/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Not until she collabs me

I'm still not gonna watch male collabs, but at the very least she acts normally in said collabs. She's just as perky and loud as she is in collabs with the girls. This mostly goes for Mori and Ame as well as most of the ID girls.

Which, is way more than I can say for Kronii. Utter dead fish unless there's cock around. Genuinely wastes a stream slot in any collab she's involved in.

>>47947397
No, because it never upset me in the first place. You see, I'm not insane.

>>47947397
Bae's collabs with Ollie and Roberu were entertaining enough to make me rethink my earlier position on the subject.

Isn't Robert her oshi?

>>47947397
I like many chuubas, whenever one collab with a male I just don't watch, it's really that simple

>>47947397
Never cared about it in the first place.
Her Typing of the Dead stream is fucking legendary.

>>47947397
She never shat on her fans because they didn't like that so there never was anything to forgive.
That said, I only watch JPs.

I won't forgive her because it's not her collabs with males that make me mad at her.

>>47947397
i don’t care

>>47947397
no

>>47947397
Yes, because she exemplifies what professionalism is and it speaks volumes as to Mori's, Ame's, and Kronii's failures to maintain rapport with their fanbase.

>>47947397
I don't like male collabs generally but she never does anything jarring in them or afterwards so I don't care, at worst I just skip it.

>>47947778
I don't recall Mori shitting on her fans because of Tempus collabs like Ame & Kronii did.

>>47947397
Bae’s intentions were always pure, while Ame and Kronii just do them to “own” their fans.

>>47947397
She appeals to the right audience most of the time, some others like Mori and Kronii are just there for straight up normies

>>47947898
Mori planted the ideas into their heads. Why do you think Kronii had a sudden change of heart?

>>47947898
I stand corrected. Still won't watch her though.

>>47947967
>source: the voices in my head

The way I see it is if you're going to collab with males, make yourself clear about what you are going to do and keep promises with your fanbase that you'll only do some streams with males and if you would like to avoid them, then you're free to do so. If you did what Kronii did for example, then you deserve the criticism from unicorns.

>>47947397
she told you she is a homobegger day one, male collabs not my thing, but there is nothing to forgive.

>>47947902
ame barely even collabs with them and has yet to do a 1-1, where did this notion that she's a homocollab spammer come from? or did the "improve yourself" skit really cut THAT deep? that'd be ridiculous.

>>47948171
Even Mori has never lectured her fans like that. Ame is in the same company as Finana.

>>47947397
What is there to forgive? She hasn't done anything wrong.

>>47947902
Ame's always been a Stars fan though, anyone who felt blindsided by her trying to reach out to the EN branch is really just dimwitted as fuck

>>47948171
>that'd be ridiculous
You underestimate the gravity of simple words to those who were once proud to call themselves Teamates. I do not speak on behalf of them, but she has lost at least 10,000 fans on those words alone.

>>47947778
Bae had her moment of talking to her chat like they were 12 about male collabs when tempiss came, but nobody really cared because Roberu has been her oshi since debut

>>47948240
>ame saying "why you pissed? why not spend that time improving yourself" as a passing comment during a SC reading
>finana saying "trap is a slur!! stop saying trap!! educate yourselves", making tweet(s) about it, banning people in chat, then backpedalling
>these are the same?
i don't deny it may have left a bad taste in your mouth but to say it was finana level is being disingenious.

>>47948272
Exactly. Her transparency is what makes her respected by unicorns even if she does collab with males. I cannot say the same thing about Ame or Kronii. They chose to disrespect their fans and their jobs with words and actions alone. For us, it's the professionalism and willingness to grow that counts. Neither of these two seem willing to ascend beyond themselves.

>>47947534
>>47948069
You can't satisfy everybody and that's why they filter their fans, some vtubers like her got into hololive only to continue Coco's legacy rather than Yagoo's abandoned ideal

>>47948171
Come on. That duet with the blue homo was done purely out of spite for her fans that don't like tempiss collabs. He didn't get any benefit out of it, only schizos

Collab? More like watching her collaborators carry the conversation while she stole their spotlight

>>47948366
That prerrecorded duet was done way before anyone even realized how much everyone would shit their pants about homocollabs, for reference it was before kronii had her meltdown. You can't really convince me Ame didn't just do it back then because she's a unityfag.

>>47947397
If Laplus can do it, I don't see the issue with Bae doing it.

>>47948171
/vt/ schizos constantly let single sentences live rent-free in their heads after the fact, to the point where the schizos have completely lost any recognition of what the sentences actually meant other than the meaning they invented for themselves

>>47948348
You're not quite understanding me here. You don't have to please everyone to be respected. Those who do respect you though, deserve the retention and positive rapport in return. If you can't maintain that with those who contributed to your success, then you don't deserve any respect at all. It's why both Ame and Kronii alike have fallen off.

>>47948462
Because they didn't insult their fans ever. Ame and Kronii did. That's why they deserve the flak. That is the fine line of the scope of this.

>>47948462
Laplus is worse than Bae since she was trying to use Hololive to shill her RM account.

It's not the male collabs.
It's "unfortunately idol culture is a thing" and "improve yourself" that make you look both unprofessional and ungrateful.
You want to collab with males? Make it clear and tell those who have a problem with that to ignore those streams.

>>47948483
Nope, that's what they wanted and they don't care about the respect of some fans more than getting brownie points from their selected audience

>>47948483
How could anyone call themselves a teamate without knowing Ame always liked the homostars? If you weren't filtered back then I can't believe you would get filtered by the prerrecorded bluefaggot duet.

>>47948171
Teamates consisted of the biggest goslings and unicorns pre-2022 and the expectation was that she'd pull a Gura and totally ignore the existence of Tempus. So not only were they completely wrong on that, but they were pretty much told to go fuck themselves afterwards and did a duet with one of the homos. Not even a teamate but it must've hurt.

Let’s be honest, Ame was completely right that you guys need to improve yourselves. The reason it upsets you is because you know it’s right and it reminds you of your parents constantly nagging to you to get a job.

>>47948681
See >>47948649

>>47948461
It was after the improve yourself comment, which already got her hate and shat up her comment section

>>47947397
There's nothing wrong with collabing with males, therefore nothing to forgive her for. Picrel is for (You), now quit shitting up the board.

>>47948581
Kronies still say that it's just part of the charm and that fans should just suck it up as an act, otherwise you were too thin-skinned for her lectures

>>47948681
>Teamates consisted of the biggest goslings and unicorns pre-2022
>unicorns
Where do you faggots come from? Jesus

>>47948693
We definitely improved ourselves out of watching her.

>>47948648
Sad but true.
>>47948649
Because she made deals with her fanbase upon debut that she couldn't maintain. Which explains her being the lowest SC'd Holo in EN

>>47948693
Most hololive fans totally got in to be reminded of IRL issues, bravo

>>47948693
Oh I can always improve myself. Just not the way she wants me to. Her way of saying it was conceited and unknowledgeable about the situation of both myself and her Teamates.
>>47948792
And it cost her many of her gachi based on promises she's made with them.

>>47947397
no, but i do tolerate her because she keeps the male schtick mostly in her pants unlike the other cocksuckers who do it to spite imaginary boogeymen

>>47947898
Did you memoryhole her retweeting this?

>>47948800
He's not wrong, newfag. Ame and IRyS were long considered the most unicorn-friendly Holos before Tempiss happened. IRyS lost a few of them when her rigger showed up on a friend list for her Switch, Ame lost nearly all of them with offhanded comments of "improve yourself."

>>47948934
>Ame
>unicorn friendly
Are you fucking kidding me? Did you memoryhole all her tweets gushing about Shien? >>47948649

>>47948837
>Which explains her being the lowest SC'd Holo in EN
GENUINELY where do you niggers come from? There's fucking FANART of Ame closing her superchats for no reason and for long periods of time.

>>47949000
Post membership faggot, you're the one who sounds new here.

>>47948681
Most unicorns left after they find out she had a boyfriend.

>>47947397
She collabs with the homos less than Kronii and Ame surprisingly. And she’s a peak CGDCT chuuba. Yea I have come around on the rat since tempiss’ debut.

>>47949023
>no counterargument
did you memoryhole ameggedon too? do you even know what that is?

>>47948887
I don't know, she was quite hot and bothered when she met Roberu. If my oshi acted like that to a holostar, I would be disappointed

>>47948934
Where do you think the Gosling meme actually started within this fandom? It wasn't Korone. It was a global meme started by the earliest Teamates.

>>47949000
I feel bad for Amelia, Shien practically ignored her...

>>47949060
Yes. Amegeddon is what almost made me drop her, but was willing to forgive since it was long before I knew who she was.

>>47948762
There is a problem with collabing with males, no one wants Hololive to become the absolute diarrhea that is Nijisanji. Occasional male collabs are fine but if they begin to happen more often than it is a problem.

>>47949079
I attributed that to those Ollie teasing clips kind of pushing her to act that way as an expectation from the fans. But after the first collab she’s been fine.
Also
I.e. Kiara/Peko

>>47949121
>blaming her for your own delusions when the answer was there from the start
you flaming retard.

>>47947397
Kronii and Mori have done more than her so i dont know why you niggers still care

>>47947397
She made it clear she would collab with males from the beginning so she has nothing to apologize for.

Her old comapany's 2nd gen was a mixed gen. She was tainted from the start.

>>47947397
No, she also ruined Kronii.

>>47949109
She got her Gartic collab and was happy when he drew her of his own volition, she's fine

>>47947397
It never bothered me. It's okay when it's Bae. My problem is with the vtubers that have zero professionalism when doing mixed collabs, Bae can collab with any man she wants to just fine.

>>47949223
>your own delusions
Isn't that what this interest is all about?

>>47949000
tempiss really was a mistake not only because of the homos themselves but also because it brought an entire population of retarded newfag shitposters who don't know what they're talking about and will try calling you a newfag in return.

>>47949079
That was literally Ollies fault

>>47949000
Stop embarrassing yourself newfag. Holy shit.

>>47949377 (me)
case in point: >>47949430

>>47947716
She did, she said "we wont get (whatever issing dissease i forgot the name) from collabing with guys, don't be 9 year olds!" while speaking slowly and mocking concerned people.
She is as bad as the rest just don't have the guts to act like Mori.

>>47949541
That was on her debut stream.

>>47947397
Stop making these threads about Bae you fucking falseflagging nigger

>>47947397
I think most fans don't really mind. The more parasocial ones prefer that she does not collab with males which is understandable. Really, its how you treat/respond to your fans when they are voicing their opinions about their dissatisfaction.

>Mori
Tried to own her parasocial fans
>Ame
Told them to 'improve themselves'
>Kronii
Told them that they are unreasonable and dismissed all opinions

Any of the above could have just said "I know some of you don't like the idea of these collabs. But I want to be able to support my fellow co-workers/collegues and not restrict my interactions and content direction. For those of you who still want to leave, I understand. I appreciate all the support that you have given me. We will always welcome you back with open arms if you decide to join the community again."

Literally, would have been a very professional and respectful send-off for your more parasocial fans. Instead, by voicing their immense dissatisfaction with the more parasocial fans, they pitted the regular and somewhat parasocial fans against the more parasocial fans. By dismissing some of their fan's feelings and opinions, it gave their fanbase the 'okay' to harass the more parasocial fans. It creates such a toxic environment in the community. Most fans come for a positive, enjoyable escapism experience, but with the toxic environment, it creates an uncomfortable tension in fan-to-fan and fan-to-talent interaction.

Thanks for reading my TedTalk.

>>47949627
wrong, that was before her Tempus collab, almost a year after her debut, the only thing she said about it on debut was her simping for Roberu.
Baefaggots don't watch her stream. pathethic

>>47949079
>she was quite hot and bothered
That's just every non holo female that talk with son for more than 10 minutes

>>47949663
>Tried to own her parasocial fans

This one isn’t true, Mori loves her fans being parasocial.

You guys ever get tired of arguing over this retarded topic?
Unironically you will never get laid pretending to hate your own dick and the existence of others
You are the vtuber equivalent of the "male feminist", no woman will drop her panties because you seethe she talked to a 7/11 clerk

>>47949826
You're completely missing the point.
Educate/Improve yourself.

>>47949733
>the only thing she said about it on debut was her simping for Roberu.
Don't pretend that you watch stream either

>>47949826

>>47949999
Maybe you should transition to being a woman since these girls have moved beyond their purpose and thats being a random internet entertainer

>>47947716
retard

>>47949826
Fans are allowed to voice their feelings of betrayal here, ma'am.

>>47948693
its such a dumb pr moves to borderline insult your current customers. there must be a way to facilitate peaceful separation while maintaining professionalism but nonono lets offend them by implying they are lazy ass basement dweller like bro not even kiara goof this much. if you out-menhera the menhera of your group, there is something wrong with you. my personal rrat is that ame likes imagining herself getting hatefucked by her gachi and thats hot af.

>>47949823
Yeah because she's fucking retarded

>>47950735
Move out of your shack ESL. Graduate high school, get a job

https://discord.gg/3uXb7Zy7q3
l;

>>47947397
This is the 5th thread I have seen in 24 hours
You are fucking OBSESSED with the rat mate, let the poor little sweetie do whatever she's doing

>>47950802
nah

>>47950918
He samefags his own threads because he loves the attention also

>>47950918
This thread isn’t even about Bae, it’s about shitting on Kronii and Ame.

>>47948887
>who do it to spite imaginary boogeymen
>he says, while literally being the target of the spite

>>47949076
And it had nothing to do with retarded schizo unicorn bullshit until (You) fuckers decided otherwise.

>>47947397
Oh please fuck off with your passive aggressive thinly veiled bullshit faggot, this girl is as honest as they come with her transparency to collab with men since debut yet in spite of that, she still cares a metric fuckton more about her own genmates, fans and Hololive doing cgdct content all the time. Stop obsessing over males, the rat is cute and all the HoloEN girls love her
I don't give a fuck if they collab with males or not since I can just skip those, I just don't want the frequency of my cute girls content I consume to lower in favor of that and Bae has only increased that since in the branch overall since her debut with her constant EN and JP collabs
As long as the male collabs are rare and the CGDCT content is thriving, Hololive will never be Nijisanji

>>47950975
>>47951084
Yeah, I just noticed the abysmal IP count
This is pretty much a propaganda circlejerk thread for schizos which are pretty much all threads made by this guy, the recurring pattern says a lot

>>47947397
>over 100 post for a thread with abhorent dogshit OP

>>47947397
she and ame suck balls

>>47954167
yeah, mine

>>47949000

Dang this Amefag is malding something fierce. She backstabbed her fans and has become the pariah of myth, go dilate.

>>47949029
Some were fine with it since her ass got dumped

Imagine being a girl and being dumped lmao

>>47947397
I have friends of the opposite sex.
There was never anything to forgive.

>>47955256
Based

>>47949430
>newfag
>actually referencing content and streams from her debut year
I'm starting to think you just read /vt/ instead of actually watching chuubas

>>47955182
it is the normal reaction for any functional streamwatcher to be baffled at extremely overt displays of ignorance and threadreading.

When has Bae done anything wrong?

>>47947397
I don't have to "forgive" her because I was never betrayed by her, I simply don't have any interest in girls who collab with men, if I wanted to watch that I'd just watch some vapid Twitch cunts.

She's not as obnoxious about it as Mori, Ame and Kronii but I'll still never watch her unless she's in a collab with one of the girls I like. I'm basically ambivalent towards her.

>>47947397
she have a good roleplay remember when she was pretending to be flustered with roberu.

>>47947397
never cared in the first place

>>47947397
She's good friends with my gf so I forgive her for anything

>>47947648
Isn't he yours?

>>47947397
Sorry there is no coming back with off collabing with a star.

>>47949334
>Bae
>Not Mori
Did you happen to miss devil box's new released demo reel of VA with a certain circleview congratulating her?

>>47949430
>Sees evidence
>H-h-holy shit, newfag!!!

>>47947397
Only pathetic incel chuds get insecure about girls and guys hanging out together, there's nothing to "forgive" and if you think there is you're probably a basement-dwelling dweeb who has never felt the touch of a real woman.


Frankly content creators have the right to choose what they do and who they do it with, it's totally their decision, and if you can't handle that go and watch a content creator who panders to your fragile ego like Fauna or IRyS - if you can handle being bored to death for hours on end.


The real takeaway from this is your fragile masculinity can't handle the fact (and yes, it is a fact, even for your unicorn-pandering snooze-fest oshis) that girls talk to and hang out with guys. It's normal. Get the heck over it or be quiet and stop trying to ruin the fun for the rest of us.

>>47963492
This.

>>47963492
Exactly, you said it like a pro. I am so sick of this debate coming up every few days.

>>47947397
she was pretty upfront about doing it from the beginning so yeah sort of, but that's totally why her viewership sucks and anyone who says otherwise is coping. Bae shot herself in the foot right from the beginning by saying her oshi was roberu and that she wanted to befriend all of holostars. everyone else had a chance to build up their fanbased before collabing with holostars and scaring half of them off but bae never gained those fans in the first place

>>47963492
A-FREAKING-MEN

>>47963492
Mic drop.


/thread

>>47963492
Omg yasss go off queen.

>>47963492
>>47963540
>>47963595
>>47963636
>>47963687
>>47963774
how many times are you gonna reply to yourself faggot?

>>47963816
What? None of those are me. Try harder.

>>47963492
>Be Idol
>break the tenets of idol
>Not an idol
>people stop watching you
>NOOO you must give me money give memoney!!
Ame go whore on twitch

>>47963492
BASEDBASEDBASED

>>47947397
Its shitty that corpos prey on unicorns lonlieness, but its even shittier that no one fucking points that out. Thats why its the norm because these corpos facilitated and fed into unicorns demands. Fuck them
But it is funny when people tell unicorns "dont like it? Dont watch it teehee XDDDD" and then when unicorns do exactly that they start screeching even more lol

>>47947397
The only thing I'll have to forgive for is causing my GF to break up with me.
:(

Only if she does an upsidedown naked dogeza AKA mating press

>>47967455
If she left you for that she was never going to stay with you anyway and was looking for an excuse or a way out.

There’s nothing to forgive. It’s ok when Bae does it, because it’s ok when JP does it. Also she only does them when there’s an actual point. One could argue that the squad seething over board game chicanery is also kino enough to justify them, but admitting that makes you a homobeggar, apparently

>>47947397
I don't hate her like Kronii, she wasn't bitchy about it like Ame either.

>>47947397
No one was upset at her in the first place. She set expecations early and has never wavered. Same reason none of these threads work against Rin.

Newfags forgot why and how Ame imploded before debut because of roommate posting. People were so mad they shared porn of any girl that looked like her/audio that sounded vaguely like her getting fucked claiming it was her and her p-chan

>>47963816 Got em' >>47963920


But for real though dont think your fooling anyone little Ms. /here/

>>47967455
Context?

>Has history of being a rave whore
>RM has had evidence of her sucking cock after cock
>claims to be a con-slut but as you would expect
>has her audience like most of EN as bowed ATM's with bare minimum effort given her content and so called gfe roll play

If anything, she's got /vt/ whipped nasty but in a hen-pecked & fucked way

>>47969357
>PP could only cum to Bae
>GF self conscious
>Didn't want to ask her to cosplay

>>47950607
>betrayal
holy shit.

>>47947648
One of them. Subaru and Aqua are also her oshi too.

>>47947435
you will get one

>>47947534
>>47948693
>>47948762
>>47949826
>>47955256
>>47955311
>>47963492
I agree, sisters.

>>47981941
Forgot the image btw

It’s alright if us sisters schizo out though when our beloved even goes so near as to interact with a female!

>>47947397
She pronounced herself to be a genuine homolover at her debut, so from the very start she already established what you're in for if you choose to follow her.
It's a stand I don't necessarily agree with, but in the grand scheme of things it most probably has saved her from more trouble than not.
From all that, Bae is gonna fall under No Harm No Foul for me, the only harm so far was her inviting Mumei into the collab with JP homo from way back then, other than that she's just fine, maybe a little awkward at times, but fine.

No.
t. Insider

>>47984540
>Watching everyone means you're pidgeon holed into some retarded fucking /vt/ buzzword

you niggers are mentally ill

>>47984935
Like it or not you would rather the other niggers taking my stand on the matter than the absolute schizos that spam the catalog, and samefag their own threads over and over with their deranged views that come straight out of /pol/

>>47947902
Kronii is more retarded made the error of listening to mori than malicious.

>>47986828
>im mentally ill but at least i'm not as mentally ill as the other mentally ill retards

>>47947397
Nothing to forgive. She was very clear from the start. I knew to stay away, so I did. Never watched her outside of collabs, and I never will.

I could care less about male collabs. I'm not as far gone as to be obsessed with fake anime women or cuckoldry as the rest of (You) sad fucks. They're streamers, not anything to get worked up over

>>47987133
So you watch Kronii, Mori, Ame as well but forgave them?
Got it

If anyone gets upset with Bae doing male collab, than you didn't watch her debut, which means you are a newfag and should kill yourself.

>>47987314
No? I don't watch Kronii, Mori or Ame. I used to in the past, atleast for Kronii and Ame, but I never cared about both of them enough to feel hurt in the first place. When they started doing Homoshit, I just stopped watching them and left.

And with Mori, I'm not even sure why you'd bring her up? With all her TT and Connor stuff she did early on, getting Rikka on her 3D, etc. she was almost as clear as Bae about going to hang out with guys, just never having said it directly.

>>47947648
All of Stars are

>>47947397
SO UNDERRATED

>>47947397
never had a problem, however I'm fucking pissed that there is no good mating press art involving her despite the meme. artfags dissapointing me yet again.

Why does she hope I don't find out, the things she's shy about?

>>47996312
The new age rrat is that she's shy aboufvjkhgddrunnv

>>47947435
thats a good mindset to have

>>47947703
>Never cared about it in the first place.
same

>>47947397
No, and I fucking hate all the memes that have come out of her.
She's built her career out of pretending to be a retarded child that does not know what a DVD is and I'm tired of retards believing it.
MATING PRESS RAT XD is also tiresome as hell and I fucking hate her accent.
I cannot see what can be considered attractive, fun or interesting about her. She seems so fucking bland it's unreal. And her CCV reflects it.
I respect that at least she made her stance clear from the beginning and never backtracked. Much more admirable than the bullshit Kronii pulled off.

>>47947397
i dont care if she collabs with males as long as they are holojp also my dick cant resist the hotness of bae

>>47947397
>Do you forgive this rat for collabing with males?
yes

>>47947397
I guess being open from the get-go about collabing with males makes it more acceptable, or at least possible to cull the unicorn part of your fanbase early on.

>>47947397
Not watching a single homobegger. Fuck off.

>>47947397
That's like asking to forgive a ginger kid for having ginger hair/freckles. It's just his nature, there is nothing to forgive - but if you find that appearance weird/ugly, you're still going to and it's not like forgiving him will change your inherent reaction. Similarly with Bae she was mixed up with homostars from day 1, what is there to forgive? However, just from her inherent nature of being like this, it means she'll never quite have the appeal to me of the others, who didn't do that. If others can reach 10/10 in my eyes she's permanently capped as like, a 6.

>>47947397
No. She'll remain at the bottom of Council forever.

>>47948529
la+ did way worse shit than just insult her fans. thats a shit way to gauge how bad something is

I caught up with her in Sydney before she flew to Japan. We collab'd all night long.

>>47947397
i have no hate for her,
her stance was long known
i will always wish bae the best of luck
she's a good singer.
but a dumb zoomer who doesn't understand the game, it's like she didn't learn shit from her past vtuber life

>>48006936
Thread. Painfully boring with no outstanding traits. Being an onahole is the least of her troubles.

>>47947397
Bump