/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>48477202
Oh I know that guy, been orbiting in the community for a while.

>>48477202
>Paid to keep quiet
>But didnt sign an NDA
Holy shit gunrun and melody are retarded

>>48477202
Nux dickrider

>>48477202
>evanit0
Nux anituber butt buddy, fuck off

>>48477202
>Source trust me bro

>>48477202
why are nuxfags still this desperate

>>48477202
>said he saw someone sign a contract without reading it and it absolutely fucked them over
Vei basically posted about this right after she left the company

>>48477496
Maybe but it's kind of an asshole thing to do.

>>48477426
Wasn't he Connor's editor for quite some time?

>>48477202
Whether any of this is true or not, he wouldn't be saying it AT ALL if they made him sign an NDA. Why the fuck did they not make him sign one?

>>48477202
Lmao they are still mad about that like Nux getting dunked on out existence

>>48477651
Haruka? Or maybe a recent talent joined but hasn't debuted yet and she got played.

>asshurt vsjniggers seething about based nux blowing them the fuck out again
you love to see it

>>48477202
>pinky swear i'll tell you something spicy if ironmouse leaves
>oh she's not leaving? that's too bad :^)
thanks for wasting my time retard

>>48477820
Ironlung is out soon:
https://www.twitch.tv/ironmouse/video/1807659187?t=27m03s

>>48477202
>These Rich people could make me disappear
Black man saw jews in their natural environment for the first time and was absolutely SHOOK

>>48477202
This is just a trust me bro story kek

Is this the black dude that got paid to react by Nijisanji?

>>48477764
His main editor for a long time.

>>48477566
>>48477608
>>48477649
Vshitshow shills in full damage control mode

>>48477202
without any shred of evidence, I'd rather believe lying whores than this nigger

ITT:
>trust me bro
>trust me bro
>trust me bro
I do.

>>48477202
"Trust me bro I have info. I'm not under any contract not to talk about it, but I'm not gonna talk about it, but I have it!"

>>48477202
Truly the blackest of companies.

>>48477875
Nijiniggers are trying to sabotage our friends at VShojo, we need to stand together as the Holo-Shojo alliance.

>>48477202
>I was in [meeting] with [people] and I got scareed
>also, the company takes a percentage of the income of the streamer, you know, like in any company

>>48477496
Actually the chances are if the NDA contract said 'you get 100k, you keep quiet' and they got 100k, then even if they didn't sign it it is probably enforceable, unless they clarified they weren't signing and sent the 100k back.

>vshojo auditions were a scam
It's been two years, no shit.

Looking at the event website, the CEOs were likely from Vshojo, PhaseConnect, and Nijisanji. Probably others in there as well, but hololive was completely absent from this event.

>>48477853
>Leaving vshojo?
>Guys! I'm still in contract negotiations.
>Uh, no.
Hardly definitive. And would it kill her to have a consistent model?

>>48478044
????

>>48477202
>https://files.catbox.moe/xpyzxl.mp4
>vshojo claims they hired people who were smaller vtubers..i don't think that ever happened
They don't claim that? Vtubers being hired is public. What is he talking about?

>>48478132
swapping models constantly confuses the super AIDS

>>48478186
He means the auditions never happened, ie, Vshoujo is 100% nepotism

>>48477764
>>48477882
Doesn't surprise me. Trash sticking together

>>48477863
The Kanye pill

>>48478044
>Holo-Shojo alliance
Imagine even considering that after Veibae and Nyanners ragged on your corpo to the cheers of thousands

>>48477978
>oy vey this is like another shoah!
Delicious nuxkike butthurt

>>48478132
The models have nothing to do with vshojo they buy them themselves

>>48477853
god that's an ugly fucking model

>>48478186
He's probably trying to talk about how VShojo did this grand open audition with all the talents saying shit like "Anyone can join! Just apply!" then they mentioned they had thousands of applicants, kept quiet about it for 1 and a half years then just did more nepotism hires.

Why do people hate nux so much

what the fuck does this guy even do? i can't imagine fucking anybody would want to work with him on anything considering he's just spilling everybody's business

>>48478300
He dumped Evan at least 2 years ago at this point.

>>48478275
It did, there's multiple high profile vtubers who said they auditioned and were turned down.

>>48478421
"""vtuber""" male with ironic weeb audience who shows up uninvited and uses them for clickbait content videos he was in the right with the vshojo drama tho

>>48478421
he's an annoying fag, cringe, worst type of person in the weeb community. i think a better question would be why the fuck does anyone like him

>>48478044

>>48477496
Word of mouth can act as legally binding contract if you can provide evidence that it happened, and a monetary transaction can act as evidence for it.

>>48478649
He didn't take any money.

>>48477202
So now that its pretty much confirmed Nyanners lied and Nux was 100% in the correct. Will she get consequences?

>>48478576
>why the fuck does anyone like him
He's Batman with the personality of Joker

>>48478576
I don't like him but he was completely in the right with the doxxing incident and it made Vshojo out to be incompetent snakes.

>>48478576
kids watch him

>>48478751
>Nyanners lied
about what?

>>48478731
No, but most likely he heard any of the shit he knows from someone who did and is under NDA which means someone somewhere is in fucking trouble and that's why he nuked the VOD.

>>48478751
Learn English you dumb SEAnigger, and Nyanners was absolutely in the right in sending the kike to the anime gas chambers

>>48478751
The fumble wasn't with pink cat or nux, it was with the cybersecurity and behind-the-scenes vshojo people but no one cares about that because they'd rather argue that their team is less retarded and unlikeable than the other.

This dude is a massive drama fag. He also has beef with OTV.
https://old.reddit.com/r/offlineTV/comments/vox0n4/some_people_are_taking_toast_seriously/

>>48478824
>completely in the right
You never actually watched his video did you?

>>48477496
This guy said he wasn't paid. Probably heard from a friend who was involved but he was never involved himself

>>48478576
I liked his analysis videos before the vtuber boom but besides that I'm not interested in the clickbait content he does now

>>48478824
>completely in the right
>doxxers release a video mocking him

>>48478920
>people did get doxxed from the auditions since there is no cybersecurity team and they never warned that the people auditioning were being targeted by a fake vshojo email adress despite knowing about it for months
>the ones that did get hired never went through the auditions and were nepotism hires
Nyanners lied about everything so far

>>48478990
The video being melodramatic garbage is beside the point, Vshojo kept quiet about a doxxing scam that they knew was going on and Nux called them out for it. And then they thanked Nux for making the video and never actually told him not to release the video, so he did, and then they lied about it, and he called them out again.

>>48479086
You got that video by any chance?

>>48479148
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa0tdecwz84

NUX WON
NUX WON
NUX WON
NUX WON

>>48479128
Thats why she dipped LMAO

>>48479147
It wasn't just "melodramatic garbage". Nux legit thought he was some damn crusading hero who got one over on the evil doxxers and by all evidence and accounts he did fucking nothing but get played like a fiddle by people who were way smarter than he was. The doxxers were laughing and mocking him after the fact. He didn't do a god damn thing except inflate his ego and piss people off.

>>48479183
Based as fuck.

>>48479128
you forgot
>whoops we never actually told Nux not to release the video, gunrun made a fucksie wucksie and forgot to tell us that key detail, sorry Nux teehee

>>48479323
That is in this post she lied about >>48478751

>>48477863
Are blacks being antisemites a new thing?

>>48479128
>2 people doxxed
>1 was intentional (nux)
>>48479323
they never explicitly said no, but if you aren't retarded you could read between the lines in those convos.

>>48479314
Also I don't know what's worse, this dude's voice, or the fact that Nux got dunked on by a what sounds like a high schooler or a severely autistic person.

>>48479294
>The doxxers were laughing and mocking him after the fact.
>yet they didn't dox anyone anymore after that
Clearly the doxxers were too good to continue doing it anymore.

It's fine to think Nux is an annoying faggot, but how can ANYONE possibly defend how the Vshojo girls and tech specialist/management handled the situation?

>>48479128
people did get doxxed, nyanners was also swatted. she has nothing to do with the hires

>>48477202
>that third webm
>”READ NIGGA” personified

>>48479502
>they never explicitly said no
Shame that's what they said they said
And they were dealing with Nux who was retarded so they should've been explicit and they weren't

>>48477202
Before I watch those clips. Who even is this guy and what credibility does he have?

>>48477999
yeah it pretty much is just "bro trust me!"
>the things I know could take them down
>but I'm never gonna tell you unless ironmouse leaves vshojo
>I was invited to a meeting with a bunch of CEOs at offkai who were doing illegal shit
>but I'm never gonna tell you because I'm scared for my life
>but all this totally happened guys

>>48479578
>nyanners was also swatted
no she wasn't

>>48478044
No

>>48478421
>Why do people hate nux so much
I don't know he is very harmless

>>48479631
and you know that how?

>>48479631
She was, she only revealed it recently. It was during a cookie run kingdom sponsor in october, which was a month before the nux stuff went down.

>>48478614
Based

>>48477202
oh boy, things are getting interesting again

Would explain why holo is absent from offkai. The way they tweet at ame is shady too.

save these videos

>>48479750
>oh boy, things are getting interesting again
no they aren't there is so much "trust me bruh" I'm starting to get bored of this

>>48479502
10 people were confirmed to have been doxxed. Nyanners said it was ZERO and it never happened. She lied and now we have confirmation they paid people to shut them up

>>48478421
I just liked when he played Yugioh

>>48477853
>shitty bae rip off
i know it's in her name but has she ever had mouse ears?

>>48479863
no, her signature has always been pink hair and horns

>>48479856
source?

>>48479974
>>48477202
>>48477202
>>48477202

>>48479856
>confirmation
>source: nux friend with zero evidence
Not even a shill but this is pathetic.

>>48479834
Bully Mouse into leaving V-Shojo and then call him out to spill the beans then, damn.

>>48480002
"trust me bruh" is source?

>>48478751
Nux was right all along huh?

>>48479500
Das rite, newfag

>>48477202
Holy shit is that Kyo?

>>48478491
He said small you respond high profile why can nobody read

>>48479557
They only got 2 people to bite in the first place in over (at that point) a year. Some nobody and Nux. Everybody else was smart enough not to fall for it. What a victory.

>>48478491
everyone was turned down, it was sham audition. it was made to look like they were expanding so that they can attract unicorn investment. froot and the deer girl only got in through nepotism.

>>48479578
That was unrelated to the Nux shit. Nyanners has been a target of doxxers for years and they succeeded in doxxing her again right about the time Nux got involved. It was this and being SWATted that got her so riled up when Nux exposed everything.

The thing I took away from all of this is that you should all LIKE and SUBSCRIBE so his CHANNEL CAN GROW

>>48479294
>Warns people about a deceitful and shitty company
>NOOOOOO you can’t do that!
The corpo-shills are really out in force today, atleast we know what Gunrun is spending all that investor money on i guess.

>>48479502
Vshitshow didn't want it revealed because it made them look bad, that is no reason for him to drop the video. The only threat to any talents was vshojo. In that situation Nux would have every reason to release the info exactly like he did and Vshojo to attack him with lies to save face and later recant them which they did

>>48480191
We wus Nazis nshiet

>>48477651
Yeah she tweeted about it. Wonder who was dumb enough to sign.
>>48477786
This was during OffKai last year so wouldn't be Haruka.

>>48480212
kek

>>48479606
EvanIt0 - video editor who has worked for several people including CDawgVA. Is a friend of Nux's and about the only guy who stood up for him during the doxxing VShojo beef. Was dumped by Connor as an editor and apparently lost his friendship with Mousey over being Nux's lapdog.

Credibility: questionable. While as an editor he'd know quite a few people and have a lot of conversations, Evan is a bit of a dramafaggot and has sparked some beef with others beyond VShojo such as OTV. After listening to the videos he's basically promising a big game but delivers nothing, despite praising Gunrun and the people at VShojo while simultaneously making them seem like the people who ran the sex house in the film Eyes Wide Shut.

>>48478421
for the same reason the joker hates the batman
nux is both by the way

>>48480279
froot was in when vshojo launched
where do you retards even come from?

>>48479500
It's not new, but it's becoming more common.

>>48480411
He didn't warn people about VShojo you tard, he warned people about the doxxers and then made a grand ass of himself in the process. He didn't out VShojo for shit.

>>48480568
OTV, you mean the shitshow of a company that helped to cover up and then minimize an actual rape by one of the friends of their company? They literally changed their company name to try and dodge their reputation it was so bad

>>48480894
That was OTK.

>>48480568
yeah evanito is a dramafag, I remember him making a big fuss about some other drama that made him seem like a whiny asshole, can't remember what it was about though

>>48479704
Can you prove she wasn't lying like she was caught lying here? >>48478751

>>48481263
If I'm being charitable I can see 1, maybe 2 "lies". and her talking about receiving heavy harassment she had to keep quiet about that year only adds validity to it.

>vshojo mod unstickied the announcement because he was scared the people are finally waking up and realizing the truth about vshojo
MANY SUCH CASES

>>48477863
this reminds me of famous Gawr Gura quote "Kanye is not the real enemy"

y'all losin your fuckin minds over nothing the reality of everything that is happening is the most mundane corpo shit

>>48480929
My bad, there's so many rapist streamers it's hard to keep track. OTV did have a Pokimane accuse someone in the company of sexual misconduct and they kicked him out, then a close friend of OTV, Arcadum, also got accused of sexual misconduct. Then in a shitfliging fight between streamers a member of OTK was accused of covering up sexual assault. Wonder why people consider Male Vtubers to be creeps

>>48479500
their golem is waking up to their antics oy vey

>>48477202
Based black guy exposing black companies

>>48478044
>Holo-Shojo alliance
I'm going to enjoy watching your company dwindle to shreds

>>48478044
bro this is kinda sad lol

>>48477202
do you have the full VOD?

>>48477202
>>48477651
So it turns out Vshojo was a black company? Did too much greed makes the CEO destroy the biggest vtuber agency of the western world?

>>48478132
I fucking hate that. Snuffy does that too.

>>48479500
Now that ytey became submissive they're noticing that the big wigs are all long nosed

>>48479863
Yes, in a couple of her models.

>>48479500

>>48478044
And people here have the balls to label Phasecucks as the beggars...

>>48482768
https://gofile.io/d/ccYwqN

>>48483535
Kek

>>48477202
if auditions were a scam this makes the doxxing website that nux taku unearthed even worse
If they never expected to accept any applicants then what the fuck was even going on with that, why did they all pretend nux was the bad guy and that "doxxing incoming talents is totally ok and based as long as they dont doxx us, and by reporting on it you might make them doxx us too so dont" retarded argument ironshill and the others did and the twitter simps just rolled along with.
Rather than le epic hack man, it makes more sense now that the doxxing of talents was done intentionally to poison them inhouse from joining rival organisations

Who else is a fan of a corpo and is laughing at Vshojo's downfall? Vshojo had been the dominant "Western" vtuber group for a while now, it's only due judgement that they fall and burn. This has made my day because I know this is the first step in repairing the tubing sphere in the west. Vtubers only work well under a leash. Vshojo showed that "talent freedom" does more harm than good.

>>48478751
>this doxxer guy is doxxing and harrassing people
>so im going to help the doxxer incase he doxxes and harrasses me
>i see absolutely no hypocrisy in this cause im a dumb fucking vtweeter white woman

>>48477608
>>48477566
does that mean nux can say it?

>>48483937
Nature is healing.

>>48477202
>the CEOs gave the girls like $50k to build their business, which seems super illegal
This is literally standard in the entertainment industry, this dude doesn't know shit

>>48477782
>haha we saved the based doxxer guys
>we won!
>wait

>>48483937
But who will take their spot? Phase or Idol?

>>48483937
hmm yes except the part where all these girls were successful before and will continue to be successful without Vshojo

>>48483937
>Vshojo had been the dominant "Western" vtuber group for a while now

>>48483937
Indies will dominate the western vtuber scene. Complete freedom. Off the leash.

>>48484942
yes
hololive and nijisanji are not western

>>48484957
oh yes I love bottom of the barrel react content. nothing makes my day like watching masterchef with some anime girl talking over it

>>48478369
vshitshow is funded by glonigs
aka kikdefence central hq
cope you trash

>>48484957
You wish. There is now nothing stopping full on Idol only content, as it should be. Enjoy.

>>48483296
why do they change the models so much? just fucking stick to your character and get different outfits if you want. stick to your fucking brand, idiot! is it that fucking hard to know how to grow? a revamp, or glow-up model is one thing, but when every model is so different from each other, you're just making it harder for people to keep track of you

>>48484942
Considering what >>48485048 said, yes they are. I mean, if you can pay a circlejerk event to give several awards to your talents, you kind of can say you are dominating. But not for long, I wouldn't be suprised if Vshojo stop activities this year.

>>48478044
I am pretty sure Shojo's whole shtick is "we are sooooooo different from Hololive. And we are more daring than Nijisanji. Talent Freedom!!"

>>48478126
Events what?

>>48485595
Offkai as in the orgy that the guy in the OP participated in

>>48485226
whores have already won EN vtubing, may as well stick to your JPs

>>48485652
The orgy? Wasn't this the same guy that was whining on twitter because vtuber girls wouldn't invite him back to their air bnb to party?

>>48478421
>dramafag
>annoying voice
I don't despise him but I don't like him neither, I put him slightly below neutral in the friend or foe scale

>>48478198
Makes sense.

>>48485302
>Snuffy
>fat roastie now entering the period of her life where she feels the need to reinvent herself every few months
Many such cases.

>>48485652
Sorry, didn't bother to open the video, but isn't OffKai not until June? Or is this for previous OffKai?

>>48478421
>Design is based on Bleach and Persona 5
That alone makes me hate him.

>>48483937
>>48485048
No dumbfuck, COVER is still the biggest on the west, Gura is the most subbed, Mori got a contract with Universal Studios, Niji has a couple of the "biggest" male vtubers on the west, Vshojo never was never trying to compete with Hololive, they try to took jab at holo everytime they could and try to took the scarps after some talents graduated, and than try to spin this retarded "TaLENt FrEedOm" and now they're imploding because 100% doesn't work and if you believe that (You) are a fucking braindead retard mouthbreathing fuck, like kson said this is BUISSNESS you are NEVER "free" to do whatever you want, a buisness thrives when there's discipline and respect, and its so fucking cringe that this stupid retard say "if I got offer more money than of course I'm leaving" no fucking company want a fucker who doesn't care about everyone trying to make something successful, and some retards are so fucking stupid because their fucking rat brains can't understand buisness.

>>48485737
Nah I am pretty sure that was a different guy. There would be hella lot more discussion if he is the one.

>>48485925
>Vshojo never was never trying to compete with Hololive
Yes they were. Their whole rationale for why vtubers should join Vshojo was "Hololive bad" and I'd bet you a million dollars that 99% of the "Hololive bad Vshojo good" threads posted on /vt/ were astroturf coming directly form Vshojo.

>>48485874
I thought it was based on Undertale.

>>48487085
Even more faggoty if true

>>48485852
My guy I literally cannot imagine how you could assume he's talking about an event that has not yet happened. The fact that he is talking about a previous Offkai, rather than a future one, should go without saying.

I was at the secret CEO meeting too. Yagoo fucked Riku in the ass while whispering "I will steal the homo En market from you".
Harrowing stuff.

based black man
some of you niggas are alright

it's because nyanners is pregnant

>>48485055
I hate vshojo but swap master chef for a good show or movie and I'm down for that.

>>48486258
I wouldn't put it beyond them, they're all fuckers expect IronMouse she is just dumb she's aight.

>>48477202
>Also said he saw someone sign a contract without reading it and it absolutely fucked them over.
Is this why Nazuna couldn't stream on Youtube?

>>48487888
>expect IronMouse
except but also wrong. She is just as bad if not worse.

>>48487888
>lying about being a cripple and deathly ill for a decade
>aight

>>48488295
every single en vshojo member is a bad person, and debatable on one of the jp member

>>48483937
Which begs the question, what even was the point of Vshojo at the end of the day? If it was about "talent freedom" then the girls were already that when they were indies before joining, if it was about money then then girls themselves were also already making a ton more when they were indies without having to share a cut with the the company. So then it was merch deals, sponsorships and 3D concerts? Which only a couple took advantage of to my knowledge. The whole business model seems like it was never suppose to last and pretty much sets up the girls to just leave after a year or 2.

>>48477202
Is there any actual merit to this or are people taking it at face value because they want vshojo to burn out of spite?

>>48488621
What do you think?

>>48485302
The worst part is only like 2? out of the 3 million models she has actually look good

>>48485048
I have this urge to stab you in the ear right now.

>>48483208
>VShojo bad!
>But Gunrun and everybody at VShojo is so nice
Evan is talking out of both sides of his mouth.

>>48478044
I don't think I would work alongside people who openly try to fuck over their talents

>>48477202
Can you imagine being Pikamee or Akari and your friend Kson tried to rope you into joing this company?

>>48483937
What the fuck even is "talent freedom" getting them is my question? What is the operation of vshojo even like? This entire situation has made the entire inner workings of vshojo all the more peculiar as a result.

>>48478044

>>48489205
Kson with her genius life decisions cant possibly be wrong right?
... right?

>>48478044
Get your filthy vthot hands off me, I'd take Nijinigggers any day of the week over Vshitjo

>>48485055
>https://files.catbox.moe/jwyu49.mp4
And watching them play video games is so much better, right? Lol

>>48489205
Just like that friend that tries to drag you into a mlm scheme

>>48488889
She could've kept her OG model with costumes here and there and she would of been 100x better off. Everything I've seen since has been nothing but downgrades.

>>48490200
>male loving male scheme
are you talking about tempus?

>>48478576
he's literally vtuber leafy

>>48489205
inb4 pikamee already signed the contract before this happened kek, vei did imply some dumbass signed the contract without looking at it

https://youtu.be/1uYWYWPc9HU
Unironic theme for vshojo

>>48490594
That was Nazuna. A western corpo like Vshojo is not going create a legal document in Japanese. She was shafted because of her inability to read English. She probably went off the graces of Kson, but was horribly misled by her grifter "friend"

>>48478421
Cause he is massive a dramafag and attentionwhore. Even Logan Paul aint as bad as this dude.

>>48490186
At leas that's more interesting than just fucking sitting and doing nothing but talking retard lol.

>>48490725
Kson and her "what is good for me is good for everyone else" mentality is what's making her look like a worse person overall. Vshojo may have solved Kson's problems but was clearly not what Nazuna needed

>>48477202
this is all very much known if you are a vtuber on the scene, we all talk. Those who made it to the second audition round got paid $100 to shut up it wasn't even enough but everyone is scared of ruining their career and saying something

>>48490725
>Generally, when two parties enter into a contract, they are both expected to understand and agree to the terms of the contract. However, there are situations where one party may not be able to read or understand the terms of the contract, such as if they have a disability or if they do not speak the language in which the contract is written.
>In such cases, it is the responsibility of the other party to ensure that the terms of the contract are explained clearly and that the individual is given an opportunity to ask questions and seek legal advice before signing.
she may have a out if what is said is true

>IRyS watched Rust with e-celebs & homos and finds it hilarious
>chat spams about dudes

and I thought it will be a good day

>>48491302
What Nazuna needs is some amount of mental health and nobody is gonna give that to her until she actively seeks help

That aside, she could either struggle along as Indie or join the only Corpo that she didn't burn bridges with - and she chose the latter

If anything, she can be grateful for getting a second chance at all

>>48478421
Because he is a fucking attentionwhore drama baiting bastard that has the most retarded views on vtubers and spreads misinformation left and right to a wide audience. He being right about the Vshoujo situation doesn't make him a good content creator or source of news or whatever. He is pure cancer. But see it for yourself, there is plenty of his retarded takes, views, misinformation, etc, in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ7xbVk2UhU

>>48485308
So how much in bribes do you think they paid out to get those awards?

>>48491445
If you're feeling dangerous, could you share some info on what Silver and/or Mouse are like to people behind the scenes?

>>48490347
Mid Level Marketing, aka a Pyramid Scheme.

>>48477202
Their founder has massive pull at Twitch, and so they were massively favored over the rest. That kind of nepotism makes me think that there was other shady stuff going on too, and, as stupid as Silver was burning bridges, what she said could mean that there was internal favoritism and drama as well.

>>48492897
>what she said could mean that there was internal favoritism and drama as well
I think the contracts would be different between talents, some got more favourable deals for being more valuable to the brand. That's how I square away Kson being such a staunch defender of Vshojo while things fall apart, she received a very favourable deal to get her on board but the girls who are leaving probably didn't get the same red-carpet treatment with their contracts.

>>48493040
>That's how I square away Kson being such a staunch defender of Vshojo while things fall apart
I hear people say that's just how she is. She will never say whatever current thing she is a part of is bad until after she leaves it and then only will proceed to bad mouth or criticize it.

>>48492897
I mean, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that a considerable amount of resources are going into the hard hitters for the company: Ironmouse and Kson.

>>48493832
Smart lass.

>>48488589
>Which begs the question, what even was the point of Vshojo at the end of the day?
The "point of Vshoujo" is that they take a cut to use for marketing, promotion, merchandise, et cetera and then just fucking steal it and leave you high and dry. This is why the updated contracts for renewal are such an issue for people who've been in the company paying in and are being told that they're not getting shit back and they have to deal with it or leave.

>>48485302
ironmouse does it because she can't leave her bubble and wants to dress up, and her only outlet is her model
it would be better if she had a single model with new outfits rather than a completely new model every week, though

>>48485302
do you remember the Ramona Flowers era? same shit but instead of dying their hair a wnew color they change their vtuber model

>>48494387
Terrible business model when you think about it. I guess Gunrun must have bribed someone at Sega out the ass to push Kson as one of the winners of the Yakuza hostess thing because she's still defending them after all this shit

>>48490305
The newer models don't even have the coomer buff to them lol

>>48478044
Kill yourself subhuman, I'd rather side with the Nijitards than you shills

>>48477496
We talk about Melody who made her entire hardware and software background implode because she's not aware how copyright and ownership in USA works and had break with artist and if rrats are true, got fucked over it for 40k$.
Don't underestimate this bimbo's idiocy, her head exist only to have one more hole to be fucked and contains no brain at all.

>>48496863
Mel is literally just a camwhore that decided to one up the other camwhores by using a virtual avatar to do her whoring. Anyone that thought she was anything more and could handle the responsibilities as one of the heads of a company is naive at best or retarded at worst.

Unironically Vshoujo model was a golden business idea that was fucked up by management being stupid. Literally free advertisement, an already existing fan base, very low start up costs. But some how they fucked it all

>>48477202
holy fuck, shit keeps getting deeper for vwhorejo

>>48478421
>male
>attention whore
>clout chaser
>annoying voice
lol, lmao even

hey remember the time when Kiara got banned from youtube and he offered to help only for her to reject him outright? good times.

>>48498460
I love how Vshitshow shills will drown any criticism with "AT LEAST THEY GET TO KEEP THEIR MODELS AND ASSETS!!! THAT MAKES THIS THE BEST COMPANY" But not realizing that just means the girls really had little reason to even join the company in the first place since they practically operate as indies and management was never necessary and barely existent unless it's to fuck shit up for them.

>>48499342
and holoen managers to have a lower ccvthen them
romao

>>48480212
No, Kyo's rm looks like most average white guy, basically like Jroc from Trailer Park Boys

>>48479500
No, it's just history repeating itself throughout ages. Most notable examples are Malcolm X and Michael Jackson back in the day. Those 2 saw who run the industries and money, and they got killed by those who run the show in background.

>>48484408
Idol most likely because nose tribe are well known to be very aggressive when it comes to business. Phase would have to get rid of Pippa and tone down a lot, but that also would mean implosion of Phase Connect because Pippa and Tenma are fisman's biggest stars.

>>48499472
Despite HoloEN and NijiEN management incompetence, there's still structure and organization there to help keep the lights on. I don't think Vshojo has even that.

>>48498227
Yeah but that camwhoring literally made her rich as fuck. All these Snakes, BetrayedMussels, Ochss and rest of bunch were easily throwing 10k$ per stream, each. There's a reason why her toys were constantly breaking, was losing consciousness during first week of streaming and had her private parts sore as hell.
She's a dumb bimbo with excessive amounts of cash that decided to invest into business and now acts as dumb bimbo boss. Happily it means that she's too stupid to properly manage her company and too proud to just leave it in hands of people knowing better so here we are.

>>48484408
People behind Idol seems to have common sense and understanding how to operate vtuber agency. How it will work in long run? I don't know.
PhaseConnect got lucky by getting few strong personalities and have good chemistry but Fishman seems to be too clueless to be boss.

The ideal solution would be Idol buying PC and establishing Fishman as manager of that branch. I'm pretty sure tho that some girls would be very against it.

>>48499743
This say what we may the nose tribes understand the entertainment business and how to make contracts. Above all else they want to make money.

>>48489205
Pikamee I can't see it happening to, but Akari is genuinely the most beaten wife of the vtuber scene to the point where I can see it very easily. She stuck around with Eilene for longer than a couple months for christs sake.

>>48477202
I am a 2view that auditioned and got through multiple rounds. There was radio silence right before kson debut where people got an email about not making it. I have heard from someone else that other people were paid to keep quiet about the audition scam but no sources so
>trust me bro
First time I see someone publicly talking about it. They are known to just throw money at everything.

>>48501082
>multiple rounds
It's already been confirmed that the auditions never actually happened beyond the very first announcement followed by every single person immediately getting rejected.

>>48501168

>>48478952
Vshojo's very own history revisionist everybody.

>>48479500
It's been a thing for YEARS.

>>48478044
LUL FUCK OFF

>>48489875
Nyanners come back to VShojo.

>>48501508
whore

>>48484027
He tried to make other people say it and his black friends knew while still being friends with him, so probably

>>48491916
Nazuna is currently streaming as her indie Mikeneko and hit a peak viewership that she hasn't had on Nazuna in almost a year.
The company really isn't doing much for her besides making merch.
She'd be better off letting her contract lapse, honestly

>>48484957
Is there a western indie that is a frequent 5view?

>>48502845
Shylily and Shoto on occasion, event streams for some of the larger /lig/ crowd can get up there though if promoted right.

>>48502932
Damn, that's pretty impressive. Makes me wonder if /lig/ will ever split, or if there will be a Vshojo 2.0 where the big indies pool resources together to compete with the companies on all fronts.

>>48503005
In Shoto's case it's not, he's basically Mea in terms of latching onto others and yuri, or in this case, fujobaiting.

>>48503005
It's pretty likely that is the case, I think there was a confluence of things that kicked the legs out of Vshojo along the way a number of times. Some of the girls exiting may try to do something again or the remains of Vshojo will get absorbed somewhere else, the JP side spun off, etc.
As far as the other big two goes: signing up to Niji is only good if you're a permastuck low 3-view even then you're basically on your own. Holo is basically nepohires only at this point and the box they're put in over there seems to be making longer term (at least the EN) talents unhappy (from an outside perspective).

>>48479500
No, we've never really liked them as they are naturally exploitative when dealing with Black people. Kanye, Michael Jackson, and Ice Cube have called out Jews for years.

>>48479863
Ironmouse has had the name for at least 3 years before Hakos Baelz existed.

>>48492850
Multi level marketing.

>>48479500
blacks have been calling out jews being owners of music record companies giving them shit deals for decades now

>>48502932
Lily surpassed Mousey's numbers today and both were playing the same game. That's not a good sign for Vshojo when Mouse is currently their only big number talent there now.

>>48477202
So basically this dude stood around and watched two vtubers fuck a bunch of CEOs and get payed $50k for it?

>>48505307
It's called voyeurism.

>>48499743
>>48500082
>Idol
Should I remind you what happened to Kyoresu? Also they paid $1k for the golden checkmark. Idol is busy burning money just because.

>>48477202
jesas

>>48503421
You're forgetting the biggest advantage the two big corpos have over /lig/ is having the resources to pull off huge events as well as having reach into markets alot of the /lig/ just don't which is one of the biggest reasons most still gravitate toward the big two.

It's really hard even for /lig/ to have a concert unless they self fund, forget massive events like the Fests even if they pool their resources. It's also really hard for them to do stuff in other countries like how Niji and Holo can have cross events in SEA or Taiwan. The best they can manage is maybe merch that can be shipped internationally or appearances at local conventions but other than that they're really not that different than your average semi big streamer/YouTuber.

>>48503421
Hololive is not only nepohires though, some 2 views have a legit chance of making it in if their voice fits and they have some experience. Granted the slots are so fucking competitive that its unlikely just based ont he competition from every fucking corner of vtuberdom. and the rarity of open slots. Its basically the willy wonka golden ticket. That's what made me so disdainful of Sana, she didn't know what she was getting into and wasted the golden ticket. I think that will make them more leery about nepohires on the EN side, their first real truly bad one.

>>48508693
I touched on that in a different bait thread, but yeah outside of larger scale events everything else remains true. And they really only work as well as they do because Asian counties have so much urban density (plus infrastructure for public transit). So for larger events in the US and Europe you're still basically doing convention events. Or somehow large one-offs like the LA show HoloEn is doing.

>>48509081
I guess we'll see with the next gen, but the last wave (males) we're already pretty established and had some /lig/ + /vsj+/ connections. Sure you get a sizable boost flying under the blue dorito flag but how much is the "gold standard" in vtubing worth anymore unless you're trying to be another Mori or want access to a new tier of schizo simps shitting on you in akasupas for not being virginal enough for unicorns. And then seeing 20-40 percent of that after the Youtube and Hololive tax.

>>48490750
I hate Nux, but this is a bad take you underaged kid

>>48478421
Exploits other people's issues for content.

>>48509557
Anon, I know it's hard to accept the truth but you have to face it, whether you like it or not. And no, it's not a bad take at all.
And oh boy, the classic
>I [insert here], but...

If Mousey would die, he'd be the first one to try and profit from it due to his past connection to VShoujo. You know it, I know it but his cult would still dickride him.

>YO I KNOW SOME SHIT MAN HEHEHE I GOT THE TEA I CAN'T TELL YOU BUT MAAAAN DO I KNOW STUFF I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW THAT SOME SUS STUFF WAS GOING ON BUT I JUST CAN'T SAY WHAT IT WAS! NO NDA OR NOTHING BUT I JUST CAN'T TELL YOU GUYS SO STOP ASKING HEHEHE FOR REAL THOUGH I KNOW SOME REAL SHIT HERE
Yeah Vshojo is a black company for sure, but this guy doesn't know shit. He's positioning himself around the company because it's in the news right now.

>>48509504
>but how much is the "gold standard" in vtubing worth anymore

for males? Nothing, the audience that is there for them is a pittance. For females? Well you've seen quite a few even in EN move quite soon after getting in, so it looks to be quite alot, life changing in fact for anyone who wasn't already successful in a steady profession, like Ina or Sana. That isn't to mention the opportunities to play a bigger part then you'd most likely ever get as an indie. To be on stage in front of 10's of thousands of people, with thousands of those being live, and to have your voice used in functionally commercials and theme parks. That's pretty much true Entertainment industry level stuff, not something an indie could do. Also just on the front side, it looks like a much healthier working environment with friendlier coworkers than you'd see as an indie or vshojo, where everyone is out for themselves and there are few if any connections.

>>48486258
That was just Kson's shenanigan, not VShojo's. Ironlung, Nyanners and Froot either didn't say anything about Hololive, or are friendly towards / sided with Hololive at times.

>>48509688
>>48478421
>Exploit other people for content
Aside from being a weasel drama farmer isn't also your run of the mill meek cuck

>Crop gura and other loli porn as youtube thumbnails for weeks
>one day make a blanket statement "loli bad"
>people point out he's used cropped loli porn as his youtube thumbnails for clicks
>he has a meltdown and hastily retroactively goes through replacing thumbnails
>mainly of these thumbnails are also clearly stolen from clips channels of other content creators
>people archived the old thumbnails to catch him
>he then meekly makes a "ha ha, no it was just a joke. Don't you get it?" post in backpedaling

>>48510122
In Japan, sure. If you're a singer of some capacity that likes singing idol-y original stuff and doing covers of idol-y songs. I'm sure it's a good deal to get put in front of that audience, again, in Japan.
Past that, one jokey half-ad from Taco Bell and some game sponsors in the English speaking world. Not to say there isn't money in Japan, but, I don't imagine they're all aiming for some weird Family Mart tie-in or some branded cafe trinket they likely see no backend payment from when they sign up to a HoloEn vtuber.
Girl bff on screen is nice, sure, you don't really know what's happening behind the scenes either. I'm sure their friendly and cordial, at the of the day it's still a business and they're co-workers. They aren't prattling on about their ex-members on stream all the time despite how much they may have "loved" them previously.

>>48499557
Yeah, I've seen him. This guy sounds almost identical though, some shitposter could have easily fooled me if I didn't know any better.

>>48510101
Logan Paul has scammed more money
Didn't hesitate with suicide forest
Would fake his own death for attention
Would do all this grifting shit even though he's financially well off

Nux would 100% make a video about Ironmouse's death and clamour over her scraps in her wake, but I'm not 100% sure he would monetise the video

>>48510939
>monetize the video
Presented ad free by BetterHealth

>>48485925
I think they meant that VShojo was the biggest vtubwr agency to *originate* in the west.

>>48510271
He's also trying to become a big commentary channel and LORD KNOWS we need another one of those annoying fucks. . . .

>>48510877
Well there's a concert in LA now, and if that's a success (its definitely going to be a success), it could open more doors. It takes time, and not being Hololive's home market makes it more difficult. They are literally trying to create the brick and mortar sponsor culture that exists in Japan. I know being advetised in Japan and Taiwan and Honk Kong and SEA is not the same as being advertised in the US for EN talents, but its still something, and they ARE making progress on that front as the LA concert illustrates.

>>48513854
>It takes time, and not being Hololive's home market makes it more difficult
Also this issue is also whats stopping any of the /lig/ or western corpos from growing in general. There just isn't as big a market for stuff like this for vtubers so they have to rely on the same methods of growing their brand as regular streamers and content creators do (sponsorships with products marketed to gamers and nerds, streaming events like Twitchcon or just anime cons in general).

>>48499893
The whole idea of doing a corp was basically so you claim the assets of the vtuber and just pick up their slack to merchandise them. That's why it was a good idea not for the choobas but from a business perspective

>>48477202
So, what's so bad about the contracts then? Is it them asking for too much of a cut or what?

>>48515915
It's great for the chuubas too cause having merchandising is great for their business, though.

>>48517860
Probably want more revenue out of them and plus Twitch changing to a 50/50 model is gonna fuck them more.

Also unless your name is ironmouse you barely got anything out of being in the company.

>>48492826
I doubt you'll see anyone talking about that. They've both still got a lot of clout in the community, and rabid fans to tear you to shreds.

>>48477496
>and melody
It's not her company

>>48490354
>>48478571

>>48477999
Unironic trust me bro:
Being vague to not give him away just in case Gunrun lurks here or something, one of their production employees for backgrounds, rigs, UI, schedules, ect has a pretty open mouth. I've known how toxic Veibae and Nyanners were behind the scenes for years now and we've predicted these lack of contract renewals.
Glad Nyanners left. Would've been a bad timeline if she didn't.

>>48517860
"Talent freedom" is a retarded unsustainable business model. There's no reason to not join them, leech them for numbers then fuck off. Kson and Nazuna are probably fucking off next year too.

>>48519575
Is Silver toxic too? Curious after what she said during her exit.

>>48519222
How very convenient to the narrative.

>>48519396
It's literally is, at least in some part.
Gunrun in his own mind would not want to put money into Vtubing (reminder that Twitch was very unfriendly toward vtubing before VShojo became a thing) and Melody was the only person that then had excessive amounts of simpbucks to propose this idea to him. After her wargames with Digitrev she also had interest in putting together some kind of legal buffer for herself and her streamer friends.
Also during Nuxtaku drama she was part of the discussion between him and Vshojo managements and was idiot that agreed on him releasing that video. She certainly holds a lot of power in VShojo.

>>48519680
Also because I watched her casually sometimes and would like to know for that reason too.

>>48519680
According to him she's sweet as can be.
That's only verified far as his personal interaction with her of course - you can never really tell with people who hide it. Vei and Nyanners were really obvious / manipulative meanwhile.

>>48519765
Also, months before VShojo's announcement Melody was mentioning that she's putting something together for herself and rest of her clique. Gossips in her fanbase were about some kind of self-hosted streaming website but I guess it was not true.

>>48520052
Well that's good to know.

>>48520338
I imagine in that parting stream she was feeling a bit charged.

>>48477202
holy shit isreal
didn't know Evanit0 was actually as based as this, I guess not all anitubers are complete trash afterall
>>48477566
>>48477608
>>48477649
kek the absolute fucking cope
>>48477617
why the fuck would he say something that would so obviously immediately ruin his relationship with people and cost him content opportuninites if it wasn't true? he stands to gain literally nothing by saying this other than morals, in fact it's completely to his own detriment to say something like this - therefore it is most likely true

>>48478044
holofag here, go fuck yourself
I hate nijisanjiEN and nijinigs like you wouldn't believe but vshojo is fucking trash and almost all of its members are genuinely bad people. Vshojo crashing and burning is like christmas came early.

>>48478421
He's a jew. simple as that.

>>48477764
Literally who?

>>48485302
They don't have moms like corpchubas do, so sometimes the one that made the model is not available to do a new outfit, so they just get another artist instead of just waiting a little

>>48520880
>why the fuck would he say something that would so obviously immediately ruin his relationship with people and cost him content opportuninites if it wasn't true?

because he's a dumbass

>>48519575
>Nyanners is toxic
Never trust someone who uses 4chan.

>>48477202
>https://files.catbox.moe/jwyu49.mp4
>VShojo takes a cut of non-merch/sponsorship income
wtf, that fucked up, Vshojo really doesen't do nearly enough to justify taking money from streams and videos. Those things literally advertise the merch VShojo sells.

>>48525235
And the vshojo merch is garbage too and very time limited as well.
Imagine buying ironmouse merch which is outdated the following week because she gets yet another model?

>>48524986
I trust you completely.

>>48525235
And there we have it, "talent freedom" don't mean shit when it comes down to getting that paycheck

>>48524986
>The girl whos hobby is pretending to be a loli catgirl on the internet for the last 15 years is toxic
I couldn't give her the benefit of the doubt when she joined and the Nux situation affirmed that. Feels good to be right

Unlike most that went silent during the Nux drama
evanit0 actually put his hand on fire for the retarded batman with the personality of a joker
No matter how much a piece of shit Nux is. The way vshojo including these girls organized an attempt of character assassination
Should tell you what kind of people they are, vshojo is very keen on sacrificing anyone they called friends before to protect their image

>>48526840
>vshojo is very keen on sacrificing anyone they called friends before to protect their image
Most of them not coming out to defend Silver during wizard game shit until they had to be told or asked about it is clear of this and look where that got them

>>48478044
Holotrannies are so fucking pathetic lmao

>>48526084
Gives similar vibes to jobs that do pizza parties and shit, but still only pay minimum wage and wonder why they cant retain workers.

>>48527061
I can't remember, was Silver a part of the Nux thing, wonder how it felt to have same behavior thrown back at you

>>48528490
Yeah she refused to apologize to Nux when she was one of the prominent dog pilers. Nux is an unlikable dumbass but women resorting to petty character assassinations will always be shitty