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>> No.48682718
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48682718

Based Skyelight
Hope things work out for you

>> No.48682841

I don't know what is going on in the stream
What is this game about?

>> No.48683504
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She was the best of us…

>> No.48683716
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48683716

I think i'm going to buy a pocket watch and put Riifu's photo inside as a reminder of her

>> No.48684623

You guys still exist?

>> No.48685025

https://www.youtube.com/live/Nu-xW2qxggc?feature=share

>> No.48685184

>>48682547
It doesn't even explain who are these? I've heard about them, like they just started recently. Do they have issues? Drama? Still streaming? No idea. I need to be fed this information in the OP.

>> No.48685447

>>48684623
you are horrible

>> No.48685668

I think I'm going to be okay. I might choose to live in the delusion for a bit longer, and try to better myself in the meantime.

>> No.48685685

How to say NTR in tagalog?

>> No.48685832

>>48682718
Skye's fat ass!!
I wanna sniff up her skyebraps!!

>> No.48685882

>>48685685
I believe it's pronounced kiki lockheart

>> No.48685900

>>48685668
All jokes aside, hope you're doing okay Kichain.

>> No.48686242
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48686242

If you're feeling sad, angry, lost or bewildered... Take a break. Drink some water, get some fresh air, enjoy an old favourite. These things aren't worth getting upset about. Love you.
*mwah*

>> No.48687141
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48687141

In her last moments as Riifu Evergreen, she left us with a loving message through this song.
She loves her Riiflings unironically and we'll always love her. Just be patient now.

>> No.48687292
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Ah, missed a lot of Skye's stream. Anything big happen yet? How do you like it?

>> No.48687492

>>48687292
Game is yank, Skye is Skye, I don't get what is happening, 10/10

>> No.48687631

>>48686242
>>48687141
this bitch does NOT care about you and you are NOT who those tweets are directed at. reserved for pl orbiters ONLY. SSN and photo i.d. will be required for entry, along with itemized superchat history.

>> No.48687635

>>48687292
it's cool to see her experiencing soc
mostly though im imagining her using me as her human toilet and nursing the erection

>> No.48687713 [DELETED] 

>>48687631
Drink some water, get some fresh air, enjoy an old favourite.

>> No.48687920

They still going at it?

>> No.48688426
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I had a dream that Riifu released a secret code and you needed to decipher it to gain access to the discord. A part of me is still unsure if it was a dream or not.

>> No.48688594
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>>48688426
Riifu can't read, you think she would make a secret code?

>> No.48688674

Kiki's break is so poorly and well timed at the same time, poorly because of the implication, well because it will fizzle out before she comes back

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>>48688594
She cant count alphabets too...

>> No.48688789

>>48688674
In classic fashion, expect threadshitters to call Kiki's break a "stealth suspension".

>> No.48688796
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>>48688703
Well, if the secret code is something alphabet related, at least no one will crack it.

>> No.48689330

>>48687631
*cooms on you*

>> No.48689398

>>48688674
these kind of yabs have always been a non issue and disappear quickly, the only one that ended badly was rushia´s and that was largely her own fault
and honestly taking a break after a donothon its the right choice

>> No.48689619
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48689619

grim.

>> No.48689743

>>48689619
cute

>> No.48689848

>>48689619
I've been afraid to ask, but are you drawing these?

>> No.48689922
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48689922

I am Skye's toilet.

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>>48689619
>she actually said she likes big dogs too
Fuck why does it fits so well...

>> No.48689934
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>>48689848
lol no it's AI

>> No.48689987

>>48689934
Oh, okay, thanks for answering. AI art is getting pretty good...

>> No.48690147
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>Skye actually playing Stalker
That's pretty cool. Too bad it's happening in such a bad day for me.

>> No.48690171
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My cute and dorky wife, Riifu!

>> No.48690199
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>>48690147
Hang in there, friend.

>> No.48690256
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>>48689398
Not to mention she has already anticipated this.

>> No.48690305

>>48689398
I'm sure a fair amount of viewers would drop Kiki if they knew, but the sad thing is most viewers are just regular discordfags who will never know about it. Ignorance is bliss I guess

>> No.48690427

>>48689398
>always been a non issue and disappear quickly
Yeah. Just like Shondo's, right?

>> No.48690437

>>48690305
If they're not /here/ they deserve it.

>> No.48690456
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48690456

Skye screaming don't blow out my ears like some other girls do, is it just good audio mixing?

>> No.48690471

holy shit shut the fuck up bro! you're making me hard

>> No.48690503

Aviel risks doing a Streisand effect he wants us gone so bad

>> No.48690532

>>48690305
She needs to learn how to be entertaining

>> No.48690541

i just want to masturbate to riifu again...

>> No.48690618

>>48690456
Her compressor’s doing the job properly I guess

>> No.48690674

She's actually playing Stalker? based

>> No.48690743

>>48689934
>>48689619
Kiki wouldn't want this... she has explicitly stated she does not want people to make AI art of her. Personally though, I say keep going. AI is a tool to be used. Artists should be using it themselves to expedite their work. Anyone who shits on it because it "cheapens" the art, or claims it uses "stolen" art, is salty because now regular folks have a way to get into making art. Its more about gatekeeping to them. "Wahhhh!... People can make art in a fraction of the time it took me to craft my skills!" Yes, but a true artist should be happy that it is now more accessible for everyone. If you're still good at what you do, you have nothing to worry about.

>> No.48690868

>>48690743
This is a discussion that doesn't belong here, but it's still better than the shit from previous threads and I 100% agree. AI is just another tool in the toolbox. The best craftsmen always know how to adapt. You can already see some JP artists using AI to help them with doing detailed backgrounds, so they can focus all their energy on drawing characters and other foreground elements.

>> No.48690885

>>48690743
As long as you're not tweeting it she doesn't care.

>> No.48690900

>>48690743
>"making art"
I see your point, but is AI art generation making art?

>> No.48690937 [DELETED] 

>>48690743
Well I wouldn't want Kiki to flirt with her bf on stream either but hey we can't all have what we want

>> No.48690954

>>48690743
>Kiki wouldn't want this
After today, what Kiki wants is the last thing I care about.

>> No.48690971

>>48689619
Where did you get the Black Souls lora from?

>> No.48691038

>>48690868
Yep. I think the best and smartest artists will actually end up making custom models based on their own work, so that it outputs stuff only in their style, and since they are the original source, they can feed it any number of works especially unpublished ones designed to truly craft a perfect AI model of their drawing style.
>>48690900
Yes

>> No.48691187

>>48691038
>the best and smartest artists will actually end up making custom models based on their own work
it goes both ways. fans of artists are already making models based off their art and potentially taking away commissions

>> No.48691249

>>48691038
>Yes
Compelling argument, I'll take it.
Can't fight the technology anyway.

>> No.48691269

Skye is better than I thought at this game, but still...

>> No.48691385

>>48691269
I want Skye to hook me up with one of her girlfriends

>> No.48691404
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>>48691269
>but still...

>> No.48691439

Well I've caught up the day's events, wow.
Can't say I'm surprised, glad I dipped out of pretty much all the streams the last week or two. I'll just look forward to NSFW voice tweets and keep it at that.
Skye love

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>> No.48691484
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>>48691439
same desu

>> No.48691589

>>48691439
I really fucking wish doxxfags had posted it all back when Riifu's was being posted.

>> No.48691593

>>48691187
At that point it should absolutely be grounds for lawsuits. Much in the same way the music industry deals with song theft, I see the art industry doing the same. If someone is taking your work and profiting off it by making AI generated SPECIFICALLY looking like your artsyle, then that's a shitty thing to do. Considering how models can be mixed though, it would be hard to prove unless you're forced into discovery because you're being sued, in which point you will have to show the model you used, as well as the inputs and seed number to recreate it. It would get super messy, for sure, but I think its going to happen sooner or later if things continue as they are.
>>48691269
I have the stream on in the background. Super comfy hours listening to Skye play.

>> No.48691655

>2/4
oof
sucks to be you guys

>> No.48691683

>>48691589
I feel like maybe they waited 'til the end of the donothon just to twist the knife. Hope the winner enjoys the chair kek

>> No.48691701

You guys really got invested in fucking Kiki?

>> No.48691724

>>48691655
More like 3/4, the black and white fish has talked about hating incels more than once

>> No.48691774

>>48691724
>more than once
When?

>> No.48691807
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>>48691593
Why are you so reasonable with all your takes?

>> No.48691811

>>48691724
qrd?

>> No.48691848
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48691848

It's just a matter of time, isn't it bros? Honestly I just want it to happen already so I can finally give up my last strand of hope holding me to Eien.
Gen 2 might happen but I definitely do not trust Eri to pick decent women anymore. They will just be more used up whores again.

>> No.48691940

>>48691655
>>48691724
My bro Skye has my back.

>> No.48691961

Pripyat's start will filter her so hard...

>> No.48691964

>>48691848
I want to believe that Kilia isn't like that, but it's not easy

>> No.48691985
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ETA of that statement?

>> No.48691989

>>48691701
I kinda did but I separated about a week or two after the discord was a thing, so the latest shit doesn't bother me.

>> No.48691999

Much of this could have been avoided if a rangeban on SEA had been implemented.

>> No.48692033

Did Kilia really say something bad about incels?

>> No.48692061
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>>48691774
do your reps
>>48691811
the first time she started ranting about Aloy from Horizon Zero Dawn and that incels hated women because of the facial hair (fuzz) situation. In the lead up she thought that many of the changes of the remake of resident evil was good, because if they desexualize the game then it appeals to women.
Time stamped to the incel comment
https://youtu.be/j9J-Pw0wzEk?t=7816

>> No.48692068

>>48691940
>filipino
if it means anything, if you're white, you can probably score with her

>> No.48692094

>>48692061
>Dona
Her latest outfit is so fucking sex jesas

>> No.48692114

>>48691999
But skye and kiki would be gone..

>> No.48692125

>>48692033
see >>48692061

>> No.48692131

>>48692033
Yes. Kilia is also a NijiEN fan. Leave now while you can.

>> No.48692136

>>48692061
I need to breed with Dona's tits

>> No.48692148

>>48692068
Same-sex marriage is not legal in Flipland.

>> No.48692152

>>48690503
The combined forces of every other small corpo, kiwifags, catalog tourists and riitards are going to keep us alive during the dead weeks until gen 2 arrives don't worry.

>> No.48692165

>>48691439
this nigga really thinks sky is safe lmao

>> No.48692194

>>48692061
So she only talked about incels once, glad we agree

>> No.48692212

>>48692165
Nooo you dont understand, she is a femcel she is the female version of us. Please ignore that she is a light skin with humongous titties in flipland so she can sleep her way to money

>> No.48692258

>>48692165
Skye literally mentions either crushes or ex every other stream, it isn't a secret. That's the point.

>> No.48692261

>>48691724
>hating incels
tbf why wouldn't a woman hate a group that hates women

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>>48692165
>>48692258
Honesty is all I ask for.

>> No.48692295

>>48692148
brojobs aren't illegal

>> No.48692321

Gabe is pinoy right? He should stalk kiki

>> No.48692326

>>48692261
You don't have to say it

>> No.48692340

>>48692165
No vtubers are safe. But the only time I'm uncomfortable with Skye or her fans are when Skye starts talking about mutilation, genital or otherwise

>> No.48692352
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>>48692165
Skye is safe because she's my bro

>> No.48692367

>>48692061
Fucking based, I hate /v/tards too

>> No.48692400

Skye...

>> No.48692427

How is tabasco lube even a thing? Wouldn't that be painful?

>> No.48692433

My fucking ears jesus

>> No.48692444

Hey she said the thing again

>> No.48692457

>>48692258
so shes a whore is what youre saying

>> No.48692495

nig- uh, trigger word kek

>> No.48692504
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My cute and dorky wife, Skye!

>> No.48692540

There's nothing wrong with being a whore if you're honest about it, like Riifu.

>> No.48692548

>>48692427
Probably for S&M play like those fire and ice condoms

>> No.48692558

>>48691807
I'm glad you feel that way. I like to think its because I have a habit of both putting myself in other's shoes to see things from different perspectives, and also I try to think things through to their logical conclusions. I don't always hit the mark, but that's okay too. I'm willing to learn and adjust my view given new information.

>> No.48692583

>>48692457
Yes, and she also isn't trying to give the image that you are getting any kind of GFE. It's more like a dude bro who sometimes send you dick pics, as a joke.
So you are a fag for watching Skye instead of a cuck.

>> No.48692614

Skye supports Russia?

>> No.48692680

Riiflings and Kichains trying to bring down Skyelights with them, but it won't happen.

>> No.48692712

>/eien/ has become skyelights (yes many)
If I said this during Holy Week nobody would believe me, but here we are

>> No.48692716

The Skyelight is in for a rude awakening.

>> No.48692721

>>48692680
Do it to buoys first

>> No.48692723

>>48692680
Yeah because there is only one of them, duh.

>> No.48692740

imagine the meltdown if it was riifu though

>> No.48692760

>>48692721
Buoys are too powerful

>> No.48692783

>>48692558
An open mind and a thinker? You're a good person, friend. A welcome change from the usual pace here.

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Speaking of description

>> No.48692807

>>48692716
Nostradamus anon pls no more...

>> No.48692823

>>48692740
Riifkeks know and are fine with it

>> No.48692833

>>48692716
Skye isn't really a Kali Grandmaster?

>> No.48692867

>>48690743
I only hate AI art because people post the most hideous, obvious AI garbage with Lovecraftian hands and a background that looks like it's made out of Play-Doh and people post "Oh man this is so sexy." They don't notice anything wrong with it. I feel like it's genuinely turning people braindead.
This art however looks fine to me. I have no problem with AI art if people are picky about what they share with the world, instead of just taking the first thing the AI shits out and plopping it into the thread like explosive diarrhea.

>> No.48692925 [DELETED] 

At least the bf isn't black this time

>> No.48692924

Flipcakes Unity!

>> No.48692945

I got a kiss from my bro

>> No.48692950
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Holding hands with my scared bro.

>> No.48693007

Stephanie...

>> No.48693049

Skye...

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>>48693007
Can Stephanie be my gf...

>> No.48693068

>>48692925
Its brown, which is worse

>> No.48693121

Skye will never yab, mark my words

>> No.48693141

>>48693121
The cuckening already happened during her debut

>> No.48693159

Erina really needs a de-esser

>> No.48693211 [DELETED] 

>>48693068
based blacked jewbro

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Like, totally cute!

>> No.48693304
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>> No.48693346

Gyaru Skye?

>> No.48693381

>>48693346
I'm gonna cum

>> No.48693411

JUSTICE RAINS FROM ABOVE

>> No.48693533

I really enjoyed Skye's stream, she tries to make stuff entertaining instead of (no offense) coomer stuff or GFE

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>> No.48693577

Buoys are next.

>> No.48693605

skye vod is privated? :(

>> No.48693636
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Can someone make a Skye version of this?

>> No.48693644

skye is finally getting the recognition she deserves in this thread

>> No.48693658

>>48693605
works on my machine

>> No.48693666

>>48689619
Just come back to /jidf/

>> No.48693694

>>48693605
Nope

>> No.48693737

Is it actually /jidf/ raiding us? I thought that was a meme.

>> No.48693754

>>48693636
Turn out you can't coom forever, and having a guy (female) who shares random life experiences with you while playing vidya or making creative things a few times a week is much more fun.

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>>48693694
>>48693658
I sort by latest and for some reason the latest vod is in the 2nd row. shit website...

>> No.48693766

>>48693644
People finally became disillusioned with GFE content and are willing to give her a chance

>> No.48693798

>>48693766
Actually how it went for me.

>> No.48693833

>>48693754
Misclick?

>> No.48693840

>>48693754
The great coomer exodus

>> No.48693844

>>48693754
Meant for >>48693644
>>48693833
Yeah...

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>>48693636

>> No.48693941
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>>48693886

>> No.48693973

>>48693644
Just apply Occam's Razor. It's none of the shitposting reasons above, it's just that Skye is the one who just had a stream.

>> No.48693993

>>48693941
I got my reward, a laugh!

>> No.48694010

>>48693737
Both yuko and kiki get away with it.
They are both pieces of shit woman

>> No.48694019

>>48693993
I'm glad. Thanks again.

>> No.48694052

I wish Skye would've recorded her first watch of the AC6 trailer or just done a video about her thoughts on each part. Ah well, full game's coming and way sooner than I expected.

>> No.48694057

Skye is my bro, I have her back.

>> No.48694108

>>48692033
Okay, anons are blowing it out of proportions. What happened exactly is that she was playing RE4 Remake, and chat brought attention to Ashley having her tits nerfed. Then Kilia went on a short rant about "incels" who always complain about female characters being desexualized. Take it however you want but its always been obvious to me that Kilia has strong opinions about coomers, as she is the only one in the group who doesn't pander to that, so it didnt bother me that much. I just think she is another dumb woman who cares too much about useless shit.
There's also anons who says she hates weebs. I mean come on, she clearly watches anime, and works as a vtuber. She said weebs as a joke.

>> No.48694234

I have such a backlog that I don't check in often, but I'm glad some are realizing the only thing you can trust for sure is the fun and games, which is what most streams are about anyway.

>> No.48694289

>>48694108
Zow deserved it

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I just wonder what else Kiki lied about. Is she really living with her uncle? Did she really go watch John Wick 4 alone? Was it really her gay brother laughing at kichain maros? Does she truly loves her Kichains? We will never know.

>> No.48694430

>>48693737
Neither of these threads are big enough to raid anyone anon

>> No.48694467

>>48694108
Kilia hates /v/edditors...

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>>48694426
This way of thinking can drive a man nuts. We can never really know if what anyone says online is true, unless proof is provided. I've personally become quite disillusioned lately, so I'm distancing myself from any interaction online. In the end, if it's not fun, and I'm having these thoughts, it's not something I want to deal with anyway...
Sorry for traumaposting, have a good day.

>> No.48694697

I like how Skye hangs out in whatever channel she raids. Most other people I watch hardly ever stick around after they raid someone. I know its more likely that's she's just afk with the stream running in the background, but she's still in the list of viewers. Super wholesome.

>> No.48694831

>>48694426
>love
Probably. But loving a community and the creative project you contribute to together is one thing, and all other types of love are another (and nigh impossible in any practical manner).

>> No.48694955

Honestly I think it was for the best that this drama happened so early, it allows Eien to filter out the wrong kind of viewer and rebrand themselves as a much more appealing company. Future hires will probably be similar to Skye in terms of what they bring to the table.

>> No.48695142

>>48694955
>will probably be similar to Skye in terms of what they bring to the table
There's nothing wrong with what Kiki does for content, everyone knows GFE brings in the money, but it's all an issue of opsec and total lack thereof.

>> No.48695295

>>48695142
Also Eri/staff could have done more to prevent this from happening, for sure.

>> No.48695298

>>48694955
>>48695142
Eri will have to bring in GFE tuber regardless, it's nigh impossible to get 4 jack of all trades for 1 gen, and it'll be hard for them to bound off each other. A collab with even 2 Skye is impossible for anyone to keep up with.
She just needs to demand a psychological evaluation in the CV.

>> No.48695338

Do people really enjoy living the illusion, not knowing the truth?

>> No.48695360

>>48694955
>>48695142
It amazes me how many cucks are in these threads. I been here since day 1, and now I really hope this general dies.

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=bTc-ydO0Bro
Reminder to never get too attach

>> No.48695453

/eien/ Lord of the Board bro, why did you fuck up the form? >>48692425

>> No.48695475

>>48695142
You feel entertained watching Kiki?

>> No.48695479
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48695479

Wait, there's faggots here who actually watch and give money to vtubers that doesn't do GFE? What the fuck is wrong with you? Just go watch males then. At least they can play games well and are funnier than women.

>> No.48695523

>>48695360
>>48695338
... I don't even watch GFE chuubas. But it's illogical to think that they're going to remain celibate just for their fan base.

Kiki before never hid her relationships, so I wonder if Eri told her to hide it. Just to give the benefit of the doubt.

>> No.48695600

>>48695523
> I don't even watch GFE chuubas.
Stopped reading there.

>> No.48695617

>>48695403
>was actually suspicious since the day she revealed she lives with her brothers
>still decided to give in anyway
I'm so sorry Shishio, but you don't understand. Our male dicks, they make us too easy to control!

>> No.48695703

>>48695479
But I also watch Joseph Anderson!

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>>48695600
Cope.

>> No.48695733

>>48695523
>But it's illogical to think that they're going to remain celibate just for their fan base.
Am I seriously the only person who thinks accepting free money in exchange for being single an easy choice? If I was a woman I would do that without a second to think. And I would literally have multiple rich men all available to me whenever I decided to retire and marry for endless money. I fail to see how any of this is bad.

>> No.48695775

>>48694955
They went for coomer GFE from day one, it's going to be hard to come back from that.

>> No.48695848

>>48695523
You can hang out with guys and get fucked just don't have a long term bf.

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eri if you're reading this thread please teach gen2 as well as skye and kilia about opsec for the love of god.... this is literally your jobby job!

>> No.48696007

It's too late Eri, I will just assume every other girl in gen2 is also a lying whore. You won't be having my money thanks to Kiki.

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>>48695403
>How many times do you nerds need to be fooled by women until you realize it?
People keep saying this to me when I've not even watched vtubers before, this was my first...
I vow to never invest my time or money immensely into another entertainer like I did with Riifu, UNLESS they genuinely have talent and/or are funny.
It's not easy being in love... I feel so jaded now.

>> No.48696155

>>48695937
I mean if it took two months for it to happen it must not have been THAT easy to find. That or the few people talented enough to find it were sitting on it for months waiting until the time when they could do the most damage.

>> No.48696194

>>48696146
How on earth do you go years without watching VTubers and then Riifu is your first one? Do you only wash Scottish videos and the YouTube algorithm recommended her to you or what?

>> No.48696204

I wonder if the Lunaris guy knows. I remember he drew a lot of Menace art before, and she was kinda GFE too, so maybe it's a big deal for him.

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>>48695937
Good post my Tyler Durden

>> No.48696242

>>48695848
Or at the very least, have some opsec.
On day zero delete Roommate socials. Delete or private the boyfriend's socials. If you can, pull GDPR on FAANG companies preferably using a lawyer. Airgap as much as possible, make sure that there's no hard evidence of RM to PL and from PL to Corpo. Seed false info, even, although be careful, it might make things worse.
>>48696155
Obviously the latter.
>>48696146
At least Riifu wasn't hiding anything except genuine mental issues.

>> No.48696271

>>48696194
I wondered this about people in Kiki's chat saying the same thing, I just assume they're full of shit

>> No.48696299

>>48696204
He's been following her since July 2022, I wouldn't be surprised if he knew

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>>48696194
I go years without watching VTubers because I never had any real interest in them (and kinda disliked them). I came from /asmr/, where someone posted a link to Riifu's ASMR video, and then I heard about the four-day challenge, and me being a coomer and all... Yeah, I fell into the rabbit hole quite quickly.

>> No.48696361

>>48696299
Following who, Kiki? Wow. So he really is just a massive cuck then.

>> No.48696403

Kiki did show her windows username early yesterday during the donothing. I wonder if...

>> No.48696405

I wonder what a person like that feel like, seeing all the new fans talking like they do...

>> No.48696478

>>48696146
>Riifu as your first vtuber
lmao I can't even imagine that. I've been watching vtubers since the end of 2019(actually since Kizuna Ai debutted but I lost interest and forgot about vtubers for a while) and even after experiencing many vtubers from all over the world, Riifu is still one of the most /here/ and parasocial I had ever seen. She was really too good to be true.
Honestly, if she had become an indie after leaving and continue the same way she was with us, I would probably still watch her.

>> No.48696620

>>48696403
Oh shit, is that what got her doxxed? If so then that's fucking karma at work.

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>>48696478
Not only was she my first VTuber, but also my first crush. I had never felt love before, and it confused me. I lost sleep and my appetite was gone. These last few weeks have been life-changing. Inspiring, hurtful, joyous, full of despair.
I've learnt a lot of myself and others, so I'm glad for the experience, just wish it happened a little sooner in my life.
>Honestly, if she had become an indie after leaving and continue the same way she was with us, I would probably still watch her.
I'm glad in a way that she's gone and not immediately reincarnated. Gave me time to think and settle my feelings. I'm only going to watch more down to earth streamers and things I'm interested in from now on, not religiously wait for every stream like I did with her...

>> No.48696707

I’m the original awakening poster. I’ve known for many weeks and even warned you to not meme it for you’ll regret it. I’m not Saruman but it looks like we both had the same information. There’s more.

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>>48696707
fuck my shit up

>> No.48696749

>>48696707
>There’s more.
What more there could even be?

>> No.48696782

>>48696146
Here's another thing to keep in mind: save your money for when the "show" needs help to continue.
It actually isn't uncommon for a streamer to end up in some medical emergency, natural disaster or some other thing that prevents streaming.

>> No.48696856

>>48696782
>medical emergency
Elaine...

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>>48696782
Yeah, I'm not a big spender anyway. Unless I would really enjoy it or feel like it would help someone, I see no reason to spend any money.
Thanks for the advice.

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>>48696642
The hell? You remind me so much of myself first time i watched vtubers, getting betrayed and all that. Here, have some head pats.

>> No.48696900

I just remembered. Some Anonymous gave her 2k when the stream was close to ending. I wonder what the fuck was that about. All her biggest paypigs use their names.

>> No.48696911

>>48696856
Laran...
won the lawsuit though

>> No.48696921

>>48696707
anything on skye? scared to go all in on her since debut since she gave off flags early

>> No.48696945

>>48696921
>flags
Nigger what do you mean? She gave you the entire verbal resume.

>> No.48696966

>>48696900
I haven't done that but I can tell you that I've been tempted to make someone's day sometimes. Not just when it comes to streams either. It's a little like someone being in such a good mood they go "drinks on me".

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>>48696894
Thank you... After all this mental confusion and drama, even a simple gesture like that feels genuinely nice.

>> No.48696986

>>48696642
Jesus, how old are you? Sound like you are not even 20 yet, or you lived under a rock. How the fuck is a vtuber your first crush. Also.
>I lost sleep and my appetite
Funny you say that. I unironically lost my appetite several years ago when my real gf broke up with me, and I still haven't recovered. So yeah, women can affect you like that. Enjoy your future crushes.

>> No.48696994

>>48696642
That's normal for dudes that rarely date around. Been fucked up by a chick scamming me before.
It helps to keep part of yourself skeptical and one feet out at all times.

>> No.48697061

>>48696707
>There’s more.
Please, for the love of all that is sacred. If you are not fucking around, just give us all of it already.
Set me free from this torment.

>> No.48697083

>>48696921
>all in
hey anon just enjoy the games, you can see she's already doing just fine in an opportunity most don't get to boot
if a whole crowd of people can't make streaming practical enough for her to keep doing then your going all in won't change that
just take it easy man and make sure you're prepared for unexpected scenarios so you can live and keep enjoying the streams

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>>48696986
Not that young, just very shut-in and inexperienced with other people, so yeah, living under a rock like you say. I'll try to enjoy my future...
>>48696994
Heh, I used to think I was sceptical and logical, but still I fell into the wrong way of thinking. Not easy to think clearly when you're obsessed like I was. Thanks for the advice, I'll try to keep a level head.

>> No.48697766

>>48695453
blame our local schizo, we never even discussed being in the event
he just went off and submitted us all on his own >>48213900 >>48647939

>> No.48697818

>>48697124
every man is a logicmaxxing sigmachad until he finds THE ONE, let this be the first and last time it happens though

>> No.48698003

You guys should keep bullying dumbass Riitards out of the thread.
t. riitard

>> No.48698229

>>48696749
She could be like Riifu.

>> No.48698423

I got back into Xenoblade 2 recently, whenever Mórag speaks, I think of Riifu.
I miss her.

>> No.48698514

Riifu...

>> No.48698516

>>48696146
Watch Isla Coleman of the Isla Coleman Channel. Very talented, appreciates her fans, she's fantastic.

>> No.48698539

>>48698229
Wouldn't that be a good thing?

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48698570

You guys really had to destroy the whole general over this, didn't you? I'll just enjoy Kilia by myself from now on I think. We should have known that all the newfags here were here just for the drama and the doxxshit. The amount of reddit level posts in this thread is embarrassing by itself, let alone everything else.
Shit like >>48695479 >>48696986 make me physically cringe.
Maybe I'll come back check in a month or so, until then, for the good buoys, the skylight and the nice riiflings that stuck around, I hope you have a good time doing whatever you do.

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>>48698570
>newfags
>cringe
>reddit posts
I don't believe you are Kiliaposter, that person always seemed so kind and well-behaved. I know the general has been incredibly shit, but still...
No matter, I hope you have a good future from here on out. Remember to hydrate.

>> No.48698680

>>48698570
Fuck off retard, nobody cares about you.

>> No.48698719

>>48698570
you are in for a rude awakening

>> No.48698781

>>48698676
I am not kiliaposter

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>>48698570

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>>48698516
She seems alright, but I'm going to distance myself from this whole VTuber thing for now.
And she sounds like Sid from Toy Story...

>> No.48699313

>>48698539
Hell no.

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>> No.48699331

Thanks Eien for reminding me that women are made only to be used as sexual slaves, deserving of no love or trust. I had forgotten that recently.

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>>48699331
you are free from their shackles once again

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>>48699331
>women
hey, men can be grifters too

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I'm sorry bros

>> No.48699500

Kichains are in for a rude awakening

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>> No.48699552

>>48699524
only one of those sentences is false

>> No.48699601

It's so fucking weird watchinh GFE now

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>>48699500

>> No.48699675

>>48699601
I've woken up. Chuubas don't even seem that appealing anymore now that i've opened my eyes to the reality of gfe. But in the end i'm nothing but a gosling...

>> No.48699730

goslings are finally walking out of the cave, welcome to the truth

>> No.48699736

>>48699601
>>48699675
I don't like to kick people when they're down, but when they're people who have been relentlessly insulting me for years, I feel like it's worth pointing out that all these GFE-pandering corpos crumbling at the same time feels like some sort of karmic justice.

>> No.48699741

>>48696300
>i came from /asmr/
the gatekeeping failed

>> No.48699750

Don't give up unicorn chads, the perfect GFE must be out there, waiting for you

>> No.48699774

>>48699622
kek

>> No.48699781

>>48698960
No worries mate. Hope you rekindle your passion one day.
I got used to her voice eventually, I like it now.

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>>48699750
I will not give up, I'll keep on my search for the perfect gfe vtuber, I know that I will find her some day...

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>>48699750
i'm close to giving up the search. i already found the one for me and don't have faith i can find anyone better

>> No.48700097

>>48699927
/るみな/ is waiting
What better gfe than someone who is unironically parasocial for their audience

>> No.48700121

I think I'm just gonna find an actual gf.

>> No.48700126

>>48699750
I've been looking for so long. Sure, there is some good GFE out there who haven't been found out with bfs yet, but none of them really appealed to me. I rather continue looking than to giving up and becoming a cuck though.

>> No.48700140

>>48700121
Good luck

>> No.48700167

I'm glad the kichains came back from discord

>> No.48700208

Still talking about kiki?

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>>48700097
>used to be all over GFE jp vtubers and only them
>eventually try out english speaking vtubers
>feels pretty good to finally fully understand them
>but it was also when I started experiencing the cuckold part of vtubing
I feel I was happier when I could barely understand what they said...

>> No.48700266

Maybe Eri leaked it to keep the threads going. It's going to be a slow couple of weeks with Kilia on vacation and Kiki taking a break by herself after the donothon.

>> No.48700278

HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.48700306

>>48700278
Wrong thread, here you go >>48601133

>> No.48700307

>>48700167
Did we though? I thought I was the only one who still came here. I bet the channel there is still pretty active.

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>>48700126
>>48700043
Don't worry anons I'm sure she will come on gen 2, I know it I can feel it...

>> No.48700329

>>48700248
Anon...
I don't know how to tell you...
But you only started to experience the cuck parts when coming to EN because you understood the leaks and engaged with the community. Those leaks and rrats happened all the same, you just didn't know.
>>48700121
I recommend /fit/ as a good start.

>> No.48700359

>>48700121
>an actual gf
Good luck with that. Just know that if you feel hurt when vtubers betray you, you will feel ten times worse when it's a real woman doing that to you.
Real women can fuck your emotions and mental health like nothing else.

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>>48700359
Why must we be such prisoners to our base desires?
Tell me, anons. Inject me copium about ai, robots, and artificial wombs.

>> No.48700621

Another catalog thread made.

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Why did I even get into vtubers anyway?
I thought I was stronger than this.

>> No.48700850

Kiki...

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>>48700563
If you want GFE play The Darkness. You can literally watch an entire movie with your in game gf.

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Goslingbros... Please take care of yourselves, I wouldn't want you to get hurt any more than you already have. Remember, a man cannot be comfortable without his own approval.
*mwah*

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Buoys will never be rudely awakened.

>> No.48701221

>>48701143
Riifu...

>> No.48701251

I'm the Rude Awakening poster and I never meant for this to happen...

>> No.48701294

I'm the rude awakening

>> No.48701309

>>48701251
Somebody already claimed to be you and said otherwise.

>> No.48701324

>>48701251
when will you realize that your actions have consequences

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Average eien fans

>> No.48701356

Kilia is having fun with her female AND male friends and i can't deal with it

>> No.48701408
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What happened to our gosling corpo...

>> No.48701491

Grim

>> No.48701633

I'm not doing fine after these lies, how can Kiki be so vile yet look authentic and passionate on stream
I'm scared of doing something bad

>> No.48701787

Nobody here watched Kiki except out of unity

>> No.48701887

>>48701633
>yet look authentic and passionate on stream
This kinda scares and weirds me out. I cannot understand how she said and did the things she did. I am impressed at how naturally she lies.

>> No.48701939

>>48700972
lol I forgot about that. The Darkness is still fucking great.

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>>48701408
We got too comfy, I knew that it was too good to be true...

>> No.48702106

>>48701633
>>48701887
I won't even call it acting or imply some intent to deceive
>writing
>roleplay
People get into the mentality of a character all the time simply because they find it fun to do

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Die already shitty thread

>> No.48702200

>>48701408
How can something happen to something that didn't exist?
Gosling posting doesn't even make sense; none of you have it as bad or work as hard as any of his characters.

>> No.48702231

>>48702106
The idea of a vtuber roleplaying a character makes no sense to me when they speak about their real life literally all the time.

>> No.48702315

>>48702106
How is it roleplaying

>> No.48702345

>>48702106
This line of thinking doesn’t really work with Kiki as she is literally always talking about irl stuff…

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>>48702200
>his characters
my characters

>> No.48702367

>>48702345
She just omitted a few details

>> No.48702383

It's sad, Kiki's drawings and voice acting is pretty good. Bums me out she chose to do this instead...
Enough dooming, goodnight /eien/, luv ya goobers
[Spoilers]*mwah*[/Spoilers]

>> No.48702399

>>48702383
Riifu...

>> No.48702423

>>48702383
ctrl+s....

>> No.48702435

>>48702383
nice try anon, I know you’re not Riifu unless…

>> No.48702438

>>48702383
Skye can draw too...

>> No.48702444

>>48702231
>>48702315
>>48702345
and authors to varying degrees work themselves into their characters too
a character can simply be "me but if I was a____" or some idealized version of the self
doesn't matter if a glass of water is 99% pure that 1% can still make all the difference
similarly you're not getting the full and accurate person with any streamer who has to think about opsec

>> No.48702475

>>48702444
>number for death
>three times
it's over

>> No.48702533

>>48702444
"Angel number 444 is a message about honesty and justice. Recently, someone tried to take advantage of you. You may have lost money or status from the actions of someone close to you. Sadly, the person that wronged you might think they will get away with it, but God is watching. Justice will be served to those that try to take anything from you."

Holy shit

>> No.48702549

>>48701787
I choose my streams based on whether or not I'm interested in the game so Kiki's often on the list, but given the number of non-game streams I do end up watching her less
It's nice to learn about art though

>> No.48702657

I have a rule for myself: no matter how much I enjoy a chuuba, I do not dono or member until I've watched at least a month's worth of streams that I liked. The last 2 times I got burnt this rule didn't even help because they waited longer than that, but at least it helped with kiki.

>> No.48702664

>>48702533
All of this shit started happening when the angel numbers showed up, we are actually cursed aren't we?

>> No.48702798

>>48702664
Are angels the true GFE chuubas?

>> No.48703235

>>48702664
As the saying goes the devil doesn't tempt (or lead astray) with things that are unattractive.

>> No.48703295

>>48702798
>Amane Kanata
>Amano Nene
I'm noticing things

>> No.48703319

https://twitter.com/kiliakurayami/status/1654103774808383489
Yeah, me

>> No.48703348

>>48703319
are you black?

>> No.48703394

>>48703348
No

>> No.48703404

>>48703394
it's over...

>> No.48703406

>>48703319
>50 garlic cloves on the corner
wtf? is this some burgerland cooking tech?

>> No.48703408

>>48702549
Unironically go watch Twitch then. This is just like saying you enjoy cheerleaders for their athletic prowess. Vtubing is 100% about being parasocial or cooming, nothing else.

>> No.48703462

>>48703295
Thank God EIEN doesn't have a Nene. It would be like only the negative traits of Riifu (PBUH) and Eri in one evil bitch.

>> No.48703479

>>48703408
Riifu played lots of games…

>> No.48703520

Why retards keep making other threads? Nobody but the few people here cares about Eien. Making threads about Eien yabs is fucking meaningless.

>> No.48703535

>>48703408
I'm just interested in seeing what people think about games I'm interested in, which is also interesting from a design perspective
Besides, these days most high skill play either cuts out elements of a game or is about skips rather than actually taking on the challenges
>Twitch
Unless my memories are falsified there are vtubers on there as well, some of whom stream on Twitch and YouTube

>> No.48703563

>>48703462
Kilia will be our Nene

>> No.48703608

>>48703319
https://files.catbox.moe/oo2voh.mp3

>> No.48703650

>>48702383
riifu....ur so cute,, unironically. mwah

>> No.48703657

>>48701327
riiflings are idubbz

>> No.48703667

>>48703479
And never finished 80% of them...

>> No.48703724

>>48703608
Kilia needs to come back. My cock demands her, no strings attached

>> No.48703774

>>48702383
I miss you, and I'm still waiting for you Riifu. I hope you're doing well

>> No.48703816

>>48702383
goodnight Riifu

>> No.48703922

>>48702383
goodnight Riifu, rest well

>> No.48704532

I bet Skye enjoys this one on occasion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oq9-TrH1GI

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48704679

>>48704532

>> No.48704836

>>48704679
accurate depiction of her reaction to the VI trailer if her tweet is to be believed
it's funny how many people had their inner child awaken again after waiting 10 years

>> No.48705007

>Kiki woke up and is acting needy on discord
Please someone tell the cuckchains...

>> No.48705584
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48705584

Buoys whining about missing Kilia on discord. Cry me a fucking river, my oshi is dead and I’ll never see her again…

>> No.48705624

>>48705584
Anon she isn't dead she loves us and she's coming back to collect us. Do your best look away from it. We will be together again.

>> No.48706008

>>48705624
Nta, but I had a huge morale boost recently, now I think I can last all this time. And considering recent events, I'm even glad she left, like, you know, this Kiki shit will always crawl in the back of your mind, reminding of itself every time you see or hear her, but now it won't be a problem, just need to wait, and I will patiently wait as long as it takes

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