/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>48817349
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Vj88APlsr4J_4PTxqNb5zyUli13fXupzdRmEjTI-bhw/edit

the google drive in the twitlonger

FUCKING FINALLY IT'S FUCKING HAPPENING

>Zaion does not absolve herself of the mistakes she did make, and wishes to apologize to her community and those who were truly her friends behind the curtains, for letting them down in any way.
I assume this is going to be a struggle session.

lmao shotacon stuff is first. As if that was ever a problem when JP niji has fujoshitters making boy rape streams.

She apologized too much for things that were non issues. It's over for her.

3 threads about this and like 4 replies total across them all.
no one cares about this literally who
I dont even know which slur to call you because i dont even know which corpo this person is from

>>48817677
I completely forgot about that shit thrown at Zaion, fucking niji normies I swear to god

>>48817746
People are reading retard, this came out a minute ago.

Glad i stayed awake a bit longer to read this. I expect to see dramatubers cover this shit by the end of my shift tomorrow.

>>48817746
>drama dropped like 5 minutes ago
>the meat of the content is a fucking tome of menhera apologising
>uhh nobody replied that means nobody cares uhh uhh

what kind of fag is not attracted to Xingqiu

She fucking recieved a cease and desist didn't she? LMAO

>>48817349
nijisanji seems like an unprofessional company

>>48817735
Literally put her good light considered how dumb so many of allegations and strikes against her are

Man things are gonna get MESSY this weekend

>>48817746
How fast can you possibly read 22 pages of teenager drama?

>>48818015
I would hope so, but that will also kill all support of people who though she did nothing wrong.

This is the first time I see a vtuber drop a fucking manifesto

>She recognized in retrospect that ROM hacks are technically piracy
No they're fucking not.

>the false sponsor claim wasn't about Raid Shadows Legends, it was a fucking deez nuts joke

>>48817677
If your not in a clique, you are a Pedo.

BAHAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS

>>48818218
ONE MORE RRAT REJECTED

>>48818185
Yeah she screwed herself up for admitting to things that are not.

>20+ pages
I'm expecting civil discussion to begin one hour from now

>>48817349
>In December of 2022, NIJISANJI released a statement declaring their efforts against doxxing and harassment. Despite that announcement, NIJISANJI did not inform Zaion that it would be taking action against the spread of personal identifying information, defamatory misinformation, and daily harassment towards Zaion while she was suspended as an active liver.
Glad she's calling them out for that

>>48817746
Nice try nijiniggers

Holy shit they told all of EN not to play the wizard game and it was one of the reasons she got terminated lmao this fucking company sucks ass

SAYU LOVE

Huh, this is some inside baseball on Anycolor's hiring process. Interesting... though I can't imagine any sane person would be interested in applying for NijiEN so soon after all this lmao

>>48818327
Oh shit that's juicy.

>>48818268
This is just bizarre. NijiEN just wanted her gone it seem. Hex flashes dildos on stream and nothing happens but she makes a joke and its serious business?

>>48818364
post proof now kek

>>48818174
>tfw now fired vtubers will release manifestos
>we're gonna get stuff from Yuri next
LET'S GO

>>48818268
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>Nijisanji actually got fucking mad

>>48818447

>>48818268
Kek

>>48818495
nobody has ever thought of deez nutz as a fucking brand.

black company, holy shit

actual black company kek

Nijisanji black company
Anycolor black company

>>48818268
>>48818495
Nijisanji is a fucking joke, jesus christ

>>48818495
The only way this even affects Niji is if they had a preexisting brand deal with another nut company. They just wanted to find any excuse to fire this bitch.

THE QUEEN SPEAKS! Time to read

>>48818268
No wonder hololive stay winning.
Nijisanji is literally run by idiots.

Ok after reading through this it is basically
>I kept acting like an edgy indie and kept getting told to stop acting like that. So I said I would and then kept acting like an edgy indie. I can't believe they fired me.
Not saying either side is right or wrong here as it sounds like Niji has a bit too much bureaucratic bullshit even for a JP company, but damn she dumb.

>she is actually leaking DMs
Rest in peace NIJIEN

>>48818567
Tranny management in both Holo/niji holy shit

>didn't even help pay for the debut

lmao

>>48817349
I ain't reading allat

>>48818769
What the FUCK, kek

>>48817349
It's joever for nijisisters

>>48818613
I'm pretty sure it's a relatively new company, with the only reason it existing is because of the joke.

>>48817349
MY QUEEN

>Anycolor
>Chooses to be black

>>48818769
Niji literally puts you in debt. Fuck, she even said she made less in Niji compared to her old job. The hiring people NEVER disclosed and estimate of how much she would do.

>>48818769
Just like every company?

>>48818769
So this is why her model was way superior to the others?

>>48818769
That's literally the same as it is for hololive and all companies. You pay for all of that, retard

>>48818769
what the fuck does this company and their bum fuck retard managers actually do?

>>48817349
Fucking retard is gonna get sued by anycolor, her life as vtuber is over for good

Nijisanji caught making up dumb bullshit so they can fire Zaionchan.

Nijisanji is a pyramid scheme confirmed

>>48818769
>gives their talent no support for debut

This shit just keeps getting juicier!

>The Cats Organized Neatly stream that was done by Zaion had a running gag where she commissioned an artist to make her an asset of a bag of nuts labeled “Dee’s Nuts”. Many jokes were made over the stream including: “Oh boy, I really love Dee’s nuts,” “Yeah I’ve been supporting Dee’s Nuts for a long time now,” etc. and, in actuality, she was not sponsored by the pre-existing Dee’s Nuts brand that, was not known to her, existed when the asset was created.
fucking seriously?

>>48818844
TL;DR: Nijisanji is an actual black company, went full "japanese style" firing strategy, which the added bonus of full character assassination because they own the character.

Maybe this result in new law where companies will need to disclose PL upfront so they don't get to slander and libel their VAs without repercussions.

>>48818759
Nigga you didn’t read all that shut up

>>48818769
Ladies and gentlemen, behold the most profitable vtuber company

>>48818914
kek

wow this makes nijisanji look bad

>>48818985
>hololive
source, nijinigger-kun?

>>48818769
I just read this shit myself, fucking incredible.

>>48818993
sue her for what? She obviously never signed an NDA

>protect the brand
so how's that going

kek nijimerda

>>48818769
Now I have something to point to every time someone tells me I don't know what I'm talking about when I say "Joining a corpo is just paying someone to use their brand name."

>>48818986
apparently consult their own managers kek

>>48817746
Nijinigger damage control

>>48818759
t. non-reader

>>48817746
so true sister

>>48818567
Confirmation that Hogwarts Legacy was banned

>>48818731
NijisanjiEN don't drag my oshi into this shit.

>>48818268
>it wasnt about raid sahdowlegens
>but a dees nuts jokes
you have to be pulling my leg.

>>48818931
I bought 2 truck, company repaid me. It’s a simple process you basement dweller

>>48818769
I ask again: What the FUCK does anyone get from joining Nijisanji?

Black Company.

>>48818993
>her life as vtuber is over for good
Anon... her vtuber's life have dead for a long time.

>>48818985
It’s just thread watcher being retards, Scarle, Aster & Aia have literally mentioned talking about paying for their things on debut. Aia & Scarle mentioned regretting not going bigger with their investments.

>>48819067
They passed their expenses onto their talents... impressive.

>>48819080
You think holos dont pay for their own overlays and whatever they want to make? anon, thats the default

>>48818931
Every black company, yeah.

>>48819137
Typical japanese company,this probably the same for holoEN

>>48818765
EN was a mistake.

Stealth suspension confirmed
>nijiblack

>>48818769
>Niji made her pay for the assets and left her in the red

I really want to hear about all those retards that said that joining a company was a good idea because they would support you by "buying you assets and shit".

>>48818769
Lies all lies by that bitch!

>>48819275
Source, nijinigger-kun?

>WAAAH LET ME STREAM MY GENSHIN ACCOUNT
One game has never caused such brainrot.

>>48819137
>Black company
>revolving door hiring
>no innovations allowed
>Accelerate?

An actual black company

>>48819232
>I-it’s okay guys, other talent had to do it too

Good goy

>>48819304
the "manager who trained you won't stick around" I know for a fact isn't. but it makes sense with the whole "accelerate" thing, they probably need to hire managers all the time to keep up with the talents. it makes sense to keep a few old names for training and assign the new ones once activities start. But it does hurt the talents, it's undeniable.

Anycolor are a bunch of humorless Chink pandering bugmen. Id deport them all to China if I had the power.

What I found interesting is that management frequently covered up suspensions under the guise of talents going on extended breaks.
Makes me wonder if holo is similar at all.

>>48819275
Didn’t Kiara say she payed for one of her alts because it wasn’t company approved?

It's actually over for threadshitting nijisisters kek

>>48819360
the problem is everyone else could

>say "deez nuts"
>get terminated
Niggersanji

>>48819442
It doesn't make sense that Zaion was literally punished for contacting that manager asking questions because she felt that manager was more helpful and competent.

>>48819413
I’m saying it’s common knowledge

>>48817349
Anyone feel like translating this to Japanese?

>>48819471
I don't watch the girls, but one of the tempus boys got suspended fairly early on and they publicly announced it on the official holopro twitter account, so I don't think so.

>>48818985
>hololive
You don't hear Aloe spewing shit like that and she talked a lot about it. Stop making things up.

>>48818769
actual shit corp

>>48819360
She was EXPLICTLY given permission to do so, like other Niji streamers, but then management changed their minds and privated one of her most successful vods.

>>48819471
>thread about niji yab
>but guys, what about hololive?

>>48817349
Someone should save this shes def gonna get sued kek

>>48819442
Im talking about the "nod" part

>>48819559
yeah, absolutely, that's really fucked up. that should get a slap on the wrist at most, if they really don't want her doing that.

>>48819537
Welcome to being in a corporation. The rules may be written but they will bend and change, and sometimes seem like they don't exist, based on how far your nose is up your manager's ass.

No wonder nijiniggers are so uppity all the time. They need to damage control against their black company and shitty culture.

>>48817349
MODS STICKY THIS SHIT

YOU DID FOR VSHITSHOW

also more posts in >>48817393

>>48819559
>It doesn't make sense that Zaion was literally punished for contacting that manager asking questions because she felt that manager was more helpful and competent.

It's challenging the hierarchy, I promise you that makes employers seethe. "Why do you ask them? You're not respecting my orders"

>>48817677
>NIJISANJI also never brought this up as an issue throughout the course of her employment.
Making it very clear to Twitter that no, their best friend the Japanese corpo did not actually care about their moral scruples

>>48819680
what happened in vshojo, anyway? I just see people referncing it, but I missed the actual drama.

Now we must find other nijichinkers saying deez nuts jokes.

>>48819628
Does she live in Japan? Cuz if not the Jap fucks cant do fuck all to her.

>>48818769
>You'll make more than you're making now

>>48818327
Only for JP talents, western cali whores can get burned at the stake

>>48819761
3 people left in quick succession with some bridges being burned

>>48819137
>Managers have managers

>>48819612
No one genuinely cares about nijisanji outside of shitting on them

>>48819769
It's not the same because they didn't say they were sponsored by Deez Nuts, retard

Black company for real

>>48818268
HAHAHAHA
NIJISANJI IS TRASH

>>48819761
Not really any deep drama or anything from the Vshojo stuff. It's just that Vei and Silvervale decided not to renew their contracts and become indie vtubers. And then Nyanners did the same a few days later.
It was a big deal because they lost a lot of popular talents so quickly for some reason.

>>48819834
oh, but people are just speculating, then? nobody went public like this?
thanks for the info

>>48819608
Pretty sure only person in EN that uses her alt is Aia & it’s censored

>>48817349
The QRTs man are fucking hilarious do females really think this way? Female fans where a mistake

>>48818931
yes, just like every chinese company

>>48819789
This is sounds exactly like when those scam youtube partner networks promised more ad money if you signed your channel to them and they just took your money.

>>48819789
That line sounds like something out of a failed drama series kek

i thought black company was just a meme

>Dark company secrets leaked
>viewership plummets
>NijiEN graduations "accelerate"

SOON...

>>48817349
I know this was already confirmed but holy fucking shit I didn't know it was done so scummyly.

>>48819761
The TL;DR of it is that Vshojo doesn't do shit for it's contracted streamers, so none of them had any reason to stay in the company.

>>48819761
Three talents left the company in one week, they all joined the same talent agency right after. It’s assumed they took the bag

>>48819917
Silver did a stream vaguely talking about how unhappy she was with everything in Vshojo immediately after announcing that she was leaving.

>>48819917
almost everything happened behind the scenes, both sides implied that it got nasty between them
but no details were made public

very interesting look inside niji's inside operations

- niji confirmed to do stealth suspensions and talents confirmed to make up lies about why they're taking "breaks" during said stealth suspensions
- their interview process is messy (they might forget to email you the interview link, they do not tell you much about the company and just ask questions about you)
- they say talents make more than they would make as an indie streamer but they do not cover debut costs
- no pre-debut gen mingling to know each other better
- management might get selectively autistic about things you can or cant do and managers you can or cant speak with seemingly with no rhyme or reason
- company policies seem to change depending on which talent they apply to

>>48818769
If you actually watched other livers you'd know Rosemi mentioned this numerous times, which is why Selen and Petra paid for stuff for their debuts and Rosemi did everything herself (she's jewish)

>>48819922
They're minors and neurodivergent mostly. They'll cry at the most mundane shit.

>>48818769
No fucking way

>>48819846
That's basic chain-in-command shit, especially if her manager is a 2-week old shitter and needs to be supervised

>>48817349
Jesas

>>48818268
lol
>>48818769
interesting how many more (You)s this got when hololive does the same shit. nobody pays for your streaming assets, it comes out of your pocket or from your signing bonus, if there is one

>>48820014
>they all joined the same talent agency right after.
If you're talking about Mythic talent, this isn't true
Vei was already part of it for months (before she left Vshojo). Nyanners joined a few days after leaving. But Silver hasn't joined it (at least for now)

*blocks your path*

>>48817937
>>48817828
>>48818038
>>48818348
>>48819140
>>48819171
Please be understanding, he isn't that bright

>>48819201
debt

>>48819761
Silvervale left because of the hostility from Froot and and her supporters (implied to be Ironmouse). Nyanners and Vei left because Asmongold offered them more money.

>>48819987
Nigger company

>>48820106
source: this was revealed to me in a dream

>>48820106
>MUST MENTION HOLOLIVE NO MATTER WHAT REEEEE
Fuck off already. It's been established the both of these companies have similar policies and structures. Any news of them being black companies is not surprising.

I feel bad for Haku

>>48820220
Asmongold is involved with vtubers? Man, I missed a lot of shit.

>>48820033
>both sides implied that it got nasty between them
It was only really silvervale that implied something bad happened. Vshojo themselves obviously wouldn't say something went wrong, and as far as I know veibae and nyanners said their decisions were purely financial/business.
I think it's a case of shitty contracts being made by vshojo since kson recently said after those 3 left vshojo decided to improve her contract so it looks like they're getting more serious on that front.

>>48820128
Camila, another Mythic talent, already leaked Silvervale is joining, but she deleted the VOD. Vei is also dating one of the founders of Mythic

>>48818931
i once expensed mdma. nobody gives a shit in consulting.

>>48820106
Source? And it sounds like you're saying they pay stuff after debut, which is not what anyone's arguing. They're arguing about basically being left alone for your debut.

>>48818291
>>48819192
>>48818495
Incredible

>>48820220
>Silvervale left because of the hostility from Froot and and her supporters (implied to be Ironmouse).
She did not say anything like this at all lol. She did not even mention Froot or hogwarts shit at all. Idk why retards keep claiming this when there's no evidence for it.
I'm pretty sure she even said she was planning to leave even before that stuff happened.

>>48820106
>interesting how many more (You)s this got when hololive does the same shit. nobody pays for your streaming assets, it comes out of your pocket or from your signing bonus, if there is one

That's true, Holo is just as scummy. I remember how they made marine pay for her music videos out of pocket.

I have 0 respect for corporate overlords.

>>48819761
3 at the same time because they wouldn't renew their contract.

>>48820133
AAAAAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE MUH SPONSORS

>>48820040
>- they say talents make more than they would make as an indie streamer but they do not cover debut costs
This is known for years already and its the default. Thats up to them with how they want to debut, thats why in JP most debuts are very simple

>>48820220
no she didn't, she didn't say about froot at all
>>48820343
yeah, asmon apparently even just did a collab with nyanners, silvervale, and vei last night

>>48820106

>>48820457
It wasn't explicitly Froot but she did say that management does jack for you, which, considering what she went through, they really should have.

>>48820040
Yeah, everyone's talking about (rightfully) the other stupid shit but the inside look into the process is fascinating.

>>48818931
phase connect will never do something like this

Read: you only get our support if you behave otherwise get fucked.

>>48820106
>nobody pays for your streaming assets
Idol corp did

>nijifags trying to derail the thread with vshojo
the damage control is real

holy fuck nijisanji is even more pathetic behind the scenes than I thought

>>48820208
>debt
>bullying
>stress
>homework
>
Nijisanji it's the ultimate college experience

>>48820381
>Vei is also dating one of the founders of Mythic
I'm assuming you're talking about Sodapoppin. That's Vei's bf but he isn't a founder of Mythic. He's just another talent like she is. I think you're confusing him with Asmongold, who is one of the founders

She sounds like such a nice submissive girl that just insta apologizes, fucking shithead managers still burnt her at the stake

>>48820594
Fishman is unironically Phase's biggest asset lol

>>48818268

>>48820658
He got her mixed up with Silver, who's -rumored- to be dating Assmanghoul.

>>48820588
Not saying I disagree that they should have done more but it doesn't really make sense to blame Froot when Silver herself didn't blame her at all. She shittalked Ironmouse for some reason but not Froot lol

>>48817746
This you?

>>48820528
That's for the best. It's just a bit shitty of them to not help even on debut, what happens if they hire some poor fucks like they used to back in the day? There's a standard of debut these days they must live up to, but not everyone will be able to afford it.
But for later content, it's best if the talent is funding and controlling every aspect of its production. Or do you think the company would hire Kohei Tanaka and pay for a fully animated MV for Marine if all music production was company-funded? She would get some shitty ass songs with static images MVs. The fact that she didn't want to settle for this is the reason why she's big enough to have her song played at convenience stores in Japan these days.

>>48820343
His new talent agency has dozens of popular twitch vtubers signed to it, and he just collabed with all three of them yesterday (along with Lacari and Nyan and Vei's boyfriends).

>>48820623
idk why you'd try for niji at this point. even that woman led brothel corp is probably better

>>48820528
>I remember how they made marine pay for her music videos out of pocket.
I'm sorry gaijin-kun but all our money went into Holoearth and HolostarsEN gen 1, 2 and soon 3
Preasu understando

>>48818931
IdolEN pay for debut's expenses

>nijisanji will force you to lie to your fans

>>48818268
Come join the Nijisanji family! Jokes not allowed!

>>48820343
Didn't Asmond used to rant about how only losers watch vtubers and they only watch for the anime titties?
Gee how quickly money changes things.

>>48817746
deez nuts LEMAO

>Management clapped her for "copyright infringement" because she played a genmate's cover on her stream
Ain't no fucking way
Off to a great start with this doc

>>48820875
Jesus christ what the hell is niji doing?
>>48820567
>asmon apparently even just did a collab with nyanners, silvervale, and vei last night
Lmao wtf? Never thought I'd see the day Asmon collabs with chuubas like pink cat

>whataboutism
don't think we can't see you trying to derail retard. Zaion is right

Hold on. What perk is there again in joining niji? They don't help you out, they restrict you, they bow down to trannies and takes your money.

>>48820907
Your talking about a dude that killed his mom and doesn’t change even after that. Of course he would grift this shit

>managers told her to lie about why the genshin vod was privated
LMFAO this is worse than any rrat a schizo can come up with. better save this doc cause they're gonna come after her hard

The whole Genshin mixup is wild. And getting suspended for dm'ing your manager... What the hell? Fucking Niji, man.

>>48817349
People who can read this and still hate her have no soul. What a nightmare.

>>48820658
I mean, Sodapoppin is part-owner of OTK, along with Asmongold, it’s safe to say he’s pretty powerful in Mythic

>>48817349
This company reminds me of those old Youtube networks with fucked up contracts that ruined channels
They are an actual publicly traded scam

>>48820907
There is a non-zero chance Asmon saw Silvervale's model and did a 180 on his opinion since for some reason he's become oddly close to her now kek

>>48820890
I think a franchising comparison would be more apt at this point

>they gave their brand new wave a 2 week old manager
Jesus what the fuck is Nijisanji doing?

>>48821045
Somebody catbox it or mega or something
Because of "too much traffic" its not letting me save it on Brave

>>48819559
Oh but it does, this is a japanese company, gotta follow the hierarchy and bureaucracy.

>>48820974
https://youtu.be/K2hg1IBYrgE

>>48821060
I imagine he has some influence but technically that agency is separate from OTK so it could just be a separate business venture that Asmon was interested in for himself

>>48817746
Dude. We're reading 24 fucking pages. Sister we will be feasting on this drama for the next month. Each point here could be a whole thread

Its fucking over NIJI is such a black company holy fuck

>>48819846
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>>48819304
Worse than wactor or tsunderia management for mangers?

>>48821028
you'll be paid in exposure lol

>>48821257
Tsunderia's management just didn't do anything at all. Niji's management sounds actively hampering. So yeah worse.

>>48821188
Damn that's wild. Never thought I'd see the day he'd play with vtubers lol

>>48818268
I actually was in tears laughing at this. I can't believe THIS was one of the things. Japanese autism is unmatched.

>Niji suspended her and killed her cat.
I will never forgive this Black Company. RIP Haku the realest nigga.

Bros she deserved better.

>>48821218
so true sister

>>48821257
>wactor
Nah, nothing is worse than doxxing your own talent
Nijisanji is like keeping your car stuck in Gear 1 to hamper growth
Wactor is putting ketchup in the engine

>>48821128
https://mega.nz/file/lbohwbia#m1KzaBE3f7boJ_cIpuXbWNoDlSnaBWUmSudiPh79XDY

>>48817349
I wouldn't wish my worst enemy to be in Niji

>>48820287
>why did you mention hololive on the holoboard in a tribalfag thread
>>48820414
they don't pay for that kind of stuff after debut either. hololive pays for certain company events, the talents basically negotiate a budget with management. there's several clips of people talking about it but i'm too lazy to look them up. they also pay for models occasionally as well obviously
>>48820606
that's nice, they're in a very small minority

stealth suspension is no longer a rrat, and they fired Gundou or close to it.

Be honest.
Do you think Niji can recover from this?

>>48818769
Join Nijisanji. Enter financial ruin. Meanwhile Idol Corp pay for everything. Sayu should join Idol just to get her money back

We need to get Niji fucking shut down somehow. You reckon Chink spies have infested the place? You think we could get them on espionage charges if we can find them?

>>48821509
This confirms our suspicions at least.

>>48821533
yeah

>>48821413
Thanks

>>48818769
>Nijisanji is literally a MLM

>>48821109
You just don't understand. ACCELERATE.
I mean, you could tell that Niji is incredibly light on managers and help in general, but having a newbie manage your brand new product is retarded. Considering how much money they put into their talents and how expendable they consider just about every member is, I guess I shouldn't be surprised though.

>>48821533
Niji couldn't even recover from being Niji

>>48821533
In general? Yes
Most people usually go "WHO?" in nijisanji when some yab happens
And they'll just accelerate, coupled with time healing all wounds, people will forget.

But this is ammo for making fun of nijisanji on /vt/ for at least until sayu yabs as an indie

>>48818268
Is this an elaborate joke. The deez nuts joke have been going on for a while with HoloEN but somehow its wrong when NijiEN does it?

Incoming lawsuit

>>48821533
sadly yes, Riku will just buy another yacht and fuck off

>>48820287
Hololive's suspensions, breaks, and terminations are suspensions, breaks, and terminations, not Niji's stealth suspensions.

>suspended for DMing a manager over new years holiday
Damn what a black company

So they keep an official list of yabs on all talents and they can use it whenever to get you fucked if needed.

>>48821533
The Japs dont care if the white man hates them and the Jap government is fatally compromised by corporate shills.

>>48821607
that explains the 100+ "talents"

>>48821622
>considering how much money they put into their talents

That's the thing, anon. They don't!

>>48818769
PAY
FOR
RIKU'S
YACHT

>>48821533
Niji's fanbase is unironic twitards who will convince themselves everything she said is a lie and Niji can do no wrong. This won't even cause a hiccup.

>>48818985
I don't think it is. It's certainly not for Idol Corp

>>48821692
Wonder if they get a ref bonus to incentivize the clique shit, kek

>>48820605
Lulu proves that getting that support might also be worse than if you just fought the doxxers yourself.

>>48821653
Yeah, stuff like this is actually what Anycolor meant when they said they were going to step up to end harassment and defamation.

>>48821465
>im too lazy
Sure, I'm not gonna believe anything you say if you're too lazy to provide proof, then. And specifically, about them not receiving aid for their debut streams.

>>48821691
It's probably going to be a good shitstorm once this gets into Japanese Hololive fans' hands.

>>48821128
https://files.catbox.moe/sv7eoh.txt
Catbox just in case nijifags report the mega, images included

>>48817349
>>48817429
tldr

Uhh, this just makes Holo management look like saints while Niji managers look like clowns.

>>48817349
tl;dr?
I'm only at 'I'm not sexually attracted to shotas' part and already feel betrayed. The most important question, does she overall seem alright? is she coming to streaming?

>>48821796
Holo keeps winning by doing fucking nothing and its the funniest fucking thing ever

>>48821781
Pls no I have porn saved on that account

>>48821028
the power for people blindly liking something and willing to give you money because they love the brand

>>48821622
What money? Niji only gives the password to their account, all money basically confirmed to come out of the member pockets when it comes to their tech.
The fucking Jew small corpo for example provide 300% more monetary support than Nijisanji, whats the fucking point in join that shit company over the Jews? (Real fucking question)

>>48821533
Nijifans are corpo boot licker. They won't give a shit.

>>48821819
No. She's suffering and its not stated if she's going back to streaming.

I can understand why she wouldn't include it in this statement, but I'm disappointed it doesn't include call outs on the wigger and fish whore and other backstabbers beyond that one passing line.

>>48821533
This might do nothing to Nijisanji as a company but it might influence future auditions. People who aren't that desperate for the corpo "support" will probably think very hard before even considering NijiEN as an option.

>>48818769
The CEO of Nijisanji is a billionaire by the way

>>48819201
"exposure"

>>48821028
They give you a model and some initial promotion/exposure. Maybe eventually you get a 3d and some outfits.
If you're a desperate 2view with no hopes for growth it could be worth it, but I don't think there's a good reason if you've already found some measure of success as an indie.

>>48821796
I now remember when Pekora was saying how she liked talking to her managers and the niji guests were super awkward about it.

>>48821889
how the ever living fuck are the jews less stingy with their money than the fucking japanese company wtf is this black ass company

so as a non niji fan is this all I have to remember
>she got punished for pretending to be sponsored by deez nuts
>shadow suspensions are actually real
>she got punished for saying she had permissions for a game she did have permissions for
>she got punished for saying a game wasnt user friendly
>her entire gen was being managed by one guy who had only been working there for 2 weeks
>she got punished for saying she used to play rom hacks
>she got punished for saying "zionist"

>>48818985
What about kawaii?

If the manager's manager had a manager this could've been avoided

>>48817746
Bitch, there’s a google doc to read through first.

>>48821533
Depends.

As a whole, probably yes. It'll be true when no one translated her manifesto into JP.
For NijiEN? No. Despite what you may think about it, people are already done with NijiEN for countless dramas. Now, it's only Hololive (yes, even HoloEN) and /lig/gers on Twitch that thriving as of now.

Reading this, if this is completely real, Nijisanji would be finally confirmed to be a black company

Fuck Nijisanji

>>48821704
That's what I meant. They apparently spend even less than I thought they did, so they're more than happy to cut someone loose or just suspend them indefinitely since it's not like Niji is losing any money.

>>48821939
She did mention relationships turning sour in the last few weeks.

>>48822001
and to top it all off they're going to ruin her life by suing her into next year for posting this

>>48817349
The end of the doc...

>BTW MY CAT IS DEAD LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>48818218

>>48819231
But she is being reborn

>>48821686
that's pretty typical HR bullshit most big companies do.
still scummy, but it's expected.

>>48822097
>finally

>>48817984
Unfortunately professional doesn’t mean competent

>>48818268
This has to be underhanded malice because I refuse to believe it's tone deaf ignorance. Goddamn. After this, people are going to be holding deez nutz over Anycolor's head for a long time. They won't hear the end of it. Can't wait for them to try to ban it on streams.

LEGAL ANONS FUCKING EXPLAIN THIS SHIT
ITS ONLY POINT ONE AND IM MAD
HOW THE FUCK IS A COMPANY OWNED SONG (remember, cover owns everything the talent does), BEING PLAYED BY ANOTHER COMPANY OWNED STREAMER, ANY VIOLATION OF COPYRIGHT WHATSO-FUCKING EVER

>nijiniggers are ramping up the inclusion of homoniggers on a holo game to dunk on holochads
>then this happens
God truly is a holofag

>>48822001
>Punished for DMing a manager over New Year's asking for help 2 weeks into her debut.

Forgot one

>>48822288
>Cover
Color
But same question kek

>>48821533
It wont affect the other streamers at all. Niji will look for an opportunity to save face tho

>>48818931
Any company with a decent contract will happily cover your business expenses when they are this direct. My company doesn't even ask for hard copies, I just explain the expense and give them the receipts and they send their worth over my next paycheck.

>>48822123
still fucking wild to me that the only motherfucker in that shithole company that stood up for her was Ren. Guy's got a good heart.

THEY KILLED HER FUCKING CAT

>>48819693
I actually think this is the reason she got shitcanned. I think she pissed off her middle manager and they decided to be a dick about everything they could until she was gone because they feared she was a risk to their own career by how much she exposed their incompetence

>>48822288
it was a cover song, not an original.
they had license to use the song to make and upload a cover and music video, not to do whatever the fuck they want with the cover.
they did not have full rights to the song.

>>48822228
it was obvious yes but we didnt had something to prove this completely, until now

>>48822288
She earns money from playing said song on stream which is basically illegal because the rightful owners of said song is the creator AND the company. Since she's earning from playing the song on the background that is not hers, it is basically a crime.

>>48822288
Playing the song on stream could be construed as "publicly broadcasting" the song, which Anycolor would likely not have permission to do.
No one would care or even try to sue for that kind of thing, but Japan is seriously autistic about that kind of thing.

>>48822288
They only had perms for the cover video itself, not for anyone else to play it
I guess, I don't fucking know

>>48818145
Na, this pisses off the people that know she did nothing wrong. Pissed off at Niji and the ones that threw her under the bus

>Linking the fucking ragtag archive in her google doc
Niji is going to copyright that archive to hell now aren't they?

>>48818268
hahahahahah

>>48822288
I'm not a legalfag but there's been issues with this for other JP vtuber agencies (not just Anycolor/Cover) before over the years, and I think it also has to do with Youtube being retarded as well

>>48820414
why do you think debuts vary in quality so drastically and some people have a whole orisong ready to go, and some of them have full MVs? obviously there's no hard confirm about this but we know the talents have to pay for everything else and get literally 0 tech support (the single most important part of a successful debut) so i don't know why you would ever assume cover paid for any stream assets for them

>>48819917
The worse that actually came out was from Silvervale's first stream as an indie where she took some shots at her former "friends" but nothing really damaging to the company or anyone's reputation.

Sayu if you're reading this I really hope you go back to streaming eventually. The short time we had with Zaion was fun as fuck, and I regret that I didn't know about you before Niji.

>>48817349
The list still mostly sounds like bullshit and if the context for the more serious sounding ones is true then it's almost all bullshit too.

is this all it really takes to get kicked out of a JP company or was she just disliked?

Yawn. Bitch is desperate for relevancy. No one's gonna care about any of this in a few days.

>>48822085
While HoloEN are still surviving for now they've still kind of stagnated. Or even declined by a bit really. Overtime I think the EN scene is probably gonna become largely dominated by independent vtubers.

It's not looking good, nijizhangxisters...

>>48822589
Let’s goo sister! You tell her queen! YASSSSSS

>>48822589
So true sister

>>48819033
No, more than likely she is skirting the raid shadow legends and beverage sponsorships she kept saying she had (jokingly) and is aiming for the most outlandish one to downplay it

>>48818291
BUT ONE MORE RRAT CONFIRMED
breaks=stealth suspensions.

>>48822589
Don't you have somewhere to be Kyo

So this is what happens when you enter a workplace and get managed by a retarded 2-week hire and people who hate you, and asking your another manager's help became grounds for punishment.

This will probably resonate with people who end up under antagonistic bosses. The lots we draw in life.

>>48822589
#Cut4Hex

Imagine the vindication

>>48822562
Likely didn't want to deal with the situation of Content ID flagging the stream.

Sounds like a crappy job, but also sounds like she was expecting her boss to be her therapist/friend

>>48822589
Kill yourself Kyo

>>48821901
This

>Debut Week 2: Reaching out for help in DMs to Managers and being suspended for it.
>At this point I had messed up in several ways, including playing my genmate’s cover without realizing I couldn’t, showing a stranger’s face in a Twitter post on my stream by accident, etc. I was having a hard time not messing up, and I felt horrible about it. I suffer from clinical depression, and have been going a little while without meds at this point. At this point, I felt incredibly trapped, I felt like I couldn’t fit in, and my content wasn’t welcome (all my hard-work on gacha games from the perspective of an experienced/dedicated player); I felt like I was a failure.
>So I reached out to the two people who had onboarded us at the start. They were not our direct managers, but they were people who I trusted and felt comfortable with. I DMed them stating how bad I felt that I kept making mistakes, that I didn’t know what to do (in order to continue being creative but not infringing on one rule or another). I DMed them saying I was sad, asking if there was anything that could be done about my Genshin account, and saying that overall I just felt uncomfortable.
>And one of them responded. The person who trained us was someone I loved a lot, and it seemed like everyone did. She was kind enough to have a voice call with me, and talk through my feelings and issues, and even offered to try to fight for the Genshin account issue. That was enough for me. I knew that it was a difficult thing with a company that big, and I didn’t have any expectations past her just trying. I was incredibly grateful that I just had someone in the staff that I could speak to.
>But we would never speak like that again. In a call between my manager and their manager, I was told of my New Years suspension, and that DMing a manager was one of the reasons I was being suspended. I felt hurt and shocked; even my genmates had said they’d DMed managers before. I hadn’t said anything that would hurt anyone or was a secret. But that was that.

This bit feels so fucking surreal but it matches up with the time line perfectly. I already was falling out of NijiEN for a while but this just seals the deal.

>>48821971
Oh yeah she did say that. Fucking hell what is Niji?
A lot of Holos talk about their manager as well and even sometimes outright teasing them.

>>48818268
This is Niji or her former manager making bullshit up to justify termination. I’ve been on the receiving end of retarded shit like this before. If your boss wants you gone, they’ll find a way to make you gone.

>>48822589
Care about sayu? Probably not. Care about shit like Deez nuts. getting in trouble for contacting a more competent manager and among others? Abso-fucking-lutely

>>48822535
yep, probably already doing so

>>48822535
Yes.
Say bye bye to it

>>48821770
don't care, you have the information, feed yourself or remain willfully ignorant, doesn't make a difference to me

>>48822572
I'm not assuming anything, I'm literally asking for any current or ex Holo member talking about them not receiving support for their debut. I had never assumed anything about Niji until now that we have someone saying they don't.

>>48822753
gundou...

>>48822615
every time a corpo gets disappeared it devalues the entire corpo scene. Talents have to see that they will not be credited for their work or build anything lasting, and outsiders think the well is poisoned and stay away.
Even when someone departs on good terms it is not like the graduation creates value. How much value is coco bringing to hololive? They should have let her buy it out.

>>48822589
>No one's gonna care about any of this in a few days.
You're right, I'm no one and I'm still gonna care about this in a few days.
already canceled my niji memberships and unsubbed a couple months ago because of anycolor's shenanigans

>>48822884
This is absolutely the reason she was fired by the way. Everything else was just an excuse.

>>48821692
The secret of "accelerate" finally revealed! You can debut as many talents as you like if you make them all pay for their expenses!!!

>>48820811
Don't look over in that thread anon...
You'd be in for a rude awakening if you looked at the thread history lately.

>The manager they assigned to manage our whole generation of 6, was someone who was a 2 week old hire

Wait wait wait.
ONE MANAGER FOR THE WHOLE GEN.
What the fuck.
Even the smaller corps have at least one per person.

>>48818397
Do not doubt the lengths a 2view will go to to gain viewership

>>48822615
The EN scene already is dominated by independent vtubers. Probably because the bar for entry has been drastically lowered as there are plenty of artists and riggers compared to 2019/2020s and before.

>>48822884
She violated the nip hierarchy autism and got canned for it, nothing else

>>48822783
So what you're saying is Sayu Okami is the Stone Cold Steve Austin of vtubers?

>>48822535
nooooooooooo.....

>>48818397
Any wagie would still kill for it though. It's better than getting berated being at in customer service.

>>48821533
They'll fall from low 4 views to low 4 views

>>48823122
Why did you have to bring that up anon, I came here to escape that shit. I've been fucking miserable about it for the past few days.

>>48822001
>she got punished for saying "zionist"
No, she got punished for saying she probably shouldn't use that word as her fanbase name when a viewer suggested it.

>>48823131
>Even the smaller corps have at least one per person.
no that's pretty rare. I don't think even holo has dedicated managers for every single talent

>>48818985
I seriously doubt IRyS somehow paid for her debut song MV

>>48822274
They wanted her gone and used every excuse they could to make it happen

Honestly the biggest loss of all is that her model was sex and now it's shelved forever

>>48822893
a scam to throw as much people as they can into streaming with zero support and make money off the successfull ones.
Nijisanji is literly the worst type of an uncaring corporation hellhole, mixed with jp autism rules and pettiness.

God the people who said that riku is looking to sell the company one day and leave it to collapse are 100% right.
I loved watching nijien for almost 2 years now, but this company is shit.

>>48819980
FINALLY FUCK THOSE NIJINIGGERS BACKSTABBING FAGGOTS ESPECIALLY KYO AND ENNA

>>48818931
Both Phase Connect and Idol Corp pay for the model and some of the assets
In fact, I'd expect many of the other small corpos to do so also

>DM a manager
>get suspended

??????

>>48823365
I'm genuinely sorry anon I was reading down the thread and saw that post and wanted to respond. I hope the best for you. No one deserves that.happening to them. Best of luck out there with your new oshi.

>>48823383
>no that's pretty rare. I don't think even holo has dedicated managers for every single talent
Even so, managers have to do a shitload of work. Spreading all the attention span and resources between 6 people is no shit, a recipe for failure.

Indies can hire their own exclusive manager like Shylily, jesus niji is so fucking incompetent.

>>48822935
also reads as: i made it up

>>48822274
If a manager wants you gone, they will put everything you do under a microscope and use every technicality of the rules to justify why you should be fired. Zaion kissed off her retarded brand new manager by going to her old manager and from that point on he probably had it out for her. The 1.5 week suspension was probably all to massage his ego

Can I blame women for this? Like female managers or something? I like blaming women for stuff

>>48823206
Also probably doesn't help that Cover doesn't seem to care about doing EN3 and instead decided to push males that no one wants to watch kek

>>48823131
This 100% lines up with Anykara's MO.
https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/news/29-lmr7-o1
>Meetings with the Livers and administrative work take up most of the day. Occasionally, we watch the stream of the Livers we are assigned to.
There are no regular office hours. The workday ends with those who have finished what they need to do.

Y.F.:
>You may be concerned: “If I were in charge of an overseas Liver, I would have to respond to emergencies even after business hours because of the time difference”. However, that concern is unfounded. Although we inevitably get busy during events and special streams, we try to create a comfortable working environment as much as possible.

S.O.:
>Although the workload is somewhat heavy since one manager is in charge of multiple Livers, I have the impression that everyone is coordinating their work well. As a leader of managers, I am constantly working to improve the workload for this assignment.

Not only are they stupid but they're malicious.

>>48823442
>God the people who said that riku is looking to sell the company one day and leave it to collapse are 100% right.
>I loved watching nijien for almost 2 years now, but this company is shit.
I didn't want to believe it either, but after they shuttered Yumenografia, their virtual hostess thing before they went public, the company has gotten worse and worse to where they don't even hide their shitiness anymore. Calling it a pyramid scheme is mean because technically it isnt one, but it certainly mirrors a lot of aspects. If you're at the top you'll do well, and if you aren't then you're fucked.

>>48823549
This happens in companies all the time, but specially in Japanese ones
>"Why didn't you do as I told? Why are you asking them?"
>"So you don't respect my authority huh... I see"

>>48823528
>For the model
Every company pays for the model, imagine if they didn't, lmao

>>48823582
>niji is so fucking incompetent
no nijisanji is not imcopetent but malicious and they do it just to save money

>>48823582
>incompetent
it's by design to cut spending, anon. Do you think those managers dont need to get paid?

>>48822906
I have witnessed such things two. Even two managers colluding to get rid of someone with drummed up reasons that weren't problems before. Middle management can be a vile cancer, especially for entry level jobs and ones who get hired from outside the company.

>>48820811
qrd? The heck is a brothel corp?

>>48823748
>Every company pays for the model, imagine if they didn't, lmao

That cannot ever go wrong....

>>48823646
She literally had a female manager, so yes, yes you can

ZAION GASLIT ME

>>48823820
I thought they were talking about Vshojo until they said new oshis, I think it’s about EIEN

>>48823820
Eien hired a literal camgirl that then got angry her camgirl activities were restricted by her vtuber contract, so she quit.

>>48823549
>go off anti-depressants to cover debut costs for employer
>end up in debt
>call a manager to talk about your grievances and ask if you can use your accounts from your past life because you're fucking broke covering all their expenses
>fired for it as your cat dies and you're forced to be alone and not contact past life friends for support
>entire company, bar the old one with horns, punches down at you after
This shit is inhuman. I love a few talents from niji jp but I'm done with en.

is finana mentioned in this since she claimed to be gaslit?

>>48823977
The best thing about it is that Finana and the other retards cannot reply back, since it's against company policy.

>>48823665
That's actually on point with Yagoo. In his most recent interview he wanted to do a streaming service just for Hololive. In otherwords he wants to replace Youtube and have all the Holos stream from there.

>>48823131
Phase connect has 2 managers
Fishman himself
And a girl manager when pippa, tenma, and lumi all bitched at how shit fishman was at management and how he keeps playing league instead of managing

>>48817349
the counter offensive begins

>>48823977
nijien "livers" are snakes in a snake company trying to save their own skin to look good for managment that doesn't give a shit about them.

>>48821533
Recover? This won't even affect them
/vt/ will never forget this, however

>>48823977
Its not like I even watched Finana for months, but with how she laughed on April fools about how she "gaslit" her fans after apparently being "gaslit" herself, yeah the branch is fucked. Its not worth staying as a viewer or supporter, its all damaged from top to bottom.

>>48824147
ANTISEMITE OF THE WEEK

>>48824041
No, she did not call out any other talents besides one passing line about her supposed friends turning on her.

>>48824092
Which is the most retarded idea ever kek

>>48824108
According to Tenma, Fishman doesn't listen to sad girl problems and only business related problems, saying the sad girl problems are wasting his time.

>>48819789
Holy mother of black company

>>48823977
next blowjob asmr when

>>48824092
>In his most recent interview he wanted to do a streaming service just for Hololive. In otherwords he wants to replace Youtube and have all the Holos stream from there.

It's big brain honestly. You can pocket the 30% superchat revenue that YT takes, not to mention ad revenue and less expense on managing since you don't have to worry about youtube strikes.

>>48820047
>Petra paid for stuff
so that's why she didn't have a proper screen

>>48824147
>It took her almost 3 months to drum this up
Yea this is the beginning, end, and only counter attack she'll muster
Wish Niji could bring back talent though, just to see if she would

>>48824108
They hired more recently

>Zaion being given a script to cover up management fuck ups and save brand face for her suspension
So when talents inevitably speak out against Zaion's side, how would we know theyre not just being told what to say to defend the nijisanji brand

I have a serious answer
Does she have an archive of her previous streams? I mean Zaion's. She wasn't that big and I'm afraid that nobody gave a fuck about her.

>>48824294
You cannot ever expect honesty from a company vtuber.

>>48824235
based, the only advice you should give to a menhera is "take your meds"

>>48819789
Niji just seems like a fucking MLM, lure in talents and force them to cover all costs, then leave then to sink or swim lol

>>48824235
based fish, kinda funny how vtubers need someone to tardwrangle them so they feel better

>>48823549
She DM'd a manager that was not the one assigned to her. Likely the company didn't like that cause she was "jumping up" the established chain of command.

>>48824235
> saying the sad girl problems are wasting his time.
desu, based
there's nothing you can really say to make the sad girl happier during a menhera episode , only staying neutral or digging a deeper hole for yourself

>>48824273
You would have to be insanely retarded to post this without talking to your lawyer first and thats probably what she did

>>48823582
>Indies can hire their own exclusive manager like Shylily
There is no reason to join a corpo at this point if you're an indie with a decent following. It's telling how Shylily gassed up the benefits of joining Mythic talent. And then recently 2 of the 3 ex-VShojos just decided to join Mythic talent as well after leaving their org.
You can definitely find/negotiate a good management deal for yourself as a popular indie.

>>48822884
What happens when your bitchass manager gets his ego hurt because you didn’t do everything through him. Probably had it out for her from then on and once your boss wants you gone, they’ll find an excuse.

>>48824273
unless niji responds, maybe she would leak other shit that she's been holding back

Well, it's a good thing the few Nijis I like have PL streamlabs.

What if Finana was Anycolor's scapegoat and that she was forced to say the things she said about Zaion when in reality she actually likes Zaion?

>>48824005
>>48824023
HAHAHAHA that's hilarious. Thanks.

>>48821533
>Do you think Niji can recover from this?
It won't kill NijiEN but it's going to kill fan morale.

>>48824108
It is better to have a deadbeat LoL lover than an antagonistic manager discriminating against you and inventing rules that weren't applied to other talents. What a shitty workplace.

>>48822334

>>48824372
It sounds like that manager was the one who trained them in and was the one their own manager kept passing off questions to.

>>48824499
She's probably just really stupid and impressionable

>>48824245
Except the audience will drop by a lot, especially since transferring an audience to another platform is hard. On top of that any content made on a separate platform won't help you grow at all since it's in an isolated ecosystem.
You can't just think of revenue from Superchats or ads, you have to think about growth too. And an isolated Hololive platform isn't gonna help grow an audience.