because you "want" it to NOT be their fault.

>>48962555
but she's boring

>>48958877
Popular demand, just like the low CCV shart cock they rid.

>>48962555
>annoying voice
>shit personality
>a cancer to every collab
>implying avoids males
I appreciate the hard work she puts in but she's far from everything I asked for

>>48962273
What the fuck are you actually rambling about? Go back to /#/.

>>48962555
it is her dedicated schizo anti, he always shit on her with no reason other than "i don't like her".

>>48961522
Let's look at the Numbers thread!

*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY*

>5/7 DAILY TALLY
8,418: Amelia (Hololive)
7,946: IRyS (Hololive)
7,731: Baelz (Hololive)
7,092: Amelia (Hololive)
6,269: Vox (Nijisanji)
6,225: Luca (Nijisanji)
5,242: Millie (Nijisanji)
5,071: Petra (Nijisanji)

Feel free to cope more sis

>>48962751
>the careers of several 5view girls were ruined to gain those males
I hope it was worth it

>>48962555
Her model sucks so much I hate it

>>48962649
What drama? You guys keep mentioning drama but have nothing beyond Vesper’s suspension and mental health crisis. What drama have they caused that could derail an entire western branch?

>>48962555
>shitting on Kiara

He only stated that Kiara streams frequently but that doesn't bring her numbers because she's not good enough. Nothing else.

>>48962773
>>annoying voice
fair
>>shit personality
rude
>>a cancer to every collab
as upposed to
drywall ina
yeehaw cowboy autism mori
yeehaw cowboy autism gura
basic egirl ame that has nothing of value to say, ever

>>48962870
>several 5view girls
>narrative spinning so hard that he starts saying blatantly false things that can easily be fact checked
Nobody there was a consistent 5view post-debut buff.

HoloEN is still the highest performing EN vtubing branch on earth, I don't get these threads

Yes they get mogged by JP, but why are people trying to relate shit to holostars? All EN girls viewership went down, even Gura (and they absolutely crush niji or phase or whatever other EN org)

>>48962751
b-b-b-bbut you don't understand those males get a lot of gift subs! That's worth more than a few thousand CCVs!!!
Tempus are the biggest money earners in HoloproEN! Management loves them Tempus 3 soon!

>>48962690
>>48962773
>>48962886
>ask for cute girl doing cute things that streams regularly
>get it
>still mad and don't support her

This is why no one takes you seriously

>>48962984
>as upposed to
Mori is the only one that's worse, she's a cancer to all of EN not just collabs.
Ina is quiet but she always vibes well with the other girls
Gura is always fun to have around
All of councilRyS are great collab partners
So yes Kiara is a bad collab partner compared to the rest of EN (except Mori)

>>48963046
>All EN girls viewership went down, even Gura
No, they did not. This is truly one of the greatest boardwide psyop. Literally implanting a false memory into anons. Except for Mori and Kiara, everyone is maintaining where they've always been sans debut buff.

>>48963111
But I watch and support Fauna?

Enjoy paying for their condoms.

>>48962923
>pretend the forceful integration of male-female collabs didn't caused dramas and failed miserably
so you are a nijifag sis huh.

>>48963111
calm down asuka

>>48963314
Why, because you said so? You sure beat the psyop bro

>>48963396
Throw out a HoloEN name that isn't Mori or Kiara and let's check.

>>48963314
Lol go ask numbers cause your wrong and they’ve already discussed this. Only Fauna has inclined. Kiara is actually one of the least to recline.

>>48963322
abayo

>>48960577
>An absolute minimum requirement of streaming days / hours a week should be in place. 4 streams a week with a minimum of 15 hours a week streaming should be the absolute minimum.
Cover doesn't care about streams since their vtubers are considered idols/entertainers and have other avenues of revenue such as merch, music, and live events. Plus they aren't against their members doing regular YouTube essay videos or let's plays, it's just that most don't because editing is hard. On their audition page, it says they are looking for "content creators" which could be anyone that does anything on the internet, not just streamers. EN members all say they are working on other stuff when they aren't streaming, so streaming isn't really their main focus. If you want streamers, stick to Nijisanji or Twitch. Cover is not your friend in that regard.

>>48963444
Ame
Gura
Kronii

>>48963322
enjoy your vacation

>>48963448
lol kill yourself.

>>48963322
Yes vtubers are real women offstream
Good job figuring that out retard
They all have sex offstream, most of them have long-term bfs, some are married
It's only a problem if those irl relationships spill into their vtuber persona

>>48960906
>He thinks 6k is good
hololives average ccv is around 10k, this bitch is literally dragging hololive down

>>48963518
>Says this
>Laplus plays with males offstream (prior to rust arc)
>Gets shit for it

>>48963322
wow they are humans! gratz, enjoy your ban.

>>48963322
Don't care I'm a cuck

>>48961731
And this is why they are declining, instead of trying to solve the problem of why they have bad numbers you deflect to Niji as if that's going to change anything

>>48958877
Who?

>>48963603
Did it spill into her vtuber persona?

>>48958877
>>48959243
damn this is grim

>>48958966
Karaoke collab with Altare singing romantic songs

>>48959078
Gura fell off too.

>>48963322
>posting this with Sana
Putting in less effort than Gura right now

>>48962555
She's not very witty and can't read the room which makes me cringe whenever she's in a collab.

>>48963518
Sounds like cope.

>>48963518
the weird mental gymnastics you people do to justify yourselves

Faun has a good enough personality and consistency to get high numbers. Bae is getting lower numbers due to playing a fucking 1000 hour-long jrpg that has been out for like 50 years now. Mumei is inconsistent, Ame is inconsistent. Consistency and a good entertaining personality is needed, the Hololive brand alone will only carry you for so long. None of them are gonna go broke, mind you, but you will absolutely see the low points. The brand power is too much for any of them to actually get legit worried about their income.

>>48963472
this is such a fucking dumbshit argument to make because the fame and attachment people get to the vtubers -comes from their stream content-.

people are not remotely as likely to buy merch of just a good design alone. the merch in essence symbolizes the good times you've had watching that chuuba, they are not gonna make as much based on just the idea of a chuuba. they can still make plenty milking fans for years after a chuuba has done jackshit (aqua) but that's not the ideal scenario and not going to be a sustained growing audience.

it's like going "sure that glacier over there is permanently melting, and the mountain streams it makes that support an entire ecosystem will go away too when it's gone.. but it's not melted yet, we're fiiine"

>>48963322
Based reminder Anon.

>>48963322
>This is better than collabing with males in redditors' mind

>>48962649
>it is tempus's fault
Ok now wipe the rage tears from your eyes, you're going to be a big boy today.

Sana graduating took what little wind council had out of their sails. Council were supposed to carry as myth were getting burned out. Gen unity is critical for the ENs because of the way they are themed (see also the decline tempus had when Vesper had his no-meds arc and stopped collabing with his genmates for 2 months). With Sana fucking off, suddenly fans' dreams of council having events together went poof. They weren't all gonna do collabs in VR, they weren't all gonna debut in 3D together, they weren't all gonna appear on stage in concert together. Big events are the pay-off, they're the long term goal you look towards while supporting them in the now. Sana essentially took that away. Without something to look forward to viewers started to leave, some to tempus to 'watch a new show' from the start, but most left for elsewhere entirely. Blaming tempus is a lazy cope that retards latch into so they don't have to face the truth, that EN's declining viewership is largely their own fault (and Sana's).

NIJISHITTER AND EIEN DEFLECTION THREAD
NIJISHITTER AND EIEN DEFLECTION THREAD
NIJISHITTER AND EIEN DEFLECTION THREAD

>>48963518
Then the boyfriend can support them financially, simple as.

>>48963766
>>48963806
I'm willing to separate the vtuber persona from the roommate as long as the vtuber puts effort into doing the same
What's so weird about that? Do you only watch fleshtubers?

>>48963518
>/vt/ shits on Kronii or Ame or whoever else when in reality they barely ever talk to males and are basically femcels
>their fans get labeled as cucks

>meanwhile the girls who ACTUALLY GENUINELY TAKE DICK somehow get championed as avatars of purity and their fans are somehow not cucks (?)

This hobby is a clown world

>>48960250
>(((Duchscher)))
>(((Cooperstein)))
I'm so weary of this shit

>>48962555
She literaly collab with Vshojo whores and with males on Dokomi

>>48964006
A carousel of self-delusion.

>>48962555
Those things don't matter if you suck as an entertainer

>>48964006
yea it's fucking funny how the ones championed as cgdct queens are the ones hiding shit in the background, maybe they aren't allowed to collab with their coworkers out of jealousy

>>48963873
Literally nobody gave a fuck about Sana
Her graduation had no impact
The decline of EN lines up perfectly with Tempus and Tempus collabs are a far better reason for the decline of the girls than a genmate graduating
Cope harder homobeggar

>>48964006
The way you act on stage matters. Kronii and Ame displayed disregard and condescension if not contempt for their audiences, Fauna and Moomers do not. Just that fucking simple. Bae is kind of mixed-messages but that hasn't really worked out great either despite her otherwise putting a lot of effort in.

>>48963322
>hetero sex is le bad

>>48963873
that's a whole lot of words you wrote there backed up by absolutely nothing

>>48964134
sounds like a bunch of cope, hoocuck

Numbers don't matter so long as they keep their dedicated fans that buy merch.
That's why Gura is completely fine since she doesn't offend her hardcore fans, even if she loses casual viewers.

>>48963518
I wouldn't care if they were just vtubers but they also advertise themselves as Idols

>>48964006
anon Kronii is social and Ame walk with males...

>>48963711
standard numbees for niji

>>48964134
>shititing on a dramfag once in 2022 is somehow worse than having actual real life sex nightly for the past two years in hololive
Like, read your post, holy fuck dude

>>48963352
In other words, you have no examples and seethe because men exist. Gotcha.

>>48964006
If you really think Kronii and Ame don't take dick irl you're fucking retarded
The only possibility for that being true is if the Kronii=lesbian rrats turn out to be real
All women take dick on the side, but I care about Kronii the vtuber not Tae the korean VA wannabe. That's why it bothers me when Kronii collabs with males but it doesn't bother me when Fauna fucks Eddy because that has no impact on her vtubing channel

>>48962197
>Holo EN had a decline that perfectly coincides with Sana graduating. You people blame tempus because you *want* it to be their fault.
Sana's graduation demoralized holoEN but the numbers have been slowly going down since 2021. Their peak numbers were in the first several months when Gura could get 50k CCV in game streams. The people that say the end of the lockdowns didn't change anything are in denial at the current state of the EN vtuber market.

>>48964134
>single women are neurotic
Who could have seen that coming

>>48961019
>She literally screamed so loud in her stream today she hurt my goddamm ears
he would have to watch stream to know that tho

>>48964333
Well, I guess if we've reached the point where everyone's just openly admitting to being a cuck... not sure who wins this argument anymore

>>48960577
What Gura needs now isn't ztream but song releases

>>48964123
>>48964134
These two things coincided, Tempus DID contribute to the downfall but more by showing the audience that a lot of the EN girls do not respect the general core Holo principle (cute girl's content above all) and also were bitchy to their audience about it to boot.

If the males had been completely scorched-earth removed from all interaction with the girls and vice versa, maybe this wouldn't have happened like it did, however EN had been on a decline anyway because tons of competition has sprouted up, Myth naturally tired out and Council started off at like half-energy to begin with. However the spikes of tempus shit getting pushed in didn't help anything really. Not to mention, faith was lost in management itself, its vision and its priorities by also appearing to itself be condescending to the fans. "Haha, EN3? What is this, ee ennn thu-ree you speak of? Don't bring that up again btw :) Now here's more males."

>>48958877
>People stopped watching because they got bored
>People stopped watching because Covid ended and they had to go back to work
>People moved onto indies or other corpos
>YT continues to cut numbers for whatever reason
>Tempus grabbed some of the female audience
>Very small % stopped watching anyone that collabed with Tempus
It's really just a lot of shit.

>>48958877
Thanks for reminding me of Mumei bro, I took a nap and didn't notice her.

Why does this always inevitably end up true?

>>48963836
>people are not remotely as likely to buy merch of just a good design alone.
lol you don't know merch buyers

> the fame and attachment people get to the vtubers -comes from their stream content-.
Whether that's true or not, it's painfully obvious that Cover has priorities set on concerts, songs, and that Genshin clone they've been working on. Streaming is just a way to freely advertise their other stuff. Imagine Cover is a video-game developer, and streaming is like an anime adaptation of their game. It doesn't matter how well streaming does, it's just free advertisement for their concerts and songs.

>>48964471
upvoted

>>48963873
>it isn't tempus fault
okay calm your seethe sister, your homos isn't going to get more viewers, wipe away your period blood.
Just imagine tempus was EN3, or after EN3, imagine the collabs isn't forceful and mandated by tranny omega, imagine EN's own Roberu and Astel, imagine Tempus 2 getting to collab with the girls because Tempus 1 didn't have dramas, imagine Tempus 1 still have fans' goodwills and be tolerated.
You can't because you are too busy sucking tempus cocks and blame it all on Sana, who isn't popular to begin with.

>>48964471
Gee it's almost like they're a bunch of bad faith actors and random normalfags who literally don't watch streams butting in thinking they can tell the fans what they want and what to do because "lol your opinions don't matter because you're weebs" and Cover management proved to be true morons by taking the bait.

I genuinely don't get how bicorns can obsessively doxpost like it's nothing to "own the chudcels" but think they're the mentally sane ones.

Uhhh numbers now?

>>48963322

>>48964284
chumbuds are extremely gullible and retarded. You think she's alone and single when she fucks off 90% of the time?

>she is le entertainer
>you are le unicorn

Drink bleach.

>>48964286
why write more when that little got you seething? it done the job.

>>48964591
lucky bastard

I just want to relate and get attached to a fellow autistic virgin neet, I don't want to get e-cucked

>>48964574
and then the girls fell for the same bait AFTER their own audience told them they don't want tempiss collabs
it's retarded all the way down

>>48964811
Most of the girls didn't.

>>48964859
it's about half and half isn't it?

Its more like ive just gotten more and more attached to my spicific oshi that I just kinda wanna watch her at all times.

>>48962155
her numberinos say otherwise

>>48964574
Or maybe, just maybe, you unicorns a fading minority who can’t stand that the rest of the vtubing community view you as whiny shits who stir up absolutely useless drama. You think you should tell rest of us what we should enjoy? Please, vtubing is a dying trend. Stop bitching and enjoy your oshi.

How do all of you people talk like this tempus shit just happened

That stupid Ame Q&A stream was in mid-2022, look at a goddamn calendar - is half of this board ex-teamates with a massive grudge or some shit?

>>48964566
kek I see I touched a nerve. Anyway I saw that you blame "omega" so now I'm certain you're a retard and I'm going to disregard the other nonsense you decided to vomit into the reply field. Good on you for writing all that out though!

>>48964981
I, for one, reckon that Ina cutting her hair short is what lead to EN downfall.

>>48964921
Nope, 3/10

>number of colabs my oshi had with the opposite sex
>0
heh sucks to be you losers

>>48959243
>Pomu and Elira mogging Bae
Can we agree Bae was a mistake and horrendous cast choice?
Imagine being a girl, in Hololive and underperforming this bad... In top of Bae being the initially intended gen lead of council

>>48964999
lol run away faggot, can't reply anymore i see. nothing you got to refute the facts. kek

>>48965051
Didn't he collab with his wife multiple times before she divorced him for being a genetic dead end?

at least they're streaming, Gura spent her whole weekend on complete radio silence.

>>48965051
I want to punch that guy

>>48964981
Has she done anything that shows that she changed her mind? If no then it might as well have happened yesterday

>>48964968
Do you not see the OP of this thread? Have you lost the plot? If what you said was true Ame and Bae would be like 10k each because their fans are present and loyal and excited about their content still. They're not.

>>48965032
Nonsense! Short hair Ina is love!

>>48965051
based DSP will outlive the vtuber craze

>>48964041
>on Dokomi
Or like the pizza stream where she mentioned multiple times a male was sitting quietly in her room watching her

>>48960557
fucking this. When Tempus debuted it turned out that a huge part of the appeal of Hololive was the slice-of-life larp. Take away that and they just naturally became less interesting. As Gura is mostly MIA and Kiara can't carry it alone I have just drifted to other vtubers who are more inherently entertaining. Ironically most of them do collab with guys at least sometimes, but they don't need the Idol crutch to be worth watching.

Remember when this board wasn't infested by redditniggers?

>>48965141
Man, the brain rot with you unicorns. Get a life, touch grass. You’re the problem.

>>48965141
>it might as well have happened yesterday
What??? How does that make sense? So you just sit here refeshing /vt/ waiting for any chance to seethe about her for over 365 days and that feels perfectly normal to you?

>>48965099
le toxic edgy lolkek suffix anon

>>48965268
no, I don't. been here from the start btw

>>48965268
Define a redditnigger.

Alright so before you all derail the thread with the stupid samefagged Kiara loop, can one of the bicorns in this thread please address this? >>48964576

>>48958877
>number nigger thread turns into a doxx thread
like clockwork

>>48965281
>>48965277
What exactly do you think was the problem in the first place? This isnt her accidentally saying a slur its her showing that she doesnt give a shit views her fans as the problem
As a dumb but easy example you wouldnt just forgive somebody for being racist just because it happened 4 months ago
Its the opinion she displayed thats the issue not what she said

>>48960653
Ross from Game Grumps? What the fuck this is the most random shit I've seen all week long.

>>48964437
This. I used to bounce around 5 at a time back in 2021. Now I only watch 1 JP. The novelty's worn off.

>>48965063
Check the numbers again, retard. And this is Bae at her absolute worst because of Persona.

>>48965521
You... didn't even respond to a single thing in my post, so I guess you DO feel that's perfectly normal

>>48965145
Again, vtubing is a dying trend. You think you assholes can shift the wind at will? Casuals are losing interest, that’s why the numbers dropped. Stop peddling your culture wars and watch your fucking oshi.

>>48959250
Motherfucker this was nine months ago

>>48964921
Mori - i think everyone expected her to, that is just her personality.
Kiara - she already knew how it will turn out so she abstained
Ina - nope, in fact only Shien from JP because in same business collab.
Gura - nope
Ame - like twice? despite telling us to improve, very few.
Irys - nope
Fauna - nope
Kronii - The most aside from Mori, the frequency feel like she is just doing it to spite her fans now
Mumei - nope
Bae - despite being fan of HoloStars JP day 1, ignore tempus.
Sana - dead

>>48965673
Yeah and the effects of it still linger. Ame did an unarchived karaoke the other night and the hype was practically dead in Global for how it used to be. We can all sense it, a lot of people indeed took her advice and improved themselves, which means improve their enjoyment of watching vtubers by not watching Ame.

>>48965312
LOL didn't you said you ignore? LMAO guess i.....touched a nerve. kek bye, keep seething.

>>48965859
It's hilarious how Teakeks pretended they've always liked the homos

>>48965632
Jesus you have actual square brain
No man if the person doesnt stop being racist then you dont stop disliking them for it
Normal people dont just forgive and forget for no reason
I havent wasted a thought on her in months but when its literally the topic of discussion of course im gonna bring it up

>>48965845
>Mumei - nope
hoomans really did memoryholed that gartic phone collab

nah only thing I got from these discussions is I'll outwomen these women, holy shit I'd outmommy outcook and fucking outclass these bitches fucking let me in yagoo, men deserve the best women out there in the vtubing scene and I am the man for the job

>>48965590
Do not take any form of numberfagging outside of /#/ at face value, they know they're not getting ganged up and bullied out of the thread.

>>48966130
I will support you

>>48966056
cucks really remember it all, why don't you tell us how you got cucked? i don't remember everything just to seethe about it.

Niji deflection

>>48966175
I don’t really care. I just like shitting on people like you.

>>48966175
>abusive relationships 101

>>48960577
IRyS has literally had nothing but amazing streams with the exception of Minecraft with Kobo and its because the two don't talk enough. What the FUCK are you talking about?

>>48965845
>Ina - nope, in fact only Shien from JP because in same business collab.
>Memoryholing the Cover Collab she did.

>>48963111
>cute girl
>Cute
that's the issue, her design is literally not cute

>>48966056
Guess my memory's bad. Which Tempus member was in that collab?

>>48965845
>Bae - despite being fan of HoloStars JP day 1, ignore tempus.
Dead by Daylight?

>>48966175
>cucks really remember it all
>i don't remember everything
huh

This sounds like a Massive Niji deflection, with most of the numbers taken near the early parts of the streams, or streams that are multi-part.

>>48959345
That's the problem I don't like Watson

>>48960577
15/week is about 390
Compare to 2021 hours

>>48966245
you got cucked but you don't care, spoken like a true cuck.
>>48966267
you cucks remember everything, why have me remember it all?

>>48966392
Thats not niji deflection. its every single fucking numberfagging thread in theis gayass board that does thant

>>48965063
No. The mistake was Sana. Shot council in the leg before it even got off the ground, just cause she couldn't stream chink gachas all day

>>48966332
thank you cuck, which tempus member was it?

>>48958966
*cough *cough holostars *cough *cough

>>48965041
>>48965845
it's 5/10
Mori, Kronii, Ame, Bae and Ina
Mumei has collabed with the JP Stars but at least it's not tempiss

>>48965845
wdym Bae?? That Vesper collab was pretty fun because I'm not into Bae and Vesper is actually entertaining

Thus really is just a bad numbers thread. That shit ruined board culture.

>>48966595
Vesper and Altare

>>48966271
You can come out of the closet at any time

>ignorantly not considering that there are only 15000 NEETs that give a damn in the EN audience, while the rest of the fandom are now back to work and school.

>>48966595
Say ahhh little baby
https://www.youtube.com/live/Do_vuPoYrYQ?feature=share
https://www.youtube.com/live/J8Y3t6m32D0?feature=share

literally everyone in this thread, pro or anti tempus, are massive faggots who will die without ever touching pussy and are threats to the gene pool
You cucks seriously gave an obvious bait thread 300 replies in such a short time span. A bullet to the brain is recommended.

>>48962555
Kiara on-paper sounds like the fucking perfect chuuba but in practice her personality and voice and mannerisms are just mid -at fucking best- and otherwise sub-par.

Kiara does have good streams sometimes, her voice is somewhat better than it used to be and does have strong points (very pon, does cute streams like ironing clothes or arts and crafts, can zatsudan for like 9 hours without even trying) but also it's that she sometimes has little barbs that drama sisters latch onto that kind of remind us she is a bit temperamental/menhera under the surface and that's kind of distracting.

Just even talking about it it's like "I can see why people don't like her as I don't think she's perfect myself, but man I really liked those puppet streams and her GTA streams, why don't -I- watch her more" and them immediately think "I rarely can catch her live due to hours" and "half the time it's some boring 8 hour long JRPG stream." So that. If she was NA hours and less lazy with content she could incline but I dunno if she has the energy to put on a lot of high-effort/high concept streams all the time as probably few do.

>>48966868
Well, that's what I've been saying. Crying Numbers isn't going to erase the Niji Yab or Vshojo imploding.

>>48962555
based post Kiara is the only Holo EN i like

>>48965673
I think you underestimate how easy it is to drop someone. It's not a conscious decision I've had to make every day for the past 9 months. I made the decision to stop watching her and after about 3 weeks of missing her streams, not checking her twitter, and not discussing her in threads she just faded into the background like all the others. Bonds are a lot easier to break than they are to form.

>>48959250
>>48960577
only 4chan virgins care about this

>>48966595
Dude it was the infamous kronii collab, her first homo collab, bae was there too, she also did a 1on1 collab with vesper and participated in ollie’s apex tournament with one of the tempoop boys

>>48966958
I guess over half of Ame's audience is that then.

>>48966868
There will be no peace until all of Tempus graduates
HomostarsEN was the biggest mistake Cover has ever made

>>48966958
You faggots asked why shes a 3view and we showed you why
What part of this discussion makes you think that there is room to argue here

>>48967031
you can bring peace to yourself via suicide, faggot.

>>48967031
Cover doesn't see it that way.

>>48967086
you first homosister

>>48966259
Ok Brian, now go back play Splatoon with Irys

>>48967117
>It's either your with us or you're against us!
Holy Sith shit.

>>48967117
>cant stop thinking about cocks while replying to me

>More CCV than any other well-known Twitch streamer
I guess the streamer culture in the west is dead.

captcha:sysyx

>>48967146
>another one got hit by the switch boyfriend notification
lmao at some point you'd think management would tell them to turn those off

covid buff is over, sports have returned in full swing and school has returned to normal, this was inevitable

>>48965115
>at least they're streaming, Gura spent her whole weekend on complete radio silence.
Picked a good weekend to do so. Allowed me to focus on the drama.

>>48967560
Just stop adding private boyfriend contacts on work accounts.
The girls are either stupid as shit or have secret fetishes imagining their vtuber persona getting NTRed infront of ger fans.

>>48967591
I think that accounts for some damage to their viewernumbers but you'd be an idiot to think it wasn't in large part self-inflicted as well
Fauna growing into the largest EN while other previously larger channels declined to half her size is proof of that

>>48967591
Yeah except for the part where HoloJP has kept on rising in these same conditions, and even average if not traditionally average or low tier Holos cross 10k without too much effort. You can say that's reflective of the audience but somehow HoloJP had much lower viewership -during- the Covid buff than after, that ain't easy to explain.

>>48958877
Luxiem massive declining deflection thread

>>48967759
Anon, in JP, vtubing is a more mainstream idea.

>>48967759
You can go out onto the streets and see people talking about vtubers and anime nowadays.
Before covid, you wouldn't get that, anime maybe but definitely not vtubers.
In the west you get neither, but behind closed doors like during covid, you have some westerners watching vtubers.

Stop worrying about numbers, like Fauna and Gura always say. Pick a few that don't overlap and you'll be eating good.
Sayu will be soon added to the list.

>>48967833
please reading comprehension is not that difficult

>>48967808
Based clown man

>>48967986
You'd have to move over to twitch if you want sayu on that list.

>>48967986
>10$ a month for a dead channel
the absolute state of chumkeks

>>48967146
Oh hi schizo

>>48968064
She'll be the one to finally make me do it. But honestly, with her new popularity. She should restart on Youtube. 50/50 cut is stupid.

>>48967712
hot

>>48966056
english tip:
whenever you use the word "did" or "did not", the verb that comes after should be in the present tense form. for example:

correct: did you buy?
wrong: did you bought?

>>48968204
*50/50 um whatever that high cut is, forgot.

>>48968115
goobah make ya seethe

>>48967808
>Luxuem are 1k shitters now
Hahahahhahaha

what’s the appeal of a numberfag thread?

>>48967986
What is even the point of the higher membership tiers; especially for Gura?

>>48967808
Sisters... You need to cut deeper

>>48968319
To show how much you want to support her.

>>48968276
Holy molly, that's a smug shark. Care to give the sauce?

>>48967759
hololive has a genuine presence in japan though. You can walk around various parts of japan and find hololive's footprint somewhere. They don't enjoy such luxuries here with how hard it is to get a shoe in western advertising.

>>48959415
Gura>Ina>Fauna>IRyS>Mumei
No one gives a fuck about Troonii

>>48968319
It gives nothing extra. Just my support. Gura brought me down the rabbit hole, that I'm still grateful for. I've enjoyed seeing her make her dreams come true. Plus I'm a sucker for any vtuber than never begs for SC. Take my money.

>>48968312
these are usually made by the numberfags that got kicked out of the numberfag thread

>>48968312
Vtubers/streamers are just the next dataset to keep track of after stocks and crypto.

>>48966013
(nta)

>>48968445
Stay cool chumbie, we're all gonna make it

>>48968464
this guy gets it

They keep doing that, streaming over each other

>>48959415
>>48968438
Forgot the image

>>48959078
>posting Gura who declined from the lack of streams

>>48967986
>me who is membered to Gura and Mumei

>>48968438
>No one gives a fuck about Troonii
The numbers disagree

>>48968596
It's okay. If you don't like whatever one of them is streaming you can change to another.

>>48966868
and yet your post accomplished exactly the same as all those other posts you're bitching about, congrats

>>48968712
Wrong
She is tied with Bae for “who gives a fuck”
>>48968672

this talk about ftm trooning reminds me of the mssp patreon podcast where lemaire reveals he likes fucking ftm troons because of the gorilla grip from all the test.

>>48968791
>She is tied with Bae
Bae wishes she could get 4k-8k on regular gaming streams

we're not escaping this year without an en graduation. only question is who and how many.

>>48969077
please be Mori please be Mori please be Mori

>>48960577
>Kiara doesnt count
kys

>>48969077
Ame or Gura probably. You can feel the lack of energy from them while streaming. Ame at least is trying but we don't know how much more will she keep it like that.

>>48969077
Gura is on her way out

>>48969077
Eh I dunno. Gun to my head I would guess Kronii but honestly Cover doesn’t seem to care how little some of these girls are streaming.

>>48960250

>>48969164
>already has plans for Holofes next year.
Suure thing.

>>48958877
Lack of streams or exciting new things happening is killing holoEN, there's not even EN3 to create new interactions, "But muh EN concert" not everyone is going to pay for this and the event is still days away, doesn't help that EN viewers are unloyal as fuck instead of asking the girls for more streams they just say "Just watch other talents bro, there's very talented people outside of hololive" like wtf no wonder JPs become more and more popular everyday while ENs are dying

>>48969164
At one point I may have said Mori was most likely but since the universal music deal she’s in for the long haul short of some massive fuck up on her end. She knows this is a once in a life time thing and she’s gonna ride it out as long as she can.

>>48969663
a man can dream

>>48968672
>all those literal who indie games she plays
>could only beat Kronii with karaoke and pekora's event
not the own you think it is

>>48969077
People like to dunk on Gura but I doubt she will leave, she invested money in some animation stuff that will suppose release this year + hololive is pretty much her dream job for her lazy/unhealthy "lifestyle" girl would get fired from any other normal job with the way she handles things

>>48970272
this plus Hololive wants to keep her around as a mascot even if she doesn't stream
Gura is an important symbol for their brand's success on the worldwide stage

>>48967833
Gura is the only mainstream vtuber anon.

>>48970418
Yep without gura as mascot hololive would suffer.

>>48959250
whore

>>48966958
ok unwanted in society in every way faggot

>>48971232
Maybe not hololive but EN would, she is like half of their merch sales