/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

it's okay anon you did your best

>forgot the thread label
Well, maybe it'll keep out the spergs.

>no title
it's truly the beginning of the end for the org

Also
>(embed) (embed)
is back. Feels nostalgic.

I wish I was Nazuna's panties

>>48284785
>two different threads made
>embed
>no subject

POINT AT HIM AND LAUGH

Hold onto your butts, here's a new hottness for Mel! No title, but some serious hips, by @UnngiunngiU

>>48284882
Probably should use the other one.

>>48284898
So many varieties of little things that can come and go on the outfit, too.

>>48284911
nah this one was first

Nazuna has a panel at AX

sorry, first time baking... I tried.
If I have to bake ever again, I'll do it better.

>>48284930
For you butt lovers, the backside.

>>48284911
the title is important, but it's not like the thread is literally unusable

>>48284958
Finally some representation

>>48284955
I forgive you because you are cute

>>48284911
I don't think we can since this one was first

>>48284785
>No subject
fucking jobber

>>48284955
correction is required

>>48284955
it's fine
these faggots just love coomplaining about everything

>>48284955 (me)
I tried to delete the thread too to create it again, but it wouldn't let me.

>>48284955
It's ok bro

>>48285030
Can't delete threads, sadly, only mods can do that. Don't worry about it, you wouldn't believe how many thread OPs I fucked up over the last two years.

>>48285030
Can't be deleted after the first post. Don't worry about it.

>>48284955
its fine, but if you ever fuck up again anon... your oshi will be very disappointed in you

>>48285234
Imagine donating cum through her IV tube

>>48285390

>>48285411

>>48284955
it's really cute how retarded you are
don't worry about it bro

So if Vei and Soda breaks up. What is she gonna do?

>>48285459
Ask Nyan if she has a spare room

OP autists just make me want to bake a shitty thread sometime
Like just scroll down

>>48285506
kek

>>48285459
Either retire or keep streaming. Vei is pretty much set for life. She has fuck you money.

>>48285508
We see the other thread, anon, but this one was first.

Also, shipfags gonna shipfag:
https://twitter.com/JQHNHARQLD/status/1651835100768923650

>>48285459
she is fucked

>>48285527
>raisining

>>48285492
UK toilet not suited for Kson's majestic hip.

>>48285459
Probably go into mini hiatus lasting about 3-4 months.

numberfags

>>48285527
COOOONNNORRRRR

>>48285560
try a year

>>48284955
*Mating press*

>>48285522
>She has fuck you money.
IDK about that. I wouldn't be surprised if she's been extremely frivolous this entire time though that's the case for most of the girls. I have a feeling a lot of them are going to regret the half-assed schedules they're currently enjoying.

>>48285459
join vshojo

>>48285666
She would never be /in/.

>>48285522
>soda has fuck you money
ftfy. vei has "i can maybe talk shit money"

>>48285660
Buying houses or renting in expensive places is the only thing I have heard the girls do that strikes me as frivolous, though it's a big thing.

>>48285660
Isn't her portion of the rent something like $7k/month? Even if you have hundreds of thousands of dollars that's nothing to sneeze at.

>>48285735
it seems that vei has a lot of faith in her relationship

Where did that retard go?

>>48285877
and the funny thing is that vei was the one who wanted to pay half of it

>>48285886
I mean yeah, they are taking it pretty seriously

>>48285906
You have to say his name three times.

>>48285660
>>48285735
You people don't know what the phrase "fuck you money" actually means, do you? Vei couldn't have kept this behavior up if she didn't have fuck you money. Leaving VShojo is exactly the fuck you part of the origins of the phrase. So she still likely has fuck you money.

Scoured all the fanart tags by hand because my TweetDeck is FUBAR, so let's start with Nyan to celebrate.

>>48285886
which is fine, i wish them the best. but its def not riding on vei's money. there's a reason soda has been going overdrive on shitty sponsors lately

The artist swears this is Nyan and not related at all to anything or anyone else.

>talking about vei here

Nipples.

>>48286027
it does say nyanners in the conrner

>>48286027
Looks like Nyan and Pippa had a child. Behold the fated Pipcat

>>48286037
This is her home

This image is toxic, it does more damage over time

>>48286027

>>48286078
Simpler times

>>48286037
She was an institution to this thread for 2 years, anon. People are going to have to adjust and it's only been a couple of days. I think Writer OP was planning on adding a "former members" section, which is probably a good idea. They're not dead and left on good terms, so they're still relevant to VShojo's history and always will be.

>>48285527
CONNOOOORRRRRRRRR

>>48286105
Holy balls, forgot to include a fanart. I'm a failure.

>>48286105
>left on good terms
Well one did.

>>48285660
>>48285735
Stop coping that 10k streamers with merch aren't millionaires

>>48286105
>left on good terms

>>48286143
Gunrun took all of Vei's money

>>48286141
Meh, it'll be forgotten and maybe some good will come of it. Remember, it doesn't matter what you or I think, only what the girls think, and most of them are expressing continued friendship with Vei and Silver.

That being said, I collect and post fanart but will only collect and not post them from now on.

>>48286141
>>48286150
NTA but even with Silver she is only on bad terms with one person, everyone else pretty much said they are chill

>>48286162
Profiting from the work of others is truly degenerate, 'managers' deserve the rope

>>48286143
I'm still laughing when the twitch thing leaked and people were surprised at how much they make, and that did not even include merchandise and sponsors

>>48286188
Even Froot is hosting Silver's current stream

>>48286196
Those backpacks don't fund themselves. Should have read the contract and noticed the 95/5 split.

>>48286143
paying bong taxes and leaving, probably getting taxed libtard taxes on the way into austin. she ain't makin rent on a 15k/mo place for a while, anon. especially if she's uber eats'ing all her meals and not streaming. her savings are gone

>>48286199
It was actually more that the streamers were desperate to make people believe they made more than that. As if the money Twitch had paid out to them was not already great money or something.

"NO I'M NOT A 2 MILLIOND ANDY I'M A 10.. 15 MILLION DOLLAR ANDY BECAUSE OF MERCH!"

Kinda pathetic in a way. Who cares about your wallet-penis?

>>48286205
Hosting is a thing again? I thought they killed it

>>48286199
Yeah I love how every streamer talking about it naturally acted like they had been caught doing something wrong, like a child who had drawn on the walls
They really did not want that getting out

>>48286205
Twitch has changed this around a lot so I can't be sure, but isn't autohosting still a thing? Why would she choose to be a dick when she has vaguely hinted at sharing similar concerns that Silver aired?

>>48286261
didn't they only remove auto-host?

>>48286143
Sells as much merch as hime, mods banned her simps, openly criticizes her sponsors, has to pay for her family. I doubt she's got that much in the bank.

>>48286188
>only on bad terms with one person
She definitely dislikes more than one. She probably hates Gunrun too.
https://streamable.com/p93kl0

>>48286105
>Former members sections
Fuck that, they're still gonna be streaming. If they continue to Collab with vshojo they can be considered +s tho

>>48286105
In my opinion I think the former members thing should be tested with a thread or two and if doesn't work out then just don't do it
>>48286205
No! My rrats!

>>48286308
>>48286322
I don't see a problem with it. Our OP is still no where near /lig/'s monstrosity. Tho if you're gauging keeping it based on the reactions of retards in here then it won't last at all. People bitch about everything.

>>48286322
>tested with a thread or two
not against it but they will come shit up the tread either way, in a month maybe?

>>48286300
That could easily be about Mouse.
We obviously don't know what's going on behind the scenes but publicly only those two seem to not get along.

>>48286283
>>48286275
>>48286261
I looked it pu, manual hosting has been removed, auto-hosting is however still a thing, it just has been renamed to suggested channels where streamers can still put their friends and anyone they like to display on their channels while they are offline.

>>48286355
Not trying to be too big a dick about /lig/'s OP, but why in the fuck do they have numberfagging right in their OP... Jesus Christ.

>>48286199
The thing is that a lot of streamers are actually full production teams. So they are more like companies than individuals. Those numbers are pretty reasonable from that standpoint. Of course, some are just rich leeches. The most interesting thing I noticed is that the biggest leeches happen to be the biggest grifters and cloutsharks. Not a surprising fact, but interesting.

>>48286355
we should add a ranking of the members that streamed in the last 24 hours (or.. a week?)

>>48286407
/lig/'s numberfagging is pretty harmless. I have never seen people fight over it, it's just used to check how a chuuba is doing, who is inclining, etc.

>>48286407
Always have. It's not like they're company rivals getting ranked, just random indies.

>>48286355
I don't see the purpose? Why list former members? Like some kind of homage or something?

>>48286416
Yeah, I look at some people's streams and they feel so damn phony and manufactured, because they have a production crew to help them out. I kind of like the more amateurish look of most streams, which I consider vtubers to be part of weirdly enough despite the obviously well done designs and layouts and stuff.

>>48286407
To showcase the most popular streamers of the day instead of listing every single indie in the OP.

>>48286407
To diferentiate themselves from /wvt/, they needed a criteria for which vtubers are allowed to be discussed there, and it ended up being average CCV.
Remember, /lig/ came into fruition when people used to spam about unrelated indies here in /vsj+/ even if all the interaction they had with a Vshojo was one single tweet.

>>48286452
Because they don't want to fuck off to lig where they belong

How much would mouse be paying in health insurance? (im not a burger)

>>48286300
I feel like Silver is the kind of person that only loves or hates. She seems to have trouble with indifference.

>>48286500
A lot

>>48286416
Geega was talking about this earlier, even someone at her size has multiple editors to keep the flow of content going.
Though, of course, it's Geega so she's working harder than she reasonably needs to

>>48286500
not enough for what she really needs

personally I don't really care what you do with the thread, I will continue to post vei updates
when she streams

So what is Silver's problem with Mouse? I don't get it. It seriously cannot be the 7 months thing because that is just petty.

>>48286437
>ranking
Ew, no, why?

>>48286447
>>48286448
Fair enough.

>>48286452
Yeah, homage I suppose is a good word for it. It feels very wrong to have them just cut out when things are relatively positive with their departure. I mean, if Silver DID go full retard on her way out that'd be one thing, or if someone got fired for being a total dickbag or whatever, but they left and I think it is important to show that the VShojo model works as intended and keeping them in sort of supports that in a way.

Or I'm retarded and just don't like letting go. Whichever.

>>48286538
it really is just petty menhera stuff
the only 'serious' problem she had was with Vshojo management playing favorites

>>48286533
Look forward to seeing you once a month

>>48286538
It's already been talked a lot
Truth is, no one here knows, but yeah, probably some petty shit

>>48286551
I don't really care about anything below the usual "what's going on rn" paragraph so I'm not against it.

>>48286538
i think its probably something to do with the whole famoly bullshit and how she keeps cheerleading vshojo but continually not doing shit with them and chasing clout from sykkuno, corpse and anyone else she can farm. she isn't sayton for nothing

>>48286523
I'm a ex-corpo like Geega. It's just a corpo mindset. It's working smarter, not necessarily harder. If you organize things well and delegate, you become more productive. Sometimes, the right effort can save you a lot of trouble.

>>48286538
None of us know what any of them are like off camera

>>48286500
The only number we have is a range of $10-12K per plasma treatment, which she ideally gets once a week. This is a clean half a million per year alone.
Then she has regular doctor appointments and a variety of other medications.

>>48286538
It's been a long term beef. Much longer than 7 months. This is the third time she's had an incident over Mouse

>>48286610
more sykkuno and corpse actually reach out for collabs

>>48286579
too far dude

>>48286538
White girls hate latinas

>>48286538
Who knows, but I don't think it is something recent. I think it was during Silver's anniversary last year but when Mouse left her a video message Silver seemed really broken up about it and said something about missing her. I don't know if it goes back as far as subathon or whatever broke SNIVS up, but whenever this began it was not this week.

>>48286631
wouldn't the health insurance get it at a lower price?

>>48286650
true to a point, but mouse has gone out of her way it seems to do these collabs at the expense of here orgmates. how many time has snuffy had to drop in to save a mouse stream that was supposed to be with nyan or someone else? the number is more than 0 and definitely more than 1

>>48286685
>health insurance coverage for patients with chronic illness

>>48286610
>chasing clout from sykkuno, corpse
but Mouse and Sykkuno legitimately hangs out a lot off stream.

>>48286616
This. I'm a project-based software dev and having better project management skills makes your entire team far more productive than just being good at coding, which also helps, but not as much compared to the former.

>>48286610
>chasing clout
Mouse is literally the least likely clout chaser in the game. She continually fails to recognize that her clout exists, tho, and that clout has given her opportunities to make some of these friendships, but I don't think she seeks it and I don't think she likes to use it to her advantage directly.

>>48286676
Yeah I remember Silver saying that and Mouse sending a chat message with something like "WE SHOULD DO STUFF TOGETHER AGAIN". I also remember that even back then I thought that shit was definitely not going to happen lmao

>>48286685

>>48286685
Health insurance companies are the landlords of the medical field, their only purpose is being parasites enabled by the system at large.

>>48286685
>health insurance get it at a lower price

>>48286551
I was against the "enforced +s list" and I will be against "former members list"
nothing personnel but I like to keep it clean

>>48286720
Keep in mind, tho, those "orgmates" also have their own shit going on. Silver herself once snapped at a chatter for trying to get her to play Rust with Mouse. Silver was totally in the right there, don't misunderstand me, but that one small moment shows that these girls have their own shit to do and people to interact with and sometimes that fucks with your other friends. They're so much busier now than they were 3 years ago so they drifted apart. Fillian pointed out, rightly, that there aren't any orgs that don't have some kind of internal drama, even if it is just petty bullshit. VShojo's talents found their own way to have internal conflict. It was a dream thinking they'd continue on forever fucking around in Valheim like they did.

Word Cloud of the previous thread.

>>48284955
Dont worry anon, it can happen to anyone

>>48286726
ACA took care of a lot of that.

>>48286878
>vshojo vei
Meds

>>48286685
even the better private insurances, which she would have to pay way more for due to preexisting conditions, actually fuck you on recurring treatments and expensive medicine prices. on top of this they'll mix things up and decide only to cover certain medications (diabetics get fucked on this often)
health insurance companies can also just go: "hey we decided fuck that, we're not covering shit this bill good luck :)"

>>48286551
you're retarded

>>48286800
Fine. The enforced plus list was a mistake from the beginning, honestly, because back then we didn't understand really what a "+" was. We were making shit up as we went. This is a lot less ambiguous.

.
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>Archive Links:

- Complete Nyanners (Post Vtuber Debut) Vod Archive (Starting on 2020-07-17 running until 2023-xx-xx): https://pastebin.com/Eg1Yy3TZ

- Complete Hime Hajime Vod Archive (Starting on 2021-01-31 running until 2023-xx-xx): https://pastebin.com/28iC7P72

- Bubivt Vod "Archive" and some other Vods/Vod Spreadsheets: https://pastebin.com/STax22rK
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>Some other stuff that might be of use:

- Vod Archiving guide for Twitch/Youtube Live streams that covers the basics: https://pastebin.com/1i8hF902

- Links for the 4chan (#/vt/ and #recanon) IRC channels, Koikatsu Party Character cards from /Vsj+/ and /lig/, the website to make wordclouds and some fitness guides an anon posted in /vsj+/: https://pastebin.com/FiAsYK7e

>>48286747
Mouse is pretty two-faced, and you don't need to be good at reading people to notice that. I don't ascribe malice to that because I don't know her and I doubt anyone in her audience really knows her. People who have toxic traits rarely are malicious. Silver is clearly plenty toxic herself. But I wouldn't call her actively malicious without knowing what's going on behind the scenes.

>>48286919
Meanie.

>>48286800
its not like its a 50 members org that anyone would quickly forget who left.
For niji or Holo maybe,(like who remembers the tranny? girl that left niji last year) vshojo had at max 11 eleven members

>>48286955
Bruh, I don't know what the fuck you're trying to say here and neither do you.

>>48287011
No.

>>48287026
please understand, she doesn't act as every single vtuber's personal therapist and collab creator so she is now bad

>>48286851
>They're so much busier now

>>48286851
it's true, what you're saying. but mouse seems to have spread herself the most thin out of everyone. zen still does things with other in the same orbit (haruka, geega, etc), nyan still does stuff with others (vei/soda, snuffy). mouse just does stuff with everyone to the point where it means nothing, don't get me wrong i love mousey but she needs to rein it in a little bit.

The artist for this calls it "digital" work and "in [his] style"... but is that just codespeak for AI art because this looks like AI shit.

>>48287085
Don't fucking bring up soda

>>48287121
mad, veifag?

>>48287141
veifags love soda

>>48287026
I know exactly what I'm saying. What do you think people mean when they call Mouse a cunt? She's being two-faced. I don't think she's being malicious. Very simple. I know you people hate when Mouse is criticized so I emphasized that toxic and malicious are different things. Silver clearly has toxic traits with all the outbursts she has too.

>>48287161
Ok but who calls her a cunt though?

>>48286685
Health insurance is made to completely fuck everyone who uses it, and everyone who doesn't. If you don't use it and have a major accident, then congratulations! You now have $10k worth of debt! Because hospitals know they can get away with overcharging insurance companies for shit like cough drops and ibuprofen. And if you do have insurance they will do their best to avoid paying for as many items as possible. So the service many people pay upwards of $600/month for will do fuck all when you actually have to use it. Last I heard Mouse is on Medicaid/Medicare, basically state operated and federally funded healthcare for women and children, the elderly, and dying poor people. I doubt she gets her plasma through it though.

>>48287060
>>48287085
I'm not trying to say Mouse is perfect either, because she DOES prioritize her collab partners pretty heavily, especially with Monke. I just don't think that makes her "two-faced". Inconsiderate and neglectful maybe, but not two-faced.

>>48287084
Thanks for the (you), bro.

>>48287174
Well she is an admitted member of the cuntry club.

>they stream less but they're actually busier
>they stream less but they're actually poor
lmao

>>48287184
>prioritizes her best friend that is always on holiday
the SHOCK
the HORROR

>>48287141
Well, Soda has always been off-topic (fleshbag) and he's even more off-topic now (Vei is now a + at best). I've never had an issue with VeiSodafags talking about their streams, but talking about Soda alone is like talking about Connor alone and both should be nuked into orbit.

>>48287177
>Last I heard Mouse is on Medicaid/Medicare
wasn't that before she got rich from twitch?

>>48287258
Thanks Obama

are you eady for mouse x kaira kino next week

>>48287174
Plenty of people do. Sometimes literally that way, but a lot of the time it's people being mad at
>teehee I'm just kidding

>>48287184
>Inconsiderate
This is true and hard to deny. People have said this plenty of times. The subathon is kind of a perfect example since it trashed everyone's numbers but she still wants to do it again.

>>48287299I
I have never heard any content creator call Mouse a cunt.

>>48286967
Cute

>>48287258
do insurance companies really take clients with serious chronic diseases like CVID?

>>48287161
I'm struggling with this concept of two-facedness not being malicious. Outside of having a neurological disorder, I don't think I've heard of deceitfulness being unintentional or without some kind of negative intent. Also, other than Silver, I haven't heard anybody say anything negative about Mouse's personality. Except dipshits in here, and spergs aren't real.

>>48287339
that's what I'm trying to figure out

>>48287184
When you're dishonest about it with people, you're two-faced. I think she's busy and stressed and dealing with a lot of shit. And that's why I'm making a judgement that I don't think Mouse is being malicious.

>>48287160
Is this cuckold mentality?

>>48287184
i never said she was two-faced, but pushing the vshojo/senpai thing is a stretch for someone always reaching outside of it to do content with. like i bet her and zen could have done cool shit talking about tokusatsu/kaiju shit. interaction level = 0. lets play minecraft for a few months talking to candii 24/7. minecraft is done interactions since? 0. its more of a pattern of behavior for mouse. she's the vtuber mizkif. straight content demon.

>>48287258
I remember hearing it a while ago. I don't know if she's eligible for it currently due to all the money she's making, but my point is mostly that poor or not the health system in America is horrendous.

>>48287372
so do you want her to keep the same 8 friends until the end of time? She played with Zen pretty recently as well

>>48287339
Part of the ACA is that insurance companies cannot deny people with pre-existing conditions an they can't charge you more for it.

>>48287339
>>48287355
>Health insurance companies cannot refuse coverage or charge you more just because you have a “pre-existing condition” — that is, a health problem you had before the date that new health coverage starts.
https://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/about-the-aca/pre-existing-conditions/index.html

>>48287418
Sex

>>48287349
Mouse doesn't want to offend, so she's not being direct and honest. This is a very easy way to become two-faced. I think the issue is that you think bad people bad and malicious, good people good and pure. Everyone is a messy. Even the worst of people, even the best of people.

>>48287361
I'm out of fanart so I'm dropping the name. I don't see that as malicious tho. I mean we've all done that. It isn't nice but we're not out to actually hurt anybody by doing it.

>>48287365
They just aren't attached to their oshis because they are normalfag pieces of shit

>>48287419
so people like mousey are money black holes for insurance companies?

>>48287403
no i don't want her to just endlessly do the same shit, but if she wants to push the famoly shit and act like vshojo is that important, she might want to prioritize making solid plans with them and shit. not just make plans with everyone and whoever shows up is the content. grow, sure. but be honest about being a content whore.

>>48287476
Welcome to "democratic socialism".

>>48287522
I'll say this: I love my family and every member in it and I haven't talked to my brother since Christmas. Shit happens, people are busy, it's not like you hate them because you don't interact with them for months. Fuck, I have friends I haven't talked to in years, I'd still have a beer with them tomorrow if I saw them.

>>48287529
oh no those poor innocent health insurance companies

>>48287522
>content whore
I thought her content was stale boring react according to anons here so how can that be content whoring? And how is it her fault that only certain fleshies consistently invite and hang out with her?

>>48287445
nta and I don't even know wtf you're going on about but saying
>hey, we should do something
and then not doing shit is a very common interaction between normal people, it's not that deep

Geega doesn't seem to be liking this Elden Ring game

>>48287579
most people on this site don't go outside and don't understand normal human behaviour

>>48287476
Yeah, but people like Mouse also have to pay a lot of money out of pocket since insurance deductibles are so high

I think Mouse's problem and something that might have played into this is that she likes mentioning plans/promises without either having a clear idea of how she will do it or not taking it as something she MUST do.
I could see that leading to misunderstandings and resentment if someone takes a "omg we should totally hang out" as a promise only to not see anything come out of it.
Or maybe it has nothing to do with this. The fuck do I know.

>>48287559
but you are not a woman

>>48287529
wtf I love socialism now

>>48287559
is your brother a partner in your business and dependent on the overall growth of the business? I haven't talked to one of my best friends in a couple years because life got in the way, but if we were in business together in any capacity, there'd be a bit more communication.

>>48287562
I'm not gonna argue the finer points of this because it's off topic and I hate /pol/tards with a flying passion, but the ACA directly put an extra burden upon insurance companies and that really isn't up for debate. The "fix" was the "individual mandate" which required everybody to have health insurance thus subsidizing them with healthy people who didn't need it but had to pay in anyway. That mandate got nuked recently, so now it is just a burden back squarely on the insurance companies. Whether any of this is good or bad is irrelevant, it's just how it is.

>>48287579
Anon, are you so insecure that you can't see how much I have to emphasize that Mouse isn't an evil person. Get a grip.
And normal human interactions are often two-faced. Do I need to emphasize again that Silver is also in the wrong?

>>48287559
Yeah I really don't get why anons ITT seem to think friendship expires after a week. There's people I haven't spoken to in years but if I saw them I would happily hang out with them again
>>48287658
Do they not all go to meetings weekly?

>>48287628
Not really, the ACA forbids price gouging the clients, but she's on medicare / medicaid anyway.

>>48287636
You're not wrong.

>>48287693
I haven't had friends in a decade I don't remember how any of that works

>>48287693
apparently no, otherwise they wouldn't be this disorganized lol

>>48287699
>but she's on medicare / medicaid anyway
doesn't she make way too much money to be on medicaid?

Impregnation of a little gremolin.

>>48287734
Well as long as you don't go "omg X and Y haven't collabed in a month they hate each other" you're good

>>48287761
Who is that horny dude?

>>48287743
jail

>>48287673
then what point are you trying to make? they are normal people having normal interactions?
very insightful commentary, thanks for your input

>>48287768
My opinion on it is I don't know because I don't get to see them off stream

>>48287658
If you want to make a business analogy, it would be more like each girl is an independent contractor who are part of a guild or something. Each contractor is still responsible for their own shit and while they can do projects together they don't have to. Besides, this all feels more personal than professional.

rate my necklace

>>48287791
skill issue

>>48287819
anon?

>>48287811
looks cute
now bend over

>>48287811
Based and confident if you're hot
Fucking cringe if you're small and ugly

>>48287777
Tenki, merch only content. Also on the veiSit emote

>>48287742
I dunno. I don't know how that shit works. She's disabled which plays a huge part in that, too.

>>48287658
They are streamers in a barely present talent management company anon they aren't a famous sports team or something

>>48287693
I agree that's how normal friendships work but we are talking about people who are a) women and b) mentally ill so I wouldn't be surprised if they overreact to stuff or put a lot of importance on things that most people will find irrelevant.
We might as well trying to decipher the finger paintings of some schizo.

>>48287419
i redact my former post and i will stop spreading misinfo. i'm a boomer and haven't had to pay attention to paying for my health insurance since 2013 so i didn't realize all the shit that changed in 2014.
also thank you, i realize i'm being carried on a grandfathered plan and we're paying extra because of it

>>48287867
He was making a joke, anon.

>>48287788
I'm explaining that both Mouse and Silver might have arrived at this beef without either being malicious and that people have toxic traits without being malicious. You people just take it as shitting on Mouse. Might be the way I said that some people call her a cunt that riled you up. Sure, but isn't that rich coming from someone appealing to normal human interaction.

>>48287800
then what was the point of vshojo if there is no working towards a common goal? even as retarded as they all are, otk figured this shit out and do shit together enough to raise everyone up.

>>48287856
I'm 5"5 :(

>>48287915
I just woke up, I cannot detect such things

>>48287913
*as well be

>>48287923
I still don't know anybody calling her a cunt. Except you and spergs and neither of you matter.

>>48287968
He goes to the catalog a little too often

>>48287761
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LerO2c3O1M4

>>48287939
I mean Gun clearly has a goal of advancing VTuber technology which is going pretty well

>>48287942
Don't listen to him, I'm sure it will look cute on you

>>48287923
I get your point but terms like "two-faced" or "toxic" are going to be interpreted as an insult 99% of the time no matter how much you try to explain they aren't. Specially here where there is someone trying to shit on the girls and paint them on an extremely negative light every 5 minutes.

>>48287998
I'm pretty sure he comes from the catalog

>>48288041
then he's the only one at least thinking of something, they might be backpacks and tablets but neurons are firing

These two like anal

>>48287939
I don't know how OTK works but for the girls the goal was to make a group that would develop brand power and they did that. VShojo in 2022-2023 is massively more successful in terms of merch sales, events, and sponsorships than they were for 2020-2021. Obviously, we don't know a lot of things (like quarterly revenue and whatever) but each girl has grown since the coordination started, each girl has gotten richer since the coordination started, and we're now at a point where two people left because of disagreements over the finer points of a contract renewal. I'd say if we're at a point where we can have "free agents" leave rather than extend contracts, then VShojo is pretty successful as an org.

>>48288071
Yeah probably
This thread has been on a constant rotation of "Mouse is bad" discussion ever since the news and it's honestly tiring, people have the rest of the board to say that in

>>48288055
Yeah, you're right. I could say that Mouse has character flaws that rub people the wrong way. But I was already incredibly soft with how many times I said that I don't think Mouse is being malicious. I could have said that Mouse isn't a bad person, but when people are this defensive, I don't think it matters.

>>48288117
the reason they can leave as free agens is because they came into it with that identity. say nazuna leaves? i doubt she'll be nazuna because that was mostly paid for by the company if i'm not mistaken.

>>48288080
I know we make a lot of jokes about backpacks but he is doing a pretty interesting job pushing tech. Some of it is pretty brilliant and some is a lot less so, very niche.

If I had one criticism of VShojo it is that whomever does their PR should be fired. Or, if they don't have one, hire someone to put out statements please. The contract non-renewal one was fine (with a bit of a shot at Phase Connect or good measure) but some of their previous ones have been awful.

>>48288248
She probably could but I'd assume it's like with Hime and there is no point when she has an already established separate identity.

>>48288190
As far as I'm concerned the only 2 vtubers who have publicly talked shit (and I actually watched the streams in which they did) were Vei (alt channel stream) and Silver (vshojo exit stream).
The other girls don't publicly air their grievances unless someone can correct me. So that's the only public knowledge info we got of who's "toxic"

>>48288316
vshojo management is dogshit at communicating, both internally and externally. I hope they are having fucking chatGPT handle that now.

>>48288248
If Nazuna leaves the same thing happens. I don't know where you're getting the idea the company paid for her model. Nobody has ever stated such a thing and since her first launch she's already procured a second one, which I doubt anybody but she paid for.

>>48287811
Mizzimie?

>>48288398
If Nazuna leaves, she will never stream on that character again. VShojo will probably ask her if it's alright to link to soap cat on her exit.

>>48287761
/lig/

>>48288478
Okay sure, but I still don't think she wouldn't leave with her IP rights like the others. If she doesn't want it that's her choice as well.

>>48288517

>>48288340
Okay, so maybe there needs to be clarification here. I think all people occasionally do things that are toxic. Sometimes, they are actively malicious. Sometimes, it's more self-serving. Sometimes, it's trying not to rock the boat. Sometimes, people are trying to be nice but end up being toxic.
When I say "Mouse is being toxic", it means that she's acting in a way that negatively impacts others. I think the reason I have such an easy time talking this way about people is that I think everyone is flawed and I don't think flaws are something that you need to be ashamed of. At least more than what inspires you to change.

Which VShojo girl would ruin my life

>>48288545
0 chance of that. Not only would it be unfair to her but it would make vshojo look like shit since it's supposed to be one of the things that separates them from jap corpos.

>>48288584
The horse is dead and buried, anon, move on.

>>48288665
Damn I can't answer Vei anymore

>>48285522
>>48285660
im pretty sure ive heard her say shes not a millionaire but around halfway there sometime late in 2022
thats not exactly fuck you money if you want to retire at 25 and have big expenses or have to take care of other people
sodas networth is around 5 mil, probably around half of that in houses and his car and he still says he can't really retire comfortably because he wants his children to go to college and live comfortably
which is incredibly based btw

>>48288665
Which one wouldn't?

>>48288665
zen

>>48288702
>shes not a millionaire but around halfway there sometime late in 2022
https://twitch.pages.dev/en
this says otherwise

>>48288670
I'm really glad the VShojo experiment worked as intended and the two left exactly as promised they could. I would have been massively disappointed if Gunrun or someone tried to pull some crap. There were legal issues to resolve but I assume that was all tied to existing merch and likeness usage on existing videos and artwork and whatever. Silver was still unsure about the video stuff on YouTube at the time of her "press conference", so maybe not everything was hammered out, but Vei's issues seemed to be all tied to some finer print somewhere in the contract she didn't like so who the shit knows. Seems things were amicable as they could be, tho, at least from the business side of things.

>>48288779
Yea she has definitely made more than 1 million career earnings wise but maybe not currently on hand.

>>48288675
It's a zombie horse that keeps getting raised from the dead. Blame the necromancers.

>>48288779
this is only sub and bits money tho. sodas thing says he made 1,5 mil iirc and that literally has to be wronf given he has two houses and a 350k car
nowadays ive heard a few streamers say sub money is very small part of the money they make

>>48288702
>he can't really retire
My dude they're fucking streamers, retiring would just be them doing the same thing but with the stream off
This isn't some daily grind they finally get to stop doing

>>48288779
Keep in mind that was over an almost 2 year period and that's just payouts from Twitch. It doesn't take into account normal bills and living costs and, of course, taxes, taking a lot of that away.

>>48288929
large streamers don't give a shit about subs

>>48288929
he's also been doing this longer than almost anyone at this point. then again sinking money into nrg, and then bailing and finally being otk and probably putting up a substantial sum of money to buy old artesian stock and employees to get starforge going. its no wonder he's been hitting poker sponsors and shit hard to pay for the apartment and shit to make it easier for vei who prob got fucked on taxes from moving

>>48289178
Does Vei get double taxed?

>>48286538
I think it's caused by vshojo playing favoritism and paying most of their attention to their top talent which is currently Mouse. I think Silver's anger towards Mouse is misplaced because it's not something that's really in Mouse's control, it's gunrun and management's inability to actually provide support to everyone equally and not addressing and try to expand their management team to be able to multitask better.

>>48289381
not 100% sure, but it does happen. i could see bong land being a case of it

>>48287942
Not vsj but this reminded me of this clip: https://files.catbox.moe/tvbl2t.mp4 Either way im sure it will look fine on you anon (whether you're male/female/etc.)

>>48286942
Based archive bro, also I think some guy in /lig/ a couple days ago was asking if you're ever gonna go on irc again or something

>>48289493
when people start getting a negative impression of something, it tends to amplify every time something goes wrong

>>48287761
WHO is the guy on the right???

>>48288553
>/lig/ and soon to be /lig/

>>48289658

>>48289516
yep. iirc, Mori gets taxed both in Japan and in the USA. She mentioned paying 80% of what she earned in taxes.

>>48289614
I do think Mouse does deserve to be called out cuz she has developed some really big bullshit behaviors like ghosting her friends to Chase e-celebs, or how she has left her patreons hanging for the last 2 years and once in a while promising to start doing patreon content again. But I do think the majority of Silver's anger towards Mouse is misplaced because she's blaming Mouse for stolen opportunities, when in reality it's gunrun and vshojo are the ones putting Mouse on a pedestal and not focusing on expanding their capabilities to properly support everybody, no joke vshojo really needs to expand their staff and has been like that since the beginning.

Thoughts?

>>48289493
>vshojo playing favoritism
Any sources on this aside from schizo delusions?

>>48289937
me inside the middle

>>48289898
>ghosting her friends to Chase e-celebs
sounds like a certain welsh man kek
maybe that's why they get along so well

>>48289937
Based

>>48289937
is she going to birth a horse? I have seen that in a doujin before

>>48289863
it's only for us citizens but that's not how it works anyway because you deduct the foreign taxes paid from your us tax bill

>>48289898
Yeah, I agree in that sense. It's the analogy of a box with 25% of pixels being red, green and blue each. If you look hard enough, you can make the box blue, green or red in your mind. Silver's just seeing red because she's obsessed with it. I find myself being more sad at the whole picture than vitriolic towards either side.

>>48289974
I heard they give Hime less time/resources than the other. They must be playing favorites, there is no other explanation.

>>48289898
The only people who think its not normal to have some friends that you don't speak to for months or years are people who have not had friends before. this happens all the time and it does not mean you fell out with them.

>>48290179
>I heard they give Hime less time/resources than the other
What a retarded rrat
About 95% of VShojo's resources is being put into Hime, she is the most valuable member

>>48290235
You joke, but I bet if you do generated dollars/streamed hours Hime would be at or close to the top.

Another banger of a stream just concluded for us, Veisodabros

>>48290495
they are so cute

>>48290495
>>48290510
tabs and also meds

>>48290480
Hime provides passive value to all the other girls. It's half the reason to be in an org in the first place.

>>48290176
I'm just hoping that silver pudding Mouse on blast like that it gets Mouse to take a step back and realize that she's kind of being a cunt and tries to fix things. as for vshojo the girls need to collectively go to gunrun and start ripping him a new asshole for letting things go to shit the way they did and burning Silver and to get off his lazy ass and do his fucking job and to support everyone not just their top talent

>>48290208
still doesn't mean you're not an asshole for ghosting them, trust me I know I really need to talk to my friend that I haven't talked to since I moved like 4 months ago

>>48290526
This is our home

>>48289898
>she ghosted her friends to hang out with people that would actually invite her to hang out with them
What an evil person, I must spend hours writing paragraphs about this

>>48290495
good vibes all around

https://youtu.be/ZL4g5xsiNyQ
sonchi
live

>>48290554
>pudding
Yummy

>>48290556
Again meds

>>48290607
It would be a great bit if she recreated her earlier Twitch stream with the same jokes and all.

>>48290607
I appreciate all your positive KSonposting

>>48290554
>fix things
Honestly can't tell if baiting or genuine
Probably baiting

>>48290510
>they are so cute
Where is Fernando when you need him?

sonch time

Why does Nazuna refuse to hang out with Kson irl

>>48290688
Baiting, 100%

>>48290554
Mouse needs to be more comfortable with a little conflict. Not full-blown shit flinging, but giving some pushback back and forth. It's painful sometimes. I completely understand the times Connor decided to make phone calls to the pharmacy for her.

>>48290699
Man I need more gremolin images of everyone

>>48290554
>still doesn't mean you're not an asshole for ghosting them
Yes it does, it take two to end up like this, you both get busy or caught up in other things

Mouse needs to release the BLTs pics

>>48290750
she doesn't go outside anymore

>>48290772

>>48290495
they were live?

>>48290752
Any post that treats Mouse like some sort of personal vshojo employee/therapist/collab setter is bait
And unfortunately this has been like half of the posts for the last couple days

>>48290750
She doesn't want Kson to figure out the truth.

>>48290882
>Hardcore WoW stream
You might prefer pretending they weren't live instead

>>48290888
You don't understand, Mouse needs to personally manage Silver and be the father figure she never had.

using gremolin cat as an onahole

>>48291072

>>48291091
Firmly grasp it.

>>48289178
if I were to guess he still has nrg shares and he would be ahead on that whole deal if he sold them.
starforge is also apparently doing better than expected
i wouldnt be surprised if sponsors were partly caused because hell buy another house. they only got the apartment so its easier to show vei around and she already said that after the lease is up theyll probably just get a house for themselves.

>>48286851
Silver asked chat what they wanted her to do, someone suggested playing with Mouse because she was lonely and she had a unhinged meltdown at that person. She could've just respectfully said that she doesn't want to play with Mouse

i finally figured it out one of nyan's silly pranks is the reason im gay

>>48291260
>one of nyan's silly pranks is the reason im gay
What did she do?

>>48290865
ask connor to leak them

>>48291130
the son of a bitch probably made close to 300-400k with just the poker and supercell sponsor
but yeah, I remember someone asked vei why rent an apartment instead of a house and she said that if they were going to live in a house they would just buy it

>>48291273
whichever one it was thankfully it wasnt enough to make me want to fuck a horse

>>48291308
Do they not realize they can also just buy an apartment/condo too? Or are they retarded?

>>48291369
>Or are they retarded?

>>48291340
At least you weren't one of the ones to get an architect fetish because of Nyan

>>48291435
>loving a fat bitch
i could never

>>48291369
Nigger some streamers are so financially illiterate that I wouldn't be surprised if they were unironically unaware that you can own a single apartment in a building.

>>48291435
I was an architect way before Nyan started memeing it

>>48291369
>>48291402
youre retarded if you think its worth for them to buy an apartment worth multiple milions of dollars to live in it for a year and then try to find another millionaire to rent/sell it to

>>48284955
just use Copy Text next time bro

>>48290750
She's usually sick and/or bad around people
Did Kson mention her recently or something?

>>48289609
Im late but thanks for the info, i dont check/lig/ anymore as it got too fast to keep up with old threads as i already read every single /vsj+/ thread to stay up to date and i dont check the archives much anymore either.

>>48206688
fucking hell i didnt realize how long ive been gone from the IRC.
>>48206987
Seems like i should get my ass back there, ive been meaning to get back there earlier. my social anxiety has just been going crazy again lately, been staying away from discord as well lately due to that and i spent the past few months on my phone where i dont have an IRC client on which is why ive been gone.

I know i could use kiwi links on mobile, but yeah my SA is bad, i mean really bad. 4chan is less of a problem due to the "anonymity". I should work on that but my insomnia is getting bad as well so that doesnt help with my SA. I do plan on getting back to IRC by next week though and work on my SA again (I know the guy who posted these likely doesnt visit this thread as he might be an ex nyanfan unless i got the wrong guy).

>>48291435
I already was one but she awakened me to vtuber getting fat behind avatar, even if she is a twig bitch

>>48291513
in the US housing market, probably true for a lot of places, but not universally true

when aethel was freestyling for nyan and said "I'm smoking crack, I'm a crack smoking quarterback" I was really moved by that bar

>>48291630
>i already read every single /vsj+/ thread
why would you do that to yourself

>>48291860
Maybe I am completely ignorant to the housing market, but I feel like high end apartments wouldn't be affected by a housing collapse. The rich never suffer.

>>48290495
Deleted Valheim vod over a WoW death I'm so mad

>>48292139
NTA, but I have this general open all day. I believe it has negatively affected my mental health, but I cannot leave.

>>48292423
For me it probably has probably fucked with me a little bit, but I think you can take some good things away from here too. For example I'm now basically immune to toxicity and negativity which is pretty good, and I don't really care to argue with anyone online anymore because all it does it attack the other person's pride and you'll never convince them on your point. And my brain automatically filters general retardation. You have to make an effort to participate in your real life actively so that this place doesn't override your general habits and thought process, if you get what I mean

>>48292630
>You have to make an effort to participate in your real life actively so that this place doesn't override your general habits and thought process
This is just a longer way of saying "You need to touch grass".

>>48292673
yeah pretty much

I just post chibison pics and Kson facts, I have no idea what anyone is talking about

>>48292748
are you me?

>>48292748
Keep doing that
Now bend over

>>48292910
Do not lewd chibisonposters.
Now bend over.

>>48292139
Thats mainly how ive been keeping up with nyan/vshojo despite the last full nyan stream i watched being the january 15 2022 MH Sponsor stream as my depression fucks with my attention span. Also that way i usually see if anyone needs a vod i recorded and i can see why it got deleted as i wont share unedited vods with dox shit (that might have happend on accident, i know they talk much about personal stuff, but you get what i mean).

>>48292630
>I'm now basically immune to toxicity and negativity
My childhood made me immune to that already which i dont mind this thread or 4chan in general as it kinda fees like home (i know this sounds fucked up).

Depsite being used to that envoirement i still try my best to be nice to people, theres enough hate around here so why add to add to that if i can prevent that. Of course exeptions apply. I usually iust ignore people shitting on pink cat and if they try to get an reaction out of me i just wish them a nice day and move on, usually works. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion so why waste my time trying to change that or get mad about it? No matter people say pink cat will always be good to me for several reasons.

New bread:
>>48293067
>>48293067
>>48293067
>>48293067

>>48293024
A lot of people don't actually have the goal of changing other people's minds when they argue.

>>48293178
Thats true, i just dont see the point to argue about random drama or stuff like that, so i just ignore it most if the time.

>>48293271
I wish most people would do the same. It makes me sad when I ignore blatant bait/drama and then I see it get like 4 different replies. People just need to care less

>>48293271
People need to be a bit more open-minded, is all. That would turn a lot of debates into discussions instead. And it would make the debates actually have a point. And it's unironically the best way to handle bait. I see ignoring it is just the first wobbly steps in opening your mind.