/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

It's the nijisanji special

>>48829357
BLACK COMPANY

>>48829357
I have a lot more respect now for Rosemi saying "fuck that" and doing her debut herself on the cheap.

>>48829357
debut = put u in debt

>>48829357
why would anyone agree to that in the first place

kek why are ranunculus/voltaction even there when they had a whole debut song commissioned by the company

>>48829509
tl;dr me on this, how did Rosemi's debut go?

>>48829357
Debut?
More like DEBT BUT Lemao

>>48829357
Now you know how anycolor make so much money.

>>48829357
>i was hugely in the red
And you think this shit applies to everyone like that picture, OP? For fucks sake, one of the groups is having their 3D debut this month.

>>48829749
Through merch and sponsorship deals?

>>48829357
Let's be real Y'all this explains why some debuts look lit while others look like trash, it's a matter of how much they will spend for Thier own Debuts to make an Impression.

>>48829849
Also cuts from donations. Streamers only get 20-40% of what they receive in donations/superchats.

>>48829749
ACCELERATE! DEBUT A NEW WAVE WE NEED MORE MONEY!

>>48829868
Please do not use nigger and Twitter language on my board. Thank you for understanding.

>>48829357
nah the debts is mostly for the talents no the agency

>>48829868
>Y'all

>>48829357
Whose words are these?

>>48829868
>it's a matter of how much they will spend for Thier own Debuts to make an Impression.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkbG17qCTSA

>>48829737
>spend more money than you should've on your lore video
>gets fired three months later for being a fuck up
>"this is nijisanjis fault!!!"

skill issue

>>48829786
Didn't they deny one of their livers from 3D because they were too fat?

>>48829927
Ah fuck so that's why they accelerate so much, they don't need to spend any money on their talents so they keep shitting them out

>>48829849
not anymore

>>48830396
Fulgur Ovid. That mainly happened because he has back problems due to car accident he had in the past. After he stopped being very physically active, he became Eric Cartman. Now he's doing whatever he can to fix his shit.

>Shu went into debt for this
no way...

I remembered iluna and xsoleil debuts doing a lot of animations and shit. Wonder how much did it all costs

>>48829357
>in order to plan and execute a debut befitting of a talent of such a big company
Having this line and all the new Nijisanji groups in the same pics is hilarious. Most people don't even care about their lore videos, probably spent less than half than she did, but are still successful as Niji livers. It's her own fault for overspending and putting herself in debt.

>>48830774
I always shitted on Shu, Millie, and Rosemi for being cheap fucks during their debuts, but now I fully understand why did it.
>>48830859
Enough to leave you eating 50 cent ramens for rest of the month.

>>48830192
>nijinigs can't fucking read
typical

>>48830664
>not anymore
lmao

>>48830192
All corpos finance their talents debut and even give them cash for their debuts nijirat

Funny thing is that Voltaction and Ranunculus all have 3D and outfits paid by the company. The only thing not paid is things like covers and shit on debut, tahts why everyone in jp does it simple unlike in en where they try to do super well done

>>48830975
>Enough to leave you eating 50 cent ramens for rest of the month.
Ver, Zaion's genmate, was rolling in red superchats during his last asmr membership stream. He's currently on break for exams right now. Something tells me he's living pretty comfortably.

It's the same fucking thing for Hololive why is this a big deal now

>>48831047
>retard dramatranny gets his opinions from other dramatrannies
classic

>>48831206
>3D and outfits
Anon, they still need to pay for those. Best way to see is how there are different qualities for 3D debuts. Anycolor likely set a budget and time for those 3Ds however if they wanted to produce higher quality ones, they need to fork some.

>>48831516
>It's the same fucking thing for Hololive why is this a big deal now
Fauna was melting over some minecraft youtuber who stopped by her stream so these are the deflection threads for the next month.

>quit being indie
>join a company
>still have pay out your own pocket
What's even the point then? Vtuber corpos are a massive scam.

>>48829357
Anykara? More like Anykuro

>>48831516
I was confused over this too. Isn't this literally standard for most companies including Hololive?

She herself even admitted she didn't need to do anything special for her debut.

>>48831235
>$3.5k
lmao

>>48831642
Nijisanji was the biggest ad for the jew company

>>48829357
Stop mixing Nijisanji and NijisanjiEN

>>48832626
where is she?

>>48832431
More money than Zaion is making, that's for sure. I'm sure he's crying himself at with his supachat money.

>>48829357
so that's why they ACCELERATE the debuts

>>48831516
>>48832280
>Nijisanji does something bad
>S-S-S-Surely hololive does the same thing too

>>48832476
The backend part is bullshit, but they have been hiring and are hiring more talent managers.

>>48831642
>have the chance to apply to hololive till the end of time
>decide to settle with nijisanji
Learn from nene, keep sending your applications. Make hololive bend to your will.

>>48832718
proof it's bullshit?

>>48832626
>NijiJP is actually good guys

>>48832718
you words are less trustworthy of the words a Jew of all people said, thats how fucking bad you are

>>48832725
Nene went through depression and yet is still in Hololive. Nijisan- ACK.

>>48832626
Where is Roa?

>>48830928
The fact that they have to use their own money is the problem, chud. Just because her **former** genmates spent / invested less than her on their debut doesn't change the fact that Niji doesn't provide fund to help their talents to startup their career. She wouldn't have said any of this statement of her paying shit herself if the company actually gave her (and pretty much every talents they recruited) debut fund.
>"What if she lied?"
Then we're just gonna fucking see if AnyColor would try to battle her in the court room. If AnyColor doesn't do anything, then her words are now the truth, especially her revealing that Nijisanji's "Breaks = Suspension".

>>48831516
Because this happened today

>>48832717
It's funny because the worst leak on backroom talk on hololive was when rushia said that miko said bad thing to her. Turn out miko said "faq u" and rushia think it's a serious shit.

>>48832747
They've DM'd live on stream to managers without a response, but there is gen 2 coming soon and they've been expanding the team A LOT so that won't be a problem for long.
>>48832789
I actually watch the jews and love them.

>>48831581
Nah, it's even worse. Some discord groomer is sad that his shitty google doc didn't earn traction at all in the reddit, so he's gonna shit all over the board with one page at the time.

>>48832948
>>48831581
boy you guys are desperate aren;t you?

>>48831235
That's because Ver produces content and made money from baiting, you dumbfuck. That has nothing to do with fucking animation costs.
>>48832725
Nene at least shows people that self-improvement and persistence work.

>>48829868
finna frfr no cap on god

>>48831581
>>48832866
How is this an issue

>>48832993
You're really collecting shitty comments on Twitter? I'm barely using this shitty platform for browsing cosplay. And while some kpop stans are being stupid by responding to the guy directly, it doesn't make Zaion less of a bitter bitch.

>>48833176
Nijitroons need to deflect please understand

>>48833040
>That has nothing to do with fucking animation costs.
Something that could've been payed off had she stuck around. But apparently, her Genshin account was more important.

>>48833264
>You can't use your PL account because you are friends with PL fans on it
>Well actually you can't because they existed before Zaion (literally every PL account existed before their current persona, how is this even an argument)
>Well actually it's because your PL account was sponsored by Genshin in the past
>Well actually it's because your account is too well known

Anyone in the company who shat on Zaion would literally throw any other person under the bus and are the scum of the earth

>>48833176
Deflection threads are a common tactic to divert attention from bigger concerns.

>>48832832
Roa is still releasing merch but not streaming because she is retarded and also in a lawsuit
>>48832749
No one gives a shit about Gwelu and that's why he does the things he does. Otherwise he wouldn't even get 20 views.
>>48832670
I don't care enough about her because even when i took my time to learn japanese i still don't know how mahjong works.

>>48833390
>Nijisanji is actually good guys, it's just NijiEN that's bad
>T-T-T-That doesn't count

>>48833293
Yet Doppio and Ver and many other members had no problems playing on new accounts. Sounds like a personal issue to me.

>>48832626
>does the same exact shit
Where's Roa?

sisters trying to sweep everything under the rug

>>48833390
>DOESN'T COUNT!
legit pathetic

>>48833437
yet other members had no problems playing on their old accounts

>>48832836
>The fact that they have to use their own money is the problem, chud
But I was told that anycolor helps them on their debut. >>48832836
>Then we're just gonna fucking see if AnyColor would try to battle her in the court room
After spouting shit like this, the chance of that happening is probably high. Also, funny if you think Zaion has any sort of chance after putting words into EN members's mouths.

>>48833293
This. Zaion was ALLOWED by her manager(s) to use her PL account at first, but then backtracked it AFTER she had stream using said PL account. It this Zaion's fault? Fuck no. It's her fucking manager(s) and the company's fault for backtracking their statement.

>>48833390
>makes her vanish and still tries to milk her
>d-doesn't count!!!!
>d-doesn't count!!!!
really now?

>>48829357
If Nijisanji really makes their talent pay for their debut out of pocket.. what's the point in joining Nijisanji? You're literally just a number in a flood of Nijisanji so your corpo buff isn't even that big. Might as well stay indie and not get fucked by cuts.

>>48833749
Exposure, appearently

>>48833749
They unironically pay in exposure, Nijisanji is a big brand name. But if you don't catch fire all by your own then enjoy being poor forever because they just accelerated again and left you in the dust.

No wonder some debuts are absolute garbage

>>48829357
>Says the debut vids are from their own pocket
>one of the most kino debut lore is Pomu’s, something she made on her own on paint
>Asks Merry to make her lore video which puts her in the red and couldn’t buy depression meds
>Gets almost every stream during her first few weeks privated so no income
I feel sad for her initially but she’s retarded.

>>48834614
The whole wave was done by Merry though I think?

>>48834614
If Merry wanted to be nice he would reach out and offer to pay her back. Instead he's too busy shitting on Pippa and MariMari in Niji streams as "trailer park vtubers" and that pink rabbit was owned by pink cat.

>>48834706
Didn't he also instantly throw her under the bus?

>>48834651
Yeah but the others had consistent streams during their initial hype phase so they probably started making money post debut. I think by week 2 Zaion only had like 4 streams public

>>48829357
>Makes talents pay to debut
Nijisanji is an MLM scheme

>>48829357
It's on zaion for being a retard. She spent thousand sof dollars on a 3 minute animation from Merriweather. 0 taste.

>>48829735
She basically used MS paint and PowerPoint for her debut. Kept it super simple.

>>48835033
So did everyone else. Because apparently you can't do lore without Merry you have to have him WRITE THE LORE and have his seamonkey artists do all the heavy lifting

>>48829509
It's the best thing to do to be honest. Mega debut animations and what not don't sell anyone on who you are. In fact they put you up high on a pedestal and force you to give 300% every single stream or you come crashing back down.

I remember feeling that way with IRyS and her entire hope is descending shtick. It was fun until she started streaming and none of that super mega burner shit meant anything.

>>48834614
>I feel sad for her initially but she’s retarded
Hence the meds.

>>48830192
Idol sends their talent literal free PC and mic to get them started
What is Niji’s excuse?

>>48834886
Merry is a male menhera, so that doesn't surprise me.

>>48834706
>Instead he's too busy shitting on Pippa and MariMari in Niji streams as "trailer park vtubers"
>trailer park vtubers
Says the guy that writes the lore for vshitshow
>pink rabbit was owned by pink cat
Pink cat letf the e-girl company you write lore for, with gaping holes in the shit you came up for them, Merry.
>>48834886
Wouldn't surprise me if he did.

>>48830774
More like literally couldn't afford any better and Nijisanji told him "we already pay you in exposure bro"

>>48835589
Free iPhone X for face tracking lol

>>48835888
One of Idol talents already had good a iPhone, but she wanted another one so she split the cost with management.

>>48836078
The Jews really look after their own huh

>>48832832
>>48833458
Watch as they will deny the fact she is elsewhere now and riding out the wave until they eventually kick her out, or forget she exists like the ghost.
They will deny that all her JP fans have her added.
They will deny that they regularly watch her.
They will deny that her literal new name is a reference to Roa in the most blunt fucking way possible. (literally Dead Roa)
She's never coming back. Not now.

>>48829357
>literally paying in exposure

>>48829357
Everything's fine

>>48829579
Because they think they'll make it up on the back end. Some of them will. Some won't.

>>48829357
fucking black company

>>48834886
If he didn't, Sayu should.
Imagine friending someone who let you drown in that much debt.

They call themselves Anycolor, but of all the choices they decided to go with black.

>>48829357
No wonder the livers are so retarded. Only gullible idiots would agree to that shit.

>>48831516
Every gen leader get either song or intro stream animation expense covered

>>48832476
>we`ll pay for everything
>we`ll also keep all the money made
well, at least you dont go out with a debt, i guess..

>>48829421
Its what they do

Debuts are just chuuni roleplaying

>>48830095
Masterpiece.

>>48831516
>It's the same fucking thing for Hololive
No? Cover covered IRyS and Bae's debuts expenses according to those two themselves, at the very least. Don't see any reason why they didn't do it for other members, too

>>48829357
that sucks

>>48829737
>resort to poorfag bait
The state of nijicn

>>48830396
They did not, catalog fag.

>>48829357
Imagine being a 3view niji and having to pay for your own stuff haha

>>48830859
Passable animation (that doesn't look like mspain)
runs roughly ~$7,800 for art, sound, music and around 2 minutes of animation from anyone worth their salt. High tier (none of the Niji stuff was production quality) runs in the $20,000-$50,000 range. Millie's debut ran her around $12k.

>>48829357
They're basically like entrepreurs opening a business like a restaurant under a franchise.

>>48848395
Some members of hololive like mori and ame were way too fucking poor to afford any of this shit. They definitely got covered. Guessing everyone else did too.

>>48829975
Niggochi

>>48830192
Other corps provide you tools to debut.....

>>48852044
>3 view in niji
>Still can afford to get a new house or move to an upscale area
>Can afford constant trips and to splurge on dumb shit
Haha..yeah, imagine having money, must suck.

>>48852630
And don't fir you for asinine reasons and lie about it

>>48852059
I just wanna play games and make new friends, not go into debt. Jesus

>>48852774
This is why you just go the Selen/Shu/Pomu/Rosemi route if you absolutely must have a debut MV.

>>48852774
No one's forcing you into debt. If you want to do a handcam for your debut, then no one is stopping you.

>>48830192
Sneedgardless of everything else, Nijisanji constantly courting drama is undermining their existence.

>>48852059
>millie took out a personal loan to cover her debut
Do banks really?

>>48853232
>but muh drama
Get fucked.

>>48852774
Most nijien members probably bring in on average 60k. She used to work in tech and lowest I’ve ever seen a it job is 45k. She said she made more than that as an indie and niji said she’ll earn more than both those jobs so minimum range is 60k. Holos minimum range is probably 80k. Most en members go into the red in their first month buying games, instruments, pc parts, or whatever. Then they get their first month paycheck that’s absolutely insane and they no longer have to worry.

tldr Just don’t spend too much money

>>48852963
Millie had to spend 5 figures on her debut which was basically that, but okay

>>48853232
Millie wasn't exactly a nobody in her PL.

>>48853296
Hello sister. Perhaps stop starting drama if you don't want it to reflect badly on you.

>>48852774
You can do that as an indie. I don't see any benefit to nijien if that's all you want.

>>48854058
You're a guaranteed minimum 3 view, with merch/voicepacks/etc thus making consistent money. You have to fight literal thousands of trash vtubers fighting for the same views while you're stuck never breaking past 2-5 viewers, rare cases of hitting 30+.

>>48853851
No one is forcing you. If want to make a complete shitpost for your debut like Shu's, go and do it. You want to put yourself into debt, you can do that too.

>>48854058
>You can do that as an indie. I don't see any benefit to nijien if that's all you want.
Seeing Xsoleil's latest voice packs and I can tell you how fucking wrong you are. It's only gonna be uphill for them.

>>48855610
How much did shu pay?

>>48836313
For curiosity purposes what's her new identity?

>>48856172
5000 yen. assets aren't cheap.

>>48829357
i really don't get this business model

>>48856172
I estimate about 10 million dollars for these assets.

>>48829357
Kek
Holo talents have to pay for their own debut as well

>>48857146
Source? Because from what I've heard the company gives them a budget that they can then add their own cash to.

>>48857275
The faggot doesnt have a source. it's literal NijiSEAnigger avg IQ brainrot

>>48857275
The difference is that it's deducted from their paycheck so they do not have to pay up front. I can't say where I got the info from anyway so if you don't believe me that is fair. It's the same for all the shit they make and why the quality of MVs etc varies so much.
>>48857609
Faggot got me

>>48829357
Good fucking god I didn't think my opinion of Niji and anykara could get any lower but here we are.

>>48857275
IIRC the only thing Holos have to pay for is whatever projects they want to do but are not obligated to do. Like most ori-songs and covers.
In fact, I heard Reine was forced into her current vtuber persona when she auditioned and wanted to be a cunny chuuba. Suggesting that Holo debuts are already pre-funded and pre-set by Cover.

>>48829515
Kek good one

>>48829509
Rosemi is a lot more pragmatic than she lets on.

>>48829357
No wonder they keep pumping gens out
It only costs them the model which are mostly ugly, all have shit rigging and don't even have dynamic props

>>48829357
I wonder if small corpos do this too?

>>48863346
She's always been like that
She learned how to do a KBD within a few weeks of playing Tekken
she was a noctis player though

>>48829357
unless you are debuting for idolcorp, you have to pay for your debut. wasn't this the case for everyone? the other corps are just there to help you find people to commission.

>>48863577
Its the equivalent of "saving money by making sure your employees are bottom-of-the-barrel with minimum wage"
Typical corpo profiteering.

>>48864557
Holos only pay out of pocket for projects. Songs, covers, videos.
You can also speak to whomever you want, all the way up to Yahoo, without fear of losing your job...

>>48864075
Makes financial sense for small corpos at least.
Niji, the most profitable corpo, does not have this excuse.

Actual black company shit bordering on MLM schemes. Make them pay large initial investment which means they have to stick with the company in order to pay back their debt. Also the company giving them a fraction of the revenue they make so that they have to stick with them longer.

>>48867772
Pretty sure it doesn't border black company territory anymore, they completely dived in headfirst no hesitation. The company realized they can do whatever they want to their staff and livers and the general fanbase will go out of their way to defend the company instead of the workers. They must feel invulnerable right now.

>>48867772
introducing the next wave...NijiPyramid

>>48861638
>Reine
>cunny chuuba
For real?? Lol. I'd like to see that.

>>48868633
Yeah, someone on /vtai/ said that Reine auditioned to be cunny but got her current onee-san model and pochi-mama.
Idk if its just a rrat. Not familiar with her. Ask her general.

>>48868769
Dunno, Reine as Anya and vice versa would've fit

So how much money for a debut are we talking about? Thousands? Tens of thousands?

>>48870303
I'd think at least a few thousand.
Maybe hundreds if the chuuba in question is being conservative.

>>48830975
>Millie
Nig you didn't watch her debut

>>48829357
I can't believe they have to pay for their debut themselves... Wtf.

It makes sense if you think about it.
A wave really is just a marketing package.
And unlike a gen in hololive, people don't really care about a wave in totality like they care about a gen of hololive. If a singular member of a wave has a bad debut, it only hurts themselves. If a singular member of a gen has a shitty debut, it affects the whole gen. Cover has much more incentive to invest money into making sure the gen meets a standard of quality than nijisanji does for a wave.

>>48836313
Roa hasn't reincarnated. What the fuck are you talking about?

Amazing how Zaion commissioned a 3rd party animator for her debut and get herself into red because she is retard who overpaid turn into "you need to pay Nijisanji to debut". They even make shit up about Roa and claim she was abandoned and reincarnated even when she still an Anycolor employees. Retard doesn't even know it was Anycolor themselves who paid all the legal fee in Roa court battle against Meiro and Narukami. Mind of a schizos really a wonder.

>>48832670
>rightfully suspended because she is retard who make absolutely retarded statement on Japanese national past time.
And who the fuck seriously defending Gunwhore? She is basically everything Holotrannies hates.
>>48832749
>outright talking shit about Pekora.
Of course he will be suspended for that.
>>48832832
>>48833458
Anycolor literally paid her legal fee in ongoing lawsuit against Narukami and Meiro. What the fuck are you trying to say?

>>48878282
There's one of them.
Learn moonrunes, you dumb EOP company dicksucker.
Or at least use DeepL for crying out loud. Shit isn't hard.
She did what Lulu should have done, but clearly she couldn't be bothered with that bullshit grey area of pretending to be horribly impacted to win cases. Japan is such a scummy country man.

>>48829868
I knew they had to pay but i figured they gave a token base amount to work off of enough for a generic template. Then if you wanted more you paid.

And still I can't remember a second of her debut, meanwhile the earlier waves and others like shu are iconic because of how soulful they are, this just goes to show that zaion saw this only as an investment and nothing else

>>48830192
What is even the point of working under a company if they don't help you do your job?

Zaion threads are always full of people going crazy over information that was already well known for years

>>48886453
theres honestly no excuse anymore if you actually wanted to learn nip youve had 6 years to get to at least N3 level

>>48886453
I'm asking you where is her reincarnation, schizo.

>>48829357
Now you know how/why their CEO is a billionaire kek
They barely give anything for their talents just so Tazumi can hoard it

when will the niggers learn that all this over-produced lore shit is garbage anyway. the golden standard should be that your debut should be at most the price of an endoscopy like salome's. anything more than that and you're a tryhard.

also lol at the fact this dumbass lost money in the end. now i get why she's trying to collect pity bucks from the minor e-celeb drama content mill

lol

>>48833437
>>48833618
This exactly, the lack of a clear line is what convoluted everything,
some people can say deez nuts jokes, some people don't.
some people can use PL accounts, some people don't
some people can contact management, some people don't (wtf aren't they supposed to be contacted?)
It all comes as consequences of ACCELERATE.
If you didn't push a new wave every fucking week, you'd have more capable managers, more chances to coordinate your talent and tard wrangle them if needed.
However now you have new talents that should be managed by more experienced Managers, instead since they are short-staffed, they got a new manager, a new manager + new talent should never ever happen its just a recipe for disaster.
Zaion was retarded? yes
was 2434 even more retarded? absolutely
Also, Niji playing favorites didn't help

Can I have a link or a full image of this or a qrd? I assume it's from Zaion, considering there's quite a lot of threads up about it.

>>48863346
She said that she got told not to commission anyone and to do everything herself for her debut and that's why she did it that way

>>48829357
You're missing the quote where they told her she didn't have to do all that

>>48835589
It's an isreali company so that PC had probably been paid for by your taxpayer money anyway.

>>48895010
>However now you have new talents that should be managed by more experienced Managers
I remember when Yorumi Rena discussing about Nijisanji and Hololives management, Rena was assigned with new manager because her old manager transferred to manage new waves. Rena teach her new manager lot of things and give him/her the rope. Meanwhile En is absolutely dumpster fire who have no idea what they are doing. This is what happened if you put crony hire and pajeets in charge.

>>48856835
shu more like jew
good on him and fuck niji management

>>48834651
Why Merry tho? As far as I know he's a pretty mediocre writer, might as well do it yourself.

>>48900401
They probably had a deal with him and his company.

>>48829357
starting to think HoloEN 3 might actually be worth it lol

>>48829357

>>48901690
kek

>>48901690
the zaion manifesto is the gift that keeps giving

>>48901690
Fucking KEK

>>48829421
true

Some people say a tuber is made outta liver
An avatar made outta pixels and bones
anime girls and rigging and bones
A mind that's a-weak and a voice that's strong
You debut, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
Hololive, don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to nijisanji
I was born one mornin' when the sun didn't shine
I picked up my mic and I walked to the comp
I loaded 16 streams of number nine games
And the straw manager said, "Well, you dont have permission"
You do 16 streams, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
Fishman, don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to nijisanji
I was born one mornin', it was drizzlin' rain
Deez and Nuts are my middle name
I was raised in the canebrake by an ol' mama lion
Can't no high toned woman make me walk the line
You do 16 streams, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
Yagoo, don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
If you see managment comin', better step aside
A lotta men didn't, a lotta men graduated
One fist of susan, the other of suspension
If the right one don't get you
Then the left one will
You do 16 streams, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
Vshoujo, don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to nijisanji
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRh0QiXyZSk

>>48835589
So why Riro plays on ancient laptop?

>>48833682
You do realize she's not signing NDA right? So she has right to say her piece
Also USA has toxic working environment laws that protect employees from getting bullied by their company. This is not an open and shut case. They need to sue her in her state and she already said she talked with her lawyer before releasing this statement.
Also she has a ton of evidence, from when she's still Zaion and also all kind of doxxing and even swatting targeted at her.

>>48834614
>Most of her streams were removed by managements, not her.
lol now nijinigs are victim blaming.
Yeah, kiss that corpo boots, they will surely acknowledge you one day.

>>48835356
No one watching Irys stream for her bombastic opening.
They watch her because they like her
You really measure money = popularity

>>48831516
I just love Nijinigs always immediately jumping into conclusion only for them getting corrected immediately. Also rent free lol

>>48829357
Wait a sec, millie got TWO animations in her debut !

Hope she doesn't spent a fortune goddamn

>>48899655
Pajeet hire actually far kinder and helping more.
I think American or European hire is far more risky

>>48901690
That's hilarious.
Also saved

>>48911237
Lmao. They are worst hire among cronyfags. Especially from India. They are legit stupid, will flood your company with Poojeet and they also bring caste shit into company.

>>48829786
>And you think this shit applies to everyone like that picture, OP?
Ver nor Aia have brought new Microphones and still sound like ass

>>48910671
>You do realize she's not signing NDA right? So she has right to say her piece
>They need to sue her in her state and she already said she talked with her lawyer before releasing this statement.

>>48911826
The original argument was their debuts was putting them "in the red" like Zaion, even though what their earning through superchats and voice packs says otherwise. What you're saying adds nothing.

>>48912393
Your argument is even shittier. They narrative is "do Livers really paid to debut?" The answer is no. Debut is free but what they do during debut is up to them. Do they offer support? Yes, they did in JP. What about EN? I have no idea.

>>48829515
True

>>48845451
This

>>48829357
That's insane, considering the likes of Nina and Scarle where pretty much broke and yet they had to go through that too?

>>48912073
Read the google docs document, not this one you lazy git

>>48855843
>Seeing Xsoleil's latest voice packs
what about it?

>>48833339
Fauna has a BF doesn't she? How is her melting over a youtuber any worse.

>>48914947
Did Nina and Scarle showed personal animation during their debut?