/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

The wheels are in motion.

>>4685922
I can't wait for Gura to do a watchalong for the next US election!

>>4685985
Iam just excited about hololive en gen 2 also did you hear about hololive en gen 2 will only have just 3 people in it i dont know why but they said it

>>4685922
Brainwashed and lack of critical thinking skills is the hallmark of genZ. So yeah, this>>4685985

When's Gura streaming with Counter Currents?

>>4685922
Anons hitting the nail in the head.
It won't be too long.
Atleast we can find peace in knowing JP chubbas will always hate niggers

>>4685922
Meds.

Really Meds. Like holy shit get yourself together.

>>4685922
>the normie EN audience isn't as aversive as the JP audience to politics
It's funny that you guys believe this. It's actually the opposite. JP Nijis have talked politics in the past. Not shown in the image is Gwelu and Roa talking Abe's government policies which they've done on stream. It's English speakers who've gotten this idea in their heads that vtubing is this politics free wonderland. There's also this video by a popular vtuber making fun of China and the whole Taiwan situation.
https://youtu.be/6Nwt-t_Z1MA

>>4686391
>indie niggers

>>4685922
what kind of socialist will gura be?

>>4686445
Kerin is under Upd8, but nice try.

>>4686391
>Nijis
God no wonder /vt/ doesn't discuss them.

Reminder not to respond to obvious bait threads

>>4686391
Gwelu is known in Nijisanji as the "guy who walk on fire" for often saying stuff that caused backlash on twitter. He does not represent the norm by any means. He had a politics stream with Tamaki and even there he dodged the question about Taiwan.

>>4686475
Big Oswald Mosley fan.

>>4685922
kys

>>4686554
Regardless if you feel he's a special case or not, he shows that JP Vtubers can and do discuss politics - and he hasn't pozzed the entire industry yet, which people seem to believe will happen if an EN talent discusses them. By all counts it's the EN audience that is much more opposed to politics in their entertainment.

Politics is for adults who want to discuss the real world. Turning away from escapist anime girl nonsense to matters of moral and pragmatic significance would be an improvement in the quality of the content. Only weebs who want to live in their idealized atavistic waifu bubble hate politics.

>>4685922
>normie

>>4686853
When we say "politics" we mean bad politics. ideological crap that is being shoved down your throat in the guise of entertainment. Very different from discussing the things that matter irl. (Like Gwelu talking about what we should choose between economy and health when it comes to lockdowns)

>>4686853
>I want to hear adults discuss the real world, but I want it to be in the form of a video game/anime stream on Youtube
Why? It's like wanting a cake with floor polish. There's no reason those things should go together.

>>4687145
Ever heard of gekiga?

>>4687237
No.

>>4686853
Bait

>>4687086
Sounds like you're starting to be critical of a cultural hegemony. Time to join the rest of the marxbros.

>>4686391
But it's not normal, is it? Regardless, let's try to not be obtuse about what people mean when we say "political." We're obviously talking about the cancer that is American politics, or Western politics. And as it stands, a nuclear bomb can take out 100 million Chinaman tomorrow and Gura will still take you to another world in her stream. Yes, vtubing is a politics-free wonderland.

>>4687589
Looks like you're starting to realize how bad a global hegemonic power is. Welcome to the bread side.

>>4687589
Well, it's not abnormal. Everyone in that post has hundreds of thousands of subscribers. Does discussion of LGBT not count as "western politics"? Because that is discussed. You just mean Hololive, which is kept squeaky clean thanks to their idol image.

>>4685922
Can we not have one fucking thing that doesn't revolve around fucking politics

>>4685922
>normie EN audience isn't as aversive as the JP audience to politics
false
>/vt/ opinion is a minority in the grand scheme of things after all
true

>>4687851
I think there's a distinction between actually being gay, and making a thing of it. If you're going to start campaigning for more gay Preachers in Mormon churches or something, then you're being political.

>>4686134
Where?

capitalising how exactly? I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say

>>4687851
>Does discussion of LGBT not count as "western politics"?
Depends on the context. Is just the existence of a gay couple in a movie immediately political? No.
And no, I don't just mean Hololive. Unless you want to credit Hololive for creating this pressure for everyone in the space to be apolitical at least for the time being, then sure, I mean Hololive. Well, at least the EN space, and newcomers.

>>4687902
NOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT ANDF THINK ABOUT POLITICS ALL THE TIME!!!!
/POL/ IS THE HEART OF 4CHAN NOW!!
ESCAPING THE MODERN DAY POLITICAL TRAPPINGS OF THE WORLD AND JUST ENJOYING YOUR DOWN TIME IS CRINGE

>>4686134
rrat anon?

>>4686134
no they didnt

>>4688198
Let's just say merch of Gura saying "eat the rich" will be sold by the truckloads

>>4686391
Since when is being a lesbian political?

>>4685922
Fuck you and kill yourself, faggot.

>>4686134
it's confirmed one's black and one's latino

>>4688137
I would say making any commentary regarding society's stance on homosexuality is political. If you take a position regarding the acceptability or homosexuality in general - that's politics. There's a reason Kiara avoided even so much looking at the pride flags in her animal crossing stream. Very touchy subject.

>>4688328
I mean, from a certain angle everything is politics. Playing video games is politics, because it presupposes the legitimacy of the capitalist system that produced them.

>>4688420
Well, the Hololive girls don't avoid playing video games like they avoid saying the word "lgbt", so the greater audience clearly thinks of one as more political than the other.

>>4687419
i am... turning into a zhang...

There's enough of those lame ass "debaters" on Twitch...
>Muh LGBT
Don't you jokers get enough attention already...

>>4686690
Japs are not westerners or retarded burgers.

>>4688231
Simply mentioning being gay isn't political but discussing how society at large views you for being gay sure is and Tomoe has discussed that in the past.

>>4685922
Go watch some twicht whores instead of poison Hololive with your shit, fucking piece of shit

>>4686690
>By all counts it's the EN audience that is much more opposed to politics in their entertainment.
That has more to do with the polarizing nature of politics in the west and the actual interest of discussing politics in general.

>>4687419
>Makes cultural hegemony through academia filtering down to the rest of the world
>"Hm, you know Marx warned us about this. You'd better join up to fight against it :)"

>>4688316
And third is trans

>>4687902
ARE YOU A BABY MAN???? POLITICS IS GOOD AND ONLY REAL ADULTS DONT SHY AWAY FROM POLITICS!! VTUBERS SHOULD TALK ABOUT POLITICS!!! ESCAPISM IS FOR CHILDREN!! IF I COULD INJECT POLITICS INTO MY VEINS, I WOULD

>Just wanting to just watch cute anime girls play video games.

You people will complain about anything.

>>4686391
Kerin is master shitposter. It's like saying that sseth is your average YT video review maker.

>>4688880
Get real, no one gives a fuck if the japanese does it. People only give a fuck if it has to deal with western or American politics. After all, these politics are the ones that start riots, push activism, or sow real seeds of unrest. The best examples are that of Capitol Hill and the Spring Riots. People on this board knows how "involved" such politics can be. The people who are fully backed behind these ideas will start to grab onto space in which they deem can be invaded. Many big politicians do this. Unlike japanese audiences, right once western audiences find some idea they don't agree with they will start making up a stink everywhere. Then it won't just be normalfags, it'll be people looking to start some kind of movement within the company. The people that could be coming in aren't wanting to adapt to the culture around vtubers, but to form and shape it into whatever they want. If things get real political we would start seeing people getting pissed over games like hades just because the skins and looks of gods aren't accurate to greek gods and their depictions. People would start going off on the cultural appropiation that goes on in games. It would be a disaster. At that point, Holo would have to choose what they do, stay out of it all or cave. Truth is, both options are bad. This is because Cover is put in a situation where they look like bad guys if they don't choose. The other side sucks because now that they have chosen a side, not only are they expected to push and pander to keep an on edge audience who would be willing to drop you if you fuck up. You also lose another portion of the audience if they don't want that ideaology talked about or don't want politics at all. Frankly, it would be best if these events can be delayed as much as possible. I'm sure one day it's going to crack and break away. It's not gonna be some out of nowhere thing if that's what you think. Slowly, it will be chipped away without anyone noticing. Then bam, Zatsudan about Gamergate. At this point, I'm just waiting for it to happen. It could be tomorrow, could be in a few months. Who knows, I'll just be watching chuubas until the final yab.

>>4686391
Hate to say it, but their culture is usually a couple decades behind western culture. It will probably grow into the same cancer.

>>4689922
>Get real, no one gives a fuck if the japanese does it. People only give a fuck if it has to deal with western or American politics
That was my whole point, the Japs don't care if vtubers discuss politics and EN speakers do. Didn't read the rest, 20 words or less next time.

>>4686391
I mean he does get it wrong but so do you.

Politics in Japan isn't very polarized (yet) and can be discussed casually in a nuanced manner (so far).

For Westerners it's literally a battle against good and evil, everyone the foot soldier obligated to participate in the crusade and if you refuse then you'll be branded as an enemy. If Hololive opens itself to Western politics there won't be amiable discussions but literal battles intended to completely dominate or taking over entire agency with your preferred discourse.

Kinda like why Jap chuubas who discuss politics generally don't discuss Imperial Japan either, because it's a huge minefield. Now with Western politics there are alot of those minefields.

>>4690191
Good analysis. I'm worried that as Japan weirdly obsesses over trying to be like and simultaneously appease the USA, the country as a whole will devolve into the same kind of vitriol filled socio-political poop flinging society where everyone hates everyone and everything but you're not allowed to openly say so because someone who hates you more than you hate them will try to ruin your life because you hate a different group than they hate.

>>4686391
>VTubers are political!!!
>Showing screenshots of VTubers saying pretty normal 0815 things about sexuality

Well done, anonchama. Now bring proof and stop being a faggot.

>>4686490
Upd8 doest exist anymore so.... indienigger it is

>>4687589
Yes american politics and it's spreading eveywhere like a bad cancer case. We dont want that hypocritical shit

>>4690191
This. In japan they can discussed pol with chill views, kinda like when two foreigner discussing each other politics. It's different with America and my country for example, where people defend their politics like no tomorrow and will snap at you with the slightest hint of critizism

>>4685922
Fuck you and fuck your politics. I want NONE of that in Holo and the reason I'm watching it is because they stay away from that bullshit. It's the same reason people watch anime and not western trash.

>>4685922
Kills ad revenue on YT

>>4691809
>In japan they can discussed pol with chill views
I think this is the key. In America, pretty much every stance will be met with someone going
>YOU'RE KILLING US
>YOU'RE KILLING BLACK PEOPLE
>YOU'RE KILLING BABIES
>YOU'RE KILLING GRANDMA
In Japan that reaction seems pretty much non-existent, discussions don't seem as emotionally charged and inflated with all kinds of theoretical hyperbole

>>4691998
Clearly you haven't seen the netouyo side of Twitter where everyone who uses an irregular kanji gets accused of being a chink infiltrator hellbent on destroying their country.

>>4687902
That's what I'm saying. If a holo starts talking about politics, that's one of the few things that will make me instantly done with them.
Absolutely sick of seeing politics everywhere.

>>4692054
because it's actually true lol. I was checking the coco spam tag on twitter and found some chinks pretending to be a concerned japanese about some territorial issues and they just forgot to remove the coco tag

>>4692398
Also they were once exposed while LARPing as Ainu ppl

>>4685922
fuck off. nobody wants vtubers spouting political bullshit, we can get that by turning on the goddamned television.

>>4685922
I want to see/hear Gura get fucked on stream by that one male eceleb that keeps trying to insert himself into her life

Isn't Nyanners about to get cancelled for her moonman cover that was dug up recently? How will that affect future collabs?

>>4694331
Funnily enough, the song where she's talking about killing niggers won't be the one that gets her cancelled in the Holosphere, it's the one where she's talking about Japanese superiority and how Koreans are an inferior race, that's a huge no-no for Japanese advertising.

It's another "EN was a mistake and will inevitably turn PC" thread

>>4694408
link?

>>4685922
>normie EN audience isn't as aversive-
Kek
So, are you just gonna ignore the legions of mentally distraught trannies that plague your oshi's chat?

>>normie EN audience isn't as aversive-
>Kek
>So, are you just gonna ignore the legions of mentally distraught trannies that plague your oshi's chat?

>>4688316
>one's black
ah fuck's sake really? they're the fucking worst even without politics, they get jealous when they see successful white people

>>one's black
>ah fuck's sake really? they're the fucking worst even without politics, they get jealous when they see successful white people

>>4692054
Based? Based.

>>4686690
you're using outliers and conflating them as norms. doesnt work that way, faggot. outliers are outliers for a reason.

>>4687419
>marxbros
marx would kill you leeches for not working and shoot you in the face while not letting you have a gun.

>>4695259
Who's calling what a norm?

>>4688420
>capitalist system
capitalist system gave us good video games focusingon good values. faggots pushing degeneracy and LGBTP in games through "fundraising" by govt schemes isnt capitalism.

now go to your antifa riot while you "fight the fascists" when the govt and entire corporations support you.

>>4686475
>what kind of socialist will gura be?

>country girl, raised on a farm
>milking cows, scraping knees
>mom likes to barbeque
>has shot guns before
>wants to be a cowboy
>laughs at trannies

Yeah... sorry, gura is at the min, a libertarian, she might even be a registered republican, maybe even has a MAGA hat, and possibly might be a card carrying republican.

>>4695565
This is your brain on /vt/

>>4691809
>kinda like when two foreigner
I have unironically had much calmer debates with lefty burgers than lefties from EU or non-whites from third world countries.

>>4695498
It's because companies want to make profits in a capitalistic system from those troons that the video games you like get censored in the west and creative freedom is dead

>>4685922
Post stinks of curry. Take a shower, poo in the loo, and try again.

>>4695565
>gura is at the min, a libertarian, she might even be a registered republican, maybe even has a MAGA hat, and possibly might be a card carrying republican.
She may be a little slow at times, but she's not a retard.

>>4695587
>>4695827

>thinks it's crazy she might be a republican, or own a maga hat
>never met a country girl before.

Dude, you need to get out and meet some people. country girls are remarkably republican.

>>4695940
I think it's "crazy" that you equate somebody having a dad that barbecues and having milked cows as telltale signs of someone's political status.

>>4695759
>capitalistic system
govt funding anything isnt capitalistic system, nigger. its a hegemony at best and dictatorship at worst.

>>4686134
well, CN and ID only have 3 vtubers per gen
EN Gen1 was an exception, I think

>>4696006
t.troon feminist who hates feminine tomboy women

>>4688277
It always has been, same reason why being a lesbian is a meme for the most part. Lesbian until graduation is a thing, girls larping or just experimenting for a few years then going back to men for actual stability and companionship makes "actual" lesbians seethe

>>4694555
https://files.catbox.moe/ynk5o9.webm

>>4696079
Gura could be all of those things and it would not mean that she's MAGA by default. Meds.

>>4695827
My rrat is Gura has seen through the bullshit of your American politics and has no affiliation, but rather tries her best to live up to an authentic existence, which in the eyes of leftists seems right wing but in Gura is more of an apolitical thing and a reason vs folly kind of thing.

We're way past the point of pretending that leftism is in any way beneficial on an individual or collective level, but that doesn't validate American style republicanism. Both are errors.

>>4696188

>>4696079
>country gals
>feminine
>tomboy

>>4696006
It's obviously kind of a stereotype, but they're stereotypes for a reason

>>4696010
But it was a capitalistic system when video games were good? Lol

>>4696188
it seems you really believe majority of the country doesnt like Trump. you better believe it because the real world is very different to twitter.

>>4696397
Yeah, and Gura is a part of the population that uses Twitter the most. A young adult white female.

>>4695498
>capitalism gave us good games
heard of ET anon? crash of 1983? microtransactions? do your history reps, or better yet, shut the fuck up about politics especially if you know jackshit

>>4696207
>the bullshit of your American politics
>which in the eyes of leftists seems right wing
>We're way past the point of pretending that leftism is in any way beneficial on an individual or collective level
You sound burgerpilled

>>4694193
though i sympathize with certain political movements, i sure do hope en hololive fucks off with politics. indie en vtubers are more than obnoxious with their divisiveness and moral highgrounding.

>>4696342
>But it was a capitalistic system when video games were good? Lol
yes

>heard of ET anon? crash of 1983? microtransactions?
you really are easily distracted with head fakes arent you? microtransactions is obviously kikery. kikery isnt capitalism. same thing with the crash of 1983, saturation by flooding the market with cheap shit isnt capitalism, its corporatism and is much more intune with marxism and judaism than capitalism. if saudi arabia floods the market with cheap oil to bring down the price of gas, it isnt capitalism, its market manipulation by corporations which are often controlled by govts.

>>4697014
>>4696521

>>4695565
you fags think a goon like gura who falls alseep on the floor near her bed and reeks due to lack of showering gives a shit about politics?

>>4697014
>microtransactions is obviously kikery. kikery isnt capitalism. same thing with the crash of 1983, saturation by flooding the market with cheap shit isnt capitalism
"NOOOO REAL COMMUNISM HASN'T BEEN TRIED YET"

>>4685922
Vshoujo's success already proved that. They don't need any more proof.

>>4697223
read Ordeal of Civility

>>4697223

>>4697223
just as expected, go to your govt funded antifa riot where you "rage against the machine" and leave hololive to us.

Retards so eager to argue that they don't even recognize when someone is on their side

>>4696169
Uh oh...

>>4695638
We're talking about discussion between people htough anon, not subhumans.

>>4695184
odds on after receiving not-gura growth after debut her roommate bitches on twitter about how white people just won't give her a chance

>>4686853
american politics always boils down to saying shit like
>white people bad
>trans rights are human rights
>down with capitalism
>men are pigs
>ACAB
and collecting your goodboy points for supporting the radical left. besides, i'm not interested in women's vapid political takes.

>>4688272
I'd buy that ironically

>>4686134
source: trust me bro

>>4688420
>I mean, from a certain angle everything is politics.
Kill yourself.

>>4685922
>aversive
ESLchama...

>>4702264
This American politics are fucking retarded.

>>4686853
is this the Hunter x Hunter of VT posts

>>4685922
I think part of the reason Hololive's gotten so big outside of Japan is because it's free of politics. Letting them start speaking on political issues will tank everything they've built up because the screeching minorities on twitter are a fraction of the people actually watching.

>>4697246
It's a different appeal. They're not trying to be idols so it makes sense. HL members are idols by definition. You can't get too political there.

>>4697014
>market manipulation by corporations controlled by govt
anon...

>>4697223
but anon it hasnt, communism is international. to be more accurate, socialism has been tried so many times and it failed almost every time because insert whatever excuse

This thread is bait and you all fucking bit