/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

dang thats craaaazy

>>48047866
When everyone else at the company says that the reason she got fired was going to make people hate her then you know she's done some bad shit.

>>48048976
>everyone else
who said this and what were the exact words?

>>48049243
Yeah, me. My exact words were "The reason she got fired is going to make people hate her."

>>48048976
so if she's already fired and it's bad why even bother? you'd only save face by actually revealing it.

>>48048976
And like everybody else in the company they can't leave without giving up their IP and couldn't even say where they would be going. Guess what? Being known as a black company isn't good for your own growth as a talent.
>everyone else
Also, no.

>>48048976
Who said that? link?

>>48048976
Yeah I dont buy that shit at all
the other girls are just PR talking out of their asses

>>48050196
>you'd only save face by actually revealing it.
Pika.....

>>48048976
>believing corpo PR
Never believe corpo PR. What are they going to say? "We're at fault here because we're a black company"?

Corpos are not infallible, pure hearted, innocent, victimized unfairly entities deserving blind ass loyalty. They exist to make money, simple as. Anything else is bullshit propaganda.

>>48049243
Panko, last few minutes of today's stream

>>48051121
So every company is a black company?

>>48054755
I didn't call them a black company for their contracts. I said being known as one would be bad for business so a talent has good reason to not want that. And it's not like they can easily leave or even move their fans to a new persona.
Every company has potential to be a black company regardless what their talent says.

>>48049243
>>48054659
not her exact words

https://youtu.be/3rE0e0X8SSA?t=10738

>>48054755
yes

>>48047866
who

>>48055803
774

>>48054755
No, but they care about the company more than they do about their talents and every company will side with themselves first before any of their employees.

>>48054755
yes

>>48047866
NOIDONTBELIEVEYOURRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>48054755
Welcome to Capitalism

>>48054406
You’re right because people are infallible, pure hearted, innocent, victimized unfairly and are deserving of blind loyalty.

>>48061513
This response is absurd: the person in question didn't make any statement yet. Since the company is the only one who stated anything, that's what the conversation is about.

>>48061513
yes
Yuri is the most innocent girl ever in this fuck degen company

>>48061513
>fell for the black comapany PR talk

>>48048976
corpos can say anything they want to say, the talents cant defend themselves because there's always an NDA

>>48047866
>join another corpo and give up your ownership
proof ?

>>48047866
Who?

>>48054755
more or less.

>>48047866
Why doesn't she just continue streaming with the model? What can they possibly do to her? A lawsuit over this would be laughed out of court.

>>48047866
I believe that's known fondly here as a "woman moment".

>>48048976
We already know the company is refunding her donors out of pocket it's not hard to figure out she was probably grooming discord paypigs and took the donations for her computer and left with the money.

>>48054755
Vtuber companies treat their vtubers as contractors and privilege parasite managers over them, in 9/10 cases the managers are retarded and let the 1/10th who aren't carry their work along with the vtubers themselves. So in this case, yes, since they aren't salaried long term employees the companies rely on exploiting autistic men (or women in the case of nijisanji males) and the talents they pimp out.

In Yuri's case it stands out because she and Lumi would both stop being Yuri and Lumi upon leaving the company despite owning those characters when they joined, which seems unfair.

>>48047866
Because Lumi manipulated her and she was also her dog at the time who does anything Lumi does.

>>48047866
They wanted to keep her, though. She was unwilling to compromise. That's on her. She probably had an illicit relationship with one of her viewers and didn't want to give it up.

>>48048976

>Phase Connect says Phase connect did nothing wrong

>>48048976
Who has actually said this though? Even if this is true, I'm more inclined to think that Yubi is the one good one in a rotten corpo that I'd already started to go off.

>>48071989
Panko said it and the rest imply it with their attitudes towards the situation.

>>48071780
>In Yuri's case it stands out because she and Lumi would both stop being Yuri and Lumi upon leaving the company despite owning those characters when they joined, which seems unfair.
It's what happens when you sell your character. She should've stayed indie, negotiated to retain ownership, or just ask to debut as a new character in Phase Connect.

I don't really care about what happened and who was in the wrong and all that shit.
But fishman really screwed them over with that contract.

>>48048976
Zaion moment

>>48072044
worthless bitches I knew this troon-loving corpo was rotten to the core

>>48054406
What's the scenario where Yuri did nothing wrong and got fired anyway, though? It just doesn't seem to make sense to fire her unless she fucked up in a way that makes her too risky to keep around.

>>48055777
To be honest, that makes it sound worse

>>48071989
Yubi is crazy
Most of the other girls are crazy
Fishman is a crazy girl wrangler

>>48047866
She betrayed the company and other talents. Well deserved.
Panko:
>we all have rules that we can't break
>you don't wanna know the details, it would have ruined her image
>girls are not really upset, but everyone feel bad for yuri
>stop calling phase a black company
>management tried it best to keep Yuri in
>in the end phase and yuri decided to split their ways in the nicest way possible

Lumi
>chat:do you know the reason?
>vaguely
>chat:how do you feel?
>...frustrated. A bad decision was made. Sakana tried really hard.
>we were drifting apart... I guess she was quite happy wih the friends she made lately
>didn't want to butt in with Yuri's new friends but thinks maybe if she did things might been different

>>48072120
Well, we don't know the whole story, do we? We get one side and not any other sides.

>>48072175
Yes, and that's why the fish has to accept responsibility for their crazy and not just fall back on something boring like "they breached contract".

>>48072205
>She betrayed the company
I don't give a fuck about the company and neither should you.

No one was in the wrong

>>48072371
kys commie

>>48072405
I ain't no stinking pinko either. I just think that something has gone wrong if your care is not for the chuubas themselves, but instead you give a damn about some corporate entity that operates in terms of contracts.

>>48072205
lol at the Phase sluts licking the company's boots like good little kept women. Kind of funny how all of that "rebellious" attitude stops when big daddy Phase takes the belt off.

>>48072551
The person that usually tells them to calm the fuck down is a woman, dipshit.

>>48062489
The talent can defend themselves if the corpo are not abide according the contract and caused her a reputational damage.

>>48072495
Calm down, wanna be revolutionary. Phase is a small ass company, where talents outnumber the supporting stuff. And, as you can see, the talent is fully on the management side.

>>48054755
it's almost like capitalism is bad or something. wait a minute..?

>>48054755
Only people that say that are people that have literally never worked or got fired for being a dumbass

>>48072958
>>>/pol/

>>48072175

>>48072205
>we all have rules that we can't break
>you don't wanna know the details, it would have ruined her image
>girls are not really upset, but everyone feel bad for yuri
>...frustrated. A bad decision was made. Sakana tried really hard.

The "sex with sakana once a month" contract clause is real

>>48072352
>accept responsibility for their crazy
I agree, he needs to dick slam the crazy out of them

>>48072958
capitalism is the only reason you have vtubers, dumb nigger

>>48048976
It's a plausible reality but I mean, as long as the other girl can't speak because NDA, couldn't they say this about literally anyone they terminate to try to get people to not side against the company?

"Trust us you would have agreed she deserved it" is like a way to sound like you really-understand your customers and pre-emptively delivered them justice, sure that's a pretty ironclad strategy, but I mean without seeing the receipts it's also asking customers to just take a blind leap of faith. They/we won't keep doing that over and over when asked to.

In any case it sounds like it wasn't a furious nuclear yab that got her fired but something that had been known of and they had carefully tried to work it out and somehow it just fell through. So I think in all likelihood the full explanation might be kinda petty actually or about some internal company stuff that looks heinous to them but not to us. I mean, NijiEN tried to make a laundry list of exactly-why they fired Zaion and it was as we suspected, "we just didn't like her" basically instead of her actually breaking the contract whole-hog like Rushia leaking.

>>48073654
>somehow it just fell through
she probably started taking shit advice from whales/groomers

>>48072321
Yes; I was asking for a believable scenario, not the truth.

I don't think the public can really judge whether anyone was in the wrong yet, and all the extreme opinions on this so far come from dramafags that care more about (You)s and gossip than the truth or the people involved.

>>48047866
>golden opportunity to [...] go indie
You anti-corpofags sound retarded saying this every single time. Getting a model isn't hard at all. Sounds like marxist bullshit to me

>>48073429
Fishman I kneel

>>48072706
I don't care. I don't think you're getting this. I will always be on the side of the vtuber getting graduated unless it turns out definitively that they've been graduated for supporting trans rights. In which case then it'd be justified.

I'm sick of everything being a sunset recently. When's the next sunrise?

>>48074697
>anon is suffering from trannie derangement syndromes
sad

>>48074753
IdolEN gen 2 this May.
Phase Connect new wave is coming too.
Niji gamers soon.
HoloEN 3 this year for sure

>>48071705
>she was probably grooming discord paypigs
This.

>>48074762
What's the syndrome that you suffer from that causes you to defend funny gender people on 4chan at any given opportunity?

>black company, it's obvious yuri did nothing wrong
>this is just like zaion
>why haven't the other talents said anything, because they're afraid
>of course they're gonna toe the company line
You are here
>I don't care about how much of a scammer yuri is, taking money from useless paypigs makes her more based in my opinion
Next week it'll be some other inane bullshit

>>48075315
>>I don't care about how much of a scammer yuri is, taking money from useless paypigs makes her more based in my opinion
This but unironically.

>>48072205
IdolEN 2

>>48074182
>believable scenario
That would require me to speculate ignorantly on things I don't know, but I'll try.

I will start by pointing out a few things in PC's statement. In the termination notice it said something about how both sides had failed to reach a mutual agreement after "several" "breaches" of contract. They acknowledge that Yuri was cooperative and went to "great lengths" to find a solution. I find all this interesting because it implies that what she was doing was not something they gave that much of a shit about if they were willing to come to some kind of agreement. In short, whatever it was was not really a crime or a terminating offense in and of itself. Like, with Rushia, Cover fired her for breaking their rules (or so they say), but here Yuri is doing something in the same vein (breach of contract) but wasn't immediately torched. So, either they really valued her going forward to the point where they were willing to let her actions slide, or her actions were miniscule and the company is making it sound worse than it really is.

So, what could it have been that was bad, a breach, but not something they were willing to jettison her for right away? Something they could negotiate with her over? Unfortunately, this is all we have to work with. So, I will guess as best I can:

1). She was making money somehow in a way that PC didn't get a cut.
2). She was doing something other than streaming which was viewed as detrimental to her growth / obligations. Possibly up to and including streaming under an alias.
3). She was participating in some kind of online discussion where non-critical information, but still company privy items, were being delivered to non company parties.

Just spitballing. I am pretty sure based on their statement she was not part of any type of illegal activity either for US or international law. I also don't think she was engaging in any kind of defamation against PC nor the other talents. I also don't think it was just a beef between talents, because why would they take sides and punish one of them? I also don't think she told the owner to "go fuck himself" or any other type of insubordination. It seems more like whatever she was up to that got her fired was "fixable".

That's how I see it anyway.

>>48074753
Iroha's minecraft event this weekend.

>>48075679
>1). She was making money somehow in a way that PC didn't get a cut.
Proof of this? I see the phase shills spamming this everywhere yet this secret discord was never shown

>>48075209
one of the symptoms is having a shekel deposit into your bank account after every post

>>48075814
>That would require me to speculate ignorantly on things I don't know, but I'll try.
>Just spitballing.
Bruh, I was asked to give possibilities. None of what I said was true, just interpretation and an attempt to understand but not having all the facts.

Supposed friend of Yuri, Lia, is hyper energetic and seems really happy.
Lumi doesn't give a shit.
Girls are planning mahjong collab.
Conclusion: Yuri deserved it.

>>48075933
So your entire post is worthless and not worth reading

>>48076071
So is every post about the situation. Glad you finally figured it out.

>>48062068
Worked DESU.

>>48076071
He told you that at the beginning of the fucking post, READ nigga

>>48075814
The only one pushing that shit is phases biggest shill bannedvtubermemes and his drones will happily parrot anything he shits in their mouths

>>48076071
>"Hey bro, gimme some scenarios"
>"Okay, I don't know shit, but I'll try"
>"Yo bro was that true?"
>"No, I said it wasn't"
>"WHY YOU MISLEADING ME BRUH?"
I hate you fucks so much, holy shit.

>>48071893
You're the second poster I've seen to write something entirely reasonable only to swerve hard into full halu with the BF = fireable offense shit lel.
Not even fucking HoloJP management cracks down on that anymore. The place with the MOST incentive to shill idol culture & groom unicorns. Why the hell would a carnival sideshow from Canada?

>>48076376
this is you
https://twitter.com/The_Dragonbro/status/723338564507820032
https://twitter.com/The_Dragonbro/status/1604940089024339968

>>48076466
Thanks for proving the point instantly

>>48076485
why are you brown

>>48047866
she wanted to open an OnlyFans because her irl pics on twitter had good engagement

>>48076458
Having bf and fucking your viewers for money is completely different matter all together.

>>48076531
>former CL whore
It runs in the "family"

>>48076531
Yeah, the latter would be a crime in most civilized nations. I doubt that's the case here because PC becomes complicit if they don't report it and bury it.

>>48072050
Why is phase buying indie characters up in the first place? Huge red flag.

>>48076575
>PC becomes complicit if they don't report it and bury it
They buried the whole thing and asked everyone to stfu.

>>48076585
Rubs me the wrong way for sure. I don't see a good reason for it that doesn't inherently benefit PC and screw over the talent.

>>48076669
black company

Luckily for Phase they may have already snagged a few more Invaders before this went down. But this incident would make me think long and hard about joining the company if they could take control of my indie identity.

>>48076641
Yes, that is what being "complicit" means. It would be better for them to terminate her immediately and report it to the authorities appropriate to her situation. If it got out, the scandal would be worse and legal action would be taken against them than simply exposing it now and looking bad for a few weeks until people forget about it.

>>48076730
PC is a Canadian company.

>>48076730
To clarify, I am stating exactly why the "selling sex" thing is bullshit. It makes little sense for PC to risk themselves over this, and then terminate her as well? Makes no sense.

>>48076765
And?

>>48076797
Yuri is from US. I think.

>>48076531
YKW fair enough, I misinterpreted. Assumed illicit was just being used for emphasis.

>>48076817
And?

PrussianBVLL was involved

>>48074295
blessed image

>>48076931
No one is going to report their talent for prostitution in the different country.

>>48076585
Why would they want a vtuber to grow under their brand who can go indie at any time and take everything with them? Cyberlive did that and they imploded, no other company wants such a shitty deal. They need authority and control to secure stability and profits.

>>48076669
Of course it "screws over" the talent. They're not friends, they're people negotiating a deal that they hope will benefit them as much as possible. This isn't commie wonderland where everyone loves each other, this is a capitalist society where everyone is working for themselves first and foremost.

>>48077530
VShojo exists.

>>48077596
Vshitshow is a indie group of nepo hires and friends with connection to twitch inner circles.
Not a real company.

>>48077725
So? It refutes the claim that this is necessary. If PC provides services to the girls to keep them happy it wouldn't have to resort to paranoia as a basis for wanting control over the indie girls bought and paid for models.

>>48077596
Fair, I should have said "companies that function like a regular business". Vshojo is more like a coop with how much influence the vtubers have, but the same principle applies; you get as good a deal as the use of your bargaining power affords you. Yuri did not have enough bargaining power to get a deal that allowed her to retain ownership of her character, and yet she made a deal.

>>48077824
I'm not questioning Yuri's voluntary actions, just PCs need for it. If you're paranoid about being another CyberLive, don't be a shit company and do what you say you will for them and yourselves. I find the need to require a sign over of your paid for property to be rather heinous. Are there other industries that utilize this method? I may change my mind if it isn't an unusual practice.

>>48077800
The point is that you are never going to get into Vslutjo unless you are big enough already AND friends with the ones in the "company". Vshojo is just an indie supergroup and 90% of the vtubers looking to get into a small corpo don't make the cut for Vshojo.

>>48078026
That's not the point.

>>48078092
Vshojo is not an alternative to Phase Invaders or the Jews poaching plan because it's a VIP club. So the "Vshojo exists" argument becomes irrelevant for like 90% of indie vtubers.

>>48078286
Still not the point.

>>48077941
>I'm not questioning Yuri's voluntary actions, just PCs need for it. If you're paranoid about being another CyberLive, don't be a shit company and do what you say you will for them and yourselves.
This works if everyone acts in good faith, but if you give a talent a deal like that they can demand more privileges or push boundaries later on, because they can threaten to leave which would damage the company more than them; you're giving them leverage instead of having the leverage yourself. So you don't technically "need" it, but you also don't "need" any kind of formal contract - you can just run a company on trust alone, but there's a reason detailed written contracts are everywhere. You want to be able to counteract someone else acting in bad faith, and when you deal with young women that may have mental issues it's not outlandish to consider that scenario.
>Are there other industries that utilize this method? I may change my mind if it isn't an unusual practice.
I mean, Harrison Ford can't just start a podcast where he pretends to be Han Solo. He doesn't own the rights to that character.

>>48078327
But that doesn't answer the question as to why PC chose this route. They had commissioned models before and this time wanted to grab existing talents. That was their choice to make. They changed their business model to snag talents. However, they didn't just want their cake they had to eat it too and make demands of established characters. Now, they're firing one and keeping their paid for model. For what purpose? It's not like they're going to make money on merch for it now. Plus, this extreme corporate favored paranoia infused tactic is bad optics. Who the hell is going to agree to this same thing now? Would you?

>Harrison Ford
Wasn't Han Solo before Star Wars so that's not the same thing here.

>>48078323
It's just a safeguard in case someone gets too clever and the company just becomes a revolving door of fairweather mercs using the [small corpo brand] as a stepping stone to advance their indie careers.

Like it or not, big enough small corpos like Phase put otherwise seething 1-2views in the steady 3view range and give them a lot of street cred. Getting your indie persona held "hostage" is the price you pay for that push.

>>48072405
>>48072495
>>48072706
>>48074697
You guys will come over to the winning team eventually. Capitalism is in its last days.

>>48078533
>However, they didn't just want their cake they had to eat it too and make demands of established characters.
But letting Yuri in with her already-existing character is also an advantage for her. The industry standard is to force people to adopt new vtuber personas, which she probably wouldn't have wanted to. "You get to continue as the same character and we'll buy it from you for X dollars" isn't a one-sided arrangement within what you can expect in the business.

>this commie shitter is back it again
Cringe.

>>48047866
There are so many nijisansjis that I honestly don't know who that is

>>48078765
Seethe about it. In your heart, you know I'm right.

>>48078741
Not the case anymore since the lie about them owning their models in phase is clearly exposed now

>>48078813
No u

>>48078874
You do realize that phase already got more invaders and all of them are capable of reading their contracts?

>>48079023
We'll see about that, won't we? I expect more graduations in the coming months.

>>48079023
Did they join today? Fucking retard

>>48078874
Nobody involved ever said anything specific about ownership. In fact, people were speculating that both Lumi and Yuri sold their persona's since debut. There was no lie unless you deliberately misinterpret reality.

>>48079128
>she bought her ip from cyberlive with her own money just to sell it to phase
If she did that then both her, Lumi and all of these alleged new phase invaders are the most braindead people on the planet

>>48076531
Honestly it's weird so many get hung up on this in terms of contracts. Since when does the contract dictate personal life? It definitely is fishy and weird to do such things. Unless this were brought to the public and hurt her reputation/companies to an irredeemable point do they even have any legal ground to stand on? Especially since they're a canadian company.

>>48079059
Wanna make a bet?
>>48079069
According to Tenma, they do exist. Infact she mostly interacted with the new invaders, and not that much with gen3.

>>48077530
I would expect a sort of buyback/buyout for the talents. I could believe she didn't have the funds to buy back to stay indie, but if there wasn't then they're worse than acti/blizz who let bungie buy out destiny despite not meeting their deadlines.

Commie sister >>48079173 is confused about people wanting to join corpo for more benefits. Shoot retardation.

>>48079173
Or they don't value their current identities as much as you want them to. Or they got equal benefits. Or they want to join and would have to risk their current identity anyway.

>>48075315
No matter what happens Yuri did nothing wrong.

>>48071780
Lumi got asked about this last night regarding invaders losing their character upon termination and she responded by saying "no 2 contracts are the same. Don't assume that just because one thing happened to one talent that it's going to happen to another"

Sounds to me like Yuri negotiated a shit contract while Lumi got the better deal.

>>48079344
Lumi said if she is gone from phase, so is her career.

>>48079344
Shame Lumi voluntarily retired her older better model in order to be blonde Veibae.

>>48079416
Rrat: She stills owns the original model

>>48079408
Well yeah who else other than a shit company like phase wants someone that ruined her previous company

>>48079344
Lumi has said she is quiting streaming or vtubing if she ever decides to leave phase. One can guess it's due to partially the contract and partially the hassle of getting a new model

>>48071893
So we all ignore Uruka and Tenma fucking Sakana lmao? Okay then.

>>48072205
>trust the emotionless corporation whose only goal is profit

I want to sell you an invisible pen friend, you see…

>>48079567
Tenma lives in japan. You must be confusing her with Lia
Go look on twitter for their "steak date" in LA

>>48079636
How would he see it if it's invisible?

>>48079460
She may well do, but she won't ever use it again. Maybe once she gets the sack from fishman... wait.

I'm as Capitalist as they come and even I don't bootlick for corpos as much as you guys.

>>48079505
She did also say at some point that she'd quit vtubing once she finishes her studies and yet she's streaming even more than ever instead.

>>48079669
That explains the no Exo backlash lmao.
But Tenma definitely do shit with sakana, you don’t get away with verbally hoping people off themselves etc. Sakana built himself an harem, Yuri didn’t wanna suck his phimosis chopstick so she got the clap out.

>>48079749
I mean, actual capitalists have different ideals than what the oligarchic corporatism capitalist countries always become. Just like many communists with ideals don't like the dictatorships that always come out of it like in Russia or China.

>>48077530
I’ve noticed that almost every corpo who lets talents keep their assets is doomed to fail because their talent can jump ship at a moment’s notice and their audience will follow them out the door. Doesn’t matter if the talent fucks over the corpo and breaches their contract, because “corpo bad.”

>>48079930
There is nothing wrong with telling people to kill themselves

>Phasefags defending Zaion for breaking rules in her contract
>Calls her based for it
>Spams post asking her to come home to Phase
>Someone in their company breaks the rules in their contract and gets terminated for it
>Calls it the right move because they need to follow the rules
Kek. I love how phasefags are backtracking on their statements now

>>48080082
Then there’s no problem with whatever she was doing behind the scene, unless money was lost or secret leaked, they have no reason that would make sense.

Especially since sakana fuck his talents. Of course Lumi is always safe and Uruka can fuck off from streaming 3week out of 4 every year since her debut lmao

>>48080224
I fuck you in the ass daily

>>48080204
Are you going attribute everything written on vt to phase connect now?

>>48078655
We live in hope.

>>48080258
Completely useless post, bitos are retarded, stay there.

Imma call some friends and push some favours owed at CRA, hope sakana’s paperwork is clean.
Would be a shame too if the Canadian government had news about a Canadian company hosting “hateful “ workers like Lumi and Pippa. Canada is commie heaven for a reason

Holly fuck some of you are retarded and can't even think about wider picture of some situations.
Of course company will protect them self and try to smooth their image out if some thot get fucked and start stealing or saying weird shit. They need to think about other members... Because guess what? If company image get rekt, other member also gonna lose job as whole company will lose income. They also will try to resolve problems with members as beta as it's possible even by doing some compromise because... Guess what? If they lose member, they will lose part of income and will need to spend resources to create new character.

They will always put blame on others as they need to protect their image. Here we have situation where member was moron so it's OK to blame her but in other situations, eg hololive. They will want to smooth things out before rekt vtuber as it's their asset that bring them income and you don't just throw that shit out. If your company have lots of income related to eg... China, you can't afford to some angry thot ruin it and make you lose money as guess what? Then you would need to fire more members or lose contacts and licensing as you need to balance your books. China bad and all that but business is business. Money are more important in that market.
There are no black companies. Only grey and vtuber scene is a market and start thinking about it like that. Those chicks work for company, it's not a fucking hobby in their spare time, they need to start thinking about it as a work. If not, go indie and suffer alone.

>>48080567
Ok fishman

>>48080546
You are going to call your mom and ask her for more hot pockets.

>>48080379
Are you saying every phase anon in /vt/ is innocent from shitposting? You retards raid almost every corpo general in existence to shill phase.

>>48080724
No, the Canadian irs equivalent and gov friends. Fuck em, what that faggot did to Yuri was the last straw

>>48080800
>You retards raid almost every corpo general
Ambitious and unprovable statement.

>>48080845
>>48080724

>>48080546
>knows about bitos
You're the thread anti? Seriously?

>>48080984
>keeps projecting
Enjoy the food and gift card friend, xalamon will dm you.

>>48081106
Hi Henri!

>>48047866
yuri just couldnt yuri with the other members.

>dont ask questions
>just shut up about it
what did fishman mean by this?

>>48048976
>When everyone else at the company says that the reason she got fired was going to make people hate her then you know they want you to believe she's done some bad shit.
ftfy

>>48080204
/pcg/ isn't a hivemind and there were several people who didn't want anything to do with her joining phase as well, saying that she was too disagreeable to join a corpo and would just cause problems.
Also, the Zaion poaching memes existed for other groups like Idol, holo, vshojo as well when she first got booted. /pcg/ is just the current boogeyman for /vt/ atm.

>>48081221
Hi Sakana!

>>48047866
The Fuura Yuri model is owned by PC. Amaris Yuri may be different but she's not using it.

When the CEO is urging you to damage control and mitigate discussion you know shit's bad lmao
phaseshills are boot lickers

>>48081678
It's really sad how NijiEN did so much damage to the image of corpo vtubers as a whole that people just automatically assume any defending of the company by talents is corporate mandated damage control

>>48081867
>corporations are good
are you by chance a member of the LGBTQISA2 community?

I just miss her

>>48081906
>ceo = bad
Communism has failed everywhere it's been implemented
>B-but
China is a capitalist country

>>48081990
What does your rambling has to do with corporations being shit entities that exist to fuck over others?
You're having a manic attack. Take your meds NOW

You will literally die without attention

>if you don't lick PC boots you're a commie
KEK what is this cope
phasecucks unironically make slide threads and damage control for free

>calculating cunt knowingly scams her piggies with a donothon right before her contract gets non-renewed for repeated breaches she refused to own up to
>findomfags and sisters insist she did nothing wrong because muh capitalism bad
Sad!

>>48082038
gulagsister...

>>48081867
NijiEN really did turn most of /vt/ into ACABs.
At this point a corpo vtuber could be fired with the reasoning of committing literal murder and they'd still be accused of saying corporate lies to save face.

>>48073491
truly as despicable of a system as it gets.

>>48082194
>>findomfags and sisters insist she did nothing wrong because muh capitalism bad
NOOOO YOU ARE A COMMIE YOU WILL DIE IN A GULAG BOOTLICKING ISN'T THAT BAD ANYWAY
AAAAAAHHHHH HELP ME FISHMAN I'M GOIN INSAAAAAAAAAAAANEEEEEEEEE

Hasan is my oshi

What's funny is that Yuri was the one who convinced Lumi to join phase, she was the one going to disneyland with Sakana and the other girls and making friends, she was saying how she doesnt think anyone would ever graduate phase due to how great it is a few weeks ago, she was a big believer in phase as a family and all that.

Then she got terminated, all the other vtubers at the company arent even sad that she's gone and now people are slandering her name saying that she committed evils and wants to move on.

>>48074478
she didn't have to pay for a top tier model, that's a pretty rare occurrence

>>48082437
Yeah, pretty fucked up for her to doxx Tenma while doing all that. Two-faced to the end, that donation scam was a fitting finale.

>>48082437
Women lie all the time to fit in or save face, vtubing is a female dominated industry.
Trust nothing and no one.

>STOP ASKING QUESTIONS
>STOP TRYING TO HOLD ME ACCOUNTABLE
>Y-YOU'RE JUST TROLLING
KEK this explains why phasecucks are having a meltdown in this thread.

>>48082559
Tenma got doxxed?

>>48078327
Your Harrison Ford example would only work if he had created Han Solo previously, gotten relatively popular, and then Lucasfilm recruited him for the movie but made him sign over the rights to the character

>>48082640
Fishman, I kneel

>>48082640
>FISHMAN GIVE ME THE CORPORATE SECRETS SO I CAN FILL OUT MY DRAMAFAG BINGO CARD
>We gave you all details that we are able to give without breaching the trust of our talents. There are no hidden narratives.
>YOU'RE HIDING SOMETHING THERE'S NO WAY YOU'D DELETE EVERYTHING COMPLEX LEGAL SITUATIONS WITHOUT DRAMA DON'T EXIST
>Sorry you're retarded.
You're just mad that Fishman knows exactly how to handle you retards.

>>48082876
$0.05 USD has been deposited to your bank account

>>48082703
>Tenma getting doxxed for hours in the phase thread
>Yuri starts streaming
>immediately draws the flag of the literal who country from the doxx
haha what a coincidence
check the archives

>don't ask questions we're actually protecting her by giving the worst rrats possible time to solidify in people's minds
Do people seriously believe this?

>>48081646
Why would her previously established Twitch and Youtube Channels, which both have content from before the soft rebrand as well as her joining Phase be deleted?

>>48083002
Check Twitter replies and tell me who the lack of details is benefitting

>>48082951
any keywords to look for?

>Every company that has a disagreement with a talent is a black company
>Every company that terminates a talent is a black company
This smells of Nijisis falseflagging. Their favorite strategy is to just claim that every company is as shitty as theirs, or worse.

>>48083120
it doesn't really work if yuri is allowed to do the final goodbye video

>>48083096
the obvious ones
I ain't gettin banned nigga

>>48082802
nta but aren't there record labels that gain ownership of an artists older works if they sign in with them? Especially if they re-record those songs with that label.
In this case Yuri had a redebut under Phase with a new name and a new model that was provided by Phase.

>>48076458
Because it's bullshit. There's no details about the negotiations. It's blind faith in the PR that said it.

>>48071989
>>48072205
only 2 people talked about it and they didn't give any details besides saying it's unfortunate. ! said it could paint her in a bad light. Another say the ceo tried hard. However I do not trust talent that can't leave without losing everything and can't hurt the company without hurting fellow talent.

>>48083484
You're not wrong. I feel bad for what happened to Yuri, but if she signed away the rights to the character/model, she was dumb, or she had better gotten something really good in return. The value of an existing, well known brand (relative in the vtuber sphere) is worth a lot. The evidence is the fact that she can't continue streaming as Yuri anymore, and will essentially have to start over if she wants to again. She was a low 3-view, which in the big picture is incredibly rare and successful and now she doesn't have anything.

>>48083772
Sounds like you're just looking for every possible way to make the company be at fault or the bad guy.
If in her final farewell video she apologizes for being at fault or says don't blame the company will you finally be satisfied or will you just accuse her of being at gunpoint by Phase management during the video?

>I do not trust talent that can't leave without losing everything
Lumi: "Every contract is different. Don't just assume that because one thing happened to one girl that it's going to happen to everyone else."

>>48083403
So there is none

>>48084250
>You don't have blind faith so you 're blaming the company
Do corpo cucks really?

>can't leave without losing everything
Because that how 95% of vtuber company contracts are. And all of Yuri's shit is shutting down? Do you really think a company would not say it was Yuri's decision if it was her choice to delete everything?

>>48084250
>will you just accuse her of being at gunpoint by Phase management during the video?
There's no winning against these schizos. Every action has 20 layers or narrative behind it, and behind that is a black company.

>>48083906
I mean, All the girls felt bad for yuri but were understanding of the situation according to Panko.
The clause of having ownership to the character is obviously there so they don't just up and leave anytime they want if they feel like it. She definitely valued being in Phase over the future prospects of her being able to keep the character in the future if she ever left. For all we know, she might have preferred that contract over the alternative of say, having to pay a penalty fee for breaking contract. She'd rather just give up the character and just start over.

In the end she gets to keep her $4000 PC from what it looks like, the company doesn't disclose what she did wrong with a laundry list of faults a la Niji, and she even gets a final farewell video to give her fans closure.
Pretty forgiving considering this is supposedly a termination due to multiple breaches of contract over a whole year.

>>48082951
Why are you inventing rrats to make her be some sort of anti boogeyman

>>48083096
Romania

>>48082951
Yuri always was a backstabbing whore

>>48085261
>her being in cyberlive never happened
You are now realizing that Hylo and the others were 100% right about Lumi and Yuri

>>48082640
what kind of sad company communicates through discord lol

>>48085402
How is that proof of Yuri doxxing Tenma?

>>48085500
>did it before
>expects me to believe she wouldn't do it again

>>48085534
Nah bro she is reformed now

>>48054755
Only to subhuman NEEToids (95% of 4chins)

>>48085261
>proof of doxxing fellow phase talents in this site's very archives
>inventing rrats
I don't care if you shitpost against PC because Pippa's twitch kids and election tourists are obnoxious or whatever, just find a way to do it that isn't lying to protect a serial doxxfag sister.

>>48082951
She also made sure that the VODs covering the donation goal were deleted afterwards prior to her termination. I always thought that was fishy.

>>48084638
>I will believe in my blind faith over everything else I'm seeing and hearing around me
Ogey schizo

>Because that how 95% of vtuber company contracts are
And the 5% is what? Cyberlive? Tsunderia?
>Vshojo
Not a traditional vtuber corp

>Do you really think a company would not say it was Yuri's decision if it was her choice to delete everything?
That's basis for being sued for defamation if it's an outright lie. There's a reason why Niji's laundry list of accusations were mostly half truths or worded in a way that can mean true in a different way.

>>48085106
See that doesnt make sense, she was happy being in phase a few weeks ago and saw phase as her family since her IRL family life was total shit. Why would she abandon the company she convinced Lumi to join and where she found friends with just for $4000?

>>48072551
daddy phase keeps these little menhera sluts in line.

https://discord.gg/3uXb7Zy7q3
kl

>>48086273
I ain't clickin' that shit

>>48085312
Have people never heard of a VPN

>>48086213
Probably more than $4000. Phase probably attached extra restrictions to her new contract to resign her i response to past contract breaches. Perhaps preventing her from making contact with her fans in private if those rrats were true? Perhaps she was lying all along?
Maybe we'll get some hints from her farewell video of a different story but I doubt it. For now Panko was right, speculating more with only the current info we have will just end up making her look worse.

>>48076026
Anon, females in a peer group are seldom, if at all, real friends. Even less so in an hyper competitive enviroment as vtubing. One day they are "bffs" and the next day they act as if that former bff was always a stupid fucking cunt.

>>48076711
This. Also good luck for any new talent actually making it. Phase is basically 80% Pippa

>>48082951
Your theory is the most logical

>Yuri was a doxxer
>"multiple violations"
>Panko: "Telling you what she did would hurt her image"
>all the talents are not sad that Yuri is gone
>Lumi: "she made new friends"
>Doxx target was someone who actively fought back against trannies
>Yuri was someone who supported trans rights
>Yuri accepted being terminated despite Phase negotiating
>Yuri knew all the other talents wouldnt like her anymore after this
>lose everything she worked for these past few years

This makes the most sense rather than it being money related.

>>48086637
Not getting involved with individual fans has been rule #1 in Phase since the beginning. There's no way Yuri was exception.

>>48082951
I want to point out that during that same thread, the doxx started when someone posted a video of some guy without any commentary playing mobile PUBG where apparently he was playing with Tenma's PL as she talked once for 10 seconds throughout the 12 minute video. That video also only had like 92 views and was posted unpromptly in the thread for no reason. No fucking way anyone but someone close to Tenma knew about this.

>>48086979
I just pasted her pl twitch url into YouTube search bar

>>48086979
It started when someone posted Tenma(supposedly)'s fiverr page. The video was easy to find by typing the name on the fiverr page into YouTube.
Before that we were arguing with a guy that said Tenma's accent sounds fake. The information posted was available on KF.
>>48087121
It was you?

>>48086979
Nah, that wasn't her. She was definitely in that thread though, and she basically confirmed the doxx on stream. She's a stupid irritating zoomer bitch that needs to be spanked more by daddy and mommy.

>>48087159
out of curiosity i decided to check her old content, before being a vtuber

>>48086890
I believe it. She also joined some tranny charity event and she got a ton of shit for it

>>48086890
You know I couldn't place the "new friends" comment but that sounds closer than it being groomer-related. It also provides a motivation for the doxxing.
Still I will absolutely seethe if that cunt cheered on the Tenma doxx (and likely had prior known doxx attempts for her "multiple violations") on the grounds of a woke clique being mad about wizard game. Fucking with Tenma already makes me mad, but that's the most contemptible possible reason. Pure jealousy or retarded female grudgery would be more forgivable.

>>48087560
Tenma would be the first in line to call out any bullshit if Phase did anything wrong. The fact that she's suspiciously quiet and ignoring that Yuri graduated says a lot.

>>48087560
>>48086890
>>48087159
>>48086979
>>48087200
She drew that flag for a jannie who was from Romania.

>>48086152
>I will believe in my blind faith over everything else I'm seeing and hearing around me
Can't even tell what you're strawmening here. I can see and hear a lot of flat earthers but that doesn't change that it's all shit.
>And the 5% is what?
If you want to make it higher than 95% go ahead. My point is that they can't leave without losing everything.
>That's basis for being sued for defamation if it's an outright lie
wtf are you talking about? Are you saying I could be sued for defamation? Are you saying the company would lie?

>>48087276
I remember you, retard. If it wasn't for your logical explanation i would have never beileved the bullshit you were spouting that turned out to be the truth

>>48086213
Wasnt Lumi the one who convicned Yuri to jump ship and join her in Phase?

>>48089382
Pretty sure their post cyberlive videos talked about Yuri being the one to convince Lumi as Lumi wanted to be an indie more.

>>48087710
her reaction seemed to be complete indifference to me, which was weird to say the least

>>48087745
Yeah dude totally

>>48091135
she was drawing the flags of her mods
and tenma dox is like an year old news

>>48091121
If she confronted Yuri behind the scenes and it didn't go well, she might have checked out emotionally before management posted the announcement.

Guess pippa was right at the end of that sons of the forest collab when she said we wouldnt be getting a second part

>>48072079
zaion moment would be to give a list of bull

>>48087560
>>48086890
I've checked the archives and there were people saying yuri's stream (while the doxx was going on) sounded weird, like she wasn't streaming from her usual setup. She may have been doing so to hide her IP, which also would confirm she knows there's a phase connect 4chan janny, for the /pcg/ thread, since they can see IPs.

>>48049243
>>48055777
>what were the exact words?
so basically:
>You don't wanna know the details
>Management tried to part ways in the most delicate way
>It would have just ruined- umm- probably, I don't know her image or I don't know. We don't want anyone to hate anyone that's why there aren't lot of details.

>>48055777
Oh shit

>>48087710
she can only do that if she owns part of the company, if not she is just an employee and can get fired and sued if she says anything that is bad for the corporate image especially if she lives at canada.

>>48091121
Nobody gives a fuck about Yuri and she is too small to be relevant. Lumi pretended to love her when they first came in but time and time again chuubas prove to only hang out with people of similar ccv only to drop them and hang out with other people with even higher ccv.

>>48047866
Most likely she had a secret discord, through the year was told to shut it down but choose not to because it didnt broke any writen stipulation. When the moment of reneweing the contract came, now said restriction was in place and they couldnt reach to an agreement. Queue April1st clip.

>>48081514
>vshojo
Don't bring us into this. You imbeciles can slug this out among yourselves.

>>48091121
The rest of Phase, justifiably so, never really liked Yuri.

>>48079669
What a lucky fucker, I wish I had a bunch of femanons/egirls ready to suck my dick at a moments notice because I paid for their anime fantasies. I bet you even Pippa would do it if he asked.

>>48080224
If i was Sakana, Lumi would be my top egirl ho, her feet are top tier.

>>48077233
Okay. You're not right, but okay.

>>48100597
>>48100514
>>48100447
Meds.

>>48047866
>so yeah, just come up to my room, I'm gonna eat you out
>wtf, no? Get the fuck away.
>OK you are fired lmao
Sakana treating his company like a personal brotherly lmao. Just because Lumi, Pippa, Lia, Tenma, etc let him nut inside I'm exchange for contract renewals doesn't mean every other girl is.

>>48062068
you all keep forgetting remi exists

>>48079567
>>48079669
>>48100447
Kill yourself retard
Stop slinging mud at the other girls just because the cat whore is too menhera to not break contract

>>48082565
I'll trust the Lumi thank you please

>>48087710
So neither the fish or yuri did anything that bad and this is a nothing burger probably boiling down to something stupid like the cut % phase gets.

>>48102530
Obviously

>>48093720
That doesn't sound like she's specifying yuri, in fact it specifies no one. I guess the stat of more than 50% of adults being unable to read past an 8th grade level is true.

>>48076575
Not really. Selling your own sex for money is legal in most civilized nations. Promoting or taking profit from somebody else that does it, on the other hand, is a serious criminal offense. Depending on where she lives, she may not get in trouble for selling sex to viewers, but Phase sure would, as they promote her image and enable her to get viewers in the first place.

Considering Panko said "trust me, you don't wanna know the details" and "[Phase] don't wanna share all that happened, because [...] it would have ruined her image" I'm leaning towards the OnlyFans or paid dating theory. Embezzling money is a close second place.

>>48078533
>Harrison Ford
>Wasn't Han Solo before Star Wars so that's not the same thing here.
She also wasn't Fuura Yuri before joining Phase Connect, she was Amaris Yuri. Let alone that the girl must have a real name and identity separate from these characters.
Nobody is stopping her from creating yet another "Yuri" character and going indie, if that's what she wants to do. But the character that was promoted as part of the Phase brand should stay (or die) with the company. This is standard practice, not just in vtubing.

>>48102848
Who the fuck else would it be about, retard?

>>48102849
Rrating about it is pointless and just going to lead to lies and misinformation becoming "truth".

>>48103506
The model was hers regardless of he name. At best, PC can claim ownership of the name Fuura Yuri, but they had to require her to sign over the model, which is, frankly, a terrible business practice considering the result.

>>48102848
She was specifically asked about yuri's termination in the superchat.

>>48101276
>

>>48103648
You're illiterate and proving the point. It means she doesn't think either side is in the wrong all that much depending on what you think about yuri.

>>48072205
this basically confirms discord grooming but panko makes it sound like she was fucking her groomers lol

>phase bans yuri from brapposting
>yuri sells braps on OF to her groomers
>yuri fired

>>48105313
You're a fucking retard. She literally said they didn't give details so as to not ruin Yuri's image.

>>48093538
>since they can see IPs
You're an idiot. Jannies explicitly cannot see IPs, only mods can.

>>48072120
It doesn't make sense just like it doesn't make sense that she fucked up badly.
Yuri loved PC dearly and although she is a huge menhera she isn't going to set everything on fire.
She's retarded but not THAT type of retarded.
The statement is very oddly vague and nobody wants to say anything about it, unlike Zaion or Rushia, where not only have we seen the actual, detailed reason, but also could see either them acting on roommate accounts or the actions themselves.

>>48076585
For the same reason why CyberLive turned out to be a bad idea. Ironically, Phase poached from CyberLive.
If an indie retains the entire IP she can leave with no reprecussions if she doesn't like even the smallest thing, if the IP is sold then she's effectively enslaved and slaves don't get to complain.

>>48074478
model of this quality is a 4-digit price. She received 3 models + upgrades just in Cyberlive. And she owned all of them.
Owned, until she got FISHED.COM

>>48075315
Yuri did nothing wrong, and if she did then Phase deserved it.

>>48077725
>Not a real company.
and that's why they're winning

>>48079023
If we're talking about the Offkai ones, I'm afraid that some of them have just woken up.

>>48081646
Her entire existence is fucking vanishing. This goes to Amaris Yuri too.