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>>48087524
Male vtubers are designeg to atract women and fagots, 99% of mens are not women or faggots..

>>48087524
>the models
They're too static and prettyboy-esque, immediatelly turns away a huge chunk of potential audience because they assume it's gay fujo shit.

>the guys themselves
They're just charisma vacuums, not entertaining enough to carry a channel by themselves, let alone a vtubing channel with corporate guidelines.

>friend/dad/aniki
Would you, as a dude, see yourself hanging out with any of them? Half speak with a lisp that makes them sound like they suck cock and the other half are just boring.

>>48087933
I'd hang out with Vesper because he's literally me.

>>48088039
post cock or fuck off sister

>>48087933
>Didnt get accept into Myth
>Couldnt get into Holostars EN as his original gender
>Still seething

ah yes lets compare vtubers who havent been around for a year to fleshtubers with a decade+ of streaming behind them

>>48088134
I'm not posting my cock so you can add it to the list of male tempus viewers to stalk and rape, sister.

>>48087933
I agree on the part about the models, they should have been ugly or wacky or cartoony or weird, instead of le stock BL protagonist

>>48087524
From 04/18 - 04/24 mem + giftmem for StarsEN
>Altare - 0 (on planned vacation, hasn't streamed since 04/15)
>Magni - 18 + 279
>Axel - 19 + 310
>Vesper - 29 + 87
>Bettel - 196 + 552
>Flayon - 31 + 277
>Hakka - 172 + 1010(Birthday, subtract about 400 or so)
>Shinri - 103 + 215
>Total - 568 + 2730 = 3298
Things to consider
Only a weeks worth
Gifted mem is always tier 2 at 4.99 usd, you have some cases of monopoly currency but they're rare
All numbers just added up with a calculator on Hololyzer.
Previous weeks amounts >>47650575 (Total is 5715)
Dunno anon, looks like they have an audience of willing paypigs at the very least.

>>48087933
>They're too static and prettyboy-esque, immediatelly turns away a huge chunk of potential audience because they assume it's gay fujo shit.
The funniest thing for me is still that they were also somehow supposed to be this shounen fantasy adventurer group with their "guild" and there you have Regis, the protagonist hero archetype, doing the gayest voice imaginable. What was the idea there?

Retard alert: the thread

>>48088496
EN3 would’ve gotten more, but keep posting the fags and their whale money, Retard.

>>48088550
>EN3 would’ve gotten more
EN3 would have copied the council formula and slacked off because all they have to see is that their "senpai" are just lazing around and getting money.

>>48088496
Imagine being Cover expecting a Luxiem and getting this, sad.

>>48088593
So EN3 would’ve gotten more?

>>48088658
Council isn't even getting more mem / memgift right now, so no, lmao.

>>48088653
>nijifag cope

>>48088253
Nice projection homobeggar

>>48088593
Council altogether brought in 120k on their monetization stream
Chloe’s out earned their individual career earnings in 1 stream
Koyori has earned their career earnings in 1 month
But yea at least they get gifted

>>48088039
You are also an obnoxious pathological liar?

>>48088736
So a new EN3 would’ve gotten more? Council didn’t debut within the year. 8 fags did. Council doesn’t have the novelty or debut buff. EN3 would’ve gotten more.

>>48087524
The only audience male vtubers have are fujos, chinks and trannys, and Luxiem already stole them all away. Cover has been regretting not debuting StarsEN earlier and are now punishing us by accelerating a bunch of gens under the guise of "popular demand."

>>48088534
See this could have worked if they started out simple with it using generic archetypes from tabletop rpgs (the belligerant dwarf, the human fighter, the arrogant elf, the scumbag thief), ran with it and see where it took them.

But instead they went full chuuni right off the bat to the point where the guys themselves have to fucking clue as to their own lore. Magni is particularly egregious with this.

>>48089203
No, how could you even accuse me of something like that? I'm just a little guy man, c'mon. I don't have weapons in my bedroom.

>>48088807
>anyone who won't suck Tempiss dick is a nijinig
Sure thing sister

>>48087524
None of them are men themselves, only a bunch of brats that think they are adult since they do their own taxes

>>48089258
I love the “popular” demand meme. They’re carried by whales and mixed collabs. Otherwise their VOD views and ccv are garbage. They make sc and dono money? Amazing, but why are these “popularly demanded” homos only getting 3view ccvs with some not even reaching a 10k VOD view average? Popular demand? Lol.

>>48089330
Where's the concert?

>>48089277
What is Magnum exactly? I've seen some clips of him where he goes
>IDK I'm purple I guess lol

>>48087524
>How come these shitters haven't been able to organically cultivate and grow an audience?
They're male Vtubers, give up spamming this shit when you already know the answer faggot

>>48089434
What concert? Holofes ended months ago.
Is there some homoconcert? Not gonna watch it no matter how much you shill it.

>>48089526
A faggot who collabs with antiwhite twitch whores.
That's deep lore right here.

>>48087524
phase cucknet deflection thread

>>48089804
Nothing to deflect. A company of 3views graduated a literally who? if anyone actually cared then there’d be more threads. This thread is about underperforming faggots, ty.

>>48087524
People go to fleshtubers for the bro experience, people go to vtubers for the waifu experience. This is not hard.

>>48088550
If the existence of more successful people means that they are automatically unsuccessful then the entirety of Hololive is a failure

>>48087524
Watson and Mori killed any chance of their natural growth. They just had to insist on shilling and collabing the second the collab ban ended. Doing so forcefully mashed in already established Hololive fans instead of giving them time to reach out to new audiences. Suddenly they had short term numbers and they settled.

>>48087700
based annon who knows.
be a real bro and show your face and stream like a normal person not a faggot.

>>48090296
No way fag

>>48089985
Popular demand doko?

>>48087524
The point of a big corpo is that they don't have to even try to organically grow their audience.

>>48087524
>They were Cover's response to Luxiem's groundbreaking success
>They all had the shittiest models known to man and all the fujo pussy became a desert
>their YT shorts before debut were all fujo pandering further proving that Cover wanted Luxiem 2.0
>Cover intern saw that women were laughing their asses off rather than wetting themselves so he started the magging memes
>They decided to go for a brotuber experience since their fujo attracting plans were smashed to the ground as soon as women saw the models
>Blue boring
>Mag ok
>Axel dumb and boring
>Interesting one
>People expected unity, shilling for the starsJP since they had a respectable debut number for star standards and the a story about the underdogs uprising and making a name for themselves
>Omega thinks the best way to promote them is shoving them down the Hologirls's throats
>Mori goes retard
>Kronii goes retard ssblue
>this affects the girls income
>Tempus is doing pretty bad and their numbers keep lowering
>Omega, the faggot who banned the collabs with Nijisanji suddenly gives the ok for a collab with alban and altare
>Magni starts collabing with the asian twitch clique he always wanted to be a part of
>Altare later collabs with a open racist
>ffw
>IPO demands Yagoo to stop fucking around and stop investing on stars
>They get fucked with the merch
>Omega gets fired and they are looking for a new manager
>Cover is desperate for EN3 but the rising of Jewcorp and Phasecucknet shows indies don't need to apply for Hololive to get success thus they don't have to be bothered with permission autism and can do react content while earning enough money to live peacefully
>The so called golden ticket is now a silver ticket, soon to be a bronze ticket
This is all the result of not only tempus but management being retarded as fuck.

Don't balme the boys, blame management and their retardness thinking people want Nijisanji 2.0 in Hololive, now they completely screwed the market they were once dominating.
If you thought Hana macc was one of the biggest self sabotagging stories in the Vtubing world... it is highly outclassed by HoloEN management, the only thing that prevented them to fully die was NijiEN going even MORE retarded than HoloEN management and people getting tired of whoretubers on twitch, it's as if some deity don't want to let go of HoloEN or something.

>>48087524
because they live under the shadows of who they collabed with or what the fans associate them with
altroon got known as kobo's "brother"
mags and vesper latched on to EN's spiteful cocksuckers
axel has his sexpest fantasies with nodoka and/or zeta and gets vindicated by "muh himbo" card for the nth time

>>48087524
They're shit tier streamers
Simple as

>>48087700
What attracts women is not what attracts faggots

>>48090842
Anon, you can only be a sexpest if the girls don't want you, these girls want him.

>>48090553
Even fujos think the models are ugly?
That's news to me

>>48090959
Both his ships are dead and he couldn’t get any JP girls in rust to care about him.
The funny thing about the zeta ship dying is that his own fans killed it by attacking Zeta.

>>48091260
>Says this
>She still visits his chats regardless
Oh nonono don't look or your delusions will crumble!

>>48087524
This, especially Vox whose fanbase consists of 99% men who treat them like a friend/dad/aniki who does blowjob ASMR. I mean brojob it's not gay

>>48091336
Vox would be cool if he didn’t do faggot stream names like “post nut runescape.” He seems like he would’ve been a good brotuber in another world where he isn’t focusing on talking about his cock and balls for his bug audience.

>>48091843
I remember his very early days where he actually had kino content like Sekiro deathless speedrun attempts. Those days are long gone.
F

Vesper is fairly entertaining, my cat likes watching him.

>>48087700
lrn2 spell

>>48088550
EN3 would just split the current myth + council fanbase.
all of the money tempus farms is from the sisters. sisters would never give their money to an EN3.

>>48087524
Because, they aren't fleshtubers?

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>>48092338
Idc about splitting the fanbases of girls who are now know as a whole for having shit stream schedules. EN3 would’ve gotten people excited and tuning in and whaling. Wasting time only debuting the fags who can’t pass kiara on her worst days was retarded. It’s even more retarded to assume that EN3 would be worse because they might affect the existing girls numbers.

>>48087524
Being within the Holo confines for games, conversation topics, conduct etc is I'd say probably too limiting for a dude for them to really go out there and just be your bro. Vesper kinda was like that at first but it seems to have been eaten away at by management hating the shit out of him, stupid drama over perms - very typically Hololive-esque problems, ones that just wreck his perception and make him look like a little bitch.

This is to say nothing of their models and often doing gay baiting/ambiguous type stuff, they can't just be horndog 1000% straight dudes. Your bro is just your bro, not your ambiguous-maybe-lover. A brotuber attempt would be some action-shonen-protagonist looking dude who doesn't ever gaybait, do any hint of BFE, wants nothing at all to do with the girls and actively tells them to fuck off and just goes full autism playing exactly what he means to and not give a fuck about the meta etc. But I don't think you can really have all those pieces in one, and even if you did, it'd cause a bit of friction and/or resentment from the others that the guy is so different and doesn't want to do much of what the others do - if he got better numbers they'd be jealous of him, if he did worse he'd just be forgotten in a corner. Kind of a no-win scenario.

>>48087524
Because they are boring people. Even with the English buff they have no personality to go off of. Meanwhile people can actually acknowledge Roberu and Aru for what they have actually done. Holosharts earned their reputation as leeches and will never fix it

>>48087933
>Half speak with a lisp that makes them sound like they suck cock and the other half are just boring.

Bro you aren't supposed to point that out. you are supposed to say that its male discrimination or how the women are favored more by the company.

>>48092338
Because Chloe, Koyori and Iroha stole money from the other HoloJP girls, right? Stop with this cope, at this point you're just creating scenarios that justify pushing for 8 unfunny faggots in less than 6 months instead of 5 more girls.

>>48087524
There's something inherently gayer about watching male vtubers than, say, Northernlion. It looks like a fetish

>>48093873
Essentially yeah the fundamental question is "why do you specifically want to watch an anime guy vs a normal guy" if the anime dude doesn't have any amazing skills / autistic focus few others provide (speedrunners etc) or just inherent bro charm. The whole "because they're cute/sexy" thing works fine for girls, because anime girls aren't real but their cutesy voices/mannerisms are amusing to see being acted out by actual people.

Anime girls have a positive "cuter/sexier than reality" kind of appeal but anime guys, amongst straight men who like those kind of girls, don't have this. Rather the kinds of anime watchers who focus more on series with male protagonists tend to care about them being manly, being your bros, and always complain about how fucking weak/pussified/stupid your average anime MC is and praise the ones who aren't complete walk-ons like 8man, Guts etc.

Like to me if you asked "what would be the ideal brotuber role model" it'd be someone like Spike Spiegel from Bebop. That's such a fucking easy model to copy, a not-Spike who was just a straight up cool guy 2cool for those dorky hololive girls who doesn't do gaybait/BFE for fujos and just wants to be cool on stream. That seems very very far from what Holostars has ever aimed for.

Haven't been paying attention to these guys for a long time.

Redpill me on why there are 4 more than before? Wasn't it too soon to add more?

>>48093873
I would rather watch Sodapoppin flirt with Veibae while they play some co op game than give a Tempfaggot a view. I would rather go to Kick and watch Trainwreckz auto pull slots. I’d rather watch XQC sperg out and speedrun Minecraft. I’d rather watch Moonmoon play rimworld for the 16th time. I’d rather watch a Wendigoon video essay. And so on and so on. All of these (some of these are shit choices) are more entertaining than watching the fags at HomoEN. Their view counts reflect this.

>>48087524
>company promotes their product
>/vt/: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT DO THAT ITS NOT NATURAL

>>48094318
The galaxy brained geniuses didn’t want to debut a 6man gen, so they waited and picked up two more 3views and just had two debuts. It wasn’t worth it. Their views are shit. The only cope homosisters have is that whales give them money. Laughable.

The StarsEN are sidekicks not even the protagonists of their own channels. Who the fuck wants to watch the sidekick? I feel the same shit when it is a no vtuber streamer who is actually entertaining.. but the stream title has a little "featuring [some boring fuckwit friend nobody likes]"
Establish yourself.

>>48094491
I mean, 6 might be too much but 8 for sure is. And I don't think there was enough time for the other 4 to feel like a new gen.

>>48087524

Rent

Free

These guys are not very good, I gave them a chance but they just suck

>>48090386
Nice argument, but deflection isn't gonna work

>>48094591
Popular demand? Where is it? I checked their VOD views and it seems like they aren’t very popular? EN3 doko?

>>48087524
Another tempus thread that "complains" about them when the reality is that you're shilling them.
That makes what? The 17th in 3 days? Totally natural complaints amirite shills?
Like you shills don't even create new arguments to support your "hate", you regurgitate and hope for saviourfags to save them.
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>>48094867
Idc if the person posting is baiting or shilling. It’s an open invitation to shit on the fags and cover for not debuting EN3. Do you think you’ve figured out a grand marketing plan here? Retard

>>48088534
there's definitely some kind of corruption going on with his acceptance in and continued presence at cover.

>>48096058
>shit on the fags
By reposting the same shit? Nothing new at all?
>grand marketing plan
If all the magging memes that were meant to make fun of the fag could be a marketing shill strat, so can these fake seethe threads.
It's not a fucking coincidence that there have been 17 threads with NOTHING NEW to shit on them. Just the same regurgitated shit on a timeloop. It's shilling.

>>48096569
Well then it's a very bad shilling strategy when they're still performing like trash and are getting closer and close to their JP senpai's average, the whales are drying up and none of them will be able to reach 300k subs before their first anniversary.

>>48087524
I lost count how many times I have already seen this thread

>>48089277
>the belligerant dwarf, the human fighter, the arrogant elf, the scumbag thief
Could have been fun but that would require them having actual personalities and charisma and voiceacting chops. Seriously close your eyes and tell me they don't sound like the kind of boring weeb you'd overhear waiting in line during an anime convention.

>>48096752
Calling attention to the fags in hopes of saviourfags riding in to save the day is probably the plan.
They would simply die and fall into obscurity if not for all the "bait" threads being posted reminding everyone they exist daily.

>>48087524
Tempus is just an extremely weak branch. The talent is way below the Holostars JP standards or the Hololive EN standards. Axel isn't even top 30 in the company for singers. Hakka might be able to make some competition at least. None of the boys are any good at anything.
It's like when Holofive came out and spent more than a year as a failure batch before finding their footing. Only being male ENs makes the situation way more volatile because a ton of people hate on them for having dicks or defend them in order to own the unicorns or whatever.

I honestly think that they saw the Nijien males performing really well, but also saw how volatile they were and how much trouble they got into, so they just hired four guys that they thought were as inoffensive as possible and least likely to stir shit.

>>48096868
They are already doing it by themselves, and it's really hard to ignore the elephant in the room when EN3 is nowhere to be seen. Maybe when the new girls finally debut (and if that ever happens) the baits will stop, but until then people these threads will continue to exists whether they're made to bait saviourfags or it's just anons mad about Cover's retarded decision.

>>48096778
Because its some new stupid shill attempt.
>oh look at these totally failing homos,
>i went into their stream and they sounded totally gay sisters
>look at how they fail compare to luxiem, we can't let them lose to nijiniggers
>they're such fags, i checked them out and you should too
and other "seethe" posts that have been repeated hundreds of times, with nothing new to add on.

>>48087524
>join a idol company
>dont act like a idol
>dont get viewers that are expected in a idol company
No way

>>48093772
regardless if new girls will steal or not, the fact remains that cover has now access to EN sister's wallet. they couldn't just let niji have the monopoly on male chuubas, even though most of their female fans are CN/SEA.
it's just business, i do agree that an EN3 is long due, hell even council was pretty fucking late.

>>48097088
Nice try sister. Still not watching your homos. Still going to post about them.

>>48097657
>the same response from the shill sister that insists she's "shitting" on them when all she's doing is repeating the same lines and calling attention to her oshi

>>48087524
They should have done HoloBand instead yes, even with dudes that'd have been better. Now we just have shitty wannabe versions of infinitely better streamers.

>>48098152
>the same faggot who thinks these posts are a marketing scheme when the fags can’t even break 4view averages. When are the saviors coming in, retard? After this post? Is bvtm going to screen something here and get a dozen twitterfags to go and sub to a faggot they won’t watch? Nice try again sister.

>>48097657
thank you for making sure they get mindshare with /vt/ so kind <3

>>48087524
Bad models they look like gay fujobait.
The collabs with Mori, Ame, and Kronii pissed all the goodwill away. If they stuck to collabing with ID, Bae, and indies or even Nijis nobody would get mad at them. The collabs ruined any chance of them becoming EN StarsJP. The whores basically destroyed Tempus' potential for the petty reason of antagonizing the Holo fanbase.
Twittertroons and anticorns latched onto them because of the heckin EN collabs and they are parasites that do not watch anything.

By the way almost none of the people defending them watch them. If they really supported them Tempus wouldn't have such dogshit numbers.

>>48087524
It’s pretty obvious is it not? A vtuber model is generally meant to be attractive or cute, there are some exceptions but the people who don’t have intentionally cute/attractive models are usually really entertaining and funny. These guys are clearly meant to be drawn attractive (even if they failed, they are clearly meant to be attractive models) which scares off normie viewers because no straight male normie in their right mind would want to watch some dude pretend to be a cute anime boy… that’s cringy as hell. People watch male fleshtubers because they are funny and entertaining, not cause they’re attractive (for the most part), and since vtubers are trying to go for the attractive angle, it filters out 99 percent of people

>>48094867
I see this cope everywhere… it’s definitely from homobeggars who want us to stop shitting on their boys by saying
>muh you’re actually supporting them when you call them faggots
If that’s true then these homos are even more pathetic cause they’ve been promoted on this site non stop since debut and they still get terrible viewership

>>48096569
Cry about it sister, your faggots have terrible viewership and killed all the hype around hololive EN

>>48091174
Everyone thinks the models are ugly, including the boys themselves.

>>48097088
This is the most braindead cope i’ve ever seen… i knew women were stupid but this is some next level brain damage

>>48098698
You’re welcome. If the mindshare the fags get is from what’s posted here then it’s only a further detriment to their endeavors for success.

>>48091174
Axel is pretty ok but his rigging is fucking terrible so he always has his mouth gaping open, and instead of talking normally he always looks like he’s chomping at the air

Kill all male vtubers in real life

>>48099422
Alright buddy. It’s time to go.

>>48088550
>>48098858
Cope
>proof they're making insane amounts of money to justify them being a thing
>b-b-but numberoonies!!!!
Keep seething you fucking retards you ieep saying the same shit day after day how about you rope yourselves since the homos ain't leaving anytime soon and if you ever get your precious "EN3" they will just be homobeggars anyways.

>>48087524
A male vtuber competes directly with the fleshtuber audience unless they're aiming for Fujos and if they were strong enough to compete in that arena they'd blow up without a model. I would argue that having a male vtubing model is a debuff outside of Japan unless you were insanely ugly.
It would probably be better to stream without a model for men in most cases.

>>48099485
The charges won't stick and shitwood will kneel to the based wizard

>>48099422
t.jobless male

>>48087700
You got a point but holy ESL

>>48099705
I will never wageslave

>>48099485
>iphone filename

>>48098952
>People watch male fleshtubers because they are funny and entertaining, not cause they’re attractive
I watch Jerma985 for both, he is to me just like what marine is to japanese girls

>>48099623
There are still tons of popular streamers on twitch who do nocam streams, it's not a surprise these shitty models are a huge debuff

>>48099626
Hello Mr. Glowies, someone wants to be the fourth person arrested

>>48100040
>detective retard has it all figured out.

Sisters, instead of ruining this board with these faggots, please post your nudes.

>>48097401
The "sister's wallet" are a handful of whales that don't have infinite money. It's great and all that they now have another source of money, but that will never justify betting on only 8 faggots instead of trying to do both StarsEN and an EN3.

>get into a big team
>QB doesn't pass you the ball
>anons: "hurr durr shitter can't play"
it's literally that simple. The girls not acknowledging them is crippling their reach.

>>48103407
Their reach? Didn’t Ollie and A Chan do a debut stream watch along? Didn’t Mori, Kroni, and Ame do multiple collabs with them? What more reach do they need? Do they need to be mentioned every stream by every girl? Do they need constant raids and twitter reminders? They already got a whole year to themselves in EN, with 8 fag debuts. This “reach” shit is cope. The Holobox is aware of them, and a majority of them just do not care. Disgusting Homobeggar.

>>48103407
At most what they'll gain from the Hololive audience is a couple thousand of subs that won't watch streams not donate/buy memberships, much less buy merch or concert tickets. The now 3 fastest growers in StarsJP are doing exactly the opposite of that and going outside of the Holosphere, but you beggars don't even watch the JP branch so it's obvious that you don't know about that.

>>48103707
of all the names you mentioned only Kronii has a decent audience. Where's Gura? Fauna? It's baffling how they get away with snubbing their branchmates. Treating them like they're diseased is hurting their chances.

I know this has been said before but it's so obviously the reason Tempus is struggling.

>>48103944
Roberu has had plenty of help of HoloJP, including some of the biggest names, and the others are enjoying the Rust server buff. You're being disingenuous.

>>48104215
Good, they have the right to not pander to beggars and sisters.

>>48103707
>Didn’t Mori, Kroni, and Ame do multiple collabs with them?
not even once a month

>>48104215
>It's baffling how they get away with snubbing their branchmates
They're at best co-workers and that's about it. Their contracts don't force them to interact with the male branch, so why should they?
>Roberu has had plenty of help of HoloJP
And he only actually grew when he started hanging around Norio/Tamaki's friend circle. He got almost nothing from collabing with Fubuki and Matsuri back in the day and Kaoru was beating him in almost every metric until his termination. Guess what Kaoru was doing that Roberu ended up copying and put him as the most popular StarsJP member?

So when will the next Tempus shill thread be up?

>>48104481
>And he only actually grew when he started hanging around Norio/Tamaki's friend circle. He got almost nothing from collabing with Fubuki and Matsuri back in the day
revisionist-chama...

I mean imagine claiming Suisei mentioning you is not gonna help your numbers

how can we get them to graduate?

>>48104668
And that didn't help him as much as collabing with Norio's circle. You don't even watch him, you dumb beggar, stop pulling the "revisionism" card when you're the one doing it.

>>48104481
>his CCV didn't immediately jump up? it did nothing for him!
numberfags, everybody

>>48104759
And his numbers grew much faster when he collabed outside of the Holosphere. Beggars, everybody.

>>48103407
That's a terrible fucking analogy.
If you want it to be accurate you should say it's like a professional male sports teams having a few girls on the bench and being forced to sub them in. At best it'd funny/pathetic, at worst they'd lose the match.

There's a reason professional sports have a sex division, the quality is way lower and thus the audience is smaller.

>>48104842
are you implying men are intrinsically worse at streaming than women?

>>48104668
Suisei didn't do jack shit for him. Astel and Izuru singing with Suisei in front of 100k viewers did jack shit for them.
You know what did help Astel? Integrating himself with the FPS scene and making a name for himself.

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>>48104818
can you prove any of this, numbertard? because to me it sounds like you're scared they might collab with your oshi so you're pushing them in another direction

>>48104935
Streaming behind an anime avatar, yes

who outside the holobox is gonna collab with them if their own branchmates ignore them

>>48105041
>Tempus_trying_to_get_to_1_million_subs.webm
this shit's gold, post more

>>48105020
Just look at how hard Astel and Gamma are growing because of the Rust arc, or how much Gamma grew with the Vsai arc. Both of these had minimal to no interaction with anyone from Hololive. But, again, you don't watch stream and it's highly likely that all of your information about Holostars comes from oboretai so it's obvious that you don't know anything about it.

>numberfag enters the thread, dumps a bunch of unsubstantiated statements, leaves
no wonder /#/tards hate it when you ask them for source

>>48105554
Have this one, these girls are supposed to match professional Formula1 drivers in a couple of years according to the "experts"

>>48105652
I'm not about to take your word for it, ESL-kun

Even if they weren't vtubers, none of them are particularity amazing, and in fact they are pretty mediocre overall.
The Hololive bullshit with permissions and hitlerian managers is quadrupled in effect since man cannot act like man for long without being nailed down
Their models are terrible, both in quality and design.

Altare is a gigantic faggot.
Axel is boring and dumb.
Magni is a degenerate, and not in a good way.
Vesper turned out to be a scam artist.

Cover should hire some actual men for tempus3, but you just know that they are going to hire more twinks/shotas/homos.
Cover should also change the way they approach the male branch, since trying to go the same route as the girls clearly doesn't fucking work, but they keep trying it.

>>48087524
because when youre a man(male) you are judge by your character, morals, value, humour, overall personality and how much you can entertain people
if youre a female(female), xdd just have a cute model nothing else matters, legions and legions of suckers will throw themsleves at their feet
simple as

>>48106062
there's a legion of female 3/2/1views

>>48087524
>How come these shitters haven't been able to organically cultivate and grow an audience?
considering how civil the /mans/ thread is I think theyre doing alright

>>48106202
And a legion of dudes ten times the size of that with one tenth of the views
It's just how the world works

>>48106202
Name 1.

>>48106351
nah that's just internalized misogyny

>>48106353
only one? ok, Tenma

>Vesper
The one I watched the most for the literally me vibes, great zatsudan streams early on but he spammed too many of them too often and ended up having to resort to reading every superchat and letting them dictate the shit he talks about and the pacing of the entire stream. Good taste in video games but he's too autistic for his own good, whether it was refusing to play games he wasn't already good at early on, or deciding he wants to be a marathon streamer so now he's missing for half of every week and then he comes back with some bullshit 24 hr VOD where half of it is unwatchable because he's running on fumes and saying a sentence every 5 minutes. The suspension into Japan menhera arc didn't help either

>Magni
Funny and creative and shit but unfortunately not so much on the fly which is a major weakness for a streamer. His special prep time streams are cool and all but his solo bread and butter gaming/chatting streams were pretty rough, you could almost hear the gears grinding in his head as he tried to come up with ways to fill the dead air while playing some shit game even he didn't care about. Great collab partner with the relatively few people he had real chemistry with, which were basically Vesper and, tragically, Mori.

>Axel
Seems like a really cool dude but his content's just not good, I have no idea what type of content he's even going for outside of the music shit. He had his crazy VN reactor stint which kinda died when he went to Japan, his Apex content outside of the vsai tournament arc is kinda shit because he malds too easily, his zatsudans are not bad but he needs to find a second thing to talk about other than his high school dating life or whatever. Just kinda aimless as a content creator despite seeming cool enough as a dude in general.

>Altare
The weak link of tempus1 by far, boring, 0 appeal if you're not a woman or faggot who's into the soft spoken permanent ASMR voiced korean eboy shit. This nigger's hobbies are eating food and going on walks. His favorite pokemon is Pikachu. He has absolutely nothing going on character wise other than a mid 2000s forum poster bit where he says something """weird""" and then goes "wait did you hear that?? ahah no don't worry I didn't say anything ahah I swear I'm not an evil psychopath ahah" and he tries to pull this off 100% unironically. 0 chemistry with any of his genmates. The only time you'll hear anyone bring him up is in the context of gay shipping or as bait.

I had already kinda tuned out by the time the second half of tempus debuted but
>Bettel
Obviously similar to Magni, general internet funny guy appeal. Pretty good and definitely the standout of the second half but ultimately not good enough to make up for being a part of such a weak group

>Hakka
The Axel of tempus2 in the sense that he seems like an alright guy and his music stuff is cool but his content's just completely aimless and unremarkable.

>Flayon
Tragically obnoxious with his bad anime dub voice actor shtick, actually has the highest power level in tempus when it comes to weeab shit but his streams are genuinely impossible to sit through if you don't have the world's highest cringe tolerance

>Shinri
Shitty forced deep voice, shitty le wholesome chungus comfy shtick, the most shameless pandering in the whole branch. Probably great for women with daddy issues or whatever but not for me.

>>48106486
I kneel, homofags will ignore this but it's all true

>>48105750
2 of them didnt crashed ,is something

>>48106486
This is 100% correct.

>>48087524
Rent fucking free

>>48106486
>you could almost hear the gears grinding in his head as he tried to come up with ways to fill the dead air while playing some shit game even he didn't care about
This is the true nail in the coffin for these dudes, the girls can wing it by being cutesy or the chat bails them out.

>>48107349
I don't even think it's a gender double standard at work here. I feel like their female counter parts are legitimately just better vtubers when removed from parasocial fascinations. 3/8 guys can sing, generously. Nearly the entirety of Tempus is just moderately successful indie vtubers with no other background as talents compared to like, half of holoen which has some kind of performance industry experience. With the exception of Flayon somehow, basically all the guys just have extremely average mainstream tastes too. The girls in the branch somehow boast a way higher power level on average and talk about their niche interests on stream.

If we compare them to something like Luxiem, the Luxiem boys are fucking disgusting but they tend to produce way more tangible content than the Tempus boys who are just kind of there.

>>48107749
>With the exception of Flayon somehow, basically all the guys just have extremely average mainstream tastes too.
Vesper too, that was a big part of his early success. And the girls are fucking awful in that department as well, I still remember those crunchyroll interviews where they had to give a list of their top 10 anime and they were mostly random fotm anime from recent seasons and Gura couldn't be bothered coming up with a list so she was the only one without an article.

>>48107968
I don't know why people think Vesper's tastes are unique. Everything he likes is mainstream as hell.

>>48107749
That does bring up an interesting paradox for male vtubers:

Do people want them to be high powerlevel nerds who can talk anime/videogames/cartoons/movies/japan/hentai/trading-card-games/tabletop-rpgs with the best of them?
Or would people like them better if they were oddball normies using an anime avatar for the fish out of water experience?

>>48105681
Then give me the proof that the girls helping the Stars will make them grow. If you're so certain about it then there should be examples, right? It's not like Aruran is spamming Hololive collabs and not seeing an iota of growth for his channel.

>>48105779
It's a waste of time to reason with an oboretai fanboy so you do you.

>>48088496
Of course they have an audience. OP is an assmad schizo.

>>48087524
They're accessories to the holoEN girls that collab with them. Well, two of them specifically are accessories, the others are accessories temporarily or just do their own thing. The problem is also that they have lame models. A good male vtuber design is something like Aruran's old model, which he then changed for a generic bitch-boy one for whatever weird reason, but his original was top tier and very simple. This "guild" shit they got going on ain't it and they look terrible. Vesper looks kinda cool but his voice is not a match at all for the model and neither are all the others IMO. Not to mention they're just normal male streamers that don't play up their "character" at all, which doesn't help. Why watch vtubers when you can fuck off and watch an actual normal guy on twitch stream whatever the fuck he wants and be good at games? holostars in general seems to be for a very specific audience, I assume it's supposed to be for women.

>>48087524
Male vtubers are nearly pointless.
We have known this already for years, it has been discussed thoroughly, before the EN Holostars debuted it was discussed over and over.
There is almost no benefit in a male vtuber.
A normal vtuber gives up her real body to look like an anime character, to play along a kayfabe.
That's inherently fake and cringe and she gives up a lot of range and motion to become a PNG.
But that is offset by the fact that anime girls are cute. As simple as that.
With a male vtuber you see the same sacrifices. They become cringe, fake, lose the full motion and expressions of a real self, they are now restricted to do stuff with a hidden face if they do face cam content and have to wear gloves.
They sacrifice all that just to become a png.
And what does that give them in return?
Nothing. There's nothing appealing about a gay anime boy avatar. It's a nuisance.
The only exception to this is BFE content or FUJO pandering content. In those cases things work exactly the same as with normal vtubers. The fangirls don't want a real guy, they want an anime boy experience.
But most guys would rather watch a toothless balding gremlin man over an anime boy.
And there are more guys watching and girls still enjoy anime girls.
As simple as that.

>>48108449
And these dudes are?

>>48108052
So who has unique tastes in your opinion?

>>48109443
The Delray Misfits, a now defunct channel that was pretty big in the fitness side of the internet about 10 years ago or so.

It had no gimmicks, the only "theme" it had was guys who went to the same gym in some shithole town in Florida, it got carried purely by their charisma and chemistry. And the fact half of them were weirdos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zouEzfHrGCA&ab_channel=Unholyspirit

>>48110071
IT SHIT IT PISS

>>48087524
Council debuted with a higher audience then they do after what, a year? I'd call that pretty fucking underperforming. Considering the counsel failure. Male vtubers is a thing because of Twitter tranny tourism and bugfags from China. Nothing more or less. And no matter what you say, Coco ruined the chink audience for Hololive in general. They're going to flop around but none of them will ever reach Luxiem levels. HoloEN in general is dead in the water. Stagnation to the extreme. And the femoids that call the shots will run it into the ground just to do it.

>Axel is japanese (born in australia but has citizenship)
>gets NIHONGO JOUZU'D by japanese people
>gets YOUR ACCENT IS RETARDED by english speakers
It's over.

>>48110071
>roidgut

>>48109818
I'm assuming he means that being an /out/fag like that anon who lives in a tent in the woods and makes youtube videos calling /out/ a bunch of pussies isn't quite the same as liking anime.

I would also say that Mori, Fauna and Vesper liking DnD isn't quite so niche either since DnD has specifically pursued the "millennial/zoomer mainstream", though Vesper was probably into it before it became mainstreamed among the increasingly pathetic population of people born in the 1990s and 2000s.

>>48112105
I have no idea what this post is supposed to mean

>>48112337
Or like that guy on /biz/ who is a 49 year old divorced man and makes videos in his condo saying everyone on /biz/ is retarded and only he has the truth to get rich (but he's not rich yet).

>>48106486
I only watch Magni and Bettel but I'm sad to say you're on point for just about everyone. I can't watch anyone else for these reasons listed here and I've been watching purple funny duo even less lately. I feel like those two did the off-collab way too early and killed their momentum. Now I'm just hoping they play some cool games and not some generic competitive gamer shit like they keep going back to.

Also whatever beef Altare and Vesper have with each other soured all of Tempus IMO. I couldn't stand either of them on their own and after that I just liked them even less.

>>48088550
How come EN1 and 2 don't make more?

none of them play Hoi4

>>48087524
I have yet to have a clip roll across my feed to convince me they're not gay and/or that their content is worth watching.
Last one was vesper reacting to magmo. It was okay.

>>48112713
>Also whatever beef Altare and Vesper have with each other soured all of Tempus IMO
I agree, one of the good things tempiss had going on early on was their strong unity which combined with their debut hype led to frequent and generally pretty good collabs. Vesper's whole menhera arc was pretty much the end of that and that was a big blow to their momentum.

>>48106486
>Altare
Seriously what the hell is up with that permanently soft breathy voice? It's so off-putting.

>>48111815
It took Luxiem to start losing steam to give Tempus a chance to compete with them, but even so there's literally no chance that their first outfit reveals will be anywhere close to Luxiem's. Cover took way too long to enter this market and only got scraps that, while better than they had with StarsJP, it's not even close to what they could've gotten with an EN3. It was an insane decision to give Tempus the premium treatment and I really hope they reconsidered their approach after 3/4ths of Tempus 2 ended up being dead on arrival.

>>48090296
You sound like the kind of faggots that would harrass jim because he wouldn't play into your faggot games. "Just show your face big guy! You can't shit on trannies and diaper furs and not show your face you coward, it's not like we want to ruin your life or anything!"

>>48091843
Like this anon says >>48091888
Early vox was based as fuck. He filtered fujos and chinks hard and want full on fromsoft and smash autism. He couldn't resist the money though.

>>48093873
>>48094258
Why? I don't get why this shit filters you faggots so hard. Why are you so insecure that some ikeman vampire filters you when it's literally just an older dude playing super niche pc games. Why would I watch a boring ass fleshstreamer asmongold fuck with zero personality when I can watch a degenerate pretend to be an anime boy while barely containing his raging lust for bat tits the rouge or amy rose while sperging out about sonic shit? Same reason why I like watching oney's plays. Autistic spergs are funny.

>>48096915
They're funnier than any of the holoEN girls and are better at (single player) games. That's all they fucking need. Have way more fun watching them than I've had watching the girls bumbling around in games while using "uwu I'm cyoote and gib me money" as a crutch. Except Mori, she's retarded enough to be funny also.

>>48110071
>that tranny story at the end
lel but I can't imagine any of the homos hanging out with these kinds of dudes without curling up into a ball and whimpering about toxic masculinity or whatever, not even Vesper.
That's another problem with them, they don't come across as men, they come across as awkward teenagers who just happen to be 30 years old.

>>48112987
Yeah they are alot better streamers than the girls, thats why they are "the popular demand"

>>48094681
>Keeps deflecting
I accept your concession

>>48113686
Poor girl can't accept the fact lmao

what cover did with the girls
>appeal to weebs and gachikois
what cover should have done with the boys
>appeal to yumes and fujos
what cover did instead
>force males to an audience of weebs and gachikois who don't care about males
>confused why trying to force males into the same audience doesn't work out

>>48113850
Best post so far, well put.

>>48112105
must be a bot because you didnt answer the question at all kek

>>48115155
Do you even know what a bot is or are you just two parts retarded and autistic? I don't have to answer your questions and I'm not an AI plotting to have indians break into your house, beat you and steal your computer. To even suggest that AIs are paying Indians 5 cents a task to solve captchas that AI can't solve themselves is ludicrous.

this thread is prime "I don't watch streams" /vt/ really is a shithole, what kind of board talks about vtubers but never actually watch them that they schizopost

>>48113850
>>48113920
What cover should have done with the girls
>debuted gen 2 earlier in 2021 to ride that massive covid wave
What cover should have done with the boys
>debuted them in 2021 when homobeggars were at all time highs, rather than allowing Luxiem to steal the thunder
Ironically Nijisanji's willingness to accelerate and shit out males to rugpull the holo-lite audience they previously cultivated is why they were so popular. If Vesper Noir had debuted in october 2021 he'd have been pulling 12,000 southeast asian women instead of Cucks Kuma. Cover quite literally had the world in their hand and threw it away and are now trying to figure out why being an antiquated boomer-run company with a 'hip' gen x figurehead like ZUN isn't working out for them.

>>48115463
Most of /vt/ is either underage filipino-american kids in los angeles who think that they're 'basically japanese' because they have no real heritage or underage filipino kids in manila schizoposting because they aren't fluent in english. That's why the board is always so bad, it's filipinos all the way down. And when it's not filipinos, it's indonesians getting mad at filipinos.

>>48115463
The main reason this board is top 3 in 4chan is Hololive Global, do you EVER see them talking about the guys?
Outside of snide comments regarding their collabs with Kronii, Mori or Ame?

>>48115690
>>>/sp/131193515

Notice all the thirdworlders and the one schizo is an indo

who the fuck cares? watch VCR Rust you nerds

>>48106486
i was going to write this myself, but you nailed every point I was going to make. The only people worth watching are Vesper and Bettel, and that's just barely. Vesper and Magni do pretty good in collabs, but otherwise they're not nearly seiso enough to have the same audience as the rest of hololive. I have hope for vesper since he seems like he's been trying to cut down on the swearing and the yabs lately, but it's questionable on whether or not he can pull it off. Everyone else will probably be dead in the water in a year or two, desu.

>>48115937
embarrassing showing for hololive fans

>>48115937
>that french guy into marine
based

>>48088496
That total is about close to the number of members that voted in Fauna's poll some time ago. Sure, it's hard to gauge actual members since not everyone likes a member post, comments or votes in a poll but polls are a better measure of members they likely have above a 50% threshold as long as the poll is interesting and not something like a boring question.

>>48120579
So one Council "failure" is just as big as 8 "successful" Tempus members? Damn, they sure are popular.

>>48110071
WHOOOOOOO CAAAAAARES
never expected to see a felloe pisstrooper in /vt/ of all places

>>48087524
>you need to have 5k ccv of you're a failure

>>48106486
>he hate watches male vtubers just so he can shit on them in detail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1Yt0xJKDY8

>>48106486
imagine watching homos so much you can write a wall of text about them, kill yourself faggot

>>48125460
>>48125537
you should be happy somebody actually watched your homofags

>>48087524
>Every male fleshtuber out there, several of whom have audiences that mog Pekora and Gura, have loyal fanbases of 99% men
what a fucking dumb post
most delusional shit i read today
touch grass fag

>>48125707
Whatever m8. Keep hate watching and have to hate donations ready to really send the message. Also be sure hate buy their merch so you have something burn or break.

>>48126171
why are you seething so much over somebody who watched the homos and actually made real criticism?

>>48126409
Hey, I'm happy that you're supporting the boys in your own way. Also, have you hate bought their voice packs. I would love to hear your critical reviews of them.

>>48126649
why do you even think I am the anon that wrote all that

Homobump

>>48087524
Never watched this. Are there archives?
Apparently some or all of them where at Boston but cb audio files where gone by the time I found them, only listened to kobo and Kiara that was still up

>>48094867
Hard cope homobeggar, yes a lot of people will thrash them at any opportunities, but we all get frustrated by this shit that is tempiss and need to regulary let it go, and no you can't fucking ignore them when their beggar or themselves are larping like leeches everywhere they can.

>>48087524
>Every
You realize theres thousand of 0views male nobodies, right? and even if they get a small audience it doesnt mean theyll get donations, Meanwhile female flesh streamers of the same size make bank out just a couple hundred of viewers.

>>48112899
>Why? I don't get why this shit filters you faggots so hard.
Think for a moment that i never, and still dont, watch female streamers despite really being into vtubers. Well its the opposite for male vtubers.