/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>48202781
>vshojo isn't like those other nasty black corpos trying to exploit girls
I never liked vei but she's based for joining silver in burning vshojo down on her way out and letting everyone know their true colors.

she was fine to suck corporate dick when it benefitted her but now shes crying like a whore when it doesnt. any faggot who buys into this bait is asking for it

>>48202781
>He does not know that agencies so well use contracts.

>>48202781
Bitch is trying to save her image.
Veibitch was always a cold shoulder self-center hoe who only cares about money and herself. She pumped and dumped Vshojo like with every cock she could take advantage of.

>>48202781
Mythic talent is a vtuber company now

good luck finding a lawyer who knows anything about talent agency contacts.

>>48203413
True, but enough about Ironmouse already

>>48203051
>>48203413
You guys okay? She's just telling indies to have a lawyer and read contracts when signing with companies. That's basic stuff but a lot of them apparently fail at doing that.

>>48202781
>what the industry standards are
Does she think that there are a lot of law firms that know about the standards of fucking vtuber agencies? Is this girl retarded?

>>48203831
You're the retarded one. There are so many youtuber agencies, for streamers, esports. They all offer the same kinda contracts as vtuber companies (exclusivity, management, merch, etc).

And among all of them, vtuber ones are the most oppressive with the least support.

>>48202781
Why would they need a lawyer? Kson said there's NO CONS!!

>>48204018
Can't be worse than OTK

>>48203662
#ad Mythic

>>48204219
She was just happy she didn't have to enema every Saturday anymore

>>48202781
You hear that, Sayu?

>>48204018
>They all offer the same kinda contracts as vtuber companies
Based on what? Your extent knowledge of shitposts you read here? Vtuber agencies are not the fucking same as the ones you mentioned, vtubers aren't just streamers, when you join an agency you don't just join as you, you join as a character that is owned by the company that hired you, a random youtuber agency doesn't give their talents a live2D model that cost at least five grand.

>>48203051
Everyone is fine sucking corparate dick when it benefits them greatly, when they are not necessary you dip, it's basic human thinking.

>>48204275
Hard to tell without the a copy of the contract. The only that talked about their contract was Emiru when they just signed her. She said a few interesting things: 1 it was better than C9 and most Esport offers that she received; she could leave the org whenever she wanted to. How much of this is true is hard to say.

has a corporate vtuber's contract ever been leaked before?? I'm so fucking curious to see what kind of numbers they work with and what kind of stipulations.

>>48204345
Is that you, Vei?

>>48204665
Who's Vei?

>>48204405
>vtubers aren't just streamers
lmao
>when you join an agency you don't just join as you, you join as a character that is owned by the company that hired you,

That's exactly what makes it so terrible and abusive. What the fuck is this character ownership bullshit that we inherited from japan? An extremely anticompetitive practice. All other kind of actors and streamers are free to keep their own likeness and name. If a vtuber graduates, their name is effectively dead.

Movies and other kind of performances still give credit to the real person, but if you graduate from a vtuber company you lose everything.

> a random youtuber agency doesn't give their talents a live2D model that cost at least five grand.
Business expense. Not only live2d are extremely overpriced, it can be a tax write off no matter what happens to the talent.

>>48202781
retard they handle money of course there's contracts
do you think cuts are negotiated on fucking discord posts?

>>48204818
It's called I PAY FOR THE FUCKING MODEL I OWN IT BITCH, simple as.

>>48203662
Probably pretty easy to find a entertainment lawyer

>Wow guise did you know that privately owned for-profit ventures are exploitative? That's so terrible!
Y'all know all corpos do this regardless of the industry, right?

>>48204624
15-20% cut is considered standard, depending on the service they can take 40%+. Some Esport orgs takes crazy amounts tho, 100t was taking 60-85% cuts of some deals. My guess? Vshojo tried to increase the cut and Vei said "fuck that I'm out"

>>48202781
She's just telling you to get someone to stop you before getting roped into mandatory office orgies.

>>48204818
Then fuck off, and go make a name for yourself alone. No one is forcing anyone to join an agency, the reason why these indies join corpos is because they can't do anything by themselves.

>>48204883
I'm with you bro, that's why it's so stupid when retards say that talents make money off of merchandise of a character that doesn't belong to them.

>>48205182
>indies join corpos is because they can't do anything by themselves.

>>48205182
This is your brain on capitalism

>>48204883
Yeah. Extremely abusive. In any other industry this would have become illegal long ago.
Shit is only like this because Kizuna AI and the first vtubers set the trend and companies in Japan didn't want any competition.
Cannot build a resume, cannot have any ownership of your voice and work.
Any vtuber who accepts this kind of treatment is just braindead and has no corporate experience.
No wonder Mori still puts effort into her IRL account. She is not that dumb.

>>48205182
>Then fuck off, and go make a name for yourself alone. No one is forcing anyone to join an agency, the reason why these indies join corpos is because they can't do anything by themselves.
Veibae was already huge before vshojo was even a thing. It was retarded to join because people just assume corpo is just better always.

>>48204978
>15-20% cut is considered standard, depending on the service they can take 40%+. Some Esport orgs takes crazy amounts tho, 100t was taking 60-85% cuts of some deals. My guess? Vshojo tried to increase the cut and Vei said "fuck that I'm out"
Vshojo only took the merch money while the streamers kept the rest. But based on the hololive data, 35-40% is all from merch so they lost that much just from the company cut. It's most likely better to do merch themselves now considering vshojo didn't really do much to help vei or silver.

>>48203784
>You guys okay? She's just telling indies to have a lawyer and read contracts when signing with companies.
Vei keeps her models, her channel, and her vtuber content. To say this while leaving Vshojo just seems odd when she lost nothing compared to a graduation with Hololive or Nijisanji.

>>48205445
Why haven't any vtubers formed a cooperative or something instead of bowing to a corporate owner or being indie? They're gaining enough traction they could make it work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqgm2iZLPQw

This video is worth a watch, while it's about esports, it also shows how companies of livestreamers are pretty screwed up and most likely will end up crashing down.


>>48205622
I think it's an interesting idea but also streamers are super emotional kinda people so it would likely fall apart unless it's people with a lot of experience.

>>48202781
Vei left because of a contract dispute lmfao

>>48203413
>not muh heckin' corporationrinos!
seethe and mald holofag

>>48205584
My guess is there's a disagreement about who has ownership over merch assets. Can Vei sell Ironside pcs, which was a Vshojo contract with Ironside.on her own? Can she sell the same merch design on her own? That's what I think she's lawering up for.

>>48203662
You mean an entertainment lawyer? lmao

>>48205584
I'm guessing Vshojo didn't take a "small" cut from merch and sponsor deals and most other talent agencies take substantially less for a lot less involvement.

>>48205766
>super emotional kinda people
sad to hear. I'd hate to think personal matters and a lack of professionalism is what's keeping them down

>>48205445
Can you faggot stop comparing a well known vtuber to a noname 2 views indie that join a corpo. I swear you faggot always bring the same retarded point. "x would be better if they go indie" well x is a 2views noname before joining corpo you retard. You only looking at their success now not the struggle they did before it, what a bunch of faggot.

>>48205766
>how companies of livestreamers are pretty screwed up and most likely will end up crashing down.
This is 100% true, most Orgs need a secundary source of income. OTK has starforge/Mythic, 100t have Juvee and the best org merch, TSM owns Blitz. Does Vshojo owns anything other than talent contracts?

>>48206104
Oh my, are you trying to tell me that corporations don't actually produce anything of value and survive only by leeching off of the talents? Shirley, this can't be right

>>48203784
>You guys okay? She's just telling indies to have a lawyer and read contracts when signing with companies.
Disingenuous or retarded, Veibitch is blatantly throwing a shade at Vshojo,

>>48206053
There are 2views in Nijisanji now. And those companies only tend to hire people who already had big numbers beforehand anyways. All of the Niji/Holo EN had big channels and where at least 3 view before joining.

Besides this discussion is about Vei and Silver which shows that if you have the clout, companies are only a drain of money.

>>48205584
Vei shouldn't have quit while having a goodsmile figuring in the making.

>>48206229
It's more like they burn too much money with Esports lol, it's like 10M+ to have a league team + they don't sell merch + most of the pros are small streamers + pros salary are inflated as fuck + nobody wants to invest in this shit anymore lol. OTK and Misfit are the only orgs that didn't have massive layouts because they are relative cheap to mantain and they have a secondary source of income.

>>48203662
nothing in one of these contracts is gonna be particularly complicated. a law student could probably do it honestly

>>48206343
>Vei shouldn't have quit while having a goodsmile figuring in the making.
But all the merch money goes to vshojo's pockets, it makes no difference for Vei so why bother. I would understand if they did special things for the talents but so far it seems they just fatten the pockets of gunrun and mow.

What events has vshojo made? maybe a concert for mousey. There hasn't been any support to justify it. Not like they have some sort of health plan, or help with their taxes, there is no management that helps them day to day with their streaming (that's their own mods who do it for free). Buying new models comes from the pockets of the talents, so it was pointless to stay,

>>48206274
>All of the Niji/Holo EN had big channels and where at least 3 view before joining.
Lmao, Mori was literally struggling to pay rent and food before joining. Kiara was a failed idol. Ame was a nobody. Only Ina and Gura had a name for themselves prior holoEN.

>>48206783
>Lmao, Mori was literally struggling to pay rent and food before joining.
Yes, and have you seen the split of revenue they take?
From superchats it's a 70% cut for youtube, half of that for holo, half of that cut for the talents but pre taxes so it's just pennies even with all akasupas.

>Kiara was a failed idol. Ame was a nobody. Only Ina and Gura had a name for themselves prior holoEN.
Terrible examples. Ina still goes back to her PL illustration job instead of streaming, gura stopped caring, Ame was one of the top indies so she could have gotten clout if she kept doing the same anyways and Kiara still focuses on her IRL anyways because she know putting all your eggs in the corporate basket is retarded.

>>48206783
The only thing they know about them is what they read in the vshojo general

>>48207022
>From superchats it's a 70% cut for youtube
YouTube is 50%
>half of that for holo
Also no and differs per talent
>half of that cut for the talents but pre taxes so it's just pennies even with all akasupas.
Wrong again.

>>48205445
I’m guessing you’ve never had a job before. When you work at an office you don’t keep the computer, when you work door to door you don’t keep the ipad, when you do assistant work you don’t keep the phone, when you work Security you don’t keep the gun and walkie talkie, when you work at a store you don’t keep the cash register, 9 times out of 10 you don’t even keep your name tag, and when you’re a comedian you don’t keep the mic. When you turn 18 maybe you’ll start understanding

I think vshojo is fucked, money is runing out, the market is in recession, there's more competion and other alternatives, they have no secundary source of income and their talent deosn't seems to be that loyal to the brand lol. Indies are literally doing everything that the vshojos do, but making more money in the process.

>>48207022
>From superchats it's a 70% cut for youtube
Youtube takes 30%.

>>48207280
This is your brain on capitalism. Try to think outside the box.

>>48207280
Fucking kek. But you can put your work experience on your resume. You can get hired for other jobs.
If you work for a vtuber company, you cannot use your name to show you worked for that company.

When a TV new hosts they keep their name and can keep doing things under that name. When a vtuber quits, they don't have a right to their own name, their channel gets deleted as a "fuck you, you don't get a portfolio" and they get threatened to not stream as a vtuber afterwards for a period of time or they will sue (Sinclair contract).

>>48207319
Vshojo is doing what the XFL did in the 2000's. They're going down the exact same path. Its actually funny, even down to the financial situation. Vshojo better hope to god those bitches can rake in more money, because they have less than a year at this rate.

>>48207458
>If you work for a vtuber company, you cannot use your name to show you worked for that company.
Are you retarded anon? Can you think on why vshojo got kson and nazuna?

>>48207022
Nigga this is embarrassing one so many fucking levels, the talents after a year can negotiate their contracts, many talked about that and how cover later takes less and less from them.

>>48202781
At least it nice to see that nature is healing when vshojo start declined itself.

>>48207022
You could read youtubes terms for how sc and taxes work.
Revenue split is negotiated by the talent
Ame wasn’t a top indie
Kiara does only focuses on hololive rm shit is a hobby
You get your false information then try to spread it as if people don’t actually watch hololive

>>48207171
Super Fans” making Super Chat payments can pay any amount from $1 to $500. You will notice, however, that you don't get to keep all the revenue earned by Super Chat. YouTube/Google keeps about 30% of the money earned by YouTube Super Chat

>>48203662
But Chance's brother is a lawyer? Shes already making good use of the family line it seems, and that guy have been helping Chance since the start of his streaming career.

>>48207458
No matter how much you dream about things they stay dreams. VAs, Directors, Game designers, radio hosts, idols, celebrities, and big corporations know their identities. They meet them in person, they even use celebrity dance studios. All the connections they make can be used to land a new job if they wish. And yes it can be put on their resume for more entertainment based jobs

>>48203784
Yeah, I guess this gen needs to learn their lesson the hard way. Anyone who was around for Machinima learned to lawyer up before signing a contract.

>>48204405
>a random youtuber agency doesn't give their talents a live2D model that cost at least five grand.
it's called an advance, nigga, record labels do it all the time

>>48203051
>Thing that benefited me no longer benefits me, so I'm going to leave and warn people about it
Explain what's wrong about this?

>>48202781

>>48202781
Can any1 tell how much quantity did the bag vshojo shilling sold?

>>48206274
>All of the Niji/Holo EN had big channels and where at least 3 view before joining.

Most of them were 2views, low 2views for some.

>>48204818
It's pretty par the course for most companies in general, outside of vtubing. Like, cartoons change voice actors all the time. Mikey Mouse is over a hundred years old. VAs are transient, characters are forever. It makes sense for the company to own them.

>>48207445
>Try to think outside the box.
Imagine a corpo that says they will create a character for you, pay artists and riggers, so you get a model that you can use and keep when you leave. They say you can leave any time and they won't take your money because that is what black corpos do.
How the fuck is this corpo supposed to make money and not get abused by the talents who join to get a model and then leave?
The nice guy corpo that makes no money is basically dead.

>>48205188
>it's so stupid when retards say that talents make money off of merchandise of a character that doesn't belong to them
You mean retards like Yagoo? >>46160521

>>48209017
>How the fuck is this corpo supposed to make money
They shouldn't
>The nice guy corpo that makes no money is basically dead
Exactly my point
No corpo, however seemingly benevolent, can in good conscience keep any profits for itself. Certainly the managers who pull it together should be fairly compensated for their labor, but a corpo as an entity frankly doesn't need to exist.

>>48208222
Kek

>>48204818
> t. Cyberlive CEO

>>48209638
Agreed. Cities have no reason to exist either, we should just call them conglomerates of buildings.

>>48202781
Is this that "I love eating cum" chick? Why do we care about someone so trashy?

>>48209638
> This is your brain on communism
poor kid, I hope you can grow out of this mindset before you waste years of your life chasing a retarded utopia

>>48209638
Some things are only doable with large amounts of organized people and a power hierarchy, this is coming from someone who unironically 100% agrees with uncle Ted

>>48210053
Cities are public, geographic entities that are publicly owned and don't operate to produce profit for owners but for the citizens
>>48210229
Interestingly, I've only grown more leftist as I get older because I see it less as a utopia and more as an achievable reality
>>48210359
I don't disagree. No corpos doesn't mean no cooperation. Collectives with elected leaders that produce work for the benefit of the workers instead of the capital owners can and do exist.

It's hilarious how vshitters immediately turned on these two the moment they left the company - oh sorry, "talent agency".
Corpocock must be delicious when it's flavored with invasive hormones and genderfluids.

>>48211197
>Collectives with elected leaders that produce work for the benefit of the workers instead of the capital owners
examples that are somewhat relevant in the socioeconomic landscape?

Damn this place really is overtaken with foids and redditors now I never knew I would find so many mfs complaining about capitalism here

>>48211455
/vt/sisters pretend to capitalism when it does things they don't like lmao

>>48211197
Name a single situation which a consumer can invest in GFE under your ideal vision and not have their investment blown up
>the women who would do it under their own free will
nonexistent, ones emotional directive is not under our own and free will is an illusion, desires will never not be influenced by others to a degree that one would consider "unwilling"
>then GFE shouldn't exist like that
not an argument if a person if willing to offer something that literally only they can provide they should be physically formed to provide it or if impossible be threatened with cataclysmic consequences, which is only possible via contractual obligation when the law doesn't permit it

>>48205862
>Person shitting on Veibae for leaving VShojo
>HOLO HOLO HOLO FUCKING HOLOFAGS
What

>>48211197
Collectives only work on certain cases and fields, and they have a very narrow size they can work, too small and any given member could go "Fuck you, I'm leaving and taking my part with me", too big and it's impossible to manage
>Elected leaders
Doesn't prevent the too small or too big problem, and any solution gets it closer to being an actual corporation

>cons: none
but then why are people leaving vshojo due to exploitative contracts? kson please explain

>>48207022
>70% cut for youtube
Man, how the hell 30% becomes 70% I wonder
>half of the cut for talents but pre-taxes
You do know that taxes are based on personal income and not the entire things right? So if talents receive 35$ after the cut, the taxes are based on the 35$, not the 70$ or the 100$. And you do know companies also have taxes right?

I mean, if you want to argue that US taxes are shitty because it tax you anywhere in the world you work, even if you don’t live in US majority of time, then Mori can just drop its US citizenship and be japanese or anywhere she have low tax obligations. Her tax are not your problem

>>48212949
Oh yeah, Japanese tax rate are also pretty high too. Although you may get much more public investment compared to US but welp, better look for other nationality then.

>>48202781
VShojo is almost as bad as Cover at this point.

>>48202781

>>48203784
poor russia...

>>48211197
>Interestingly, I've only grown more leftist as I get older because I see it less as a utopia and more as an achievable reality
That's called senility.

>>48210229
Being anti-corporations =! Communism

>>48202781
Not a good week to be Vshojo

>>48211197
It's literally the opposite. The reason why modern cities were built in the first place was for capitalistic production, that's why most people moved away from rural living in the first place. Cities are for capital, villages are for people.

Why do redditshitters love vshojo?

>Durrrr I'm an openly nasty gross whore and can't play a character whatsoever!!! Wanna hear me say HENTAI GUYS
>Take my le hecking superchaterino!!!!!

>>48213792
Why does reddit live rent free in 4chan fags heads?

>>48213792
lol

>>48212927
tut tut tut, no cons for joining, doesn't say anything about contract changes after such.

>>48212927
There's a difference between exploitative and "not in your favor financially as you'd like it to be"

>>48212949
>be a retard and move to Japan
>waah I need to pay taxes
Should've taken that into consideration. Now she's getting spitroasted by two nations lmao

>>48203413
But anon, I only care about money and myself too

>just hire a lawyer bro

>>48202781
holy kek

>>48215768
If you're ever at a point where a lawyer will be useful, you either have enough money for paying them to be a non-issue or they'll do it for free

>>48215768
Yes if you're in the position she was at thousands of viewers prior to joining and making as much money as she was, hire a lawyer before signing something. How is that bad advice at all? In what reality could the vshojos no afford a lawyer to oversee a contract even prior to the company's creation?

>>48203051
How exactly does this show VShojo isn't a corpo?

>>48204219
kson probably got a really juicy contract. Not all of them have to have the same contract when they join. kson isn't a risk and is guaranteed to bring in some money so they'll give her the best contract possible to keep her around

>>48202781
It's a Quantum Corporation
It's a Corporation when it's useful
It's NOT a Corporation when it's useful

And then insist that you're crazy for calling them out for this.

>>48207473
I still say the OG XFL was an elaborate Tax Writeoff scheme by Vince that he fumbled hard

>>48212158
Were you Not aware that veibae was the sixth member of myth this whole time. I only learned about this yesterday as well

>>48206104
The owner is trying to make streamer backpacks a thing

Can someone please make a list?
At least Kson and Nazuna seem to believe Vshojo is a tax sucking corp.

>>48215028
Mori was just a retard and didn't know her accountant already fixed that

>>48207458
>If you work for a vtuber company, you cannot use your name to show you worked for that company.
Says fucking who? Where are you getting that from? The voices in your head?
Kson and Nazuna are solid evidence that having experience in a corpo can land you a job at another corpo.

>>48207171
>he doesn't know how greedy japanese corpos are with idols

lel

VShojo is a registered privately owned corporation in California, USA.

>>48204818
>that we inherited from japan?
dude? do you really dont know why Prince and Kanye changed their name?

>>48202781
So why is the whore allowed to keep her name and model If corpros are bad?
Not that it matters, Shylily is the superior form to her.

>>48202781
is this implying kson lied?
again?

>cons: none
I sure wonder how many girls they have managed to scam into cutthroat contracts with their talent freedom nonsense

>>48204818
What exactly would you have them do? People who watch vtubers don’t want to see the roommate or empathize. I tried watching kson on her rm while she was still coco and couldn’t give a shit no matter how much I tried.
Of course I want the rm’s to own none of their model and be beholden to the corpo, and a sizable number of vtuber viewers do as well. There’s plenty of twitch indies who’ll do face reveals or whatever when they want if you’re not into that.

>>48202921
How can Vshojo be a black company? Isn't it literally just Nyanners and Mel? It's pretty much a lemonade stand.

I thought "black company" refered to actual organizations with levels of employment where a president-CEO can land his helicopter on the building, walk to a random floor of said 200 floor building and say "work through Christmas--- for FREE! MWAHAHAHAHA".

But... It's just Nyanners and Mel in a cardboard box behind a Denny's...

>>48224328
kekson lied
mousey died

>>48204219
God kson looks so fucking bad after all this shit

Didn't defend pikamee, didn't defend silvervale, they both leave their companies
Holy shit

And the fact that Kanata streams have been skyrocketing is just insult to injury, remember when Kanata used to be discouraged when she compared herself to coco?
Now kson can't even hope to get a third of Kanata's ccv

>>48205584
I don't understand why people keep saying this keeping their IP like something so important when it's theirs to begin with, Your argument only work if Vshojo was the owner of said IP and they give it to her, Also Vshojo is always feel like a scam they don't invest on anything, no real support, only hire already established indie they are basically only leeching those indie they hired by using their IP to sell merch and make profit while the member got no benefit except they got "Vshojo brand" on their name which i'm not even sure i would call that a benefit since their brand power is not even close with big company brand like Hololive or Nijisanji, At most Vshojo only provide you some basic networking but even indie can do their own merch, get laywer, manager etc, So i get why she feels like her contract is not worth she probably think Vshojo don't have anything that she can't easily get so it's not worth to let Vshojo to make profit off her IP when she basically got nothing in return

>>48206025
Iirc Vshojo pulled a VOMs where they kept all the merch money and most of the sponsor money. Anyone who isn’t a retard knows that merch/sponsors are where the real money is at.

Don't take advise from ecelebs who never worked a day in their life. You'll be thankful down the line.

>>48222437
>just be like these insane anti-Semites they know what's up

>>48202781
but it is?

>>48206783
>Mori was literally struggling to pay food before joining
Doubt

>>48238975
Why do you think she got fat only after she joined?

>>48227537
Little secret anon. All companies are slimey duplicitous scum. Some burn people worse than others (wactor, nijien) but none are good or on the side of the employee and the people.
Kson made an awfully big song and dance that vshojo wasn't like that even going so far as to act like they aren't even an actual company. Now vei is implying overtly that they are while silver is suggesting overtly that it's also a clique ridden shithole.

None of that is actually news to regulars /here/ but vei and silver are based for ripping the veil off while they're walking out the door.

>>48204818
Another retard who knows nothing about copyrights and actual taxation

>>48202781
Imagine going to law school to specialize in vtuber law. Imagine.

>>48203051
you've never been employed

>wah boohoo wo is me
woman behavior

>>48204624
Peepa Pisskin

>>48206025
I think that was obvious from the get go. Or else how is Vshojo supposed to make money? Gunrun managed to secure around $11 million in funding for Vshojo, which is more than what Cover had obtained with funding before their IPO. And considering how much bigger Cover is compared to Vshojo, how is Vshojo going to give value for its investors, let alone pay the investors back. They have to siphon a great deal of income.

>>48244107
because she sit on her ass more than before, you don't move around while streaming unless you're riding a dildo while you stream.

>>48207022
Bravo you manage to be wrong multiple times in 1 post lol. You clearly dont know what the f you are takking about so stfu

>>48207280
He is probably a jobless 40 yr old living in his mom's basement. Dont expect anything

>>48202781
>talent freedom
the freedom to backstab your friend!
the freedom to bow down to trannies!
JOIN NOW!

>>48227537
The corpo smiles as they stick the knife in your back anon. Always have, always will.

>>48232172
Exactly and it wouldn't surprise me if their "flagship" streamers got a sweeter deal to keep them happy (but still shit compared to just hiring a merch/ad manager yourself most likely).
Remember, a company flagship isn't always the most popular by raw numbers but also the soft metrics so doesn't mean someone like Vei would get a better contract than say Nyanners. Froot or Zen depending on how management weights their perceived value of the talent in question.

>>48246420
It's just standard talent contracts that's been circulating for a decade now since youtube blew up, there are definitely entertainment lawyers specialising in online personalities.

>threads in the past few months of graduations
>yeah they signed that shitty contract so they deserved to lose everything, they should have read the contract before signing it after all contract is above everything
>veibae: get a lawyer to read the contract before you sign anything

I see nothing wrong with this, after all you see so many vtubers get screwed hard in the past few months thanks to shitty contracts.

>>48252469
That's just entertainment people in general, the talent are always in such a rush to just go out and clown around that they just sign any piece of paper you put in front of them. Been the same shit in music, film and whatever else.

Remember Machinima that literally had contracts that were illegal since they were valid in perpetuity? Yeah, people aren't so bright.

>>48227537
They have a company head that isn't mowtendoo and some staff which were seen in nyanners' karaoke bar tweet
probably some other people working behind the scenes too above the company head who they don't want to reveal

>>48202781
>making contracts turns your into a corporation

>>48202921
>>48227537
according to anon every company is a "black company". anon doesn't know what it means, thinks it's just "I don't like them".
I mean, it's vshitshow, so it's a piece of shit, but I doubt there's nearly the needed level of competence-in-evil to be a black company.

>>48204818
>What the fuck is this character ownership bullshit that we inherited from japan?
why you talking like this is not the same for every IP in any industry?
You created a brand new product under a company? that's the company product now
you developed a software? that's the company software

It was always fucked up and nothing new when JP corpos started out

>>48207458
>you cannot use your name to show you worked for that company.
who said that?

>>48202781
To be fair the only group of streamers that have lasted for years that I can think of that is not actually a corporation is Vinesauce.

Vshoujo? More like Vtranny

>>48204818
>>48205445
>>48207458
This may come as a shock to you, but vtuber personas are not real people. They're characters played by a person behind the screen. Yes, the line separating character from actor is a lot thinner for vtubers than most other acting-type jobs, but that doesn't change the fact it's still a character. And there's nothing unusual about a company owning a character.

>>48202781
I hate this whore so goddamn much it's unreal.

>>48256658
We know, mouse.

>>48205425
funny you post a shylily pic. She was the one ranted for about 40 minutes about why she needed to join mythic because it was too much work for her to do alone.

>>48257087
The fuck are you talking about schizo

>>48207458
Are you retarded? How do you think kson and nazuna land in vshojo then? Did they need to submit resume too kek.

>>48257427
I said "We know, mouse"