/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

yes
if corps want to keep their members they should offer some value beyond just rent seeking

Fair or unfair dosent matter in 3view hell all that matters is survival

>>48073063
>be a streamer
>"survival"
do whores really?

>join corpo
>they take a 50% cut
>they promise to help "eventually"
>they're understaffed because many managers left early on due to overwork
>girls who joined earlier but stream less than you since they view it as a part-time hobby get fast-tracked to 3D because of Japanese senpai autism
>they let another girl harass you because she's making more money than you
>they only do something about it when the japanese member of the group (the one who can legally sue the japanese-based company and win) starts also getting harassed
>company still mostly not helping you
>girls who joined earlier not sympathetic to your complaints since most of them have day jobs while you're trying to make this your full time job
>you leave
>immediately get slandered as a giant whore with a gaping coochie
Retain talent intelligently.

>>48073114
>giant whore with a gaping coochie
The woman in the OP is a Br*tish slag, so that's a given

>>48073114
who?

So I take it the unfunny blonde SEA girl's doxxing drama has blewn over and kawaii is back to bashing former talents under NDA

>>48072923
It's impossible to tell who caught the paypig initially, so it's ethical.

>>48073114
>they only do something about it when the japanese member of the group (the one who can legally sue the japanese-based company and win) starts also getting harassed
I thought everyone on kawaii were SEA or western whores. Who is the jap you are talking about?

>>48072923
Not ethical, is a gamble, you're gambling that most of your fans in the corp will follow you wherever you go, you're also gambling that you alone will be able to keep your paypigs without the combined effort of the entire brand, you're also gambling your relationships with your paypigs as they very likely will see the situation as a perfect time to groom and will ask for more intimate stuff, lowering your opsec.
You win something, you lose something.

>>48073972
Nene is a japanese citizen and the harassment only stopped/oceane was fired when nene was getting harassed. Her fans will tell you she's not in japan but it doesn't really matter because a japanese citizen can take a japanese company to court in ways that foreign women cannot. It indicates the company did not give a fuck until they were in direct possibility of legal trouble.

>>48072923
>Join company
>Get model some debut hype and 10k deadsubs out of unity faggotry
>Only motivation to stay with a company is the company threatening to slander you if you ever leave because the company doesn't actually do shit besides bankroll a model
Yes. It's always ethical to fuck over mismanaged black corpos that are dumb enough to think making a vtuber company is as simple as running an audition, commissioning a live 2D, and occasionally sorting out some merch. Especially when their winning marketing strategy begin and ends at enforced unicornism
Forget personality. Forget innovation. Forget basic PR. What's going to make kawaii a vtubing titan is a no male rule
What an absolute joke it's like if vt made an idol company

>>48072923
She left because she wanted to collab with Alban but back in Kawaii she got shat on by her fans for it

>>48072923
>$21750
I hate these people

>>48072923
>Is this ethical?
Yes, anyone that joins a corpo should work their ass off trying to get a huge fanbase as possible, just in case they ever get were to graduate, get terminated, or the company goes under, they can take as many of those fans with them as possible

Unironically it's just smart business. From what I've heard they were taking a massive cut anyway, so no mercy. Maybe don't take so much if you want loyalty.

>>48075771
Ok sis, I hope you hire someone in the future and they fuck you over too for karma and you learn something. what you wish on others come back to you sevenfold.

>>48073114
>>48074078
Was all of this revealed to you in a dream?

>>48073114
Don't like don't join, this was always known and isn't any secret.

>>48077427
She is a brit so the "gaping coochie" is 100% true

>>48073096
if number didn't matter you wouldn't join a corpo you would be content with 5 viewers for the rest of your life

Outside of true corpocucked minds how would it ever be unethical? The contract is up. Are the ethical choices really "pay a corp an absurd cut forever" or "stop streaming entirely?"

>>48073114
Based corp
Disloyal whores deserve nothing

Why is vtubing so weird about corporate loyalty compared to other entertainment industries?
Bands changing their record label, often breaking contract somewhere in the process, don't have their fans suddenly turn on them, same with actors or even just regular office jobs. If your current employer doesn't offer you enough money or support of course you'll leave.

>>48077947
Because very often the original character “dies” when someone leaves a corpo.

>>48077787
Contract was not up,
They forced a graduation by unioninizing and going on strike for a week to then run with the money when corpo did not budge on everything they wanted.

They had indie personas ready the day of the announcement and were already begging for money for a new model during their return streams.

>more graduations than active talents
lol

>>48077947
>same with actors
Yea sure, fan doesn't cause a boycott or riot just because they change actor to a long time franchise right. Gina carano.

>>48072923
The fuck is this? Who?
People donated tens of thousands of dollars to her?

>>48079020
Yeah I'm confused why there's two people putting down over 20k in that image and another at 12k, is it simply mental illness?

>>48074078
Oceane literally did nothing wrong and to this day no one has provided proof.

>>48072923
And people wonder why most corpos don't let you keep the model or the channel, gotta have some counter measure against people like this

>>48078371
No that's what I meant, fans only care about the actor instead of the company that employs them.
In vtubing fans seem to care way more about about the company than normal.

>>48072923
sure, if the corpo has nas nothing to make the liver think twice about it in the contract then its on them.

>>48072923
There's nothing unethical about ditching your corpo if they don't provide value to you. Corporate loyalty is some burger-brained propaganda because burgers are slaves from birth. Simply giving you a $2000 model isn't worth a 50% cut for your entire career.

>>48073114
>corpo says over and over again that they're a small indie company doing their own thing and they're not the right corpo if you want to get big and become super famous or rich
>cloud seeking whores keep joining anyway
idk maybe do some research before joining a company

>>48081359

>>48081189
kys commie

>>48072923
Yes, because corporations aren’t people who deserve rights

Gen3 fags are disgusting fucking people just like their whore 'oshis'

>>48073114
>making shit up and acting like you were there when everything was happening
shameless dramanigger
especially the part where they never did anything until it started happening to Nene.

>>48083254
just normal horesuck lies

>>48072923
hate the game, not the player
if other players can't play the game then it's literally a skill issue

>>48072923
sports players do the same, so yeah. They take their fans sometimes. Why wouldn't it be any different?

>>48082950
>you are either a slave or a commie
Retard. Company loyalty is actually collectivist mentality.
Capitalism is based on individual value. Companies will try to optimize benefits/risks, but the same goes for the individual contractors.

>>48087439
>but muh tribalism, muh holo/sanji/whatever family.
Companies will sell that to drones for their own benefit, and also use it to guilt trip talents.
Nijisanji is a family, right? kek ask Zaion.

>>48087126
Sportsballfag here. I know you don't support any team so you are not a real sportsballfag.

Mercenaries have always been a problem and many actual fans of the game fondly rememeber the times when a player would go through the academy, join the first team and only leave the team after retiring, maybe become the captain in the process. Those were the "idol" players, loved by fans and an inspiration for the younger generation.
Sadly it's a very rare thing nowaday, it made the game much more romantic and beatiful.

>>48072923
That's a normal practice in general. A hairdresser starts working in a salon, builds up a client base, and leaves to work with them at home. IT-fags jumping companies after building up skills and portfolio. I'm more surprised more girls didn't go this path already.
And yes, it is ethical to one-up a corpo. Always.

Corporations suck. Not a single vtuber corp is spotless.
The future of Vtubing is independent groups of federated indies.

>>48073036
As far as I can tell, Kawaii did the bare minimum for everyone except Nene.

>>48073253
Sava, Aletta, Peony and Miryu(now /same/).

>>48090456
They'll be talent agencies that sign on independent creators aka how it's done literally everywhere else on YT and Twitch.

>>48072923
she would be nothing without Kawaii's support, this whore Letti has been on the internet for years but only after she became Letti she struck gold, if she were so good why couldn't she do it without Kawaii's help?

>>48077947
Vtubing seems to be much more like sports in this regard, people are happy to see talented people join and do well with their "team" but they'll feel betrayed the moment they leave, specially if it's to join a rival
Don't ask me why they do this tho, I honestly have no idea about what drives people to feel that way in either case

>>48091335
She used twitch instead of the superior platform youtube

>>48072923
This is what they get to believe zoomer woman.
Imagine getting scammed out of 70k

>>48091335
>Kawaii's support
>anyone other than Nene

>>48072923
phasefags sure are desperate when they are digging up dead drama to deflect from their black company showing their true face

>>48091335
This that Kawaii did for Aletta:
>Give her a model
>Give her a brand to be tied to
>???

She earned the paypigs herself, Kawaii doesn't really do anything in terms of marketing. Nene would most likely be better off without them too.

>>48072923
Phasenigger deflection thread

>>48073114
> provide very high quality model and good rigging that match or better than the big corpo
> give merch
> have new outfit in process
> have plan set for 3d
> brand name elevates them from 1 views nobody to 3 views
> voice lesson and dance lesson
> money set out for skeb/cover
ButI I guess they aren't deep pocket like Idolcorp to run youtube ads 24/7 for months, they should just get fucked over

>>48094083
None of gen 3 would break 1/2view hell without kawaii. There's a reason almost all of them have their new "model" basically a knock off from their kawaii models.

>>48093299
please hang yourself and livestream it.
>>48093758
>>48094083
>implying she could have done it on her own
yeah right. these whores should be slapped with massive fines for quitting and ruining companies reputation.

>>48094239
These people are fucking idiots. Miori talked about being an indie vs being in a corpo and as much as some people complain about the cut that the corpo takes, the things that you need to do alone as an indie literally ends up costing you not only financially but mentally too. Just the merch handling can be a massive headache.
But these /wvt/ and /asp/ shitters love to talk shit like they know how things in this business actually works.

>>48094436
Embarrassing. Not even a Kawaii employee would claim they actually support their talents.

>>48093758
And merch, and all of the promotion from their senpai and the kawaii fans. A lot of regulars fans from gen 1 and 2 were also supporting her growth and boost her algorithm. Surely if none of that matter, then she could have been a successful streamers before Kawaii, but she wasn't. Nene/Isla were both significantly more relevant than her on their respective PL, but they respect and appreciate Kawaii anyway.

>>48094560
And Mio was in an actually shitty corpo that didn't provide nearly as much as Kawaii did. However, she still didn't burn bridge and left Tsunderia on good term at the end of her contract. She still shows appreciation to the tsunderia managers mamage to help her, even in a small degree.

>>48094335
Letti is doing better numbers since leaving than anyone in Kawaii is. You're full of shit

>>48072923
When did FBK do any of this, Zhang?
You people will make ANYTHING up and retards here will eat it up instead of using critical thinking and differentiating misinformation from reality

>>48094845
Yes, from the drama buff
So she gain number from joining kawaii and take advantage of the brand, then gain more number from fucking the brand over for the drama buff.
Surely, her content didn't improve just because she left Kawaii right?

>>48094845
Was she doing those numbers as a TFT fleshstreamer on twitch? Of course not.
Kawaii put her out there, without the corpo no one would even know she existed. I will give her credit for being consistent and hard working at least.

>>48095008
If eing apart from Kawaii is literally better than being a part of the brand for numbers then maybe she made the right choice. Next time you should make sure the girls can't fleece you and be better off afterwards, intern-kun.

>>48072923
This type of short-sighted behavior just means they'll be out of the scene within a year or two at best. It's obviously about money that they didn't have a chance to grab at for themselves, so after interest dries up for their non-entertaining-selves, they'll be reaching out to whatever paypigs are left for some "special meetups".

>>48077947
>Why is vtubing so weird about corporate loyalty compared to other entertainment industries?
Vtuber corporations are huge on promoting brand loyalty and Hololive is the Disney of vtubers. Their marketing strategy is specifically designed to get fans attached to the brand IP.

>>48091004
That'd also similar to what happened to Hollywood, going from studios basically owning actors to a more mercenary approach.

It's a good strategy tho.
Leech the company to get an audience and scam people for money then quit. They aren't losing anything.

>>48094239
I'm not senile so I remember their CCV at debut, they were barely better than what remaining girls are now, and that didn't improve until Aletta grinded shorts. The skeb fund is the only good thing because everything else was payed for by the talents. The merch was utterly garbage and the shipping from Japan nerfed their overall income.

They will probably fare better partnering as an indie group with a generic influencer merch corpo than they were there.

>>48097665
Whorsecucks really lie as easily as they breathe

>>48097757
I don't watch anyone from /same/ but I have been there since Gen 1. Before Gen 3, only Nene was barely relevant.

>>48097665
holy esl

>>48097665
They all got like 200-300 ccv's during debut. Some drop down (particularly Peony and Miryu because their contents were initially too messy and raw) but letti and oceane maintain momentum with shorts and high volume of streams.

>>48081189
Sorry, but saying it's just Americans that are like this is silly. It mostly stems from how it used to be a good strategy to have a good career, but for the last 60 or so years, it hasn't. Many in the US have moved away from this mindset, especially younger people. On the other hand, Japan is LITERALLY the posterchild for corporate loyalty. It's extremely frowned upon in Japan to switch companies. But why don't you mention that?

>>48097322
>They aren't losing anything
Not quite. This didn't paint them in the best light.

>>48098753
Only to other corpo, their ex corpo-mate and some long term fans of the girls in corpo but to the casual viewers and tourist, they are always in the good light escaping from oppressive idol corpo culture.

>>48098753
It didn't paint Kawaii in the best light, more like. Anyone outside of /pkg/ recognizes this.

>>48098753
Did it really?
Most of them seem to have ratined the majority of their fanbase at least and I doubt any new fans, if they manage to get any, will care all that much or even know.
There was also a pretty good amount of support from various indie and small corpo vtubers so they might honestly have a better shot to leech off of bigger vtubers now than beforeö

>>48072923
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.

>>48098951
/pkg/ is just deranged nenefags anyway
those schizos would murder their family if she asked them to

>>48099165
Nene is the least posted talent on /pkg/, what are you on about?

>>48094239
The high quality model and at least steady 2-3view ccv thanks to brand name is the reason why indie even sign up to small corpos.

All the gen3 who left immediately had a dono goal of 4k to fund their new "official" models. Getting a 4k model for an indie out of the gate is simply impossible just for the fact that no one fucking knows you exist. They were able to do that because Kawaii put their name out there and allowed them to catch some whales (Aletta in particular). They also have a 2-3view ccv thanks to their previous exposure. I'd like to see a fresh, never before seen, indie vtuber with a 2-3view ccv one week after debut like that group has.

Aletta used to be a TFT fleshstreamer and hosted tourneys, no one gave a fuck about her ("70k donothon" level) until she put the horse model Kawaii gave her.
Peony didn't even stream before Kawaii.
Only Sava was somewhat known and the other two were fucking vsingers.
Kawaii was not perfect but gave them the career they have now, with only Sava/Gezu being the exception.

>>48094560
Miori was in a western corpo so the staff is expected to be overworked. Also Tsunderia had Urara who was considered one of the better managers out there and even after that they hired THREE managers who tried to get things going as well. Japanese corpos just take your money and hoist all the work to the talents.

I don't know why people dickride Kawaii and the management so hard. They're literally all of the downsides of the big Japanese corpos, with none of the independence of the true western small corpos, nor the financial backing of the jew corpo.

>>48099565
That little indie company is going to beat Hololive to having the first 3d vtuber concert so fuck off

>>48099358
Sure they benefited immensely from joining Kawaii, but does that justify sticking around despite the issues the company has?
Considering Kawaii's cut is higher than most of the other small corpo's there would need to some real incentive to remain, but there really wasn't. There were no ads for any of them, most of their funding came from fan donations and in general the initial boost of popularity is the only thing Kawaii really offered them.
Fucking off after a couple months when the company invested quite a bit is certainly somewhat deplorable, but also the obvious move if sticking around had no real benefit.
I think people are a bit too emotional regarding this and similar instances, in the end like all business ot's about money on both sides, anything else is just window dressing.

>>48099531
No one gonna say tsunderia is better ran than kawaii. Tsunderia can't get basic merch like keychain and pin without the girls having to physical go and pack them. They can't even get fan mails and gifts from PO boxes to the girls. New outfit projects were indefinitely delayed. A new gen audition was made and chosen, but didn't even debut. Urara was very personally and emotionally supportive with many of the girls and also was initially ambitious for the corpo, but can't carry it out. Gen 1/2 of kawaii had good things to say about the kawaii managers as well. We don't know anything beyond the fact that Kawaii manager/corpo did accomplish more than tsunderia despite working from another country across the ocean.

Believe it or not, well-run corpos naturally incentivize people to stay. Kawaii being the Nene show is going to produce consequences.

>>48099811
> kawaii has higher cut than other small corpo
Nice complete bullshit from tourist fags. Kawaii cut is the same as 99% of vtuber corpo out there. The only smaller known cut is tsunderia/cyberlive and they weren't quite the model corpo.

>>48099811
>higher than most
The jew prince cited the 50% cut as industry standard in her shorts about vtubing. I think many small corpos have figures around that.

Kawaii money mainly goes into their "Idol Project" with covers, 3D models and venues for concerts like the one they are going to have in LA. Gen3 left partly because they were not interested in that, despite existing thanks to a KS for the "Idol Project". Without that, Kawaii loses a lot of its appeal but then again, no one held them at gunpoint to join in the first place.
The "pump and dump" move is clear, some people like it, some people don't.

>>48098753
Leeching off a corpo and then fucking off gives them exposure and their actual paypigs would still follow them. The only bridge that gets burned would be with their former coworkers and their fans, but the upsides would outweigh the downsides if they're just in it for the money. New viewers that start watching aren't going to care about past drama like this.

>>48072923
>was a gunner premed during most of college
These kinds of people are notorious for joining groups or creating meaningless organizations just to do the bare minimum for a recommendation letter or medical school application fodder and then immediately leave afterward with no regard for the workloads of the people they're leaving behind. Everyone else in basic science hates them pretty much, no surprise she pulled a stunt like this

I hope her current indie persona's fans realize she's gonna do the same thing to them should Holo or Niji (or maybe even Idol) come calling

My understanding is that Kawaii is basically run as a nonprofit, with most of its revenue dumped into concerts and whatnot. Whatever members get is a nice little extra, which is fine if you treat vtubing as a hobby, but if you go into Kawaii with the expectation of it being a job you will feel like you are working for free, which I guess was the situation with gen 3.
Bear in mind that the source for all of this is my ass, but it supports my narrative so it's true.

>>48099565
As long as Nene is there I'll support them
Esoecially against the ungrateful whores who made Nene cry

>>48101238
>gen 3
>work
Lazy bitches barely streamed at all and accomplished nothing beyond siphoning money and making the actual good members sad

>>48101764
There ain't much to syphon from a company of 2views, chief.

>>48101661
Same and but also for Shee. That poor girl did nothing but welcome gen 3 from the start and always tried to invite them to stream together, particularly sava and Peony. They walked out right on her bday celebration donothon.

>>48101980
The graduation date was determined by Kawaii to be fair and they knew well in advance that gen 3 was impossible to convince.
I doubt they hated Shee so much that they would have refused to wait a day or two to graduate.

>>48102129
A big theme of the Kawaii response videos was that Gen 3 pretty much left everyone in the dark about whether they were actually going to graduate or not until after a meeting they tried to schedule at 3 AM JST (bearing in mind the management is Japanese) the day the announcement dropped, which was the same day as Shee's donothon. It's why the Charzu video only had 3 of the talents narrating, since they were the only ones available to record at the time

>>48072923
I dont think this is an aletta issue, I think the company is at fault otherwise the other 3 in the gen wouldnt have left.
All 4 leaving at once? Thats a huge red flag
I dont blame aletta, I think she got fucked over and called it quits and the others came too because they had similar issues that werent being addressed by management

>>48104484
>All 4 leaving at once? Thats a huge red flag
Yeah that their talent scout is fucking garbage
They hired an entire gen of wpiteful sluts who completly tanked Kawaii's rep by lying to their vtweeter fans

>>48077947
Why is western kike world so soulless compared to vtubing and it's corporate loyalty?
Plenty of holos could leave early. Top tier holos had long mental breaks even before breaching 100k mark but I'm not even spoonfeeding.

>>48105677
>jews enter the EN vtubing scene with a small corpo
>other small corpos start yabbing out massively
I CAN'T STOP NOTICING THINGS, RABBI

Kawaii being focused on Nene is suspicious as fuck, the CEO is known to be a stingy fuck, so Nene is definitely his favorite for some reason.

>>48107210
Nene is by dar their hardesr working and most talented member
She deserves all the support she gets

>>48107375
More like their hardest bootlicker. There's a good chance she renegotiated from how hard she fights to keep the her pay cut going.

>>48107520
Nami is a bigger bootlicker and she doesn't get special treatment.

>>48107210
>for some reason
How about being the only one who made vtubing her full time job

>>48073036
This you have to give some value and not just be a vtuber pimp

so true sisters

>>48107617
Nene pulls good numbers in addition to being a corporate sockpuppet
Nami has pretty shit numbers so there's no reason to reward her

>>48072923
I would say it's ethical if you stick to the contract and graduate when the contract ends. Breaking contract, especially after raising $70k, is not ethical unless there was a dire reason that you needed to, which there is no evidence that there is a dire reason.

>>48072923
I'm thinking based.

Is this ethical?
Hell no. It is no different from leech jumping from company to company

>>48072923
I think it's not ethical to extract this amount of money from mentally ill men in the first place just because they think they have a chance to sleep with you.
No better than titty streamers like Amourant or OnlyFans girls.

Pulling a fast one on the company is just bad optics for other companies looking to hire you, it doesn't really matter.

>>48107949
Any company that "rewards" on a performance basis when that performance is entirely based on RNG, is fundamentally flawed. It brings to mind a rewards system for something like salesman commission based work and f-f-f-fuck that, except with her GFE it looks more like prostitution with them being the pimp. It turns the company into a competitive environment and that just drains the fuck out of anyone trying to get ahead. It results in people trying to use underhanded tactics to fuck their coworkers over.
Add to that, Aletta brought in more than Nene and she didn't get rewarded the same, so it brings to question: Why would anyone stay at a workplace where it sure looks like the CEO has a special relationship with another worker you are competing with?

Honestly it's bullshit, if everyone did that we'd have no companies, no one could be trusted, the industry would collapse.
Social trust is something important.
From a 100% selfish perspective her actions are obviously understandable and justified.
Laws and morality are made up, the only thing that matters is what you want and your will to take it.
But it's bullshit that she'd take a spot from a girl that would have actually wanted to stay.

>>48108680
I'm certain they wanted to stay... at first, but after finding out how things really worked, they changed their mind.

>>48108575
>Add to that, Aletta brought in more than Nene and she didn't get rewarded the same, so it brings to question: Why would anyone stay at a workplace where it sure looks like the CEO has a special relationship with another worker you are competing with?
Totally baseless bullshit. I don't even watch Nene, but you PK gen 3 apologists are such annoying liars.

>>48081359
>if you want to get rich don't join
>by the way give us 50%

>>48108792
maybe they were just moneyhungry opportunists, people like that exist and they usually go pretty far

>>48108821
Did Aletta have any new outfits? Any special merch? Any special events?
Remember, we're talking about why Nene is getting preferential treatment.

>>48108853
>if you want to get rich don't join
>by the way give us 50%
>still joins
???

>>48108888
At Kawaii they have a points system where they earn certain points for doing things and they can redeem points for certain stuff. That's why Nene has so many costumes because she's racked up more points by being the most popular chuuba there.

>>48108867
I'd sooner believe a company is moneyhungry rather than an individual.

>>48108888
The idea that there was preferential treatment exists only in you schizo delusion. Aletta racked up enough points to get a new outfit and who knows what else, she left before it happened.

>>48108888
Aletta got merch for subs milestones and even a Daki just a few days before leaving the company.
They had her 50k outfit in the works too.

>>48094239
>> brand name elevates them from 1 views nobody to 3 views
It doesn't matter how much you lie, the old talents of KP are getting 100 or less CCV while aletta was 300-500 CCV and so was oceane. Gen 3 "made" Kawaii more than just a meme and the company did nothing to retain talent or work out their differences, the old generations of girls are not invested enough to work for it. These are facts, not revealed in a dream, but reality.

>>48108984
>Kawaii
>money hungry
LMFAO.

>>48097885
Nothing in his post is esl, are you perhaps reading at a third grade level?

>>48108960
>>48109054
>>48109075
So a points system that never rewarded her...

This just proves that the company incentivizes internal competition with each other based entirely on algorithm RNG and if the points accumulate, preferential treatment with the rest of the Gens. None of her genmates had anywhere near the same level of support, despite arguable working the same amount. No wonder they agreed leave together.

Nene is their main relevant talent while the rest of the older girls are just 2views. Why wouldn't she be favored? Acting like that's a big deal makes me think that some anons have never worked before.

>>48077947
It is unironically because all the "based loyal to corpo" people are originally redditors, even though they will try to claim hating corporations is the 'real' reddit. Being a consumer who sucks the dick of a specific corporation is a shill strategy explicitly pioneered on reddit, it's why you have 50yos buying nintendoos because when they were 15 they were playing the Famicom. The flood of reddit people to nu-vtubing erased the pre-existing culture of corporation hate that existed on /jp/ because of the mistreatment of Ai by Sony and replaced it with a very gay newfaggot culture of sucking Yagoo's dick. This is then exported outwards towards all the small corpos because redditors will still be redditors even if they're hipster redditors.

>>48108942
>If you want to get rich don't join
>By the way give us 50%
>Don't worry, think of it as an investment in the company so that we can help you grow.
>Join.
>Yeah, about that 50%, we are going to use it to put gen 1 and 2 on stage instead, but don't worry, next gen will pay for you to be on stage. Trust. Deal with it for now.
>Realize they joined an MLM.
>Leave.

>>48109588
meds

>>48109356
>working the same amount as Aletta
>Sava
I know you don't know anything about their PK days but man, this is just funny.
No one worked harder than Aletta. That was the only thing she had going for her.
Sava regularly fucked off for weeks and cancelled streams, Peony and Miryu were in college so they streamed when they could and never broke 25k subs.

>>48108680
The hobby (fucking industry?) existed before corporations, go the fuck back faggot.

>We don't believe in digital promotion

>>48109673
>twitter meme
Lurk 10 years, newfag.

>>48109662
They didn't want to be in the Idol Project though, only one maybe two were interested in that.
They joined something they thought was bad value, to do something they ultimately didn't want to do. Lots of woman moments there. Just accept it was a play to boost their vtuber careers for free. It worked btw

>>48109356
>This just proves that the company incentivizes internal competition with each other based entirely on algorithm RNG and if the points accumulate, preferential treatment with the rest of the Gens. None of her genmates had anywhere near the same level of support, despite arguable working the same amount. No wonder they agreed leave together.
It's not entirely RNG. Nene is far from my favorite from PK, but she always streamed the most and found her niche. Aletta also streamed the most and became popular because of her shorts. Even with RNG involved, so what? Life ain't fair. They added the points system in the first place so the girls would be able to get outfits by rewarding them for more than just sub count, if I remember right.
And, once again, the idea that "preferential treatment" had anything to do with gen 3 leaving is your schizo delusion. It looks like it was a simple pump and dump.

>>48109694
The first vtuber was Ai chan, corpo.
Then we get Mirai Akari, Siro chan and Kaguya Luna, all corpo.
The only indie was the old man loli.
Then we get the silver age of vtubers and the rise of PNG live stream vtubers with Hololive. Also corpo.
Almost any non corpo is basically unimportant, irrelevant and not even worth a footnote in history.

>>48108680
99% of industries work like this and there are still corporations which have been around for ages.
Vtubing is just weird due to the corporation having a much firmer grasp on their contractors, not even employees mind you, than most other industries, which is great for the companies sure but shit for the talent.
Vtubing corpos which can't offer much of anything will have people leaving for greener pastures, but that is no different from say an office worker quitting their job because of shit pay or whatever.
I really don't see any sort of ethical issues with this, Kawaii is a for profit company and its talents are adults who in some cases want vtubing to basically be their job, it's not a group of friends streaming for fun.

>>48072923
Boring thread. I love Elia, but I miss the ears.

>>48105586
hi nene
you are very passionate about this I can tell

>>48109342
If you read it about 50 times maybe you will get it reddit chama

>>48112643
Nah that post is right, Kawaii has a bad history with members.

>>48081189
Corporate loyalty is more Japanese than American. Americans generally treat jobs as temporary until they can make enough money for their "dream job". Japanese, on the other hand, are expected to work for the same company for life. Colleges often have programs for helping students to get interviews with companies and immediately get hired after graduation. That's why April is hiring season in Japan, because that's the beginning and end of the school year. Firing is extremely rare. Even if you do a terrible job, most companies will just put you in the corner instead of fire you. On the plus side, it's more stable this way since it's hard to lose your job. On the downside, if you do get fired or laid off, it's hard to find a new job since most companies will look down on you.

>>48112914
Well aletta was going to be their golden goose and they fucked it up.

>>48113474
Either they fucked up, or she betrayed them.
I do not know and there is not enough evidence to convince me of either.
But regardless historically Kawaii does have a lot of people leaving and some of them have left because they were shit to begin with.
So I agree they have a scouting issue.

>>48109993
People don't know that Isla is probably would be the first up to get preferential treatment in kawaii even if her number isn't special. She shares a lot of interest with the CEO, particularly the idol project and has a lot of good connections within vtube world.
Charzu is also the one least likely to get preferential treatment due to number and how often she clashes with the managers but she showed disapproval of gen 3's action anyway.

>>48113609
Kawaii is good with scout and recruitment, but bad at audition selection. Their gen 1 and some gen 2 members were scouted.
Gen 3 audition application size was probably unprecedented for them and they only had 1 person officially dedicated for recruitment so it was probably too much for him/her. They probably should scaled back on open audition and focus on scouting/recruitment and nepotism hire.

>>48113474
She is free to collab with Alban now, you win some you lose some

>>48113755
Interesting, thanks for the insight. That sounds understandable.
I hope they learned. I like the corpo but man the drama was not good for PR or morale.

>>48078057
>Namiji's tweet
BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED

It is hilarious to me when I read the things said about Kawaii in this thread. I'm not even a Kawaii guy I have 2 girls that I follow there, but I'm mostly watching Ami and Lisa. But holyshit, just the amount of blatant over the top lies being thrown around is very funny to me.
Nene is being called the biggest boot licker for working so hard, as if she didn't drop anything else to go full time with vtubing and all other girls still treat it as a side activity.
How fucking stupid are you people? Aletta mustered up all those numbers by basically doing the same. She dropped her RL job, dedicated herself to vtubing and made it. But now all of a sudden Aletta is le heckin based and Nene is somehow a bootlicker.
If Nene quit with Aletta for whatever reason, I bet these idiots would be calling her based too, instead of treating her like some evil mastermind that works behind the scenes against other girls.
Just admit that you are western roasties who hate the idol culture and hate kawaii for no male collabs policy.

>>48113788
Peony aside, the talent and potential in their gen3 was remarkable. Two very good singers, one charismatic artist/entertainer and a literal workhorse.
They couldn't vet obvious character flaws not fit for their corpo though.

>>48114054
Well that's true. Shit like personal character is hard to really filter.
No good way to know the girls would basically form a sub group and all ditch them together.
It's really funny tho how they basically created their own pseudo vshoujo.

Corpo's exposure is good and all but exposure can only do so far, and the rest is up to said streamer, there's a reason there are a huge disparity of popularity between the most and least popular talents in Hololive or Nijisanji even of a same branch or even generations. Staying wise, the burden is on the corpo to convince to make their vtubers stay. Provide more pays, organize more projects, offer better and long contracts. If exposure is all they offer, people like Suisei would have leave a long time ago

>>48072923
No. I pretty much stopped watching the horse. Her stream time was perfect for me too

>>48114354
kys

>>48114167
There were some signs.
/pkg/ called out Oceane as the most likely to graduate first as soon as they debuted. It was clear she was a bandwagoner on the vtubing trend.
They also had a hateboner for Aletta and regularly hateposted her up until her graduation, which vindicated all her antis.
People who knew who Sava was where surprised to see her in Kawaii and had a feeling corpo life was never going to work out for her.
Only Peony and Miryu didn't rise any red flag, but they were REALLY young. The former needed her mom to fill out the paperwork to join Kawaii because she was underage during the audition phase.

>>48072923
sounds good, corpos are shit and they dont deserve any kind of loyalty but there is a little problem that came from using someone as a medium/tool, you will always be a traitor and no one will trust you, which means no collabs, no growth and you are going to get stuck with your pay pigs (which will groom you daily) and they will have the power to control your content and even destroy your entire career.

>>48114784
>They also had a hateboner for Aletta
I still don't really get why to be honest
She was boring sure but gen 1 and 2 also had some boring chuubas

>>48072923
>pay someone a 50% commission for the service of promoting you
>become successful
>your clients don't leave you after you end the promotion arrangement
Of course this is ethical, you retard. The company provides a service to the talents, not to the paypigs. The paypigs therefore don't owe the company anything, and the talents' obligation has already been met.

>>48079261
You're on a mongolian basket weaving forum and you really need to ask?

>>48116224
I think it started with her Alban yab.
Interaction with male vtubers are frowned upon in Kawaii and only allowed in group settings. Even then they only happened two times iirc.

Aletta, who was a nobody at the time, orgasming on stream because a big NijiEN male dropped by and derailed the stream for a while caused a meltdown and she was forced to apologize by the backlash, but did not go through with it completely.

>>48112736
(You) are a retard, trying to call out a supposed esl who isn't.

>>48116224
Letti has some interest stream and zatsu at first but her streams get really dull later on. There's just something off about her. Maybe it's the lack of charisma or her just saying things people (her paypigs) want to hear. She lacks interest and passion imo. It's kinda like a robotic type of autism and I guess that fit well with the engineer/com sci audience.
Other girls regularly have shit take and taste, but they are passionate about them, which is more interesting and endearing.

>>48079950
how did that work out for kawaii?

>>48072923
>get exposure
pfft what exposure? kawaii who?

>>48118639
Very well

Dont follow her you creeps she left to get away from you all.

>>48117026
I still believe you can do it esl chama!

>>48120007
under questionable criteria maybe

Can someone share their new persona accounts please

>>48123181
>>48095324

I see it both ways

>>48072923
>Is this ethical?
It's business.

>no mention of Coco
Really? That seems like the perfect example where the end result is they go back to corpo soon after because superchats aren't really the main revenue if even the 2 most superchatted are saying that it isn't enough when they go it alone with supposed minimal cuts and more profits.

>>48099565
Because they like the idea they seem to be trying to sell?

>>48072923
>Do nothing about your genmate doxxing and sending her SEAshells after you for months
>be surprised when she decides to leave because the company takes 33% of her money without anything in return

>>48076762
And I thought idols charged a lot at around $10-$30 for 5 minutes of talking to them

>>48120106
>you all
Her top paypig posted discord messages about how he's going to sleep with her, and he is still with her, along with another paypig that implied jerking off to her feet.
As long as you pay up, you can be a creep all you want...apparently...and you won't be pushed away from the community despite her innocent "uwu I don't know what a peepee is" act.

It is someone's moral obligation to fleece corpos and the government from as much money as possible.

>>48117018
Nah. I didn't care about the Alban shit but I just found her constant recycling of real life bullying stories really pathetic and boring. She created the perfect pity bait that attracted dickless Asian men that followed her and felt sorry for her. Most of her audience is SEA as you can imagine. Thats why she even implied that she would collab with Uncle Roger (even before Alban thing happened), and she Chinkified her accent for that specific audience. She sounds completely different now. She was/is a boring hack of a streamer. Her and Peony were painfully bad vtubers. Miryu and Sava were the only entertaining ones.

>>48109696
one of the dumbest things I've ever heard from a company. were they handing out flyers or something?

>>48136614
>shits on companies and honorable deals
>posts people who supported corporations and built a nation based on promoting businesses

>>48137653
they just dont want the phase audience

>>48138052
leftmost was the best one so yea

>>48078057
Based Namiji

>>48072923
>Is this ethical?
yeah

>>48073114
What else did the voices tell you today?

Wow there sure are a lot of posts in this thread from people who don't watch Kawaii.

>>48078057
charzu good
nami bad

>>48108680
contracts exists, you don't need trust, that's how it works in the real life

>>48148673
the contracts didnt stop aletta and her friends
the chuubas can just quit if they want to, corpos can't do anything because suing the talents would make them look even worse

>>48150117
if a company is so vulnerable then it shouldn't exist

>>48148502
true

>>48150117
That's the corp's problem then

>>48077947
It's more like sports. You support a club, and if a player leaves to go to a rival club they're a traitor.

>>48108680
What you want and your will to take it are made up in the same way as laws and morality; they're all psychological and social concepts, and both you yourself and others can manipulate them. But I see your point.

>>48136614
well said

>>48073096
yes

>>48152797
Sports are way more of a team effort though in comparision to vtubing, if you like a soccer team and a player leaves he's arguably fucking over everyone else. But usually people are fans of particular members of a vtubing corpo more so than the company itself no?
If I like vtuber A and only really care about the others in the company because she interacts with them, I'll probably stop if she leaves.

>>48072923
>join corpo
>get exposure and catch some paypigs
>leave dying corpo
>get more exposure and paypigs
>stay in corpo
>take your paypigs to another payment provider so you don't have to share the money anymore
Is this ethical?

>>48081359
>corpo says they're small indie company
>you get big with them anyway
>they do nothing for you but still yoink tens of thousands of dollars from you :^)
small indie company who does nothing does not need 50% of your income lad, that's copium shit

>>48164275
if you don't want to give them 50% of your income then don't join them, that was in the contract she signed

>>48072923
its the only thing they can do