/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>47659400
>Do (you) want to help the Holostars?
They can help themselves but they dont want to. They must change first

>>47659400
I want to help them but they're boring as fuck

>>47659400
no, I don't think i will

Another tweet: https://twitter.com/cawolsketch/status/1648197627941629954

>>47659400
The funny part is that none of those people will commit to anything that isn't just watching 2 minute clip on youtube.

>>47659400
>LITERAL Homobegging
How embarrassing.

>>47659400
I only know this guy because he can't resist shitting on NijiEN at every given opportunity. He's on his own.

Yeah, Uproar didn't do as good as they expected.

I think the Bossu is cool, but I'm not gonna help holostars. The girls already gave them a way of living, now it's time for them to pay for it

>>47659524
Fortunately I follow Vesper who rarely shills merch because he knows it's all crap.

Been a fan of Hololive and Holostars since 2020, I like both groups but usually dislike their collabs

>>47659400
> Holo jumps on hype created by first male wave of Niji by releasing three (2 EN and 1 JP) Holostar waves in quick successions.
> Unsurprisingly, despite all the attempts to push them and shoehorning interactions between Hololive EN and Holostars EN, they underperform HARD.
> Cover drops any attempts to give them any more proper support to cut down the costs.

Color me funny but I am not surprised and not sad. Holostars EN is mismanaged mess, used both by management and certain Hololive EN members to "show dem evil, bad otakus and unicorns!", which while gives them click on Twitter, scares away viewers from Holostars.

>>47659400
Western homobeggars only turn up to collab streams with holoEN, watch clips and upvote announcements about homos on reddit. They don't actually watch solo homo streams or even the girls. Let alone buy their merch.
Look at Mori's numbers these days, the only streams of hers that are doing good are homocollabs while the numbers on her other streams are in freefall.
No amount of begging will change this, pandering to EN homofans is a surefire way to destroy your viewership.

>>47659400
>So? Do (you) want to help the Holostars?
I stopped watching homoJP after their fans on /jp/ became insufferable.

>>47659400
There's only so much support you can do by yourselves. If people don't want to watch them, then just be happy anyone is, and that the chat is slow enough for them to read your messages.

>>47660210
at this point i think there's an actual audience for primarily hetshit now

>>47659400
nah

>>47660210
Why are you specifically shitting on EN when they're doing the same thing on JP side? Roberu collabed with Suisei, other guys collabed with Fubuki/Matsuri/Choco/Mel/Roboco/Sora too.

>>47660360
Matsuri, Choco, Mel, Roboco and Sora are some of the worst performers in terms of numbers in holoJP right now.
Suisei and Fubuki compensate by actually being talented which nobody in EN is. If anything you're proving my point.

>>47659400
I like Holostars but maybe they should try to do different stuff. It's not like they are starting from nothing either.

>>47660039
Axel still shills the merch but mentioned it's crap.
Also he teasered the change back in January. They knew about that very early on.

>>47660360
If you don't understand the difference by now I'm not sure anyone could ever explain it to you.

>>47660210
Don't forget how they had to extend kronii's merch sales deadline because her sales are truly embarrassingly low compared with her council peers. Wonder why twitter troons and terminally on leddit uo'pboaters yaskwenslaaay trash don't buy merch to support "their oshi"?
Shamfur Dishpray

>>47660039
His own merch was a teapot and cup set. That actually looked like decent homomerch ngl

>>47659400
They’re actually doing something which doesn’t involve leeching off hololive and their fans. They’re on the right track. Getting viral is all about the memes and old and new fan involvement

>>47659400
>>47660460
Just get them to do a ROFMAO type show. You can even rotate members so no one feels like it's that much more work. Everyone is so worried about Hololive collabs or outside collabs, but maybe these motherfuckers should learn to entertain outside their comfort zones by themselves.
And I say that as someone who likes Stars.

>>47660600
Too bad their memes are dogshit lmao

>>47660360
The major difference is that cross-group collabs on EN side are made clearly in bad faith, as a way to "own and defeat" an unicorn-shaped strawman that is popular to shit on by Twitter folks and HoloEN management. There's no substance to them besides being mean to like handful of people.
Meanwhile HoloJP cross-group collabs are usually attached to premiere of duet songs or are made because these people genuinely like and want to work together. There's no shitty Twitter fuckers begging for collabs because they must defeat magical horse.

>>47660651
Skill issue

>>47660651
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Zs-nl-GULfI
Honestly the boys should literally just be boys and do stupid shit.

>>47660660
>There's no shitty Twitter fuckers begging for collabs because they must defeat magical horse.
There are some homobeggars, but they're not that loud compared to their EN brethren.

>>47660664
They should try getting better then

reminder that cover fast-tracked this gen's 3D debuts

Curious on whether Astel's BGM will be affected by the merch change. He commissions and fully pays them himself, so the only cost Cover has for them is putting the pack on the eshop. It's basically free money

>>47660803
Nah, if they can commission it themselves without the involvement of cover , they probably can still do it. The problem with merch is that if they happen to be selling one, production will have to be changed to accommodate whatever shit that they want, with standardized merch, it would take less time and be less costly for cover and them. I hope the girls would also have these on top of their own specialized merch.

>>47660660
you are so retarded you should be studied

>>47660926
>I hope the girls would also have these on top of their own specialized merch.
Well there is that "starter merch" they rolled out a few months ago. Acrylic stands with stock poses, tapestries, badges and keychains etc. That kind of generic filler shit.

>>47660949
Shut up, Twitter faggot. You are reason why Holostars EN are failing. Be proud of yourself. Your will to kill a non-existing enemy scared any potential viewers for them.

>>47660949
Go buy more kronii merch lmao
You won't beat chud unless you pay

>>47661035
True because it has been very apparent with the fall of tempus 1. They had decent viewership, heck a lot of posters from hlg, hlgg, and #, were fans of the boys prior to the homobegging.

>>47659400
Reminder that this meanly because of th IPO. Meaning even if you hate Homos, you should care because they'll bring that to Hololive eventually. (you)r oshi will end up with standardized boring merch like Nijis

linking twitter should be an instant ban. At least make a proper thread.

>>47661150
is this why Haachama is dying?

>>47659400
Kris I know you are /here/ so stop with this madness already
You're not going to achieve anything

>>47661184
Nah Haachama's her own beast

>>47660452
Are you suggesting that Matsuri, Choco, Mel, Roboco, Sora and anyone else that doesn't maintain 5k CCV or some arbitrary floor is untalented as well?

>>47659400
Reminder this will happen to HoloEN too.

>>47661150
When it comes to IPO it is more profitable to graduate all homo than to standardize the merch for girls, so you know

>>47661347
where's your concert, ID bro?

>>47660452
Sounds like cope to me.

>>47661347
EN market makes similar profits as JP and you only have 10 girls, the biggest shitters after homos are IDs

>>47660452
Those girls still gets hundreds of thousands per merch run though

I like the JP holostars, shame about their low numbers but it seems a lot of them didn't do themselves any favors either. There's some of them that are just like Gura in the sense they stream a bit and then fuck off for who knows how long. I assume it's because they have part time jobs as well. Others, like Aruran, sabotage themselves. The fuck is his new model? He had the best holostar design with pizza papa and then he pissed it away in purpose. Uyu, a newer member from Uproar, literally actually pulled a Gura and fucked off way early on and it was apparently because he was helping at a family's shop. He fucked off to work a normal job then came back, weird shit.

The others are usually just not ambitious enough, honestly. They seem too comfortable in where they are and there's just not much going on with them. Roberu got pretty famous for collabing with a fuckton of people and just having crackhead host energy, he's probably the most well known out of all the JP dudes.

I can honestly say the same about the EN faggots. No one seems to care about what the fuck they're up to, until the usual suspects initiate Mori+Kronii collab #826658 and people talk about it for like a day and then move on from the YABBA DABBA DOO. It's a directionless branch right now, imo.

>>47660308
>People complain men and women collab
>Audience for heterosexuals

>>47661367
Why do you think both can't happen in a sequence? Once they graduate the homos how will they try to maximize profit next?

>>47661587
but the quoted post clearly implies that audience exists?
>They don't actually watch solo homo streams or even the girls.
>Look at Mori's numbers these days, the only streams of hers that are doing good are homocollabs while the numbers on her other streams are in freefall.
Do you motherfuckers even have a highschool education?

>>47660646
>Just get them to do a ROFMAO type show. You can even rotate members so no one feels like it's that much more work. Everyone is so worried about Hololive collabs or outside collabs, but maybe these motherfuckers should learn to entertain outside their comfort zones by themselves.

This is the elephant in the room. They never do anything that makes you want to check them out. For example, Marine comes up with all kinds of hilarious stream ideas, Pekora does minecraft shenanigans and arranges huge tournaments, polka even does offline skits. The female holomems fucking does stuff that makes you want to tune in. Meanwhile Stars just exist as dudes and needs charity to survive. They are boring, simple as.

>>47659400
>40k tweets
>followed by pippa
>follows bannedvtmemes
>comments on every bannedvtmemes shitpost
mentally ill

>>47661692
honestly this. When Tempus does something that’s worth checking out people DO watch them. Even Stars JP is able to get some viewers when they do interesting streams. at the end of the day it’s on the boys to market themselves better.

>>47661577
>aruran
I don't get it either. At least he puts in the stream grind hours though.

MY BIG NUMBER WILL SAVE MIYABI AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>47661866
Still not gonna watch.
Hell, fact that the only thing that vchewba is going for themselves is annoying psychofans on Twitter is a good reasons to not watch them. This guy is literally worse than dozen of actual Unicorns.

>>47659621
Based

>>47661692
One problem might also be the resources needed to make to actually realize an idea. Tempus also doesn't have access to 3D models that honestly give you access to a lot of options.
Don't get me wrong though, these problems could be solved just by tackling the problems that arise in the planning phase in a creative way.

>>47661866
I want to give Miyabi my big number if you know what I mean.

>>47661987
This would be actually not a problem if they would hire people with talent and something to show. Tbh that is what I liked in Myth - every girl had past experiences and something interesting going on and they were not afraid to show these talents.

>>47661599
homos can't sell 30% of their bd merch
girls sell it after 5 minutes, I don't see the point in standardization for girls

>>47660210
?????

>>47661720
>40k tweets
>barely 2k followers
I use the ratio of tweets/followers to judge how menhera/irrelevant someone is. No normal person spends their time shouting into the void, only mentally ill twitter freaks.

>>47662272
>500 viewers off being overtaken by Roberu

>>47662272
>9h vs 4h
>4h vs 1h
>Leech of suisex vs Indodog
Anon…

>>47661866
even sisters don’t watch Miyabi. At least talk about Astel or Roberu

>>47662399
And that was the HIGH point

>>47662272
>Le 8 hour stream vod views cope

>>47660646
>just copy niji
Yeah, no. Fuck off with that shit. Stars are better than that.

>>47662489
Normal numbers for superchat reading. Mumei had the same numbers for hers

>>47662399
?????

>>47662558
>Low quality views

>>47662534
No they aren't. Even Yagoo had to admit as much to shareholders.

>>47661987
>Tempus also doesn't have access to 3D models that honestly give you access to a lot of options.

Fuck man look at nijisanji budget streams too. They just make it work by game show streams with just avatar jpegs. making interesting streams has basically nothing to do with money.

>>47662272
Anon, the stream duration.

>>47661035
This.
I was partial to the homo until the twitter mob flagged us as the bad guys. If that what they wanted then that what they fucking got, a mob once propagate the memes turned against you, driving away viewers

This is why they're switching to Youtube shorts.

>>47662789
>us
>they

>>47659400
They need graduate Holostars JP, they're a waste of resources.

>>47662184
>>47662645
I completely agree, I'm not a content creator so I don't want to wall out of my ass, but if the boys sat down and started brainstorming they could definitely come up with something.

: )

>>47662959
now post gura and fauna, bitch :)

>>47661150
It would be easy if you have been doing standardized merch for ages like Niji. The backlash would be huge if they were to switch to standardized merch for the girls, people were spoiled by the variety merch.

>>47662959
kek Kronii is the best

>>47662997
Gura:

>>47662959
Damn all those viewers and Kronii still can’t sell her merch

>>47662959
You should buy her merch instead of shitposting here, Kronie.

>>47662959
40k from merch kek

>>47663019
When Rikka first mentioned it he made it sound pretty clear that this is more a punishment for stars because they’re now on a system where they unlock custom merch based on sub milestones.

>>47663064
I will when she releases better merch with less expensive shipping

>>47662959
You really think you did something there, troonie kek

>>47663186

Why are the starsfags trying to shit on EN? You should be watching Uproar instead or trying to save Aruran from becoming a 2view shitter.

>>47662809
tbf Gamma's been doing shorts for a long time and has found some form of success in them. Don't know why other JP's arent doing that

>>47663297
in their own words
>am I supposed to watch a stream im not interested in?
sisters admit most of the boys arent making interesting enough content thats worth checking out

>>47663307
An anon mentioned it earlier but most of them are basically set in their ways, they don’t really have any ambition to improve (other than Aruran whose flailing around thinking spamming Holo collabs will save him).
I don’t know why Cover hasn’t hired someone who is knowledgeable on channel growth to give guidance if wanted. Any retard could tell you that at least on the EN side, spamming decent shorts will get you subs.

>>47662483
Sometimes I see Miyabi having >1k CCV on holodex. His sub count doesn't do him justice.

>>47663020
KEK

>>47663406
I agree about shorts spamming. But, I feel it'll give the casual audience a reason to check the VTuber out. How the boys will give them a reason to stay? You can only do so much to watch the Holostars due to being a saviorfag but you're struggling to see how they entertain you and others.

>>47663297
Aruran really shot himself in the foot with the redesign. His old model didn't really match the aesthetic of everyone else, but it at least had fucking soul.

>>47659621
>he can't resist shitting on NijiEN at every given opportunity
Based

>>47663688
he thought it was his model that was holding him back. kinda feel bad for him that he has a reality break moment where he realized it wasnt the model it was him. I still miss the ojisan model it was a huge draw to why i used to click on his streams every once in a while.

>Support Holostars? Yeah I watch Magni and Vesper, sometimes I catch Bettel or Axel when they're doing something cool
>Holostars JP? Uh bro, I don't speak Japanese. They have women to support them, not my problem.

>>47663580
For StarsJP, they need to actually do some interesting shit instead of being the bog standard variety streamer. Network outside of Holopro and find a group who they can mesh with and join tournaments and make a good impression if able to (like Gamma and Astel).

>It's another people who don't watch Holostars talk about Holostars thread

Holy shit. Every single time these threads are filled with suggestions of shit the guys have already done or accusations about their content that are simply not true. At least do some bare minimum of research if you want to pretend to be managers.

>>47663783
Based. These are my go-to in Tempus as well. I'm sorry, I'm not going to watch those who I don't have any interest in, let alone StarsJP where I have zero clue what the hell they are saying.
(...I miss HQ collabs tho...)

>>47661692
Tempus is entirely capable of this, at least magni is. He's done the shit like Judge Magni which brought in 10k live views and had his christmas radio program. Problem with him seems to be lack of motivation and a fear of running a gimmick into the ground so he immediately drops it instead. I don't think any of the boys are boring, but they don't do anything different. They have the talent but don't step out of their comfort zone. Magni, Vesper, and Bettel could set up some hilarious shit and Axel would be great as a wild card just saying retarded shit. Hell Even Altare had his wheel of Tempus thing where kronii had to skinsuit Axel. They don't need her again but they could even try more game show shit.

>>47663926
>fear of running a gimmick into the ground
I think this is the bigger issue. People have flat out asked him to do another episode of it, and he just dances around it, "Yeah, maybe we could do that." Its ok to do a bit/show more than once without it going stale Magni.

>>47663926
You can blame Vesper for his yellow fever getting the better of him and ditching the homo group collabs for the gook then getting suspended, their unity has never been the same

>>47663846
nobody watches holostars. most of them are low 3views

>>47664038
I think it's more that he would want the stream to live up to the previous one and that's not easy to do

>>47664108
we don't care about your posts on another site

Even the lowest of low IDs manage to sell out their merch. What the fuck are homos even?

>>47663926
Magni suffers from Ame’s autism cause she hates repeating ideas even if they’re incredibly successful.

>>47664075
He's gonna have to get over that then. Shows, premises, whatever you wanna call em - they hardly do as well as the first time. Doesn't mean they aren't as good, or can't be better.
Speaking of collabs/shows though, when the FUCK are we getting more DnD? I really hope that wasn't a one and done deal.
JUSTICE FOR IRKY!

>>47664108
>I'm asking for more boys
POPULAR DEMAND!

>>47664181
Mori is doing a SQUAD one shot instead. Tempus DND dream is dead.

>>47664237
Is this true?

>>47664051
Then why are you here talking about them?

>>47659400
Funny how this guy was bragging over the leeching Collab with the girls now he finally noticed that the stars don't have solo power

>>47664279
She confirmed it in her superchat reading today.

>>47664279
unfortunately yeah

>>47664237
>Tempus DND dream is dead.
If this ends up being true, I cannot describe how sad I'd be about that. That stream and prerecorded series of videos was some of the best moments HQ has had together.

>>47664311
That’s because stars fan just realized that Cover was in fact not satisfied with stars numbers.

>>47659400
Remember to watch clips, the clip help the algo reach new people.

>>47664147
The homos do sell out their merch. No one said they didn't.

>>47659400
>(and no, the collab with hololive girls will not be the main topic)
But surely that will save them, just need some more collabs, try begging for Pekora or Miko to help the boys.

>>47664345
at this point Vesper has been normally collabing with Tempus again. I assume most of the boys have just naturally lost interest in continuing DnD except for Magni

>>47664327
Has she said/hinted at who is joining it? I'd imagine at the very least, Vesper is a lock. Probably Magni as well.

>>47664327
From doing archive reps it looks like it's going to use a system set in the wild west called GUN. It should be fun for a one-shot but it's not the same as DND

>>47664398
>at this point Vesper has been normally collabing with Tempus again
Has he been a collab with Altare since that L4D collab between all of Tempus?

>>47664450
Don't think so. While I do believe they have settled their beef with each other, I think its going to be awhile before we see a 1on1 collab with the two again.

>>47664397
That reminds me, Cover really pissed of HoloJP fans with their last minute overlap rule for 3D and new debuts for Holostars.

>>47664450
nah. he's only been collabing with Magni and Axel for HQ and VG guys like Bettel Flayon and Hakka.
He's actually shown more interest in collabing with Shinri one on one than with Altare so I assume theres still something going on between them.

>>47664540
the stars were also in the top one

>>47664508
I do find this rule pretty silly. The overlap between the two sides is...not that large. Its pretty obvious when even the lower end of HoloJP numbers are sometimes 3-4 times larger than some of the best of StarsJP like Astel or Roberu.

>>47664508
>for Holostars

The overlap rule is for everyone. The timing resulted in Holostars getting the brunt of the hate for it.

>>47664540
its like the wnba vs the nba..

>>47664540
Thats a pretty damning image there. Shiiiit.

>>47664627
Yeah, Cover doesn’t really do the Stars any favors when they keep putting them in positions where they’ll get hate.

>>47662272
Stream duration is a thing anon.

>>47659524
what's so bad about standardized merch? merch is merch

>>47662959
Kronii has the troon audience

>>47664627
Yeaahh.. Because holos will benefit SO MUCH from not having a few 3views overlapping them.

>>47659400
>you don't have to support them
>but here's why we need to support them anyway
what? also, you can't really force this type of things. if they can't get popular despite all the previous support they got then there's either something wrong about them or what they're doing

>>47662959
Her own 2.0 getting beat up by her minecraft gameplay and almost the same as IRyS playing the councilRyS game, you gave the answer

>>47664836
Means Cover will take a bigger cut since the talents wont have the excuse of coming up their own ideas/designs for the merch. There's a reason why Kuzuha tells his fans to superchat him more rather than buy his merch.

>>47664976
ah alright, it's just weird because the EN boys are doing fine compared to their JP senpais

>>47661326
/#/ causes brain rot. Please understand.

>>47664836
StarsJP losing custom merch due to poor numbers. Standardized merch outside of that is just merch that will be always in stock at the store, which is a good thing.

>>47664853
Pekora said what they were told, because debuts are "once in a lifetime" moments.

>>47665051
It's not. Rikka and Temma's standardized birthday merch are both made to order and will still take 5 months to ship.

I am watching both stars and holo, mostly my oshis, but other streams that sound interesting too, but I won't dedicate my whole life to giving starsjp pity views,likes and comments. Starsjp fans shouldn't only beg the existing homo fanbase, but try to get new people interested. I hope stars get their shit together and start doing things besides gaming and zatsu streams. Same goes for tempus to some extent, but for some of the boys I at least know they have things planned so I'm more optimistic.

>>47664293
Because talking is free, watching is not. You better thank me for even mention them for growth.

>>47659400
>how to support holostars and why it’s important
It’s important cause this faggot wants to audition… that’s it, 90 percent of people like holostars not because they watch then but because they want to join them someday

>>47662959
Funny thing is, kronii birthday merch doing so awful that they need to extended it duration, turn out having view and ccv doesn't matter when they can't sell merch.

>>47665163
this is me. I pretty much only watch Vesper and a couple girls with dedication. maybe Magni when he streams something i like which is 50/50 so i havent invested too much time into him.
most of the boys just need to do something interesting to get eyes on them.

Even Altare had no issue getting 4k on an MRE testing stream which proves its not him the boys that are a huge debuff but the content they create.

>>47661326
No but they collab with males, which at this point, we can safely say is viewership poison, fans leave when you do that and that’s just a fact

>>47665444
You can't stream buff content all the time if you stream 5+ times a week

>>47665430
Not only that, Kronii pretty much confirmed that management is breathing down her neck to shill her merch for the next two weeks.

>>47663400
>most clipped
Is this a new cope?

>>47663783
>>47663846

>>47665576
I rarely see Magni clips unless its him in collabs in relation to other boys
who actually is the most clipped among Tempus anyways?

>>47659400
Why do they draw them like woman even effeminate looking girly-men in those poses? Why can't they draw them like actual men?

>>47664420
The SQUAD

>>47665712
According to Holodex: Altare > Magni > Axel > Vesper > Bettel > Hakka > Shinri > Flayon

>>47665059
We know and cover are still retarded, that fact doesn't change.

>>47665826
damn maybe clip views really dont translate into ccv as much as sisters claim they do

Male vtubers are a lost cause, they will never be more than a niche.

Look at anime, nearly all big slice of life/comedy got a full fermale cast for a reason, is all cute girl does cute and funny things and all that can also be done well on gaming streaming.
Last year biggest anime was bocchi the rock and the MC was 100% aqua persona, hololive girls ARE anime girls and that's the reason they are big.

Males can't be shit, you can't pull off a goku or a naruto doing gaming streams, you can't even really do the male comedy tropes like chomartie.
All a male can do is being gay for the niche fujo market or be some "normie tier dude with a anime avatar" in a huge network like kuzuha, and that can only work in japan.

I haven't watched Aruran since he changed his design. It's a shame really.

>>47666025
Then you never actually cared.

>>47665826
I can understand altare and axel because of vsaikyou, but i doubt they will be on top for the incoming month. So it the usually magni and vesper then.

>>47666103
I didn't care, I was just passively watching him after he had a stream with Rene.
But the new design was bad enough that I never went back.

>>47659484
Into girls?

>>47659400
They don't need help.

>>47666103
cared more than stars "fans" that never actually tune in to watch the boys but beg instead

>>47665984
That's stars coping right there. Go tell that to Fuwa Minato, Kuzuha or Hayato kagami...

I like vtubers with shitty numbers, but I don't blatantly lie just like this.

>>47666354
Nijisanji is the only place where Male vtubers can be huge outside of a few notable exceptions. They somehow managed to get all the people interested in that demographic completely monopolized.

>>47664836
Someone post
>nijimerchvsholomerch.jpg

>>47665826
>Altare is on the top
I suspect Kobo's buff becomes one of the factors.

>>47666524
yes. most of his clipped moments have to do with Kobo

>https://twitter.com/moonahoshinova/status/1648660889447575552
>https://twitter.com/airaniiofifteen/status/1648667354828800001
A-are those specialized m-merch??!!! Kris the Shartsimp don't look AAAAAAIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE How can yagoo do this to us fellow sisters I'm going loco in the coco AAAHHH Tasukete Dramatuberman

>>47666719
STANDARIZED BAG!! DUMB MOONAKEKS

>>47662184
I mean you can't say theyre all untalented, like i'm pretty sure Magni has more to show than most EN girls (Just look at his rm)

>>47667226
Magni and Vesper are good hires. Axel too if you care about his ability to produce covers. The rest are just filler vtubers

>>47659400
>>>/lgbt/

>>47664108
I watch vesper, magni and bettel all the time, the sisters are delusional, compared to nijiEN they are way more entertaining

What sis meant to say is that they aren't parasocial with them

>>47666719
To be fair, that faggot clearly said it was just HoloStars merchs there

>>47667226
If you are talented as an entertainer, you will become popular, or at least do better than being 3views

>>47670831
this. xQC is the most talented and entertaining streamer in the world. he's twice as entertaining as pekora.

>>47670915
xqc is the closest to the truman show people will ever get that's why he is very very popular

>>47666239
I checked the comments

>>47664397
Reminder they had their 3D lives 6th months in AND already have alt costumes too

Meanwhile you have Aqua not being able to do a 3d live for her BD because studio was booked. A lot of girls doing theirs months after and even more choosing to do variety shows that are MUCH less popular instead.

>>47671259
3D lives are a waste of time. Pekora proved that game tournaments are more popular. The puyo puyo tetris tournament got higher CCV than ANY 3D debut or 3D live in the company's history.

>>47671017
>>47666239
They were all saying the right thing at the start about how they wanted to make Holostars stand on their own and so on. Then they started leeching the holo girls and collabing with all the twitch indies people hate ….. Tempus2 were never given a chance because of what Tempus1 did.

>>47671334
Nevermind that, even the metronome tournament earlier this year at 178k got way more than any 3D live besides the new year eve one.

>>47659621
How does that even make sense? Holobronies only hate NijiEN because it has men in it, and they typically hate Tempus for the same reasons. Why would they wanna support Holostars, of all things?

>>47671395
Tempus 2 got fucked by Tempus 1 attitudes in addition to the lack of an EN3. Homobeggars looked like complete hypocrites cause they cheered for Tempus 2 while simultaneously saying that there’s too many members already to justify EN3.

>>47671498
The guy in question is a company tribalist, unlike the male haters that are the other NijiEN antis.

>>47664836
It is a sign that cover is giving holostars a lower budget because making standardized merch with small changes for each talent is way cheaper then giving each of them personalized merch that won’t even sell that well in the first place
>inb4 muh holostars merch always sells out
Yeah because cover makes like 20 pieces of merch each time, they don’t produce as much for stars as they do for the girls because why tf would they? sense would make no sense

>>47663806
Rikka joined the tournament and was liked by people too.

Don't mind StarsJP, they stay in their lane and let girls approach them first. StarsEN invade girls chat unasked and have their homochills beg on reddit for MUH collabs with girls that clearly dont want to... sick

>>47671498
Because he's a weirdo with no conviction or values. Just a mere sheep that follows a brand.

>>47671955
ok ken-sama

>>47665162
There’s a huge difference between having custom merch and having standardized merch with customizations… for instance you may get a keychain for each of the talentd with the members of holostars swapped out, unlike hololive who gets unique merch every time which only they are selling, like gura’s hand bag and ina’s ramen holder, etc etc

>>47663400
What site is this, I've seen screenshots from it posted a couple times now

>>47659400
I simply do not care about Holostars. I hate its performative dopamine-addled activists like this guy.

>>47665444
>bragging about peaking at 4k their first handcam stream
My guy… that is terrible for their first handcam stream, that is a massive buff and he only got 4k? That’s it? At this rate, the tempus 3d debuts won’t break 5 digits

>>47661150
Uhh no they won’t… holostars got this because they have no fans and it’s much cheaper to do standardized merch for these borderline 2views… unlike hololive which actually has fans who are willing to buy unique merch on a regular basis

>>47672140
im not exactly bragging just saying that theres a world where even Regis can get 4k views watching him if he does some kind of appealing content. thats obviously shit for a handcam stream but people still tuned in

>>47671955
this

>>47661599
I’ll take that trade, standardized merch for holos if it means homostars goes under, that sounds like a fair deal to me, let’s do it!

>>47662272
Yeah except mori used to be significantly more popular then fauna and virtually every other girl aside from gura and maybe kronii. Even if they’re getting the same numbers now… that means mori still declined significantly while fauna is doing just as well as she always did
>oh and also check the stream durations, topics and collab partners… mori is mega buffed in this example

>>47662558
This isn’t a flex anon… if they had the same CCV but mori got more total views, that means that mori’s fans were joining the stream, leaving shortly after and were replaced by other viewers, whereas roberu actually retained his viewers for the duration of the stream

>>47662959
Ok let’s look at what kronii is streaming
>game that has to do with her theming of time, themed games are always a buff
>2.0 debut
>minecraft, which kronii was known for thanks to the bunkeronii
These are all massive buff streams… and even then… you realize she used to completely fucking mog the rest of her gen right? She used to be a 5view who blew her genmates out of the water. The fact that they get comparable views means that kronii fell off hard

>>47672805 (me)
And hell, in regards to the themed stream, mumei also has one on there (civilization is a buff cause she’s civilization themed) and it did better then kronii’s themed stream (and kronii’s stream was 5 hours which buffs that stream even further)

>>47672805
2.0s aren't a big buff when it's just a digital clock on top of her head and starry eyes

>>47672805
I think that the behaviour she displayed is a big part too, even those people that are not "guilty" of being gachikois were taken back by her statements. At least it is that way for me... when anyone says "don't like it don't consume my content" then I generally stop paying attention to them, it does not matter if im in the adressed group, I could be next time, and clearly the content creator doesnt care for their fanbase

>>47672805
Yeah Kronii was being labeled as Gura lite back then. The fact that none even have 1 million subs lies on Kronii because one star can bring up the others if they try….we have seen it before

>>47672805
i do remember a time where Fauna was seen as the runt aside from Sana. How times have changed

>>47672924
Seems like you're part of the problem if you interpret "Please respect my decision to collab with whomever I want" as that.

Ouch

>>47661150
No they won't, they only happen to homo because they failed to reach subgoal. Even iofi get a custom made jacket. Also by the fact that most tempusfag wouldn't even watch starjp would tell you how disconnect their fanbase is unlike holofag which watching all branches.

>>47673034
You already feel the effect of the IPO with how much pointless merch HoloEN has been releasing lately. They didn't use to have merch for outfit reveals

>>47659400
reminder that this faggot nigger was one of the people attacking chumbuds for asking Gura to communicate more

>>47673022
Why did he spam mv...

>>47673034
He is coping. I’ll be honest, I didn’t believe the numberfags with their merch numbers at the start but Kronii’s being extended after they were boosting how shit it performed made me rethink. If all the Tempus Pantsu and voice packs really only made what Kiara did with her Thermo mug ($50kish) then that’s a big oof.

>>47673122
>more merch is bad, the girls making more money is bad
What a shit arguement.

>>47673122
Mumei’s berry pendant is still multiple times better than Niji merch. Those throw away gatcha concert Buttons/badges is what Nijis get for their fucking BDs……

>>47673122
The girls get good cuts from merch so I don't mind. More merchs = my oshi and her friends fare better and I get something useful.

>>47673493
More power to you if you want to pay for it, but I'm not going to pay $25 in shipping for just a keychain even if it's my oshi's merch

>>47673935
Most people bundle it in with other merch, that’s why the first and last day are the highest volume days.

>>47659400
Sink or swim, if you can’t stand on your own you deserve to die.

>>47673151
Birthday project, he did a vn with multiple routes and also made a cover song for each route.

>>47671334
>>47671486

Lol, a top girl 3d can sell a million in merch + chat money and sub.
Tournaments give you... ccv.

3d bring the money, tournaments are just marketing.

>>47660196
Knowing cover they will absolutely double down, how? a fucking mixed gen, they'll think ''OH if we debut them together with some girls then maybe the fame will rub on them!!!!'' the future is blight.

>>47673822
While i agree, there is a chance that they don't get that big of a cut from holiday events and small acrylic things, as those seem to be made by just cover without the input from the girls. Which is fine, have them both run in tandem, you will sell more merch and make cover money, and keep the girls wealthy from birthdays and anniversaries.

>>47663846
You're on a site of dekinais and a board that talks way too much, what do you think will happen.

>>47660949
DIY

>>47662959

>>47661035
Fucking this, I was rooting for magni and liked vesper, but then everything became ''FUCK THE UNICORNS HURR DURR'' and even some Hologirls played along on that shit. What did you call it? don't like it don't watch it? well color me surprised....

>>47674570
Irrelevant

>>47674236
this time for sure, sis

>>47674724
>i-it doesnt count

Can unicorns on /vt/ stop calling them leeches now? Holostars and Hololive clearly work from different profit margins.

>>47660360
It's ok when Japanese do it.

>>47670715
You don't know the meaning of the p-word.

>>47661150
>they'll bring that to Hololive eventually. (you)r oshi will end up with standardized boring merch
The CCV and membership numbers are far too high with holoEN. I would guess that most of Tempus will be good until Cover releases Tempus 3. There is a reason that holostars are the only talents that have talked about the standard merch.

>>47675006
Your point, nigger?
Suisei still has 3rd highest average CCV per stream.
Go be fagicorn elsewhere

>>47675457
Won’t know until Friday when it’s Hakka’s bday but it’s possible they’re giving them at least their first run be unique merch to be fair.

>>47674734
Nigga i'm against it 100%, but let's not put cover retardness into doubt when they decided to axe EN3 for tempus and vanguard, even fucking kobo who used to get 10k per stream lowered it to 3.5k because she decided to own the unicorns mori style when people didn't even have an issue with her collabing with altare.

>>47660210
I will never listen to retards on this board who always who spam "PINK WOMAN NUMBERS FREE FALL" because it's literally the only thing you try to use. You get made fun of in /#/, break containment, and spam it in global, the catalog, and random generals

>>47660210
Your oshi will never let you control her life, delusional unicorn. She's a grown woman

>>47675861
>pink woman numbers free fall
>Miko doesn't get gold one day
>OMG LE FREE FALL LE SLIP
kys

>>47663846
So they’ve already done all they can to improve and get views and they are still runt shitters? Might as well disband the branch. It would free up more studio time at Covercorp for the people in the company that actually have fans.

>>47664147
Isn’t Cover retarded with their merch? All of it sells out very quickly as they only have merch for limited periods during special occasions right? I know that’s changing, but I imagine all holomerch would sell out under this FOMO model bs. I don’t numberfag the merch, are there even guys or girls in cover that fail to sell out?

>>47665019
This post IS about StarsJP though

>>47676234
No most of it is based on preorders except for ID

>>47676234
The hand signed artwork is what gives it the FOMO factor. One reason is because fans want it of course, second reason is cause scalpers can sell the signed copy itself for hundreds and then sell the merch for double its price later down the road.

>>47665826
Does Fagyon even contribute to anything? Does he have value at all? He hates unicorns, shippers, has the worst superchat and merch sold and only plays his kusoges

>>47664181
I will never watch your fags but you are right. If he’s always afraid that his next show or gimmick won’t be as good as the last then he’ll always be crippling himself. Goes for anyone with that kind of mindset really. He’s not running a prime time TV show, he doesn’t necessarily need to up the anti or get a bigger budget for these kinds of things per episode. Fans of anyone, guys or girls will appreciate honest effort. And even if his next show was worse, it’s not like the one after that couldn’t be an improvement. Smh my head

>>47676464
Axel actually had worse sales than Flayon if the merch leaks were to be believed.

>>47676342
Unless you can’t reach the minimum required to place an order like Kronii, then they have to keep extending it until they get enough preorders. They won’t even fire up the machines for such a pitiful amount, they would actually be losing money by not being able to fulfill real order. Having worked with semiconductors they wont just run the machines for 5 wafers, all manufacturers operate like this.

>>47676511
I thought catalog/Kronie faggots said # faked that?

>>47676631
> fulfill a real order

>>47664627
Shouldn’t have aired the rule before the failure branches debuts and done it before JP7 or something instead, at least then like 95% of the fanbase would understand they’re being waylaid for a group they might actually bother to watch. Doing this before the homos debuts will make some people feel like they’re forcing the main attraction of the entire corporation not to stream so that you’re forced to tune into people you’d otherwise never watch. Lmao it didn’t work though people will just tune out for the day stars are that unappealing to the box LOOOOOOOOOOOL

>>47676658
Some Kronie had a meltdown and started spamming fake numbers to try to discredit it. I think someone sent them a waybackmachine snapshot as proof (Cover had quantities stored in plain text in their source code).

>>47674724
The only irrelevant thing discussing in this thread is Tempus, with this recline that they try to mask with non-stop raids

>>47676818
It didn’t help that Pekora addressed it on stream and she didn’t seem happy about having to delay her regularly scheduled stream for a homo.

>>47676631
If an order isn’t worth enough they won’t run the job because it’s not worth it to retool the machines just to make 5 plushies and the then change it immediately. It would be like having the machine out of commission for a day just to make $50. Those machines run 24 hours a day and you have to recalibrate them for each order.

>>47676994
Based Peko.

>>47666103
Retarded take. Half of the reason some of these Vtubers even get a pity click is because the anime avatar looked appealing in some way. If my Oshi replaced her model with a pile of shit or a cockroach I would stop watching her too, even if a lot of the time I’m not even actively looking at her stream. I’m not going to have shit up on my second screen. Aruran’s new model is shit.

>>47675590
>>47660360
>>47675006
Suisei doesn't do GFE. Suisei doesn't do it to "own the haters". Roberu is not an unsefferabe faggot.
There is a difference.

>>47670984
Someone needs to convince Chris Chan to start live-streaming while on bail. I always imagined him as the closest thing to a Truman Show personality

>>47671259
Cover is retarded for wasting studio time on the boys over their most popular girls. Simple as that. The only thing more retarded than wasting studio time on the 3views is the fact that cover is incompetent enough to create waiting lists that are weeks/months long for studio work.

>>47675935
Damn you sure showed that strawman what's what.

>>47676967
>more useless graphs
you're not smart enough to interpret that graph properly, sorry

>>47672945
Kronii is a bitch for treating her entire streaming career as some embarrassing thing. Holier than thou too cool to be doing this bullshit. Look at how she drags her feet even shilling her merch “my manager made me” Jesus Christ we get it, Kronii. You’re too good to be here doing this, you are better than all of your coworkers. Surely

>>47677382
>The truth is just a plain picture.
Cope harder, infographically illiterate retard.
https://streamable.com/zb4wru

>>47677535
All your graph shows is that Tempus2 is not as popular as Tempus1

>>47677610
lets be real, we didnt need a graph to see that fact

>>47677633
That was my point

>>47677610
>trending down
They hurt the entire industry with just their presence alone. Everyone that collabed with them is now dragging down their respective Gen’s averages.

>>47674734
Nta. But this company was already retarded enough to waste over a year and a half on 3views that have to fight for their lives to reach kiara on her bad days (outside of homocollabing). If they were retarded enough to waste all of this time, and do all this shit then I think a mixed gen isn’t too far out there.

>>47677696
This is what numberniggers actually believe kek

>>47677696
so does Tempus matter or do they not?

>>47677778
They are trash, and the more people in your Gen that collab with them with worse the average gets.
2/5 for Myth
2/4 for Council
Gura and Ina have to carry dead weight like Mori and Ame.
Fauna and Mumei have to carry dead weight like Kronii and Bae.
Council is 50% cocksleeves so the damage is more significant.

How do some of you care way too much about this and use absolutely anything to rationalize your views?

>>47677610
True
Tempus1 fans tabs out as fast as possible every time someone from Tempus2 get a raid

>>47678003
Project: Hope is 100% pure so her average would be above Council with 7k CCV.

>>47673007
no tranny
you are the problem
but you solve yourself just a matter of time

>>47676994
Isn’t she queen Numberfag? I imagine she would be the most pissed. From a numberfag perspective, she’s a top dog having to wait weeks so some 3view shitter can get a livestream into the mid 4views. Just from the numberfag perspective alone, her doing a regular stream is worth more than almost the entire stars branch. And she has to wait/delays streams for these same failures now too? Not only are they fucking up studiotime for the girls people want to see, they now air a rule that has only benefited the coffee stains of the corporation.

>>47678112
Troons love Tempiss because they get acknowledged as women by desperate men just by saying it online. The larp runs deep with those freaks.

>>47678106
Irys has a 5.2k average in the past 15 days I doubt it gets up to 7k for the past 30 days

>>47678254
Tempiss are the only losers that will validate their made up gender bullshit.

>>47678275

>>47678380
I'm not going to do the math but from eyeballing those values it looks like slightly over 5k average

>>47678275
Weekly averages

>>47678526
That's not the same metric at all

>>47678503
You just admitted you don’t understand averages. Great job.

>>47659400
Shinove died for this

>>47678380
Cont.

>>47678082
if the tempus 2 being raided isnt Bettel they tab out. Bettel is an honorary Tempus 1 member at this point and only because he's Magni's hot accessory

>>47678614
I did the weighted average for her past streams up until the 2 hour karaoke and it averages to 5.5k viewers, so I was right

>>47677696
>They hurt the entire industry

>>47679593
it's /vt/, if you say something it becomes true

>>47659400
there's less pressure to perform now that they know they aren't getting resources dumped into them, this is for the best

they're still successful streamers, if they want even more success then they should work harder; start doing some stuff that will get some attention

>>47677696
Yeah, males heavily infiltrated the vtuber industry and a lot of vtuber fans saw it as a sign to move on. Almost two years of males debuting and females graduating from the top three companies.