/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

GezuGezu - RagTag archive: https://archive.ragtag.moe/channel/UCJGTtJdw1gtJKyMm0Fq2eng

Elia Stellaria - RagTag archive: https://archive.ragtag.moe/channel/UC0lSxKAt9osiA29vnk1R4sg

kirispica - RagTag archive: https://archive.ragtag.moe/channel/UC58Ng5nTN3aiVveus4DEEDg

Airi Viridis - RagTag archive: https://archive.ragtag.moe/channel/UCFcdX8we6-tSndu6w4bwnag

Gezu love

I want to forcefully minmax Gezu's Morrowind character so she can bear as many Kwama eggs as possible

I LOVE GEZU
I MISS GEZU

>>47072467
I'm not denying that she made a decision for herself and will have to deal with the consequences. She's an adult and all that.
But my speculation (and Reina kind of confirmed it) is that she was put between a hammer and a hard place: either burn bridges with her genmates or with the company. She ultimately chose her genmates, but the fact that she couldn't just stay in Kawaii and remain friends with them is entirely their fault. Hence the blame.

Don’t fucking send anyone creepy DMs. What the hell is wrong with some of you

>>47074140
I AM SORRY GEZU, YOU ARE JUST TOO IRRESISTABLE

>>47074140
This is /vt/, everything is wrong with a lot of us.
Still, don't send her creepy DMs. Bad anon.

>>47074255
You’re still not getting the Garfield cosplay photoset

I want to sniff Airi's girl smell!
I want to inspect Airi's horns. Are they made of hair or just the same color as her hair?
also new twitter pfp

>>47074548
It’s very cute, I love it!

>>47074140
>>47074369
This.

>>47073617
>>47073790
And nothing but love.

>>47074140
Kill yourself menace

>>47074140
schizo groomers is going to be the main audience for these girls for a while, unfortunately.

>>47076248
> a while
Lol

GEZU UPDATE: I still love her

What is the name of the Kirispica fans? Kirilings? I'm having an identity crisis anons.

>>47078628
Personally, I think Gezu is pretty neat.

Airi update: Finished all of not Airi's vods. She is cute and I love can confirm
AIRI LOVE

GEZU NEWS: Gezu cute, imp Gezu cute, Omori Gezu cute, blonde Gezu cute, Gezu cute!

I love Gezu, and I hope she's doing okay.

>>47074067
I feel the opposite coming from Reina's stream, like there was a lack of consideration which pushed Miryu away. Her speech about why vtubers shouldn't join a company seemed tailor made to address the personal issues Miryu tweeted about recently
>"Corporations aren't for everyone, if you are overloaded with personal work and you don't think you can handle a set streaming schedule or release content regularly"
In fairness it could just be a general statement, but it's weird that's the first example she thought of rather than numbers.

Reina's stream emphasized that she didn't think the individual concerns the talents shared were big enough of deal to graduate and also thought as a collective they had no reason to quit either. It comes off that she's demanding they have perspective for the sake of the company, whilst simultaneously not having perspective of their issues for their benefit. It's the classic line manager/employee disparity, she's sincere but not connecting with them. Her stance is clearest here:
>"I'm tired of people acting like companies aren't people or being inconsiderate of a corporate process"
Kawaii is a small company so I understand this to an extent, but it looks like the talents are the support structure for the company, not the company being a support structure for talents. Like how talents had to convince management that advertising was a good business plan. Gen 3 looked to be doing a lot off their own backs with recent covers, merch and events too and may have felt that Idol Project was getting more attention from the budget that's meant to be shared with everyone. As a result, from a stream/career support angle it would have just felt like an indie group that had to make arbitrary company concessions with little benefit until they got on the idol project long-term, and even then that's just for singing.
Reina might have been on point that they were only thinking short term, but who knows what else was going on. If it was up to the senpai to emotionally support gen 3 and the advice they were giving was "plz be considerate of small company" I can only imagine what kind of atmosphere that left for an isolated gen, even if it was a sincere attempt to help them by giving perspective. Simple fact is that rational takes aren't necessarily comforting.

Here's a summary of events according to Reina:
>Gen3 cancelled streams, gave burnout and issues with the idol project as an excuse (We're missing the full picture here, most were outputting decently and had breaks when needed and at least half of them love singing)
>Gen 1&2 talked with gen3, basically said to be mindful of how fans might feel over cancelled streams and that they're acting childish
>Meeting happens, management offers concessions to their issues
>Post-meeting, management tells gen1&2 that gen3 claimed the girls were unfair and didn't want to work with them anymore
>Naturally gen1&2 would confront 3 about it, some relented a bit about the graduation stance, then went ahead with it the next day
My speculation: management relaying that gen3 had an issue with gen1/2 is the straw that broke the camels back. That feels like a pretty big breach of confidentiality, Management shouldn't discuss meetings with staff. I personally feel like there's a huge communication drop-off somewhere here too, like someone in management completely failed to understand what points gen3 were trying to convey overall. Gen3 never expressed a problem with the other girls and may have just been referring to that one instance of being ganged up on having their issues called childish, yet management fixated on that as feedback when they felt they had adequately addressed the other concerns (we don't know if they were good concessions or not).

A lot of the long term goals directly appealed to Gen 3, you don't just give up things like the sheer numbers through algorithm blessings (Aletta), the benefits of group projects (Peony), the ability to design merch (Sava) or the resources to be an idol (Miryu). Reina and the others are fully in their rights to defend the company, because the worst thing you can say about Kawaii is it's a bit amateur, but writing off gen 3's decision as a childish impulse is intellectually dishonest when it sounds like everyone involved tried communicating.

tl;dr fuck you read the whole thing if you care so much

>>47082203
Holy schizo

>>47082203
mucho texto

>>47082203
I read it all

>>47082203
Your schizo brought something good up. Vtubers should have fixed salaries, working hours and do whatever they're being told to do. That means when company makes them do a donothon, they're being paid their weekly rate for the 40 hours, can take the rest of the week off and corpo keeps all the money. I'll post your schizo message to all other corporations so they can understand they can make even more money by acting like real businesses and not just having shitty contractors working whenever they feel like it.

>>47082279
>>47082637
Isn't it more schizo to be refreshing a dead thread for hours?

>>47082203
>It's the classic line manager/employee disparity, she's sincere but not connecting with them.
You missed something important. Reina said that Gen 1 & 2 talked to Gen 3 like they would talk to each other. So it's not a manager/employee disparity. It's that the two groups are islands with no bridges of communication from the start.

>>47082203
The thing about being overloaded is about Aruru. In the life in kawaii stream Nami mentioned the same thing.

>>47082203
>My speculation: management relaying that gen3 had an issue with gen1/2 is the straw that broke the camels back
would make sense
>reina talks to the girls
>they tell her they don't want to graduate but they'll have to see how management behaves
>next day the girls realize management talked about their private meeting with the other girls
>outcome is obvious
I always was of the idea that the problem was shitty management, specially for that 3am meeting thing, it feels like a revenge
>you make us assist to stupid meetings at retarded times, now it's your turn to stay awake for a meeting

Drama bad. Kawaii perpatuates drama instead of drop the graduation announcement and fucking off so kawaii bad. Simple as

>>47082203
This is a good summary. Sava and Peony specifically did not seem like she was putting her full effort in and both were very proactive in getting set up with their lives after the fallout. Miryu seems to be the one most abandoned, but I think it has a lot to do with the point Reina brought up - Miryu is probably not "fit" for the time commitment for the whole vtubing thing. Aletta is in the middle between the two groups. I don't know why anyone in their right mind would abandon a literal gift horse. The more you look into this the more it seems like Miryu is the one that instigated all of this.

>>47086898
>The more you look into this the more it seems like Miryu is the one that instigated all of this
I have no idea how you came to that conclusion but it would be so funny I'm supporting this rrat now

>>47086999
all rrats are true until proven otherwise by discord logs leak

>>47086898
It's a bad summary because you missed the point, everyone had reasons to leave and who instigated what doesn't fucking matter unless you are the absolute height of a bitchy gossiping whore.

>>47087573
I am.

>>47073456
Gezu discussion should just be redirected to /wvt/ where she originated from.

>>47087731
>all vtuber related disscussion goes back to >>>/jp/
based

Gezu disscision should redirected towards her blonde models huge tits

>>47087819
Hope that's as large as she aims for on her actual model, it's on the border of acceptable boobage before it starts reeking of being a western bimbo parody sorry Nene

>>47087787

>>47088470
She should make them so huge it's an inverse of the gremlin model

https://files.catbox.moe/rpg8ld.mp4

>>47091105
what a cutie. GEZU CUTE

>>47087573
>who instigated what doesn't fucking matter
Lmao I wonder why it doesn't matter now that everyone knows it was Gezu

>47092454
Be loyal to your oshi not a black company

>>47085435
Yeah too bad there wasn't a way to avoid this drama in the first place, like idk not graduating like a bunch of retards. If only there was some kind of really fucking obvious solution.

>>47082203
Mucho texto, but it's honestly a level headed summary for a schizo post.

>>47092658
There was a very easy way to avoid any drama, and "not graduating" has nothing to do with it.

Here are the easy steps:
1) Make the corporate statement about graduation, and do your NDA shit with the people that graduate so they will shut the fuck up.
2) Shut the fuck up afterwards.
3) Tell your current employees to shut the fuck up.

The end. The drama has not been caused by people graduating. Graduating for vague reasons leads to speculation, not drama (even where there is mass graduation). Letting your employees "state their feelings" and talking about it directly afterwards is generating drama.

>>47093114
>The drama has not been caused by people graduating. Graduating for vague reasons leads to speculation, not drama (even where there is mass graduation).
KEK

>>47093250
I meant outside of this board, anon. Of course everything generates drama /here/.

Who was notPeony before Peony?

>>47093749
She was not Peony.

this is "shit-stirring: the general" now so I'll just ask here, did anyone at any point mention them not wanting to do graduation streams?
pretty major point when you consider they disclosed anything that they could prove and could make them look like the victims

>>47093821
I just want to know how she was before...

>>47074140
They're getting harassed just like gen1/2 and kawaii management wanted.

>>47093749
she was a highschool girl

>>47092658
>They should give up a chunk of their donos to a black company forever because um... feelings will be hurt! They made the girls still shittalking them post graduation while they can't defend themselves under nda cry!
>>47093885
Reina ranted a lot about
>proper graduation for the fans TwT how could they
but on April 6th Peony and Sava had scheduled karaoke streams for April 9th and April 10th and the following day April 7th Kawaii graduated them so yes Reina is a lying cunt but not enough to get anyone sued because they weren't labelled as graduation streams
https://twitter.com/sava_kawaii/status/1644045847405948955
https://twitter.com/Peony_Kawaii/status/1644177737672798208

>>47094339
She did stream tho?

>>47094997
Kawaii was her first time streaming.

>>47095347
No way they would hire someone with 0 experience.

>>47095455
She's very vaguely hinted that she's done videos in the past, likely her roleplay recordings. But there's a high likelihood they've been completely scrubbed from existance. Other than that possibility, she was primarily a writer and that was the only true experience she had prior.

>>47095455
>>47095574
Koshita is a good judge of TALENT, but a poor judge of CHARACTER.

>>47096140
More like all the previous contract breaking villains were trying to get out his black company

>>47094658
>They graduated like retards because they didn't want to split donos with a BLACK COMPANY
>B-but also they definitely wanted to do graduation streams where they would have to split the flood of farewell donos with the BLACK COMPANY
>muh nda
I hope Koshita publicly waives NDA specifically to allow them to speak on this (without revealing stuff like future projects of course), not because I think they have anything worthwhile to defend themselves with, but because I want to see what your next cope will be.

it just doesn't add up that so many people has left the company and now whole gen decides to quit.

>>47096559
Do NOT try to understand women

>>47096583
Most companies tard wrangle women just fine.

>>47096583
Fucking prism project of all people has a higher retention rate then kawaii and they weren't even component enough to figure out youtube memberships for their first year

>>47096813
>component enough
kek

>>47096813(me)
>>47096882
*competent
plz for giv my incomponts

>>47096904
its to late ur incontinent

>>47096813
to be fair other than whatever happened with gen 3, it really wasn't kawaii's fault

>>47097221
Yeah retards fixate on the retention rate while ignoring all context.
>Hana
Was only in it for a potential visa, can't commit to anything (picrel is how much she streamed as the fruit)
>Aruru
Literal self labeled menhera, flaked on the company and let her fans think she fucking killed herself rather than tweet "i'm alive btw :3" - I still remember her fans were headcanoning that her house got broken into or her family sold her entire setup or something, because they didn't want to believe she could abandon them like that.
>Neena
The original betrayer
>Oceane
Everyone here knows

>>47097988
>BETRAYER
>was already graduating
>just decided to do all things she was already going to do as an indie early
>crucified for it
black company

>>47098131
A breach of contract is a breach of contract.

>>47082203
Good summary of things. I feel like gen3 problems started way before when management failed to address the doxxane situation quickly enough. This was the first time that some of the gen3 members had to consider graduation for their own sake because management failed to do anything else than give doxxane useless warnings. This created a mistrust towards the company than ran deep within gen3 and they had to stick together. Reina told that only after this incident, both gen1&2 and gen3 made a group chat and started to talk with each other. Of course gen3 would have their own clique when their seniors failed to take the initiative and make them feel like part of the same group. Accusing gen3 for their lack of communication feels like victim blaming.
Feels like most of the gen3 just wanted to stream and do fun stuff with their communities. Kawaii forces their talents to do a lot of extra work, like daily reports of their numbers, points reward system, meetings at inconvenient timeframes and forced donothons. Feeling of burnout is not only from the amount of work you do but also from how rewarding the work is for the individual. Maybe some of the gen3 members felt like all this extra work was useless for them and got in the way of their actual bread and butter which is streaming. This is very short sighted for sure and Reina might had a point when saying that not everyone is built for corpo life. But at the same time Kawaii might be larping as a bigger company than they actually are and it's all just useless paperwork that japanese companies love to do.

>>47096813
Prism project has that Sony money though

>>47098871
kill yourself menace

>>47098871
I will never forgive this BLACK COMPANY for forcing Aletta to earn 70k in 1 day for saying awawawawawawawawawawa yeyeyeyeyeye

>>47098871
I would say that it takes time for a 3rd party to address claim of harassment and doxxing. I don't know the exact time frame so I can't say how long actually took to judge. However, such claim does require evidence to be gathered and examined carefully to avoid persercuting someone innocent. In the perspective of the victim, it always feels longer than it should be.

>>47099796
It definitely had to be independently verified and proved beyond a reasonable doubt, not just because she was their #2 earner at the time, but because when you terminate an employee for something like that, you better be real fucking sure they actually did what you're saying they did.

>>47093114
>forgetting the 53% graduation rate
>none of the graduated member last more than a year
anon, you do realize that the company needs a damage control to not make themselves looks like the bad guy right?

>>47099983
The damage control is making them look worse because they're a Japanese company trying to use Japanese corporate tactics to communicate with a western audience

>>47100073
True
>company says the bare minimum to be """professional"""
They're withholding information and silencing their talents!!! BLACK COMPANY
>company explains what happened
They're perpetuating drama HOLY BLACK COMPANY

>>47099796
Menace had a mental breakdown when she saw what happened to her at cl happening again to Sava at Kawaii. Told her to fuck off because the company had to be black, no doubts, and to do the most damage she legally could on the way out to make a statement.
Ironic because Sava will have to deal with PrussianCHAD and the groomers again now, all of them will.

>>47100283
Sava should just mod me and she only has to pay me with her body.

>>47100396
Based PrussianBULL, get that wrench king

>>47093114
The drama has been caused by the people graduating for burnout starting streaming, networking and gathering whales the very next moment the announcement launched showing there was no burnout. I guarantee there would have been no such big drama if they all shut up for 2 weeks. Reassess, get their temp model and debut at once.

I am so close sending Gezu just
>Why even bother?
on twitter. She knows I am a long time viewer. This shit is unironically starting to piss me off.

>>47100638
corpo bootlicker

>>47100638
>I am a long time viewer
HAHAHAHA you're not fooling anyone.

>>47100705
I meant this delaying/cancelling streams.
>>47100715
I have been following her since her Gezu days.

>>47082203
I don't understand why people are falling for the "Reina's a good girl" shtick when all she did in her recent stream is act like the company lapdog to make the gen 3 girls look bad.

>>47100746
Suuuuure.

>>47100778
I have nothing to prove to you. If she doesn't remember my twitter name she really doesn't give a fuck about her viewers.
Yes i am angry i don't care.

>>47100838
You don't have to prove anything, you just look bad because you're acting like >>47100705. Good luck with your longtime fandom with Gezu.

>>47100759
maybe the girls should defend themselves because all it takes is a cute anime png to shift public opinion I guess, just look at the retarded take that Rev dramanigger had on this

>>47082203
>>47100759
>>47100890
there's a reason they made Reina do this stream instead of say Nami or Nene. i'm glad some anons are seeing through the bullshit.

>>47100563
>Gezu streamed literally twice (with one of those not even breaking 1 hr) before going back to postponing streams just to prove she actually was burned out
Gezu... I kneel...

luv gezu

>>47100955
>>47100638
I wonder if you really weren’t there yesterday to see why she had to postpone the stream or you just want to stir shit that much.

>>47100906
put me in the screenshot when Nami does a stream specifically just to btfo this post

>>47101018
>SEA hours
>Shitflinging starts again
Like clockwork

Don't you corporation fans have your own thread to shit up? I bet you'd jerk it to stock prices if PK was public

/sage/ more like /gezu/

commie retards lmao

>>47101046
shitty black company forcing their talents to improve corpo image
typical tactics of garbage idol companies to let the talents apologize on management's behalf to lessen the backlash

>>47101118
Gezu LOVE! She doesn't deserve any of this. Gezu I hope you aren't fiending for drama, you already admitted that you can't handle this sort of thing...

>>47101140
Yeah they should've had Kaolin do it
Kaolin SEX

>>47099962
Yea, and it's very frustrated for the victim to have to sit there and wait for it. That happens in case of real life abuse as well. In the victim's mind, they already witness first hand the abuse done to them and can't understand why the 3rd party take so long to find it, especially in state of heightened emotion.

Hope Elia comes out with some dogwhistling on the situation, the other 3 are too retarded sadly

>>47101118
Airi’s debuting only tomorrow, the rest of the girls haven’t announced their streams yet

>>47101168
>woman
>not egosearching or reading the thread that is 90% about her

>>47101206
kill yourself menace

>>47082203
Saving this post to eternally BTFO production blackawaii company shills

>>47101241
Nigga READ. I agreed with the post.
Gen 3 probably felt like management took too long to act because they viewed it through the perspective of the victim.

>>47082203
>Reina's stream emphasized that she didn't think the individual concerns the talents shared were big enough of deal to graduate and also thought as a collective they had no reason to quit either.
This was so disrespectful of Reina I didn't know why people didn't raise enough of a stink about this. It's like you're spitting on the concerns of your kouhais because you prefer to side with management. Utterly despicable behaviour from so-called kawaii family. It should always be the girls first, no matter what. I don't get why people are giving her a pass for this because at least you could say that Nami was upfront about being a bitch about it but this is purely disingenious of Reina trying to act like she has good intentions. At least someone had the sense among the gen 3 girls to change the minds of those who were almost persuaded by Reina to stay.

>>47100283
>Menace had a mental breakdown
So a normal day for her?

no shit they felt like it was an us vs. them scenario, just look at what happened after their graduation. their ""friends"" in the company immediately goes all out to shittalk them. pieces of shit lmao they were in the right to leave regardless of what happened.

>>47101376
Make it a murder suicide and take Gezu with you Menace

>>47100955
Yep. My point was they based the future of their success on grabbing the whales with them in their future lives and leaving as a group. This is usually stopped by two bad faith clauses in a work contract that linger even after contract termination. They are called the non-dealing and non-poaching clauses. The non-dealing specifically prohibits even indirect attempts at grabbing customers from the former company. If they had these in their contracts Aletta is already fucked NDA or not because of the banana polls and daisuki dayo~. The non-poaching clause refers to convincing other employees to leave with them and follow them in their future venture so if they decide to make their own group they are breaking it a second time. Gezu has already proven being unable to read a contract. Can't wait to see how many more clauses they will break.

I think it's time for Gezu to self-reflect.

Bootlickers company

>Can't wait to see how many more clauses they will break.
look at this good ol' corposhill excited at the prospect of the girls facing litigation all the while barking about muh international lawsuit would be impossible so the girls should just break NDAs
PATHETIC! you are literally getting off imagining things going wrong for the girls because why exactly? what the fuck.

>>47101464
It's not shit talk
It's perfect fair criticism
The issue with women friend circle is that they never dare to fairly criticize each other when the time calls for it. If the criticism comes from the someone remotely outside, then it's simply from the "enemy" and they are removed furtner away from the circle. Gen 1/2 wanted Gen 3 to succeed more than anyone else because they also benefit from it. However, women clique just say things to boost each other's ego and justify each other actions, leading to ruins.

Menace come back with a suicide ASMR

>>47101560
Yes Gezu. Please take a break and self reflect!

>>47101688
I actually like Menace but I do think it would be really fucking hot if she did real wrist cutting ASMR

It is kind of funny that the gen 1 and gen 2 girls are going to bat for the company when they haven't really achieved anything. No growth, no progress, nothing. They are not even among the top dogs in the small corpo scene. Gen 3 girls know this and that's partly why they left, because they aren't getting support anyway so why should they invest into working hard just for them to get taken advantage of?

>>47101755
wrist cutting ASMR with menhera rants about the vtubing industry and big corpos.
I am already hard.

i am very pissed at Gezu cancelling her streams but for different reasons. i can't believe she let Reina get under her skin. it's all fucking done on purpose. Gezu please you're smarter than this.

Still can't believe she's trying this again. Hopefully she'll take precautions to stop her tongue from melting this time.

>>47101813
I’m pretty sure she did it because she really wanted to talk back, but understood that doing that will only make matters worse. Knowing how agitated she can get, she made the right thing honestly.

>>47101868
i guess i should at least give her credit for holding back from BTFOing that retarded drivel of a stream

>>47101848
>already setting up her excuse to postpone because tummy hort from walking in the rain
I kneel...

GEZU LOVE

>>47101669
>Gen 1/2 wanted Gen 3 to succeed more than anyone else
you don't know this. you're just assuming things because you're a fan of them for much longer. i can just judge from their actions instead that they never had any good intentions with gen 3 considering all the bullshit they spouted immediately after the girls left knowing rebuttal is nigh impossible because of NDAs

I feel bad for Miryu. She was the one who interacted with her senpais publicly the most. She must have been very surprised and hurt at the harsh the people she previously looked up to are saying to her. She's in the right to leave with the others.

>>47101207
kys baiting dramafag. all she needs to do is to incline to get back at kawaii.

>>47102138
No, I understand because I feel the exact same way about gen 3 as a fan of gen 3, who wanted them to succeed. I do sense of betrayal and do felt that gen 3 acted brashly an ls unprofessional.Yes, there is a generation gap and possibly age gap between them and they only know each other for 7 months. Maybe they didn't proactivately try to reach out to gen 3 enough. However, they welcomed gen 3 any chance they got and tried to promote them in every ways. Shee, the youngest of gem 1/2, was the one who activelt reached out to all of them. Shee was the first to reach out to Sava, possibly even before other gen 3 members reached out to her. You have to be blind and jaded if you can't see that gen 1/2 want gen 3 to succeed. If they didn't care about gen 3, they wouldn't have gotten involved and try to personally talk to them. They would simply ignore everything, let management deals with it, and claim complete ignorance.

>>47102138
You retards are twisting yourself into pretzels bending over backwards trying to find some narrative where the girls are still the victims they duped you into believing they were. You can't even keep your story straight and in your retardation you're claiming that management and gens 1+2 simultaneously wanted to leech off gen 3 AND didn't want them to succeed.

>>47101118
Gezu cute
She does better asmr than Nene. It feels more intimate

>>47102418
>Maybe they didn't proactivately try to reach out to gen 3 enough. However, they welcomed gen 3 any chance they got and tried to promote them in every ways.
This, gens 1 and 2 are either introvert autists, extremely busy, or both.

Gezu rope ASMR when

I trust Gezu and maybe Eli to be smart enough to calm things down between the girls because all the shitty posts are just trying to make them feel bad like they are in the wrong. Some shitty narrative being pushed by fans of the company they previously worked for.

>>47102601
> gezu
> calm and rational
Yea....

gezu make sure to take care of the girls, be there for each other. you can make it through this

>>47102500
how convenient. like the dumb bitch Reina just trying to gaslight the most vulnerable among the gen 3 girls into staying reaching out to them after things went to shit instead of being an actual decent person by befriending them beforehand. what a fucking snake i am still mad at her stream. i really hope Miryu and Peony don't feel bad about leaving, fuuck.

>>47102626
She only has women moments about herself, people are painting her like she's the same tier of menhara as Oceane

Gezu you can convinced them to do a group suicide stream to really damage Kawaii. Of course you be the cameraman (female)

>>47102626
like >>47102713 said if it's for her friends i trust her not to fuck it up. seeing as how she managed to avoid letting Miryu and Peony get gaslighted i say she's been doing well so far. i relate to her in that way at least because as much as i sabotage myself, at least when it comes to the friends i have i take things very seriously.

>>47102683
If they feel bad for leaving the blame lies with the whore who tricked them into leaving, retard

>>47102802
look at how happy they are right now. miryu's situation is just unfortunate but as for the rest they are already ready to stream. what i was trying to say is that Reina was up to some bullshit by trying some divide-and-conquer tactics DMing them one by one like some fucking snake feigning like she's this good girl that everyone respects, almost ended up fooling Miryu and Peony. at least Sava (or maybe Aletta) prevented that situation.

Kill yourselves.

>>47102882
this but with menace

>>47102765
Holy shit you are delusional. You actually think Gezu somehow "saved" Peony and Miryu from being gaslight. You can't possibly think of the possibility that Reina gave out good and rational reasons to convince them to stay, but ultimately, they are closer as friends to Gezu and choose to follow her because they don't want to possibly burn bridges with her. What the fuck does gaslight in this situation even possibly mean?

I hate dramafags so much

>>47102437
Actually agree. Don't get me wrong, Nene does good ASMRs, but Gezu made me feel things I never even knew I could feel, it was an experience like no other.

>>47103070
I hate ASMR whores who never stream so much

>>47102879
>look at how happy they are right now
Every time something happens everyone is shocked because "wow we had no idea things were like this" and you still think you can draw reliable conclusions from their public actions? Even then it's still a massive cope because Aletta is already pitybaiting and Gezu postponed a stream and is preparing to postpone another one because she's "sick" after her walk to the store.

Shame that they didnt stay long enough to appreciate what they are going to miss. The cope that muh evil corpo steals 50% of my money is going to age like milk. They give you money for covers, singing lessons, art comms, dance lessons, and they create merch that bring in a lot of money. On top of that they will do the fucking legwork when it comes to concerts, sponsorships (and will keep you from getting ripped off by a sponsor low balling you) and other mindless tasks

I am not in the camp of REEEE TRAITORS SHOULD DIE, I just think that they are quite short sighted and probably dont realise how much work you need to put down unless you want to be the react streamer and girl friend substitute that farm supas all day. Plus that this will be a black mark that stay there for their entire vtubing (and maybe beyond) career that might make it a bit hard to make certain connections etc

>>47103049
Gaslight doesn't even mean anything anymore, it's just a zoomer buzzword for "person me no like say thing me no like and ABUSED me"

but what about Oceane

>>47103206
still a doxxer and harasser

>>47103070
Get used to it. With Gezu and Elia at the helm this will be drama central for a long time

https://twitter.com/kirispicaa/status/1645614246959673344?s=20

Have something positive for a change

>>47103219
hope you get doxxed again Menace, maybe by Gezu once PrussianBULL does his thing

>>47103163
I watched almost all small corpo, cyberlive, tsunderia, phase, VNU, Litmedia, Prism. I saw what their standards are and their flaws. I witnessed the fall of both cyberlive and tsunderia with my own eye and I know what incompetence corpo is like. Kawaii is not perfect, but it provided a lot as a small corpo for its size and budget.

>>47103163
Reina you already said this on your stream and only you ever throw out the company "benefits" like this. You made your point clear, the best you can do is let them have a chance on their own instead of continuing to poison the well with your own company bias on gossip forums, they don't have a support structure anymore. You're a nice girl, but it's this stubborn insistence that you're right that alienated a whole generation, it's no good to hear them and try to assert your own idea of the correct choice on them, try being more understanding.
Btw 1 song lesson a month is not a great company benefit for 50% of your income.

>>47103323
Why the fuck does the Prussian guy come up so much?

>>47103401
>instead of continuing to poison the well with your own company bias
You have no idea how happy I am to read this post. Other anons should see through Reina's bullshit.

>it's no good to hear them and try to assert your own idea of the correct choice on them, try being more understanding.
All that garbage about her voice not mattering was so fucking ironic when she is trying to make the voices of the gen 3 girls not matter at all. Who the fuck was she trying to fool lmao. What a dumb fuck

this thread had like 20 IPs during Gezus first two streams and no one was talking about the drama and people werent shitting on kawaii

>>47103468
Strange dont you think

>>47103468
it feels like reina's stream heated up quite a number of gen 3 fans. you can check the new gen 3 discord, they echo this sentiment saying Reina's too biased, praising Charzu for being very objective, so on.

>>47103527
>you can check the new gen 3 discord
I'd rather kill myself

I honestly can't imagine a discord being worse than this thread sometimes.

>>47103527
Reina constantly reiterated during the stream that it was her personal feelings, not surprising at all its biased

>>47103468
Just shows that no one here cares about Gezu or stream

>>47103527
>you can check the new gen 3 discord
give me the link i don't want to go scouring the web.

>>47103592
bait threads stopped getting frer bumps so they came back to the generals

>>47103557
i'm just giving a possible reason for why fans are now getting into it with hating on Kawaii. they can't vent on discord too hard because everyone there is forcing positivity so they are left to rant here

>>47103600
it's invite-only. you can DM some regulars like Nick22/RedDragon for a link.

>>47103639
so its a groomercord, its not going to end well at all

>>47103654
all discords are

>>47103639
>it's invite-only. you can DM some regulars like Nick22/RedDragon for a link.
So it's a fancord?

>>47103665
Chuubas will join eventually, maybe some are there already with smurf accounts

>>47103689
I think one of them is already there. The name she used isn't even subtle. But I'm too shy to DM to try to confirm. I'm just happy it's being legitimized in a way.

>>47103689
>Chuubas will join eventually
They will just make their own.

>>47103689
if they were smart at all they wouldnt

>>47103401
That, that kind of writing doesn't match Reina at all.
I personally think 50% is fair for what Kawaii provide given the size of their corpo and budget. Indie life with no cut is no walk in the park neither, even for the ones far more successful with than sava/peony/miryu and as successful as Letti at her prime (which she unlikely to get back to again). Look at the ex tsun for example. Amiya, Lisa, yuuna, Miori are the ex-tsun who are still active and very successful for an indie. They are all extremely busy and flooded with work trying to do everything themselves. Even Miori, someone who has as good number as prime Letti, and far more talented and well connected, has her regular menhera episodes regarding merch and vtubing work (music related). She even considered applying for a corpo again if she got back from her year long break, despite of her experience with absolute shitty corpos. Letti at best might ride it out a bit with lazy contents and getting free money from the paypigs. She will stagnate eventually and the paypigs will move on without anyone replacing them. Sadly, eclven O***** might last longer than her if she live in some 3rd world SEA country and has much lower cost of living.

>>47103689
>>47103725
gezu and eli are already there under alts. one of them is very obvious too.
t. inner circlefag

>>47103766
shut up dumb nigger

>>47103401
Reina's holier-than-thou attitude irked me

based discordfag presenting himself as a common enemy to unite both sides

>>47103862
rumao

>>47104008
cute

>>47104008
drink clorox after you are done with the soap

>>47104008
I hope you're ready for an unforgettable luncheon!

https://twitter.com/EliaStellaria/status/1645707148423249923

Pretty cute dayo

>>47104275
based PrussianGOD
can a groomer compete with oil barons though? how do they rank on the powerlevel chart? surely $30k donations outweigh any godlike grooming capabilities right?

Well, this is interesting!

>>47104327
I think PrussianBVLL most likely target is Airi or Gezu. Eila already has massive paypigs and you can't compete with that money with rizz alone. Spica remains a mystery, but I think she also has groomers with deep pockets on her already

>>47104418
>Airi
Akane > some new groomercuck

>>47103430
Because he's the one who blew the lid on Vera from Aetheria sleeping with her paypigs and killing off what was left of Cyberlive.

>>47104527
based

>>47104527
he blew other things on Vera too, if you know what I mean.

Does it come to light what Sava meant by $600 scam? I thought it was something to do with Norway. But now it's more likely related to gen 3 graduation.

>>47104527
>We banged trust me
Admirable that it worked

>>47104527
the groomer inside me is very happy about the situation because it's literally the best of both worlds. the clout of a girl being in a corpo (or was, at least) with the lower barrier to entry due to being an indie.
but also it's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation too because if it's not me, it's just going to be someone else considering other groomers aren't even being subtle about setting up shop. i'm going to be fucking shameless, fuck these infamous cucks.

>>47104690
become the next PrussianBVLL

>>47104661
Apparently just a food subscription, it was just a retard moment for her and nothing to do with graduation

>>47104677
Because it wasn't just one person, she'd been grooming several discordfags and actually traveling to meet them. This was a married woman btw kek

>>47104661
>blow 600 dollars on candy sub
>get mad that kawaii doesnt pay her an advance of 600 dollars
>goes total woman momento and makes her whole gen quit

>>47104677
Nigga had receipts and testimonies from other groomers who also banged her.
Vera literally disappeared from the face of the internet without a single word as soon as it was revealed.

>>47104690
>Girls become wary of groomers because it's all they read about here
>Never form a close connection with their fanbase as a precaution
>Groomers start grooming eachother out of desperation
What is this phenomenon called?

>>47104661
yeah menace rushed to her rescue
https://twitter.com/MAlchemilla/status/1645086435731488769
>>47104790
>What is this phenomenon called?
/yah/

>>47104790
If you didn't realize a dude (actually two) dropping 20k on you in a few days are really trying to fuck you, well... they know and they like it.

How come Sava can suddenly stream daily despite not streaming once ever since she went to live with her Norway oil baron

>>47104921
She was busy having sex with me

>>47104921
>can suddenly stream daily
Do you have proof of this claim? She has already cancelled once, she will probably cancel another stream because throaty hurt after cold rainy weather

>>47104969
She made plans to stream several days in a row so she herself considered she would be able to.

>>47104921
>not streaming once
she streamed once actually

>>47105040
Technically twice, the first stream had to be moved to Twitter space because she had troubles setting it up.

>>47104921
From what I gather, she's on that trip for family reasons, and she was limiting streams because of the scuff affecting quality. So kind of a semi-timeout.
Now she has to stream more to maintain her fanbase through this.

>>47105156
Norway sounds miserable honestly, she's probably streaming to cope with being trapped there especially with all this shit going on, should have just shacked up at Aletta's or Peony's for a week

>>47105341
>quiet, comfy and snowy
>miserable
do americans really?

>>47105374
It's April, so not that snowy anymore. I agree about the comfy part though

>>47105374
I'd agree, but she hasn't once said a nice thing about Norway besides seeing family

>>47105444
well she's also an american

>>47105444
Culture shock can be quite strong, even if the country isn't that different from yours. Besides, I suspect she lives in a more rural part of the country where there's literally nothing to do, and not in Oslo for example.

>>47105519
>nothing to do
It's not like zoomer women do anything else with their time than mindlessly consoom social media. I don't see why doing the same thing but surrounded by trees would be so bad.

>>47105341
>>47105374
It sounds like a comfy place, and her connection has been mostly fine. The problem is the computer she's using, and it's not accepting her good mic.

>>47105767
>t. guy who spends his free time watching vtubers and shitposting on 4chan

>>47105866
her mic quality in the last two streams was fine

>>47105915
These days even cheap USB mics sound mostly fine (using a 50 buck mic from AliExpress myself, and the sound is very clear), and this is what she got as a temporary replacement methinks

already leaking stuff... the horse fanbase was a mistake...

>>47106328
What leaks? No screenshots were posted. Relax. Calm down.

Do you think Spica will try to join another corpo? Making music as an indie is hard.

>>47106670
>break contract and burn bridges with a corpo
Yeah sure, the other corpos are going to fall over themselves to hire her

>>47106670
>making music as indie is hard
you're regurgitating rrats from /pkg/. look at miori. she has covers with 1M views as an indie. spica's talented enough to make it.

>>47106705
it's more difficult but imo like i said with her talent i think some corpos are willing to take the risk.

>>47106744
Miori is a burnt ready made oven meal away from killing herself so she might not be the best example of an indie to aspire to

>>47106670
>>47106705
Her only choice is to return to to kawaii somehow really unless she just want to fuck around as a 1-2 view vsinger or become a majority variety streamers. Breaking out as music streamer is pretty damn hard

>>47106744
I just want her to be successful. Her time as Miryu was a treat.

>>47106744
You are literally retarded. /pkg/ doesnt even matter in that context. Getting decent music deals and picking songs that will launch your career was not easy even for some of the bigger corpos. You literally need to be a complete newfag to think that opinion is just pkg rrats.

>>47106794
>Her only choice is to return to to kawaii
lol there's no way you're serious
i can say with complete certainty that if she tried applying to any of the small corpos you can see in the catalog right now she'd easily get accepted. i hope she doesn't get groomed into begging to come back to kawaii because of these stupid rrats or some stupid bullshit, wtf man.

>>47106744
Miori built a huge number of her base while in tsunderia, despite of it being a fucking shitty ass corpo. She also can aggressively reach out and network while Spica is too shy to do so and luck out with a lot of God-like connection, including ones in big corpos. Additionally, Mio has technical skill of mixing and tuning, which is in high demand in vtuber community and she does it for FREE for a while.
Spica run of the risk of stagnating like Chip, who despite a great streamer and singer, get fucking nowhere due to her insecurity and unwillingness to network because she's too busy and content with her discord groomers.

>>47106914
>groomed into begging
Another word that has been washed to mean absolutely nothing making groomers being viewed as normal instead of disgusting pieces of shit

>>47106987
>network
i think between the 4 of them seeing as how they're a tight-knit group anyway they have enough connections. i am sure with how close they are to each other it wouldn't be delusional to expect them to lend support to each other. it made me really happy to see other vtubers supporting them with the twitter follows instead of treating the 4 like persona non grata

>>47102882
the only thing that's killing itself is your irrelevant microcorp, Kawaiinigger

>>47102882
Lick boots

>>47106794
>Her only choice is to return to to kawaii somehow
It makes sense for someone who still supports these whores to say something as tremendously retarded as this

>>47107085
I also have some high hopes for them as a group, they have all means to make it happen.

>>47107359
Me too. UNITY LOVE!

>>47107433
>unity
>from 4 now unemployed women
>who walked out on a contract
>led by a menhera numberfag that doesn't stream or keep any of her promises

And even after all that they are still all close friends.

Is Airi's watchalong tomorrow? It's a bit difficult dealing with timezones

Legally, they were not fired, so it's not an impossibility that Miryu may pull a Sasaki Saku. Or any of them.

>>47107960
It's gonna be karaoke first

>>47107920
Lol

>>47108077
kill yourself thunderling

>>47108077
Imagine if one of them just went along to collect more evidence. Pls stop. i'm ejaculating too hard thinking about it.

>>47108389
holy kino

Please Miryu, come back. It's not worth it and you'll realize sooner or later

>>47108879
kill yourself neme

This many subhumans posted on /pkg/? Jesas. Good riddance I'd say.

Gezu should graduate from life

>>47110310
She'd cancel that stream too

Do you think Aletta will progressively change her personality or will she keep up the character?

>>47110362
kek

>>47110779
I think she will stay the same just more risky things from time to time

>>47110779
She will become a Vtuber specialized in findom and NTR

>>47110779
Probably keep the character since it brought her popularity in the first place

>>47111165
>findom and NTR
That will be Peony, she probably wanted to leave because she only had one retarded whale throwing money at her and it got to her head. Now she can take 100% of what he throws and other whales can try to compete to groom her

>>47111165
Elia is already findom, her fanbase was doing the same PomoDono stuff but offline. I never understood findom but good for them and her, win win situation.

>>47110779
She's likely continue going with the character type that worked so well in the past. If you look at her twitter she's just doing the same awawa ayaya chicken boiga girl shtick so much that if you took away the name they're basically indistinguishable from old Aletta Kawaii tweets.

Will her personality change going forward? Maybe, depending on what streaming circles she'll surround herself with. I know the meme is that without restrictive idol corpo oversight, all vtubers will inevitably degenerate into twitch whores, but in the end that depends mostly on what direction the few whales in her fanbase (that she's much more dependant on now) will allow and tolerate

>>47110779
I really hope she does since awawawaa is annoying but I'm betting she doubles down on it. It won't even be her talking about being in college 5 years ago or in an office 3 years ago, it'll just be "awawaaaayayaya um um um um eto dayo daisuki!" and that's the stream.

>>47113450
Findom is a cope for men who psych themselves into thinking they are sexually attracted to their awful girlfriend who uses them for money, which leads to degeneracy and donating to twitchtubers like that 30yo guy who killed his family for 200,000 to donate to an e-thot.

https://twitter.com/kirispicaa/status/1645791736730636288

Well, what it's gonna be?

>>47114106
Something resembling a venomous snake.

>>47114106
dragon

>>47113888
>Michael is a massive coomer
>Nick is definitely not opposed to lewd stuff
>Prospect is a mod in fucking EIEN
I think Elia won't become a twitch whore only if she herself decides against it

>>47114106
A dragon girl wearing a kimono that is suspiciously purple

>>47114106
A whore so she can match her future eien genmates

>>47114247
>>47114268
I wanted to tweet that in replies, but that would be too obvious. Now we know that it's definitely not a pigeon tho

>>47114554
Something like this, comes with a womb tattoo and a holder for condoms (unironically)

>>47114266
TALENT FREEDOM LET'S GOOOO

>>47114690
>Gezu is getting a orange cat model
>Airi is a green loli
they'll all get walmart versions of their kawaii models

>>47114791
Holy shit that's good model. Shame about that head.

>>47114827
To be fair the kawaii designs fit their personality perfectly. It's hard to imagine them as anything else

>Spica is going to be the loli she always wanted to be
maybe this timeline isn't so bad after all

>>47115429
>Gezu will have an optional pettan model
>Airi will be a loli
>Spica refused booba
Finally all my dreams came true. Thank you.

>>47115172
True, although I like the old Gezu model too, it also fits her.

>>47114791
>>47115003
Nimue is probably a good reference for what Elia could be in the future. I don't think she will become as big though, something like budget Nimue.

Do you guys actually want them to turn into whores?

>>47116583
I want Sava to turn around on my cock and give me some great reverse cowgirl.

>>47116583
I want Sava to turn into Savantha full time

>>47116583
only Sava and Leti

>>47116583
I want them to do what they enjoy and play the character they want to play.

>>47106670
>>47106794
Isn't she friends with the CEO of Eien?
Seems like the obvious choice for her.

>>47116583
TALENT FREEDOM BAYBEEEEEE

>>47116645
For real tho, I hope she'll bring back a Savantha-like gyaru as a recurring character.

>>47116583
I'll drop some money if they do. It's good content.

From what little I was able to gather from her recent twitter posts I've grown to have this highly unrealistic expectation of how big Gezu's future cat milkers will be.

>>47117092
>all others want to go pettan
>sava thought her milkers from the big tit corpo wasnt big enough

Also quints in captcha

>>47117092
Do you have an uncensored version of that masterpiece my good anon?

>>47117145
She did say that there will be a pettan option too.

>>47116583
i'd rather they be true to their selves instead of putting up the faux idol act that is kawaii's brand

>>47104921
see >>47105077
>because she had troubles setting it up
time moves in a linear manner, she couldn't stream because she hadn't fix her setup yet, now she did and she can stream
it's really not that hard to understand unless you have the mental capacity of a 3yo

>>47117693
>time moves in a linear manner
Proof?

>>47117092
Dang, those are some massive milkers. I usually don't even like them that big, but if she keeps them vaguely in shape this will turn out nicely

>>47116583
It'll filter out all the Idolfags that ruined their fanbase, so yes

>>47117693
>time moves in a linear manner
are you sure about that? someone once told me time is a flat circle

>>47116583
I'll drop them if they do

just to be clear, you are telling me that before reina's stream sage was a comfy general that discussed the girls they liked without throwing shit at any other girl or corpo with most of the conversations happening while the west is awake, and now all they do is talk about other girls, throw shit at each other, mostly at southeast asia times?

>>47117414
>muh true selves
pl-Miryu was basically the same as miryu, so there wasn't any change by the "faux idol brand" and she'll just continue behaving as before. pl-Aletta was a pretty normal irl streamer girl, obviously just without trying to sound like an anime girl and the ayaya shtick, but she'll keep doing that even without kawaii pushing her to it because she found that's what works for her and she's gonna milk that kind of character type for as long as its profitable. The only girl you'd have a point is Gezu who was more unhinged than she was able/allowed to in the corp.

Dead or alive, you're coming with me. Please put down your weapon. You have 20 seconds to comply.
>>47118170
>>47118170
>>47118170

>>47118264
Its still page 5 bro, at least wait until 9 or 10

>>47118312
I prefer cooking them the moment the old ones reach a bump limit, but sure.

>>47117092
Hi Gezu

>>47117092
too big

>>47117092
Perfection.
That is a masterpiece and those are perfectly sized. Incredible work!

>>47117092
I'm once more requesting you to post this on twitter

>>47118104
yes

>>47117092
I recognize the art style. Thanks

>>47117092
ywn be lovingly tackled by a tomboyish balding soapeater and smothered in her giant likely stinky milkers ;_;

>>47117092
Gezu please make the pettan model your main one

>>47121557
Nah, don't. Big boobs are the patrician choice