/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

This board isn't about you cunts. Go to /b/ or somewhere else, you conceited faggots.

>>4841943
I'll make sure to make a thread when the previous one gets archived!

Good morning /asp/! I hope everyone is doing fine and dandy! I have another video out if you'd like to peruse it. More to come soon!
https://youtu.be/kTwezyiw7BQ

>>4841943
this is technically an OC-making thread which is allowed on the majority of boards

I feel like there's a lot of /asp/ies that haven't started streaming yet but have had enough discussion here to continue on without asking questions for a while. That, or people don't want to accidentally expose themselves as channers.

>>4844366
I enjoy helping others here and I don't have any talent to stream myself and I'm bad at talking/being an entertainer.

>>4844366
I don't have a good enough computer to stream diddly yet + waiting on ADHD diagnosis so I can get meds to start unJUSTing my life and streaming on the side.

yo don't die

>>4844366
> that haven't started streaming yet but have had enough discussion here to continue on without asking questions
That would be me. I have been lurking here since the first thread. I'm just extremely lazy and hesitant on putting the initial investment on a hobby that I might get bored of later on.

>>4849789
Don't knock something until you try it, it's as simple as streaming with a PNG first

>>4844366
I stream on my main acct regularly and work on drawing a PNG model even though I'm not very good at art
till I settle on a character idea and swap accounts I will probably continue to just post here

>>4849789
yeah if money is a worry, i would definitely try going for png streaming to see how you like it

Wake up! What did you guys change about your streams recently?

>>4854590
I changed my voice, worked on having a deeper voice without going into vocal fry territory
also added a high noise gate and moved my mic right next to my face so my keyboard stops getting picked up

Here's the best advice for start up vtubers here.
Don't associate yourself with 4chan. It's the kiss of death.

>>4854703
I wouldn't post myself on here anyways since I know people who browse this board and
1 - would say my real name in a heartbeat
2 - would never shut up about "haha you want to be a content creator that's cringe"

>>4854785
lmao look at this retard here wanting to do things, don't you know that on 4chan you're only allowed to like things ironically because that's based?

>>4855157
unironically yes, the reason /asp/ and /wvt/ are seen as cringe is because most of this board is consoomers who want to jerk off to japanese anime girls and pretend like the industry doesn't exist outside of hololive approved tubers

>>4854590
Do videos count?

>>4854590
nothing since i haven't started, but my model is being worked on and if all goes well with work tomorrow, i might be able to start by next week

>>4855593
Sure

>>4855895
Thats nice! Good luck

>>4854703
How can I enjoy [vtuber] if they enjoy [bad website]?!

>>4854590
I updated my overlay with the criticisms I got from some anons about a week and a half ago and I'm pretty satisfied with how it looks! Its still pretty basic but it fits my theme better now

>>4856605
it's not that they use bad website, it's the kiss of death to be groomed by 4chan if they gain hold in your community
they just take over and want control
look at some of the indies who get posted on the board, yes they get a boost from groomers but they basically lose all control and have to cater to the 4chan crowd entirely or lose everything

>>4854703
this gets said like regularly but there are a bunch of selfposters and people known to lurk /here/ that have triple digit/near triple digit average viewerships like leaflit, yozora, and shimada and they're doing more than fine

>>4854590
I've been trying to branch out my content, especially by drawing more often. I figure people enjoy art streams.

>>4856731
Art streams are comfy

>>4856729
As long as people don't break containment or act like an autistic asshole over it then you're usually fine.
I've had enough encounters with those types of autistic assholes back in the day though that I'd rather not be super open about it and keep self-posting to a minimum once I get the ball rolling.

>>4856347
I included more memes and effects in my video! I also used gifs instead of individual PNG frames which saves some time (albeit not a significant amount). I'm planning on cutting it down to ten minutes, in the process of saving up for a wireless mic, and might change the vocal aspect entirely if it gets too grating.

>>4854590
I can't, I'm still making my model
How's it looking? I'm just an amateur so I feel like I fucking everything up

>>4857889
ayy lmao

>>4854590
My stream almost exists. So that's a start.

>>4857889
Can't lie, it's a little terrifying at this stage.

>$4,500 for an emotionless face
>$2,500 for a persona rip off

>>4862207
Is it for art or rigging? Hazard hornet was rigged phenomenally well so it might be worth it.

>>4862251
those are for the pre-made models
but the artist is offering art + rigging combos for OC designs

>>4862288
https://twitter.com/hazardhornet/status/1402680914732322827
don't want to direct link the google doc, but here's the tweet

What's the best way to reach viewers who aren't other Vtubers? I see the "chatroom full of chuubas, I leave" and it makes sense, but social media (twitter especially) seems to create bubbles of just Vtubers interacting with other Vtubers. Short of constantly shilling here, breaking out of that seems difficult.

>>4862478
You have to go to communities that fit your content. If you do ff14 streams go to the forums or the subreddit for example.

>>4857889
Any chance you could link to the tutorials you used to model like that? Do you have a final design in mind?

>>4862478
Reddit, Twitter, and forums related to your specific niche.

it's been a while since we've had a tech question. OBS recently updated and now they include Nvidia's ai based noise cancellation thing. has anyone used it? does it work?

i found that trying to do karaoke with it was impossible because there's like a 0.3 second delay (guessing that's when the noise cancellation is doing its work) between when i sing and the sound comes through on the stream. so that's basically out entirely for karaokes.

anyone else have experience with it? is it worth it? currently only using it to filter out my keyboard and mouse click noises.

>>4862207
Is Hazard Hornet selling the character to pay for a new one that's not shit?

>>4862207
*Danganronpa ripoff
ftfy

>>4863621
I mainly use this one by CG cookie, it's not great or finished but it does show you what loops you should probably have
https://youtu.be/oa9ZRyBFcCg

I usually watch that one to remind me of the edge loops I need & then compare it to other people's models to make sure my topology is good

but I think the CG cookie tut gives you too much unnecessary detail on the model so for a more simplified tutorial I think this might be better:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2EEbgwoJzdt5kFVDyY2lliNqf7cWJeD3

>Do you have a final design in mind?
not really, I don't have a good reference sheet I just have pic related to go on

>>4864722
Ever heard of Designdoll? It's one of the many 3D character posing programs, but I think it's free version has the most options and accessibility of all.
You do a quick full body model in it with the pre-installed parts, set some poses and then you can make screenshots from any angle for modelling and drawing references or just straight-up trace over them.
The free version is restricting saving of your own models, so don't do anything too complex with it. https://terawell.net/terawell/
Just thought maybe it could be helpful.

>have a house down payment of over 30,000 dollars sitting around in savings
>can't buy a house in this market
do I do it anons? do I drop 10,000 dollars plus on a vtuber model to try to /makeit/?

>>4867392
Your model doesn't mean you make it.

>>4867519
>>4867392
This. Are you willing to sacrifice a good portion of your week to commit to streaming? Monitoring Twitter? Following the FOTM meta? Pumping out content consistently on Youtube for heightened discoverability?

>>4867392
Learn streaming first, then if you still love it and think you got a shot, get your model.

>>4867392
pngtuber before doing shit like this

>>4867392
>10,000 dollars plus on a vtuber model
who is charging this much for a vtuber model?

>>4867914
whoever it was that did AdmiralBahroo's model charged him 15,000 USD

>>4867955
>charged him 15,000 USD
got a citation for that?

>>4868003
he's mentioned on his streams multiple times
he also paid out the ass because he didn't want to haggle and just wanted to get it asap

What are the current average prices for generic run-of-the-mill Indie Vtbuber models in total (including rigging)? I always thought they cost thousands but even some broke people I know are now vtubers...

>>4868072
...uh huh, sure.
that being said, anon isn't bahroo, nor does he have the fanbase to support it. which is why i'm 100% behind him dropping $10k on a model and rig. let's see if he can moneybird his way to success.

So I have to ask something about Skeb. It's rules says it's not suitable for live2d model requests, but are character design requests acepted? I could describe what I have in mind or in my case use CMD3 to create a base model of sorts, but on the other hand I sort of feel like leaving the design up to the artist while giving some basic stuff I want the design to have like color scheme. Thoughts?

>>4868141
that's fine. i've seen people use screenshot of their Final Fantasy characters as a base for references.

>>4854590
my streams only exist in my imagination

>>4868091
depends on the type of model and how much clout you want from the artist/modeler/rigger as well as if it's a simple 3d vs a live2d
it can be anywhere from a couple hundred to upwards of a few thousand
the ones the bigs use that are designed by mangaka and rigged by riggers with a lot of clout can easily go into the tens of thousands

>>4868161
>live2d models going up to 4k+
I will have to png for a while.

>>4868386
get a Fee live2d model for $80 on Booth.pm

>>4868091
you can just buy a prerigged one from a site if you want. Just make sure it's not one a lot of other people use and make sure to at least distance yourself a bit from other people who also buy that same model

>>4868446
>>4868498
Oh interesting.
>you will never be bahroo to shell out 10k for a model

>>4856698
>being groomed by 4chan
Miko was "groomed" and she's doing just fine. I've seen some /here/ lurkers and their streams and chats are fine.

>>4868607
like the other anon mentioned, the ones who cost that much are usually because you are paying extra for someone with clout to open up space in their commissions and that's a premium

I give up trying to find games to play. I love and have a ton of fun with Apex and Valorant, but those are doing nothing for me as a streamer. So I'm just gonna stick with them off stream. I'll just chase the Holos and play the games they do, starting with Ina and her Half Life 2 streams. Wish me luck, anons.

>>4869256
don't you have games you want to play? or activities you enjoy that you'd like to stream?
i find it odd that people have a hard time looking for what to stream considering the whole point is to share yourself

>>4869442
>don't you have games you want to play?
Apex and Valorant.
>activities you enjoy that you'd like to stream?
Apex and Valorant.

>>4869469
>become a pro gamer at apex and valorant
>???
>profit

>>4869469
>>4870143
This, just get to a pro level then

>>4868386
>live2d models going up to 4k+

What the hell do they really? Maybe I should learn live2D after all, I already make 3D models.

>>4871443
Iron Vertex starts at like $3/4 and go much higher depending on complexity.

>>4867955
Bahroo's model is also unusual and has a bunch of neat animations (like the girl throwing him up in the air, etc). It's definitely not a standard 'cute anime girl' model. Also honestly the person probably charged him more because Bahroo has the money.

>>4871443
Iron Vertex is like $3-5k minimum, more if you're doing fancy shit. And with them not accepting new work, you'll see more high end riggers up their prices since they'll be in more demand. If you can learn live2d and do it well, go for it.

>>4871538
>>4872508
Is there a lack of live2D artists/riggers right now or something? I'd imagine it's something a ton of artists would jump on now that vtubing is popular

>>4872855
there are plenty of artists, and the process is fairly simple since it's just normal art, but instead of combining the layers, you keep them separate and fill in the void areas. live2d artists charge a premium because of the hype, but it's really something almost every artist can do (you'll just need to inform them to keep things on separate layers)

not that many riggers. live2d is a pretty specialized skill that's really only used in asia for games, visual novels, etc. it's pretty easy to get into, but hard to do well, which is why good riggers can charge an arm and a leg.

here's an example of Live2D rigging done VERY POORLY. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jps0f46R-bo&t=2908s

>>4867392
I sort of taught myself how to draw, then drew a shitty digital avatar that I rigged horribly.

I just call myself a budget luddite vtuber and spend all my streams reading obscure literature.

>>4872855
riggers charge a premium but if you're halfway tech savvy and have enough free time to learn and follow tutorials you can teach yourself rigging
saves a lot of money to just request art assets from an artist and just put them in live2d yourself with a bit of work

Is there really a point to become no-voice mute vtuber?
Day by day I am organizing my design and ideas, but I have heavy doubts my gimmick about personality focused at no-voice would get swept under the rug.

>>4873695
are you okay with just 556 subs on your youtube channel after over 8 months of daily 3hr+ streams?

>>4873048
>live2d artists charge a premium because of the hype

I figured it was something like this, video games have been using a very similar technique for animations (Spine2D) so I don't think it would be too difficult on a technical level

>>4873048
Whatt if you're not an artist, though? I can barely do sticks and circles.

>>4873816
you can still be a live2d rigger, since that really doesn't require you to know any art. all you'll be doing is deformations of the art assets (like squishing an eye to simulate how it would change when you turn your head to the side).

so having some basic understanding of perspective might help. but it's not important if you're only interested in becoming a Rigger.

>>4873108
Her career didn't even take off. Poor thing.

>>4873892
I may look into it but seeing >>4873108 gets me aprehensive as fucking up. Jesus her mouth doesn't even move, couldn't they just find a decent rigger and pay for the thing?

>>4873816
Literally the founder of Iron Vertex did a short tutorial about doing avatars with anime screenshots, back then when there were no known vtubers, but imitating that and doing monetized streams with one would be obviously copyright infringement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWnPWygJEyM

>>4873695
most people who watch streams put it on as a podcast and tune in and out while doing something else
if you don't have well understood speech you are getting a massive debuff
both channels I can think of with either no voice or only text communication are way below where they would normally be numbers wise because of it

>>4874199
it's very hard to do things that poorly
most inexperienced riggers just end up making very stiff models which are passable but not great

>>4864195
It works alright for me. The more noise it has to drown out the more robotic you get. Also it does eat a bit of GPU processing for it so if you're playing anything beefy it can become an issue.

>>4874976
do you bother using it along with Nvidia Broadcast standalone? or is doubling up on the noise cancellation thing overkill?

Does anyone know of a good way to set up an irl cooking stream without showing my face of course? I'm trying to come up with ways to do it but I don't know what equipment I'd need. My kitchen is away from my computer but I could always buy one of those mini stove/grills. I'm bad with technology and the setup of it so of anyone has any experience or knows of any way to go about it please help!!

>>4874781
>it's very hard to do things that poorly
Almost like they acttually made the effort to be bad. No blinking, no mouth sync, it's very obvious they didn't even make sure the model worked properly.
>>4874540
Will check it out. I can imagine Iron Vertex isn't taking any more requests because they have plenty to go through.
>>4878597
Strap a camera to your forehead and weak gloves while cooking.

>>4878597
If you fixate the streaming device cam on your forehead or on top of your head, only reflections would be a problem, I guess. Perhaps if you are in shape for it get a full body Zentai suit as extra measure (pic) and war an onsie with a similar theme of your character over it, there should be a big selection.

>>4879311
>>4879343
What about having my model still moving as I do it? Would I need a laptop? I've wanted to do these streams for a while but it seems very difficult.

I feel stupid for having to ask this, but I've searched around and still havent figured out how to get the chat to show up in the video for a stream.

>>4879311
>>4879473
Wear* Dammit I need sleep. I was being half sarcastic, but if you can't strap the camera to your forehead you could try putting it over your cooking surface. The risk there is your phone or whatever taking a dip into whatever your cooking or directly into the stove's fire.

>>4879646
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqx08H6xWk0

>>4854590
I upgraded my potato laptop!!! And started doing some recording and streaming tests! The only problem its i dont find any place like this but in spanish... i dont speak english that much and that well for asking for critique here...

>>4854590
I decided to start doing tarot readings.

>>4881239
You've ascended to the upper echelons fellow potato bro. Give em hell out there!

I don't want to be an indie streamer because I don't want to stream to 0 people for half a year, time I could use working on commissions and as a freelander instead

But my auditions are also going nowhere with the companies posting auditions on Reddit

The more time passes the more VTubers there will be with each passing day

Fucking kill me

>>4882676
>applying to auditions
>no experience as a streamer
lmao what the fuck are you doing holy shit?
literally no place will even give you an interview if you don't have at least an existing channel or stream with a handful of regulars

do you really think you're going to apply and they're just going to hand you a fucking 5,000 dollar model and design just to play around and learn streaming?

>>4882676
Make Youtube content of your art recordings, ramble on about stuff until you think you're good enough for streams. It's what Retsu does and she has 80 followers while already having some people gosling over her.

>>4881532
Thanks, i hope so!! Good luck for you too, poltato anon!

>>4882676
the only streamer I know who actually managed to get into an org without any previous stream experience is finana from NijisanjiEN who could not figure out OBS for her own debut stream
but she was viral on both tumblr and twitter multiple times as a vtweeter and made it to the HoloEN final interviews on her social media presence
if you don't have at least a few thousand followers on twitter you need to have streaming experience my friend

>>4875250
No point in stacking, one or the other is good enough for pretty much anything. But better mic placement can deal with most keyboard/mouse noises

Got my first positive comment on my channel tonight. It is a good feel.

Tell me about what you want for a vtuber and I'll find you some clothing ideas. I think I know enough about fashion to find some interesting stuff.

>>4885635
can you recommend a hoodie for a guy?

>>4882676
Your auditions will continue to go nowhere until you have a portfolio of content that you can advertise with anon. Even if you get no views it still counts as something to sell to a company. There are some braindead vtubers but I don't know that any company will hire someone that doesn't realize this much.

>>4885685
Why go for a hoodie when you can just go hood?

>>4883709
this, anons need to learn how to do good filtering on their mic in OBS and good mic placement
I have Cherry Blues on my keyboard but through a good mic, good placement, and good filters I don't annoy the shit out of viewers
it did take me like 3-4 years to figure out my setup though

>>4885917
because Arknight style tech wear is already pretty common

>>4885943
Is it worth it to build a mechanical keyboard?

>>4886043
I have never built a custom one I just buy prebuilt ones. Mechanical keyboards are fun to type on if you type thousands of words a day for your day job but they're not required

>>4885635
Girl or guy?

How expensive is it to get into Vtubing? I'm a pretty personable dude I guess, very good at aRPGs. I was thinking of having something cute like a kawaii polar bear as my avatar but I'm afraid people will think I'm a furry.

>>4886365
>kawaii polar bear as my avatar but I'm afraid people will think I'm a furry.
they will, but who cares? it's same shit for women with a non-anime uwu voice and transphobes. they're gonna spaz out anyway. pngtube it up until you've earned enough money from donos to commission a live2d or 3d model

>>4886099
Alright. Might get one with MX Browns, they're supposed to be quiet. I've tried noisegating so my keyboard isn't picked up, but it gets to the point that it can't pick up my voice.
>None are in stock
Fug

>>4886221
Either is fine

>>4885685
I'd also rec hoodies with different stylings, such as this. Even if you decide to go with one, it doesn't have to be boring.

>>4886396
>transphobes
Lost?

>>4883096
>tumblr
>also a vtweeer
My disgust aside, Finana has her own charm and atleast I will admit she has her charm. I think Amelia Watson also barely had like 100 subs or something on Twitch. She was a big gamble for Cover and it paid off, butt cinderella stories like that are few and far in between.
On the other hand, that a vtweeter actually made it to an company sort of makes me sad.

>>4887016
At the very least if you can get popular being a vtweeter and not have any sort of drama attached it proves that you have some kind of personality. Most of them have something like 200 followers that are just other vtweeters seethign that they aren't popular.

>>4887016
>all this charm redundancy
Fucking hell, this is not my day.

>>4887016
i'm pretty sure she had in the 10000s for twitch followers and triple digit viewers

>>4887016
Watson was a 500-1,000 viewer overwatch streamer pre-debut
she wasn't huge but she was big enough and had enough of a back catalog she could show hololive
that's the entire point, most places aren't looking for you to be a tip top content creator already, they know not a lot of those people want to transition to being a vtuber now

what they want to see is you have a history of consistently streaming and what the content of your typical stream looks like if you are just allowed to do whatever

>>4887416
>>4887425
People kept saying Amelia was really small, but 500-1000 is actually decent enough. These days having a few hundreds still nets you the small title.
I'm aware of the portfolio thing, I'm not that anon adutioning wihtout something to show for it. Was Finana a cringe vtweeter or clasical tumblrite? Niji seems more relaxed on their talent requirement than Holo but if I were to audition not being able to shittalk Sony, TLoU2, etc. is a big turnoff.

>>4887791
>500-1000 is decent enough
it's good as a hobby but realistically that level of viewership and subs is nowhere near enough to live off
unless you clear about 2-3k viewers regularly you are making less than minimum wage on twitch
>shittalking games in an interview
are you serious? have you not interviewed for anything in your life?
it's a sales pitch, you should try to be as positive as you can and try to show the things you like the things you're good at.
if you're overly negative in an interview, they get the idea you're going to be the type of streamer to bitch and whine and they don't want that

How important are 60fps streams? Can I get away with 30fps or would it be better to sacrifice resolution, not lower than 720p though.

>>4888001
depends entirely on the game
if it's a slow game with a lot of text resolution matters more
if it's a fast game where you're flipping your view around a bunch, then frames matter more

think about your viewers too
as a non-partner you don't get transcoding so your viewers can literally only watch in source if they have a shit connection. if your viewers keep complaining about stuttering video you might want to lower the resolution or framerate anyway

>>4887791
If you can't answer the question "what's special about you?" positively and immediately then you aren't cut out for interviews.
If the first thing that goes through your mind is "I don't know if I could handle not being able to shittalk Sony" when, as a pro representing a company, you won't really be in a position to shittalk anything, then you aren't cut out for going pro either.

>>4887906
>>4888173
>implying I'm actually going to bitch and whine at an interview
Auditions are just a possibility but honestly I think going indie should be my thing, and as a hobby. Wanting to make a joke but having to hold off because execs may bonk you is the con part of having buy guys giving you the tools.
Except maybe vshoujo, they seem to be doing whatever they want for the most part.

>>4888523
there is literally no place in an interview to make that joke anon
your interview is literally just going to be
>what's special about you
>tell me about your experiences streaming
>why do you want this position
>why should we pick you
>do you have questions for us
and then boom you're done, cycle you through and get the next one in

Is there a way to stream a file or disc from your PC to cytube for a watchalong, or do I have to find a streaming link from somewhere else?

>>4888705
As far as I'm aware watching something in a stream shouldn' be any different from streaming games. I've seen streamers watch YT videos without switching or doing anything different from setting up their game streams.

>>4888848
I want to watchalongs and can't really have that on stream. I either own a lot of the stuff I would show or "own" it so I was just curious if I had to get a link.

>>4888978
Not sure about cytube, but you could try Kosmi and pass the link for a watchalong in your community. Sometimes it was used on /a/ to watch stuff so that's the best option I can give you.

>>4889045
I'll look into that, thanks anon!

how much of a debuff is being male

>>4889662
it exists, but you can overcome it with a lot of effort.

>>4889134
Kosmi was used for an Ososan stream and there were no issues. Since the site isn't that big I guess as you can keep the link to your watchalong in your community you don't have to worry about copystrikes or anything of the sort.
>>4888173
I have no artistic talent, be it drawing, singing, or creating content. My only talent, if it can be considered that at all, is playing games and even then I'd say I'm just average. I simply don't audition because I have nothing going for me.
>>4889662
Like in real life if you have charisma you'll be just fine. Look at Aruran and Roberu, they're both fun to watch. If you are insanely good at a game that can help you too.

Got some advice for Endurance streams? What should I look out for?

>>4889910
First of all: are you sure you can handle it? Both physically and mentally? If you have some sort of medical condition you should reconsider it as Endurance streams may put you into a lot of stress. If you can, unironically stay hydrated.

If I tried to endurance back in the day I would begin slurring in three hours and that was really fun, bet it would be even better with drinks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4WPDzhZIOQ
is MyHoloTV legit?

>>4890985
They have auditions up but I don't think they'll get many because there's a concern about their business practices. All three of their gen 2 left and they never really gave proper reasons for it.

>>4890985
>Malaysians
Some of the most naive and starry-eyed people I've ever met. Probably fucks up purely because they lack any foresight or considerations.

>>4889662
the only "debuff" is you can't get horny weebs to come boost you up to 10-50 viewer status by doing the loli voice
other than that it still requires you to have a personality

Freedom to shittalk aside, I don't even consider the idea of applying to auditions because I have no talent of any kind and even if I had a portfolio it wouldn't be anything special or different. I once was told that I was funny in a very acid way, but even if that was the case that sort of thing clash too much with big vtuber/idol corps. I want to believe that if I at least manage to do regular streams someone will like what little I have to offer, and then maybe start working on funding my png.

>>4889662
Not as much as you think it is.
Don't use Holostars as a base. You should be looking at what Nijisanji males are doing and learn.

As someone going into this who's new to streaming, is there anything I should worry about in regards to copyright when playing games on Twitch? I don't want to get in trouble for streaming a certain game or for certain game music playing.

>>4892865
if you stream a song, it'll just get muted in your VOD. delete the VOD as soon as you find out, because Twitch's copyright system has been on the fritz recently.

otherwise, no one gives a shit. the only time i've seen people care to copyright strike you or get your account banned is if you're streaming an alpha-test of a game that's under NDA.

>>4893209
Yeah no, I just wanted to play music from games I'm playing on low volume and not worry about getting sued for it.

>>4893377
>play music from games I'm playing on low volume
playing MUSIC from games will get you copyright strikes.
playing SOUNDS from games will not (usually)
doesn't matter how quiet it is.

>>4893442
I just wanted to play Mario with Mario music on in the background. Guess I'll have to get non-copyright music then?

>been almost 3 months since I commissioned
>no reply after a week cause "health issues"
>refund through paypal and escalate
>on the last day to recieve my refund someone "they know" contacts me with the finished commission

wild ride with some artists

>>4893377
Just play royalty-free music over the game you are playing. There's a lot of music you can use.

>>4893519
that's fine. i'm talking about stuff like GTA 5 or Cyberpunk with their music from radio. i.e. actual songs. https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/10/22168295/cyberpunk-2077-twitch-dmca-copyright-strike-music-turn-off-bug

>>4893522
Would it be wise to potentially look into getting an original BGM (assuming I see enough success to warrant it) for whenever I play a game that may run risk of copyright with "real music" like >>4893588 was mentioning?

>>4893588
Rockstar's aim at making GTAV feel more believable, if that's the word, with actual songs from he fake radio stations is a nice touch but awful when streaming. Just don't use the radio if you're playing that game. As far as I'm aware, videogame music is okay.
Not quite stream related but Sony went full retard with Magia Record and some Madoka songs on YT. Turns out they removed most of the Madoka OST and moved it to Spotify, and for Magireco's BGM there's no fucking clue because they are copystriking gameplay and character showcase videos simply for playing the in-game music.
>>4893377
If you are a small channel, and I mean a very small one you may get away with it. I''ve seen channels stream Keijo.

>>4887016
Check TwitchTracker

>>4894958
For what, specifically? Game trends?

>>4895071
I may have responded to the wrong comment, but this was for the anon who wasn't sure about sub numbers of chuubas on their old channels. While the channels are scrubbed, the statistics are still there.
Don't believe people got into a company by pure luck when they have almost 3k hours streaming on twitch.

I feel like the juice is gone. I don't want to post on Twitter anymore. I don't want to network any longer. I hate looking at everything as an opportunity for me to capitalize on. I am exhausted and running dry.

>>4893521
that's kinda fucked up. glad you got your piece, but 3 months with almost zero communication is fucking unacceptable.

>>4895203
Ah okay. Yeah, like I said Cinderella stories can be counted on half a hand. Having play hours by the thousands helps, but I feel if it's a lot of the same or there are no notable moments or something that may get the big heads' attention then it's gonna be a hard grind.
Which reminds me, a lot of indies graduated when HoloEN 2 was announced. I have to wonder if having to suspend your activities is part of the criteria for auditions, and if not, it's a very bad move if you're not guaranteed to get in in the first place.
>>4895251
Take a break. doing so may lose you seam, but if you feel you are doing things out of obligation and money then the fun is sucked out of it. I mean, money is important but if you are jumping into things to capitalize on them even if you don't like them, then that's no different from a normal job or studying something you hate for the money. Towa has had to take breaks due to her mental health, I believe, so I'd sayttake a break or don't do things you're not interested in simply because they're the hot shit right now.

>>4885635
>Tell me about what you want for a vtuber and I'll find you some clothing ideas. I think I know enough about fashion to find some interesting stuff.

Put up a throwaway email to keep ideas under wraps and so that people can ask for suggestions if you miss posts when this thread expires.

Trust me, I got good advice out of /asp/ whenever I got advice givers to put up those email boxes.

>>4881239
Poltato laptop anon here!!! I want to share with you a 99% broken english test recording, feel free to giving me a bit of feedback n_nU
https://youtu.be/Ftz_WQw-0_g

>>4895531
Good idea, anon.

Alright, if anyone wants some help with a design you can email me: fsjte@gurumail.xyz

I won't design it for you but I can at least give you some idea of what to do.

>>4895846
Definitivamente trabaja en la calidad de tu audio. Al inicio del video tuve problemas para entender lo que decías.

>>4895251
Seeing everything as an opportunity and weighing up relationships and interactions based on their value can be incredibly tiring.

Just take a break. See if you can change your mindset.

Is there a "minimum viewer" raid requirement? if not specifically enforced but maybe a courtesy thing? Like, should I be raiding someone if I only have like 2 to 3 viewers? Or would it be better to rather maybe just suggest they go to the next persons stream quietly without the whole raid fanfare?

>>4897281
There's not. If the person doesn't appreciate it they can just ignore you anyway and keep doing what they're doing,

>>4897281
theres no minimum as far as I know, but I think if you only have 2-3 viewers they will most likely not even be there after you raid another streamer (from what I've seen) if you wanna do it do it to other smaller streamers, don't do it to bigger streams cause they will sometimes think you're leeching and want a raid back

>>4897525
Yeah, that's the thing I was concerned about, I suppose maybe a good rule of thumb would be if I have single digits, I should raid someone who also has single digits?

>>4897281
Raiding at your own level or at smaller streamers is best. If you want to raid upwards, make sure they're like within 10% of you or something.

Something's been bothering me
Hololive is one of my biggest inspirations for streaming, and I really want to join Holopro one day but I'm worried that my streams will end up being cheap copies of Hololive streams

>>4899255
Maybe at first when you are new and imitating what you see, but I imagine as you get comfortable streaming you will find your own style

>>4897552
Yeah, pretty much. Also try to actually be there for their stream so you "network" and have streamer friends

is the discord still closed.....

>>4901290
and if it's still closed, which /asp/ chuuba discord is the most active?

>>4901322
The one meant for males at first had no qualms making it for everyone. Can't tell you about the one meant for women exclusively.

If you want on there stream first.

>>4902250
is there an active invite link for the males one?

>>4902316
i've been streaming for a while now. twitter isn't really great for getting to know people though...

>>4902316
>>4902342
Pick a person whom you believe to be on the server and send them your name, adress, social security, credit card number and bank details (including passwords). We'll get back at you within two weeks.

>>4862337
>retweeted by Kani Kanizawa
>she retweets Hazard art immediately after

Being crab is suffering, all her friends are retired or graduated

Guys I want good character designers, dont just link me to skeb

>>4896203
Me di cuenta que no tenia los filtros para el mic qwq eso será mejorado durante estos días, gracias anon!!

>>4894958
>twitchtracker
terrible site, looked up myself and despite streaming every night this week it had no data and said I've streamed 10 minutes me entire 10 year time on twitch

How much growth is normal for streaming once every week? I have like 8 subscribers so far, and only manage like 2 viewers during streams.

Give me motivation to draw my png model.

>>4905236
you can do it anon chama!

>>4905131
Are you on YouTube or twitch?

>>4905334
Youtube

>>4868091
from what I've seen and what I charge it's around $800 to $1500 depending on who you ask

I wanna start vtubing games. Would a raccoon Boi with messy hair be a good choice of an avi?

>>4905775
It would if you enjoy yourself.

>>4905775
cute....

>>4905775
honestly I've seen way too many raccoon designs so far feels kinda overdone

>>4905775
raccoons have been overdone since snuffy

>>4905280
art is painful

>>4906638
practice makes perfect!

>>4906881
But I don't want to practice. I want to be an anime girl.

>>4906911
sketch the idea you want then commission a cheap artist for your png then!

At what point do I begin selling my soul to /wvt/ and /asp/ for views/comments?

>>4854590
I added a voice modulator that sounds really good and fits my model. Also allows me to speak normally without killing my voice

>>4907427
>11 hours
Jesus

>>4907606
That's over 5 streams
I'm trying to work on streaming for a longer period but had either tech or other life issues to deal with so the streams ended shortly.
It also gets really hard two hours in and you notice that you're speaking directly to the void and nobody's commented in an hour

>>4907606
is 11 hours a lot? I normally put about 10 in a week

>>4907427
whenever you want honestly
i did it shortly after i hit affiliate through twitter shilling

>>4907427
Is it ever worth it shilling yourself in /wvt/ and /asp/?
I kind of want to but am terrified of anons just picking on me.

>>4903554
Jesus you can't expect to be spoonfed. Just look for an artist you like and has requests open. It's not that hard.

>>4906638
You can do it!!! Also you can do drawings with vector lines, paint tool sai and clip studio has that type of tool, check it out!

>>4908898
there's a tradeoff to the attention, it sometimes attracts the weird "gosling" types or invites people to dig back in your past for dox but you get a boost in viewers if they actually like you

>>4908954
not all artists are good at character design

>>4908898
just keep a level head and understand the difference between shitposting and criticism
i actually think its better to get criticism here than just about anywhere else because most people will be too nice to say anything they think will come off as mean

>>4904294
That's weird, I did a test stream today and I see it in my statistics page.
Regardless, while I'm a streaming noob so I may be wrong, I'm not familiar with alternatives to the site as far as researching users and trends.

>>4910420
for your own stats, the default twitch creator page is much better than pretty much any other alternative

>>4909006
Look for someone that is. For fucks sake just look at their previous commissions and decide if you like what they have done or not, but since you want everything handed to you I'll give you two names: Ebiblue and Asanagi.

>>4911805
>Asanagi
kek, i'd akasupa you if you manage to get a model from Asanagi

>>4911858
I unironically wanted to get a model from him but he's way out of my budget, holy shit 700 bucks for a commission of his.

>>4911971
to be fair, that's... kinda middle of the road for a live2d model. were you just talking about a flat png for the base design?

>>4911999
Flat png for the base design. He doesn't do live2d.

>>4912035
oh yeah, jesus.

>>4841916
how long do your commissions take /asp/
Ive been waiting on just my model for over a month now and it was a pretty cheap commission so I don't want to rush it and lose out on quality, but I'm asking you guys for your experience anyway

>>4856729
>>4854703
associate with 4chan is somehow worse than reddit?

>>4911805
in all honesty if I could justify it and he had commissions open I'd try to get a model from ShindoL just for the memes
I'm sure a decent number of people would catch their eye that way

>>4912102
35 days for my character reference sheet (front, back, side, and a couple of expressions). this was done through an artist i found on the live2d community discord server.

skeb png design 40 days
skeb thumbnail art 15 days

currently have 2 more skebs, one for a zatsudan and another for just banner/background art that's been going on 33 days as of today.

>>4912134
yes. reddit is normiecore. you say you're on/from/browse reddit and people will just hit you up with "oh did you see that meme?" if you say you're from 4chan, you're immediately a nazi incel. don't associate with 4chan.

>>4912134
yes, reddit is considered normal to most people
most people dip into reddit a bit to check on game patches, fuck around at their desk, etc
4chan is considered a no fly zone since most people's first experience is hopping in a thread and someone spams either "nigger" or "cunny" over and over and they just close the site

>>4911805
>>4911858
>>4911971
I wonder how much LM7 would charge, theoretically.

>>4912061
I found a good alternative that's still a bit on the upper side of prices but it's a good name. Just hope he doesn't close commissions before I get the money.

>>4912188
>immediately a nazi incel
According to who? You? Reddit? Why would I want money from cancelfaggots. Anybody that isnt learning anything from what happened to coco can get the fuck out of my stream.
Bending the knee NEVER works
They will always demand more and more.

its fucking hilarious to me that the people crying Hitler are the exact kind of people that enabled him. Never bend the knee.

>>4912255
>According to who?
normies. aka. your viewers.
save your schizo rant for the viewers and convince them, idgaf. i'm just telling you right now that it's better to associate with reddit than it is with 4chan so you don't filter yourself out.

>>4912181
ShindoL was in fact my second option but I think he doesn't have comms open. Hell, I couldn't find his skeb either.

>>4912285
I want an audience that is relatively loyal, not one that's going to fucking yab me at the first sign of a rrat. Money and popularity isn't everything. Reliable sustainable growth is important too.

>>4912340
cool, good for you?

>>4912255
>bending the knee
>cancelfaggots
are you the same retard from yesterday who was concerned about being able to say "fuck trannies" or whatever in an interview without getting cancelled?
shut the fuck up, I seriously doubt you even stream and even if you do you are quite literally the entire embodiment of ngmi if you can't shut the fuck up about some controversial opinion you have for a few hours a day

>>4912408
pretty sure he's that anon who's been claiming that he's gonna stream as a png of some nazi or whatever but still doesn't have the balls to actually go live.

How powerful are /asp/ groomers anyway? Pretty sure all you need to do is be a male and they'd be disinterested

>>4912408
>>4912440
>>4912372
>Already frothing at the mouth to cancel someone
>No idea who I am and swinging at air as per usual.
Right, opinion discarded, thanks for the effort.
This is exactly the kind of rrat shit I don't need from redditors.

>he thinks cancel culture is real
go back to /pol/, underage

>>4912530
>I can't put on an act and keep from saying something controversial for 2 hours a day to stream
cancelling would involve someone digging through your past not you just outright throwing a fucking landmine into your own career

Tips from someone who's been vtubing for a over a year. Canceling is pretty real on Twitter, if the right person retweets the accusations it'll poison most networking opportunities you can have. Post here, collab with /here/ but don't talk about it. Containment is always the way.

>>4912631
>>4912552
I said thanks but I'm not looking for advice from people like you, your welcome, I appreciate your effort, move along. After all, you literally just said you wouldn't needlessly try to kick up drama right?

>>4912679
>Canceling is pretty real on Twitter
oh wow, i'm so scared of what a bunch of minors on twitter virtue signaling say about me! oh no, how will i ever recover?

>>4912704
If you're going to go into this you need to understand that social media is a part of streaming. You can shit on them but it's still an aspect to be aware of.

>>4912679
>collab with /here/
You mean vtubers that are known to lurk?

>>4912679
How do you collab here without information about that leaking anyway?
>>4912748
basically this.
what did he mean by this.jpg

>>4912745
>don't be a nazi
>don't be a pedophile
>don't be a fucking racist
how hard is it to just be a decent human person? there are literal milllions of streamers out there who are doing just fine.

>>4912794
>don't be a pedophile
That's advice for independents? Or do you actually believe it.

>>4912828
if there are pages and pages of posts on social media or discord of you saying cunny and uoooohhh, maybe don't try to become famous

>>4912794
It isn't, but it keeps happening. A week doesn't go by when I don't see a new twitlonger outing some medium or larger sized streamer have screens leaked.

>>4912794
>Everyone I don't like is a nazi
(you)

>>4912896
the anon in question is literally a nazi vtuber avatar anon
kill yourself

>>4912794
>don't be a nazi
Just by posting here you are already, don't you know?
>don't be a pedo
I really hope you aren't implying being a lolicon with that.
>>4912794
>Don't be fucking racist
Insert chuubas saying nigga compilation.

>>4912859
Kizuna Ai up skirted loli witchsouls and started making licking sounds anon...

>>4912915
>My rrat is trufax! It's not cancel culture if it's my rrat!
(you)

I really dislike twitch culture but i want to stream on this platform because youtube is just much worse. Is there any chuubas who put global emotes names in spam list and don't want to condone twitch culture? Want to know this so i dont feel alone about it.

>>4912880
>outing some medium or larger sized streamer have screens leaked.
i refer you back to the
>don't be a pedo, racist, nazi part

>>4912931
you can shit up this thread as much as you want. the fact still stands. if you're gonna go around advertising how much of a pedo and racist you are on twitter, don't cry here about how you're ngmi as a vtuber because twitch banned you off their platform like how they banned Carol

if you're a new streamer and your first thought is about being doxxed or cancelled if you become famous you will, unequivically, absolutely, never make it
you will spend all day daydreaming about success but never take the steps to get anywhere anyway so who cares about your opinion on cancelling or whatever the fuck

Just carry the same tact you would when you're not on 4chan even if you post your stream here.
It can't be that hard

>>4912989
You're not even talking to the person you thought you where talking to, and now you're talking to someone else rather than the person you thought you thought you where talking to. Maybe you should go back to somewhere they have actual user IDs like reddit. The concept of anonymity seems basically wasted on you.

>>4913042
go put on a trip so i can filter you and your bitching

>>4912999
I'll take those digits to heart anon, but it's hard to get started without a rigged model.

>>4913075
pretty much all the /here/ tubers started either with a self rigged model or a self drawn PNG
you can also just start without any model and just voice for practice and just use the vtuber tag anyway
if someone asks just explain you're working on your model and don't quite have it ready but want to practice anyway

>>4912989
Only ngmi, indies and underage tumblr faggots think loli is pedo. Kizuna like >>4912952 said, Matsuri likes them.
>>4912999
Trips of pain checked. I will start fresh on everything but I can only imagine even when trying to scrub your traces people will still find you.

>>4913150
>jp culture is different
>but i'll be okay in the west
ogey

>>4913150
people can still find you if they want, but it's only the air you give them
the "I was a different person and don't act like that anymore" is a powerful weapon if the logs or whatever isn't illegal and is from more than 2-3 years ago
you can also just not give things air and most things will die out

god, look at nyanners, who used to make songs about loli porn and she just lets none of it stick to her

>>4912989
Anon I'm agreeing with you. I'm just responding to the assertion that canceling isn't real. It really is that simple to just not be those things. Doesn't stop people from doing it anyway on either side.

>>4913360
You wont reach dramatards no matter how much you want to. They have a rrat and that's all they care about. Everything has to fit into their rrat. Taking money and views from these kinds of people without a loyal base is a huge mistake for that reason alone.

>>4913332
I don't even have that many races online.I only streamed three times and two were tests to see in my laptop and my internet could handle it. The third one was another test but for my phone, as I streamed some gacha trash.I highly dislike nyanners for throwing her fanbase under the bus just to try to get into the VA industry. She jumped into vtubing because that didn't pan out.

What's the worst that could happen?
Gonna be playing Phantasy Star Online 2 New Genesis:
https://www.twitch.tv/zenonborgvt

>>4913587
go shill yourself in /wvt/ not here

>>4912285
My first stream was me drunkenly reading "Industrial Society and it's Future," so if I'm going to be cancelled it would be from that if anything.

>>4915334
you'd have to hit the perfect storm of having
>some twitter sjw who gives a shit
>that same twitter sjw deciding to drop by your specific stream
>get triggered
>have the clout necessary to stir up a shitstorm
>have them spread it around
before you even need to concern yourself about. they're too busy virtue signaling to each other on twitter and retweeting surgery go-fund-mes to really give a shit about indie vtubers

Is Paypal Business gonna, like, catch me if I input fake info? I don't plan on accepting payments with it, just anonymizing payments to artists.

>>4917261
Don't know how you'd be able to make a business account without giving up some real info.

how expensive is it to get a decent rigged avy?

>>4918156
what's your idea of "decent"?

I've been trying to think of fun redeems that would get viewers interested in sticking around and earning points, but at this rate I won't even hit affiliate for a while.
Is there anything you can do pre-affiliate to make a stream more interactive? Like, besides responding to people in chat?

>>4918176
Like a fully rigged Live2D model.

>>4920011
do you have any idea how little that narrows things down?

do you want a cheapo scuffed live2d model like this?
https://twitter.com/NIKOORIN/status/1384239292013109248

or are you looking for something that's high end and detailed like Iron Vertex's work?
https://twitter.com/BrianTsuii/status/1369088852997120002

>>4920078
Now that you mention it the first link is something I'd want.

anyone purchase an iphone for live2d tracking? i don't need a phone plan or anything, right? since i'm just connecting it to my desktop via wifi in vtube studio?

>>4920513
no, you just need a stand and a way to either plug it into your computer or run off wifi

>>4920513
make sure it's a model of iPhone with face unlock, any other cheaper model of iPhone will not work any better than just using a webcam

>>4920701
thanks anon

>>4920513
I highly suggest going on craigslist and looking for ones with broken screens, you can get mad discounts if you're only going to use it as a camera.

>>4920735
yeah, i'm looking at a renewed iphone x since it's the cheapest one available. and i double checked to make sure it has Face ID tech.

>>4920766
>I highly suggest going on craigslist
i would, but i get sketched out by craigslist honestly.

Reading Tarot cards on stream actually went pretty well, all things considered. Even if a few of my statements were slightly Uncle Ted-ish.

>>4921471
>he knows

>>4920128
I got my full body model rigged for $160US and it's decent. Sometimes you just gotta dig around. Look for people that have potential but haven't had many commissions yet. If you're lucky they might update it after they get better too.

>>4921598
I made a joke about my persona having lived in a shack for a while, so they only understand the USPS.

And mistakenly mispoke manuscript as manifesto.

>>4862207
Absolute overpriced garbage, Disgusting

>>4841916
Is this this Alternative Sports thread?

>>4922640
if the sport is making fools of ourselves on a livestream, yes

>>4921619
Can I see?

>>4922689
I'm an expert on that, I got out of my way to make sure I don't finish the stream sober. My avatar is literally the first thing I've ever drawn with digital art.

>>4922776
i've always wanted to try that, but don't want to get too drunk on stream and start spewing the gamer words

>>4922732
No.

>>4922822
Damn ok

>>4922795
I literally closed my stream with asking the Tarot cards if Congress will ever resume issuing Letters of Marque so it'd be possible to legally raid Chinese Martime shipping. Worst-case scenario, I can always just make a new account, scribble out a new avatar, and get another 40 day trial of cubism to rig it.

>>4922997
Honestly, this is so ridiculous that it actually works as a bit.

>>4922997
You absolute baka

>want to stream this weekend
>parents decide to make a surprise trip
>try to come up with a reason
>they're already 15 minutes away
fucking parents

>>4922640
I wonder how Luchabro is doing...

>>4923243
I'm too old and broken to reenlist for ww3, so either shitposting about it online or outright piracy are my only options to contribute.

>>4921471
did you read the cards for other viewers? or did you just ask questions to the cards
i wanted to do tarot reading streams but its always weird if no one in chat wants to get their fortune read

>someone raids
>still can't keep from panicking every time this happens
uhhhhh quick quick say something funny keep them here quick

>>4919497
You can install cloudbot

>>4926704
This was my first stream doing tarot readings desu, and I admitted I was unexperienced with it at the start. I had two new people pop in and subscribe, and ask for readings. I'm not gonna lie, for the actual readings I fell back on my training doing therapy since most of it was asking for relation advice or other interpersonal advice rather than actual divination. Although admitting I used CBT in a stream would spread a different connotation.

>>4930715
my plan for getting raided is to do a falsetto

How the fuck do you guys get over the initial hurdle of streaming? All I've done the past few days is fiddle with my audio settings because I'm scared of streaming with scuffed audio balancing.

>>4931708
I pinged a bunch of friends in /k/ servers saying "i'm gonna try that vtuber shit."

>>4931708
I just hit "Go Live" and yolo'd it. Ended the 2 hour stream with zero viewer but shaky hands. Once you realize that you're basically gonna get no one in your streams for a good 10-15 streams, it gets easier.

>>4931708
you just do it
>stream for 1-2 hours
>end stream
>go to twitch creator dashboard
>spot check parts of your vod
>hate your voice
>tinker with settings
>work on how to change whatever it is you hated

>>4931708
koopa's settings were far from perfect on her first stream, you'll be fine as long as you improve on subsequent ones

>>4931708
watch literally any pro vtuber's debut stream, 90% of them straight up refuse to watch their own debut because it's so cringey to them how bad their entire setup is

or alternatively, listen to pikamee's first few months of streams, she sounds entirely different before she found her current high pitched voice, she did basically her regular speaking voice

>>4931865
>Korone's debut stream
What a mess on every conceivable level.

>>4911858
>>4912235
If akasupas were guaranteed then I would unironically consider commissioning Asanagi for a model design. The only hing stopping me is the fucking 700 for a png and at best my budget is 350 at most.

>>4931967
Coco's debut is like an entirely different person.

>>4931967
yeah and remember that Korone and the other Hololives each have between 4-10 years of stage experience or streaming experience and they're still awkward as fuck and can barely do the voice right the first dozen times

>>4931754
>>4931747
yeah, I streamed with my voice barely audible and decided I would straight up keep recording myself messing around with the volume sliders before attempting to stream again.

I'll stream again once my internet stops bitching out on me

>>4932771
the hating your voice thing is half you haven't really put effort into vocal quality and the other half is that hearing your voice is always different than in your head
when you're talking the bones in your head resonate and amplify the lower tones so your voice is always higher and more nasally than you hear in your head

>>4933202
There are some tricks to hear something close to what other people do beyond recording and playing your voice back. If you press something decently rigid like cardboard or just noteboooks right up in front of your ears, sticking out, you can get a good idea of your own voice; or so my 3-4 years of theatre/vocal training has taught me anyway.

vocal training is unironically one of the hardest parts of streaming.

>>4936224
lucky for you, you dont have to sing to be good at streaming as proven by many many many streamers that already exist outside of the vtubing scene