/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>47721410
Ame, she asked me to improve myself and I did by stopping watching her

>>47721410
Watame, I can't match her all night long streams

>>47721410
Ame, I improved myself and found an oshi who isn't a whore.

>Ame
A lot of fags are going to reduce it to "improve yourself" or the homocollabs but it's a bit deeper than that. It wasn't even the Tempus collabs themselves so much as the dismissive, passive-aggressive attitude towards the longtime fans who disliked them. I have been improving myself. In the time period that Ame was my oshi I graduated college, got my first real job, and lost 30 pounds. She wasn't really encouraging me or anyone else to improve ourselves, she was just being dismissive. And that's how it started to become clear how much of a bitch she was.

>>47721751
>>47721848
>>47722282
So many Ame
Who did you start watching now ?

>>47722282
>I graduated college, got my first real job, and lost 30 pounds
What job do you work?

>>47722282
>camera pans over the hill
>anon is approaching Las Vegas

>>47722450
yeah, approaching vegas like this

>Ame
>Male collabs
Hololive is free to do those and yes i know they are not fucking just because they collab, but still not what i want to watch nor i want from Hololive.
I just watch Fauna and Korone now because they stick to the content i enjoy.
Ame is still a really nice girl though.

haachama. the constant hiatuses killed me. I stuck through several but at some point you just cant take it anymore. I moved on to greener pastures and got an oshi that streams. still love the funny little lady, but I wasn't strong enough for her. I must have a thing for blonde retards, cuz the girl I moved onto is basically a slightly less schizo and slightly more retarded version of her

went from Ame because she would take random breaks come back after a week "I went to disney lol" and tummy hort + improved myself to almost Mori lean cuckbeats incident saved me to Kronii "Do you guys not have friends of the opposite sex?"

>>47721410
>former oshi
My love for my oshi is eternal like diamond

>>47723149
Why are retards like you attracted to cool girls that will not match your expectations?

I dropped NijiEN, HoloEN and most of VShojo after the Hogwarts Legacy stuff.
Don't wanna support those who're to afraid to stand up.

>>47721410
I don't want to name her because she's suffered enough shit anyway. When I found out she talked shit about a fellow mod in some private chat with her friends I didn't feel comfortable staying. I never even explained why I left because I couldn't bring myself to confront her about it. At face value she was the sweetest thing and I really would have done anything for her. It's been over a year now and I still can't look at chuubas without wondering how toxic they are in private. Maybe I'm just a naive retard.

>>47723215
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
now I'm happy with IRyS, wish I knew more about her before

>>47721410
Dropped Ame around this time last year. I was just bored watching her streams and the inconsistency and "potato" days became annoying. I pretty much dropped EN in general, really; the last EN stream I can remember watching was the Myth outfit swap April fool's day collab. Everyone brings up Tempus when they talk about EN being bad now, but I think it had become stale and hollow well before that -- it's just more obvious now to some people.

>>47721410
Ina.
The breaks hurt but also her gamr choice.
Elden Ring is unwatchable and then Pomemon happened.

>Mori
>shinigami note was mid af and she became a sellout clout chaser

>>47721410
>Mio
I found better vtubers to watch. Simple as.

>>47721410
>Ame
>Improve yourself/Tempiss collabs
Now I exclusively watch the chicken and my JP oshis. Feels good to be appreciated, feels even better when your oshi isn't a lazy whore.

>Gura
The lack of streaming + her changing her content/stream personality made me completely lose interest. I think I had a year & 1/2 sub badge but I couldn't bother anymore.

Now I'm a tempiss enjoyer bc they are actually competent at streaming

>>47723138
Mel?

Kiara. She made it. The indies need me more now.
Very proud of this chicken.

>>47721410
Ina, and it's for the exact same reasons as OP.
For me, it was during Elden Ring.

>>47723201
Based and same

Mumei
Boring

>>47721410
Moririn, she was my gateway to vtubers. Her inexperience wasn't a problem, I just got distracted by another pink woman on twitch, since livestreamers in general were still novel to me. The pink cat is funny and less restricted, so I started watching her. Then I became Pomu.

I still peek into Calli's streams from time to time and check out some karaoke, she's gotten into the swing of things

>>47722588
actually healthy view on malecollabs? on /vt/ someone pinch me

i was a casual hololive jp clip watcher before en existed, then started getting into en mostly ina, then dropped them all when i realized vtubers are more entertaining when you dont understand them. i now avoid all primary english speaking vtubers, find it too cringe

>>47726107
I'm surprised you dropped EN because you obviously don't english either ESL-chama

Ame. I liked her for a while at the beginning but then her passive-aggressive attitude wore on me and I kept feeling like she wasn't as passionate about streaming anymore. I could be wrong, but she really lost my interest.

Mumei.
Watching her fumble games made my image of her crumble with every VoD I watched. Then I saw green lady play those games competently with better commentary and I started watching her more and more.
Now I realize just how much I was coping in regards to stream quality, every leaf lady stream has been a joy to watch. I do miss the hooman threads sometimes.

I liked the purple dragon a lot but the combo of too much bathroom humor and her warped self-destructing psychology where she'll set herself up for failure to try and preserve her ego when she inevitably fails, then feel terrible about failing anyway and receive only non-constructive sympathy hugs every time, turned me off. I stopped watching around a year ago, seeing references to the same things happening again and again in the time since is just reaffirming.

>Former
Get an oshi who makes stuff for when they're away

>>47721410
Gura. When she was doing those karaokes, it was pure kino. But the endless breaks, bullshit excuses and failure to deliver on her promises just made me give up on her. Where's the second original song after Reflect that she was teasing would be released end of last year? It hit home when Gura finally had a member's stream and I realised I just didn't care to tune in.

>>47722282
Yeah pretty much this, i dropped her after the pokemon stream, wich lasted around 40 minutes and then she decided to stop playing and that she wouldn't be streaming the rest of the game, but rather finishing it on her own. I remember she said "If you want to watch the game you can go watch someone else there's a lot of holos steeaming it" so i went to watch IRyS and now she's my oshi

>>47721410
Gura because of the long breaks different content and lack of stream

>>47721410
She only streamed in Japanese. I couldn't understand what she was saying

>>47722588
How do you feel about Korone now collabing with males though?

>>47723374
just name drop so I don't have to support someone who does the same

>>47723347
Not everyone cares about Harry Potter, Harry.

Mori, her roomate

I'm surprised no one has admitted to dropping Kronii yet, she handled tempus collab controversies worse than Ame, or is it true that kronies enjoy cuckoldry

>>47723138
Management killed Haachama's character, she couldn't find any other special content and lost all motivation to stream

>>47730824
what's this rrat?

>>47726054
>healthy
Anon, he dropped his favorite content creator because she had collabed with boys like 4 times. A good attitude perhaps, and maybe healthier by vt standards, but still deranged.

>>47730648
I dropped Kronii like two months into debut because she never streamed. I imagine I would have gotten filtered by a bunch of other shit long before the Tempus incident. All I know is that when Kronii had her whole thing going on, I thought, “Cool, as long as you know what you’re doing and can anticipate the ccv hit.” That’s just how little I knew what her content was like by that point.
I tried watching some streams after the Tempus incident, they were shit. The Tempus collabs are unironically the best content she’s made lately, which is really bad on her part.

>>47731060
I’m fairly sure Haachama getting depressed about her entire arc getting ruined by management and losing motivation is a pretty widely known thing, anon…

>>47721410
Ina was my original a oshi back before even council existed.
Her game choice started to get abit stale, she streamed less and less and she never read superchats so it felt like she didn't cafe about her fans as much as I hoped she would.
When IRyS debuted I felt the same spark as I did with Ina and gradually just changed.
I don't hate Ina or anything, I still really like her but she just isn't my #1 anynore

>>47731203
I’ve seen enough threads discussing this phenomenon, and I’ve experienced it myself, that this is my rrat:
A lot of people were overlooking the fact that HoloEN’s content was getting kind of stale, and they weren’t intending to drop their oshi even if they did collab with Tempus. Then, when the shitshow started, even people who didn’t plan to drop their oshi over this got tired of the drama, took a second look, and realized they weren’t actually enjoying streams lately and just doing what they normally did because it was routine.
Inertia’s a real bitch, you know. And the holobox was good at maintaining inertia and making people stay even if things weren’t so fresh anymore. But one of the reasons for the holobox’s appeal in EN *was* that it wasn’t the kind of Niji/vshojo/twitch bullshit that EN vtubing has to settle for. That going out the door is l the perfect sort of disruption that would make audiences ask themselves why they’re watching HoloEN and reevaluate their content choices.

gura
got tired of her shit. Took me a while to end it all though

>>47731653 (me)
TLDR: I think HoloEN’s in this weird middle position that’s not good for them. The holobox unity got broken just enough to make lots of people leave, and the Tempus collabs are frequent just enough to annoy those people (I really don’t think that would be the case if everybody streamed more, but we all know that’s not going to change). But they’re not common enough (and they don’t involve males who aren’t Tempus) to interest the normalfags who watch Nijisanji or vshojo or twitch indies (also, most of those people are on twitch anyway).
Ironically, trying to claim Tempus is in the holobox just shat up the whole box.

>>47730288
She doesn't, retard. Having a famous, actual celebrity (who's married) on isn't the same thing as collabing with fuckboy e-celebs. No Koronesuki cared about her singing with a famous singer.

>>47731203
No man wants to watch the woman he likes have more fun with some other guy than she does with him unless he's a literal cuckold, femanon.

Mumei
Inconsistent and also become annoying

>>47731826
good for you
unfortunately I'm just too far in love with her to ever drop her
it's going to take something severe for that to happen

>>47721410
Amelia.
Its wasnt "improve yourself" or homo collabs. Its just hard to watch someone lose their passion and to be unable to find it for almost a year and a half at this point. Around July/August 2021 she had a shift in her attitude about streaming that ended in a small break. After that she never had her heart in it outside of a few moments here and there but it never got better it just kept getting worse. Shes under the kind of burnout you don't just get over. I waited to see how things panned out after holofes for a few weeks and I think I just figured its time to move on.

tldr: amelia, hard to watch a girl who struggles to do what she does due to burnout/depression

>>47721410

>>47732004
No man thinks like this unless he's deranged.

>>47721410
Kronii
I started watching other chuubas during her recent break and now I don't have the time to watch her much. I also don't like the rest of HoloEN much so there was nothing to keep me in the box until her return

>>47731826
You just gotta keep pestering her to stream.

>>47721410
I only watch for fun, no simping or cooming, so I used to watch Kiara for a year after she debuted, but her loud eating, voice and whining over dumb stuff filtered me in the end, it was becoming more and more unbearable over time. She's fine otherwise, funny actually, but those small things just made the whole thing annoying and tbqh I got bored with her after a year. Couldn't care less for the rest of EN1, they're even more boring than most girls I know IRL. Tried watching 1 stream from irys and EN2, but they're even worse. Fauna, Mumei are doing the "uwu I'm such an innocent cute girl Uwu" shit which I dislike so I didn't bother watching for over 1 stream. Irys is even worse since she does that, but adds the "haha I'm so innocent [insert sexual innuendo] xd but also I'm so innocent that I dunno what I'm talking about uwu" shit. I felt like a subhuman watching them, just watching that stuff felt demeaning and cringe. Bae is fine, but she's outside of my timezone so I never got into her. That left me with IDs. IDs seem fine, at least I like Zeta and Kobo, but honestly I was tired of women streamers, they're not that interesting and Kobo speaks mostly indo so pass. Watched a regular autistic twitch streamer for a year. Then tempus came along, I checked them out and started watching them, they're pretty fun, so I settled on Tempus (mostly Axel) and that one regular streamer that I was watching for a year for now.

>>47732295
No man or woman obsesses over cartoon internet personalities unless they're deranged. Vtubing is for the deranged and pretending it's not is disingenuous.

Pippa
I was really into small corpos and /here/ type chuubas in 2021, and Pippa was easily my favorite to watch from that year. But her big shift in content to react streams and YouTube shorts didn't feel the same for me. Im not an anti and I'm glad she's doing great, but I liked as the shy and funny country girl who played more obscure games. Not the FEET/Walmart shooter meme react vtuber who IBS retards flock to.

also the new fans she got from the feet stream who spam the catalogue over her are worst faggots this board has ever seen.

>>47721410
Kira, he went on to live an ordinary life with no suspicious activity whatsoever in Morio, Japan.

>>47721410
U really takodachi or just nijinigger Google pay army?

>>47732632
It's just live streaming. You can follow live streamers without going to the point of obsession. I've been having way more fun watching vtubers after I stopped taking it seriously

>>47721410
Gura, just recently

She was my gateway to vtubing, the extended breaks didn't help and in her latest Baldi's Basics stream it finally dawned on me that her heart just isn't in it anymore and she's just going through the motions because of contractual obligations, her "character" seems overly phony now too.

Since then I discovered Fauna&Mumei, didn't initially give them a chance because of the annoying voices but I got over it and they make pretty good stuff, also I think the fact they haven't hit the 1millie milestone yet is keeping them on their toes.

>>47721410
Ina. Her enthusiasm was gone after the first year and it was notable. I stuck around until she came back from her long hiatus.
No hate, I wish her the best but her heart isn't in it anymore.

>>47732632
Not me. I just enjoy vtubers because they're cute.
It's just like watching a normal stream, except the person and the voices are cute.

>>47732554
>Fauna doing the "uwu I'm such an innocent cute girl Uwu" shit
idk about this man i get it from the voice she does and insistence to never swear but you've got a double standard you seem to hate sexual jokes which is fair its low hanging fruit but then are critique them for not being edgy enough?
The fact that she actually streams and streams good game no less, the faith streams were great, puts her miles above the en lot for me.
people liking tempus is always beyond me i listen and can't help think wow your only motives are ulterior and your friends are just acquaintances.

>>47733676
>wow your only motives are ulterior and your friends are just acquaintances.
what the fuck are you talking about?
serious question, I don't get what you're saying here

I never had an oshi
I watch random ass vtubers from time to time and that's it
how does having an oshi feels like?

>>47730648
Teamates at least have decency to leave their oshi when she starts cucking them, Kronies are in it forever though, they want the korean goddess pussy

>>47733919
most people don't actually have an 'oshi'
they think they do but they just prefer a girl over the others, that's not what having an oshi is
an oshi is someone you are very dedicated to, something not too different from love

>>47721410
>Ame
She stopped giving a shit about streaming

>>47734153
Not really. You can call anyone you support and want to do well your oshi

>>47734214
that's not how the term works though

>>47732554
Did you really get filtered by the fresh bread arc

>>47733676
>people liking tempus have ulterior motives
Wtf you on about? I watch what I want and who's fun. Sorry for not liking Fauna I guess, but I hate the uwu cute act both IRL and when streamers pretend to be cute and innocent. I generally can't stomach that shit. Also her timeslot sucks for me as a yuropoor, I have shit to do and I have to wake up early pretty much every day. I like watching normal people that are funny talk normally and have fun. That's why I like some of the tempus guys and Albino. And no, I don't want them to be edgy as well. I dislike edgy monkeys like pippa and the likes. All I want is normal streamers that don't talk too much about topical shit and never touch upon politics while still being funny, that's it, and none of the ENs are funny to me personally. Everyone has different preferences.

>>47733676
Theyre all work friends, but people like Magni actively try to continue deepening his friendships by meeting with them offline. He's already spent time with Vesper, Altare, and Bettel. I'm sure he will want to meet more. They try to collab often and do interesting and goofy things together like WoW Wednesdays, that weird Wolf Simulator game, Ranching Simulator. Also, Shinri played Faith before Fauna, but I don't see you praising the game choices. Just seems like you've not actually tried to check out Tempus content.

>>47732554
Damn nigga I think you are just gay

>>47734447
>you haven't checked out le 200k boys club, shame on you
Can't really fault him for it, most people into vtubing just flat out refuse to give a chance to dudes
Bit of a sidenote here but I really really hate their designs, the pretty boy bisshi BL protagonist thing really irks me. They should give them more goofy and cartoony designs like One Punch Man dude or something.

>>47721410
Only girl I ever have then drop membership is Sava from Kawaii. I tried to jump on the train too early to be one of the early long time fan but a she kinda let me down at the end

>>47734668
That's on them for not giving them a chance. I don't care about the gender of the vtuber as long as they're funny and interesting. To limit yourself based on just their gender is pretty stupid and stops the person from expanding their horizons. As for their designs, again I don't really care. Not to mention Magni looks like Sid the sloth and Vesper has the pointiest chin in existence. In the same vein that a lot of female vtubers look cutesy, the men often get similar generic treatment.

>>47734866
>In the same vein that a lot of female vtubers look cutesy, the men often get similar generic treatment.
Exactly, men and women are different and appeal to different audiences. Girls have it easier because dudes wanna fuck them so the generic cutesy design works in their favor, dudes don't have that luxury and thus need something else to stand out.
Just because you're a bisexual gray blob doesn't mean the majority of people are. Giving them generic yaoi designs is kneecapping them from the very start because it pigeonholes them in people's minds.

>>47721410
>Sasaki
I really never stopped watching her, but after renouncing once I didn't want to commit to her too much anymore

>>47734214
>Not really. You can change the meaning of any word if you feel like it.
Yeah, but I'll call you a retard for it.

>>47734153
>>47734275
Aren't you the one that's mixing up terms? To me it sounds like you're equating having an oshi to being a gachikoi.

>>47730288
NTA but basically on the same boat
>got into hololive cuz of Korone
>watched Ame debut
>slowly realized she was my oshi
>dropped after a bunch of shit she did
>back to Korone, wouldn't call her my oshi but maybe one day could be
As for Korone's "male collabs". Those are completely fine to me. I kinda saw it like Fubuki interviewing Jared Leto lmao, I don't count that as a "collab". I have my own personal set of boundaries.

>Interviews with males
>Interactions with male staff (Directors, etc)
>Clearly professional settings like a studio
>Being part of a big promotional event with males
These are ok to me.
>Song cover with males
>Interactions through Twitter
>Appearing in chats
>Too many mentions
Those are red flags but not worth dropping, yet.
>Collabs with male streamers, ecelebs, vtubers
>Guerilla collabs
>Karaoke with a male
Those are bad, and worth a drop.
>off collab with males
Run nigga.

>>47721410
Marine
The only times I'm going to watch her is if she plays 2hu. EOP Ichimi get annoying with treating her as a coombrain.

>>47735283
yeah that's why i dropped Reimu from nijisanji, she bringed that weirdo vox all the time, it got old fast for me so i dropped her, what a whaste tho...

>>47721410
Shion. Very petty reason but I just hated how she used the same outfit every single stream and never used her witch outfit ever again.

>>47735120
I'm not bisexual. I'm a straight woman, and I've watched female vtubers for a while. What I enjoy about Tempus is that they don't lean into bfe. I never understood the desire to fuck a vtuber when they're just an entertainer. They probably are dating people. The design is the cherry on top, and most guys in Shonen anime have these types of appearances. It really doesn't matter. Their personality is why you should stay.

>>47735443
For me the worse part is the obvious change in behavior from the girls once they get involved with guys on stream. I know a lot of faggots here go
>omg this incel thinks streaming together means sex!!!
No nigga. But they do change their behavior and sometimes it bleeds out into their solo streams and more. Both Ame and Kronii haven't been the same since their collabs with Tempus started. Both did nothing for Valentines, for starters.

I think this is also a reason for Bae never being brought up in these conversations while Ame and Kronii are prevalent. Bae kept her content and behavior towards her fans even after collabing with Tempus, doing reactions for Stars concert, etc.

Bae does a collab with a guy where she just talks normally and then does a gfe asmr stream for her fans. Ame and Kronii did streams thirsting and behaving like scho girls for the guys and then stopped any sort of affection towards their fans and decided to go all in against "parasocial" behavior.

>>47735507
>woman
Did you really need to say this, nigga
>i never understood the desire to fuck a vtuber
Considering the state of your threads, I'm not inclined to believe you.

>>47723374
>fellow mod
you deserve it and worse, jannychama

>>47735507
>>47735507
>I'm a straight woman
If you actually are a biological woman and not just a tranny who took his larping too far that in and of itself is a diagnostic of the problem. You are a small small small minority of the audience, effectively a fujo. Giving them designs that appeal to the fujo audience locks them out from the wider audience.
>most guys in Shonen anime have these types of appearances
Nonsense, dudes like Goku or Luffy or Naruto or the kid from Hero Academia mostly just make goofy exagerated cartoony faces. The porcelain-mask barely-emoting faces are a yaoi thing and again, tiny portion of the audience.

>>47735938
It's relevant. You brought up bisexual gray blob, I clarified. I wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise. And you don't have to believe me. I'm in a happy relationship and don't need to be fed fake romance by a vtuber. I'm being honest when I say I just like enjoying funny, entertaining people, and Tempus brought a breath of fresh air. I will say I enjoyed Fauna's streams of Stray and Hitman. She's my favorite of Council.

>>47736113
>I just like enjoying funny, entertaining people
>Tempus
you just want them to fuck you, you nasty whore. go home to your boyfriend.

>>47725380
>Chumbie was secretly a faggot the whole time

>>47735854
>expecting Kronii to do anything for Valentine's Day
You weren't there last year were you?

>>47723374
>I have secret info that this chuuba is a snake but I won't warn my fellow anons about her because I still simp for her on some level
typical janny, doing it for free even after handing in his resignation

>>47736113
What does your boyfriend think of you watching Anime men lmao

>>47736168
Infidelity is unforgivable and disgusting. I just enjoy laughing at funny people. Bettel and Shinri made me tear up laughing with their collabs.

>>47736235
He watches with me sometimes. We share similar interests. He's not as into Tempus and that's fine. He watches clips nowadays because he's busy with school, usually of Fauna or other Hololive girls. At the end of the day they're just entertainers.

>>47736244
No one believes you. You’re a disgusting western roastie. Everyone here watches vtubers to get away from people like you.

>>47731203
its healthy to drop someone if their content isnt what you find appealing anymore anon. This is entertainment at the end of the day, not a cult

>>47736371
I'm sorry you feel this way. I hope you find someone good that you can share your interests with. It's all in good fun. Vtubers bring joy and fun times, that's all. Anyway, my favorite used to be Ame as I said before and then she got overly bitchy.

>>47736113
>you brought up
Wrong. I just intruded in your conversation. Not the one you were replying to.
>i'm in a happy relationship
Congratulations
>don't need to be fed fake romance
Many women in happy relationships still watch content that it's basically fantasies that will never be a reality. Same for men. Of course, they don't watch it only because of the fantasy aspects, but entertainment value as well. Same thing can apply to vtubers as long as you don't take it too far.
>>47736310
>he's not as into tempus
>fauna or other hololive girls
Interesting, innit. Male watches women entertainers more. Woman watches males entertainers more. Wonder if there's a reason for it, specially when both of you are heterosexual.

>>47736310
>He watches Fauna
Oh no... anon...

>no replies to this >>47736020 post
"""""Femanon""""" confirmed for tranny daydreaming about getting his bussy smashed by Tempiss

>>47736113
If your relationships going so well then what's the point in arguing on bait threads?
Jesus you anons act like this board isn't 75% femanons starting and lying about shit.

>>47737243
>Jesus you anons act like this board isn't 75% femanons starting and lying about shit.
allowing women onto 4chan was a mistake
we should have gatekept harder

>>47737365
yeah we need to start doing penis inspection at the entrance again

>>47737243
>femanons

>>47736645
Oh my bad, I thought you were the anon who I was initially replying to. I agree there are fantasy aspects to it, and in the end we all get something out of the content. I just tried to emphasize that I don't want to fuck them or be in a romantic relationship with them, though the parasocial part is sometimes it feels like I am hanging out with friends. Most of my irl friends are guys so it feels homey to me. And as for the bit about men watching women and vice versa, you're right, I think straight people will gravitate to the opposite sex naturally. I've always liked hearing male voices more, be it singing or speaking. But I think a selling point for Tempus is that they just seem like they're hanging out and not trying to get you to fall for them. People like Vox filtered me so hard with the cringe asmr.

>>47737243
Because I'm extremely bored at my job lmao. It's an office job that pays well enough but it's horribly boring. Hope to leave soon.

>>47724874
Hag Mio or Miori?

>still no reply >>47736020
quit feeding the troon's delusions, I bet he pitched it to cancel Pikamee

>>47737243
It can't be 75% femanons, because it's definitely more than 25% male SEAmonkeys.

>>47730288
You mean a legendary 70 year old anisong singer?

>>47732240
Yeah she was never the same after the break she had during the council debuts. I was hoping I would find a new oshi in council but none if them clicked with me. Turned out my true oshi was the fairy from the other company.

>>47721410
>Moona
The biggest piece of shit that happened in the history of Hololive, I was a fan of her from the beginning and was a white knight for 2 years defending her from the antis every time yabs happened, feeling the meaning of ultimate betrayal.
At least Azki and Aki still have empathy for their naive fans by never making up stories and pretending to deceive fans and not saying disappointed fans are toxic.

>>47721410
Kronii, just got annoyed by her never streaming. This happened before Tempus were even a thing as well, wonder how I would have reacted to that if I stayed long enough.

>>47736436
Of course it is. If their content has become unfun to you, it is fine to drop them. As you said, it's just entertainment, not a cult.
But If your enjoyment of your favorite content creator hinges on whether or not they're spoken to a male on stream before, that's just incredibility sad.

>>47734153
>>47735257
cataloguedekinais
lurk 10000 years before posting

>>47737656
No need to. Shit happens.
Guess youre mostly the exception then. The kind of stuff that rarely happens when the friends are actually friends. Unless you're lying, maybe even to yourself, without realizing it, but that's another can of worms that has (almost) nothing to do with the conversation.
And yeah, I do think there's always some level of parasocialism with any content creator, whether we want to or not. Even when we watch content creators of our own gender, it's gonna evolve to the "hanging out with a friend" feeling.
>vox
I think it's a bit unfair to compare the soft-bf (or gf) parasocialism sometimes found in Hololive with the kind of shit Vox does lmao. It's like comparing regular folks looking for a relationship with whores/manwhores. But yeah, I get your point.

Kronii
You know what happened

>>47738295
Wait what have I missed? I only really know Moona from the old Pekora collab stuff in Minecraft a billion years ago

>>47738295
Is this a joke? I don't watch her but I can't remember a single Moona yab.

>>47721410
>Rosemi
She became a lazy whore last year and shifted the focus of her channel from making content to coasting by and her "NijiEN family." All the while saying how she wanted to do more and spend more time with us while wage slaving.
Started doing my reps and am oshiless, but I like watching Mito, Marine and Bae.

pic related
after a year of guessing when next stream will be, I gave up

>>47721410
she decided not to use words to set my expectations for her, and instead communicated through her actions that she was finished with vtuber activities.

>>47738918
>>47738936
nothing, just shizos thinking actors behind the character must stay lonely and miserable forever - and complaining about them not breaking character

>>47739174

>>47739047
>started doing my reps
Very good. Better than just settling down for someone that doesn't respect your time.
>oshiless
's fine, you'll either come to enjoy one of those enough that they'll end up becoming your oshi or you'll find someone else.

>>47721410
She and Sana could have been my oshis if they did more art streams.

>>47739634
My main problem is their hours conflict with mine. I enjoy them all a lot. If I had to pick a favorite it might be Marine but I know she has dry spells cause of her throat and that is giving me serious committment issues.

>>47723138
its weird for me, haachama is great i just think everything around her that wasnt her just turned to shit. from coco gone, en being shit, management, cringe fans being cringe etc, just put me off.
ill still watch a chill minecraft stream or big events like sports fes

>>47721410
>never really had an "oshi" in the way people generally emotionally invest but i have had favorites i watch more than others by a fair margin
1st: had to boycott her company, independent of her behavior
2nd: started to lecture her audience way too much

>>47721410
Ina
Game choice and her grindset

she graduated

>>47737807
Miosha. I don't know any Mioris.

She's not my oshi but if you told me back in 2021 that Kiara would end up being my favorite myth I would have laughed in your face.

Also to this very day I regret watching the Ame/Gura podcast instead of my future oshi's debut.

>>47732554
>>47734395
NTA but I have no idea where you're getting the "uwu cute" thing from other than her voice so I'm just going to chalk it up to preferences. Axel plays up the "seiso" dumb himbo personality pretty hard but I don't see you complaining about that.
It's a shame because I genuinely find her to be one of the funniest ENs and I don't really find her to be cute at all but I know everyone has their filters.

>>47735854
>"Kronii is not parasocial, I swear it's the truth this time also I don't watch her" post number "I lost count at this point"

>>47721410
Same Oshi, same reason.
Found a cuter one who actually cares about her job and I am never going

Mori
her personality.

>>47738500
That's what >we call mentally ill people and also americans with their cuckold fantasies.

>>47732240
>>47738167
My theory about Ame's declining interest is that streaming was always going to be a temporary phase she went through in her late teens and early 20s, and now that she's getting older she has other interests that take priority like terrariums and all that shit. It's not actually burnout she's experiencing -- it's just plain old lack of interest.

>>47739047
Man it took me so long to realize I was hard coping and convincing myself her content was still worth it when it became clear her idea of throwing a bone to buds was playing a popular game, instead of the guerillas she used to do. Jumped ship to Pomu. I wish Rosemi well, but she really is a shadow of what she used to be.

>>47746114
As someone new to NijiEN her content seems fine right now. Hard to imagine she could have been so much better before, but then again she's not my oshi, just someone I watch from time to time

>>47726054
If EN managment didn't tried to shove
Tempus collabs down your throat with the abnormal amount of collabs, or release Tempus 2 before EN3, and the EN girls smarter in their handling, Tempus would have a much better reception.

>>47735283
Literally "it's okay when Japanese do it."
Get some fucking self-awareness, you stupid weeaboo.

kronii, mostly lack of streams.

I didn't mind the tempus collabs but the way she handled them and her incessant breaks with zero communication told me she didn't really care that much about her fans.

>>47721410
Mysta and Finana
I found more interesting vtubers to watch + Stopped being a homobeggar
Kinda sucks because I brought Finana merch and I have no idea what to do with it.

>>47746369
Yeah, no offense m8 but I think Rosemi is kept alive by people like you that find her cute and don't know her beyond that.
Some guy said it best, Rosemi is ideal for vanilla people who like the plainest things ever.
The attitude she had towards streaming was different. She had drive. She would feed off of talking to her viewers, she literally looked forward to streaming. Doesn't feel like it now, I think she enjoys but before she enjoyed to this sort of escapist degree.

>>47721410
He's been de-aged...

>>47746613
Everything is better in Japan
It is what it is.

>>47721410
Nene Amano, pro-choicer

>>47746613
"it's okay when the japs do it" and "thing: :/ thing, japan: :O" are the cornerstone of japanophilia resisting total normalnigger (You) corruption.

>>47741844
she will be back with Vshojo though

>>47747214
Now this is truly tragic

>>47747156
No offense but it sounds more like you fell out of the honeymoon phase and are making up reasons to justify why you no longer like her as much.

>>47732823
Same regarding Gura. If she doesn't care anymore, then I can't either. I feel she has been mismanaged and it's external shit ruining things for her, but that doesn't change the drain in streaming energy and associated drop in entertainment value. I'm sorry Gura, I hope you get your mojo back some day.

>>47737656
>most of my irl friends are guys

I wonder if a thread about anons sticking with their oshis through thick and thin and being grateful for it would receive as many responses as this one does. tv0tv

>>47747885
>cuckbeat finds a way to feel persecuted #142

>>47747451
No, I can tell you when the honeymoon phase ended, it was after she returned from her first offcollab with Enna Elira and Millie. That was when she peaked for me.
I don't know what point you're trying to make. You admitted you are a newfag, you don't know about how she has changed as she is not your oshi and you are new to her content.
Stop with this embarrassing psychoanalysis anon. Enjoy her if you want, I am not here to tell you or anyone else to stop enjoying her.
I am sorry you got triggered because I said newfags like you keep her afloat. If it makes you feel better even when she had a change in direction then newfags like you would pop up in /rose/ and spout the same banal shit you did about how they cannot understand people and how they HAVE to be wrong because they enjoy, time spent watching be damned.

Koopa

you know why

>>47748412
It was me.
The sex was mid honestly

>>47731590
i can relate
it doesnt help that ina pretty much retire

>>47748306
I apologize for ruining your strawman, but I don't watch EN vtubers and my oshi hasn't even been mentioned once in this thread.

>>47736223
Doesn't read like that honestly. It reads like a schizo post from someone who couldn't even face a chuuba to ask for the truth. And then you wonder why girls ghost so easily men.

>>47748412
She was never gonna fuck you.

>>47749095
I'm more disappointed in the lack of kayfabe and how she handled the situation. Her growth hit a brick wall after it happened, so I wasn't the only one upset about it.

>>47730527
This plus UMG. It's like she suddenly started double dipping constantly, it just got too demanding to stay a "true" fan. It's great that she challenges herself and want to try having a foot in as many ventures as possible, but somehow she doesn't seem to realize, or maybe doesn't even care, that it also means she's asking for even more from her fans. I still sometimes feel bad for dropping, but hearing a clip of her pity baiting and unironically threatening you for not blindly buying her merch because she apparently had her first taste of greedy numberfag higher ups getting on her ass just confirms to me I made the right choice.

I used to love her because she had this homemade vibe and she seemed among the few to truly understand just how impossibly lucky she was, but it's almost insane how quickly she shot past that and started living the high life. I suppose she was just investing what she got; she's good at living in the moment and looking forward, but the byproduct was her starting to take it for granted, as if she's already forgotten where she was just a little while ago.
>deadbeat, if you truly loved me you'd buy my blueray, or you aren't getting any more music
Shit like that. She has come to learn she has deadbeats by the balls. Any true entrepreneur would milk the opportunity dry, so I guess some would call it based, but it's just too painful for me to watch after having a taste of the alternatives.

>>47747214
Why do lack's holo kids hate their looks? His niji kids aren't like this

>>47749951
damn, you got timestamps for that?

>>47749951
Anon are you from an alternate reality?

I see that most of you don't actually have oshi, you are just fans. Oshi is about being really supportive for person/character/actress you like, not just subbing channel, watch it sometimes and send random supas. It's about being active in community/social media of person you like, supporting her with fan creations, sending feedbacks(not just supas) etc etc. Being on top of news about that person.

Also almost none of English speaking vtubers, especially holoEN can't be oshi as they are not even worth calling "internet idols/gamers/singers" they don't even treat streaming as a job but hobby. Hard to be fan of someone that don't do proper job at things it advertise...

Just look at most of japanese vtubers that drag them self over crappy schedule, deal with cancerous management and licensing, play games or sing even if they barely can do that or hate it just to provide entertaining for their fans. This is worth supporting compared to eg. HoloEN that act like spoiled brats: my tummy hurts I need more space for my feelings. I Don't play that types of games as I preffer to play them alone...
Don't forget that they get paid for that. If I was owner of company and my employee that work frome home and play games said that he need some time and space I would kick her as I have 10000 people that do their work if they don't "feel it"
Yeah some JP do the same but it's like 1/10 and mostly where probably hired due to personal connections and no one bother to get rid of them.

>>47750300
this isn't reddit we don't double linebreak here. go back.

>>47732649
Consequences of success, but there's other chubba like her, I think even sena gives a similar vibe as early pippa

>>47750300
>why won’t they just allow themselves to be treated like wageslave geisha bugs that’s what being an idol should truly feel like

>>47721410
I left hololive behind when I experienced the joy of having actual interactions with small, indie chuubas. I can't believe how much time and money I've wasted on girls that don't know me, never responded to me nor liked my comments and who live a much higher life than me. What the fuck was I thinking? Like donating money to a hollywood star, fucking lmao.
All this effort and I was nothing more than a number. Makes me wanna puke.
Then I went to a random small chuuba stream and had a longer conversation with her than I did with my oshi in two years. I dropped all of hololive in an instant and never looked back.
At least the merch was easy to sell.

>>47721410
Ame and same as this anon >>47722282
Male collabs are cringe but I was just going to not watch them because Ame had always been a saviorfag so I didn't think much of it, but then she felt the need to be a cunt about it with organizing them and doing love song duets
Especially since she placated goslings for a good two years up until then
It all felt far more like spite than just being welcoming, and with the 2nd Tempus gen and how she hasn't paid them much of any attention outside of debut it just gives credence to it
>>47722364
Ntas but same situation, I watch Fauna and a 3view indie now

>>47747238
t. doesn't live in Japan

>>47747451
Unlike the other anon that just had a meltdown, I can give you a more measured take.
Rosemi did indeed have a period where her out put was getting very samey and uninspired last year, and there were times that she admitted that she had ambitions elsewhere, like her talking about how she wants to go back to university. But this year she hae legitimately picked back up, with some of the kind of creative streams and cute animations that people enjoyed back when she started. Whatever was bogging her down last year seems to be passing.

>>47751656
>meltdown
Rosecucks to the rescue, huh?

I don't have an oshi because I get bored of vtubers too easily. Most of them don't interact with their chats, their gameplay is boring and their personalities are samey.
asmr has been the only consistent thing I consume from vtubers I guess

>>47747451
i'm just going to drop this driveby in the interest of helping all those involved. i don't watch her, i don't have a horse in the race. but i am in a lot of rosemi-adjacent generals/discords. the conversation about her changed a shitload over the last while and mostly by people who "used to like her" but now are put off. not, like, abject yab doing the laundry with fire put off, but lots of "i still have her subbed but i don't really watch her anymore.." types. so i guess i'm saying: i really don't think this is honeymoon, she did change

>>47732649
This. Pippa back when she started was pretty great but she screams way too much now. And the large chat makes it uncomfy. Good for her though.

>>47732649
Whats with your unprovoked attack on people with irritable bowel syndrome?

>>47748412
This. What was she thinking?

>>47732649
She wasn't my oshi but I share the sentiment
First year Pippa was my favorite, it was very endearing watching someone slowly come to the realization that things are actually going to work out for her and coming to terms with the fact that she has value as an entertainer
The shift in content wasn't for me either but it's working for her and I hope it continues to
I'm still membered and I'll check out a stream now again, and seeing her ccv I can't help but feel proud of her
Definitely gives that old friend you give a nod to vibe

>>47749196
I never really saw her have kayfabe

>>47732649
>>47752827
>>47753256
man it is such a relief seeing this shit. pcg is such an echochamber they can't entertain the idea she's changed, but i want to have that convo because i want her to do well even if i can't watch her anymore. i guess i want closure on it, not to make her look bad. it was rough especially around wizard game.

>>47750300
I will appropriate the word oshi and you can't do shitting fuck to stop me, ESL-kun.

Is it possible to have an oshi if I have never spent a single dime on anything related to vtubers?

>>47721410
I'll never forgive....I'll never forget....

>>47753832
Having an oshi has nothing to do with how much of a paypig you are.

>>47738295
The Real life Oshi no Ko
Married idols are cheaters

>>47754118
I see. Then my oshi is Gura, I guess. Never thought about it in depth.

>>47721410
Finana, I educated myself and moved on

Ina was my first, still like her but I now firmly believe in Okayu supremacy

>>47721410
Sana..

>>47757677
rekt

>>47737717
Kill yourself

>>47751060
If you don’t wanna work and just be another gay add streamer than just be indie you fucking lazy cunt

>>47753903
I hate her now because she’s a coward and a bitch. Good riddance

>>47721410
Ollie, played apex and killed her career

>>47751060
That’s not what that anon said at all. I assume most anons are at least a bit autistic, and what that anon said is fairly sensible if you account for it.
The only real criticism I’d give to >>47750300’s post is that it appears to be more of a chicken and egg thing that something that we can squarely put the blame on the vtuber for. EN audiences are also quite fickle—so many of them are tourists and EN streaming culture is so based around “show your opinion with your view, not your words” that of course vtubers don’t feel very attached to their audiences. It’s a vicious cycle.
But either way, dropping a vtuber because she’s “not your personal geisha” is perfectly fine. Still watching them and then bitching about it /here/ is cringe, though.

>>47746061
that was basically what I was leaning to somewhat with her break in 2021 giving her time to think shit over back then and realizing she doesn't actually enjoy streaming enough as something she wants to do for the long term. She mulled over getting the rest of her goals done this year that she set on debut so shes rather directionless now, hopefully she figures her things out and does what she wants because I enjoyed a good amount of it before finally choosing to move on after this month.

>>47721410
Ina, with all the breaks in the last year I've just lost interest in her. What is the point of investing time into watching streams if she is goona burn herself out again and go on break or fuck off to Japan and not stream at all.

You lot still upset over what your oshi said? Kek

>>47764318
yup, people are choosy about who among thousands of talking heads they choose to put on a side monitor, owing to there being so many that they can afford to be
funny how that works, huh

>>47721410
For the longest time, I don't think I ever had a singular oshi; I don't know for sure if I still do, but I do have a list that I did my best to watch streams for. Earliest I can think of are Ina, Calli, and Ame.

>Ina
I still like to see her now and then, but her sporadic schedule made me tune out my dedication.
>Calli
Similar to Ina, I still like Calli, but her constant peak Japan hours streams clashing with my new job made it difficult to stick with her regularly. I do manage to check in once a week or so, though.
>Ame
I think my consistency with Amelia dipped after the first year or so, though I really couldn't say why; could've been because that's why I started working so there was just a coincidence, but even with my schedule dialed back, I still don't jump at the chance to watch her. More recently, it sounds like she's lost a lot of her energy, I assume because it sounds like she seems to do a significant amount of the background work for Myth (if not all of HoloEN); like, shit management should be doing.

If I have a singular oshi now, it'd be Risu; I like her weird sense of humor and the juxtaposition between gremlin squirrel and angelic singing voice. She has a similar problem with Calli in that she usually streams during primary Indonesian hours, so I can't watch her live as much as I'd like, but I regularly listen to her music and will check in on VODs.

For those I can actually watch/listen to live, Nina Kosaka is my most consistent; I've also been dabbling in the E-Sekai girls to see who I align with the most (currently Pochi, Fuyo, and possibly Juna).

>>47764472
Did you have a stroke while tiping this.

>>47764660
There’s nothing wrong with the grammar, so I don’t know what your issue is. I understood that perfectly.

>>47764608
It’s pretty funny how you’ve basically summed up most of the actual reasons HoloEN is reclining that don’t have to invoke Tempus. HoloEN peaked at debut and slowly stagnated (with the process really starting a bit before Council’s debut). Tempus certainly didn’t help, but I wager the vast majority of people are angrier about them being treated as a substitute for an EN3 that the branch badly needs than the fact that they’re male themselves.

>>47764660
>criticizes wordy but correct sentence while making a typo and using incorrect punctuation
Day by day, the ESL hordes erode the anglo web.

>>47758791
No thank you. I'd like to not waste the one life I've been given by taking it. Spending some time to talk about vtubers while bored isn't that bad in the grand scheme of things.

>>47765482
Yeah, I don't really mind Tempus. They exist, they have fans of their own, and that's fine. I'm also not in the camp of hating the collabs. But they were definitely marketed wrong; I assume because HoloEN management wanted to get in on the Luxiem boom and figured part of their appeal was that Nijisanji has regular cross-gender interaction, so they kinda nudged Tempus into Hololive English itself instead of making HoloStars English a more distinct entity.

Though I have no hate for Tempus, I do understand some anons' issues with them, largely in that EN management mishandled their direct inclusion, like you pointed out.

But when it comes to HoloEN and me, it's really just that they (particularly Myth) seem to be either much lower in energy than they were in the first year or just poor/inconsistent stream scheduling; the former being demoralizing and the latter being frustrating.

>>47766381
I'm of the opinion that many of us loved the Myth girls when they debuted because they were the first major corpo EN vtubers. At least as far as I know. Their novelty and initial enthusiasm charmed a lot of people. With more EN options, it was clear to see that Myth wasn't actually that interesting or passionate.

>>47725380
Not a chumbud, changing stream personality?

Ina, mainly due to her terrible model, literal boy chest, mole, and Ina is an insufferable cunt.

OP should've said Teammates need not answer

>>47766641
That makes a lot of sense, because I do still like the Myth girls, but your reasoning may be why I feel I'm more entertained by the vtubers I mentioned in my initial post, particularly Nina.

>>47732554
Thank you for confirming my assumptions about homowatchers.

>>47721410
I don't have a former oshi because I wasn't that invested, but my "dropping ride" is something like:

Started with HoloMyth, it was all magic and rainbows until HoloEN new years 2021, which feels like it was a soft-disband ever since, I drop them early 2022 and pity the retards who stick to them after the shitshow that's HoloMyth 2023.

Council: Never cared about them much but I freaking loved Kronii... until after unlocking monetization she started taking way too many many breaks, avoiding Minecraft, debuffing herself and being a bitch in general, I dropped her before Tempiss and time proved it was the right choice.
Btw I fucking hate Sana because this bitch gave HoloEN the lead that they could get away with gigantic breaks and not streaming.

NijiEN: I kinda liked to watch them when HoloEN didn't stream, I didn't care about Luxiem since it wasn't their fault management pick that direction, the first burnout was the Covid Fungus discord shit talk, then the China pandering and dramas, then Iluna and all their Twitter gayshit and debut shitshow, then Finana's education, xsoleil was the point of exhaustion were there were too many but still liked Zaion and Kotoka... Then Enna Kyo cucking, the retarded Millie 4chan stream, then Zaion bullshit termination and subsequent back stabbing. And dropped Kotoka for shitting on Zaion.
Now fucking despise NijiEN with the exception of Rosemi.

Now I mostly watch JPs

>>47766641
I'm not big on any Myth girls but I'd say the lack of passion has a lot more to do with it than a lack of interesting qualities. Even Ina, who's always been accused of being the most boring in Myth, had her drawing streams. Every Myth member has had strong periods where they gave a shit, made streams with some effort behind them and streamed consistently, and if they'd all kept that up consistently they'd be the five most popular EN vtubers today. Their starting advantage was incredible.

>>47722282

>Hololive EN phones it in

If that hasn't been obvious my unfortunate pal, I'd hate to inform you

They're going through a slut-phase right now, it's competition in the most female sense possible[/spoiler

>>47721410
Selen
Her "silence filler" is either laughing or making fun of the game she's playing and the latter just made me completely disinterested over time. It's difficult to describe but it's like she was only playing games "ironically" and I found that oddly grating.

>>47732823
Call me niave, but I think fauna is getting everyone motivated again. The minecraft collab today was great from gura!

>>47736168
Bro, what the fuck is wrong with you, relax

>>47736371
You need serious help bro, she just said she likes watching vtubers, relax

>>47738936
>>47738918
Roomate stuff, you can put 2 and 2 together. I don't blame anon for dropping her though, I also hate being lied to

>>47739047
WTF happened with her? I'm holo ride and die, but watched her for a bit when maste rduel came out as I'm big into Yugioh

>>47766917
she only wants cheap and shallow gags now

>>47721410
ame wasn't my oshi but I was watching her the most, my oshi was jp but I finally gave up on the JP reps and said fuck it since her timeslot is shit for me.
>>47751468 is pretty much accurate, except I moved to small corpo, found some girls who actually give a shit about their audiences which had my new oshi and became friends with a different corpo 3view girl who genuinely loves her fans. gave me hope in vtubing again after hololive EN went to shit.

>>47721410
>Jon
>Sam Hyde forgot to pay the bills
risu is actually still my oshi, i just dont end up watching a lot due to stream infrequency

Haachama. For obvious reasons.

>>47776954
I watch Moomei now.

>>47721410
Same

>>47771925
>>47771996
Those reactions are expected. But hopefully our love for vtubers can bring us together. They've helped a lot of us with our boredom and sometimes our low points. I remember when Gura first debuted and she played that Chinese rhythm game... how fun it was. Good times.

>247 post
>150 posters
Not sus

>>47721410
>Smallish Jap corpo vtuber
She mostly stopped doing collabs. One of her best features was that she was an entertaining and skillful collab host. At some point the frequency of said collabs, even within the corpo, went downhill to almost zero that it is today. And I can only listen to her talking about her day and poorly playing kusoge and Eurotruck so many times. I still tune in like once a couple of weeks, but rarely stay for the whole stream.
t. watched her since 2020

>>47721410
Leona
She got TOO dry

>>47766641
>it was clear to see that Myth wasn't actually that interesting or passionate.
This

>>47754220
Seriously, go get psychiatric help or just go play atelier games.