/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>collabs with males
>but also parasocial with fans
She's the prototype for based.

Ok, you can post example one anytime now.

Watame
Yuri from 774
Okayu maybe? She seems to really enjoy talking with her fans and appreciate them.
Bot really sure what parasocial means if it goes both ways

>>47196227
She is, but not like that anon. I mean, she cares about them a lot and wants them be as happy as we've made her, but I don't think it goes beyond that.
Also, wawa.

>>47196227
PARASOCIAL FUCKS

>>47196227
Probably Mumei

>>47196227
Kronii

>>47196383
Who is essentialy the definition of parasocial, though some retard gave the term a random negative implication because their lack of education and inhability to explain properly what they wanted to convey.

>>47196326
Here!

>>47196918
no, we're in /vt./ parasocial means being a loser in love with someone you'll never meet
get over it

>>47196326
alright

>>47196777
>>47196796
>>47196994
>
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>>47196227
The only HoloENs who are genuinely parasocial with their fans are Kiara and maybe IRyS.

>>47196227
Polka

>>47196227
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1790783137?t=1h39m36s

Watame
Kiara

>>47199908
What the fuck

>>47199864
Those were the times man.

>>47199864
Do women really

Damn, I'm gonna remember to love my oshi a bit more now

>>47199908
how is this who better than fauna at asmr wtf

>>47199864
I want to grab my oshi tight too...

>>47196326
Second

>>47200640
Kiara will sometimes start a stream talking about how she's stressed out and doesn't have the energy to stream, and you can just watch her immediately cheer up from talking to chat.
When her friends and family aren't around she'll do unplanned streams just because she's lonely. That's why she did a full LotR Extended trilogy members watchalong when she got sick in Japan and couldn't leave her hotel room, even though she literally couldn't talk.
And that's without getting into her knowing pretty much all of her regulars, not just paypigs, by both name and pfp (she'll comment on them changing one and not the other) and practically stalking them on social media.

Absolutely the poster child for parasocial streamers.

A lot of holoJP are.
korone, okayu, miko, polka, nene, koyori, flare, noel, marine, kanata, watame, lui... Not sure about chloe and luna. Pekora is parasocial in her own autistic way. Lamy was but it seems she's been distancing herself a bit so I'm not sure anymore. Matsuri might be but she's too much of a whore to believe it's true.
Also this is kinda a hot take but I believe towa is to some degree, but maybe I'm crazy.

>>47201716
not a hot take on towa, she's constantly begging for praise and approval on twitter when it comes to stuff and has a history of replying to menhera kenzoku tweets, a notable one being telling a guy not to kill himself

>>47201707
wtf I wish I was KFP now?

>>47201909
I don't watch her that much because I'm too commited to my oshi and she streams too much fps with males. Having said that and while I don't like male collabing I've always respected she's very open about it (she even plays off stream with her holo account. She's not hiding it, which shows some degree of honesty) and that she's clearly just a fps sweat: she plays them because she loves them and loves competing and it just happens there are a lot of males playing them competitively (I'm saying this because there are other members who plays them because they want to get male dick while hiding because they want to farm gachikoi, aka laplus).
I've always felt she loves kenzokus and hololive. She's a good girl beyond what schizos spit and shitposting.

>>47197189
we're still waiting dude...

>>47196994
if she cared about her fans she'd probably stream more

The only real answer in this thread.

>>47202232
the male collabs are honestly out of a necessity for her to play fps as you said, its why its always been stupid to shitpost her on it. shes been in 4 vsaikyous and all of them have been all women teams still. she just wants to play fps and theres only so many women to go around, shes befriended nearly all of vspo at this point because of it. if there was any holo youd want out in the fps/wider streamer world as a good model, itd probably be her.
shes plenty enjoyable out of fps if you do catch her then as well but as you said, shes just an fps fan.

>>47202743
she deserves all the love and affection she can get after the circus she was put through

>>47202351
Are my images not loading?

>>47202828
She lives in fear of being abandoned by chat. Most streamers do because of imposter syndrome, but her daddy issues and history and the most recent drama have made hers worse.

>>47202797
I do love her ikebo and and her singing. When my oshi isn't streaming and if she is playing something I like I watch her, I did listen partially to her lastest ASMR and it was enjoyable (I can understand how a true kenzoku would feel with it since I go nuts when my oshi does them).
I watch any holo jp as long as it's not some of the lazy lying zoomers; I'm too old to pretend their behavior isn't questionable to say the least.

>>47201707
A good oshi loves their fans beyond money. At the end of the day in hololive they are pretty much rich and the funny thing about money is that when it stops being a problem for you you get another set of problems: money will never make you stop feeling lonely and isolated no matter whatever fancy shit you buy and whatever hedonists tell you.
Imagine if you have a fan who's turbo dedicated but it happens he lives in a shithole or is a student. I do think they deserve respect too and a good oshi, one who's a real idol and not an internet grifter whore, will appreciate the loyalty of such fan despite of akasupa.

>>47202743
>>47202828
>>47203276
qrd?

>>47203716
>she plays wizard game
>twitter troons and vtweeters seethe
>takes a break but comes back
>calls them freaks and keeps streaming
>mass "graduations" of vtweeters and vtrooners
and that's me ignoring the drama within vshojo with froot and iron cunt being backstabbing cunts

I have never seen a male vtuber share as much as he does with his chat before. His own fans tell him to tone down the fanservice but it's like he can't help it. He loves his chat way so much. He's also the first male vtuber I've seen that directly encourages his fans to draw their fan sonas with him in romantic situations.

>>47196227
top parasocial

>>47196227
>Bae
>parasocial
M8, Bae, literally afraid her brats are going to rape and kill her. She just likes to perform.

>>47203942
>backstabbing
So much backstabbing that nobody left the org. But trust us, it was real backstabbing and not made up bullshit by /vt/.

>>47204291
wdhmbt?

>>47204418
>nux shit
>vshojo as a whole dogpile him
they have shown what their teamwork looks like.
>silver needs help
>"well everyone makes mistakes, teehee"
make of it what you will, but it was very evident what sides they took. there was no assistance for her. they covered themselves and left her to rot at best.

>>47204680
>but it was very evident what sides they took
Obviously not if you actually think what you think. The Nux situation is exactly why they don't make a lot of public statements about drama anymore and ignore the bullshit you guys manufacture. They talk behind the scenes to each other, as Mouse stated when people were trying to get her to talk about Silvervale on her stream. There was no 'backstabbing', no 'sides' taken. Everything Froot was doing was not linked nor related to what was going on with Silvervale. If Froot was attacking Silvervale, why would Silvervale stay in the org? If Ironmouse was attacking Silvervale, why would Silvervale stay in the org? If they all took sides against, her, why would she stay in the org?

Occam's razor, anon. What's more likely? VShojo antis and Froot antis who look for any reason to attack her or the org just made shit up to foster more drama or Silvervale stayed in an organization that hates her when she has the freedom to leave it at any time?

>>47196351
watame
gay sob story #997

>>47205011
like i said, make of it what you will. if they resolved it behind the scenes, good for them, but on the outside it obviously looks different. the anon i replied to wanted a qrd and i gave him one. feel free to assist him with archive reps

>>47201707
wtf I love Kiara now

>>47205586
>but on the outside it obviously looks different
The outside is full of dramafaggots and antis, which was my point the whole time. People gobble up misinformation and rrats like it's candy and then regurgitate it without question. Then, they ignore any correcting information or worse try to continue arguing why the rrat is correct despite the contradictions. So... tl;dr, stop believing shit on /vt/.

>>47203943
idk that comes off as more pandering to me but its nice he acknowledges he's an outlet even if he turned into a numberfag about it

>>47205826

>>47196227
>50+ posts in
>no mentions of Mumei
Get it together, Tyrone. This should have been the first answer.

>>47206760
Scroll up blindchama

>>47202896
They are... we're just wondering why you're posting irrelevant shit.

>>47206760
>Mumei
>Parasocial
roru
rumao

KIARA. ENOUGH SAID

>>47206760
The only EN who is parasocial is kiara and that's because she lived in japan and was groomed by japanese idol culture.
Western women aren't capable of feeling empathy or love beyond whatever degeneracy western society is teaching them.

>>47206899
do you have any evidence to the contrary or do you just like shitposting?

>>47196275
i want to share affection with this spider every night...

>>47207109
>shitposting
>posts Bae
you're trying too hard man.

Gura

>>47204291
is she really? I feel bad we make her feel that way. She's not my oshi, but making any woman feel uncomfortable because of me makes me feel gross

>>47207086
...Who hurt you?

>>47204189
based

>>47209112
Her being needlessly paranoid because she has woman brain isn't something you need to feel sorry for, anon.

This one

>>47209186
Nobody has but that doesn't mean I'm blind and unable to see how sociopathic people are nowadays. It's not their fault either, most of them are taught to be sociopathic cumdumpster whores from childhood; it isn't even their call at all. It's saddening.

>>47209842
not everyone falls for it.

>>47209890
Actual strong women, strong enough to resist and restraint themselves from the degeneracy society is bringing upon them everyday are, and they get more rare as the time goes.
They are easily influenced by their environment and most don't even get to have their own personality.
There are exceptions but that's what they are, exceptions.

>>47209282
mhmm, I don't know. My actiions making anyone feel unsafe, intentional or not, is always somehting I'll feel uncomfortable about

>>47210071
What the hell are you even on about

>>47199908
Too many saliva noises.

>>47213031
He's an incel retard who needs to go back to /r9k/ ignore him.

>>47206173
He said he would kill someone who tried to steal his fans from him.

>>47213907
what the fuck

>>47204189
Yep. You might choose to stay away from her for other reasons, but like her or hate her, she definitely takes the cake for most parasocial chuuba. No contest.

>>47204291
I agree that Bae isn't parasocial, but that's a retarded argument. Every single chuuba justifiably fears getting stalked and killed or raped by a fan. Cuz all it takes is one schizo. It doesn't mean she hates the rest of her audience and can't be parasocial with them.
If they didn't have that fear, then they might as well just tweet their home address. But of course none of them do, not just Bae.

>>47206995
>he doesn't know
lmao

>>47214820
t. non-bae watcher

>>47215897
>non-bae watcher
So, based as fuck and doesn't have tinnitus. is that meant to be bad?

>>47214820
Compare and contrast
Bae in japan trip
>I will NEVER tell you guys when I'm traveling for my safety
Mumei in japan trip
>I feel bad for you guys cause you expect me to be back at a certain time but management recommends that we don't say when we're traveling

>>47216337
So the same thing but more direct from the rrat?

>>47216337
Bae phrased it in a more assertive manner that's all

>>47216378
Mumei is empathetic, bae isn't

>>47216482
Agree

>>47216378
Mumei was being apologetic.

>>47216482
>>47216743
deranged posts

>>47216337
Both are the same thing
I find it funny how Bae just being concerned for her safety (which is a normal thing) mindbroke this guy so hard that he's still parroting it months later

Chikafuji Lisa, so sick with strep throat she can't talk but still insists on streaming using text to speech. Has also mentioned praying for us in the past and thinking about us when listening to music we showed her

>>47205011
Occams razor is MONEY that’s literally the simplest answer every time. Froot cheated on her bf or husband or whatever. IM lied about how sick she was. Silvervale literally posted a tweet saying she was looked at as a tiny statistic. Also people lie on stream all the time Mori said to kiara’s face she loved her cover a king and that she played it on repeat. Kiara doesn’t have a cover for that you think they aren’t afraid to lie to coworkers they won’t lie to the audience. Lastly there could be predatory fees for breaking the contract no one even knows how long you sign with vshojo.

>>47216802
What’s deranged about saying that Mumei wants to be as open as possible, but chooses to be considerate of her genmates?

>>47217610
Anon, you're suffering from rrat poisoning.

The only member of HoloEN with even a chance of giving a shit about her fans is Kiara because she hasn’t been caught being a two-faced bitch or outright displayed contempt for the people who watch her.

>>47217610
seriously gsh

>>47204189
No contest

>>47210071
brother just watch the anime girls say "wah" and play games

>>47217462
>Has also mentioned praying for us in the past
She's religious? (I'm new to watching her.)

>>47196227
Not reading your thread. Mumei, full stop. If she isn't streaming she's either keeping her pet alive or sitting in silence browsing the internet

>>47196227

>>47222578
QRD?

>>47221080
Between the praying thing, her getting really excited on time when talking about bands with Christian influences, and a few other small comments it seems like she is

>>47223177
Korean Jesus enjoyer?

>>47196227
Kronii

>>47196227
>>47197189
>>47202896
>likes males
try again

>>47223491
All the most parasocial chubas don't give half a shit about the male chuba debate, their love is too strong for the streamer-viewer connection to waver because they played Minecraft with a companymate. Only weak chubas fear it

>>47223491
Yeah, me

>>47216337
I think the word here is tact. Bae is an Aussie brat, meh.

>>47223491
parasocial =/= unicorn

Kiara Kiara Kiara

>>47222373
One of us. One of us.

>>47202743
I'm pretty ignorant about Silvervale, but I've been watching her play Zelda recently and that's been fun and enjoyable. She seems very sweet while being lewd at the same time. Her color scheme looks like she tastes like cotton candy.

>>47202581
when will this meme end?

>>47214820
Mumei has experience being one of the fans trying to stalk and rape so she probably isnt too worried about it. Also she 100% concealed carries.

>>47214820
>Every single chuuba justifiably fears getting stalked and killed or raped by a fan.
Mumei doesn't seem that haunted by the prospect.

>>47224200
>concealed carries.
>west coast
Any real FREEDOM anon could explain the error in your logic here.

>>47224200
>Mumei has experience being one of the fans trying to stalk and rape
huh

>>47224200
>>47224208
>you will never be raped at gunpoint by Mumei

>>47223491
Are you not a male?

>>47224345
Concealed carry is legal in all west coast states you just need to apply for a permit.

>>47224622
If you actually want it, then it's not rape. Which raises the question: is it actually possible to rape Marine?

>>47219144
Kiara's my oshi, but I wonder what it is that makes her give us so much love compared to so many other streamers who hold their fanbases at arm's length?

>>47224345
I'm an ancap, but even I think ppl tend to exaggerate this. Granted I live in WA, not CA, which is shall issue rather than may issue, but I didn't really have a problem getting my gun and my concealed carry. It was needlessly annoying and expensive, but I was still able to get it within a month.

>>47196227
Terumi?

>>47225671
Agreed. I’m a fucking leaf and the amount of people who moan about how impossible it is to get a gun as soon as some paperwork gets in way is too damn high. Seriously I feel like I know more about American gun laws than most Americans at this point. It’s gay and unconstitutional but that doesn’t mean you need to give up and stay a noguns

>>47223177
Rad. Weirdly enough, I consider religious girls a green flag, despite not being religious myself. It's a convenient proxy for having good values, ime.

>>47225281
We pretty much helped her at her lowest and reinvigorated her to pursue her goals. KFP also just loves going the extra mile for her. The shinjuko ads, popcon, dokomi, fanchats, etc. Etc

>>47224045
That is her whole thing, doggofriend. She is a sweetheart; just a wholesome girl who loves games and wants to share experiences. That's why she also plays a shit ton of random indie games nobody has ever heard of, for the experience of something new and unique and having a good happy cry with her fans.

She does also have her lewd moments:
https://youtu.be/p0le9LO61pQ

>>47224345
>Mumei is in my timezone
uhh wtf maybe i need a new oshi

>>47222713
Unironic Korean femcel whos a good singer/ music artist who is intensely emotionally dependent on her chat, follows her regulars and becomes depressed when she notices any of them leave. Suffers from the typical strict "Asian Tiger parenting "and is prone to having menhera attacks where she blames herself for everything. Aside from that she's really fun and does everything she can to make chat happy even if it does come to her detriment sometimes.

Kiara has admitted she’s parasocial, and sees it as just appreciating her fans. It’s only weird and unhealthy when you take it as far as Rushia did.

>>47196227
>genuinely parasocial
>bae
kekw

>>47230450
wtf she's perfect...

>>47201909
so I wasn't misunderstanding those moments. I don't usually pay much attention to towa but she's funny and cute when I do

>>47230704
bae is ridiculously dependent on her brats

>>47224622
I'm ngmi...

https://youtu.be/y4ERDwFJf30?t=4696
The way she fumbled around trying to explain her feelings was kinda cute ngl

>>47231357
lmao sure buddy. keep telling yourself that

>>47213471
>>47213031

>Whores writing off what taught in the Science books

Here's empirical proof your oshi can't take a cock out of her mouth during "work" anymore, pay attention to the "breaks", hell Irys doesn't even deny it anymore

Bae

https://www.youtube.com/live/j2uUJRxkiSs?feature=share&t=11958
https://www.youtube.com/live/j2uUJRxkiSs?feature=share&t=12301

Kroni

https://www.youtube.com/live/OYH0C_FTKPU?feature=share&t=3542

Fauna

https://www.youtube.com/live/r8oTzos2r3U?feature=share&t=26989

Irys

https://www.youtube.com/live/PA-DTKPIrLE?feature=share&t=9556

>>47231357
This must be a falseflag, there's no fucking way

>>47235071
>>47237715
NTA but to be fair, you need to be a streamwatcher to see how much Bae loves her fans and cuts her own breaks short in order to get back to streaming.

>>47237849
Ok, it is a falseflag. Phew. I was worried someone was delusional enough to believe this. Carry on then.

>>47237886
Did your oshi stream a month straight through perpetual coughing and sickness?
Did your oshi go the extra mile to record two high quality vlogs for her birthday? even commission a new 3D model with a special dance stream for it?
Did your oshi spend 20 hours of time in total in order to translate ancient japanese poems to english on screen for a japanese stream so the english fans could also enjoy it?
Does your oshi constantly lovebomb fans with surprise covers releases and projects from her own pocket?
Did your oshi ask for her 3D which hasn't had it's showcase yet to be included in the free section of holofes so more fans who couldn't afford the tickets can enjoy it?
Did your oshi stream and entire month straight without missing a day all the while also grinding her dancing at the same time to the point of exhaustion just so she can deliver an excellent performance for her fans?

Now I'm not saying your oshi doesn't love you but to not see that Bae love her fans makes you the delusional one here I'm afraid.

>>47196227
go to /pyon/ retard

>>47236916
Go back to your board

>>47236916
This is what actual schizophrenia looks like

>>47196227
No idol actually love their fan. Did you not watch Oshi no Ko

>>47238149
based

>>47238149
>obvious troll layers it on way too thick
>his falseflag is obvious for everyone to see
look man there are loads of good points about Bae, but to say she keeps her fans at anything other than massive arms length is just bait.
She thinks she'd get raped by us ffs.

>>47238362
>Failure to address any of my points directly
>String buzzwords together for le epic own
Sorry mate, I actually watch streams and have no qualms about a girl being concerned about her safety as she should, just how every holomem is.
You should take your meds and stop seeing things where they aren't, unless you are coping by projecting onto Bae in case your oshi actually doesn't love you

>>47238482
I'm not addressing a troll, you got your (You), stop trying so hard. Anyone with 5 seconds of research could address your bullshit above, it doesn't need countering by anyone who's seen her streams.
But no, keep stringing your buzzwords together for 'le epic own', was it? Ironic. Move on, nobody is biting your shit.

>>47238602
Since you actually claim to watch her streams, you could have actually addressed my points instead of typing all that load of shite
>Anyone with 5 seconds of research
Oh yeah, do provide me with your research and counter any of my claims above "brat"
You are full of shit and you know it, you know jack shit about Bae

>>47225281
I've always assumed because she's seen the idol world from both sides. She seems like she was a legitimate semi-obsessive fan before actually getting into the industry so she understands what it was like to be on other end of things.

>>47238362
>us
Stop pretending to a be a brrat, I wish nothing but the best for my little rat who brightens my days

>>47238755
The fuck? I love watching her, but you've got to be pretty retarded to think she's parasocial. You can enjoy someone without having to be obsessed with her 'loving' her fans...

>>47196227
Every chuuba is parasocial

>>47238684
Just stop talking to him. He's clearly the type who missed out on a highschool romance because he's too autistic and couldn't pick up the hints, LOL

>>47238917
I caught on to the fact that he's a falseflagger who's just seeking attention, not worth my time desu so I'll stop

>>47238802
>I love watching her
Tell me, who are g**se and k*n?

>>47238149
Anon, none of these points by themselves hint towards parasociality. These are the hallmarks of a person who likes her job and puts all of herself into it, which is very commendable, but you don't have to be parasocial towards your audience to work hard for pleasing them. Obviously this sounds very cynical from me and I have no doubt that Bae cherishes her supporters from what I've seen of her, but many others also do all of these. What the thread talks about is the vtuber going the extra mile unprompted to interact with her audience just for the sake of interaction and belonging or to feel dejected when they can't do so. Are there examples from Bae doing that?

>>47239099
spider and i aint mentioning the second as it was a members. can we move on now or do i need to keep passing fucking tests to have a different opinion?

>>47196227
Non. They like their normal chat/users, but non of them wants to have anything with crazy unikeks.

Its actually pretty easy when you answer the following question:
What kind of female want a fat insecure sweaty incel that goes utterly mental with impotent rage as soon as she talks to another men?

>>47239166
Yes, she did a guerilla month during the month she was sick and streamed a lot because she missed her fans and didn't want them to feel neglected
There was also that time where one of her days on the schedule was a break due to a convention she was set to appear in but she did a stream after she came back and she sounded exhausted but still wanted to do it so the fans feel like they got something
Just a couple days ago, bae said she wouldn't stream on schedule day but she lied and ended up doing it anyways since she wanted to zatsu with fans
She also promised she will take an off week after a busy month 6 months ago but she cut it down to 3 days since she already started missing her fans and wanted to stream
Now while I do agree with on that Bae isn't super menhera parasocial with her fans, my main point was how she still loves them alot

>>47239230
If you don't know about goose who Bae mentions basically every stream, you already failed in your falseflag and have outed yourself
embarrassing

>>47239230
>It was members
>Not the name of Bae's literal PC that she namedrops all the time
You just googled that shit and got cucked by Bae's topgun members tweet didnt you? Good job "brat"

>>47239446
Figured you were talking specifically about the members top gun part where it actually ended up being funny as fuck, rather than 'testing' something anyone could've gotten. but you go off sis, sorry for passing your test and you not being able to accept I don't think she's parasocial. Can you just take a different opinion now, or is this advanced falseflagging?

>>47239513
Uhhh... No?
Goose is the name of her PC and she namedrops it every stream
Like I said, fake brat who just googled that shit and outed himself

>>47239235
Anon, you answer doesn't make sense to the question. The question wasn't about vtubers who are parasocial with unicorns. In the question, the vtuber is the unicorn. Your reading comprehension mate.

>>47239552
You're not even membered, are you? Fucking embarrassing kek. Call me a falseflagger and you're a shitty greyname. Ok, I was right all along, you were just a troll. Well done, you made me actually reply, anyway you can fuck off, you've been outed now.

>>47239513
>Goose
>Funny moment in a members stream
Now THIS is advanced falseflagging, your irony is not lost here my friend

>>47202232
The FPS with males, especially top tier ones in CR, are the best thing for her. She doesn't need to rely on foreigners who don't understand her like 2020, she's got the JP FPS fanbase now. I also wouldn't really call her a sweat. She plays alot but she's stopped being so autistic about it like Matsuri/Chihiro who feel like they actually want to try and get better and honestly sometimes take this shit too seriously.

>>47239608
ooof googler-kun is mad that he got exposed for not watching streams and pushing his desperate brat larp

>>47239647
>m...my falseflag test got proven wrong so i'm going to keep doubling down because i care THIS MUCH about 'my oshi' being parasocial
like even if you weren't trolling at this point could you imagine if you were this delirious that a differing opinion made you sperg out this much. You need to tone the trolling down in future mate, couple of notches would help make it more believable

>>47239709
I'm sorry I mindbroke you this hard by being a streamwatcher anon

>>47239732
>t. greyname
and no u

>>47239497
That's exactly what he did, my fucking sides. What a self own

>>47197093
So unicorns?

>>47239839
>>47239552
you're not fooling anyone, mindbroken greyname

>>47196275
According to Ami it's not a parasocial relationship, it's symbiotic.

>>47239938
I can do this all day falseflagger threadreader-kun
Let's see who's really the greyname, Who's Bae's favorite voice actor?

>>47236916
>https://www.youtube.com/live/r8oTzos2r3U?feature=share&t=26989
Genuine mental illness

>>47240052
Wait, you said the quiet part out loud. You're not supposed to admit you're the trolling, mindbroken greyname. KEK.
so frazzled he's forgotten to hide behind his falseflag

>>47240114
Bah god, buzzword gatling gun!
My question made you quiver in your boots didn't it? once again I'm sorry for mindbreaking you this hard by the simple act of watching streams in order to BTFO your larp and attempt to impersonate a fanbase

>>47196227
Hey, here's a bit of trivia for you. It's not Parasocial if it's two-way. The defining trait of a parasocial relationship is the one-way nature of the feelings. If the vtuber has feelings for chat, and chat has feelings for the vtuber, it's just a regular relationship. There's nothing Parasocial about it because it's no longer one-way.

>>47240221
>p...please take my bait again i'm so desperate
utterly mindbroken. dance, puppet. kek.

>>47239938
What the fuck are you on about? take your meds faggot and start watching streams instead of googling stuff

>>47240276
Jesus christ.... I'm sorry anon, I didn't mean to go this hard on you by the simple act of watching streams and actually being part of said fanbase
I'm truly really sorry

>>47236916
Yeah, me.
P.S. meds.

>>47240353
>if I keep going it'll make it seem like I'm not mindbroken
are u ok mate rumao

>>47210631
You were raised by a single mom, weren't you? A man should sometimes seem a bit dangerous to women. She's should feel safe when with you but also know you could fuck someone up if necessary. Girls don't want a bitch male that is so concerned about everyone else's feelings.

>47240388
Welp, my condolences, I officially broke the bot

>>47226045
Please don't get with actual Christian girls. They aren't supposed to be "unequally yoked" with non-believers. And as the man you'll only be a negative influence on her faith. Just find a trad larper that you really want.

>>47240405
Kazuma Kiryu is unironically a good role model for people who don't understand this. You can even see it by how many women and men fawn over him

>>47217462
Lisa is precious

>>47239405
>>47238149
Nah, I'm not seeing it the way you put it or else you can argue Mori or Ame or Enna are parasocial with their chat. Not that they aren't for the obvious reason (I don't think that disqualifies anyone) but rather because they maintain an unmitigated separation from viewers. Of course everyone loves their fans and people have pride in their work, however you say it yourself she's not "menhera" about it when the commonality between the examples everyone accepts in this thread is that there is a definite codependence with their viewers. In other words, they don't just love their fans but feel they need their fans to love them/need to feel loved by their fans and can have their conflicts when interests clash.
nta btw

>>47240229
It's parasocial because "the chat" is a mashed up representation of their average viewer. If you have private chats with your oshi somehow then by definition there's a real relationship even a short-lived shitty one.
For the viewer the streamer is the persona.
For the streamer the chat is the persona.
That's why people feel weird in 1view chats because it's way more intimate than being even a regular commenter for your oshi.

>>47242135
Fair points and I get what you mean, I just wanted to emphasize that she loves her fans which the other anon was claiming otherwise and passing it off as a falseflag attempt in bad faith

>>47222578
>Has ads on her stream vods including asmr.

Haha no.

>>47240601
I'm good bro. The strong take from the weak, don't curse me curse your inferior self.

>>47247816
>The strong take from the weak
Nope. That's pussy Andrew Tate thinking. If you're truly strong, you don't need to take from anyone. You make something your own. And if you can't do that, you take from other strong people to prove your strength. Only a weak cunt has to punch down to feel superior.

>>47242135
Based take. Ain't no way bae is parasocial.

>>47246406
?

>>47238149
Based and true streamwatcher post, baeschizo in shambles

>>47201909
>Asking a guy not to kill himself
What did she say? Please tell down noose?

>>47247816

Big incel energy right here. Get off the internet.

>>47204189
who is this
im feeling something I haven't ever felt before

>>47196681
Why did she do that?

>>47228475
Isn't her corpo a lewd one, but more in the sense that the girls tell you about guys they've fucked rather than wanting to fuck you?

>>47253048
Kiki, a 20 ccv chuuba that has her own general called /pyon/

>>47249711
Tell that to every billionaire on earth, you copium addict

>>47253450
Ah, you think wealth alone makes you strong? I'm sorry to hear that.

>>47253437
thx luv u long time

>>47203716
She extremely parasocial for her chat, to the point where she talks about them being her closest friends and commissions porn of herself with and being married to a personification of them. She's been through a lot of trauma in her life, even outside of the HL thing, so I guess it's how she feels loved.

>>47252841
nice haha funny about the shitpost
but it was just “no, you have to live”

>>47236916
I dunno wtf is wrong with you, i don't even know what you trying to points out.

>>47253672
The poor girl's past relationships were abusive, and she had a shitty childhood and dad. She's literally scared to go outside with her mom and possibly also to sleep if you assume Ironmouse was talking about her. Her chat is one of the only things in the world that makes her feel safe.

>>47253932
*Without

>>47201707
Kiara, Polka, and Subara are probably the most parasocial in Hololive.

>>47253672
>commissions porn of herself with and being married to a personification of them

>>47254413
If you want the really, really parasocial vtubers you won't find them in Hololive

>>47254719
Mumei does the samething just no porn

>>47254413
Check her kemono, the green-haired dude is her personification of chat

>>47254719
Anon don't look at the brat cope itt and think that counts for all of hololive. Mooms and chicken are both parasocial

>>47254924
Do they ask for pictures of their viewers to masturbate to?

>>47255438
HUH

>>47255535
Squ has done it. Some guy was moping in her chat about being ugly and she said if he sent her a pic she would flick to it.

>>47236916
im sorry im lost what do these links show?

>>47230653
>t’s only weird and unhealthy when you take it as far as Rushia did.
The boss-employee dynamic unintentionally set Kiara up for an extremely stable and unproblematic long term relationship with her fans with clear boundaries. As compared to a typical Girlfriend/Boyfriend dynamic with her viewers.
Not that I'm saying the latter is wrong or bad, but even the most staunch defenders of GFE should be able to acknowledge that it's inherently more unstable and prone to hiccups.
A weird, but fortunate side effect of her stupid ass design.

>>47256017
Unironic schizophrenia where he's seeing things where there aren't any

>>47236916
Genuinely what the fuck are you even trying to imply here, are you alright?

>>47255787
Moom would make fun of you if did that, shes a brat

>>47204189
Kiki is a sociopath e-whore who used to call my friends phone all the time to try to convince him they were in a relationship. He was already mentally ill and she knew it too. She's a psychotic predator. Evil bitch.

>>47256842
this post brought to you by schizo who got laughed out of even /wvt/ for his laughably fake screenshots and now spends his days sending death threats to a sweet autistic 2-view

>>47255787
The more I hear about this woman the more I kneel

>>47257004
You mean these one's? Doesn't matter if anyone else doesn't believe it. Kiki knows what she did. Evil piece of shit.

https://voca.ro/1ma43MHqu6Jl

https://files.catbox.moe/pn1lai.png
https://files.catbox.moe/508n8d.png
https://files.catbox.moe/ef9d60.png
https://files.catbox.moe/h8m0gc.png

>>47257735
What do you call this kind of autism?

>>47257004
wow, caring about two roasties who act like they are in their freshman year of highschool, just ignore the mindbtoken schizo

>>47254760
real?

>>47255787
is it really this easy to get everything you want in life?

>holo anyone
>parasocial
Oh I'm laffin

>>47257735
if this was someone i watched i would be pissed, do only mentally ill soscipaths get into vtubing or what?

>>47258795
mooms mori and kiara absolutely fit the bill

>>47236916
holy fucking based

>>47254760
this picture really gets me going

>>47260522
>Mori
maybe only "real" deadbeats but meh

>>47202743
I love her

i like this thread

In general, vtubers fit on a seven step scale which portrays how parasocial they are. Let's say it's a scale going from 1 to 7 from the least parasocial talents to the most:
>1 (lowest outlier)
Their social media presence might as well not exist, doesn't read feedback (live or on a VOD, doesn't matter) at all, all they expect from their audience is unquestionable praise and support. I'm not even sure if a talent like this exists at all, but the scale has to start somewhere.
>2
Strictly business: social media posts are informative or promotional in nature, very clear that they are not looking to make friends with the audience and will scold those who step over the line, but still aim to be pleasant to watch and react to. Will read constructive feedback and answer in kind, but don't expect much presence overall.
>3
Generally friendly and keeps up with niceties (they will read the LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOO-type SCs at the very least, even if they don't give comfort to the donator), but they will mostly stick to their kayfabe and keep an arm's length to their audience. On their social media they occasionally share some fanart or small offstream stories that don't hurt the setting.
>4
Completely average, retweets fanarts quite often, they often look for live reactions and sometimes even continue from there, occasionally break character for a story, leaves the rare social media reply to a post or two.
>5
Likes the attention and they start to look for content which pleases the audience. Very friendly, occasionally playing into fantasies of some viewers and doesn't mind to be seen as an object of affection, even if they don't necessarily reciprocate. Frequent updates on social media, often without regard to their settings and will give extra attention to certain audience members.
>6
The interactions with the audience fuels them, very eager to please viewers who are no longer a mass of people but individual fans. Almost terminally online, egosearching and conversing with everyone who likes them. Often they express affection towards their audience beyond friendship and encourages the audience members to think of them as their significant other.
>7 (highest outlier)
The final level, what's classified as menhera. Internet fame has completely consumed their mind, will do anything that's asked of them and often they'll even do what is not desired if it brings the limelight to them. Acts up if anyone dares to ignore them, but even enjoys being hated if it means more eyes on them. The character might as well not exist as the talent takes over completely the setting, will meet anyone offline and publicly enters into relationships with those who tolerate her, bringing them into the setting as well.
Captcha: R8GAY

>>47265630
any examples of these tiers in action so I can better visualize?

>>47265995
I can't really find an example for 1, 2 and 7 and I'd rather not to, but:
>3
Suisei or Gura
>4
Bae or Selen
>5
Scarle or Kiara
>6
Nene from Kawaii or any other dedicatedly GFE vtuber

>>47265630
Trying to place EN or even just Myth on this list and having more trouble than I thought. Ex: some of them would move around on the list depending on what point of time you are referring to.

>>47266517
>Nene
LMAO

>>47266517
>>47266610
Agreed, fans of Kawaii's Nene are some of the most basic GFE casuals I've seen. Sure, everyone shills their oshi, but the tomos need to grow some taste and graduate from basic GFE 101. Horrid audio quality/no clue how to use KU100, no actual ASMR technique, most plastic and artificial GFE experience, somehow heavy ESL accent despite only being slightly ESL, oh and her rather low quality twitch thot/cosplay past. Needless to say, her top-heavy model is definitely heavily compensating and looks rather ridiculous (esp in her new outfit).

See >>47230450 for some quality menhera/yandere GFE that is genuinely attached to chat.

>>47253335
Get all your information from the catalog eh? Not surprised.

>>47240601
If one decides to date me, that is her choice to make. And that's between her and God (if he's real).
Hell, I'm open to being convinced anyway. Just never felt a reason to be religious up til now.

>>47265630
>>1 (lowest outlier)
>Their social media presence might as well not exist, doesn't read feedback (live or on a VOD, doesn't matter) at all, all they expect from their audience is unquestionable praise and support. I'm not even sure if a talent like this exists at all, but the scale has to start somewhere.
That actually sounds like Gura nowadays.. grim..

Pekora
Kson
Nazuna
Aki Rosenthal

>>47253544
Hate to break it to you, fucktard, but wealth and power have been synonymous since the beginning of recorded history and more than likely way before that

>>47265630
Three is the smart and healthy move I know, both for streamer and viewer, but holy fuck do I crave six so bad...

>>47253672
>>47254413
She also commed art of her getting gang banged though and their was dark dicks

>>47270707
Clutching at my pearls when the gangbang art is just too degenerate.

>>47270544
6 is the delusional ideal we all strive for mentally but would be hell to deal with in some aspects

>>47265630
I want to have a 7 Oshi so bad bros...

>>47201716
>Luna
Luna is hella parasocial, she even smooches her Lunaitos and pretty much can't live without them, she streams a lot too one of the girls that streams the most

>>47254413
again, kiki pyon does this too and much more

>>47196227
>Bae as OP
Nigga, what the fuck

>>47275423
yeah kek, this has to be a falseflag. she actively hates her 'brats'

>le baeschizo has arrived

>>47275369
How the hell do you do much more than that?