/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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>>48340874
You are correct. It's the truth. This is madness and a waste of time. I should be doing work instead of wasting my time thinking of creative ideas or witty posts. Ah well. Thanks for the sobering reminder.

>>48340970
do you not love your oshi?

>I'm fairly confident that if we met in real life we'd have a good shot of being friends
No, you wouldn't, anon. Even the most menhera of girls will always prefer the company of sociable, capable men and those men aren't here everyday for hours on end and don't have "oshis". Regardless of how many hobbies or favorite games you may have in common with her, she would probably regard you as just another grey face in an endless sea. And as an annoying bug, if you're particularly persistent with your efforts. Add this to the sobering realization you've just had here.

>>48341148 (me)
Creative ideas meaning ideas for funny threads and images to get a discussion going here. But it's pointless to entertain faceless people on the internet. That's probably what vtubers feel as well. In the end, we are all trying to find meaning in this little speck of time we have. As long as we try our best, and try to be kind, things will probably turn out ok and without regrets.

>>48341155
No. They are a random woman I sometimes watch, if they graduated tomorrow I would just watch someone else. Also, that isn't really what your post is about. You're talking about being a disgusting simp. GSH

>>48341579
nah, pretty sure you're wrong on that one. I could be wrong though, can't change things either way!

To this day I have not received a satisfactory answer for when I ask vtuber fans how they're functionally different from the 20 year old twitter white women who proclaim their undying devotion to Taylor Swift or BTS or some other Kpoop band.

>>48340874
Anonchama, this is the exact same thing humans have done with celebrities and popular figures in general. It's normal to feel this attached to people you will never be known by.

>>48341579
As evidenced by all the millionaire and billionaire divorcees, the fact of the matter is it’s possible to climb to the peak of the social pyramid and still fail completely to connect with a woman to the point she’s okay with taking half your shit and running. Humans are fundamentally flawed and true love is vanishingly rare.

>>48340874
>Are we weird?
Yes, literally Yes

>>48340874
Vtubers are the perfect alternative to spending time with women in real life and you're complaining about it? What the absolute fuck is wrong with you? Okay, go have a real life relationship with a woman and let her drive you up the wall. Maybe then you'll understand why vtubers are superior and quit your bitching. Stupid faggot.

>>48342459
You get tons of personal (personal, not intimate) interaction with your oshi if she’s a 3view or lower. I’d argue it’s a lot more similar to having a favorite girl at a cabaret or hostess club than being a fanboy for a huge entertainer, in the sense that you’re usually getting something in return besides the ‘entertainment product’.

I’m not sure what fans of huge chuubas get out of being so attached, though. You’d have to ask one directly.

>>48342459
This is what made me think of this. I saw the wild mineraft drama on twitter, thought it was ridiculpous and then realized i'm not any different. Sobering thought

>>48342811
I watch vtubers to give me the strength to aproach social situations i'm not comfortable with and struggle in. You use them as a tool to run away from reality and act like a coward instead of trying to improve yourself.

We are not the same

>Gen Autistic finding out what it's like to watch a streamer
How hard is it to understand what the job of an entertainer is? They make you smile, you leave money in the tip jar, and you occasionally get to make monkey noises in the peanut gallery. That's it. If you thought it was anything else you need to get off the internet and find a new hobby.

Things like this allow freedom from the past discrete states of social being. In the past, it was 'be trapped in a reciprocal relationship of some sort or be alone.' Today people can adjust their exposure like gradually turning on and off a faucet.

You're assuming everyone wants what you want (or think you want), a real relationship with the vtuber. Some people are here because they don't want or 100% believe they can't stand being in one. The impossibility is a feature, not a bug. You think everyone who screams about wifing someone really means it? It's like a rage room. You can go wild with expressing your base desires precisely because it's 'safe', avoiding the actual detrimental outcomes, were you to actually follow through with them in real life, of being forced to see someone every day or have responsibilities towards them.

>>48340874
You're weird for caring about people you don't personally know. I can drop any online dancing monkey I watch the very next day. I couldn't care less if their dog died, their dad died, or their family gets caught up in a house fire. To the extent I do care, that is also part of the entertainment.

>>48340874
Feeling that I'm worrying and cheering someone makes me feel alive, so I don't care being just one more number

>>48340874
yes, that's why i don't care about nijiEN, because they are virtual streamers, while i care about holoEN because they are not virtual streamers

>>48340874
I don't care that much about them. I watch them for entertainment, and I come to this board for drama.

>>48342822
I can agree with you there. But still, is having this hostess girl dynamic with a woman who will not only never sleep with you nor show any genuine interest in your personal wellbeing, but also never physically perceive you, a good thing? You don't grow an undying devotion to the female bartender or the hostess girl(or atleast you shouldn't) right?. You show up, have a chat, leave some money, and take your leave. You don't obsess over her on internet forums, buy the whiskey with her face on it or go to war with online strangers to guard her honour.

>>48340874
I want to break free of this shitty hobby so bad...
But i am a loser lacking willpower.

>>48343349
Thanks Ame, very cool

>>48343349
>You use them as a tool to run away from reality and act like a coward instead of trying to improve yourself.
Kek. I sincerely hope vtubers give you the strength to approach social situations and get friends and a girlfriend so you can discover for yourself how horrifying and soul-draining it all is. Then you'll realize vtubers are superior to actual human relationships and feel extremely silly for ever arguing otherwise.

>>48343607
>You think everyone who screams about wifing someone really means it?
Most of them unironically want to, yes. And I, for one second, don't believe that the average vtuber fan only watches vtubers because they're volcels and not because they see acquiring a partner as a sheer impossibility for one reason or the other and therefore substitute their desire for a maternal or female presence with their favorite cartoon waifu. The people you're talking about, the ones that don't really care that much, don't come here everyday. They don't make threads talking about marrying their oshi, or sexing them, raping them etc. That's just a sad cope to deflect away from your own inabilities.

>>48340874
> literally never donated or membered a vtuber
> as a gray I wrote something in broken romaji japanese to suisei & she responded to me and called me cute
> it's a fairly popular clip now.
> I will always have this with me.
> many times gura read my comment, despite being gray
> had an almost 5 minute conversation with Mel on her stream
> don't really watch ina, one time decided to check her stream, wrote something about gundam, she responded & started the debate about it
> and I don't even the're easy ones like mori, kiara, watame, kaela, moona, ollie. Have hope

>>48343607
...So everyone else is just being a bitch and I'm one of the only ones real enough to be emotionally vulnerable?

>>48343763
you don't care if someone who brings you joy dies? that's genuinely sociopathic

>>48344508
Nah, it's been long enough that you can just look at how all posting, that included, always waxes and wanes with any vtuber's popularity. If you were really, genuinely infatuated with someone, when they dip, that's when you pick it up. It appeals to savior syndrome, she's more reachable than ever before, you're on the verge or victory - and yet, mysteriously, such posting always dies down when they lose popularity when it should be flooding everywhere, every day. Almost like they don't truly care.
Fact of the matter is for many they're closer to sports teams. People who would never kick a ball being armchair analysts and killing each other over a club. They could go out and play a nice game of football any time if they really wanted that. Why not? They love talking about it, thinking about it, fighting over it. But they don't like it enough to play it.

>>48340874
welcome to the entertainment world my little redditor, where everything is and will always be shit, pick your poison, we have stupid and cringe reality shows, blue pilled night shows, manipulated news media, cartoons to make kids retarded, tv dramas and shows to make women believe they are always the victim, movies made by woke faggots that dont even have the slightest respect for the audience they want to exploit, etc. this media may not be the best, but the least is not as bad as the more traditional ones.

>>48344377
Wow, you must be in a really dark place anon. I'm sorry you feel that way and I hope your life gets better

>>48344172
I think the issue is calling yourself a loser. Even if you say you don't believe it, that kinda negative reinforcement is just gonna make it more likely to be true

>>48344377
Not our fault you pick em like shit

Don't hitch your trailer to the first car that sails by next time

>>4834087

There's noting wrong with being a little parasocial, but this entire board is dedicated to taking it too far. There's not a single post that doesn't overstep a boundary that any normal person wouldn't cross

Enjoy entertainment for what it is and don't forget that you're probably miserable for about 40 other reasons

>>48345400
Welcome to the flipside of being 'parasocial'. They might not think about it but that's how most casual viewers of anything, including vtubers, genuinely feel, that's probably how you feel about some other content creators, too, and frankly, the only 'sociopathic' thing is being unaware of how it would be taken to the point that you express those sentiments in polite company.

Think about it. I have dozens of content creators on my subscription list. I look forward to seeing a kiwami japan video appear on my feed. But would I be sad if he died? Not really. I don't feel any connection to him, and in fact, that's part of the beauty of his videos, the way he makes them so that there's minimum human connection. If I were to be perfectly honest, I might even commit the sin of feeling sorry for myself and the world that we probably won't get any more knife videos in that style. But I wouldn't really feel anything for him personally, and I think that's perfectly normal. People just don't like to think about it because it might make them feel bad about themselves.

>>48340874
same can be say for 4chan, why are we here? it's just the same trolls and schizos again and again, don't even put effort into their baits. If reddit is a hugbox shithole, this place is just shithole, can't even be the good opposite shithole of reddit.

>>48340874
Roru it's just entertainment bro wtf is wrong with you people?

>>48340874
This phenomenon reminds me of the hyperreality theory by Baudrillard that I studied in college. I guess I'm lucky enough to not fall into the parasocial trap. I always wonder how some people are so into this hobby of watching and donating to idols in exchange of a small chance of being temporarily noticed. I will never understand idol culture.

>>48347814
It's not a 'small chance' once you realize that their real target isn't the vtuber but the people in the fan discord or Twitter. Some people get high over carving out their mini-fiefdoms. Some weeks back Kronii got hundreds of gift subs because of a feud between rival fan factions where one really wanted to piss off the other.

>>48340874
gay but relatable

>>48343177
This made me think that too. Anime is also a distraction from real life when I should be working instead. Sobering thought

hell yeah it's weird and maybe not exactly healthy. but it was worse before

I simply love watching cute girls do cute things do distract me from my dull life, and of course there's nothing I love watching more than the cutest girl, my oshi. It's that simple.

>>48340874
My chuuba is not parasocial.
So I feel like I watch some dork-sister. It's cute

>>48340874
True. That's why I don't member/superchat, don't make plans to watch streams, only watch when it convenient for me, otherwise catch VODs while cooking/doing laundries and stuff.

>>48344172
You can't just break free and do nothing. You have to find some other hobbie first to replace this one.

>>48340874
I literally cannot cope and I have nothing real to pursue.
This is desperation that a 0.001% chance is better than a 0% chance.

>>48340874
This is a unicorn's sad lot in life.

>>48340874
Perhaps. I'll admit to being somewhat detached enough that the streams just seem like long TV shows. I watch when I can on my breaks at work, sometimes during work, or at home. I'm membered to 4 holos just to see extra content; though lately one of them is definitely doing more member streams than regular ones.

I never superchat though. MFs be spending whole car payments just to get a girl to talk to them over the internet for 30 seconds. It's like damn, you could have bought a hooker with that or something if you were THAT down bad.

Probably helps that they're all white girls that are PROBABLY ten years my junior; and I've had my fill of 20 somethings in general. Couldn't pay me enough for THAT headache again.

>>48354209
Any suggestions?

>>48340874
go back

>>48340874
Why are you like this?

>>48342459
We’re really not that different and I don’t see why anyone else would pretend otherwise. We’re both people that spend a lot of time talking about celebrities with other fans of said celebrities.

>>48340874
It's okay, OP. At least you aren't a Deadbeat. Unless you are in which I take it back and you should an hero immediately.

>>48340874
not reading all that but yes, it’s weird as fuck, but don’t let that stop you

>>48341579
>>48341579
No I'm the best man for my oshi. If she saw me our eyes would connect and we would fall in love instantly. I'm really cool and she likes cool guys. I'm different from the rest, I'm more of a free thinker

>>48340874
That's why I dropped hololive and started watching indie vtubers. I had more meaningful conversations with some random chuubas I've watched for the first time than I did with my oshi in two years. I know you can't really talk to 10k people, but to not respond to a 100 comments, or at least give them a like? Fuck off. A year with 10 viewers would remind them to appreciate their fans more.
Still hard to believe how much time and effort I've wasted being just a number for a random woman who doesn't know I exist and who leads much better life than I do. Makes me puke.
At least I'm awake now. Use your own moment of clarity and either drop this vtubing shit completely, or check some indies yourself. Find actual relationships with humans instead of being just a consumer of a product.

>>48340874
I'm lonely, I watch vtubers to ease my loneliness, they make me happy, I love them, I often fantasize being their lover, but that's it. I am well aware that none of those will ever come true, and so I don't agonize over it. It's just entertainment in the end.

>>48340874
My oshi knows I'm there. I also can't leave because she might get sad

>>48340874
Vesper didn't give up. He worked hard until he got where he is today. And now he's Kronii's best friend.
If you can't be like Vesper, that's your problem, not ours.

>>48359447
>Vesper
WHo is she?

>>48355628
Really depends a lot on your preferences. Could be anything like watching anime and playing vidiya or even sports like going out and running/cycling.

>>48344508
I'm sorry, how is making threads here supposed to get you closer to your oshi? Regardless of whether she comes or not here, do you imagine that she will analyze the writing style of everyone on /vt/ and cross reference that with public account to try to figure out the real identite of that anon doing work in the dark? Now, I realize that this scenario is insane. But what you're describing, making threads, stuff like that, is not work to get closer to your oshi. It's the exact opposite, busywork that doesn't change your position.

You're also being way too nice with yourself and other people in your situation. Of all the people, you fell in love with one of the most inaccessible ones. Okay why not, that happens. But some people do get close to them. They talk on twitter, make art, games, talk in the chat. But you somehow ended up on 4chan. And stayed here. While watching other people getting closer to her.

A thing to keep in mind: when people say "It's impossible", they're trying to gather excuses to not even try, because if you don't try you won't have to do anything and even avoid failure.

Finally, what exactly have you done for your oshi? She has given you lots. Some people have given her fanarts, support, love. And you ... make threads on 4chan? What exactly are you expecting? "I thought long and hard about marrying my producer, but I realized that it was the rape threads that kept me going all along, and chose anon."

And again, making threads on 4chan and coming here every day does nothing to get you closer to your oshi. But it keeps you busy so you don't have to think too much about it, and eats your free time to make sure you never get a chance.

>>48340874
Yes you're weird. It was about time you understood these women's aren't your girlfriend. Stop giving them money maintaining another man's woman that's prime cuck behavior there unironically.

>>48341579
as someone who knows some decent sized vtubers in real life, this is true. Vtubers will sometimes like their fans but never do they ever respect them

>>48344377
what one failed tinder date does to a man

>>48342549
Sometimes I wonder if it's even worth bothering with stuff like relationships. I don't even mean romantically, but it's messed up how humans desire each other's company, but we constantly end up worse once we get it.

>>48361020
>it's messed up how humans desire each other's company, but we constantly end up worse once we get it.
No? The total sum of the positive and the negative is positive, and I would guess by a very marge margin. Most people in the world feel like their life is worth it, even if there are some hard moments.

>>48360651
>Stop giving them money maintaining another man's woman
What an EOP truly believes

>>48361394
It doesn't feel that way considering all the vocal negativity that seems to be around. And the positivity tends to come off in an inauthentic way. But maybe I'm just projecting.

>>48340874
I am literally too well known by my oshi
I don't even want to be
It's not a 2 view or something either and I genuinely love her but I just hopped on Mr bones wild ride at some point and the ride truly never ends
I miss the warm comfort of feeling safe in the hive and feeling her love directed at us as a hive

>>48340874
OP, it's not weird. Don't beat yourself up about it, no one is a fucking freak for loving their oshi and thinking about this. I've been in a spot similar to you where once a constant stream of happiness and entertainment in my life somehow started to drain me once I started thinking about how insignificant I truly was to them, and how we'll never have any form of meaningful connection.

But that doesn't matter. Don't look at it like that. Say I'm coping, but chances are your oshi does care for you, but they just can't care in the same way a real person can, and you shouldn't care for them as if they were a real person. You need to look at it through a different lens. You can't use chuubas as a substitute for real connections. Even if it makes you feel better for a little while, it'll only hurt more in the end.

And no, I'm not saying don't care for or drop your oshi. I'm not like that other fag parading the idea that if your oshi literally fucking dies you shouldn't care for more than a few hours. Its just that you can't use her as if there's a real, healthy relationship because it will always be one sided if you look at it that way. We show them our support, they provide us with entertainment and good times. There's a connection there, just a different type of connection. I guarantee you even if your oshi doesn't know you on a personal level, she would still wish the best for you and you should feel the same for her.

>None of these women will never know we exist
speak for yourself faggot my oshi called me cute twice because of a funny comment I made

>>48340874
>It might as well be mental masturbation. We're pretending to have connections we never will.

Why do sports fans get so happy when their team wins when they didn't do anything?
Why do we feel immersed in any fiction when its not real?

Everything you said applies to any hobby. You say mental masturbation, I say its a mental workout. At least you can feel something.

>>48340874
Vtubers are entertainment, and we should learn to see them just like that. We shouldn't give them more space in our lives than we do to a movie or game.
And it's hard because they are trying to seel that entertainment as being our friends or even our girlfriends, but what do we get in return? Just someone playing a character, not different from watching a character in a movie or a game. Just entertainment.
Don't give anyone more than what they are giving you. Don't waste your life on them, don't waste your money on them, don't waste your love on them.

>>48363871
>we should do this and shouldn't do that

>>48340874
>when I have the opportunity to connect with real ones in my day-to-day life.
most of us don't have this in the first place

>>48341579
Based and true. All women are roasties at the end of the day.

>>48344532
>> as a gray I wrote something in broken romaji japanese to suisei & she responded to me and called me cute
You fucking bastard, you have no idea how lucky you are

>>48340874
No woman in real life can compare to Mumei. I'd rather have a one-sided relationship with the perfect girl than force myself to like some roastie irl.

>>48360651
>It was about time you understood these women's aren't your girlfriend
This is what every retard in /vt/ actually think, giving donation to a content they enjoy = they want to be their girlfriend. It like those twitter faggot complain short women = pedo. It doesn't make sense.

pretty basic existential crisis you're having

>>48365939
>>48361554

>>48363414
Why you bring logic in this, we know he gonna twist it, let they do their mental gymnastics alone.

>>48340874
I kinda want this thread to get a sticky, it would make all the /vt/ to go in flames

>>48343349
cope

>>48340874
You must be 18 and above to post on 4chan.

>>48340874
I met my oshi before. She commissioned me to make her emotes on twitter. We had a few simple chats on twitter with her manager present, and she behaved exactly like she did on stream. Used emotes in talking and I thought "wow she's so cute." It was quite enjoyable, and felt good to be recognised.

I enjoy going on stream and knowing she will know me, but I think actually seeing her behind the scenes, seeing her manager who would be really chill and talk about his wife, it made me realize "holy shit, these people are living their own lives. I can't ever be them." No matter how hard I try, I won't be in her inner circle. For us consumers streaming is entertainment but something about seeing her like that behind the scenes slapped me to wake up and see it's also a business they depend on. I am not their friends. It made me want to live my own life, instead of chasing hers. I got the recognition I wanted and I'm picking myself up. This year I joined a vocaloid fanclub and met many hololive fans. It's been great.

I hope you all can one day find reason in life. I am getting there but have a long way to go

>>48366670
No one wants to hear the truth.

>>48367903
Cope with what? You being a loser? Done. Don't know you. Don't care about you. While you remain friendless and maidenless, I'll be strengthening my bonds with people outside of here. You could do the same but you choose not to. Deal with it.

>>48343349
>watching vtubers to socialize with 3DPD wamen
NGMI

>>48340874
What if I tell you I’m going to build a vtuber bot that will remember all her viewers by name and all important information told to her. Would that change anything?

>>48341579
Women are horrible.

>>48342549
>fail completely to connect with a woman to the point she’s okay with taking half your shit and running.
Gee I wonder why that is. Clearly the man is at fault here

>>48341579
Projection

>>48340874
your question is poorly framed, these arent streamers, these are vtubers. there is a difference. ask proper questions.

Child learns about streaming culture and is sad about it, more at 7.

I was thinking the other day "why do I know so much about the 5 streamers I watch? Why do I know so much about their lives as if I would be quizzed on it one day? Why did I do all these reps?"

I eventually shrugged it off with an "at least I'm not a psycho that jacks off to and fantasizes about having sex with these streamers. I just think they're funny/entertaining.

I don't get how anyone can sexualize any of these streamers. It's like getting a boner looking at Nagisa (Clannad) it's just not morally correct. Smiles only, boners get out.

Don't expect addicts to agree with you or anything.
They will tell you it's obvious and then go back to watching another 7-hours stream.

bump

>>48340874
Sounds like you are a newfag at life.
>I'm fairly confident that if we met in real life we'd have a good shot of being friends,
Yup underage indeed