/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Phasecucks will defend this

>>48085434
And the whole thing is that the fact that it's a Phase Invader who is the first one who exits that company (and gets their content deleted) has basically killed off anyone wanting to join Invaders the next time they are looking for auditions.

>>48085359
>>48085434
>>48085579
Not a phasecuck myself but she should’ve negotiated her contract better although it would be nice if they included a buyback clause

>>48085434
Rightly so.

>>48085434
Nijifags will defend lying, scamming, evil whores.

>>48085783
Holy shit, Nijisanji lives rent free in phasecucks' heads. Next thing you're going to scream is "HOLOLIVE HOLOLIVE BAD RREEEE"
sad

>man scoops up shizo women
>people love them for being schizo
>he fires them because they are schizo
>corpcucks blame them for being schizo
Just give me the cat back fish

>>48085714
>Rightly so
Nobody knows what she actually did though

jwu qrd?

If they bought the model and the rights from the talent, then it's alright.

>>48085359
Based. That's what you get for fucking with the Chinese.

>>48086067
It's a week old topic, if you don't know, shut the fuck up.

More like Shitshow Connect lemao

>>48086075
Of course it's technically fine, but it sure doesn't make the whole Phase Invaders thing look like a very attractive prospect

>>48085359
Never, ever give rights to your own character if you join a corpo. If you leave it will be erased.
This is reasonable for the company to have leverage over the talents to not get taken advantage, but it also massively devalues the worth of a corpo.

Imagine working in the IT sector and when you leave a job they scrub your curriculum and you're left as a nobody kek. Absolute waste of time.

>>48086135
lmao pussy tell me what your whore oshi did right now

>>48085359
i remember when phasenogs said kson should have joined phase invaders instead of vshojo lmao

>>48086341
Personally I think Past Life "hiding and shaming" / being NDA'd needs to end.
Vtubers should be like any other entertainment or sports job. Let the companies fight to grab them. Let their past achievements be in the open.
Of course, roomates should still be kept hidden so as to avoid doxxing and schizos.

>>48086521
Would have been better than vshitshow any day.

>>48085359
Did he answer why he deleted all her shit that was before phase too? I got banned on the discord when he had the meltdown and started banning everyone

>>48086585
Unironically no.
Vshojo's problem is their specific talents, but the company, as a company, is way superior. They don't have rights over their talents.

>>48086585
yeah she should have given them her $100k worth of models/assets and 1 mil subs youtube account in exchange for a manager (which she already had)

>>48086809
Yet in terms of companies, PC does not give a fuck about bending over to the CCP and has talent originally from Taiwan (Uruka).

>>48085897
Yea we do, she sent dramaboy DMs with her bitch manager.

>>48086713
If they refuse to tard wrangle their talent, they can't be taken seriously. Sadly they are now the company without any graduations or terminations because they refuse to fire Froot or Veibae.

To think that hololive of all companies has the most channels of previous employees still fully there.

>>48085359
it would've been more understandable if they took her 2nd model which was paid for by the company and required her to delete all content while IN phase. Now I feel bad for spider since you fags spammed her to high heaven to join phase

>>48087380
I hate froot as any reasonable person, but I'm ok with low talent wrangling. It puts the responsibility on the contractor (vtuber).
It's not vshojo's fault if retards keep watching her.

>>48087615
She doesn't want to join any company because it would restrict the games she could play plus she wants to play ROM hacks and emulators.

But there are many other people who are being seen as poach targets for Phase Connect.

>>48087380
>veibei talked about poop once pls fire her gunrun

>>48087701
I can count how many times veibae streamed this year on my hands and I'm missing a pinkie

>>48087380
>they refuse to fire talents I personally dislike

seethe more phasecuck

>>48087773
Froot has enough of a rap sheet for any company to fire her. Veibae also did stuff that would get her fired anywhere else. But Phase already has their own Veibae.

>>48086526
Might as well watch fleshstreamers at that point

>>48086526
aside from PL posting being a doxxnigger slippery slope tactic, doing things your way leads to shitshows like cyberlive. Companies need to have the better end of the deal to effectively wrangle the absolute failure your average vtuber is

>>48087943
You do realize that you are talking about a company that has Pippa in it right? Pippa who doxxed some random 2view? And is actively engaging in the kiwifarms community where doxposting is done regularly? That is not even mentioning Lumis head mod who is a doxfag himself

>>48087943
I hate doxxniggers but there has to be a more balanced solution for both companies and talents than turning into a career hostage.

>>48087615
>Now I feel bad for spider since you fags spammed her to high heaven to join phase
I feel bad for her but the way that panned for them out was funny
>Tsunderia dies
>Phasefags immediately start screaming at the talents to join Phase
>Amiya tells them to fuck off (politely)
>Phasefags turn on her instantly and start acting like they never wanted her in the first place
Hilariously pathetic behaviour

>>48088239
The whole thing about Tsunderia is nobody knew that the owner slapped a six month ban from joining another company in order for them to keep their models. So even if some wanted to join Phase (good chance Lisa and Purin may), they were not able to until later in the year.

But with the Yuri thing...will they even want to now?

>>48088239
The entire vtubing sphere told them to fuck off. It was pretty funny. They dont even dare to poachbeg anymore

>>48088239
It's funny because other girls straight up told them to kill themselves and they left the girls like scared dogs with their tails in-between their legs.

>>48088373
>But with the Yuri thing...will they even want to now?
If the terms include signing over all your assets then there's absolutely no way in hell Purin or Lisa will want to join even after the non-compete or whatever clause is in place expires. It's a fucking terrible deal.

>>48087754
Still more streams than Gura

>>48085434
The legal issues of keeping a channel for a hololive talent that graduates are easier for Cover. When a corporation has 400 employees including a legal department the benefit vs cost ratio is different than a small company of a few employees.

>>48086526
>Let their past achievements be in the open.
The major vtuber corporations will never do that since that leverage is what keeps talents from going indie.

>>48085359
Based.
Fuck entitled zoomer whores, literally even.

Phase has a buyback clause, however they add interest to it due to the vtuber IP gaining value from having been in PC. How much that is, I don't know, but it was perhaps too much for Yuri to decide to pay it. I imagine the fact PC paid for the the new model + rigging inflated that cost massively.

>>48088792
And yet other companies want to do the same now.

>>48089537
>The major vtuber corporations will never do that since that leverage is what keeps talents from going indie.
At that level of views it doesn't matter, people easily find them and spread the word. See Michael Cat, Kson.
And internally they also know, after all Luna was able to change between big corpos.

>>48089752
>kson
>mike
they are irrelevant has-been now, sure they can still make a living but nowhere near the exposure they had before. If you are an attentionwhore it's a pretty bad hit to take.

>>48089741
>Now
Other small corpos were doing this long before Phase Invaders or even Phase Connect itself was a thing (Tsunderia in particular is notable, as they were the first EN small corpo and were doing this from the very beginning, and ended up doing it four separate times overall).
The difference is that Phase Connect, as far as I know, is the only company that has these pre-established vtubers hand everything over to the company upon signing up, which isn't an attractive prospect at all if the competition doesn't do the same.

>>48090382
that's a "not hololive anymore" effect, rather than a "non-visibility" effect.

>>48089741
Speaking of that one particular case, I always found it interesting how she changed her name when joining the company. I wonder if they did that to clearly differentiate what parts of the character she owns herself and which ones belong to the company.

>>48088102
>2view

>>48090920
Riro Ron is a different character, but they explicitly said it was ky0resu.

>>48089752
But JP in general treats roommate info more as a open secret than some sort of unspeakable shit, you don't talk about it because it doesn't matter in their current career. The idea of wanting to be famous and hiding your identity is an oxymoron, people will dig up your past if you had any shred of talent while producing content, any minor slip will enable this.

>>48091039
that doesn't dox anyone, you have to already know for it to mean anything.

Who would have guessed that hiring treacherous whores was a bad idea.

>>48092345

>>48092573
>>48091039
Don't pretend, anon. If you actually thought it was that bad you wouldn't have posted it.

>>48085681
I wouldn't be surprised if they did include one.

And this schizo didn't want to pay.

>>48092069
Doesn't mean that RM doxx should be encouraged, and JP is the place where roomate info is most dangerous.
See Mito's stalker for example.

>>48092937
or even worse, Lulu

>>48091039
That's not a doxx, it's a joke. And a rather based one, though I'd prefer not to get reminded of... that.

reminder to laugh at bvtm for being a phase shill account

>>48092937
Of course, I said that more implying that it's not feasible to hide your identity so precautions like any celebrity should be taken, but this slso shouldn't mean the talents can't list their feats using their vtuber identities as their own in a professional context.

>>48085359
Steal a girl's character and IP (PC)
vs
Doxx your contract breaching talents(WACTOR)
Who's blacker?

>>48093824
I genuinely don't understand how WACTOR still exists at this point

>>48087754
36 according to Twitch tracker. She's been on a break basically all of April due to a combination of moving to another country + saving her return to streaming for a redebut that should be "soon"

>>48087849
Please enlighten us as to these rap sheets. Keep it to actually bad things that happened during her time as a streamer and try to keep away from things you personally disagree with that others don't mind.

>>48093824
I dislike Phase Connect but the answer is WACTOR and it's not even close. They're straight up supervillain levels of evil with the shit they've done to pretty much all of their talents. People who already signed up and hadn't debuted yet walked out because they were afraid of the company.

>>48093824
WACTOR, it isn't even close.

>>48093824
Being better than Wactor is such a low bar to clear it's not even funny.
I don't think that Phase is a black company, but their contracts are scummy and no girl with any common sense should take the Invader "deal".

>>48085359
Scummy. But it's also Yuri's fault for listening to Lumi and signing a shitty contract. She was in Cyberlive she should have known better.

>>48086067
Chuuba said no to sex in exchange for contract renewal and was fired, all the girls who did say yes to sex in exchange for contract renewal are on full deflection mode.

>>48097773
It's the other way around. Yuri mentioned that she was a fan of Phase beforehand and roped in Lumi to sign in with them.
Also, you can negotiate your contract for for invaders and the clause with them handing over their entire character doesn't seem to be mandatory as implied from Lumi's stream yesterday.

>>48103662
>the clause with them handing over their entire character doesn't seem to be mandatory
Why would anybody ever go ahead with it if they had the choice not to?

>>48103756
Extra cash now?

>>48085434
>seek to join a corpo
>"in order to move forward as a brand we need the rights to your character. In return we will fully fund a new model out of our pockets for you"
>you agree to the terms
>when you're fired the corpo keeps the character that you voluntarily signed away

>>48104430
So it's just bait for stupid people basically

>>48091039
You know exactly who that post is talking about, dont pretend to be retarded

>>48104692
First corpo to offer a 12% APR corvette.

>>48087380
>Retarded catalog fag STILL doesn't understand that Vshojo is just a loosely affiliated group of people
Firing Froot or Vei would do precisely fuck all. They'd just continue streaming as normal.

>>48105023
And an action-packed trip to Detroit

>>48103756
Perhaps the alternative would have been something like having to pay a big penalty fee for breaking contract?
There obviously needs to be a clause that prevents the talents from just up and leaving anytime they want after they've abused corpo benefits.

>>48085579
>join Invaders the next time
They already had people. Don't know if anything was signed yet but I believe 3 were teased by some con on the twitter and it's believed to be the invaders and not the next gen. Would be very interesting if that number goes down.
>>48086075
legal =/= alright.
>>48086526
Companies will be as evil as you let them. Adding vtubers to the mix who can't leave without losing everything and suddenly everybody believes them that daddy fishman is a good guy.
>>48087380
I'll believe their talent 1000% more then anybody else about their own company being good or bad then someone who'll have their entire persona unpersoned.
>>48086681
>Did he answer why he deleted all her shit that was before phase too?
pic related
no
>>48097773
>Yuri's fault for listening to Lumi
Lumi said if she would've remained close with Yuri maybe things would've ended differently so I don't think that's the case.

>>48109382
>3 were teased by some con on the twitter and it's believed to be the invaders and not the next gen
I'm not sure why people think they're not next gen, considering they're not being called Invaders and nobody seems to have recognised any of the model silhouettes (unless they all got new ones when they joined or something)

If any other company had fired her we'd have a long list of war crimes, the corpo bootlickers would be dragging her through the mud and her entire life and career would become hell, she'd get doxed and harassed and the company's fans would cheer.
What happened to her is a shame and I wish Sakana did not go this far. This is a good cautionary tale for any would be invader, and this applies to any company taking in vtubers with their existing character, also idol.
If you get a new character and get fired, you can go back to your old indie character.
But if your existing indie character joins a company you better make damn sure there's a clause in the contract that says you get to keep it in case you are fired otherwise you will leave with nothing.

>>48085359
it's funny to me that phasefags have been dunking on talent freedom this whole time then the fishman goes and does this

>>48109712
Tenma confirmed invaders.
Invaders come first before gen 3.
One of the silhouettes is most likely a moon jelly.
They will probably drop them in May, and gen 3 during the summer

So did phase keep the character because of the new model?
That's what I'm understand, the old one was hers till Phase paid for the new model.

>>48109712
>>48109943
>not sure why people think they're not next gen
tenma and Lumi
One of quotes was wawawawawawwa which is connected to moon jelly. More likely to be a hint than a PL reference.
>>48109804
stop being a corpo/phase bootlicker. You have none of the details because none were provided yet somehow you're comparing it to a another scenario you made up in your head to make pahse look good.

>>48110063
Tourists shouldn't post without spending a while here first.
There were two small corpos that recently fired some talents. One was called Production Kawaii and the other is Nijisanji.
Both cases went as I said, extremely backlash from fans and in the Nijisanji case it reached the actual doxing and harassment too.
Google Zaion's termination notice and read the replies.
Phase Connect and its fans and its members handled this termination with the most sympathy and support out of all recent terminations.

>>48109845
what's up with vshojofags and being totally retarded

>>48110263
I know, was Yuri working for them? Were their vtubers fired for the same reason as Yuri was? No? Made up in your head.

>>48110263
Zaion deserved it tho.

>>48110370
Yes they were fired for the same reason. They broke the company's rules and violated their contracts.

>>48110462
>same reason.
>They broke the company's rules and violated their contracts.
Faggot.

>>48110452
She only deserved it because she wasn't working hard enough to be part of the social cliques and she forgot she was working under the rainbow company so she had to virtue signal harder if she wanted to get away with edgy shit, and she wasn't making them enough money.
But she wouldn't have been fired in any other company.

>>48109804
>If any other company had fired her we'd have a long list of war crimes, the corpo bootlickers would be dragging her through the mud
This is still happening though, the only difference is that the list of war crimes is being made up by fans of the company and spread around as the truth instead of coming from the company itself.

>>48110584
and it would be so much worse if the reasons were disclosed. I can tell you don't watch phase connect because you don't know the type of shit their talents get away with. It has to be something pretty out there for this termination, and the company chose to deal with in the most calm manner possible.

>>48085434
I do not.

>>48110584
It's less of a list of warcrimes and more of a list of potential leads. People want to know what happened, naturally.
And there's nowhere remotely the level of toxicity towards Yuri or her fans.
The Kawaii general was unbearable after Gen 3 left, an actual civil war there. And Nijisanji's reaction barely needs to be brought up anymore at this point, actual unironic doxxing and threats, some even suggesting the wanted to swat her.
Honestly I prefer it this way, I'd rather companies leave it vague so people aren't sure exactly what happened so they are busy trying to figure it out, it's better than making it public and clear which can let fans go straight into attacking the vtuber.

>>48092345
No need to dirty your hands, just trow a few hints, let loyal cuckies spam video and dilate like true tranny.

>>48110793
>it would be so much worse if the reasons were disclosed
doesn't know the reason
>shit their talents get away with
>they don't care bout twitter fags so the management is in the right
kys.

>>48111175
and you know so much? you are claiming shit without a single shred of proof yet you are trying to put it on other people. fucking grow a brain and maybe work a job

>>48110580
Lmao
If you're spinning the greatest rrat hits CD.
Zaion was so fucking stupid she was suspended within a week of debuting, then kept fucking up over and over and over, she 100% would have been fired anywhere else, but you're just some retard that's never held a job so idk why I'm talking to you.

She had the best model in her wave to and pissed it all way, she deserved every single bit of shit thrown her way post graduation, she wasted people's time, her waves time, company resources and that fucking top tier model which is the biggest sin here, probably EN's best rigged model, wasted on a piece of shit like her, now its tossed into oblivion, never to be seen or used again.

>>48111285
So right sister!
Fuck Zaion that evil bitch.
She deserves to get fucked, you are not bad, Nijisanji isn't bad. It's 100% justified.

>>48111175
>>48111285
>>48110584
case in point, look how much worse it can be

>>48111283
>you are claiming shit
I'm not >>48110793 , dumbass.

>>48087380
they can't fire anyone you retard, vshoujo is hardly a corpo it's more like an union, they don't own the rights to the characters nor they decide the direction of the content, they just deal with sponsors and marketing shit, if you haven't noticed they all act like indies and rarely do group shit and they don't fire the fleshtuber that never streams with her avatar. For the same reason the "audition" they held was a fucking joke because they had already decided who of their orbiters / friends was already in and was more of a marketing campaign that backfired.

>>48111933
They couldn't fire anyone, as they are not employees.
But they could kick them out of the union.

>>48110793
>so much worse if the reasons were disclosed
they really don't have to. All they have been saying is "we are not going to say, because it was really bad". Tell me anon, when you make such a condemning implication, and your audience is Phase Connect, are you really expecting fans to give a soft napkin stroke across Yuri's face?
>I can tell you don't watch phase connect because
no true scotsman fallacy
>you don't know the type of shit their talents get away with
they get away with quite a lot, until they don't. It sure is easy to make a list of reasons to remove someone when they seemingly get away with everything.
>the company chose to deal with in the most calm manner possible
if you mean throwing her under the bus and leaving the rest to the oh-so-loyal fans to make up their own rrats on why she is bad, then you are right

>>48112421
>if you mean throwing her under the bus and leaving the rest to the oh-so-loyal fans to make up their own rrats on why she is bad, then you are right

lmao, trying to make it seem like people are actually hating on her

lots of phasecucks around here today

This might be my rrat completely but hear me out.
I've heard a lot of the girls say the are sad because of the situation.
But I didn't hear even one of them say they're sad she's leaving.

And there's a big difference between saying one or the other. Just my 2 cents.

>>48113034
People have been shitting all over her

>>48085359
>Oh yeah and your model? It's ours now. Why? Just because we can.

>>48109382
what a sad and unproffesional response, can't hide his anger of this whole situation which only makes it funnier seeing him lose it

>>48114682
Yeah it's all just catalog retards. You give them a treat and they dance like monkeys.
You won't see the actual community doing it on their general, or on twitter, or anywhere else.

I get why her simps are sperging out but I have to wonder how they'll react in 4 days when she says in her rope self video the deletion of the channel is her own decision.

Because I'm getting the feeling she's having a ... shall I say it? A woman moment.

>>48091039
That wasn't funny. It basically looked very rapey. Made me drop Pippa.

>>48115095
We found the chicken.

>>48115036
>You won't see the actual community doing it on their general
But I have been seeing it there, and it's obvious that's where most of the people doing it in the catalog threads are coming from too (because, shockingly, the Phase Connect fanbase is filled to the brim with catalog retards)

>>48115330
>can't tell obvious falseflag
Grim

>>48115539
>Implying people need to falseflag as Phasefags when they've proven time and time again that they really are just that retarded

>>48115631
>still can't tell obvious falseflag
Grim

Black company shit

>>48109845
>phasefags have been dunking on talent freedom this whole time
Where do you schizos get stuff like that from? I'm not sure if you even realize that you are lying or if you actually believe this shit.