/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>April 9

So what are we deflecting from today, comrade?

>>47598911
quality over quantity. 600 tempusfans are better than 6000 luxnoc whore

July? That's to late. There's clearly so much popular demand for them. We need to debut them faster! Like beginning of May. Or maybe even tomorrow!
ACCELERATE!

>>47598911
mindbroken

>>47599139
Spoonfeed a retard on "popular demand"

>>47599326
sister we should let our discord know theres another hateful thread on the catalog

>>47598911
Release Tempoop so soon and worst before EN3 was a mistake they ended alienated the fanbase

>>47599326
unhinged

>>47598911
It's by June actually

MEIDOS!!! HECKIN MAKING FUN OF MY LE BASED BROS!!!

>>47599451
tempus1 was one of the biggest hololive flops but instead of backing down after it they released a new gen 6 months later "by popular demand"

>>47598911
I'm glad you know that's the average view of Holostars, how much of a dumbfuck are you?

>>47599911
sounds like a (You) problem

>>47598911
>flayon becomes 2view

>>47599451
The first anon who replied isn't entirely correct, it originated from when tempus had their month long collab ban lifted a couple of weeks early because of "popular demand" so ever since then the meme is to show tempus floundering while repeating that quote.

>>47600405
Lifted a week early only for HoloEN and ID. Both StarsJP and their management were left in the dark and only knew about it after Mori announced her collab with Magni.

Well, the market for male vtuber do exist. And considering Hololive didn't start huge(Sora was a 2-views, most are 3-views, Aqua was getting 2k viewers at best), they just have to keep going until stars become big.

>>47600204
Tempus1 was very successful though

>>47602086
they literally killed luxiem

>>47602229
Luxiem killed itself.

>>47599139
arigatou omega-sama for bless us with tempus3 before holoen3

>>47602473
cope harder, nijisister

>>47599964
>It's by June actually
Cover did promote auditions in December so that is possible. If the next holoEN gen is announced at Connect the World than June would be the best time to debut Tempus 3.

what's with all the anti-homo threads? they're not doing anything out of the ordinary lately

>>47602613
Is this your defaultd insult for anyone who doesn't like your "bros"? Christ, you really let Nijisanji live rent free inside your head.

>>47602909
Oh wow, what an amazing idea to debut more dudes before the girls concert. It's not going to be controversial at all to drop another group in less than six months for the second time.

>exact same thread everyday
Definitely not mindbroken or assmad

>>47603052
It wouldn't be controversial at all. Everyone is used to it by now and it's only falseflaggers pretending to be mad

>>47603042
Just an average discord sister raid.

>>47603052
plenty of holos are fine with the boys and they need someone to do a proper watchalong. Seems like a good idea to me.

>Everyone is used to it by now and it's only falseflaggers pretending to be mad
in what world do you people live in

>>47603185
I go outside /vt/ from time to time

>>47603104
>>47603144
>>47603235
You people are fucking delusional. Or actual false-flaggers considering how blatantly retarded you are.

>>47603235
we already know where you come from, sis

>>47603282
I've seen the reactions to the squad collabs on Twitter, Youtube and Discord. It's all positive from all parts of the hololive fandom

>>47603404
So it's all positive in your small sample of communities. And you're the one telling people to go outside of /vt/. Ironic.

>>47598911
>Flamboyant gay twink
>Boring lawyer guy
>Loud and obnoxious latino
>The one guy who had some funny moments at the beginning but that's it
What were they thinking with tempus 2?
Why can't they just hire a chad that plays normal games without any faggy bullshit in between?

>>47603481
those guys don't use vtuber avatars, only creepy predators and borderline troons become male vtubers

>>47603480
That's not a small sample that's basically the whole community that interacts with them

Homobeggars... what happened? The demand was there

>>47603404
>>47603551
their ccv suggest otherwise, can you prove your statements

>>47603551
>basically the whole community
Yeah, you're delusional. I doubt meds will help you at this point.

>>47603481
Those people don't become vtubers.

>>47603598
CCV has nothing to do with whether people are fine with Tempus existing and getting new members

>>47603598
The fuck you mean? Tempus collabs got higher CCV than any recent all-girls collabs.

>>47603738
And where do these people go after those collabs? They're not watching your boys, that's for sure.

Tempus 1 was lightning in a bottle, a perfect group of funny bros
Tempus 2 was a massive mistake and a total dud. Too soon, everyone is boring and they have no chemistry with each other

>>47603481
Only predatory chuds become male vtubers. Chad (or the average democrat) just doesnt need to.

>>47603684
why does it matter if they don't watch streams then. You're claiming opinions of randoms who don't even watch streams justify Tempus existence?

>>47603738
why don't those people stick around when the participants stream on their own? Tempus is in the shitter and the ccv of malecollabing holos keeps dropping

>>47603778
Only retards watch every stream

>>47603850
Sure thing, sister.

>>47603778
They go back to watching the girls duh. I don't have much free time, I can't watch all of them so I have to stick with my oshi but I'll watch Tempus if they collab with the girls, they're pretty cool.

>>47603818
They have good enough numbers for Cover, and that matters a lot more than your arbitrary opinion

>>47603778
There are people that exist to watch ONLY the collabs because they think the solos of both boys and girls are boring.

>>47603905
yeah that's why they told them to start pushing memberships harder and avoid overlapping lol. I'm sure they're not at all worried about their income dwindling more and more each month.

>>47603905
>good enough numbers
Can't wait to see Hakka have to shill his standardized birthday merch.

>>47603974
>anon learns about debut buff
cute

>>47603974
Source on any of what you just said would be nice.
Also if you want memberships and income, Bettel has the entire group funded by himself.

>>47603905
Cover is comparing them with the Stars, most of which barely reached 3 digits and had abysmal profits.

>>47603904
>they're pretty cool
>doesn't a watch a single stream of them even when there's nobody but them live
You people are too obvious.

>>47603971
Then why they watch vtubers to begin with?

>>47603042
Gura started streaming again

>>47604005
>anon doesn't know about trends
awwww

>>47604015
vrabi, and the clown is also losing viewers

>>47604054
They're for a different target audience but I'm still happy they exist inside hololive. It's not that hard to understand.

>>47598911
It seems that it was very unfortunate timing for Tempus2 to debut. Had cover debuted their EN male branch in 2020/2021 before Luxiem, they'd probably have 2-4x more viewers. They also fucked up HoloEN by delaying new gen(s). It seems that when Yagoo mentioned that they don't want to debut too many new talents, somehow in his head it made sense to look at Hololive as a whole instead of looking at individual branches and trying to grow them independently. It probably went something like this "Oh we have ~35 JP talents, and if you add 10 EN and 9 ID that's a lot of fucking talents, so we better slow down" instead looking at EN and thinking "What if...they also had ~20+ talents and could have huge EN events, avoid dead hours and be able to function more like JP but for overseas audiences?".
Also, why are so many EN vtubers down in numbers? Luxiem, Myth girls and most of other Holo/Niji English branch talents seem to be doing poorly. Sure, you could argue that maybe Fauna or Mumei are doing okay, but it seems that their stability/incline is more due to the fact that Ina is not streaming and not because they've attracted new fans from outside holobox. Is this because there are so many indies and small corpos that are getting 200-1k viewers who would otherwise be watching HoloEN if we were in 2021, or is it because EN fans are simply leaving vtubers behind? I can't seem to find any reliable measure to determine the cause of this. If Google trends is something to go by, then we're at 2022 January level right now, and Holo numbers shouldn't be looking so shit, unless it's actually market saturation that's fucking HoloEN/StarsEN and NijiEN in the ass. Thoughts?

>>47604151
>graph
Tempus killed vtubing

even the sisters are losing interest in Bettel
>>47604102

>>47599116
It's not luxfags that are shitposting, sister. It's all the Holobros pissed off that we STILL don't have an EN3.

>>47604151
You could have just said tempus sucks instead of typing all that.

>>47604054
>why they watch vtubers to begin with?
Don't ask me, maybe they think the collabs are the only good streams.
>>47604127
Losing viewers, not really losing income from what hololyzer is telling me, unless hololyzer can't math right.

>>47604142
So they only care about the guys when they're leeching from the main branch? Gross.

>>47604287
>Losing viewers, not really losing income from what hololyzer is telling me, unless hololyzer can't math right.
can you not read graphs?

>>47604328
Your graphs are pointless since the tempus culture is gifted memberships

>>47598911
a few months from now anon, you will remember that you made this thread.

>>47604292
It's not leeching if those numbers are only possible when the guys are there

>>47598911
P-p-p-popular demand!!!

>>47604351
cope. I'm sure they love losing money and being stuck with standardized merch.

>>47604151
>Also, why are so many EN vtubers down in numbers?
i would say overstauration but that's not the case
the coof's mostly gone, EOPs (at least most of them) are going back to their normal, mundane lives and won't have the time to watch streams

>>47604328
Mate, you even quoted me when I said
>Losing viewers
Your graphs have nothing to do with mem / gift mem.
Your graphs only deal with CCV.

>>47604489
>>47604473

also show me membership numbers

>>47604390
You retards are so delusional it's embarrassing.

>>47604562
Whose do you want? (If you say Flayon I'll already say it's low), I'll do the past week and the rest you can do on your own from there.

>>47604189
couldnt tell from his reclining viewership

>>47604670
I want a decent sample you idiot, not anecdotes

>>47603052
But the homo Vsinger was already leaked kek enjoy your new Tempus gen and keep crying about no EN3

>>47604670
You know you can just membergift in shit currencies like ARS right?
You'd have to manually check which currency every person who gifted used.

>>47604813
this is bait. I'm not saying it won't happen tho.

>>47604813
You sound upset. Why are you upset, sister?

>>47598989
>>47598006

>>47604813
>Vsinger was already leaked
Qrd? I saw anons talking about it, but where does the leak come from? Did one of tempus members accidentally leak it?

>>47604813
Yeah, and the next HoloEN gen will be mixed and Cover will make sure that there are more male EN members than female. Also all western female are whores, Cover tried their best to get 5 girls but everyone sucked and all the other standardized post you people have ready on a text document every time there's a thread talking about EN3. If would be funny if it wasn't so fucking pathetic.

>>47598911
P O P U L A R D E M A N D

>>47604745
From 04/10 - 04/17 mem + gift mem
Altare: 878
Axel: 559
Vesper: 209
Magni: 1737 (he hit 200k subs so at least 1k of that came from that alone)
Bettel: 498
Flayon: 453 (surprising)
Shinri: 738
Hakka: 643
>>47604817
Thought they stopped that shit ages ago.

>>47605126
>Also all western female are whores
>All western men are sex pests and faggots
Why can't things be like in glorious Nippon...

>>47605232
we were talking trends you stupid motherfucker, those numbers are worthless without contextualization.

>>47605357
https://hololyzer.net/holostars/realtime/list/2023-04-10.html
Here you go, start working on it then.

>>47604984
IIRC it was some anon claiming he got in as a vsinger, that he could speak 5 languages and that his debut would be in december 2022

>>47605407
lol of course you gave up. Imagine arguing they don't care about money because they have memberships. Go back to /MANS/.

>>47605422
>leak
>schizo making shit up
Sounds like homobeggars, alright,

>>47605458
I don't know how to create graphs, either teach me, do it yourself, or ask another anon to do it.

>>47598911
This thread has been made at least 7 times in the last 24 hours and of course the SEAniggers fall for it

>>47605232
This. quality > quantity. The girls have more viewers, but most of them are relatively worthless.
>>47605357
Lol why dont you support the girls then instead of shitting up /vt/ and providing them with 0 value

>>47598911
June 10th

>>47605541

>>47605232
friendly reminder memberships cost a whole 0.2 USD if using ARS

>>47598911
Sad thing is that management will unironically believe you actually want more of them

>>47605232
you know membership prices vary with currency right? go back to /MANS/ with your worthless cope

>>47605700
Again, did they not stop the ARS bullshit already?

>>47605700
No one's using ARS

>>47605755
So, did they stop that ARS shit or not?
I swear everytime I ask in # they tell me you can no longer do shit in ARS even with VPN.

>>47605867
ARS is not the only shitty currency out there.

>>47605909
The whole point was that you can't send shit outside of your proper currency even with VPN, not just ARS. So are #niggers lying or what?

>>47606027
Afaik ARS was the only one affected. I haven't seen anyone talking about other shitty currencies, and even then you still have shit like chinks sending supas in NT$, so I doubt it completely stopped.

>>47604670
>Memgift almost as the same as CVV
KEKW

>>47606027
Youtube requires a credit card associated with an Argentinian bank to use ARS. This is the only currency effected.

>>47598911
Already on their way. Get fucked.

>>47598911
Unironically what's the chances that Homo3 debut earlier than Holo3? I wish i could bet on Holo, but we all know that management has favoritism towards Homos.

>>47607928
If Cover isn't completely insane we won't have a StarsEN3 before HoloEN3, otherwise the "quality over quantity" faggots will need to explain themselves. Tempus 2 debuted so soon because they had 6 members ready by Tempus 1 debut so Cover decided to delay two of them (which were Flayon and Bettel) to have a full gen. Unless they got more than just the spic and the boring lawyer for Tempus 2 it's extremely unlikely they'll debut another gen, and even if they have dudes in the bench I doubt they'll push them that soon after 3/4ths of the last one got a very lukewarm reception. But who knows, Cover might actually be insane and push a new group of homos that soon.

>>47598911
Yes goy and we'll add in special pride warmup jerseys made for Tempus alone. Shalom!

>>47603481
To get a chad into vTubing, you need a neet who becomes a chad.
Those are pretty rare, especially since most neets that get into vTubing just prefer watching their whores instead of chasing the dream themselves.

>>47604950
It just keeps happening.

>>47605823
how can you tell

>>47609060
Hololyzer tells you what the currencies used are.
There's maybe 2 or 3 ars out of dozens per stream. To say none of them were ars is a lie, but maybe less than 5% sent were in ars.

>>47598911
ACCELERATE

>>47598911
Make it August

Tempiss didnt do as good as expected

>>47609333
Anon, you'd have to be brain-dead to think big membership gifts are done using USD on a regular basis unless it's done by well-known Saudi royalty. Most people who do big gift purchases are usually using some monopoly money currency and some are more brazen about it than others.
>ie. the Colombian fuck who bragged on discord about using his near-ARS tier currency to blow up Kronii's membership numbers last week and how the total cost to him comes nowhere near where it should US dollar-wise

>>47616095
The colombian currency is just slightly worse than CAD. It's not ARS tier at all.

>>47604151
The reason why Tempus 2 came out was because Vesper got suspended and Magni got in an accident. That meant that Axel and Altare had to try to carry by themselves for several months. Before they wanted them to wait.

>>47617127
The Colombian peso is actually weaker than the Argentine Peso to an exchange of 20.69 for 1.

>Tempiss still hasn't reached 1m subs in total
>Tempoop still hasn't reached 500k subs in total
Grim.

>>47617694
I meant in terms of how much it costs for a membership compared to USD, obviously

>>47618434
You mean there's no regional pricing in Colombia?

>>47618542
It's about $2 USD for a membership compared to 25 cents for ARS

>>47598911
yes please. this time there will be at least 1 bro tuber.

>>47617956
>tempuke will release (by popular demand of course) and will collectively gather 200k subs after their debut buff.

>>47618594
That's weird. Then why the hell Argentina's regional pricing is so low?

>>47604054
>Then why they watch vtubers to begin with?

What's wrong with preferring collabs? Like me, there's a lot of people that see vtubing as an extension of old let's plays like TBFP, Oneyplays or og Game Grumps. It's a lot harder to be entertaining when you don't have someone to vocally bounce off of, it doesn't matter what kind of content creator you are. If I'm watching someone solo, they better be doing something interesting like Vinny with corruptions or Jerma at an excavation site.

>>47621152
There's a big difference between vtubers and TBFP, Oneyplays and Game Grumps. The absolute majority of a vtuber's content are solo streams, especially corpo ones, compared to those groups who are known for making content as a group. If you only watch collabs like how we're seeing with all the HoloENxStarsEN ones then you might have a stream per month, which makes me question how you stumbled into vtubers in the first place if the only thing you watch are collabs, and more specific co-ed collabs from the agency that rarely does them.

>>47621152
Collab playthroughs are very fun. It's a shame that vtubers are discouraged from doing them just because of how the financial incentives are.

>>47621564
Never said anything about specifically co-ed collabs and I agree the people that watch that but not single-gender collabs are weird. In fact, those are the ones that feel more like classic co-op let's plays than the mixed gender ones, and I can think of several among both NijiEN and HoloEN (both Live and Stars) that I would recommend to 2012 Game Grumps fans. There's already more content than any one human could perceivably consume in several lifetimes, and that includes if you watch only collabs.

>>47617694
The cheapest currencies to use for regional pricing.
https://fxssi.com/top-10-of-the-weakest-world-currencies-in-current-year

>>47624316
Then we reached a common ground. I can see why people prefer collabs over solo streams, but when they ONLY watch the rarest variety of them makes me wonder what type of content they're looking for because I guarantee it's not the classic co-op let's play kind.

>>47600204
>"by popular demand"
Who are you quoting?

>>47616095
You can still use ARS, you just need a Wise card.
I stopped paying for YouTube Premium because I never watch shit on my phone, and can easily block ads on a Firestick with SmartTube.

>>47627342
EN management when they explained why they lifted tempus collab restriction early.

>>47603481
>>47608617
On top of that they need to not give a shit about being successful at all. Men dominate streaming in the West, yet you can count the truly successful male EN VTubers on one hand. You're investing four figures in extra equipment and a good model to nerf yourself.

Some might do it out of passion anyway, but you can't go full-time on just passion.

>>47603481
The only men who become vtubers couldn't make it as a fleshtuber because of how incredibly ugly and awkward they are.
Being incredibly ugly and awkward has vast effects on their highschool/young adult life development, which results in a man that is ostracized most of his youth with little to no life experience outside autistic hobbies.

Putting it simply, vtuber men are less interesting than real men, because real men became men whereas vtuber men have stayed manchildren and lack the real attractive qualities of a real man.

So now (You) do want to accelerate?

>we

it is wild how little impact tempus 2 had, I already forgot what they looked like again by the time I finished this post, surprised mori and kronii haven't collabed with them to own the haters

>>47630794
I don't even know their names or what they sound like.
The shilling campaign /here/ felt non-existent the second time around

>>47630794
I think the only on-stream interaction they had with HoloEN was the spic on Rrat's birthday totsu, and they haven't collabed that much with ID either.

>>47630794
>it is wild how little impact tempus 2 had
Impacted Tempus 1's ccv just fine lmao

>>47630794
If it weren't for these threads, I'd've completely forgotten about them. They should thank their antis for getting their name out there. They're better at it than the guys themselves. lol

>>47639385
Every now and then i see their thumbnails on holodex and am confused why a niji male showed up when i have it set to holo only

what the fuck is a "Banzoin Hakka" ?? get out

>>47639705
Hakka not standing out is the worst part. You could argue that EN market saturation is a big part of it but Hakka speaks Spanish more than the ID girls speak Indonesian and he's still right there with the rest.
Literally nobody who wasn't already watching Tempus 1 has fucking heard of these guys.

>>47630794
once bitten, twice as shy
there weren't even any memes for them compared to the whole mag spam before their debuts

>>47641714
Magni got extremely lucky that this shithole made a meme for him (even if initially it was a dig at him).

the virginity in this thread is leaking, get a girlfriend you fat losers. numbers are just an excuse to justify your lonely lives as nothing but pathetic wastes of space to society

>>47598911
KEK WHAT A FLOP

>>47642207
Yasss go get em sister! Maybe even one day Vox could give you a personal tentacle massage if you keep on owning those parasocial fucks!

>>47642207
You're so easy

>>47642207
? You a faggot or somethin?

>>47598911
yeah i dont think it was worth it

>>47643075
Why are they so predictable bros?

GOY YOU DON'T GET IT

WE NEED HOMOEN3 BECAUSE....WE JUST DO!

>>47642207
>Nooo! You're a virgin and fat because you're saying mean things about the guy I stan!
I swear to god, every fucking time with these fujos. lmao

>>47599911
Guys if tempiss is gen1 tempoop is gen 2 if gen 3 comes out what will that be called?

>>47644419
TemPuke.

>>47598911

>>47644380
You are giving them too much credit, these are troons that larp as women. Tempiss is just so desperate they have to validate their delusions. Women don’t watch faggots.

>>47598911
https://twitter.com/sickyume/status/1648328441484255235
The fujos are trying, but it's just not enough. EN's on the road to standardized merch and even with their best efforts it'll still not be enough. Boys are losing viewers and superchats. Even Bettel is falling behind in SCs, with a great majority of the holo girls raking in more these days. New homos will only spread the fujo money thinner, 'cause they're not getting new eyes. Tempus3 could very well be what kills them.

>>47645910
Managements eagerness to debut more Homos being what ends up killing them would be pretty funny.
Literally pulled a Nijisanji and killed their own branch.

>>47604151
As you said, there are so many indies and small corpos in the EN market now, especially when compared to 2020 - 2021 era. Now everyone can find good enough alternatives outside of the big three corpo (Hololive, Nijisanji, and VShojo).
HoloEN basically fucked up during 2022 - 2023 holidays when most of their talents went missing, lowering their already faltering interest even more. Then Tempus 2 showed up when hololive fans are either still waiting for their oshis to come back or expecting a new girls gen to show up.

>>47648750
Popular Demand doko?

holoquality > nijiquantity

>>47603738
Ina April Fool's collab had a lower CCV but has higher views at 245k while the Kronii Uni collab with holostar had higher CCV but lower views at 212k. That's not even counting the many, many examples where girls were close to CCV with each other but the view gap after a week shows a different story even by a margin of double in some cases. CCV is cope like superchats are. High CCV might grab the early views but in most cases, subject matter dictates the success of a video once the stream ends.

>>47652869
It means a few of Ina's extra 800k subs clicked on it for a few seconds before moving on; aka not much

>>47649857
Yes, preach it. In NijiEN there are 15 girls, while in HoloEN there are only 10 and unlike the whores in Niji the Holo girls are pure and real idols. Like can you imagine someone who would collab with males? Not me ... haha!

>>47598911
Tempus 3 in July
EN3 (co-ed) in August or September
Tempus 4 in December
No refunds

>>47598911
you will get it

>>47628027
I mean. Going full-time as a streamer is very often a luck thing and most people that try streaming will never be chad.
You could try it like Kiara or Mori and make it with passion alone(basically staying till luck eventually hits you) but the truth is most people are not that passioned about streaming.
Most actual chads are 2view and unless they get lucky with nijisanji or holostars they will never go full time. Especially since niji likes hiring asians with big numbers. Let's see if holostars will get one. Mid 3 view is enough anyways to go fulltime.

>>47655693
To add on that, Altare, Axel and Magni are pretty chad.
Magni is literally the asian version of a chad.
Altare has his bitch boy voice but is pretty build.
Axel is some kind of bishounen as well, but dumb as a fucking rock.
I am not so sure about VG but aparently Cover cares a lot about how the boys look. Vesper is theorized to be pretty heavy too, but his hands suggest that he's atleast as heavy as Magni.

>>47607928
Tempiss 2 is getting worse numbers than ID man, hell they're comparable with OG HoloStars now. No fucking way we get another homo branch anytime soon with them getting shit merch and Holostars getting their anime cancelled.

>>47655693
>Most actual chads are 2view and unless they get lucky with nijisanji or holostars they will never go full time.
That's the point though. It takes luck for all streamer, but it almost NEVER happens for male ENTubers. The only ones I can even think of either got big before switching to an avatar (E.g. Scarra) use a female model (Porcelain Maid, probably Zentreya) or joined a corpo, and with the way Tempus2 and recent Nijis have gone it's questionable whether that route is even worth giving them the cut.

It's hard to say what the comparative success rate is and I'm well aware that it's low in both cases, but with the boom dying down the rate for male VTubers is looking like damn near zero.

>>47617956
It'll be a rival guild to hype things up.

>>47598911
ACCELERATED BY POPULAR DEMAND

>>47643075
I used to think this was a joke but I've found out that time and time again it's true.

>>47656057
Believe it or not, but occasionally they do WORSE than Stars JP. lmao

>>47598911
god luck with that

>>47652869
I still want to know where the fuck this audience that only cares about co-ed collabs and then fuck off until there's another came from. Preferring collab streams over solo is one thing, but what kind of person chooses HoloPro to only watch the rarest type of stream in the entire company?

>>47660859
I like both Tempus and Kronii but got bored of their normal streams. I only watch them occasionally like when they do those squad collabs

>>47660859
The kind of people who give these sorts of takes.
They like to fancy themselves in touch with 'the scene' but only really care when something big, sensational or "groundbreaking" seems to be happening, whereupon they magically transform into grizzled experts doling out wisdom born of experience.
They don't actually watch day-to-day streams.

>>47661606
What's wrong with these takes? Seems to align with the /vt/ consensus about her

>>47661678
...Anon, just because people call it "CouncilRyS" doesn't mean that she's actually integrated with Council. Her relationship with all of them is fundamentally unchanged. When was the last Kronii/Fauna/Mumei-IryS 1-on-1 collab? Of course, if you only tuned into big anniversary or group events, it might be totally reasonable to think that. "Wow, in the past I only saw that Council was together, but now IryS is there!"
And there's about twenty songs that differentiate her from a 'normal' member, with all the associated issues with production, but as the guy at the bottom shows, they don't even know she put out an album at the start, which is staggering.

>>47661958
I swear I saw "CouncilRyS" on something official for holofes recently but I can't seem to find it, maybe the idol outfit reveal? It's pretty much official at this point. The lack of collabs is because Irys doesn't reach out or isn't available

>>47662307
Ok it's not CouncilRyS but it still groups them together

>>47662307
>>47662382
The point here is that whatever it says on the tin, to say that people only started caring for her when "EN Gen 2 stepped up" is ludicrous since absolutely nothing actually changed. IryS didn't start appearing on their streams any more than she did before, they didn't suddenly start doing many more things together, Council didn't start shilling her music for her. It's a feel-good fantasy based on the idea that she MUST have benefited in some way, or why would they start saying they're together?

>>47662586
I get what you're saying. It's like all their info comes from places like reddit or /vt/ and they just believe it to be true while never watching any stream. People call them CouncilRyS because they came after Myth and it's easier than saying Council + Project:Hope, but they're still a separate thing and IRyS is still a vocal slave to her managers

>>47662754
Meh, how long has it been without a new song now?

>>47645092
>Women don't watch faggots
I bet you haven't seen the Holo expo tour lol

>>47662792
Just wait for her next extended break and you'll see Cover announcing a new song. Honestly I hope Cover drops the whole Project:Hope bullshit and let her be a normal member that deals with her musical projects herself.

>>47598911
quick, we need to raise Hololive EN merchandise price, especially Gura's merch, so we can fund our next Temflop project

>>47598989
That magni was pushing 1500 viewers on sonic heroes and bettel was also getting more numbers than they would have liked yesterday

>>47642207
You seemed unhinged. Perhaps, even a little mindbroken.

>>47598911
BIG SUCCESS