/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>47532500
>sells so badly they need to extend the sales period
wow

>>47532500
>break in activities
What did they mean by this?

>>47532650
It means that cover is calling out the infinite hiatus fags that their merch are failing.
Adding to the fact that she basically threw her fans under the bus by collabing with males.

>>47532650
They're finally breaking the dyke

Homobeggars, why don't you show support and buy her merch?

>>47532593
>>47532764
cope. She's probably selling so well they extended the period.

fortunately idol culutre is a thing. buy now before it's too late!

>>47532882
Butthurt faggotfuck, people rarely buy merch in general, this is why limited quantities ever exists and most people who buy are doing so to flip later.

>>47532882
Not until they fix this

>>47532500
MY SIDES

>pls pls pls buy the merch

Holobeggar.

>>47533058
Yikes, are the chuubas comfortable making their fans pay that much for shipping?

>>47532882
actual Tempus fans dont like her if you've seen reactions to her name being typed in /MANS/

>>47532500
>Can't get rid of inventory because gachikoi dumped her
OH NO NO NO, Homobeggars?! EXPLAIN?! I thought you guys bought merch and donated?

>>47532903
I like how positive the Kronies are. LOL, LMAO even

>>47532903
Bruh, we know her merch number from last week, it not good.

>>47533058
Try to use Geekjack?

>>47532903
Whatever cope makes you sleep better at night.
If that were the case they'd outright say it, corpos never miss a chance to brag about success kek.

>>47533261
This. They regularly anti Kronii there.

>>47533317
>how positive the Kronies are
yea, hiv positive.

>>47532500
This makes no sense, why would her being on break make them have to extend the pre-order period. I would have sold to people that want it regardless if she was on break or not. Usually a tweet is put out to remind people that a merch is still available and not something like this.

>>47532500
If only the official account calls out the shark like this too. Imagine the meltdown kek

>>47533348
are you gonna post the numbers, ESL-kun, or do we have to take your word for it

>>47532500

>>47533410
Maybe I'd go through that trouble if her merch was as good as last year

>>47533058
What causes this?

>>47533432
If that was the case they should have extended preorders for Gura's daki as well

>>47533058
LOL Fork it over Kronies, don't you want a cheap quartz clock and 4 inch cube box?

>>47532650
Kronii recently took a break to undergo, and recover from, jaw surgery to fix some TMJ issues. As a result, she was not able to stream and shill her merch in the planned timeframe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9qNYSakbmg

>>47532500
what's the point of buying merch if you're not parasocial?

>>47533676
normal reasons to buy merch? are you stupid?

>>47533666
>surgery for TMJ issues
>no one told her to just get Botox
wtf is management doing

>>47533676
You can be parasocial without caring about the occasional male collab

>>47533535
The box size they use for the merch. DHL fucked Cover over and forced them to use premium rates for shipping now.

>>47533058
Just stop being poor.

>>47533261
That's because mans is mostly fujos.

>>47533778
first of all, management has nothing to do with anything here.
second of all, botox is only useful for some TMJ symptoms, not all of them.
third of all, botox is a temporary fix, not a permanent one.
fourth of all, when botox is used it reduces the jaw's functionality along with the pain. Kronii's job is vocal-focused.
fifth of all, you're a fucking idiot.

this is why they're extending the period
>>47533816

>>47534039
Based for delivering.

>>47534039
Jesus thats fucking GRIM

>>47533676
I have bought alot of merch I thought was nice during my last visit in Japan. Even some fan made products. It lowers the bar when you only need to pay some yen instead of 100 bucks for shipping and eventually additional tax.
Is Pekora my oshi? No. But I have her in my living room, because she looks nice.

>>47533778
Anon, people don't go through 5 hour, full anaesthetic surgeries all willy nilly. If there was an easier, more appropriate fix they would have done that.

>>47533796
My fucking god...

>>47532500
Unity won unicorn BTFO

>>47534139
Koreans do

>>47533849
Thanks for the reply, good to know from now on

>>47534039
Do you have this for every Holo EN?
How did Amelia whoreson perform on sales?

>>47534168
By "people" I also mean all the medical staff involved.

>>47532903
Lol holo jp merch tends to sell out in minutes and they never extend it

>>47534253
Yeah, but he is right. Koreans literally do.

>insane shipping costs because of the neck pillow
>CEO still hasn’t shilled your goods yet even though they’re a lot tamer compared to last year

I can also make up numbers
>Kronii's sales: through the roof
>Your oshi: nobody cares
see?

>>47534347
Is it really because of the neck pillow and not the burger box?

>>47533058
they cant fix shit i tried sending shit to another country and shipping costs more than the fucking stuffs

>>47532500
Popular demand

>>47533796
Imagine being parasocial to a woman who chooses a man in his late thirties pretending to be an anime character over (you). Set some standards for yourself

>>47534407
That's the cost of not paying slave wages

>>47533796
KKKEEEEEEEEKKKK

>>47534039
>>47534114
we can get GRIM-er
>>47534460

>Yeah Council didn't do as good as they expected
They hated Fungus because He told the truth.

>>47534347
>CEO still hasn’t shilled your goods yet even though they’re a lot tamer compared to last year
Why is he always shilling it on the last day anyway? Wouldn't it generate more hype if people saw what the real product looks like ahead of time?

>>47534329
He may be right, but it's irrelevant. Kronii is Canadian. I highly doubt every single person involved with her medical care just happened to be Korean-Canadians that were running wild with the Canadian health care system.

Protip: doctors try to AVOID putting their patients under full anaesthesia unless it's actually necessary. It's expensive and dangerous. Putting people under is easy, making sure they wake up is the hard part. It requires a whole extra person with specialist training and all the cost that brings with them.

>>47534506
>>47534492
>>47534150
you laugh at him but that's a big chunk of her audience. Even Pomu has devoted gachis.

>>47534567
Yes, i can laugh at how pathetic that is

>>47534526
Yeah, I feel like if people saw the damn pillow which is ballooning the shipping so damn much this time around, it would probably encourage more people to eat the cost of the shipping or at least entertain going down the geekjack route.

>>47534567
Didn't Pomufags just get cucked recently

>>47534620
If you don't imagine her as your girlfriend at all then it's easy to understand.

>>47534695
I'm pretty sure it's company policy

>>47534746
you're literally a simp

>kill your career my dude

>>47534786
If you have a female oshi you're a simp too

>>47534746
>Gachikoi
>Not imagining her as your girlfriend

>>47534884
the "m" in simp kind of does the heavy lifting, kronie

DOZO

HER MERCH NUMBERS ARE SHIT

>NUMBERS FROM 2 DAYS AGO

Nakiri Ayame New Outfit Celebration 2023
New Outfit Merch Complete Set Limited Edition 2000 $101.00 $202,000.00
New Outfit Merch Complete Set 1415 $101.00 $142,915.00
B2 Tapestry 285 $24.00 $6,840.00
4 Connectable Charms 749 $16.00 $11,984.00
Poyoyo Sleep-Well Eye Mask 671 $20.00 $13,420.00
Poyoyo Slippers 300 $27.00 $8,100.00
Situation Voice "New Outfit Showcase Just for You" 150 $16.00 $2,400.00
$387,659.00

Momosuzu Nene Birthday Celebration 2023
Birthday Merch Complete Set 1602 $97.00 $155,394.00
Acrylic Diorama Stand 94 $24.00 $2,256.00
Random Acrylic Keychain 1581 $7.00 $11,067.00
Momosuzu Nene Plushie 228 $54.00 $12,312.00
ASMR Voice "Sweet & Lovely Voice" 133 $7.00 $931.00
ASMR Voice "Mischievous & Heart-Racing Voice" 130 $7.00 $910.00
$182,870.00

Hoshimachi Suisei Birthday & 5th Anniversary Celebration
Birthday & 5th Anniversary Merch Complete Set 8168 $124.00 $1,012,832.00
Canvas Art 968 $39.00 $37,752.00
Random Rubber Keychain 9022 $8.00 $72,176.00
Sui-chan Cushion 2786 $54.00 $150,444.00
COMET Clear Shoulder Bag 1243 $24.00 $29,832.00
$1,303,036.00

Ceres Fauna Birthday Celebration 2023
Birthday Merch Complete Set Limited Edition 1000 $109.00 $109,000.00
Birthday Merch Complete Set 407 $109.00 $44,363.00
Kirin's Bento Box 93 $20.00 $1,860.00
Kirin's Chopsticks with Case 189 $13.00 $2,457.00
Kirin's Water Bottle 166 $27.00 $4,482.00
Sapling Plushie 293 $31.00 $9,083.00
ASMR Voice "Private Tea Time with Fauna" 329 $20.00 $6,580.00
$177,825.00

Hakui Koyori Birthday Celebration 2023
Birthday Merch Complete Set Limited Edition 2000 $87.00 $174,000.00
Birthday Merch Complete Set 2380 $87.00 $207,060.00
Canvas Art 168 $39.00 $6,552.00
Certificate of Koyori's Assistants 1528 $10.00 $15,280.00
Rubber Mat & Card Sleeves 1517 $31.00 $47,027.00
Situation Voice "Spending My Birthday With You" 214 $7.00 $1,498.00
$451,417.00

Ouro Kronii Birthday Celebration 2023
Birthday Merch Complete Set 340 $96.00 $32,640.00
Eternity Acrylic Clock 141 $39.00 $5,499.00
Burger Time Box 55 $20.00 $1,100.00
Infinite Hug Boros 2WAY Neck Pillow 125 $31.00 $3,875.00
Situation Voice "Sleeping In" 176 $7.00 $1,232.00
$44,346.00

Houshou Marine 2 Million Subscribers Celebration
2 Million Subscribers Merch Complete Set Limited Edition 1500 $92.00 $138,000.00
2 Million Subscribers Merch Complete Set 2856 $92.00 $262,752.00
Dominate Marine Cushion 329 $39.00 $12,831.00
Houshou Pirates Company ID Card 1174 $8.00 $9,392.00
ID Card Lanyard 880 $23.00 $20,240.00
Matching Necklace with Senchou 798 $23.00 $18,354.00
$461,569.00

Super Idol Comet-chan Debut Single "SUICHAN-NO-MAINTENANCE SONG" 9000 $16.00 $144,000.00

Mori Calliope Birthday Celebration 2023
Birthday Merch Complete Set Limited Edition 1000 $86.00 $86,000.00
Birthday Merch Complete Set 241 $86.00 $20,726.00
Poster Meant for Displaying 82 $8.00 $656.00
#1DAD Workaholics Mug 146 $17.00 $2,482.00
Underworld Onsen Bath Bomb Set 19 $20.00 $380.00
Lil’swag Lord Plushie 409 $43.00 $17,587.00 $127,831.00

Nekomata Okayu 4th Anniversary Celebration
4th Anniversary Merch Complete Set 1683 $85.00 $143,055.00
B2 Tapestry 143 $24.00 $3,432.00
Candy Acrylic Keychains (Set of 4) 131 $24.00 $3,144.00
Macaron Mug 262 $24.00 $6,288.00
Mini Multi-Purpose Case 169 $15.00 $2,535.00 $158,454.00

Nanashi Mumei New Outfit Celebration 2023
Mumei’s Accessory Keychain 603 $16.00 $9,648.00

Inugami Korone 4th Anniversary Celebration
4th Anniversary Merch Complete Set 1754 $108.00 $189,432.00
Rubber Mat 331 $23.00 $7,613.00
Hairball Korone Plushie 1446 $31.00 $44,826.00
Hairball Korone Tracksuit 501 $54.00 $27,054.00
$268,925.00

>>47534746
Then why not watch someone who actually streams consistently and is talented? Let's be honest here. The main draw of Kronii has been the parasocial aspect, but it has been getting increasingly more pathetic to do as a man for her

>>47534407
>the fucking stuffs
A-Anya!?

>>47535093
Let's be real, if you're parasocial in any way, you weren't a man to begin with.

>>47534955
You can be a gachikoi and imagine her as your girlfriend without going apeshit whenever she mentions or interacts with a male. Maybe it is hard to comprehend for a muslim, but your girlfriend can be loyal to you and interact with other men (such as in a work environment).

>>47535422
If I'm going to be parasocial for a vtuber I'll at least choose someone with respect for their fans and not watch a woman I have feelings for flirt with an anime boy

>>47534039
Unicorns just keep winning.

>>47535795
Anon, you interpret as "talking with someone of th opposite sex" with filtering. Is the reason your dad walked out on you because you kept lashing out at him for "flirting" with your mother?

>>47535861

>>47535603
If my girlfriend joked around with a man like Kronii with Vesper I'd feel cucked If i couldn't put a stop to it. Sponsorship streams and events with men involved have long been accepted on the jp side. There's nothing professonial in the collabs Kronii has had with Vesper

>>47535795
We all have different standards for that stuff, but to me she's the only one in HoloEN who talks to her chat normally instead of treating them like babies, but you wouldn't get it without being there in her member streams

>>47535085
can you post the source?

>>47536182
They don't have it, and don't have any of the geekjack data either

>>47532500

>>47536013
>hahaha cut your dick off
>I will murder him, he's such a meanie
>I hate him SO much
Highschool tier flirting 101

>>47536302
Okay now it makes sense you’re autistic and never had friends before

>>47533273
>get rid of inventory
>sell out
>on preorders
Why are you retarded?

>>47536532
Ah, you're one of those who believes in friendships between men and women without sexual intention from either side. Progressive

>>47534039
>Stats from shop with highway robbery on delivery
nice
now show us the geekjack stats

>>47536532
self imposed cuck

>>47536182
They don't actually make these numbers public do they? Why on earth

>>47535085
So, where did these numbers come from?
I too can write random ass numbers and say it's reality.
Now post your source.

>>47533676
I have a Mug Club mug. I don't want to fuck Crowder.

>>47536039
Don't go acting maidenless, now! Tsk tsk

>>47535085
>suisei sold over 8000 full sets
what the fuck

>>47536972
>thinks Crowder isn't gay
I hope one day you can move on from identifying as a deeply closeted gay man

>>47536632
We know this isn't true. KEK. Get fucked. >>47534039

>>47535085
why dont kroniis love their oshi

>>47533666
wasn't all that before her birthday?

>>47535603
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEK

>>47536632
They still have to meet minimum order quantities from the manufacturer. These aren't made to order.

>>47535861
I think your fire alarm just went off, anon

>>47537084
he's right tho, this shit is made on demand, there's no inventory

>>47536671
Objectively true.
Every hetero friendship is just 2 words away from sex. 99% of the time is from the female side.

Just last week, 2 of my friends in the group, 10 year friends and the ones always used as example of "male and female friends who don't lust after eachother and just play games together" started dating, not even 2 weeks after she broke up with her last boyfriend.

>>47533261
So do they like Mori more in comparison?

>>47537084
>We know this isn't true
>The voices in my head told me this
The only actual limited merch that can sell out is the personally signed stuff which Kronii did not do

>>47534219
Gura > Ina > Ame > Kiara > Mori

>>47537399
It's different when not in person

>>47532903
Just like they do when HoloJP merch get sold out in minutes right? Oh wait no, they don't, they wont make more even when that happens.

>>47537184
It was, that's why she could talk on her birthday stream

>>47537334
they are preorder but manufacturer usually requires a minimal amount for bulk order, they wouldn't just make a couple hundred, if they do it wouldn't be cheap

>>47533563
>>47533432
It’s almost as if gura could become an actual ghost for the whole year and people will still buy her overpriced merch while people from Twitter don’t. And don’t bring up shipping fauna full thing was also almost $200. B-But that’s less than $300 and Gura/Pekora figures are best selling figures beating out Hatsune miku. Gura’s being $239 before fees including shipping and Pekora’s scale figure $1700 before fees. Mind you Gura also sold a $40 bag, $100 daki, 3 other figures ranging between $40-80 all at the same time. The original gura seethe was that she only returns to shill her merch because they all released within 30 days of her return. This is apples to oranges but alot of top JP don’t do limited and still sell way more than most of en

>>47533666
Kronii called in the birthday streams for some of the other Holos right? She had lots of chances to shill them during those times, Suisei has shilled her songs and merch that way a few times before.

>>47537399
Nice blogpost upvoted

>>47533666
You shill the merch on your birthday and shill it again by being cute after the yagoo showcase. Ina literally took a break after her birthday last year. Mumei forgot her merch was still selling before the yagoo shill. Gura she speaks for herself. Fastest selling, most sales, and doesn’t even remember to shill it if it’s not cunny

>>47536972
Ok but how much did you pay for that? Cause only "parasocial fucks" would be willing to pay for this >>47533058 much.

>>47537247
>the best comeback faunaschizos have is her fire alarm went off
roru

>>47534219
Always ahead of Kiara by a huge distance, and the same as Ina for the first weeks, then the tako Sheikhs buy everything 5 times. You can't compete with Gura and Mori has a lot of millionaries. Basically Gura > Mori = Ina > Ame > Kiara

>>47534544
She didn’t get it Canada I think she had to travel to America. Which makes sense because you usually get waitlisted for surgeries when free healthcare is involved. Probably the biggest pro to privatized healthcare is care on demand but it doesn’t help the lower middle class.
>Disclaimer: I don’t watch kronii I just read someone say that she had to go somewhere else otherwise she wouldn’t have been able to make holofes.

>>47537766
It's weird how this board thinks this is a good thing

>>47537897
yeah, alarms randomly go off all the time

>>47537944
>t-trust me, I'm a /#/fag

>>47532500
Get fuck bitch

>>47537999
I had to rip the fire alarm out of the wall at my old apartment because it kept going off in the middle of the night when I was sleeping. I made the management give me a new one and within a couple of months it was right back to going off randomly throughout the day

>>47532882
She and mori get what they deserved

>>47536632
Well alternatively then you can see it that Cover has a benchmark they want sold for said products for the investment they put, otherwise why would they even put a time limit for these preorders if its no cost on their back?

>>47536182
The way to find it got patched out 2 days ago, which is why the numbers are from 2 days ago. All you had to do was page source and then ctrl+f QTY. See the 98274? It started out as 99999, so all you had to do was subtract to see how much got sold

>>47538259
it's because of you retards that the site got patched. Don't respond to glowies

>>47538443
I'm only posting it BECAUSE it got patched. If it wasn't patched I'd tell them to eat shit.

>>47538231
they put in one bulk order with the actual product manufacturer at the end of the pre-order window; they can't keep it open indefinitely because otherwise the merch would never go into production.

>>47538478
if the minimum qty can't be reached, kronii might have to pay for the difference herself. kek

>>47538659
black company

>>47537203
>>47536632
>>47537084
These are made to order but cover likely wants to hit certain thresholds especially after the ipo happened. Good example is Gura breaking records but they didn’t extend her merch despite people begging on twitter when they started arriving. On the flip side fauna birthday last year she was more of a shitter than bae and didn’t get this extension. There’s also sana but this one is arguable. Her merch run ended then 2-3 days they extended for her graduation. They did similar to coco they extended and allowed a rerun of last year merch for her. Sana could have reached that threshold or because she was graduating they just waited to mention it. Merch being extended though is a super rare case and most likely means it’s on the low side of sales. They also made Kronii retweet it 2 weeks after it started and try to push geekjack.

Well this should count as proof that kronii is at least losing people with big pockets

>>47537560
>fauna full thing was also almost $200
It was not.
I tested it when they were available and Kronii's was at least 2 times more than the next most expensive one.

>>47537464
You ever been in a fps lobby when they hear a girl appear on the mic?

>>47538719
The last time they extended merch was when the shop was literally down for two days.

>>47538719
Or that people aren't willing to pay holoshop's extortion level shipping

>>47538706
Pretty sure they're asian

>>47538259
and kronies will still say no source lol

>>47538259
So you're confirming the source does not include geekjack sales at all?

>>47538724
Her shipping was more than half the total, it was still fucking bad. You can actually find people who didn't buy the limited edition because the shipping was absurd.
https://twitter.com/GuraSqueaks/status/1638318138017173506
>why is your image different than the one in the tweet
the japanese yen is SHIT

>>47538706
That's the risk for customized merch designed by talents compared to standardized shit like acrylic stands and whatnot that the company designs for each of their members. Talent will foot the bill for unsold ones.

>>47537944
Idk if you’re underestimating Ina or Overestimating mori. Ina is in a weird place as the only person in En to sell out before gura and briefly sell more then her. Mori merch does well but in a vacuum same can be said about every holo but ina and gura move jp levels of merch in japan. Mori and ame are pretty much the same with kiara at the bottom

>>47533666
Wow, who knew Vesper's cock was that big?

>>47538977
>1/3 the cost of Kronii shipping
>just as bad
The shipping for others is bad, for Kronii it's catastrophic.

>>47534687
>>47534526
On the last day you fomo kicks in and being able to see it makes that all the worse. You have more time to think and talk yourself out of buying this item if you have a week. This makes it impulsive

>>47538259
what the fuck are you even talking about? post a link, /#/tard

>>47538259
fucking faggot posted a single line of code that he doesn't even understand and call it source lol

>>47538970
If geekjack made a substantial difference you wouldn’t be running damage control because the current situation wouldn’t be happening

>>47539053
>Ina is in a weird place as the only person in En to sell out before gura and briefly sell more then her
I wonder if it just means that Ina taps into a different fanbase that's more hardcore but separate or at least not as present in Gura's. Maybe Ina has a dedicated korean fanbase that's just not very vocal?

>>47539283
???

Looking back the Ina 2021 merch set was $105 for the shipping for me, but the KDTD is huge though.

>>47539283
you stupid faggot post the actual source

>>47539283
The current situation is rrats.
If the orders get cancelled then you can start your doomposting.

>>47537584
>calling into someone else's birthday to shill your own birthday merch

The only person she could have done that for was Fauna since that was the only birthday she's called in for since her own, and even then she wouldn't be tactless enough to do that kind of shilling.

>>47539053
>>47537944
Nah from the limited stock, which often based on previous sale data
Gura > Ina > Ame > Kiara = Mori

>>47538259
let me boot up my notepad to write a fucking line of code too lmfao

>>47534544
Like the final episode of Everybody Loves Raymond.

>>47538850
Which goes my point she probably lost people that have big pockets. It’s a poorfag problem that 80-90% of hologirls won’t experience. People actually bought 3 gura scale figures at 239 a piece without taxes and shipping. People bought 2 of pekora’s $1700 scale figures again before taxes and shipping. Some people bought 10 dinogura’s for display. Again Kronii probably lost the people willing to sell their car to support her. It’s not a big portion of her audience but it seems to be noticeable for merch

>>47538259
>>47538443
You numberfags can't be this stupid. post better proofs you retards. until then, all those numbers mean nothing.

>>47539866
they can't. that's why they haven't refute any post that called them out yet

>>47532500
>based kronii selling so much that she makes the unikekscels seeth

>>47532500
oh maybe I could buy some Kronii merch now..... nope

>>47538977
>$69
That's not that bad, I paid over $100+ when I ordered Yakuza pins for Coco merch

>>47539977
Use a forwarder you fucking retarded faggot

>>47538659
>>47539007
Idk if it’s a check or they just take it out the monthly pay but talents foot some of the bill for birthday merch/anniversary it’s why they get a big cut. The recent collab that umisea and other girls are part of will have everything except the look handled by cover. The girls get a say in how they’re displayed to not make chest too big or too sexual or vice versa. In these cases they put no money in and only get 10% of the proceeds.

Anon is hiding in his containment thread
>>47539794
numberfagkun...

>>47533058
What are "duties"? First time I see that. They are already collecting taxes and shipping, so what else do they want?

>>47539806
>It’s a poorfag problem that 80-90% of hologirls won’t experience
You got a source for that?
Slapping a ~$200 tag on just the cost of entry would demolish any sales for anyone.
Not to mention the merch is really mediocre. The fact that anyone bought it on holoshop means she clearly still has whales who don't care about cost.

>>47540119
think of it as import tax

>>47539977
For all the talk of gura’s fans hating her they spend whatever is asked of them. They even want to spend more begging her to do shoes. Kronii’s aren’t as ok as they said they were

one question,
why don't kronies just use proxy like tenso or buyee. Being gachikoi, people would usually go such length to buy merch.

>>47534383
If you check the shipping costs individually, the pillow has the most expensive shipping cost.

>>47540301
Casuals.

>kronies on damage control
grim

>>47540301
They might have. We don't have data for that

Sure seems like she'd be moving more merch if she embraced idol culture.

>>47540412
>They might have. We don't have data for that
Nigga it would count towards the "fake numbers" if they did because they would be ordering it directly from the holopro shop

>>47540301
shhhh, we’re not supposed to talk about that, there’s a reason this fucking board does not have a buyfag thread. It’s because nobody wants to spoon feed the redditors

>>47540380
So that means, Kronii lost her gachis?

>>47540301
Most EN fans are relative normies who never bought shit from Japan before. They literally think their only options are the Holo shop or geekjack, and if they were Myth fans they probably got fucked over by Geekjack taking months to ship shit. If they're council fans they might not even know geekjack exists

Kroniies seem to be really in denial in this thread...

>>47540301
>being gachikoi
more like gachicucks

>>47540301
You really REALLY think ENfaggots have a clue of what those are?

>>47540510
All I hear from this is "most EN fans are retarded"

Why are sales so poor on the store?
It's clearly a mystery

if it's really about the shipping cost, why is even her voicepack sell abysmal? and shouldn't the thing that causes the shipping cost to sky rocket which is the pillow to sell the least?

>>47540133
Well the best I can give you is all the scale figures ranging From 180-1700 before taxes and shipping being best sellers. I said 80-90% because I don’t know what percent would be if you remove all of ID and every EN except 3. Bundled anniversaries/birthdays are also a show of it but those only happen when their delayed and end up happening within weeks of each other. That happens rarely but both together is about 200 minimum.

>>47540467
>>47540615
Come on it's the most basic shit in weeb community. Kronii's current paying customer must be super casual in that case.

>>47540629
What about HoloExpo Acrylic & Stickers, then? There isn't any major difference in shipping cost for those.
>Hololive Super Expo 2023 Chibi Acrylic and Sticker
>Baelz - $2,467.00
>Fauna - $2,463.00
>IRyS - $2,264.00
>Mumei - $2,260.00
>Kronii - $1,758.00
The other 4 are close enough to each other, while Kronii was clearly lagging behind

>>47540787
Most ENfags are ironic "weebs". They couldn't tell apart their ass from their face.

>>47540665
It's not about the total price, but about shipping being 1.5x the price of the actual merch

>>47540471
Maybe, male collabs aren’t guaranteed to make you lose gachis but how you act in it can. Look at matsuri she’s still got gachis because she’s the absolute same with males and females. More rapey with females but the same. For all the nonsense drama about kanata you clearly saw where she stood with female interactions vs male. The way kronii acts around vesper is the way irys acts around kronii super genki and never shutting up.
> I don’t watch kronii this is just how clips and Twitter portrays it

>>47533666
You should look up her amazing shill tweets.

>thing involves Kronii
>/vt/ malds
You love to see it.
>captcha: VTNOSO

>>47541139
that's great and all buy why aren't you guys buying her merch?

>>47532500
> kronii's break meant somehow her fans couldn't order and not that no one wanted to order

>>47540620
No all you hear from this is someone talking out his ass. He rather believes everyone is dumber than him then think maybe people just don’t want to buy kronii’s stuff. Fans of JP talents do drop offs to get merch that don’t ship out of japan. Simply means they get a guy in japan send him money to buy and ship it, but also gives him a fee for the favor, to the next country and then again till it can arrive to them. Much easier and safer if you have actual friends in Japan though.

>>47540380
Even 'casual' is inadequate to describe just how insanely out of touch these people can be while still thinking they're well-informed fans

>>47541098
So if the merch itself was 310 but shipping was only $5 you’d get it?

>>47541442
Of course you retard. That $310 is going to my oshi, not to some delivery company.

>>47541400
What is the context of this single tweet? It looks like it’s about Irys but he brought up no music. Which could explain why it doesn’t get views.

>>47541515
So to own the delivery company that is the only reason you can get it you’re giving your oshi $0 yea I’m the retard

>>47541361
Cope, ENfags are braindead larpers.

>>47541442
Not for this merch, but for last year's merch yes

>>47541679
I'll akasupa her a couple times instead

>>47541761
nta but so you're cool with giving 30% to youtube and another portion to cover?

>>47541400
>set her up to fail
lol are they serious? She could've been the default queen of Council and threw it away for nothing

>>47541844
The portion going to Cover still helps her. And sure 30% is acceptable

>>47541592
It's impossible to miss at least the first album getting shilled if someone watched a single one of her streams early on, yet he knows the interval between IryS and Council's debut
It smacks of the kind of person who only shows up for special events like debuts or unusual collabs but doesn't actually watch streams otherwise

>>47541931
She realistically only keeps 15%~25% of superchats

>>47540629
Shipping costs definitely have a ton of impact, but you also have to remember that the average whale doesn't even care so long as they can support their oshi. This is as niche a market as you can get.

>>47542065
She pays taxes on merch revenue too you know

>>47541931
cool, to each their own. Though you might want to consider multiple talents said the best way to support them is buying merch, not SC

>>47542208
That doesn't apply when the shipping costs are that high, duh

>>47542199
Add in the shipping cost and it might be less than the superchat. Gonna need someone to math that out to see if that's the case

>>47542346
I'd have to spend $328.68 before taxes to buy $127 worth of merch. That's only 38% going to Kronii before even considering the production costs and cover's cut

AHAHAHAHAHAHA SEETHING CLOCKCUKS ARE FUNNY

>>47542269
you do know that the shipping cost doesn't affect your oshi profit from merch right? like, they don't take a bigger cut because the shipping cost is higher. So it comes down to whether you want to better support your oshi or you want to make more bang for your buck

>>47532500
So breaks are why Gura merch are on infinite stock

>>47542955
In that scenario superchats and memberships are a better way to support my oshi though

>>47543056
is it? we don't know Cover cut in both SC and merch so all we have is what the talent themselves said, which is merch is better. Taking into account the talent has to fund a portion of the merch cost, personally I think it's better to buy merch

>>47536182
>>47538259
>>47539224
>>47539273
>>47539490
>>47539866
>>47539914

>>47538259
view-source:https://web.archive.org/web/20230329063755/https://shop.hololivepro.com/products/hoshimachisuisei_bd2023-an5th

>>47543285
That's because you're bad at math.

>>47532903
Enjoy your oshi while you still can

>47543331
>hours later, /#/tards come up with this
>could be literally anything
oh wow I'm sold, anon. I'm sure those qty fields are exactly what you think they are.

>>47543285
I imagine merch is typically the better option, but the JP girls in particular don't have to deal with the shipping monstrosity that the EN girls have to deal with right now, so when in certain cases more than half of the money going towards the merch is just covering the shipping portion, that's going to turn off people from pulling the trigger whereas some folks might feel more comfortable regularly superchatting which is demonstrably easier to validate numbers for than someone pulling the "trust me, bro" explanation on how many times a button on a site was pushed to estimate how much merch was sold.

>>47543670
I'm not even that guy or a numberfag but you are clearly shifting the goalposts there bud.

>>47543965
how so?

>homofags and kronies are deflecting, moving and shifting the goalpost

>ITT kroniifags coping with the fact that this is the only time that merch ever got extended

>>47541139
You didn't buy her merch either did you?
White knighting her on 4chan won't pay her bills in the long term.

>>47543860
psychologically I totally understand why the shipping cost is a deal breaker for a lot of fans but generally speaking I don't see sending the same amount of money through SC is better than using it for merch in term of oshi support. Idk there might be threshold where the former is better? but then you can easily pick out what's causing the shipping cost to be so high and buy the other merch, I doubt all of them are unreasonably high
You do get more out of it for SC-ing the same amount though so I give you that

>>47544536
I'd agree if the merch was good but honestly this set sucks and the only reason to get it would be to be able to say you have everything from your oshi, in which case it would be counterproductive to not buy the full set

>>47544681
I'd say it sucks in comparison to last year, but for me it's not "Fauna basic sweater you're probably never going to use" bad.

>>47540119
fuck you pay money

>>47533058
But you'd do it for your oshi right

>>47547823
No I hate being ripped off more than I like my oshi

>>47542065
>>47542199
>>47542346
The math is in IPO. They get a 3% higher cut from sc, members, and ad rev on average. If the talent puts up a bigger amount the share gets better but on average its 38.4% to 35.3%. But YoY had a 99% increase for members, sc, ad rev vs 161% to merch. So yes they get more of your support from the sc than the merch.

>>47534265
>>47537468
Gura sells the most merch. Her dino plushie obliterated Hololive merch sale records

>>47548379
That's Cover's revenue breakdown and not related to what we were talking about

>>47535085
Now show Gura's merch sales

>>47533058
Damn bro that about half of the money for a Glock17 shit dude that’s expensive

For whatever reason, maybe only about a month or two ago, another site I know that does international shipping also had some crazy issues. That site got the issue resolved, but seems like that may have been a blanket change from the international shipper that Cover hasn't really looked into or doesn't know about yet.

I've also heard things about by-weight vs volumetric shipping, which may also be a factor.

>>47548379 (me)
Most of them at minimum break $100k on merch vs most of them peaking at $80kish+ for the youtube cocktail. Personally I say go for merch.
>I’m basing it on most people having minimum 1000 limited that sell out
>Limited don’t really matter though most sell more than the limited. This is just for an unarguable minimum.
If you’re a fan of the top 10 jp members or Gura just watching them is enough to outearn most members

>>47537430
theyre more ok with Mori than they are with Kronii. Dunno if its because they secretly like Vesper a lot more over there and theyre jealous or what but it makes no sense given Magni has collabed more one on one with Mori than Vesper has done one on one with Kronii

>>47532903
>Couldn’t even gather the minimum necessary to place an order from the manufacturer.
Cope, kek.

>>47548456
Yea expenses and what not isn’t known but you get the percentage of revenue for the vtubers. It’s half the information but it’s better than 0

>>47549631
No it doesn't show that information

>>47537461
>Trinity
Things were better back then.
It’s a shame Ame threw it all away.

>>47548497
Her bag either almost doubled ina or did double and she was second place bringing in about $150k. 1 piece of merch from gura outsells limited merch for some talents. Really puts dino gura into perspective.

>>47549669
You do know what revenue means right? It also says rev share with vtubers right above the percentage

>>47549834
That slide from the IPO is Cover's % breakdown of what makes up their own total revenue. No part of that specifies what % is given to the talents or the breakdown of profits from any source in particular.

>>47549746
You can still shitpost with gura and Ina

>>47549319
Might be because Mori is shielded from shipping by calling them her sons, and Takamori still being incredibly popular.

>don't listen to those haters, buy my merch guys

>>47547823
Only my oshi, and ONLY if there's a hand signed card.

>>47537950
>(You)
You're assuming she simply wasn't already on the list and got to her turn.

>>47540160
What's the $21.68 for "tax" for then?

i don't get why people bring up shipping and other costs up when they apply to all merch not just kronii's

>>47551325
Kronies coping as usual

>>47551325
>i don't get why people bring up numbers and other stats when all of them have numbers

>>47551325
retard

>>47550758
What we lost.

>>47552919
>>47553049
Can you read? The shipping costs apply to to everyone's merch

>>47551177
That's additional taxes, probably on the product value. Duties are specifically an additional fee to do with imported goods.

>>47547823
my oshi wouldn't let me buy it with these regarded shipping costs

>>47539338
Ina's merch so far was absolutely fucking on-point (KDTD), so it's no wonder she has a dedicated fanbase willing to throw around money.

Takodachi's are highly marketable, and there's the off chance we'll one day get a daki that's made of pure SEXO.

>>47533058
Holy fuck what are those shipping fees

>>47540119
Couriers like dhl, fedex, ups etc., are a racket.
They'll add on as many possible extra fees as they can.
Heard from an insider in customs that the usual deal, worldwide, is that the courier companies do a deal with Customs wherevever they are to rip off users, meaning all these supposed taxes?
Most of it doesn't go to customs at all but to the courier company.
They are CUNTS.
Only use them if you live in an utter banana republic warzone shithole and can't trust your regular post office delivery at all or you're sending documents and need them somewhere else around the world PRONTO
>>47533058
At that point you'd either use geekjack because they send via regular, expedited mail or you get a japanese postbox reshipper like blackship, tenso, etc., etc.
Gonna be cheaper than dhl's fucking scam they're pulling on Cover.

>>47532500
Kronii total inventory sold less than Bae's rat pack standalone, it's that bad.

>>47553049
explain the cope to the retard then kronie

>>47555264
None of them had shipping as expensive as Kronii.

>>47538850
If people want it, there's ways to get it.
Re-shippers exist, and that's what people have reported resorting to.
People that want to support their oshi's find a way.
The apathetic or stupid whinge and cry and go blow their cash on something else equally or even more stupid.

>>47555080
I buy weird hobby shit (acrylic paints) in volumes much bigger than the clock and DHL/Fedex has never even come close to these costs from Japan. I don't get why it would be so different but I'm not knowledgeable about this shit

>>47534802
This meme is old but just now I'm noticing the horse behind Mori, kek.

>>47532500
isn't low sales good news for kronies? maybe she'll change to earn more next time

>>47555431
The explanation I read is something to do with the size of the boxes. A reshipper, in fact probably most stores in general, will charge shipping based on weight because duh. DHL's deal with Cover bases the prices on the shape and size of the box, which is fucking retarded meaning you get absurd situations where a poster or tapestry or some other irregularly sized item can change the total price of a set from a $100 purchase to a $350 purchase compared with buying the shit separately and omitting the offending item.
People were playing around on the holoshop and adding parts piecemeal to the cart to only to see the price rocket up when like a single mug or acrylic panel was added.
An insane relic from wuflu period when the couriers like DHL were the only ones transporting mail around the world and Japan Post/EMS was closed to most countries.
They really have to get out of this shitty ass deal they made.

>>47555788
The theory I saw is that Cover is using DHL's express service which is supposed to deliver packages as fast as possible, which means they're probably putting boxes on planes to deliver them next day. They really should have a few shipping options depending on speed vs cost. Personally I'd like an option to pay a fraction of the shipping cost and they just throw it on a cargo ship. We're already waiting months for the merch to even be made so a few more weeks doesn't bother me.

>>47532903
Good one, clockcuck. I genuinely laughed out loud.

>>47555669
that wouldn't own the incel chuds.

>>47555315
Luna's was pretty bad when she released her merch.

>>47555788
The reality is that there's no good excuse. They are big enough to hire someone who knows how to handle this if merch is such a moneymaker. They would easily make back this person's salary in profits. Logistics is shockingly a thing. This is Cover being Cover and refusing to do basic business things while a team slaves away on hologenshin and a twitter clone.

>>47557283
Was Luna sales good still?

>>47558209
We wouldn't be able to tell what her overseas sales were like

>>47557283
Was this in-Japan shipping?
The issue is that the customers for EN are mostly outside of Japan, it wouldn't effect Luna's merch sales much if it was fine for shipping inside Japan.

>>47537247
What does this mean?

>>47533058
thank god I am smart enough to use a proxy

>>47533058
Umm sweetie you forgot to pay tip

>>47534039
I got the birthday limited set...

>>47533666
>Korean
>jaw surgery
>for ""TMJ""
Mhm

>>47558966
>Nation so addicted to plastic surgery they have a proverb for it.

>>47558911
There's no limited set...

>>47558966
>>47559087
You know she lives in Canada right

>>47560815
You know you're doxbaiting, right?

>>47549939
>Rev share with vtubers
This is the exact statement. YouTube takes 30% on ad rev, sc, and members I know this because YouTube tells you this. That leaves 70% meaning the 38% is either for cover or the talents. This is where the last slide comes in the 10% for licensing the ip this is sponsored collabs, figures etc. This is handled completely by cover so them taking the 10% split would make no sense. Again it says rev share with vtubers so it’s not about company they licensed it to. This means that 10% is for the vtubers and by that fact 38% from the platform is also for the vtubers. This tracks because cover takes around half and 31% is only 4% below half.

>>47551168
Did you ignore the disclaimer I don’t watch her it’s something I read here. I’m not assuming anything

Does Kronii pay rent for living inside unicorns' heads?

>>47558209
No one has gone through kronii situation of having to extend it prematurely so assume everyone has cleared the hurdle. For overseas though Luna doesn’t seem to have a smaller percentage than others. The average for jp though is 30% some will have more and some less.

>>47565059
If you look at the actual document instead of that screenshot it says that the 38% represents the current year revenue mix. It doesn't have anything to do with what percentage split cover is getting from that category, it is showing how much of Cover's revenue is from that category.

>>47566761
That would mean among the 4 they make the most money on youtube. Of I believe 68 talents 30 or so bat below a 100k average for vods for may of 2022 to now. Of the 10 biggest when it comes to vods 5 or 6 don’t stream. In the midrange 3 or 4 are inconsistent. 20 or so are below 5000k members. Superchats are probably the only sizable metric

Just off of en/jp because only theirs are made to order. 42 members 2 base merch runs birthday/anniversary and then celebrations reaching a million, special events, etc. 126 runs almost all running limited meaning the minimum is near 100,000. This is removing all stars and ID only using the base runs with limited merch and it clocks in around 12.6 mil usd.

If you’re right cover is pushing at minimum $14 mil on youtube. That seems very likely

>>47532500
???? why though? isn't this shit made to order? I don't think they would need to extend it again to sell

>>47532500
What a surprise, people don't wanna buy merch from homo's cumslut

At this rate Kronii is the reason why no EN3

>>47565407
does she pay rent for living rent free in a bunch of scorned, former kronies' heads? gee I don't know, and don't think such people don't exist and that everyone that hates her now is some evil schizo incel boogieman because vengeful people exist for a reason, as they felt slighted by something, in this cause, kronii and her actions. It was better to have crazy fans stay happy then to turn them into enemies.

>>47532903
Show me your order, chud

>>47532500
>It's now a yab to have your merch sale period be extended because you couldn't promote it properly due to your jaw surgery
Man you sure showed me. Fucking retard.

>>47568719
If the talents not streaming really hurts covers financials? Why aren’t they forcing them to stream? Heck , holoEN only tried again recently because of fan backlash not from cover.
I get it that the girls gets to have the merch revenue and just shares a cut to cover , so streaming isn’t really incentivizing on them if they’re already iconic figures like gura, marine, shion, Ayame, and aqua all of which barely streamed last year

>>47568907
I think ID only has 2500 max to sell since theirs is only limited. I would assume you have to at least beat that.

>>47533796
I bet your believe in flat earth too

>>47569312
That’s why I’m saying YouTube being their biggest doesn’t make sense

>>47534039
The whores will realize beggars don't pay eventually

>>47534746
If I want godlike gameplay or funny group activities I wouldn't watch Vtuber but actual top tier real male streamers, don't you know that?

>>47569614
Another thing I remember on that report is that one of their highlighted risk is “talent burnout”. So no streams would been bad for cover.

>>47535422
You don't even understand what you say, shut up nigga

>>47536013
>ESL monkey

>>47537430
I guess her new hairstyle and Re4 remake buffed her a lot

>>47569312
might have something to do with the fact that people like to throw money at "I'm back" streams, basically rewarding them for ghosting their fans

>>47539338
You can't find any fan more loyal than Ina's cultists in EN

>>47539866
What's the point of posting proof if you're incapable of accepting it?

>>47570006
Which "top tier real male streamer" does funny group activities regularly? Also godlike gameplay is not the only entertaining thing about a gaming stream. Watching someone discover a game for the first time can be way more rewarding