/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>48400821
the japanese are addicted to that


there was a video of Coco explaning it bit I cannot find the clip

>>48400821
Bruh, it's practically ingrained in their entertainment culture. It's only a few steps away from anime.

>>48400821
It's not rocket science. There's a lot less dedicated EN VTuber fans compared to JP, especially considering that the general EN weeb community shames the subsection of weebs that are into VTubers.

>>48400821
im going to give you an exact answer and a tldr up awsers.
>Exact
The reason vtubing exploded in the west was because of the lockdowns, where everyone was at home and had nothing to do, so they went to the internet to find something to do, and out of those things came streaming. With the end of the lockdown, those same people went back to their normal lives and had no more reasons to stay on their computers for entertainment.
>tldr awser
Vtubing was nothing but a fad in the west

>>48400821
The best streamers in Japan gravitate to become Vtubers because anonymity is highly valued in Japan, many creators in all industries do not show their faces or real names.
Outside of the Japan streamers will just use facecams. The pool of people becoming vtubers is much fewer and of less quality.

>>48401280
>The reason vtubing exploded in the west was because of the lockdowns, where everyone was at home and had nothing to do, so they went to the internet to find something to do, and out of those things came streaming.

Close but you missed a step. KNow what else locked/shut down? Anime studios + Hollywood. There were tons of bored anime fans, looking to scratch that itch.

>>48401321
>anonymity is highly valued in Japan

>>48401280
Are there any stats to back this up? Specifically, are there stats showing a bigger (temporary) lockdown bump for EN tubers than for JP tubers?

>>48400821
Japanese are a lot more invested in vtubers yes but Holojp is still the weird one, there retention and growth rate is simply insane 3 years ago only pekora was able to pull in the hours to be on the list, but now 6 of them are there the only other vtuber that is consistant and can compete with holojp is kuzuha who too is always surpassed by multiple holos in 1V1
TIL. although vtubers are popular and mainstream in japan, holojp is simply a different beast that shouldn't really be used as a benchmark to compare with

>>48400821
salome doko?

>>48401537
yeah, just compare EN number in 2021 and early 2022 to now,

>>/vt/image/sBgQ6_aoW8ZYVWT6kwIkvw
Only two but I can already see the partern of your shitpost

>>48401629
>Hololive vtubers
And she dosent pull in as many hours as most holos here

>>48401511
yeah, thats kinda what i meant, the more normafag kind of weebs had nothing to do, so they just saw this cute anime girl and went with it

Just like EN/ES flesh vs JP flesh.
And vtubers are beating JP flesh except the biggest JP like Jun.

>>48401629
Doesn't she stream like 1 hour?
Retard strength adds to the list, it's the reason Koyo and Watame are there

>>48400821
Why don't you go live in Japan if you want to understand them, retard. The market for anime just barely broke higher sales globally then in Japan. So for years it's been a very much Japanese exclusive market. Everyone loves it there. EN is a different market. They're not completely sold on vtubing even if they like anime. Merchandise is also different

>>48400821
EN vtubing was a mistake.

>>48400821
Normal streamers are far more popular in the west. xQc, hasan, ludwig, etc are the truly popular streamers while vtubers are a relative niche here.

>>48402993
>Why don't you go live in Japan
were it so easy

>>48403321
>Ludwig
Lol no holos surpass him by a large margin now.
On the grand scheme of things holos are at the top of mid level stremers, they have a little higher average and a higher cealing (multiple 100k stremes) it's just that the gap between mid level and high level stremers is simply far too large the once at twitch are simply monsters

>>48400821
Because anime and vtubers are mainstream in Japan.
In the west it's still very niche.

>>48400821
they work harder and jp land accepts them better

The amount of brain-fart in the post and some of comments here is outstanding.. Can some OPs here might do a little google search first or even sense the difference of JP vs. EN culture before posting this dumb questions..

>>48400821
Because Homobeggars can't speak Japanese so they leave the JP girls(mostly) alone.

>>48403534
It's easy enough to visit. I've been over there twice myself. Good times

>>48400821
Because they're better entertainers, simple as.

There's a reason vtubers exploded in the west when it was just clips of JP and are now dying out since the western industry is dominated by western vtubers instead of the JP vtubers.

EN was huge for a bit but Hololive EN has spit on, shit on, and thrown away every bit of goodwill they were offered.

>>48400821
>Why are the pioneers of the industry more well known and popular than the western leech counterparts?
I wonder why, anon

>>48404843
A lot of Homobeggers on JP side too.
You just can't read the moon runes.

>>48400821
HoloID took a huge portion of HoloEN viewership. And HoloID will take even more. Non-western chuubas that English just do it better. Even if they're southeast Asian

>>48400821
>>48405102
Because of South East Asia people.

They are fluent in both Japanese and English. They love JP like Suisei but shit to EN and Homobeggers.

>>48400821
If there are 10x as many English speakers as Japanese yet the Japanese girls get upwards of 10x more viewership, then proportionally for populations the Japanese care about their top chuubas 100x more. That puts into context just how irrelevant we actually-are, it's just that even a tiny minute number of EN speakers is still-competitive with the massive JP interest. If we had proportional interest as they do the EN girls should have CCVs in the hundreds of thousands. They don't though, because almost nobody has that outside the very tip-top of Twitch - which indicates there is a cap for the appetite of streamers in general of a couple-hundred K max, streamers as a format just won't get to like mainstream TV level relevance I don't think.

>>48405271
HoloID next gen is going to fuckin eviscerate HoloEN

you know thr answer frogposter kun

>>48400821
Because JP vtubers behave like actual vtubers and not like whores/normalfags with anime avatars like 99.9% of the EN vtubers do, and then there's ayame and towa, but even these turds can pretend on stream.
It doesn't really matter if you can't understand what JP vtubers say, at least you can watch/listen to a cute girl do cute things, EN vtubers? might as well watch/listen to a normal e-thot on twitch, the difference isn't very noticeable once you tab out.

>>48401585
3 years ago Korone and Fubuki were the top tiers and Pekora was in the second tier with a few others. Pekos numbers and consistancy have skyrocketed in recent years

>>48400821
>For the graph, VTubing started in Japan so they obviously will have been around longer to build up more watched hours. Myth debuted a full year after Pekora started after all, over a full year after she'd already built up a fanbase
>Lots of Westerners haven't really caught onto anime in general, so a streamer with an anime model is also hard for them to approach, for the Japanese its normalized. Anime is just their style of cartoons, its everywhere, therefore not off-putting at first.
>Live Streaming started in the West, but was focused on streamers with IRL cams, so that's the norm & expectation. Plus these streamers are already well established, and VTubers have to break ground into the market as outsiders.
>Westerners aren't that big into the whole idol thing, they tend to not care that much about the music and such.
>At least when it comes to stuff like Hololive, there's a lot of stream lore and stuff related to a streamer that can filter a lot of people from it. If you go to a Western streamer, none of that really matters and theres very little lore you need to be caught up on.
>Otaku culture is really big in Japan. People will spend half their entire income dedicated to one anime girl from a show released 15 years ago. Not really a thing in most Western countries.

There's probably more reasons, but its just sorta the cultural norm in Japan and that's why VTubers caught on, and originated in Japan.

It was prescient of yagoo to choose Youtube even though Twitch was the biggest streaming platform 3 years ago.
He knew that the Twitch community was already a cancer on the industry.

>>48400821
>ask anyone in the world what is a vtuber
>ask a kid in japan who your favourite vtuber
That your problem

>>48405053
The difference is homobeggar always get condemn in jp side while in EN they encourage it or let it fester.

>>48401537
People like to talk about a cull in CCV for English so unsure how much truth there is to such a thing or not but before it happened Gura was regularly getting 40k CCV with every stream of hers, consistently beating Pekora in late 2020.

>>48401517
Now tell me if that law did pass or not.

>>48400821
Because they actually stream, unlike holoen.

>>48408963
Gura never beat Pekora in average CCV from what I remember.
Her highest month was a 45k average peak in a month where Pekora had 46k average peak CCV.
Back then view counts were just higher in general.

>>48405497
I think HoloSEA may be next.

>>48400953
If anyone finds it please post it.

>>48406947
Fubuki was attacked by chink and Nip fear chink so they left Fubuki because of spam.

>>48400821
>Why do JP vtubers get so many more views than EN vtubers?
Indie/Twitch vtubers are barely vtubers

>>48401647
You're making your claims on the trends of the entire industry just off of HoloEN numbers aren't you? lmao

Hololive jp is just better we can try all the coping explaination we want but They keep growing and holoEn doesnt.
You can bet that if HoloEN had someone with the Charisma entertainement ability and work ethic of Subaru,Pekora korone and etc they would be on that list.
If Gawr Gura for exemple streamed the same hours as iroha in this pic she would be on a good place on this list.

>>48400821
YT culls EN viewers much harder than JPs. Ask Susan or Neal to fix their dumb viewer verification algorithm

>>48416014
If the meme that adblockers reduce view count is true then that would probably explain some of it. Nips don't use adblockers as much.

>>48401537
>>48401647
>>48415385
Looking at big corpos numbers, HomoEN debuts hurt HoloEN way more than the end of lockdown. Ever since HomoEN debut, HoloEN's numbers have been trending downwards with no clear sign of recovery.
While lockdown ending might have affected EN VTubers viewerships to some extents, it doesn't seem that significant seeing that HoloEN was still close (not neck-to-neck per se, but close enough) to HoloJP in term of average viewership until, well, omegatranny thought HomoEN and mixed collab was a good idea

>>48400821
They actually stream anon, if you are a 10k streamer and actually gives a shit you will be part of the most viewed streamers, if someone like Kaela was more popular you would've seen her in the top 5

I'm glad the retarded Twitch culture is dead.
It's instant karma that twitch people are dead in the water for not making an effort to entertain their audience after covid was over.

>>48416543
99.99% of EN VTubers aren't "10k streamer", though.
Heck, isn't Gura the only one right now? No other HoloEN / NijiEN members managed to get 10k average recently. Ironlung is supposedly the biggest VTuber on Twitch and she was only 7.4k average with Twitch magic number in March so the grass isn't greener on other platform either.
Funny that the one with biggest number among EN VTubers (corpos and indies included) is also the one who streamed the least (among corpo VTubers)

>>48401517
>something is highly valued
>this means no dumb corrupted politician would ever think of changing that

>>48400821
how is Koyori so popular?

>>48416711
I'd say if you average between 8k-10k and pull the hours you will get in the top10, fucking mouse is in it and she is not even close to a normal Gura stream BUT she fucking streams her whole life since she has nothing else to do

I am but a traveler that was just passing by from other boards, allow me to give my humble opinion as a kind of outsiders as I don't really like watching streams that much

Pekora shenanigans are 1000% more entertaiing than every western vtuber doing nothing but slut talk and dude sex lmao
In the end this is a industry that was made by and being supported by both idolfags (which I don't particulaly like but I respect) and nerds that want to watch people play vidya or just girls being cute

Dunno about the EN Hololive members maybe it's because Japanese can't get into it and en speakers don't actually spend that much money compared to hardcore otakus

That is my humble opinion, peace

>>48417168
Propably decent to good content and she grinds like mad. Isn't she almost Kaela tier when it comes to stream time?

EN doesn't have someone like Pekora or Suisei.

>>48400821
Most of the EN audience is on Twitch.

>>48400821
English streaming audiences are mainly on Twitch, which has different demographics than Youtube on the whole. Ironically, Twitch still relies on Youtube for new eyes and channel growth, because a Twitch audience member is typically captive even on the same platform. A Twitch viewer will only be able to view a handful of streamers at most, since Twitch streamers usually maintain longer hours in order keep their audience's attention. This is also partly due to how Twitch is built around live streaming and has culled support for VODs.
One thing about corpo VTubing that differs from most Twitch streams, is that you're typically constrained by your permissions. Being able to audible into something completely different, unexpected, or go into "variety gaming" is an asset that seems commonplace for most English streamers and their audiences.
But ultimately, it depends on the individual streamer to generate content and come up with ideas to capture new audiences. The strength of a streamer is partially based on personality, but I like to thing that the barometer of a good streamer is the ability to make a shitty/boring game into content. Someone with a manic personality can keep audiences excitement levels high, but someone with a softer personality that's able to fill the air and talk about things besides just reacting directly to what's happening in the game increases the overall entertainment value.

Wait, wasn't Sakamata the one doing the best in Holo X?

>>48400821
more JP vtubers than ENs