/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Didn't read but based fuck Mori

>>4703179
Holy shit I hadn't even realized how many fucking lies she had told over the months until you listed them.

CaLIEope Mori

>>4703179
And people said Cover's casting was perfect lol

>>4703379
I mean, on paper it wasn't bad They could hardly predict that someone who APPLIED for Hololive didn't actually want to be there and doesn't care about being a vtuber.

>>4703179
after all this and people still defend her?

>>4703179
I just wish she'd admit that she doesn't like video games and would prefer to focus on music and chatting with her fans. I think it would improve her streams and reputation a bunch.

i want kiara to cut back on interacting with her. it's becoming clear that the tsun act isn't really an act and she's just a huge cunt to a supposed friend. kiara deserves better than this.

Here's a good one
>I want to uplift indies

>>4703379
No one would have expected Mori to bite the hand that feeds, while being mounted by indies
And the best part
>Hey we LITERALLY make fun of you on trashtaste, thanks for showing up and giving us free viewers
And people were burning Kiara at the stake for Veibae's rant

>>4703179
this post would've been the perfect content cop-esque hit piece if you also add the timestamps of the videos where she makes all those lies.

It really is all god damn day with these threads, huh?

>>4703546
Gigguk is an indie isn't he?

>>4703179
Based

I wish Cover would remove her from being a regular vtuber, and bring her on as a music producer for the company. She could focus on music, like she wants to, and she could still make occasional appearances as a vtuber to satisfy her fans.

>>4703708
Didn't see any of you whining fags around when it happened to Coco, Kiara and Ollie.
Deadbraps are as fragile as their oshi.

This is good because fuck Hololive and fuck you Holosimps

>>4703808
Even if he is, he has 3 million subs. Not really someone in need of "uplifting".

>>4703879
Calli has been getting shit on ever since her memberships what the fuck are you on nigger?

>>4703179
meds and overblown to hell reaction, but I'll agree with you on the sole point of her not telling the truth about stuff being an issue. It feels like a bit of a regression to the November/December days, where she'd progressed so far in January-April

It pisses me off that she clearly had no idea who RZA of Wu-Tang Clan was when someone sent her that Cameo. I think her success with Hololive has gotten to her head and she genuinely thinks she can now make it as an independent musician. Does she not realize that her dorky raps only appeal to a tiny audience of otaku?

>>4703704
idk about the rest but here's the q&a where she can't name a single jp holo

https://youtu.be/G3zAKMFfilM?t=1654

>>4703179
if her music stuff rakes in the views and subs, why not just haver her do that stuff full time? It seems weird to me how she obviously couldn't care less about video games or streaming the same way the JPs or her genmates do, but she does care about her music and it obvious resonates with some people. Why keep up a ship that's only maintained by deadbeats defending her while she sips on her wine and is half-awake?

>>4703808
No, he is backed by kadokawa, and honestly most big streamers are backed by a company nowadays

>>4703879
Newfags getting uppity

It's not exactly a lie but she always talks about how she can hold a conversation well, as in "I'm not gonna approach people but if they talk to me I can hold a conversation just fine" which is hilariously delusional considering what a fucking sperg she is and how nervous she gets when she's with a new holo.

Honesty that makes her based, tribalist niggers should be lined and shot against a wall.
Always further yourself.
The kiara abuse is kino too hope it turn into ryona, its what the chicken deserves for forcing her shitty ship on her.

>>4703986
Jesus christ I thought things were being overblown but this is so sad

>>4703963
mori unironically is nobody without the anime avatar

>>4703963
Not to mention that to make it in the Japanese music industry as a female you have to be very young and very hot.

>>4703963
So I wasn't the only one who thought it was odd she said Ar-Zee-Ay instead of Rizza.

>>4703348
Someone should make the Carlos strangle pic with Ina instead

Is Mori a covert narcissist? She almost never takes responsibility for her mistakes. It's always someone else's fault.

Whenever somebody constantly has to lie and make excuses and never accepts that they're the problem, that's a pretty bad sign about their character.

>>4703986
deadcucks explain this

>>4703986
>Rain
Holy shit, kek

>>4703986
cuckbeats will defend this

>>4703986
>defaults to a fucking ID
Jesas

>>4704155
He even said his name in the video and she still pronounced it wrong!

>>4703379
The amount of money and constant 1mil+ views on her music I think they probably are satisfied

>>4703986
Fucking kek, the same thing happened with Suisei people had to literally scream in her face until she noticed it how much Suisei likes her

>>4703986
>Pronounces Reine is "rain"
Holy fucking shit...

>>4704294
Hey, it's not like she's ever claimed to know Japa-
Well fuck.

>>4704285
Yep, and of course she pretended like she knew who Suisei was all along.
At least she had the decency to show up in her chat after Suisei covered Red.

>>4703986
Most based shit I've ever seen.

They need a harsher tard wrangler for her J-chad is probably a roll over simp.

>>4704155
>Ar-Zee-Ay
Oh no, did Mori really?
For a rapper, that's fucking embarrassing.

>>4703637
It's different because she is an ironic vtuber like Vsluts Hime, kinda funny how even they hate how unprofessional Gigguk's fiance is about vtubing

>>4704155
Yeah that threw me off. I've never heard anyone who knows him call him that before.

>>4703179
Fucking called it, day 1

>>4704248
I think what makes that more damning is it's one of the IDs who debuted after her so ofc she'd have to vaguely know who they are. Seriously though how tf did she not just throw out ONE JP name?

>>4703986
And I thought this just a rrat. Holy shit

>>4703179
Sorry that you feel that way but I didn't read a damn word. I hope you tards seek professional help.

>>4704294
To be fair....i used to call her "Rye-n". But she could call me trash for all i care. She is Reine-sama and i'll give her whatever she could ever want

https://streamable.com/t2985s

Here's the King Cover thing kek

>>4704586
Feel like you are the polar opposite of this person

>>4703986
The truth is so easy to see just by watching a few of her streams. Only people who can't see this are autists that can't comprehend a social situation by the tone of a person's voice.
Coco already called her out on it after just a few minutes of interaction. Tons of JP holos wanted to interact with her but she never replies. Even t deadrap begged her in chat to plz collab with JP holos but no dice. It's very obvious she does not want to do anything holo related and just do her own thing. She should own up to it and admit it instead of leading people on about how she is interested in doing shit she is not.

>>4704629
They all watched the debuts together with management. They're the only ones she knows.

>>4704682
Deadbrap brapping now

>>4704768
This can't be fucking real holy shit

>>4704768
LMAO

>>4704294
So how is it pronounced? Like the French way or what?

>>4704768
how can deadbeats defend this? just by deflecting and saying they hate takamori anyways so this is totally cool?

>>4704798
>and when she became Mori Calliope, I actually didn't noticed who she was until some time later
>have been following Calli since day 1

>>4704682
>If I ignore all criticism it doesn't exist! Mori is a queen!

>>4704992
Like Ray-nay

>>4704438
I'm FUCKING tired of it. Deadbraps, admit it, you and your oshi are that same ironic weebs this board claims to hate. Whatever lazy unprofessional shit she does, it's all based to you, well of course ironically based, because you're all so funny and others actually can't comprehend your sense of humor, they just don't allow you to have fun! Mori lied? Mori collabed with anitubers? Mori fucked up yet another collab? Mori doesn't know any of her senpais and doesn't respect them despite the fact that they literally paved the way for her? Your answer is always the same - "based, she's so based for not caring about these stupid rules lol, Holosimps suck lolol". Fucking be honest, snap out of your irony shtick. She's being unprofessional in literally everything she does.

>>4703179
holy fuck didn't realize there were so many big lies

>>4704768
Holy shit, how is she a real person.

>>4704992
the japanese way
re-i-ne (れいね)

>>4704768
>https://streamable.com/t2985s
holy fuck. kiara was smart about that too. Used to hate both, but maybe should only hate calli

>>4704768
Good lord.

>>4703986
Lmao Cuckbeats

why do deadbraps even defend her?

>>4703986
Deadbraps will defend this shit. Yaaas kweeen, fuck Hololive, amirite?

That’s honestly fucking pathetic

>>4704768
someone need to compile all of this evidences into 1 post so it's easily quotable.

>>4705163
booba will do that to mouthbreathers

>>4704810
But the worst thing is that today she will wake up and say "aw man that collab was good" she'll do a egosearch and find thousands of npcs cheering her for this shit and she'll feel proud

>>4703986
When I first saw this, I assumed it was her social anxiety that was motivating this. But even then, there are several "safe" answers that she easily could have said even to get through the situation quickly. Suisei, Fubuki, Watame... There's a number of senpais that she could have mentioned.
Through the lens of hindsight, (especially given that she flat out doesn't even bother to listen to any of Kiara's songs other than maybe Hinotori) I think she the answer was that she didn't want to collab with them or just didn't know their names.

The saddest part is that Kiara has such faith in her that she doesn't even notice that Calli doesn't give a shit about any of this. She sees Calli's incompetent carelessness as understandable mistakes.

>>4704798
This same Mf was seething and trying to do some damage control over all the Kiara x Vei clips in the comment section

Kek

>>4703179
How about you take your fucking meds?
Imagine being this obsessed with a vtuber you don't like. And imagine hating on a vtuber just because she made a couple of mistakes here and there.
Mori is cute and based. Keep seething

>>4705104
Holy shit, was Kiara based all along?

>>4705107
>don't like it? don't watch it
>6 months later: calliope mori is graduating due to low viewership

>>4705104
Fucking KEK

>>4704149
and she is neither

>>4704768

someone gimme the rundown

>>4704798
EOPs with no respect for vtubers are the worst fucking thing that has happened to this shit, I swear to god

>>4704768
>>4703986
I knew it. I so fucking knew it.
Deadbeats just wouldn't listen, but I knew it.
Don't like Kiara in the slightest, but she's leagues better than Mori

>>4703986
God, just say a random senpai you retard

>>4704768
Kek my fucking sides

>>4704438
Deadbraps are this pathetic huh, Mori could get fucked by Gigguk on stream and Dreadbraps would say “Fucking based Mori” slurping up his cum

>>4705047
You're reading too deep into it anon, I just don't watch the JP talents and don't care too. I dont give a fuck about you, her, or her "professionalism". She could fuck on stream and I'd still say its based as I bust the fattest nut you've ever seen. Go and fuck yourself.

>>4705308
there was neer a King cover

>>4705249
even better
>InternetAristocrat comes back from the dead, hates SJW's
>Just mercilessly tears into lefty mindset
>"Oh no Calli, you shouldn't collab with him anymore!"
>'5. She can collab with whoever she wants and doesn't need to give explanations'
>downvoted -4000

>>4705179
Kek, I somehow arrived on a train of thought that she would actually get along with Veibae.
>things you've said about Hololive were actually pretty based, you know?
>yeah like why people think they can choose who we collab with? I don't wanna stay in this bubble, you know
>yeah, haha, I don't actually care that much about this company, people just need to chill the f-word out

>>4705351
>>4705367
Kek

>>4705351
No, I just dont give a fuck about the JP holos. Thats pretty fucking based.

>>4703986
how is this even fucking possible?
no pekora, no korone, no miko? Nothing? How?

>>4705308
Literally just search takanashi kiara king cover on youtube

>>4705047
Thing is Ollie was lambasted 24/7 doing what Calli wanted to do.

>>4704768
what stream is this from?

>>4704189
Fanbase reflects the oshi, the list of deadbrap copexcuses for Mori's continued failures and poor attitude is as long as it is stale. It's always someone/something else, and she can do no wrong and they continue eating her shit up

And even when they seem to be admitting that Mori is at fault with something, they always use the most self-serving passive rationalizations, for example how great she is for just working sooooo hard that she doesn't have any energy over for entertaining streams, or how she's just that much of a poor widdle """autists""" that she just caaaaan't help herself being so shit, and in fact it's YOUR fault for ever expecting any better of her, leave her alone, she's basically handicapped, yeah no right, just fuck off with that shit.

>>4704768
>>4703986
I can't believe this bitch is making me think kiara is based

>>4704586
Ame time travels again

>>4705367
Let me guess you have your pronouns in your twitter bio and at least 1 blm shirt

>>4705243
Kiara is a SJW (because everyone else is), but otherwise she's actually pretty cool.

>>4705238
you must be 18 years or older to be on this site

ogey.

Mori did nothing wrong.

>>4704768
Holy shit, Mori seems to be getting worse in comparison to Kiara now

Sorry Kfp niggers

>>4703379
Yeah, people got it wrong.
The rest of the other talents are still good tho

t. Holochad

Yo I think I figured out who Calli really is.

>>4705515
it's kinda hilarious how the KFP redemption arc is /vt/ collectively realizing mori is so much worse

>>4704768
Kiara is my oshi now

>>4703179
>Yes Kiara I listened to your King cover it was great... Wait what do you mean it doesn't exist??
There's no fucking way...

>>4703986
deadbraps will ACTUALLY defend this woman

>>4704768

>>4704768
I think I like Kiara now.. I'm sorry guys

>>4704768
I dont even like Kiara that much but she did not deserve that. Mori is actually a cunt

>>4704682
you should take your own advice, since you are blindly loyal to someone

>>4705572
When is The Calli Scrolls: Moriwind coming out?

>>4705633
here you go, enjoy! >>4704768

>>4705322
Fucking this. Kiara annoys me so at some point I started actively disliking her while being ok with Mori, mostly because I didn't watch her. That turned out to be a mistake. Kiara, if you are reading this, despite your boner for Vshoujo and fucking annoying voice and lack of tact, I still kneel to your perseverance and genuine interest and love for Hololive and your viewers.
Hell, even if Kiara was ten times more annoying for me than she is now, I'd still have sympathy for her for having to deal with a coworker like Mori.

Honest question, if she graduates you think her music will get anywhere?

>>4705602
>Kiara crashes and burns
>Kiara latches onto Mori as a friend
>Mori begrudgingly tolerates her
>current Kiara redemption arc as Mori crashes and burns
>Mori will end up latching onto Kiara as a friend
Vtubing is a Greek Tragedy in the making. Value your friends.

>>4705495
I cracked open an ice cold Pepsi when I saw the video of that one car running over the protesters blocking the street. Suck my dick faggot, better luck next time.

>>4705654
kiara seems like much more of a cunt, putting mori in an awkward situation just for the lulz
it's cruel

>>4703808
I got the joke, anon.

>>4705104
Kiara craves attention but she's not an actual fucking sociopath like Mori.

>>4705749
oh fuck

>>4705713
Lol no, no one likes electro swing rap or gives a shit

>>4704768
I don't get it

>>4703963
She said on stream that she didn't listen to rap music until she heard J-Rap, I honestly believe her knowledge of western rap is limited only to what she feels is necessary to know for her career, but she obviously prefers Japanese music (like a good weeb) over western ones. I don't even think she knew who MF Doom was until he died.

>>4705602
There always needs to be a bigger villain/enemy for people to tolerate the one before. At least for me THIS is deserving. Deadbraps have been so smug thinking their Oshi and fanbase is much better than the others and now the climate's changed and they can't defend her.

>>4705713
depends on a few factors, like will she be able to talk about being the character post-graduation to gain some of her former audience. I still think a lot of her popularity rides on the brand, but I don't think she'd have no viewership either.

>>4705722
Ohhhhh so edgy lmao this bitch, grow a beard kid

>>4705724
it shouldn't be an awkward situation, how is she supposed to know mori doesn't know anything about her genmates

>>4705713
Maybe. Her career was going places, even if she was most just animating music videos for other, better artists.

Honestly Hololive was a weird fucking career move for her.

>>4705724
It seems like Kiara was intending to set up a joke.
>K:I covered King before, yeah!
>M:Wait, you did? When?
>K:In a past life!
Or something silly like that. When Mori agrees with her, Kiara sounds surprised.

>>4705820
You accused me of being a BLM supporter fucktard, don't move your goalposts now.

>>4704768
>>4703986
I was never interested in any of callis content, so I had no idea how bad of a holo member she actually is, holy shit.

>>4705788
She did a prank cover to bait people

>>4705788
Kiara's King cover was a rickroll. She was expecting Calli to joke around about it with her.

>>4705238
weak bait, here's a (You) for your troubles

>>4705724
Kiara was setting up a joke. Mori took her at face value and it got awkward.

>>4705724
How is asking to name TWO of your senpai an ankward situation? She could have just gone "Uhhhhh Ogayu and uhhhhhh Rushia" just naming them would have been enough

>>4705724
>Trying to make an obvious joke because you assume your "friend" gives two shits about you
>Get proven fucking wrong

It was cruel alright

>>4704768
what stream is this? Did she sing king in karaoke or something?

It's sad because Cali (or her image at least) is really popular among the JP holos. They see her as a cool oneesan but she couldn't give a fuck about them

>>4705724
Mori puts herself in the awkward situations by not doing her reps. Gura's advice for her applies beyond Mario Kart.

now that you put it all on paper this is hard to defend lmao

>>4705880
Well you sound like a cuck, so if you aren't a SJW you are a zoomer kid

>>4703179
I try to ignore her existence because I've never been anything close to an anti to any holo before and I don't want to start now, but she's not making it easy.

>>4705788
Kiara tweeted about making a King cover, the link was a rickroll.

>>4705724
>deadbeats pushing the blame onto kiara AGAIN
your oshi has been found out for the sloth bitch she is, no amount of deflection changes that

>>4706053
Korone liked her and talked about her till their collab, then she never mentioned her again

>>4704768
I feel bad for chicken honestly

>>4706053
the language barrier does wonders for her image

>>4706053
Even Coco thought she was competent and ended up accidentally murdering her on meme review.
Imagine the girls who don't speak English.
>"wow, cool rapper girl"

>>4705713
She's going to take a legion of fans with her even if she graduates, and will probably be able to make a fresh start just fine, after that it's up to her, but she'll forever have to live with a legion of haters (rightly) accusing of using hololive to prop up her career and dumping it when it was convenient.

>>4705859
Oh, it turns out it was even simpler than that. The fact that Mori hadn't even clicked the link, even just to give a pageview is really sad.

Was this before or after the friendship bracelet/Atelier thing?

>>4705724
I am Seafag tier hateful against Kiara, but this wasn't Kiara's fault

>>4705419
My sides, the absolute state of deadbraps.
Remember when that booba photo got posted and they all became doxxbeats lusting over Mori's roommate? Fucking cringe. Maybe it'll be a win-win situation for everyone if Mori graduates and becomes a twitch thot or something? Hololive gets rid of the unprofessional bitch, and deadbraps get booba streamer they want so much, the same music and all the anituber collabs they could dream of. No genmates to call her out on her shit and no senpais from some weebland to care about, just perfect.

>>4705724
>Trying to make a joke
>Calli lies and accidentally proves she doesn't give a shit about you
Not to mention that this was another collab where calli was barely saying shit and Kiara had to try really hard to get a conversation going.

This thread is giving me a boner. I love the realizations.

>>4703179
So is this the moriHATE general?

>>4703808
Wonder who is behind this post...

>>4706074
I will jack off to any hololive vtuber. O don't care what they do, I dont delude myself with the GFE.

>>4703179
https://streamable.com/sd78ak

>>4706032
https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1362375843029291011?s=20

>>4706053
Didn't Polka repeatedly rip on Mori for the grammar error in her song of RIP (失礼しますが RIP?) and targeted her in Among Us every time?

i always laugh at anons who have the autism and effort to make text walls about some shit that shouldnt be important in life
i know that there is those that do it ironically and those who are serious, both crack me up

that said, individual talents>brand loyalty
fuck tribalism, long live the individual

>>4703808
Yeah, and that Charlie guy too? Never heard of him.

>>4706142
Didn't Korone call in during Calli's birthday stream or am I insane?

>>4703986
A japanese clipper needs to translate this

>>4705720
>>Mori will end up latching onto Kiara as a friend
Will never happen, Mori is fundamentally a loner who has no need to interact with other people. And even if she did she feels no connection to women so if anything she'd vent to her real life rapper clique instead of Kiara.

>>4703179
>Yes Kiara I listened to your King cover it was great... Wait what do you mean it doesn't exist??
Did this really happen?

>liked Kiara before
>like Kiara even more now after seeing what she has to put up with from Mori
>Kiara wouldn't want us to dislike Mori because she would want everyone to get along
I'm conflicted now bros

>>4705724
>awkward situation
>not keeping up with your genmates

Even Ame and Gura randomly talk about their senpai/kouhai songs or random streams they watched, even from more obscure senpais, meanwhile Calli can't even keep up with her own gen.

>>4705713
Definitely, she is talented, but she just simply doesn't give a fuck.

>>4706427
Cuckbeat. Calli would be nowhere if it wasn't for the brand that her Senpai built up for her. The same senpai she shits on.
Calli would still be fucking working menial jobs in Japan until she overstayed her visa and finally got deported.

>>4706379
Holy shit, I love Mori now!

>>4706363
Porn obsessed zoomer, I'm sure that you "support" at least 20 onlyfans lmao

>>4706329
Orange woman okay, pink woman bad

>>4706398
>Gura retweeted the nuggies picture
i need Gura's energy in these dark times

>>4706473
Just do what Mori does, pretend to like hololive.

>>4705899
Trust me it's bad, at least in regards to collab.
Her Shadowverse duel with Kiara she literally, I shit you not, didn't talk for 2 hours. Just giving random autism grunts as Kiara desperately tried to keep a conversation going.

It honestly seems like she was salty as fuck about getting stomped by Kiara in the cardgame because as soon as Kiara let her win one she got more talkative.

>>4706436
She did and asked why didn't she call for a collab. I am being serious

>>4706451
the link is literally in this thread, anon

>>4706379
God I really liked Mori but its like she wants me to hate her she bites the hands that feeds again and again anda again and shes mean to Kiara who I didnt even like but Ive now realized that she is better than Mori, even if shes still the second worst of holoEN

>>4706427
Enjoy your shitty 3dpd content faggot. When hololive goes to shit we can point at fucks like you.

>>4706451
>>4704768

>>4706451
yes >>4704768

>>4706436
she did, and she said she was a bit sad that they haven't talked much or collaborated again since the last one. calli just gave a canned response and rushed to the next call.

>>4703986
Maybe Kiara wasn't that bad after all.

>>4706599
She went more and more quiet as she kept losing until she basically said nothing. And she finally started talking again when Kiara threw on purpose by using a deck she hadn't practiced with.
She's literally that retarded and petty.

>>4705713
If she whores herself to a good productor, yeah, why not

>>4703986
My oshi fucking loves her and this what she gets in return.....

>>4706566
Nah I get my porn for free. Imagine paying for shit thats on the internet. Piracy is the way to go.

>>4706427
Individualism doesn't mean not giving a shit about people in the group that you're supposedly a part of and owe most of your fame to. That's just being an egotistical prick.

>>4704768
Do people not realize she's joking or do all of you just have autism?

>>4706427
People could make a list of deadbrap excuses at this point.
>based, I don't care about the rest of Hololive too
>not caring about Kiara? based, I hate Kiara too
>she's autistic, she can't help it
>it's just one stream/clip/collab, watch her more often and you'll know she's actually good
>Mori works on her music so hard she doesn't have energy left for streams
>she's just new to this, she'll surely get to know and like her senpais
>she actually cares about everyone deeply, she's just shy
>you're just jealous because she collabs with males
>didn't read, anyway Mori is cute
>dude it's not important in your life just touch some grass duuuude lmaooo
What did I miss?

>>4706599
You can hear it in her tone too. The exact same tone as her responding to Kiara's "i covered king song". Sad!

>>4706427
you literally won't know who mori is without hololive

>>4706684
GOD MORI HAAAATE I'M FUCKING HATING AND SEETHING

>>4703179
Can I get a qrd on the meltdown over mori today

>>4706708
this isn't even bait, this is just denial of reality

>>4704768
you gotta admit, that was a pretty Chad move
Mori really doesn't give a damn. Holy based

>>4706496
>>4704768
>>4706496
The dad meme feels apt. She gives off that, "That's nice, son." while reading a newspaper vibe.

>>4706760
Have a quick run down off a cliff, fag.

>>4703838
Other people produce her music too lel. She just writes lyrics

>>4706708
ogey

>>4706760
She was a lot more prepared,excited and comfortable with collabing with Gigguk than anyone in Holopro (exception being TTRP stream).

Okay anons, theoretical. You can banish Mori to Vshojo where she can't collab with any Hololive for a year, BUT you have to swap her with a current Vshojo to be in her spot for that same year

Choose wisely

>>4706716
Hell yeah my excuse is at the top of the list

Mori is shit.
I hope people will stop supporting her.
Also rap is a shit tier nigger music.

>>4706760
haters gonna hate
there is no reason behind it, /vt/ards are mentally unhinged as always

>>4706760
Ruined collab after collab after collab while promising every time that she'll actually put in the 10 minutes required to prepare the stream next time/Actually talk next time. Then she collabs with a cancer e-celeb and she suddenly enthusiastic and prepared. People justifiable questioned if she actually gives a shit about her job at hololive and her colleagues.

>>4703179
you notice that mori is the only HoloEN that dosen't have the tag of his stuff (art,livies,etc) in his twitter. WTF ?!? WHY!

>>4703986
That was cringe holy shit... She sounds lost and miserable.
Guess it's true that working will always be being paid for doing stuff you hate doing.

>>4706708
If she was joking, she probably would have made a joke like "the setup was really good" or "everyone should watch it for themselves to see" or something that keeps the joke going.

>>4706834
ironmouse, not hard

>>4706834
mousey so we get big sad when she dies + holo blowns up again because sadness

>>4706681
Her biggest flaw was she had that european level of abrasiveness with people, and she was all about numbers
Now that she's much more in tune with introductions (she won back Reine after nearly botching the whole thing with their first collab) and she hit 1M, her redemption arc can begin

>>4706834
Is this really a question? You even gave leeway for us to choose which member

Absolutely fucking yes! Let us have Mousey

>>4706834
Easy, Ironmouse or Melody, the rest are shit.

>>4706834
mousey

>>4706794

>>4706834
Hime, to cause the most chaos possible.

>>4706760
>collabs with Gigguk (e-celeb manlet)
>kept it a secret until 5 minutes before stream start because she knew it would be controversial
>very enthusiastic and energetic all throughout the collab, a MASSIVE contrast to the autistic non-responsive piece of shit she usually is in collabs
>everyone basically goes "why isn't she like this when collabing with her genmates?"
>even deadbeats are pissed, tons of long-time members calling her out in the comment section
>"Mori doesn't care about hololive" timeloop is back at full force, perhaps even more force than ever before
>like a snowball effect, everyone is now remembering all the other shitty things she's done (ie. this thread) and realizing just how fucking terrible she is

>>4706589
I NEED GURA'S SOUL

>>4703179
didn't read, please treat your autism

>>4706875
what, dude?
do you mean art tags and shit?they are right there
and yeah mori ys 'ya boy' but i dont think we should just go 'his' just yet

>>4706794
She didn't even write most of the japanese lyrics on "her" last ep

>>4706834
I once heard Vel say "the only thing bald is my pussy" and I can't stop thinking about it. So her.

>>4705713
Depends on how clean or messy the breakup will be, but yes a portion of her dedicated paypigs at least large enough that she doesn't have to go back to her miserable pre-Holo minwage existence will go with her.

As for her actual MUSIC being popular on its own, without the power of the Hololive brand behind her, fuck no, her white woman j-wigger electroswing is basically a niche within a niche within a niche, so without the novelty factor of "whuut, an anime girl RAPPING?" that made her Calliope Mori stuff exciting for normies in the first place, she will never see sales of that magnitude again... but that's okay, because she probably figured out from her experience in hololive that she can just also do some more wine-drinking streams for her members on youtube where she just doots into a recorder and exbraps will shower her with akas to supplement her income.

>>4705367
Just gonna come out and say you’re a faggot huh kek deadbraps are officially are the worst of the 5

>>4706875
Just noticed Mori had her new EP on her twitter handle for two months.
Is she going to surpass Kiara's Heart Challenger on her twitter?

>>4706681
Yeah, I thought Takamori didn't work because Kiara was too annoying and pushy, but is seems that Kiara was never a problem. Mori wouldn't care about any of her genmates or senpai.

>>4707010

Gura's live chumkek, henry stickman let's go

>>4706916
She keeps saying about how her passion used to be art. But she got bored of it after getting an art job.
I think she just gets bored of shit once she has to force herself to do it.
She'd get bored of her music carreer to if she couldn't do it basically whenever she feels like it.

>>4706398
jesus mori, pls be nicer to kiara

>>4706706
individualism means the individual over any group, anon.
holo live is just a business with the intent of profiting

>>4706941
Honestly, I can forgive most of Kiara's flaws simply because she actually loves hololive and tries to contribute. Calli felt like she was using hololive for her own benefit from day 1.

>>4706744
>when the rrats are real
rratbros... Im scared

>>4705367
>Go and fuck yourself
Hey you’d bust a nut to that shit too. The absolute state of deadbraps is just plain retarded

>Gura remembered a sub's birthday and made his life for 20 seconds
Things Mori will never do:

>>4706941
As a German I don't think it's really about her nationality at all. She's just really rude in general. I do think she's a good person and just doesn't realize this because I was the same when I was young and I don't look back at it fondly. I wish someone would explain it to her once.

Another thing is that she rarely if ever uses a "this is a joke" voice whens he jokes. So you often literally can't tell whether she's being serious, or joking, or hiding seriousness in a joke... Even Ollie said Kiara scares her because she can't tell when she's joking.

>>4705420
shhh. you need to go back. mori literally shit herself after taking nigger cock on stream and you brapbeats ate it up.

>>4703179
She should have become EN first Vsinger.

>>4704994
It's completely reasonable to take that as Mori knowing the context of the cover and being in on the joke with Kiara

>>4707021
>>4705034

>>4707062
holy shit that's hot

>>4707165
Mori is just a business with the intent of profiting

>>4706834
the aids girl, easily

Remember Gigguk shitted on Hololive in one of their later podcast episodes and shilled vshoujo saying he likes their content more, of course having his fiancee in vshoujo had nothing to do with his change of mind.

>>4706439
>Mori is fundamentally a loner who has no need to interact with other people.

Sure but that doesn't completely square with how happy and eager she seems to hop on eceleb dick now that they finally give her the time of day due to her Hololive buff.

The RL clique rrat gets more and more believable with each incident.

>>4707086
Nah bro I'm not a deadbrap. I just don't give a fuck about JP, I dont understand their shit language and never plan to. I dont give a fuck about your shitty idol culture either. I just like watching anime girls fumble around. But dont worry, I'd still crank it to any holo fucking on stream, my dick knows no discrimination.

>>4706981
>long-time members calling her out in the comment section
Do you mean directly in collab comment section? I saw the number of dislikes, it's pretty big, but all the comments seem to be the usual NPCs happily eating it up.

>>4705323
She doesn't know ANY

>>4707227
That actually requires knowing how to sing though.

So does mori actually do anything in her "production" streams other than literally hit pots and pans in audition?

>>4706941
She's been on that redemption arc for a bit actually. She's not a natural at this, but you can see how passionate she is at bettering herself.
>>4707187

Compare:
>Kiara started out with a weak streaming game, but knew that she and her own actions were the problem. She constantly sought out and listened to criticism even though you could tell it was painful.
>Mori started out with a weak streaming game, and whenever anything goes wrong, there's always some reason it's not her fault, there's always this lack of any hard work or preparation. She never actually seems to incorporate criticism into her long term growth.

>>4707350

>>4707221
I'm gonna need a link to that for definitely moral reasons

>>4706834
Mouse, Melody or Silver would be nice, but no way Silver is keeping her BRATZ model and Melody is yabe so Mouse is probably the only one with a slight chance.

Deadbraps, cumchuds, kfp, teamates and takoautists are all the same.

Holo EN was a mistake.

>>4707284
i mean..it's logical, no?he would do that since his wife is there and i dont see how anybody else wouldn't
he isn't the main topic on this thread tho

>>4705724
you are retarded

>>4707165
Is the concept that working as a group can be beneficial for the individual members of the group so alien to you? Do you understand why politics exist?

>>4707242
my criticism to you is have sex

>>4704768
>>4703986
>>4703179
This is actually sad man.
I like Mori man.
Maybe less now, but I still like her.

Calli is right in start getting along with non vtubers, dad is too good for holofags

I know everyone is upset after seeing the big difference from her last collab is to a majority of the collabs where she didn't really interact that much or was downright bad at. She was bad in trying to explain her intentions to collab with other non-holos by using phrases like bubble and stuff. But you all must admit that she did prepare this time and is able to talk fine after all the criticisms that she got. If she can't transfer that energy unto her next collabs or with another holo then I guess it's time to drop her. If she doesn't keep up with her uplift the "indie" statement then she was just being a hypocrite. Let's just wait. I don't think anyone will let it pass if she continues to be bad being in Hololive. Pure Individualism doesn't work well in Hololive because their brand is all about unity and being part of a greater group. That's why they have gens. That's why you see the girls giving way for special events. It's talented people trying their best to work well in a community by showing their uniqueness. They are a close knit. Even the most autistic member tries really hard to bond with atleast 2-3 other girls. Let's just wait and see if Mori actually does show improvement on her next collabs.

>>4704768
jesas

>>4707328
She's probably friends with the TT group.
Hajime mentioned they like to go drinking together.

>>4707284
Not like the bitch streams much tho. Fucking Ayame streams more than her.

>>4707482
I agree, she should fuck off

>>4707394
Thanks for spoonfeeding, just... wow. I honestly didn't expect this many comments and likes about it.
inb4 Mori initiates The Final Yab solely by being an unprofessional bitch

>>4707426
>Silver
Silver sells nudes of her model doing dances on onlyfans or whatever. Her and Melody would be hard passes because of that (unless they take on new personas I guess)

>>4703986
Holy shit i'd understand if this was during their first month as Hololive where she doesn't know anyone, but this was in February lmao

>>4707148
like those atheletes that get fat 2 years after a pro contract

>>4707235
I'm kinda sad for all deadbeats who got their hopes crushed like that over and over. This was literally the killing blow.

>>4704768

>>4707543
I like how there was a short period where mori was actually decent and put a bit of life into her work, and then suddenly everything started to hit the fan and she completely regressed to the old ways

Boy, /vt/ surely is mad today, not even Ollie had this many schizo rant threads

>>4707270
https://youtu.be/9AkBIxNSu18?t=8178

>>4705806
That part is definitely not true, she mentioned him as one of her favorite western rappers back in her first Q+A

>>4707394
God, imagine the buyer's remorse

>>4706605
>>4706673
timestamp?

>>4707497
>Unity
A thing most of western women can't do.

>>4707336
This is the kind of guy that seethes when someone talks about sex in this board and calls them liars/normies

>>4707497
Thing is, we aren't in the honeymoon period just after debuts anymore, where issues like this could be handwaved away by saying "she's just inexperienced, she will learn and get better, just you wait and see!"
This shit has gone on long enough, it has been almost a year, and people have caught up to her string of broken promises, false dawns and regressions to the mean, that everyone but the most deluded deadbraps started noticing the pattern and finally gotten tired of her shit.

Sure, she couuuld somehow still put together a string of amazing collabs (with her genmates, and in regular "normal" streams and not just the pet projects she only gives a shit about, which is exactly the issue people have with her) and prove her critics wrong, but be honest and look at the pattern, it'd be much more probable to bet against it.

>>4707696
Bro I actually bought the full Red geekjack promotion. Gonna sell it for profit to delusional die hard deadbeats now...

>>4703179
>>Yes Kiara I listened to your King cover it was great... Wait what do you mean it doesn't exist??
Give me a rundown/timestamp

>>4707666
Based Satan trips.
Imagine their anger when the
>she'll graduate any day
Rrats keep dying. Now they're just throwing a prolonged tantrum. I expect to see doxx start getting thrown around or obscene shitposting and then they get themselves b&. All while she sleeps peacefully with a smile on her face. :}

>>4707394
good evidence

>>4707837
read the thread, queer.

>>4707837
how about you use ctrl+f you lazy cunt

>>4704768
Mori you fucker

>>4703179
She does justice to her roommate's name.

>>4707685
oh no no no... i have to watch veibae now...

havent been keeping up with this but from what ive seen with the whole gigguk shit
it kinda seems like the success from hololive went to her head
she's trying to reach out and move past hololive
but where does she think she'll go after hololive when thats where all her success came from
she cant take her holopersona with her after leaving?

>>4705107
why plebbit keep defending everything Mori does?

>>4707750
Anon if I ever call someone a normie unironically I want you to come and kill me yourself.

>>4708011
>she cant take her holopersona with her after leaving?
of course she can't, any and all characters under the hololive brand (with probably the exception of Suisei) are Hololive's own intellectual property

>>4706708
Saying "I didn't know you could sing in such a low pitch" would have been a joke. Even staggering and saying "hold on, I can't come up with a good joke" would have been fine.

>>4706427
She’s a fucking nobody with Holo, deadbrap. Learn your fucking place, the absolute state of you guys is pathetic

>>4703986
she sounds like she wants to kill herself

>>4707770
I know. The issue is apparent. The only way she can improve is to show change. You don't have to believe in her. Be skeptical but acknowledge when improvement does show up. We will have to wait and see if it happens. She has a collab with Ollie and Coco so we will see. If a month or two goes by and no actual indie shows up on her sched besides her friends like milky then yeah. She was lying. It only means she just wants to uplift her friends

>>4706681
Kiara's faults have been overblown from day 1. She's emotionally raw and has the typical Kraut abrasiveness, which a lot of people misinterpret. The only thing that really annoys me is her obsessiveness with her cat.

westerners just don't get idol culture

>>4706639
Is this board filled with actual middle school niggers?

>>4707542
Go back to your reddit meme review and I'm horny / hi honey memes

>>4707666
>valid criticism with evidence of all of her lies
ahah schizo rants !
go fuck yourself

>>4708089
Just dissed a whole lot of people anon.

>>4706681
I genuinely think the chicken is fucking annoying and can’t stand listening to her speak but after all this shit with Mori and how I learned she doesn’t give a fuck about Holo, her senpai, or even vtubing I realize that while the chicken is too much of a try hard at least there’s fucking effort. Mori is so fucking apathetic, she should just graduate at this point

>>4707722
idk how serious korone was since i will never be japanese. she did say some of it in english

https://youtu.be/NiziRRHFZGA?t=5429

clipper translation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibc2J8V2V9M

>>4708185
Ogey schizo

>>4708142
Maybe, maybe not. Find out

>>4708031
>plebbit
You answered your own question.

>>4703986
All the people saying this was just a stepping stone for her were right. She'll be gone once the money stops flowing.

>>4708011
>it kinda seems like the success from hololive went to her head
I don't think its even that. I think it just boils down to Mori feeling like she needs to rebel for the sake of being rebellious.
>Hey Mori, its hololive, there's really not a lot of interaction with 3d males, it's popular because its a bubble not in spite of it
>'Whatever! I Do What I Want!'

>>4707472
I'm in the same boat. I like most of Mori's music and tune into her solo streams every so often, but the clips in this thread are absolutely damning.

>>4708081
Cover probably bought the character from her.

>>4708299
what's wrong with 3d males?

For good or for bad, this "bubble" aspect of Hololive she talks about has always been a fundamental trait of the the brand. It's one of its main appeals and it's what most of the fanbase expects. So long as Mori refuses to act the part, she'll always have haters and have to deal with criticism, no matter how successful she is.

>>4708225
And THIS is her subcount without Hololive. She's getting carried as fuck by the brand without giving anything back,

>>4708245
>how I learned
Where in the fuck have you been? "Mori doesn't care about Hololive" has been the word since the first TT stream. It went away a bit during Jan/Feb because she put in extra effort after quitting her other job, but then she went right back to half-assing her hololive content and focusing on her personal goals.

How can we save J-Chad?

>>4708365
Twitch is over there kiddo.

>>4708011
>>4708299
It doesn't help that she's chummy IRL with TT and Vshoujo/Indies. They probably put these shitty ideas in her head and she runs with them.

>>4708299
The TT guys are egging her on too

Mori is going to stream in a few hour dudes, make sure to go there and tell her what you think about her lack of professionality

>>4706708
The “all of it” part sounds like she’s joking too

>>4708387
J-chad okay'd this. She's part of the problem and needs to walk.

>>4703179
Anybody wanna compose a Moridown on the list of things she's done so far?

>>4706834
Isn't the green dragon girl supposed to be the most tolerable one? If so, that one.

>>4706834
Nyanners, for maximum seethe and asshurt on the board
I would've chosen troon shark if I could

>>4708550
I'd rather wait for the next collab. If she flops that one, she'll have absolutely no excuse, even from the die hards

>>4708527
You could tell early on she actually is just a doormat, in that she thought it was "great" that mori sang that stupid cuck song from cr1tikal, back in whatever it was, October or November. Or rather she does not recognize or comprehend the usual shitty drama-filled Western eceleb sphere for what it is, is the more likely explanation.

It's not so much Holo is a bubble, but the Japanese in specific are as a whole culturally.

>>4703986

Wow what a miserable cunt, and people give Kiara so much hate

All is forgiven orange bird

>>4703986
Poor chikin

>>4708031
The same reason why reddit niggers come here.
Too bad they still act like reddit niggers and get mad when you call them reddit niggers.

the amount of cope from deadbraps holy shit

It's up. Mori lookin pretty fly
https://youtu.be/EeULfsnBYNU

>>4708582
You mean Froot? She got tagged forever as a cheating whore, it's a non start sadly. Even if she seems nice and model is definitely cute, she was born with antis.

>>4703537
this

>>4708582
Apparently cheated on her husband so she's already got a yab
I'm not into vshojo but apparently the only good one is mouse, the terminally ill one

>>4708283
that's a very dumb kid response
well done anon

>>4708245
Honestly, I'd take an overenthusiastic person over an apathetic piece of cardboard any day. If you can't be arsed to give a shit, why should I care about you?

>>4708910
Thank you, I tried extra hard for you, anon-sama <3

>>4708373
Ahh I see, you meant to say with instead of without in the comment I originally responded to. That makes more sense. But regardless, is that so surprising? She would be a fool to not take advantage of the brand. And she does make some good money for Cover. She just doesn't give anything to you.

>>4703537
Takamori is shit. I want Kiara to collab with people who actually care about her.
Literally any of her genmates, Reine, Subaru, all of them work great with her.

>>4703537
It was clear from debut. She never had any interest in forming any kind of relationship with her genmates, much less the rest of hololive.

>>4708642
Next collab is TTRPG with Kiara she'll most likely be energized there

>>4703179
If she wants to focus on her music so much, why not just ask to be transferred to INNK? I'm sure that, as compared to the Suisei situation before, they're more than capable of taking her in

>>4703986
Yeah as much as I don't like Kiara (and I don't), she at least gives a shit about it. This is pretty fucked. You'd think if you found out you were hired and you'd be in this new thing you'd at least spend some time to learn about it.

>>4708373
Ahh I see, you meant to say without instead of with in the comment I originally responded to. That makes more sense. But regardless, is that so surprising? She would be a fool to not take advantage of the brand. And she does make some good money for Cover. She just doesn't give anything to you.

And just like that, Off With Their Heads is ruined. She literally is "Miss Company Hire". If I were a whotuber I'd be mad too. She's a fucking fraud and Japan needs to know it.

>>4708963
Hanging with the other Usaken members more and learning some tricks and gizmos in MC (which is one of the few ways to actually impress Pekora) would be good for her, I think.

>>4708642
>>4709002
She has an Ame collab coming up this week too. Plenty of chances to see if she's as much of a shitter as these last few days make her seem.

>>4703537
>>4708963
Kiara's fine with Ina. Take the Takotori pill.

>>4706595
I can't. I genuinely like Hololive

>>4709076
Taking from the brand is not the problem, the problem is not giving back. The power of the Hololive brand comes in large part from it being so tightly knit with several bonds forming between the members, pairings and groups the fans grow to love, group projects and so on. If she uses to brand solely to promote herself she's nothing more than a leech. She might be a net positive financially speaking, but she's still a negative for the value of the brand.

>>4709239
TakoTori is great

>>4708649
I feel like Mori is the sort of person who needs things explained to her very explicitly and directly. This goes against the usual Japanese culture of explaining things indirectly and hoping you'll figure it out for yourself.

Jchad needs to sit down with Mori and tell her:
>A lot of your audience are lonely single men who want to imagine you as their girlfriend. When you hang out with other men on stream, it feels like you're cheating on them.
>Hololive is like a slice-of-life anime, where all the cute girls get along together very well. You can't just do your own thing and ignore everyone else. You have to pretend to love everyone, especially sempai.
>It's ok to have a second job, but this has to be your main focus. You're one of the biggest streamers in the company now, and a lot of people are going to notice if you're slacking off on this to focus on other stuff.

>>4708031
She could be fucking and moaning on stream and say it's just her dog licking her feet. They would believe

>>4709246
Think that anon meant "pretend to like Mori like how Mori pretends to like Hololive."

>>4709119
Same for me but the part of "tough love" on the song.
Comments on the youtube vod and reddit were tough love, not even hating on her like "just stop making videos/kill yourself" level of comments.

Well, I hope she improves. I still like her man.

>>4709309
O-oh.
Excuse my autism.

>>4709239
>>4709279
Takotori has always been better than Takamori. It's always so cute when they laugh over puns together. Out of any pair of HoloEN, I feel like they make each other laugh the most

>>4709072
>You'd think if you found out you were hired and you'd be in this new thing you'd at least spend some time to learn about it.
I cut her some slack in the past because she had preexisting obligations that were keeping her busy. But now that's done with them, it's no longer an excuse.

>>4708963
Kiara even mentioned that outside of collabs, she doesn't really talk to Mori much.
I think them being in Japan together were the main thing holding them together.

>>4709516
Can't really be helped, they are just fundamentally different people and "opposites attract" has never been true.
Just wish Kiara could let go.

>>4709279
>>4709399
They actually have a bigger and real tsundere energy due to their actual contrast in personalities, the GIGA STACEY and the eternal hikki. Their bantz is real, unlike the fake one sided Takamori shit.

>>4709299
She understands the first and last points as she's done things like ASMR and what turned out to be impromptu dating streams etc.

She also constantly expresses guilt over never having enough time to work on stuff and hence always tries to give the impression she'll get her shit together. I'd suspect not just Holo is like this for her but her other gigs as well, she takes on too many things to juggle at once and that seems to be a years-long chronic bad habit of hers. It's easily why she doesn't know shit about Holo, she never has time to watch streams and learn.

The middle part about understanding -why- Holo rose as a group and the closeness of the bonds etc making it far more than just a loose association? That part she absolutely fucking doesn't get, or seems to want to get. I wouldn't say the usual "she doesn't care about Hololive" bit but it's more like "she wants to care because she doesn't want to be a fraud, but, doesn't have the time/will/interest to actually do so."

>>4709299
>sort of person who needs things explained to her very explicitly and directly
Just say 80IQ subhuman retard

>>4709577
Yeah Ina is the only one who banters back at Kiara

>>4709299
I do believe Mori genuinely doesn't understand what hololive is all about and is therefore still redeemable, but it's really up to her whether she wants to embrace hololive or just live off of it from now on. If she doesn't want to learn, she'll keep doing shit that doesn't sit well with people and the backlash will be worse every time.

>>4709580
>she wants to care because she doesn't want to be a fraud, but
We haven't seen any evidence she wants to care, and we have ample evidence she doesn't. At this point its just wishful thinking that she secretly does.

>>4709867
It will get worse if Gen 2 ends up having people that care about Hololive and she ends up in her own world.

>>4708257
did she ever collab with korone after this?

>>4709996
No

>>4707394
Saw some screenshots of a deadbeats discord in another forum. They're saying these comments just came from chumbuds mad about the collab and they're not real deadbeats lol

>>4709399
>Out of any pair of HoloEN, I feel like they make each other laugh the most
This part in particular, watch ANY of the full 5 EN collabs, and I do mean ANY of them, even the bad ones, and pay attention to who's jokes Kiara and Ina laugh the most at. It's always each other.

>>4703986
>>4704768
Kek

>>4710100
Ame and Gura are on the same wavelength
Kiara and Ina are on the same wavelength

>>4709977
Then again aren't there JP's in their own world too, like Choco and Mel?

>>4710077
Some fags from reddit blamed it on chumbuds too, which is kind of funny since I thought it was suppose to be a hugbox over there.

>>4709580
Maybe she semi-gets it, but then she forgets whenever its inconvenient for her. That's why she needs a manager/handler who can constantly remind her and reign her in.

I mean, she just had a week off. She could have used that to watch VODs, read wikis, and catch up on Hololive lore. But nah. probably just working on her "main" job.

Hey guys I'm from the future.

>It's time for EN1 to get 3D models and Calli sets up a HoloEN house for all of the girls. They all get to Japan only for Calli to reveal that she forgot to sign the lease.

>>4706427
Since when did individualism mean disrespecting your senpai and one of your supposed closest friends, you fucking retard?

>>4708373
That's actually boosted. She originally had around 50-60k before debuting and people finding out her identity.

>>4710077
Just sounds like a standard defender. "You're not a real fan if you criticize what you say you're a fan of!" despite those people having loyalty badges.

>>4710262
I was under the impression that Holo was her main job since after December?

>>4709867
Either she learns or doesn't. If people just don't like who she is then that's just how it crumbles. Not that she really expected people to like her in the first place. If the person she wants to be isn't what the fans want, then there isn't much to be done about it besides moving on.

>>4710190
Choco and Mel care about a lot of their colleagues.
You're thinking of Ayame. The one single holo who consistently streams over other holos big events. She's jap calli.

>>4710190
JP Gen 1 and 2 didn't initially have the same unity later gens have, mostly because of shit management. Gen 1 just recently has started making a bigger effort into unifying more and it seems to be working. Gen 2 would be next but it currently has 2 members having mental breakdowns.

>>4710341
In theory yes, but she's still putting a ton of time and effort into her roommate's music.

>>4710287
>and she will play off any responsibility for another totally avoidable and self-inflicted fuckup again by deflecting to "haha, oh my, cursed EN scuff again, who could have foreseen this? nothing we can do, teehee teehee..."

>>4710190
They don't stream that much, but they're far from being in their own world.

>>4706834
Froot

>>4710077
Individual chuuba discords are just curated hugboxes, what do you expect.

We're not edgy or dangerous just for speaking our fucking minds. They say we are but all we're doing is breaking their conditioning and that scares them.

It was obvious from day 1 of HoloEN in specific, that plenty of people like some parts of it and specific Holos but that doesn't mean everyone unambiguously loves everything / every Holo like the saccharine, fake-positive environment on yt/reddit/twitter. People in denial try to shout down that fact but it's clear as day on days like today that these holos absolutely do not see, operate or think eye-to-eye on everything.

It's a HoloEN thing in specific just because of the diverse makeup of the group; these people are from rather different walks of life so will naturally attract different audiences. Only Ame/Gura are kind of similar and unsurprisingly people tend to like both of those if they like either (not to mention they like each other a lot). Trinityposting was a thing almost immediately, etc.

For comparison with NijiEN they are rather very similar people - they weren't particularly talented/derived, no huge impressive portfolios but they do like streaming. There really isn't much animosity at all in their threads - nothing at all, at all like how HoloEN became tribal almost from the start. Like-minded audiences aren't inclined to go as tribal and with a small unit there is less opportunity for one to start to stick out as really-different from the others like Mori did.

>>4710287
>They all get to Japan only for Calli to reveal that she forgot to sign the lease
Something like this already happened on the TakaMori trip lol. They got to Hokkaido and then found out Calli had messed up something with their hotel rental.

>>4710661
>Gen 2 would be next but it currently has 2 members having mental breakdowns.
Eh????
>>4710732
Ahhh, kay. I think Choco was recently in the Luna Subaru collab, so she seems nice to show up and get in. I guess it's just a scheduling thing and not having games that overlap?

I wonder how Calli would do if asked to name every Holo.

>>4710641
But unlike Mori, Ayame is at least an active positive participant in the few collabs she does have, and not a drag of negative fun.

>>4705713

white-girl Electro-swing rap... are you serious?

>>4710861
That'd make for a good game Coco could play with her.

>>4710861
>She would just default to the Pokerap

>>4705713
Lol no. She's nothing without the hololive brand and avatar. Her music sales will take a massive hit and she won't experience any kind of growth because she's no attractive enough for a music career in Japan.

>>4710861
As much as I'd love to see that, management for sure would shoot that down.
Imagine if she could only name 5 or so JP senpais?

>>4710861
Knowing how much the others fawn over her, I think it'd be more heartbreaking than anything else.

>>4709247
Nice job larping as her manager, I'm pretty sure it's up to Cover as to whether or not they think she's of value to them and that can be expressed in renewing her contract for next year.

>>4710793
God, can't even make up bad shit about her.

>>4710846
All of Gen 2 is having a breakdown. Subaru is the only one streaming normally. All the other ones are either on hiatus or they stream once every 15 days

>>4711208
That's normal for Ayame though. In fact it's been a while since she's been so active and enthusiastic about hololive.

>>4711133
And she would pronounce every one of their names wrong.

>>4710846
NTA but do you love under a rock, Shion has depression and Aqua broke down because of her Apex solo stunt eating at her

>>4711208
>Subaru is the only one streaming normally
That's fine then, Subaru is by far the best Gen2. Honestly there's too many hololive members right now. Might help to cut some of the dead weight.

>>4707394

>>4711133
5? she could not name a single one when Kiara talked about the JP branch