/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

>>47169567
Reminds me of the chinese travel guide that warned about niggers in London

So it’s deadbeats vs hoshiyomis now?

>>47169650
nah

>>47169445
>Ignoring the Aki/Fuma/Aruran/Matsuri collab that happened recently
ENs are a debuff, Mori is a double debuff. People just don't fucking like her and don't watch her. She had to go beg reddit to buy her shit recently and though iirc there's no access to those numbers I'm guessing even they didn't give a shit enough to actually buy any. The biggest thing she had going for her recently is people mocking her with fucking horse porn to the point management banned her having a horse for her cowboy costume.

>>47169650
>So it’s DeadCucks vs hoshiyomis now?
FIFY

surely King gold tonight right?

>>47169631
Bruh who knows if some psyco vtuber anti will try to sabotage the concert

>>47169667
>Mori is a double debuff.
Do you really believe the bullshit you're spouting?

holoen are failures

>>47169650
no we like more leeches vs nousagis

>no announcement
Then what's the point

>>47169707
>Kuzuha
>Gold
KEK

GRIM

>>47169729
All you have to do is look at your screen for proof. The only dumbasses stupid enough to deny it anymore are deadcucks with their heads up their asses.

>>47169461
I'm not sure what your point is
EN was running pretty high at that point for a variety of reasons (2022 peak was actually higher than their 2021 peak IIRC) and Mori herself was still pulling her weight
It's been downhill since then, only briefly buoyed by the 3D showcases and JP arc, and Mori herself has reclined the hardest
Unless you think EN and particularly Mori can recover by the time of her next sololive, I doubt it's gonna be as successful

https://youtu.be/nF8IWjDg1DQ
numbers?

>>47169729
NTA, but do you actually think Mori isn't a debuff ?

Shuba...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFLpqrR1saI

>>47169742
Shilling the blu-ray was the point

>>47169742
To shill Mori and Suisei’s birthday merch and BluRays.

>>47169770
The screen where Mori has more subs and more views than 99% of JP?

I guess that's it. I enjoyed the stream because I am learning a bit of Japanese. Thanks Suisei, you went easy on Mori.
>>47169729
NTA. Yes.

Can SuiMori beat SuiRobe?

>>47169742
Shilling her blu-ray

king status?

Did the audiance really gave up on cross branch collabs? JP X EN collabs have become a debuff on both sides how did it become like this?

>>47169707
I BELIEVE IN AZKI AND MARINE

>>47169831
Sora x Kaela got pretty good numbers for them

>>47169445
Unironically shippers, Roberu's viewership is made up almost entirely of people who love to see him flirt with girls

How come suisei failed to bring her own audience? Seems like the only people who were watching was the deadbeats

* SUISEI COLLABS THIS MONTH SO FAR *

>95630: Pekora
>37543: Iroha
>36684: Koyori
>27079: Lui
>21709: Mel
>19902: Mel
>16595: Roberu
>8580: Mori

>>47169846
Yeah but that's Minecraft and they are both low level holos that really dosent represent the overall situation like all the big holo JP X EN collabs we have had

Kronii cripple gold unless Milord has a graduation announcement stream.

>>47169884
Miko?

KUZUHA VS PEGO DIVERSION TACTIC
>Deadcucks really!?!?!?

>>47169860
most of new hoshiyomis are micometfags

>>47169884
wow my son robel is really a buff

>>47169884
WINNING SON! get fucked wigger

>>47169884
Hmm, could it be that Youtube manually blacklisted HoloEN channels? Too bad we will never get EN 3 and find out if new channels can avoid the same fate.

>>47169777
She still has the same range of 2-3.5k ish for debuff(JRPG) and 4-7k ish for neutral depending on overlap and time. The biggest difference is in July 2022 she had Elden Ring for a constant 6-8k and Rust after it finished to counteract her 2-3k JRPG/VN streams while in this timeframe RE4, the game that could have served as a counterweight to 6 hours of guerilla P3 at 3am had its number potential lopped off at the knees by age restriction.

>>47169884
Mori must have worked hard to be such numbers poison

>>47169831
Language barrier is too much for both sides of fanbase. The only situation where interaction between branches isn't debuff is when they're interacting using minecraft chat

>>47169860
Hoshiyomis love the cinderella story. That's why they are supportive to Migo (fellow 3view who became massively popular). Mori is the evil queen (started at the top and reclining)

>>47169860
>How come suisei failed to bring her own audience
It's not that. See >>47169884 for the potential reason.

Mori lacks "the box". She strayed so far away from the Holo box the very little interest in **the rest** of the fanbases of the other girls to watch her collabs.
It was not Suisei audience having a particular bigger interest in Iroha and Koyori over Iroha or Mel, it was the overall Hololive audience showing more interest for those more "in the box" than those less in the box.

It goes to show how "off the box" Mori got, even Mel elicits more curiosity from the general Hololive audience and she's pretty much outside the JP box as well.

Deadbeats, instead of covering Mori's ass for reclining, wrangle her into streaming buff shit instead.

>>47169667
>People just don't fucking like her and don't watch her
Not even JOPs?

Mori debuff can even turn a Suisei collab into a sub-10k stream.

>>47169800
>More subs so should have more viewers, but doesn't
>More "views" but never on her streams, only on old songs randoms get recommended, and they're not liking enough of what they're seeing to watch her either
These "arguments" of your only work against you now deadbeat

>>47169915
Searched "すいせい" in the title, what was Miko stream?

Is mori in the homobox?

>>47169996
MORE UNHINGED
POPULAR DEMAND

>>47169601
/news/ anchor
Reply with a short description of the news and a link to the source!

News from the last thread:
>774 to debut 3 new members, 18th April for account creation & 22th April for first debut stream, JST
https://twitter.com/774inc_official/status/1645985611499847681
>(Relatively) New JP Vtuber group, 5 members, debut marathon 14th April, JST
https://twitter.com/HHH0414_info
https://twitter.com/HHH0414_info/status/1645366073649422336
>774 in person & online Live in June & July
https://twitter.com/774inc_official/status/1645729106766729217?s=20
>Sponsored watchalong of The Dangers in My Heart Anime with Noel
https://twitter.com/bokuyaba_anime/status/1645985089556283398
>Gura and Lap+ figmas announced
https://twitter.com/gsc_kahotan/status/1645985841951416322
>A-1 Pictures to produce OVA for ChroNoiR
https://twitter.com/chronoir_info/status/1645728697364905984
>Hololive X Dodekamin collab 4 mil sales goal reached
https://twitter.com/maccaron61/status/1646061394700410880
>Cover corp new note, regarding merch production
https://twitter.com/cover_corp/status/1645698199116496896

>is on Mori channel
>CCV close to Mori's average than Suisei's
The fault is most likely in Hoshiyomis not coming right?

>>47170030
>>Gura and Lap+ figmas announced
Good Smile Company is losing money on all their non-Gura figures they have to keep making more of her.

>>47169996
>wrangle her into streaming buff shit instead
Hell no. I don't want tourists shitting up her chat.
Her 2k streams are comfy.

>>47170021
miComet

>>47170030
https://twitter.com/pacificracing/status/1646090799187361794

>>47170018
Imagine saying this when Mori has more Spotify listeners than all of holoJP combined

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuyzxpA63-k

>>47170021
https://vrabi.net/video/Kbc93McrEa4
77k n-filtered

>>47169948
>cull coep

>>47169825
Leeching

>>47170086
Holy shit, 4k on premiere!

>>47170056
I see.
If that is so, there is no point at defending when shitposters and genuine haters shit on Mori for having bad numbers.

>>47169831
Blame EN for lack of interaction and arcs with JP

If we’re the most influential thread how come we have 0 ability to affect anything?

Mori's recline somehow reminds me of Matsuri's

>>47170010
Not that I can see. They talk about how cool she is on twitter and 5chan but they're not tuning in either despite it being a perfect time to do so. Is JP twitter as much "all talk no walk" as EN twitter is?

>>47169974
>Language barrier is too much for both sides of fanbase
Mori speaks (enough) japanese and lives in Japan. IRyS is (half) japanese. Bae speaks japanese. Kiara definitely speaks japanese, and conducted interviews in japanese with the japanese girls.
One of the most iconic Hololive collabs of all times was that Mori-Korone "I'm die thank you forever" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-iQ9aR1aFU)) which pulled 56k people.

It's not a matter of language barrier. Kaela doesn't speak a lick of japanese (that I know of) but she's mingling with the JP girls without issues and so did Moona in the past.
At this point I have no idea of why this giant "wall" between EN and JP got erected but definitely it is not a matter of language

fat cat 20k with block game

>>47170135
We do though? Have you not seen the bait threads that originate from # they are always a hit piece

>>47169667
How could this have happened to HoloEN? They were so popular and so loved, but now all I see everywhere is hatred and mockery toward them, their numbers plummeting, and no new gen in sight, which seems to suggest that the branch was scheduled for termination some time ago. In fact, that would explain why some members effectively stopped trying if they knew it was going to be over.

>>47170135
>falling for the "most influential thread" mean
You must be new.

>>47170074
>Spotify
Now that one got a laugh out of me

>>47169996
no need i think shes that successful rn that she doesnt care anymore

>>47170152
Culture, probably. It's difficult to vibe with others with strong but clashing cultural sensibilities.

If Kiara will have a Pekora collab on her channel, how many viewers do you think she would get?

>>47170010
JOP would rather watch Suisei collab with the stars than Mori lol

>>47170056
What are you doing in /#/

>>47170135
We live rent free in entire board heads. That's influential enough.

Now that suisei know mori is debuff , will she stop fangirling her?

>>47170193
>Those numbers don’t count because they don’t agree with my narrative
Always funny

>>47169884
>Hoshiyomis would rather watch Robel than Mori
Jesas, Mori really destroyed her own image.

>>47170226
14k

>>47170179
Yes anon, they’re selling EN at auction to Saudis to recoup the losses after they sold out their concert.

>>47170086
>another shitty cover from a gen 5 member which won't even get close to 1M
it's okay when JP spam bad songs that will do terribly but it's not okay for Bae to release covers

I don’t expect /#/ to be smart, but are people actually trying to lay claim that Suisei in a tournament arc is actually her normal collab numbers on other people’s channels? Like dude, all you have to say is Mori is just a debuff. How fucking stupid do you have to be to think any collab with her is an instant 30k+ no matter what holy fuck
Have these people never seen a Niji tournament in their life? Do you think these streamers are actual 40k streamers when their baseball tourney rolls around? Like bro what

Does Koyiri stream on twitch? Couldn't she use it to restream older streams and maybe beat Pekora next year?

These cans...

>>47170090
Thanks! Here are the revised numbers

>95630: Pekora
>77721: Miko (88438 Z-peak)
>37543: Iroha
>36684: Koyori
>27079: Lui
>19902: Mel
>18460: Mel (21709 Z-peak)
>16595: Roberu
>8580: Mori

Mori stream finished, that was her final peak

suisei after stream
>checks vrabi
>looks at graph
>"kari-chan, your viewers is very low"

>>47170179
Well EN1 has had 2-3 going through some sort of break or burnout for like a year or more, IRyS never really explosively took off and didn't get a buff from her music output and Council had a graduation off the back of nine months of semi-retirement and a couple of them explicitly being part time hires or on break/burnout for a while. Couple that with there being a lack of driven types setting up collabs or interaction like you have on the JP side and it's not really surprising that the box withered and died.

>>47170267
Robel is pretty based tho

>>47170317
I will never forgive Nene.

Have Kiara invited Suisei to Holotalk yet? We can use that number as standard

>>47170328
Fuck off. Suisei is not that kind of bitch.

>>47170152
MINECRAFT is the great equalizer. All are equal before it, and as such interactions garner numbers. Outside of Minecraft, you start to run into issues. Need I remind the thread of the rather dismal PekoMoona Bomb game collab? It was fucking PAINFUL to watch that shit. In Minecraft, the chat interface gave both parties enough space to better understand each other etc etc etc.
Point being, Minecraft > all when it comes to the power to bridge gaps in Hololive.
Outside of Minecraft, the Coco and Rushia incidents have likely driven away many EOP that used to be interested in JP (even if it was only casually) and Tempus crashes the rest into a wall face first with no survivors.

>>47170306
>Does Koyiri stream on twitch?
No
>Couldn't she use it to restream older streams and maybe beat Pekora next year?
Streamhatched doesn't add youtube and twitch numbers. Even if they did, unless Koyori had it 24/7 she wouldn't get a high enough average to rack up enough hours watched to bridge the difference

>>47170350
She did, it did 20K, but Holotalk isn't really in line with baseline collab numbers

>>47170135
This thread discussed that raid is debuff, now NijiEN do raid less often.

>>47170143
The Kari-chan kakkoii crowd is the equivalent of the niggers that swear to God that Tempus is good.

>>47170302
>lower than Roberu
You can stop coping now deadbeat-kun

>>47170350
yeah long ago
it was super early morning so no jops were awake to watch
only europoors were up for it
https://youtu.be/a6DjP7NYwUE

>>47170302
Anon were in anti en hours or otherwise know as sea prime time. Come back in a couple hours and the thread should be better.

>>47170302
This cope is worthless since she had a collab with Roberu without tournament buff and with /#/ patented male debuff and still managed to get almost double the numbers.

>>47170179
>>How could this have happened to HoloEN?
>>now all I see everywhere is hatred and mockery toward them
>Good ones don't stream often
>Bad ones stream a load (Mori in particular was famous for streaming a shitload of hours)
>Some of the bad ones work up animosity with their or other's audience (Mori, Kronii)
>Management doesn't give EN3 so it's just the bad ones and the middling ones streaming regularly
>Since there's no "positive" force, the "negative" force overwhelms and wears down people's goodwill
Combine this with management's constant, and near willful incompetence and you get current EN.
>>seems to suggest that the branch was scheduled for termination some time ago
That's the crack talking. Stop doing drugs.

>>47170317
Oof. It's always going to linger isn't it. Even if they've mostly moved on, it sits there like a blank can...

It think it’s more so everyone could smell Calli’s desperation. The only reason Calli scheduled a Suisei collab stream after so long was to have her shill her blu-ray. Not even the pretense of pretending it wasn’t a studio-mandated stream.

Why were they even in the studio anyways? They didn’t sing anything.

>>47170261
>agree with my narrative
says by a deadcuck who doesnt understand that japs dont use spotify

>>47170303
Anon, only one anon argued against Bae releasing lots of covers that won't get traction because of poor song choices in terms of numberfagging.
And why are you dunking on JP? Do you want to be a reverse last samurai?

>>47169884
Graduation buff

>>47170267
everyone loves robel

>>47170426
>Calli
Don’t worry I’m sure you’ll be able to get the NijiEN AR BluRay soon!

>>47170226
25k. depending on stream time

Do Mori have another chemistry outside of Chadcast, Kiara?
>don't say homostars, we know it was a little bit forced on her part

>>47170421
Anon, you shouldn't have bothered once you read that last bit, it's a fucking crossthred shitposting harlot.

>>47170375
That's lame.

>>47170328
>"kari-chan, your viewers is very low"
To which Mori responds
>IT'S THE CULL! I SWEAR!
followed by a look of absolute pity thrown by Suisei and the studio staff

>cariope-chan .... ganbatte ne?

>>47170456
I don’t even know what you’re trying to say.

>>47170456
>Do Mori have another chemistry outside of Chadcast, Kiara?
Mori is Kiara worst collab partner, by far.

>>47170370
Suisei is exactly that kind of bitch tho

>>47170456
She doesn't even have chemistry with the people you listed.

>>47170328
>>47170484
>>47163830

>>47170226
23320

>>47170456
Gura

when will suisex going to coach korosan? that shit will be funny

>>47170456
>>47170486
>1 minute apart
>exact same ESL writing

>>47170261
I didn't even realize you were being serious. Were you? I thought you were fucking around. Again, they're not watching streams and they're apparently not even buying enough albums for Mori to not have to prostitute herself to reddit over it. Combine that with the fact the japs don't use Spotify much at all and it's pretty much an actual joke, hence why I thought you were taking the piss. Impressive of you to use a joke as an argument though, I'll give you that.

>>47170500
Proof or fuck off.

>>47170537
Korosan know which holomem should she avoid

don't tell me if it isn't Puyo puyo tetris coaching, hoshiyomis won't watch their oshi on other people channel

>>47170374
That’s why I like to use it as the standard of EN-JP collab number. It is as debuffed as it can be being on Kiara’s channel and they speak in JP

>>47170460
Bored, and that reply I wrote is truthful. It's largely why they've gone down the drain the way they have.

>>47170434
NTA
>japs dont use spotify
They do, though. I saw a youtuber randomly interviewing Japs on the street to ask what song they are listening and I was surprised many of them use spotify. Also, we have hard numbers as proof. All HoloJP songs are dominated by Tokyo listeners.

>>47170538
Stuff before party yab doesn't count

>>47170434
>>47170554
>J-J-Japs don't use Spotify

>>47170599
No, I just don't want to watch Mori

>>47170328
>NOOOOOOOO it's the timezone the day is rainy the horoscope told my viewers that it would be unhealthy to tune in
>I get better numbers on NA time anyways (use when streaming on JP time)
>I get better numbers on JP time anyways (use when streaming on NA time)
>it's not an event but it's on an event but it's the debuff game actually it's the debuff collab partner
>SPOTIFY SPOTIFY SPOTIFY SPOTIFY SPOTIFY

>>47170635
All me.

>>47170135
All the niji meme originated from here

>>47170635
>Ado
Are you retarded?

>>47170545
It's 59 seconds apart.

>>47170660
Mori is bigger than Ado, retard.

>>47170179
No EN3

Lmao

Kiara’s Do U hit 3 million

>>47170517
/#/ is now /wg... wait. It always has been.

>>47169777
These bitches just need to add minecraft into their weekly schedule and play a thing that people want to watch once a week.
Myth is definitely a spoiled gen. Playing whatever tf they want without repercussions from management.

>>47170635
is suisei the ado of hololive?

>>47170660
>replying to the cuckbeat discord deflection squad

IT'S UP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRtDvbKZ_aw

>>47170554
>If you advertise something you want to sell well it means you’re doing shit and going bankrupt
From the thread that brought you “If you sell out all the tickets it means you go in the red from paying fees” and “100 to 107 is a 107% increase”

>>47170123
>there is no point at defending when shitposters and genuine haters shit on Mori for having bad numbers
I am not the one who does that.

>>47170317
Where's this from?

That's it. This seals the deal. EN is totally worthless. Not even first army can carry them. I can bet all my money and even myself into slavery that if JP7 and EN3 debut at the same time, JP7 will have a higher average than EN3 in 2 months.

>>47170660
Deadbeat don't understand that japs barely give a fuck about Spotify hell the most popular song rn is Subtitle by Higedan and it's not even 100m at spotify.

>>47170698
I only care about 4BLOOD

>>47170698
DORYA

>>47170735
oh, azki's channel so 30k at best.

>NijiEN on recline
>Debut new wave
>their recline accelerate
>HoloEN on recline
>Debut new gen
>??????

>>47170758
1.66m

>>47170523
with block game buff, she can get 30k

>>47170753
>JP7 will have a higher average than EN3 in 2 months
Why is this included in your shitpost?

>>47170789
very funny yagoo, trying to stop the recline by skipping the
>debut a new get
step

>>47170740
While you make a valid point in that advertising alone doesn't mean anything, the fact that Mori shilled it on Reddit and to fucking homostars x Holocollab shitters does bring up ??? As to why Mori seems a bit more desperate than usual.

>>47170754
All from the deep Western fanbase of Hige Dandism I guess?

>>47170789
This is why Yagoo is the CEO and not you, or anyone in # or vt. You finally figured out why there is no EN3. Yagoo already knew what would happen even before Fulgur said the truth.

>>47170735
AZKi is going to punch Marine or something?!

>>47170685
Technically true

>>47170789
>You can't accelerate recline if you don't debut new gen

>>47170685
Everyone know about that, lol

>>47170742
Porka's cover is already forgotten less than a hour from release...

>>47170753
>2 months
you mean, 2 weeks when they are allowed to collab with the stars for popular demand

>>47170590
You are probably the same anon who believe Korosan hate Miko

>don't shill everywhere
>wtf dumb ENs leaving money on the table take a page out of Suzy's book
>shill everywhere
>don't you think that's a little desperate??

>>47170754
>japs barely give a fuck about Spotify
So where do they listen their music?

>>47170838
Yeah, in Puyo Puyo!

Here comes indie 10K

>>47170871
iTunes/Apple Music/LINE Music/Youtube

>>47170871
Itunes.

>>47170865
>/vt/ is one person

>>47170740
Last time she tried advertising anything on there was a whole year ago, otherwise it's the jannies job to make shill posts for her. The fact she went there personally to do it certainly says something, even if you'd prefer it didn't.

>>47170851
You mean day 1, when they all have mandatory "I want to collab with Homos" part on their debut

>>47170426
Suisei is an angel for trying to help Mori out but it's unironically over. She filtered her audience way too hard. Hope the homo collabs were worth it.

>>47170421
But seriously, why no EN 3? They must have decided to end the branch.

>>47170660
>>47170754
Cope.

>>47170871
Itunes/mora/youtube

>>47170824
>It’s bad to advertise your product in front of an audience of 20k+ live viewers because???
>It’s bad to take 5 seconds to make a minimum effort post on what even post decline is still one of the largest public sites of Holo discussion and the most socially acceptable to use is bad because???
Should she have done a QandA here or joined the fan discords?

>>47170789
Nijisanji reclines by debuting new people, holoEN reclines by not doing it. j
JP seems pretty fine, but they also have three times the people.
Debuting men instead of women also speeds up the recline. EN3 shouldn't have been postponed or whatever management is doing by delaying them by soon-to-be a whole year.

>>47170865
>we

>>47170865
Her way of shilling reeks of desperation though

>>47170884
>>47170886
But when Mori was topping sales charts on iTunes and you were told I’m Greedy was doing well on Apple Music I was told that was cope.

Here are all of the 15k+ streams by Mori since 2022-01-01
>28 streams
Out of which 19 happened in the seven months between Jan 2022 and Jul 2022, and only 9 in the 8 months and a few days between Aug 2022 and now.

Those 9 recent ones were
>Birthday 3D (24k)
>New outfit (19k)
>"Squad" Monopoly (18k)
>3D Showcase (42k)
>Myth offcollab (35k)
>New Outfit (31k)
>"Squad" Monopoly (22k)
>Announcement stream (15k)
>Collab with Vesper (17k)

>recline
>COPE we have other numbers that matter
>recline more
>COPE we have other numbers that matter
>recline even more
>COPE we have other numbers that matter
>recline to hell to the point you have to shill on /r/eddit
>COPE we have other numbers that matter

>>47170789
>HoloEN on recline
>Debut new gen
>their recline accelerate

>>47170915
So 4M can put you into the top 10 JP?

MY MIGO IN 30MINS

>>47170954
>you were told I’m Greedy was doing well on Apple Music I was told that was cope
That was cope because nobody ever saw these numbers and there never was any proof of it having any real basis in reality.

>>47170927
It's not bad, it's just a tad desperate since none of those tourists give two shits about her outside of the squad Collabs really. Also on the reddit thing, it's that she's doing it personally, see >>47170898
That's it. We've seen her numbers falter across the board on visible merch stuff too since last year, all of this shit is her own fault anyways so I'm not particularly upset she's getting what she deserves.

>>47170957
On that note: did Mori stopped doing her "English lesson" streams? They looked popular, did she drop it?

>>47170753
Suisei not being able to crack 10k with Mori is unironically one of the grimmest thongs I've seen so far. I know we shit on EN a lot but Mori being so toxic to the overall Holobox that 90% of viewers simply will not watch her no matter what means EN is on a much steeper decline than we thought.

>>47170837
NTA, but any random bum from the streets would bring a much better IPO numbers than Yagoo did. He is a fucking joke of a CEO.

>>47170915
Aimer is now whore

>>47171010
She dropped all her series except chadcast

>>47170977
There’s only 125 million people in Japan and once you factor out the children and the elderly who don’t know what a internet is that’s close to 5% of all of Japan listening to you every month without a big recent release.

>>47170960
Didn't you hear? Spotify listens are the only numbers that matter now. Mori is first army.

>>47171023
Did she give a reason or it was just something out of her reach due to other work commitments?

I didn't watch the Mori-Suisei collab. Is she really that much of a debuff that not even Suisei can carry her? I mean, FFS, she scored lower than a Kronii Minecraft stream when she should have been on the top of that rank.

>>47170960
I have a guestion? Why do you care?
Let Mori recline in peace.

Welp. This was a complete failure.

>>47171010
She went through all the JPs who were interested.

>>47171017
>grimmest thong

We have 2 10K indie and 2 10K Niji today

Jp does not use it can't be hololive music is just not that popular.

>>47171048
Because we've been telling you this was going to be the result of Moris actions for ages and all we got was "cope, EN loves homo collabs". Now what? Mori is so far outside the Holobox she might as well be a Niji

>>47171078
I guess the new genshin patch gave them some gacha streams ?

>>47171053
add it to the cope list
>uhm actually the numbers are bad because of copyright

Until we have solid numbers, saying that Mori's Bluray did not sell well is a rrat. This rrat has legs, but the rrat is still sister-tier.

>>47171048
The better question is why you decided to come here instead of staying at /morig/.

>>47171046
Her situation reminds me of NijiEN or even Luxiem. Too many small drama that makes non-hardcore viewers to leave them

>wins #1 female streamer with watch hours
>completely stops streaming
Yeah i kinda get that

>>47171094
>reasoning with the discordbeats

>>47171094
So? She clearly doesn't care about her streaming numbers so why should her fans do that either?

>>47171096
Genshin gold?

Baseballfag show Apexfag what the true tourism is.

>>47171090
>Now post other music app #s

>>47171127
>*defends it to hell and back for more than 2 years*
>actually we didn't care since the start cope and seethe!

>>47171127
You can't shill your Blu Ray if nobody watches you. She does realize that right?

Holy blackhole

Kekbeats keep coping that Mori only streams off hours or her game choices are bad. Face it, she's on a downward spiral, pretty soon she will become the new runt of HoloEN.

>>47171097
nta but not being able to watch a vod will negatively impact that vod's view count

>>47171169
and that was AFTER we had live ccv which turns out to be the only metric that matters here

>>47171096
Nah, new character is on 2nd half of the patch

>>47171169
I guess we’ll be able to see how many people watched live.

>>47171164
Even the most Holobox-reliant chuubas don't crater that hard, at least from what I saw in the past.

>>47171094
>Mori is so far outside the Holobox she might as well be a Niji
kek, you are closer to the truth than you could even imagine
>とこまちラジオ(仮) #14【戌亥とこ×星街すいせい】
https://vrabi.net/video/a4GYz0rcqyM

At the tail end of CCVID, in January 2022, a Tokomachi collab on Toko's channel got 8.1k, very close to today's numbers for Mori.

>>47171166
Why do you insist on talking as though deadbeats are like saplings?
They’re not here dude.

>>47171204
Nahida is one of the most popular character, they can still do gacha stream to great effect, even if they already have her. Like pulling for her C2/Her weapon/Nilou for bloom team

>>47171166
she already is anon. Karma has finally hit her

>>47171156
>*defends it to hell and back for more than 2 years*
I am not one of those people though.
>>47171158
If she can keep her hardcore paypigs buying her blurays she will be fine.

>>47171164
>king gold
>king gold
>king gold
>king gold

>>47171127
>so why should her fans do that either
They shouldn't and they don't. This is the wrong place to pull that card tho, any fan of hers in this thread clearly cares about the numbers

>>47171251
That's still Kiara. She's one of the runt of holoEN, but not THE runt of holoEN

Why is the timeslot not taken into consideration?

>>47171262
whatever you say copebeat, you can go back to propping her rm on twitter

>>47171164
That's the original "ILLEGAL VIEW FUNNEL"

>>47170907
>Hope the homo collabs were worth it.
It sure does, don't you see all those 20k collabs? It's big numbah

Fact is the only song Mori has released in the past year that has gotten any traction at all is her Kawaikute Gomen cover. If she doesn't take the idol pill and get her ass back on Minecraft it's simply over for her. The Hololive audience has stopped caring about Calliope Mori.

>>47171289
Because it's a JP collab in JP primetime, anon. With barely any serious overlap to boot. The timeslot is as favorable as can be.

>>47170030
>HHH
Wait, most of em are from holomamas?

>>47171289
>why isn't cope allowed

>>47171164
Ah yes, Kuzuha with his patented 'late start: Black hole! Opener'. Always funny to see it happen.

>>47171280
>Kiara
She still has one of the most devoted fanbase in Hololive and the box will easily accepts her if she keeps up with her MC and event stuffs. That easter stream is a proof. Mori can't

>>47171262
>>47171299
>Copebeat
I like that! Its very accurate representation to this pathetic Deadcuck

>>47171245
If they pull for the audience sure. No way these genchink streamers don't have maxed out chara/weapons already

>>47171310
So she should make more fuck the hater songs like Kawaiikute Gomen?
Because that’s what the song is, it’s entire message is I’m not changing fuck you if you don’t like it.

>>47171351
I am not coping though. You sound salty.

>>47171264
Only if he does well in scrims today, but his teams has got progressively worse scores each day

>>47171327
Yes. Lui's, Iroha's and Rushia's

>>47171310
>and get her ass back on Minecraft
She won't. She will play debuff games until the end of time.

>>47171356
>most devoted fanbase
Yeah, all 5 of them.

>>47171388
go back to sucking connor, that will lift your numbers

Here are Suisei collabs outside of HoloJP (with "すいせい" in the title) since the start of vrabi records

>17,616: Tamaki (NoriPro)
>16,595: Roberu (Holostars)
>8,580: Mori (Hololive EN)
>8,165: Toko (Nijisanji)
>7,197: Toko (Nijisanji)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-g3_EYi814
Time to test those JP tourists I’m always being told about. It’s a fan game too so buff content.

Reminder that this shuts up the /jp/niggers trying to hate on Calli

>>47171375
Genshin-only creators have whale accounts, but not most of variety vtubers. Have you never watched a vtuber gacha stream before?

Same day as Mooms?
https://twitter.com/irys_en/status/1646116628441239554

>>47171407
we're not talking about Mori here.

>Mori
>Able to collab with a 1st army chubba
>10K
KEK LEMAO! B bu but money still the same
>Fucking copium for a dying career

>>47171325
Anon, it wasn't JP primetime. That being said, it isnt in the weakest JP timeslot either, so it's more neutralish rather than buff.

>>47171438
>deadbeat casts "DEFLECT"
>it's not effective

>Calli

>>47171420
>actually butthurt
Sasuga SEA hours

>No peko stream today due to throat
Can miko or azki secure the gold from king?

now it's pathetic, go to reddit or the cuckcord orsomething

>>47171462
>chubba
Suisei isn’t that fat…

>>47171379
but it's presented in a very cute way, compared to her usual fuck the hater songs.

Actually her usual "Fuck the hater" songs kinda lost any significance now after she signed with UMG, since at that point she lost the siege mentality factor that is an Indie VS the big boys, and not just be that privileged mf #324124 in the music industry.

>>47171484
Thats how you can tell a Deadcucks /here/

>>47171111
>>47171094
I have doubts it's drama that's bringing Mori down, since other than homo collabs which she's had since last year, she's been doing fine in that aspect
I'd say it's more that she's done nothing particularly noteworthy the last few months except a surprising hit cover and her 3D showcase (which was still disappointing numbers-wise)
Meanwhile her streaming choices have punished her in both the holobox and the YT algorithm, the latter of which is damning for her music
Not that Mori was ever a strong streamer, but the number poison she's playing is like a double whammy

Mori started her career being the only one in Hololive who could mog Suisei's music in views. Their respective trajectories since 2020 are a lesson in using the Holobox effectively to propel yourself upwards. Suisei got involved and encouraged pairings like MiComet. Mori isolated herself and shunned Takamori. Their positions in 2023 are a result of one recognizing the value of Hololive and the other disregarding it.

Suisei is 2 time Mario Kart champion and Mori didn't even bother trying. Things like that reflect on a person and reveal their attitude toward success.

>>47171289
I mean sure the timeslot is shit but there also seems to be people who just didn't want to tune in, too

>>47171507
salt on the wound? sounds like I touched a string there

>>47171379
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFoGNZ05CJw

It’s entirely possible that all the JPs that listen to Mori’s music and call her kakkoi don’t watch her streams. Not even Suisei watches her streams, and Mori’s her oshi.

>>47171525
Deadbeats here don't use Calli.

>>47171437
>>47171452
>wants the buff so bad she fucking rushed to play it before Mumei
Jesus christ IRyS

Tempiss will save mori

>>47171551
>164k views
Is Kanauru debuff?

>>47171452
literally 2h from now, she steals the first time experience from Mumei

>>47171554
It's entirely possible that JPs watching a Mori stream is akin to ENs watching a Marine stream.

>>47171554
she must've really liked her King cover

>>47170135
Reminder that this board couldn't even deal with Depressed Nousagi

>>47171379
That’s just the effect of covering a popular fotm song. Just look at Kiara when she actually did the same with Goodbye Declaration.

Is irys that desperate for numbers she had to make a new stream after Mumei released her schedule?

>>47171554
The JPs mostly watch clips to keep up to date with each other, the the chagrin of ENfags.

>>47171550
I did not type this post

>>47171570
What do they call her? Skinny wife?

>>47171438
Damn, Nene in shambles. 2nd most subbed Holo wins in a landslidle. I bet Mori get 100k CCV in collabs with Suzy. Oh wait.

>>47171535
Mori should learn from Suisei and not stream that much so she's only known for her music output.

>>47171533
YT algorithm kill most Hololive songs. The era of "put any songs and get easy numbers" is over. They must put good and interesting songs to get big numbers

>>47171612
I mean Mumei played Passpartout 2 the day before Kiara even tho it was in her schedule already. No one cares.

Have Kaela ever accidentally read some yab SC? Like someone using word play to make her say nigger

>>47171591
Those are pretty good numbers for non-Kobo ID

>>47171450
Retard there's only one Genchink stream on the tally rn, take a guess on who it is

>>47170317
Triangle ...

>>47171438
>Mori plays into gap moe
>It works
Who woulda thunk

>>47171655
It's not even a comparison, IRyS is wildly outside her fucking timeslot in a rush to play it first.

jwu so don't know if this was posted as i don't feel like reading archives right now, but it hit 100% so they're getting an orisong

>>47171511
>>47171462

Meanwhile HoloJp music views are the lowest they been for a while.

>>47171660
>>47171591
These are better sub 24H original song number than 80% of HoloJP what the fuck are you talking about ?

>>47171656
No one cares about nigger here

here it comes, the classic deadbeat holo-vs-holo deflection

>>47171612
>>47171437
It is scheduled at 11PM JST on a week day, hours after holo primetime but we will see. I don't really think I can attract that many tourists, so maybe 6-7k max?

>>47171535
honestly it's more of another case of "Put your effort 100% in holo and holo fanbase will 100% rewards you".
All top holos are those who doesn't have any active RM (like, actually active, not just being on twitter). Meanwhile Mori's career was fluorishing before that lean yab, which is the catalyst for notMori returns, and her Mori's career has been on reclining trajectory since then.

>>47171675
Didn’t IRyS do this shit with Bae too? Like start her stream 30 minutes before Bae playing the same game.

>>47171680
Mori cant even compete with catto in CCV
>Pick another material Deadcuck

>>47171644
Suisei is quality over quantity. She doesn't stream much but almost every stream is kino content. She also does a lot of collabs to keep herself in the eye of the Holobox and maintain relevancy no matter how little she streams on her own channel.

>>47171680
Okayu is probably the worst victim of YT algorithm. Her song number after algorithm change isn't good. She is spamming new orisong and cover isn't helping too

>>47170685
in certain ways, yeah

Here is the list of all of the streams with "すいせい" in the title (that includes all of Suisei's) that didn't make the tally by having under 10k CCV in the past 12 months
>today's collab
>Suisei sponsored watchalong

Outside of that watchalong, this and Toko's collab at >>47171432 are the only times Suisei failed to make to the tally since CCVID (be it in her channel or any other in a single POV collab)

for my next trick, I will pretend to be from [fanbase], start a war and then complain that [fanbase] it's at fault

Deadbeat, stop posting posts that shit on other holos like last seamurais. We get it. You love Mori. But it won't change the minds of others who hate Mori to the bones.

>>47171706
You mean yours holo vs holo war so you can blame deadbeats who aren't even here.

>>47171612
holy shit, is she realyy gonna play civ 5? why not 6 tho

>>47171438
Nene is just your generic nice japanese girl while Mori is a weirdo wigger. A fight between a normal girl and gap moe is just not fair.

>>47171706
Funniest thing is that it comes from the "last samurai" schizo, which sometimes also moonlights as the "gen5schizo" copycat

>>47171792
She's played like 100 hours of it off stream

>>47171793
>her mom didn't actually know

>>47171678
it opened yesterday?

>>47171792
Civ 5 is KINO.

>>47170685

>>47171689
The top Hololive song are so overperforming, that number looks bad in the eyes of /#/ residents

>>47171763
Same thing happened to Matsuri. Though I blame reputation more so than algorithms. There can only be one big Holosinger at a time, and currently it’s Kobo.

>>47171775
Jesas...Mori...Do something, save yourself. You lost to fucking Roberu...

>>47171697
That was not my question.

The reason of Mori's recline is she lose Gura's blessing

>>47171825
Nah, almost a month ago

>>47171680
There's like hundreds of HoloJP songs now competing for views and it seems the algo is favoring Niji more. Look at Mito's and Salami's covers.

>>47171678
What's that? What hit 100%?

>>47171792
It's the one they got perms for. Also Mumei played V a bunch during her break and it's her first Civ game. Maybe she and Fauna will request perms for VI after this. V is better than VI anyway even without mods.

>>47171847
blessing of the atlantis isreal...

>>47171841
She didn't, she is a fast reader and when the text of the SC is innapropriate she just says
>Anon A. Anon, get some help!
and moves on

>>47171858
Fauna doesn't give a shit about VI lol

>>47171847
Nah, all of EN has lost Gura’s blessings and their still doing okay.

>>47170135
I mean, data from here is what made HAL speak up about CCVID, we found that phenomenon first, even JP numberfags took the stuff we made to call out youtube.

>>47171855
Their sales goal

>>47171847
Will Kiara finally incline?

>>47171678
I wonder if they'll make a double goal for two orisongs, because it is MONTHS from the end of the campaing, no?

>>47171884
Recognizing CCVID before any other site was /#/s finest moment

>>47171094
>Mori is so far outside the Holobox she might as well be a Niji
With the recent Kronii thing and this I'd say those two are closer to the homo box than anything, except they get a subset of people who'll ONLY turn up for mixed collabs too and then ignore literally anything else they do.

>>47171847
she consider hololive streams as a kids play and all she needs to do is pretend to enjoy
people gets tired of it and fucks off

Speaking of song number, Moona's new orisong already beat Risu's even with one day disadvantage

>>47169707
>king
stop this cope faggot
he's a paper tiger at most
king of leeching at best

>>47171356
>The box will easily accepts her if she keeps up with her MC and event stuffs.
Huh, when the fuck did Kiara played MC for the last 3 months?

>>47171899
No because she refuses to play buff games outside of shit timezones

>>47171899
L O L

>>47171711
Oh yeah, Mori's "two bases" RM shit has got to be a huge drag
I recall her saying during her va-11 hall-a (or was it live a live) streams that she was streaming it to de-stress, which is a retarded reason - a content creator's first priority is to be as entertaining as possible for their viewers

>>47171913
I still remember the dates, we started seeing patterns on the 21 and deduced the infection mode based on multi-pov streams

lapusamawin

>>47171881
>all of EN has lost Gura’s blessings
Sure deadbeat.

>>47171881
nah anon, that just make the proof even stronger
>Mori got close with Gura
>Created Bonebros
>Gura ditched her
>THE GRIM AGE STARTED

>>47171109
I doubt they'll ever give up those numbers anon, especially if they look bad. If anything Mori's inclined to lie about them to save face.

>>47171913
I say the biggest influence of this thread is, due to the charts and tables posted, it put an end to the daily (sometimes hourly)
>OH NO NO NO NO, X mogged Y
with a screencap of the ongoing streams for X and Y.

Sadly, it just moved the battlefield to
>OH NO NO NO NO, X mogged Y
with a screencap of the tables with the median of peaks and averages, but at least it is monthly instead of hourly

>>47171899
Inclining requires the mindset to incline or shittons of luck

>>47171947
He is bronze king, slip king

>>47171792
Anon who the fuck wants to play civ 6 unless you’re genuinely finished with civ 5

Game is a pretty big step down from 5

>Peko's throat is flaring up
When was her hiatus last year again?

IRyS is such a shameless numberfag and I love her for it.

>>47171612
>Mumei playing history game
Yeah, they sacked entire EN management
She outright stated that she's banned from history content

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-g3_EYi814
EURO GOLD

>>47171926
>idolshit is fakery
>ironic cynicism is keeping it real
If it wasn't obvious to (You) fags since day one, then that's on you.

>>47171981
The fuck. Sumire is carrying these two lolis well. She wasn't able to do that with Towa and Matsuri

>>47171986
Kiara has one of the biggest name recognition in all of the vtuber world, one of the most widespread "unity" fandom and the only reason she can't incline is not because lack of luck or lack of resources, but because he fundamental inability to do
>what's NEEDED
to get a better result, instead of doing what is more convenient to her, or what she wants at the moment

>>47172033
>banned from history content
how racist is she actually?

>>47171899
only when she stops talking about herself and starts being interested in the subjects around her

>>47171109
Any musician who got to cope with stagnation and saying that they don't care about number is already a huge red flag in its own.

>>47171981
>matsuri 6th
iiyo

>>47172066
I say it is less about being racist but about being too dumb to figure out what's a landmine and what's not.

>>47172033
You're also a fucking retard because she said MONTHS AGO, like before the turn of the new year that she could play Civ but what was holding her back is that she had to give them a week heads up in advance and she was never sure she could do that and abide by the date she chose. Like this was maybe a month or so after Fauna played it, which was why people were thinking that management was testing the waters with Fauna first.

>>47171612
>Civ 5
Of fuck hoomans I might actually watch your oshi

>>47172051
Chihiro is a competent apex player so Sumire just needs to carry one person

>>47172004
Almost a year ago now I think

>>47172097
>she had to give them a week heads up in advance
isn't he schedule weekly? I don't see any problem with that unless there is a penalty for not playing something she scheduled (which I doubt).

>>47172033
That will always piss me off.
>i will never get a romanboo history nerd oshi
EN management fucking sucks.

>>47171792
V has less micromanaging bullshit
>t.someone that has sunk many, many, MANY hours into civ 5 AND 6

>>47171981
TEAM SNAKE BITE TOP 10 LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>47172066
holo(pod)caust

>>47171981
>lapusama 10
Kek

>>47172138
I dunno dude, just saying what she said.

>>47172140
Does Mumei look like a "history nerd"? I truly doubt

>>47171855
4 million units sold ( I think)

>>47171981
>10
kek

>>47172110
yes. will watch moom thread. Be sure to livepost here whokek

>>47172167
Mumei has been wanting to do ACTUAL HISTORY STREAMS but management won't let her. She's always trying to come at it at a different angle and they keep repeat shutting it down. Reminder they won't even let her talk about the history of the potato

>>47171913
Back when numbers was smart and not brown

I don't know why people keep confusing Streamcharts with Streamhatched despite the fact that they have a completely different logo and name.

>>47172167
I wasnt talking about mumei, im talking about EN in general. a vtuber themed around the roman empire sounds so good in my head.

>>47171612
Will EN play hogwarts already

>>47172199
>the history of the potato
Management just didn't want another chinese yabe but irish kek

>>47172199
They afraid those irelandbros gonna raises a fuss about their great famine...200 years ago kek

>>47172228
I mean, do you?

>>47172199
>the history of the potato
She'd have to delve deep into the Columbian Exchange which could be a problem.

>>47172228
>>47172242
It's about the Colombian exchange you retarded SEAnigs

>>47171792
civ 5 > civ 2 > civ 3 > civ 6

>>47172145
IV is the definitive Civ

Bros...

>>47172221
Roman history nerds are just as bad as Latin bros. Like stfu no one cares about your failed empire and dead language.

>>47172228
that would be dangerous, all 5 of them

>>47171879
V > VI, after having finally caved and bought VI since the entire thing was on sale.
This is after all xpacs are in place. V offers options without getting to bogged down in the fiddly bits, where VI begins to have a bit too many fiddly bits that it starts to creep closer to the EU series than it should (not that it's anywhere near the level of autism inducing fiddly bits that Europa is, but you get the idea).

>>47171094
Why the fuck would homo collaber Suisei's JOP fans eke umbrage with Mori? It's jus people having lost their patience with crossbranch collabs. A fucking subaru kiara offcollab only got 8k. Only pekora and Marine could giga boost these cause their viewers are just that loyal