/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

lol

>>48558261
the kson thread died btw

>>48558336
They are probably sleep

Remember when anons were saying when Haruka joined it was going to be the beginning of a new era with Haruka as the nexus of unity between all the cliques in VShojo? Guess it was a different timeline...

Quick post tits for the drama baiters arrive

CDawgVA,aka Connor is Ironmouse's boyfriend

>>48558603
That was a nice lobby.

>>48558715
I honestly forgot she collabed with them, like Vienna, Monarch and Giri.

>>48558603
i wonder if he even recalls sucking nyan's dick for a voice over back in the day at this point

>>48558603
wait who said this?

>>48558849
or the pedo baiting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCEccp4lF-g

>>48558906
Everyone. Fuck off catalog fag it's old news

Why must they drag it out? Rip the fucking band-aid off, i'm tired of all the vague shit.

>>48559086
because if they came out and released the terms of their deal, everyone would go "wow, you guys make too much"

if they're vague then they get the lame ass white knight ducks that you see in these threads.

you have been visited by a rare cocoti

>you didn't forget about me did you anon?

>>48559300
You aren't going to leave us, are you my Queen? Please don't leave Hime I can't go on without her...

>>48559426
Hime would never abandon us.

>>48558261
>Another maid edition because there's no other art Edition
Oh there's new art I'm just not really in the mood to post it or any new Mel outfits. I'm kind of depressed about all this and avoiding the thread like the plague.

>>48559139
>just make the contents of your talent contracts public
Do you even think before you type

>>48559504
I have standards for my OPs
There's a Haruka foot fetish art but it seemed a bit much

>>48559580
>Do you even think before you type
>argument is that their contracts blow
Do you?

>>48559625
The contracts will never be public information, retard.

>>48559504
https://twitter.com/agustin56252753/status/1653214458909720576

good art for next time

>>48559620
>standards
There is nothing more fantastic than the Kson massive shoulders meme.

this picture should be good for a /vt/ seethe thread

>>48559662
it legally can be, so until they put up, i'd kindly like all the "lol bad contract" simps to just kindly gtfo

but you know why it won't be? because again, if they publicize them people are going to go "whoa, you earned how much? and you're complaining?"

>>48559743
They're not going to make the contracts public and have exactly zero reasons to do so, you fucking retard.

>>48559620
this?

>>48559776
yes

>>48559743
You're mostly right. It doesn't really benefit anybody (either VShojo nor the girls) to post their contracts. Even if they posted one of Mythic's for comparison (which would piss Mythic off), it still wouldn't help. They already get shit from randos for not having "real jobs". It'd be the same kind of shitters who complain about sports athlete contracts.

I hope Melody is okay!

Anyway, not feeling it like I said, so I'm out. Have a few pieces since I came by. I am still keeping up on Mel's contest and I'll still do an archive zip if anybody wants it.

>>48559773
That's my point you fucking retard. So it means the contracts are very well paid and not exploitative, otherwise they would have a reason to post them. Jesus your autism is strong

>>48559948
Please read up on what an NDA is.

Nyan's Omega Strikers team is doing really well. It's in 6th right now. Apparently everyone in the top 10 gets something. Aethel's is in 31st out of 50. Bozo

>>48559948
Of course they're not exploitative.
We know there's no bad blood between those who've left and the staff or remaining talents.

How hard is this to comprehend? This is completely normal business and you're turning it into some kind of backroom conspiracy.
Log the fuck off.

>>48559948
>the contracts are very well paid and not exploitative

>>48560035
I wanted to help Zen's team but mean the UI is some mobile inspired garbage

>>48560008
You are allowed to disclose your pay and benefits, look up basic workers rights you fucking moron. NDAs can't be enforced on employment contracts. The contracts is literally your property.

Okay I lied, I'll post this one because it has a fantastic ass.

Idol outfit by @Chumidraws

>>48560102
Oh I forgot she's in it too. 15th so not bad. I hope she gets up to top 10. You're right that the UI is convoluted though.

What we need to focus on is the remaining tit-to-talent ratio. Silvervale was a significant loss but Hime and Zen still make up most of our mass.

>>48559896
I MISS FILIAN UUUUUU

>>48560165
And? What's your point?

>>48560035
Really? Why is her team doing so well lol

>>48560201
Wait for it...

>>48560075
Ok, then post it!

>>48560246
Ayuss.

>>48560230
My point is your reading comprehension is lacking

>>48560293
They are not going to reveal the contents of the contracts. They have no reason to do so.
I don't understand what you don't get about that, or why you even think they should in the first place.

https://twitter.com/Jaxus_art/status/1653256781085171712

Kson vs. the big guy in RE4.

>>48560165
>employment
they're not employed, retard...

>>48560243
It's mostly a popularity contest. You pick your favorite creator and if you win they get one point. Losses are meaningless. So I guess her audience just really likes Omega Strikers. It's basically impossible for her to get #1 though. The Ludwig/Moist team has 4x as many points.

>>48560338
I'm not sure how you're not realizing you're stuck in the dumbest of loops.

1. Everyone's saying their contracts are exploitative
2. If they're exploitative then post them
3. Hurr durr but that's illegal
4. No it's not
5. But why would they post it
6. Because it's exploitative
7. But that's illegal
8. No it's not
9. But why would they post it.

Can't argue with down syndrome


The point is if it was exploitative they'd post it, because it's not illegal and it helps them and hurts vshojo. But it's not exploitative it's actually quite lucrative, so they won't post it, because now idiots like you will suck their cock on 4chan.

Literally simping for lazy ass millionaire stuck up bitches.

>>48560440
Your contract is your property retard

>>48560591
>simping for lazy ass millionaire stuck up bitches.
Says the dude simping for a corporation.

>>48560633
Can you clarify what your legal education is?

>>48560591
>Everyone's saying their contracts are exploitative
Nobody who has actually seen the contracts has said this.

>>48560674
Please point to where I said vshojo is a good company.

There's a difference from just pointing out your idiocy and simping for a corpo

>>48560473
Yeah I was mainly wondering how she was doing well because I assumed some of the more popular teams like Ludwig's were doing even better.
How is Connor's team doing?

>>48560591
Didn't False imply the issue wasn't with the contracts themselves, but rather that they had better opportunities elsewhere?

>>48560697
>>48560075
It's been all over these threads

>>48560736
I closed out of the game, but he's like 4th

>>48560691
https://www.nlrb.gov/guidance/key-reference-materials/national-labor-relations-act

Being able to read and having an iq over 1

>>48560750
I reiterate.

NOBODY WHO HAS ACTUALLY SEEN THE CONTRACTS HAS SAID THEY WERE EXPLOITATIVE.

>>48560742
>but rather that they had better opportunities elsewhere?
they're all joining otk

>>48560165
just kys... Please.

>>48560800
i reiterate, PEOPLE ARE STILL FUCKING SAYING THEY ARE

>>48560804
Aethel asked her something like this and she said she'd be willing to listen to anyone but she doesn't think they're interested.

>>48560828
10/10 well thought out response to a fact

>>48560851
OK, retards on the Internet are spewing blatant lies.

What the fuck else is new? Why should anyone care?

>>48560795
None, got it.

>>48560714
You either simp for the employees or you simp for the corpo
there is no grill

why are you guys even replying a tourist? Let him schizo until her gets tired.

>>48560804
>Mouse is already in UTA with actual notable names instead of just a bunch of ecelebs so there's no reason to join a 3rd agency
based?

>>48560901
Ok, later wage slave

>>48560919
yes because thinking they're both fucking dumb is never in the realm of possibilities

>>48560800
has anyone even used the word "exploitative"?
iirc the implications given(few that there were) were it being a shit contract

>>48561035
archives are there for you to look at for free

>>48560979
fence-sitting whore

>>48558603
Connor is THIS Ironmouse's boyfriend

aethel said that mythic did come to him asking if he'd be willing to join, he turned them down because he's loyal to his current manager. he did have only nice things to say about them in general. nyan will either join mythic or aethel's manager just got a new client.

too many vei cucks in here, back to talking about nazuna

>>48560882
>but she doesn't think they're interested.
Never underestimate Mizkif and his clout chasing hunger.
That said if he did try to get a vtuber he's probably go for Vei or Snuffy first. But I doubt they're interested

watch as mouse will play this horror game next stream.

>>48561148

>>48561154
snuffy will never be /in/ anywhere

she has all the networking she needs without having to give up a piece of herself.

>>48560102
Don't sweat it. The top 10 right now have audiences that are significantly larger than Zen so they have a bigger player pool. At the end of the day it's a numbers game.

>>48561108
I wouldn't honestly be surprised if nyan didn't join mythic just because they seem to be snatching every chuuba with a pulse. On the other hand maybe she'll go to the agency aethel is in instead.

Please GunRun do something

>>48561035
The implications aren't even that the contract is specifically bad.
Just that it wasn't enough to convince Vei or Nyan to stay (Silver appears to have left for less practical reasons).

>>48560591
are you fucking retarded? it may not be literally illegal to post the contract but you can absolutely get sued for it.
what kind of org doesnt hide their contract behind NDAs lol

>>48561168
Yeah kek

>>48561067
I was right, it's too big a word for SEA to use often reliably

>>48561306
Yeah you can totally NDA a person that doesn't work for you by handing them a piece of paper, saying it's theirs, but they can't share it.

Genius play. So let's 500iq this:
1. Make a piece of paper that says "You cannot share this with anyone"
2. Wait for someone to share it
3. Sue them

You're a fucking retard, they're under no obligation to not have to disclose a contract. It's internal company items that they can't disclose.

>>48561223
If I were Nyan I would definitely sign with MSM over Mythic. She's seen firsthand how well it's gone for Aethel.
Sure, she knows people with Mythic but they have, at the very most, a couple of months under their belt and that's not a lot to go on.

>>48559948
A deal doesn't have to be bad for another deal to be better.

>>48561223
her picking up aethel's manager seems like a no brainer. he seems like a cool dude and being able to market them as an auto collab would entice some sponsorships (and maybe even get a better deal because combined ccv... if their internet wasn't shit and could stream at the same time).

>>48561408
Please stop embarrassing yourself.

>>48561408
Do you even know what an NDA is?
>NDAs, or non-disclosure agreements, are legally enforceable contracts that create a confidential relationship between a person who has sensitive information and a person who will gain access to that information. A confidential relationship means one or both parties has a duty not to share that information.
>legally enforceable
Literally one second on Google, Jesus fucking Christ

>>48561408
Let's slow down a bit here. the NDA would be in the contract itself so when you sign the contract you're also consenting to the NDA. does that make sense to you you have any questions?

>>48561408
it might be an exit clause with their pre-existing contract. "can't disclose (this) for (this many days)"

>>48560882
otk pink cat would be an absolutely cursed timeline

>/vsj+/ experts in everything
niggas think they're lawyers

>>48561526
This isn't right, you'd sign the NDA before getting access to the contract.

>>48561107
has Connor fucked this Mousey?

>>48561408

>>48561408
that post is actually embarrassing.
you can nda a person that doesnt work for you by handing them a piece of paper and them signing it.
you usually sign ndas before negotiations start and its not an uncommon business practice.
not to mention nda regarding renewals couldve been baked into their expiring contract and still be valid after it expired
holy yikes

>>48560795
we don't know the structure of the org but if they're independent contractors i don't think this page applies

>>48561538
>>48561526
>>48561523
>>48561511
Imagine not understanding that is illegal for a company to forbid people from discussing pay and benefits.

i cant wait for this shit to end. I don't care if this shit org explode or if they take over cover i just want to watch streams and shitpost with anons about it.

>>48560437
Cute

>>48561625
THEY'RE NOT EMPLOYEES
>The NLRA only covers workers treated and defined as an employee. Under NLRA, workers who are considered independent contractors and agricultural workers are not treated as employees.

i love my wolf wife (who did nothing wrong btw)

>>48561625
If you sign an NDA, anything covered by that NDA cannot be shared.

Not that your complete lack of basic legal knowledge matters, because the core of this entire tizz-out is you thinking that Vei, Silver and Nyan need to bare the intimate details of their business and finances for the sake of literal whos talking out of their ass on 4chan.

So I'm rounding back to the beginning of this conversation and once again summarily dismissing you as an unbelievable, flagrant retard. Genuinely non-functional.

>>48561612
>you usually sign ndas before negotiations
clear sign of an hourly worker is that they don't understand the nda is in the contract for salaried positions

>not to mention nda regarding renewals couldve been baked into their expiring contract and still be valid after it expired

The contract, as I've stated, is YOUR property. You have a right to disclose YOUR property as you please. Whether the company says you can or can't, it's not going to stand ground in court.

Scuse me Is this a courtroom or vsj+?

Ironmouse: Mit Steiners vtuber Rekrutierungsaktion... wird das alles in Ordnung kommen. ("With Steiner's vtuber recruitment, that will all come into order.")
Connor: Meine Eisenmaus... Steiner... ("My Ironmouse...Steiner...")

>>48561625
imagine not understanding the difference between an employee and an independent contractor

>>48561739
> independent contractors

They're not independent though

>>48561588
yes, but I don't have the code anymore sorry

>>48561625
first off none of the girls work for vshojo and the contracts and questions are not workers contracts. And yes it is legal to willingly signed a contract that states that you all agreed to not talk about certain things under the threat of facing various penalties.

>>48561778
this is a wendys bathroom and there's no toilet paper left and i would really appreciate it if someone would please tell the staff because ive been in here for 20 minutes i am afraid a line is forming

>>48561779
and if you share contents of said contract to everyone who will listen, you immediately get noted as an untrustworthy person. sure you can talk about it in private all you want. blasting it on socials disincentivizes people from working with you in the future.

>>48561625
1. they are not employees as has been pointed out
2. there are limits to everything, disclosing pay is possible without disclosing the complete breakdown of that pay and underlying contract in full

>>48561799
>You are not an independent contractor if you perform services that can be controlled by an employer (what will be done and how it will be done). This applies even if you are given freedom of action. What matters is that the employer has the legal right to control the details of how the services are performed.

>>48561757
its actually insane how stupid that dude is.
>>48561779
QED

can you stop responding to him jesus christ

>>48561751
indie bitches amirite...

>>48561887
unless the contract is awful, then you gain trust

please just stop replying. I don't care. Fuck you all.

>>48561904
talent freedom

inside sources say the contracts stipulated 1 stream a month. It was too much for 2 of the talents, and the other left because of personal grievances. More to come soon. I didn't sign an NDA either

>>48561971
talent freedom != independent contractor

sometimes it feels like im the only one without autism in these threads

>>48561779
>The contract, as I've stated, is YOUR property. You have a right to disclose YOUR property as you please. Whether the company says you can or can't, it's not going to stand ground in court.
Do you also think that you can disclose an NDA you sign?

>>48562023
Yes actually you can disclose that you signed an NDA and what it covers. People do this quite regularly in interviews to make it clear to the interviewer what questions they can and can't answer.

>>48562023
this person is the kinda of retard that leaks tank specs to war thunder discord.

>>48561957
the vshojo contract may not be awful, just the girls found being indie is better. their contract still may be better than holo, niji, phase, anyone else. given the way kson framed it in fewer words "my contract is fine, who has a better one tho?"

>>48561953
Nyan looks so disappointed in them kek

>>48561779
>hether the company says you can or can't, it's not going to stand ground in court.

yes I will stand up in court cuz you will literally agreed that if you violated the NDA you are subject to whatever finds and penalties are stated in the contract

they are still going

>>48561751
Isn't your wife all but confirmed to be taken?

>veispergs leave
>thilverfrogs leave
>nyangoslings leave
>we're now left with mousefags and lawfags
pain

>>48562061
and they have disclosed that there are thing they cannot talk about for legal reasons. weird they aren't saying EVERYTHING upfront

>>48562123
You still have us the jpfags :(

>>48562100
>you will literally agreed
eslfag

>if you violated the NDA you are subject to whatever finds and penalties are stated in the contract

as long as the stipulated items in the NDA do not violate existing laws and as long as the terms are not one sided and unclear.

>>48561625
>>48562020
I feel like I’m the only one with a job

post connor pics to scare way the tourist. kek

>>48562143
yeah and those things would be, internal dealings of the companies such as potential signing, personal lives of others, planned events, financials, etc. All of those things can have an impact on their decision as much as the pay.

>lol how do the girls get one guyed so much

Vshojo probably regretting those sham of auditions they held 2.5 years ago now.

>>48562229
yeah yeah this fags cant complain about mouse and nyan anymore.

Did vsj got one guy by a tourist?

>>48562020
I AM HARUKA

>>48562166
that esl person has better grasp at this situation than you do.

>>48562300
more like a group, looping their own shit.

>>48562306
I AM SPARTACUS!

>>48562215
>financials
even this would dissuade them from saying something. "well we found out said sponsor would pay more and vshojo is taking more of a cut being the middle man" not just "my deal was x% of sponsorship".

>>48562393
corporate financials and financials of other individuals in the company you tard

>>48562329
ok then i'll just start writing in my contracts that a person has to murder someone of my choosing every week and let me sleep with their wife while they take a bathroom break, and when they break the contract i'll fire and sue them, because that's how it works right? if it's in the contract the court has to agree.

only one woman(possibly man) trying to save it

https://twitter.com/Veibae/status/1653273024227885057
damn i wonder if anyone in 2021 thought vei will be publicly telling one of streaming OGs to sit
and that she could probably actually make him sit

>>48562459

>>48562480
vei isn't vsj or vsj+ /lig/

>>48562123
Now that you mention it, I haven't seen a typical Fernando post in a while.

I will forgive Silvervale if she uploads oviposition hentai to her Patreon.

>>48562459
(You) here, you happy now?

>>48562505
kys

>>48562164
no they don't, I'm just here so I don't get fined

>>48562505
>collabed this month
>not a +
roru
rumao

>>48562480
vei is the one in charge in that relationship

>>48562505
>Vei is a + through Nyan
>Nyan leaves so at best Vei is a + of a + or a ++
Sorry Veifags he's got a point it was nice knowing you but at least you got /lig/

>>48562459
>corporate financials and financials of other individuals in the company you tard
yes because disclosing how much the company is making on a sponsorship deal has nothing to do with the company financials. and financials of others in the company, you start talking about you know mouse is getting a better deal than nyan or silver, you're referencing financials of others. and again it was probably a stipulation of their previous contract to not publicly disclose certain pieces of info for so many days. it's obvious they talked internally about it and why they're all leaving.

>>48562480
https://twitter.com/Veibae/status/1653271977547661312
lol

>>48562459
you cannot have a contract that has someone required to violate the law, also I don't think any Court would actually enforce that contract. also why the fuck would you sign something that fucking retarded.

>>48562638
This inevitable breakup is gonna be uuuuuugly.

>>48562695
you are so right sister.

>>48562594
which vshojo did she collab with this month?

>>48562625
> disclosing how much the company is making on a sponsorship deal has nothing to do with the company financials
Do you even know what is in a contract?
They don't write a new contract for each talent for each sponsorship. The contract would stipulate that they receive x% or y dollars for any given sponsorship or that it would be determined at the time of the sponsorship.

>you start talking about you know mouse is getting a better deal than nyan or silver, you're referencing financials of others

never said they had to disclose if others in the company are making more a general statement of "others are making more" is perfectly acceptable.

>>48562695
that's my fucking point, you can write anything in an nda, if it violates the law it doesn't hold up. ipso facto if they write you can't discuss pay, and it is illegal for employers to forbid from discussing pay, you can discuss pay free of consequences.

>Welcome to /vsj+/! A thread to discuss VShojo, former members, and any Vtubers frequently associated with them.
Just noticed the last three OPs had "former members" sneakily added on.

>>48562893
op is vei cuck confirmed

>>48562831
He means VShowdown in April (probably forgot it's already May)

>>48562835
Something like 1/3 of people working in America have NDAs as part of their employment which are almost entirely unenforceable. That a practice that is overturned over 95% of the time when challenged in court is that widespread, it's not really any wonder that people have all kinds of folk beliefs about what they are and how they work.

>>48562893
some epic troll
jokes on him because nobody reads the OP anyways, I didn't even notice

>>48562835
never said it was per sponsorship, but if you mean to say all contracts for talent are the same. you're full of shit. there is no way mouse is getting the same cut at haruka for sponsorships. they're each at different levels and publicly disclosing those aside from stating "i was getting x% per deal" and everyone else doing the same. they won't do that because it looks bad to future employers. "they'll just blab about everything? nah gonna pass"

>>48562698
cope

>>48562893
Meh, we tried putting the actual former members section in the OP, then added it as an immediate 2nd post which seemed to go over better, and now this. People are gonna talk about the former members in here and there's literally no way to stop them, so why fight it.

>>48562469
Sorry but it's decided
Vshojo will burn
Not because of girls leaving or shitty contracts but because vsj posters were rude to my wife

Mouse has removed her hug emotes for Silver and Vei. The remaining ones are Monke, Nyan, Snuffy and Mel.

>>48563000
>but if you mean to say all contracts for talent are the same
no i literally do not mean that, i literally mean what i said
>there is no way mouse is getting the same cut at haruka for sponsorships
and your point is?
>they won't do that because it looks bad to future employers
unless the contract is awful

>>48563043
k

>>48563034
>cope
Look, all I am saying is that there are similar public tweets like this with her previous ones, and they look pretty sad and ugly in hindsight.

>>48563043
That was planned anyway. They're going to 7TV instead.

>>48562835
none of the girls are or former employees of vshojo and none of the contracts are employee contracts. the contracts that we're talking about are business contracts that are for the girls to give permission for vshojo to use the girl's IPS and exchange for various services and to outline what those services are and how are they executed

>>48562698
>breakup
you mean divorce

thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFcJmOs8DRQ

>>48562925
yes and yes

Pretty neat how Connor is in the perfect position. His "relationship" with mouse is know enough for him to get the benefit of being unavailable while being available. He probably moter boats shibuya kahos pussy every night. Beep beep !

>>48563040
who?

>>48563039
I'm the one that was making the former members second post, but I had to go to sleep and people stopped doing it so I stopped caring

>>48562968
I don't mind the update we already tried to banish the Veifags and Silverfags already but despite their constant "reee mousefag" spam apparently they actually deep down like us too much to leave and I guess that is alright the banter is fun.

>>48563130
so do about 90 other dudes. kaho is a well worn tire at this point. little tread left on that pussy

>>48563091
>none of the girls are or former employees of vshojo and none of the contracts are employee contracts. the contracts that we're talking about are business contracts that are for the girls to give permission for vshojo to use the girl's IPS and exchange for various services and to outline what those services are and how are they executed

Did you just like sneeze your brain out of your nose? I'm talking about an employment contract. And they are employees by the definition of independent contractor and employee in US employment law. Even if the company is using those contracts, Vshojo (a US corporation), must treat people are legally defined as employees, as (surprise!) employees.

>>48563155
Silver "vshojo killer" Vale

why haven't veifags made their own thread?

>>48563170
it's all too recent to draw any conclusions yet

>>48563040
Maybe your wife shouldn't have been such a petty bitch

>>48563187
>streamer is lazy
>fans are lazier

>>48563187
because they're too busy being cucked and coping to realize they're not vsj anymore

>>48563188
never heard of him

>>48563227

>>48563172
Why don't people that believe this whole family of folk medicine understand it would apply equally to having a lot of sex with one partner as it does to many different ones once or occasionally. Only one of those is somehow ever ruining them, or whatever. Not that any of it is real in the first place, but the obvious contradiction is so glaring.

>>48563187
>>48563243
Also because some of them understand if they started a vei thread it would have 4 unique posters and 404 before it hits 20 replies

>>48563170
There were very few Silverfags to begin with. Most people discussing Silver just came because of the various dramas she was in. When things die down, she won't be present here as usual.
Veifags will never leave lmao. She hasn't streamed in a month but still commands a large presence here.

God damn it, we already have the holofags creating useless split threads so they feel like they own the board. No vshoshit is falling apart. I pray to the annoying Orange in heaven all these heathens pass, and soon.

Post Zen

>>48563264
anon, she is on film being spit roasted many, many times over the years. and you mean to believe the only times that happened are the filmed ones? she's probably been in more gangbangs than you can count

>>48563255
You will when she'll be there for gunrun filing for corporate dissolve

I see the sensitive white boys are back in vsj+

>>48563364
cope

>>48563264
People believe the former, while the girl they financial provide for, or gf, gets railed by bbc and bad dragon dildos, then they get there monthly commies and say "damn babe your pussy was so tight I came in record time"

>>48563390
Mhm

>>48563175
this is where things are fucking up in this conversation. vshojo has an image problem. according to what was said when vshojo first debuted it was described as a talent agency that the girls hired to represent them and to manage some of the back-end stuff so they can focus on streaming. the girls never worked for vshojo and weren't even independent contractors, vshojo worked for the girls. The contracts between vshojo and the girls was more or less stuff to outline Revenue splits for merchandise and sponsorships also to outline what type of services vshojo will provide to the girls and exchange for exchange and using the girl's IPs

>>48563324
I was just posting vei because these wannabe lawyers won't go away
I could switch to zen

>>48563457
yeah i get it, but it doesn't change the legal definition of an employee

>>48563360
>has never seen Jav before
Or
>thinks jav actors actually have sex and sound lime that

>new contract just asked them to stream 3 times a week
>this made silver, vei and nyanners leave
kek

>>48563501
kaho literally was on japanese escort websites

"hurr durr but no penetration law in japan"
1. anal
2. it gets violated all the time

>>48563324
Zen will save us...
right?

>>48563535
It wouldn't surprise me.
Women are dumb as fuck.

>>48563565
I don't doubt that.
You're just dumb for thinking those gangbangs are real. Or want them to be real to fit what ever narrative your trying to sell.

>>48563535
If I had to guess what the sticking points for each of the girls were. Silver was probably demanding guarantees that she gets an x amount of sponsorships and support on certain things like the music she's been producing. vei was most likely talking to soda and realize that her Revenue split was garbage and requested a better Revenue split. as for nyan I have no fucking idea?

>>48563565
or they take a weekend trip to mainland china and just get ran through the whole time stacking scenes to be released over time

>>48563324
Yuniiho tiddies.

>>48563702
>vei was most likely talking to soda and realize that her Revenue split
Revenue split? I thought vshojo doesn't take revenue splits with their talent's twitch earnings?

>>48563553
What's she planning to do with those guns in a crowded public space?

>>48563681
the jizz being plastered on her face in many scenes isn't real guys, it's all propaganda. those are all fake dicks she's sucking and fucking.

>>48563754
there's a revenue split for the merch and sponsorships that was said at the beginning

>>48563681
ok buddy baka

>>48563754
anon, everyone's talking out of their ass
truth is nobody knows

>>48563754
Then wtf is the contract for?
Fun?

>>48563763
Just come cheeky lil fun

>>48563781
Pretty sure there's no revenue split either with the merchandise because Vshojo takes 100% all earnings from the merch.

>>48563775
although the other anon is fucking moron for thinking they're not actually having sex, they do use a lot of fake cum in porn

japan used to supplement it with other guys doing it and making it look like one guy (as kaho actually has said in an interview), but they use fake shit now mostly.

>>48563805
>Then wtf is the contract for?
Hey tourist, you need to learn how contracts works first before shitposting in this thread.

>>48563821
some may have a "stream x hours" before that takes effect, but who knows.

idgaf about the contract meme drama, but it reminds me:
NDAs are extremely unethical in almost all circumstances
sunlight is the best disinfectant

>>48563917
non-competes too

>>48563857
oh i know they use a lot of fake cum, but denying she's an actual ran through whore is laughable

>>48563775
Honestly , there is probably more real jizz in your frosty then in jav.
Japanese dudes don't cum.
They're the next step in evolution for cuck white males.its true look it up

>>48563859
Oh neat a tourist calling people tourists
Bingo!

>>48563899
>stream x hours
it would go against everything vshojo is
also they don't get money from streams so it doesn't make much sense
maybe something indirect, like a certain number of enforced sponsorships per month, but I doubt it

>>48563821
the girls do come off as kind of stupid at times but I don't think any of them are that stupid to give vshojo a 100% of merch. also if vshojo is getting a 100% of merch Revenue where the fuck did all that money go and why the fuck haven't they been able to expand their staff.

>>48563941
Lol why are you so upset.
Okay jezz she's a whore and no one wants her pussy, you win fuck.
Let's get back to what the board should be about.
Legal disputes.

>>48564030
it's literally a term in every sponsorship.

Play x game y hours.

>>48563702
Judging by the info that has come out. The major point seems to be that what Vshojo was asking for was simply not worth the services that they offer.
And that they did not intend to increase the services provided to meet the requests of the talent.

>>48564047
>I don't think any of them are that stupid to give vshojo a 100% of merch
I dunno man, that's what kson said when she introduced Vshojo to her JP audience.

Silver contract said she has to watch one piece

>>48564096
>what Vshojo was asking for was simply not worth the services that they offer

or people were whispering in their ear that that's the case

>>48563917
Nah, to many sleezy jews out there that would yoink shit from under you if it weren't for NDA

>>48564085
I was talking about the vshojo contract. not the sponsor

This contract autism is making my head hurt.

>>48564133
the person you're responding to was talking about the sponsorship not vshojo

>>48564146
There's no one streaming because they don't want to be asked if they or others are leaving because of failed contract negotiations.
This will continue until everyone is confirmed /in/ or /out/

>>48564099
I hope that's a Miss translation because holy fuck Vshojo would be doing the girls dirty or at least kson

here's a tl;dr of what happened using Occam's razor:

1. Everyone joined vshojo at the start of their upswing
2. Everyone enjoyed great perks of retaining their IP as well as huge amounts of growth and a sense of community
3. Everyone's growth started to slow and some got bf's the the all girls party started to drift apart
4. ironmouse continued to grow massively while the others only grew slightly
5. one particular streamer was jelly af
6. one particular streamer was lazy af
7. one particular streamer went from top to normie shit
8. all three left because they need to figure out a way to make money without any more growth.

>>48564244
>no one streaming
nazuna is live tho

>>48564269
>mass marketing in a high growth market in exchange for merch sales

pretty good deal if people are actually subbing/donating to you

what is silver using this model for in VRC? Ive never seen it on stream before

>>48564269
No, I don't think that's a mistranslation. Every merch deal that happened where Vshojo is involved, they take 100% of the earnings from that. If the merch deal happened where Vshojo wasn't involved, all the earnings goes to the talent.

I'm actually surprised this thread doesn't know this. Did any of you even watch kson's stream at the time?

>>48564290
is she tho?

>>48564362
well her account is live, she's been dead inside for about 2 years

>>48564357
idk if this is the full story though, because they clearly created some new ip for nazuna. cause i'm not really sure why she would maintain both.

>>48564269
No, it's a Mr. Translation.

Also it's bullshit and you should ignore it. Kson did not say they take "100% of merch sales". She said VShojo makes money from merch and sponsors, same as every other girl has said, but never once has anybody said VShojo takes ALL the money from merch.

>>48564467
>cause i'm not really sure why she would maintain both.
literally no one knows why this is happening.

>>48564471
>Kson did not say they take "100% of merch sales"
Yeah she only said they take all of it pretty sure.

>>48564467
They didn't create Nazuna's IP. Keyfags have harped on this for months; she did it on her own with her own money and feedback from the fans. WHY she wants a separate Nazuna IP from Soap Cat I can't answer and neither can they.

>>48564556
she's dumb enough to think she needs to make something new to escape to instead of still being nazuna because how most vtube agencies work.

>>48564556
Pretty sure they said it's because Miguel has a lot of antis so she was hoping Nazuna would be free of them

new ai nyan cover
https://youtu.be/jLF6eyCQ0AA

>>48564305
that's a horrible fucking deal, even if they're just getting like 10 or 20% of the revenue from merch that would dwarf subbing/donating. Jesus, do you know what made George Lucas rich? It wasn't the Star Wars films themselves, it was merch.

oh no no no

>>48564724
it's true 10% of a $50 product is still $5, some push more merch than they move in subs. but given this may be their first contract renewal, the initial one may have been signed under the assumption that the lower merch revenue would go to expanding the org with new members (to cover signing bonuses etc). its all speculation but it seems they expected more growth than what happened

>>48564842
I kneel Yagoo

>>48564547
They have upfront costs that they tell the talent about before they start making anything. They get the first bit of sales to cover those costs, and then 15% after that. If something doesn't sell much, then that could mean the org takes almost 100%, but if you're Mouse or anyone that sells well, it's barely even a factor.

>>48565000
Nobody knows what the numbers are, but regardless you have Vei who:

-Never streams
-Never promotes merch
-Never does sponsors

How Vei makes any money at all I can't fathom. The other girls at least promote merch and some do sponsors.

>>48564547
>Vshojo makes money in two ways. First, doing and distributing merchandises for her and taking a cut
>Second, they take a cut from sponsorship deals that they get her
https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/vr8iku/summary_of_ksons_vshojo_answers_stream/

>>48565212
how about just watching the stream instead of relying on summaries

>>48565167
she had decent numbers both subs and ccv to have her merch move regardless. the amount of veifags still hanging here shows there is a market

>>48564724
so you're saying going from 500 subscribers a month, to 6000+, in less than 2 years, in exchange for merch is a bad deal

LEL

New veiSway 7tv emote already farming the socially tone deaf chatters who fill chats with it and kill all conversation just like veiO back before everyone blacklisted it

>>48565418
vei is not vsj or vsj+

>>48565379
based

>>48565418

>>48565443

>>48565418
>>48565457

>>48565443
judging by the way silver and vei both worded it (mostly silver since vei hasn't said much). the full term of their contract is not up yet, but the renewals came before the end date. they could still have another month or two of being actual vsj on paper

>>48565371
>so you're saying going from 500 subscribers a month, to 6000+, in less than 2 years, in exchange for merch is a bad deal

yes. It's stupid on how much money merch generates even taking a small percent would easily dwarf subs and donos

>>48565537
>i have speculation so i'm right
nope, off to /lig/

>>48565418
This will be used on a court case some years down the line

>>48565550
my point is they wouldn't have that "massive" merch sales if it weren't for the company that moved them from 500 to 6000

>>48565594
This desu. There wouldn't be any merch in the first place without Vshojo.

>>48565644
that is not the case at all Mel, Silver, and Zen all had merch before vshojo. I think even Mouse had a Daki and Boobie mouse pad

>>48565754
you really didn't just respond to this taking it literally

>>48565754
Yeah except it wasn't selling as well as you say it would at the time because, they had shit all audience compared to now. How did they get their audience now? By forgoing profit on something they weren't profiting on, and letting the company grow them. Otherwise they'd still be 500 sub whomegaluls

>>48565851
and the company squandered the money and they'll go down in views, so what was the point of vshojo? covid did most of the heavy lifting for viewers

>>48565851
you are overestimating how much impact vshojo had on their growth. they already had a pretty substantial growth rate pre-vshojo

>>48565904
but it didn't so your point is moot.
>>48565936
they were 1000 viewer andy's and instantly went up to 3000 with the announcement of vshojo. seriously, you're a tard

>>48565936
>they already had a pretty substantial growth rate pre-vshojo
Then why join Vshojo in the first place then? Because that substantial growth rate wasn't enough for them, obviously.

>>48565087
So many kk images yet so less porn of it. Why?! Is vsj+ that much of a vanilla?!

>>48566076
The actual KK anon does porn all the time

>>48565249
Direct quotes from Kson from her stream:
>If you want to support VShojo, check out the merch they're selling!
>The way VShojo earns money is through the merch they sell.
Nowhere does it say they take 100% of merch

>>48566107
C-care to share?

>>48566117
are you fags still on this? who fucking cares?

>>48566039
Vshojo was supposed to be there to provide support like managing some of the back-end stuff like negotiating contracts with modelers and riggers or providing tech support, lining up sponsors, commissioning and selling merch so the girls can just focus on streaming

soju moment

>>48566165
Yes, and which is why Vshojo was a big part of their growth in the first place.