/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>48892407
She had suspicions she was being targetted for deletion. It being about Genshin is incidental.

>>48892407
Gifting in game currency to a vtuber is a way to by pass giving money to her company since they can’t take any percentage off those currency. It’s like telling your pay pigs to send you gifts via an Amazon wish list etc.

>>48892407
my guess is that they dont want her to advertise her past life because they own zaion and sayu
> most supportive vtuber company

>>48892648
*and not sayu

>>48892642
This is the real reason. I can't remember exactly how many times she got gifted but it was probably $500+ USD in primos and Anycolor gets none of it.

>>48892847
What a pathetic company.

>>48892407
This is a textbook case of using "smarter" grammar than the user is accustomed to
What she was meaning to say was akin to "I was wondering why they didn't want me to use my 'main' GI Account, but i gave up arguing them"
Ignoring the circumventing of gifts, she also opens up the possibility of having her info sent out to a much larger audience (Which did happen) and then having the risk of people messaging her whatever they want, which thankfully did not happen

It's the same reason all vtubers in corpo world freak out when they forget to mute all-chat or mic's in FPS' or MMO's. It's not that they are banned from speaking to people, it's that they are 100% unpredictable

>>48892407
They were angry she was getting thousands of dollars worth of in-game assets and not getting a cut of it. Not like she could buy anything with that money, like pay rent, or get food.

>>48892847
I don't know that this is true or else they wouldn't let Luxiem's biggest paypigs donate through Streamlabs. My guess is something more akin to favoritism if others didn't get in trouble for doing similar things as her.

>>48892992
>This is a textbook case of using "smarter" grammar than the user is accustomed to
>i gave up arguing them
ESL-chama....

>>48892992
Didn't she complain about FFXIV too? I feel like having to start new accounts for MMOs and online games when you join a Japanese corpo isn't really that unexpected, they have way more retarded rules. Did anyone else who streamed FFXIV in EN get to use their original account the entire time?

>>48893891
So if that's the case what was their problem with her to begin with? I mean, they're the ones who hired her. If you know you have it out for her why sign her? Or if they're hatred happened later, what was the one thing that set them off?

I mean it's pretty obvious that they did have it out for her, but I'm still scratching me at to what caused it.

>>48893891
Can't they still take a cut from their streamlabs?

>>48894064
I think her 2 week old manager had it out for her the moment she contacted another manager because they were useless. That's what caused her first suspension, and everything just goes downhill from there

>>48893891
They still take a cut through streamlabs, retard

>>48894064
she jumped chain of command by dming the manager who trained her instead of the 2 week hire that was her actual manager
that manager took it personally or if not her some 3rd bureaucrat who had to unfuck that mess

>>48894064
Millie's first manager was like that too, she often voiced dissatisfaction with the way things ran and spoke ill of them. I guess some managers go on a power trip trying to police the talents.

>>48894862
>>48894775
>work for a company based in japan, a country world-famous for its strictly defined, hierarchical corporate work culture
>go above your manager to bitch directly to upper management about your issues with the way the company is run

woman moment. what was she expecting? i would've had it out for her too.

>>48895179
>i would've had it out for her too
Yeah cause you're a woman

>>48893891
look at this retard

>>48892642
They want to curb any thinking of this, imagine if other nijien know it and do the same thing.

>>48894775
It's fucking bonkers, because they punish you for seeking advice and mentorship in the company from other than you assigned manager is both counterproductive, unnecessary, insane, and malicious.

They didn't want her one upping Finana

>>48892702
>not own
They pretty much control what she can use or said on her pl though.

>>48894049
She says in her document that she told them she would use a new account for FFXIV but decided to use her old one anyway. That was the last straw that got her terminated.

>>48894369
Yes they could, i dunno why that anon compare it to streamlab

>>48892407
My take was other NijiEN talents were streaming GI, I don't know whether or not they were sponsored since I'm not a nijinigger, and Zaion would be stealing their thunder by her fast growth and streaming GI content so they wanted to nerf her into oblivion to make her learn her place. Also very likely the other EN members were shit talking her to management behind her back.

>>48895520
Anyone who watched that stream knows that it's because of the direct in-game donations she was receiving

>>48895400
>most talent freedom company

>>48895520
if you stop and think about it for five seconds you might be surprised to find out how fucking dumb your take is

>>48895738
and you wouldn't be such a faggot if your mom didn't drop you on your head and let your step brother molest you

>>48895830
stop projecting

>>48895830
i accept your concession

>>48896103
>>48896123
#cut4hex btw

>>48893891
They take a cut from streamlabs retard.

>>48892642
I always assumed most vtubers don't actually want you to do this anyway though. like unless you're REALLY into the game I think most people would rather have the cash, even if Susan and Anycolor take a cut, rather than a shitload of gacha currency

>>48892407
>Because of what happened with a prior graduation in the company, I had already been told by my senpais that oftentimes suspensions would be disguised as “breaks” by the talents.
Does Hololive do this too?

>>48899976
assume yes since they're both based in japan

>>48899976
I can't remember a single instance of that happening to holo.

>>48892642
What, so if someone sent a bottle of expensive wine to one of the chuubas, does Niji want a percentage of the liquid too?

>>48901358
That wouldn't be allowed in the first place.

>>48895363
this is my schizo rrat. zaion was by far more charismatic, intelligent, and would have been THE gacha streamer in nijiEN. she would have killed the feesh and taken her main audience.

>>48901770
>s-she gaslighted me pls go attack her
It all makes sense now, holy shit!

>>48892992
>It's the same reason all vtubers in corpo world freak out when they forget to mute all-chat or mic's in FPS' or MMO's.
Towa, Matsuri, and Laplus leave voice chat on all the time.
Watch streams, faggot.

>>48892407
It could be as simple as they were not going to back down, just to show who's boss.

I played Genshin as a F2P when it debuted. Left after completing most of the story, because grinding for those artifacts was boring as fuck. She has years of that grind to make perfect sets. That can't be bought...though I'm sure she has thousands invested in it. To throw all that away because of a whim, is okay for casual players, but she's an endgame player. Someone who would actually attract viewers for that game.

>>48895363
>>48901770
>>48901909
My mind just got blown. Another gacha vtuber but is actually entertaining would kill fish.

>>48896879
Zaion however is *really* into that game.

>>48902704
She'd probably end up spending a lot of her money on it anyways.

>>48899976
Not as far as we know. The closest possible case might be Laplus, but there were instances like Vesper getting suspended for some behind the scenes reason that got everybody confused. You’d think if they did stealth suspensions that they could have covered that one up.

>>48902950
Could be he refused to play ball

>>48901909
>>48902692
Based on the document, I assume that Zaion reached out to Finana on a number of occasions to vent to her about personal stuff. Venting to someone isn't gaslighting. Mind you, I like Finana a lot, but I recognize she's fucking retarded at times and anything to her is "gaslighting." Because I like her, I'm assuming she didn't make this accusation out of malice but rather because she's just that stupid. The accusation came out of nowhere and was completely unnecessary, and she didn't even elaborate what about Zaion did was "gaslighting."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDrkTRkeoLQ

But maybe, just maybe... she wanted to kill off a competitor.

>>48903166
Trusting Finana is a huge mistake.

>>48895830
You sure know a lot about being an inbred.

>>48892407
Niji management just made up a new excuse every time Zaion came back with an argument against their previous one.
>You can't use your PL account because you are friends with PL fans on it
>Well actually you can't because the account existed before Zaion
>Well actually it's because your PL account was sponsored by Genshin in the past
>Well actually it's because your account is too well known
At this point she gave up. With this information all you can concretely conclude is that management had it out specifically for Zaion and that they didn't want to give her the "real reason." She didn't say or even give enough info to imply what she thought was the "real reason," likely to not get accused of spreading unfound rumors.

>>48895179
>Jumping chain of command because her direct manager is fucking retarded
I bet you're going to do the same if your direct
manager is pants in head retarded too. But my guess is you're a kid who never work irl. It's pretty common for employees to run to regional manager if local manager is fucking stupid.

>>48899976
I don't think so. They don't put Vesper suspension as "break" and this is after Rushia debacle

>>48903166
I'll never understand why people think Finana is an interesting streamer. Her model is pretty much just Green Luna.

>>48904045
I'm really enjoying her omori stream. She's cute, passionate, and tries her best. She does her cute little kiss at the end and sometimes she acts like a little brat in need of correction. But yeah, these are things that Zaion could have outdone her in. Streaming is all Finana really has anyway so to an extent I understand if her self-preservation instincts kicked in.

>>48892407
basically she accidently ran into situations that showed how fuckin retarded nijimanagement was and that pissed off her management.
her management being vindictive and escalating for no good reason.
she then barks up the tree because they are petty on her and now we here

>>48901770
Finana has an audience?

>>48906921
What's left of it after the Valocord yab, yeah.

>>48892407
Grudge from management because she won't bow down and lick their boots.

>>48906921
Yeah, check her discord.

>>48895179
I hope you never get a position in management. You sound petty and insecure as fuck.

>>48904317
She’d have a much easier time if she didn’t just stream debuff content nonstop and ghost her fans on April Fool’s. Seriously, it can’t just be stupidity. It must be stupidity combined with the belief that her viewers are stupider than her. Which is a fair assumption to make for many vtubers, but not for Finana.

>>48909555
Actually, she guessed right on that one. Anyone with two brain cells could have seen from a mile away that she was going to stand up her audience on April Fool's for an ASMR stream and yet she had viewers who actually stuck until the end. Unfortunately, you can interpret this as there being an expectation to have little faith for her on this day. Either way, it was in bad taste to do, and her peers in Lazulight actually delivered content in contrast. Ghosting her fans and not capitalizing on her music are just two of the many mistakes she's done as a streamer.

>>48909806
Her April Fool was the stupidest thing to do.
She really has a fish brain.

>>48903166
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDrkTRkeoLQ
The most recent comments in this video are really precious kek

>>48912204
I'm not surprised at all people came back to comment on the video. At this point I'd ask other Ryuguards if they think Finana lied or if she was just stupid.

>>48901770
have you seen her ccv? girl was a 3 view long before flopsoleil was even announced

>>48903166
Possibly. No one asked for Finana's input on this, her wavemates were enough. She wanted to throw more attacks at Zaion's character. I understand not wanting to hear venting, but it's shitty to use that as an example of gaslighting.

>>48903777
Sure, you can do that. But from that moment on you are on the absolute shit list of your local manager. Whatever little error you do, you will get the harshest punishment for it, while your peers will get away with it.
If you work RL, you don't go behind your regional boss.

>>48904317
Isn't she pretty much self-sabotaging herself?
It seems like she resent being streamer and playing a character. Like she has unresolved anger issues.

>>48892407
probably about wanting a bite of every revenue a niji makes

>>48913788
>Don't know about toxic work environment laws
>Don't know that you can document all the harassments
>Don't know that when you say the word "Lawsuit" to HR they gonna fold faster than you can fold a crane origami
Hell, if you live in single consent state, you can record their harassment. Or you can request security footages from IT.

>>48909806
Moona Hoshinova
>Literally paid for her own baby version
>Make cute content for April Fool Day
Fish Uguuuu
>Make a promise
>Balked on that promise
>Think it's a funny April Fool's joke. But it's more mean spirited than funny.

>>48914441
Bullshit, I can fold origami really fast.

>>48903546
i can't believe niji management is antisemitism

>>48903166
Fish is retarded and probably told her groomer discord and since those people are demonic freaks that never had real friends they took it as gaslighting.

>>48912204
They educated themselves

>>48914315
Like I said in >>48903166, I can't think of a reason why Finana decided to air dirty laundry like that unprompted, days after Zaion's peers made their statements, and after Nijisanji had made Zaion's termination official. I can't see how this would benefit her, so I assume she did it out of complete stupidity rather than lying for her benefit.
>>48915187
To my knowledge she's no longer part of that Discord, but with things like these you can never truly be sure.

>>48893891
Retard

>>48894369
They can and they actually do.
Pomu talked about her biggest cut coming from superchats. She would've said streamlabs if they had no cut in there.
The company is as black as it can get

>>48892407
Money
she was getting gifted gems because of her UID being known/spread
That's in the company eyes, literal donations they can't get a cut from

>>48894049
the content she wanted to do was not the beginning of the game
so to put it up to what she wanted she would have to put money on it, which on this part was clearly she wanted to look better on her side of the story, cause she is not shy to spending money on stream, even on her new genshin account she had to make she pulled alot of gacha

>>48896512
>make a retarded take without knowing jackshit
>can't accept being called retarded
>blame on fujochinks

>>48914914
Maybe you're right. But folding origami will not make HR shit their pants. Before you can finish the word "Lawsu-" their blood pressure will shot up and they dread the phone call from the legal department.

>>48892407
>I've read it over a couple of times but I guess I'm just not understanding what she's implying here, what is she saying the "real reason" they didn't want her to use her Genshin account is?
She's suggesting it wasn't about Genshin Impact or her account at all, every time she provided a reasonable response for the latest red line on why she couldn't play with her own account they would pull another reason out of their ass. My guess is the manager had taken a strong dislike towards her and being a new hire unfamilair to vtubing and moreso western culture, they decided to sabotage her career by any and all means. It was like one of those shitty films with a biased teacher who lets their pet students get away with murder while constantly calling out the one they dislike for the most minor of infractions.

>>48894064
She had an entirely different JP manager for the on-boarding process compared to the one she got when she made it into the company. The latter one was someone completely fresh to the company and seemingly unfamiliar with working with westerners and took an extreme dislike towards Zaion in particular and started being maliciously petty with her from the get-go.

>>48916259
My rrat is:
This was already a set up from the beginning. Someone or a group with personal vendetta (from her PL) decided to fuck with Zaion by letting her into Nijisanji only to troll her hard and ruining her reputation before kicking her out.
What they didn't expect is that rather than disappearing into obscurity Zaion decided to go full scorched earth on Nijisanji. This may led to a Lawsuit and counter Lawsuit that will reveal more of both sides.
It will be a bloodbath for both sides, and knowing how badly managed anykara's legal team, this will cause untold damage to the company and people who conspire against Zaion. Sure Zaion will get burned too but at least she gonna go down with them.

>>48916259
this, I'd say they realized early on she wasn't going to go along to get along and she disliked their obvious favoritism, which only further antagonized them against her, proving themselves right in their minds with her protesting to their unfair decisions

>>48917244
she truly is the anti hero

>>48894049
Either Kyo or Finana seemingly just made a new character on their old account. He/she used a store mount and said they were surprised it was account-wide, implying they bought it for a different character

>>48914315
>>48915257
Everything we've seen about Finana so far suggests she's an extremely malleable zoomer who adopts whatever is the latest influence in her social circle. This includes twitter callout culture. Same reason she made the retarded parasocialism tweet. She opens her mouth before she thinks.
However the fish might be holding her own trauma, the kind that makes people constantly overexplain things because they've been misunderstood or ignored so many times before.

>>48918750
So you're saying she's trying too hard to gain approval from strangers by doing the most recent hot topics?
That sounds unhealthy mentally.

>>48892407
She's a failure, and can´t deal with a 'no'

>>48919995
Yes, she's a woman

>>48912332
I learned to never take what Finana says at face value a long time ago