/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I like vtubers

>>46812863
It's healthy for adult woman to have sex, and wanting your oshi to be a virgin is weird (sex is better if you both know what you're doing)

OP should go back to twitter

The world would be a better place if this board were deleted.

>>46812863
It was wrong for Cover Corp to terminate the China branch. So many reason why it was a bad decision.

You'd be happier if you went back to being a clipfag.

>>46812975
oooh, that's a good one. I think you're crazy, but definetly a hot take

>>46812863
Hololive is nowhere near as boring as /vt/ sisters say. Holo JP members are still some of the funniest vtubers that I ever watched.
Mikochi, Pekora and Subaru alone have more entertainment value than 99% of the EN vtubing scene that some people are trying to sell as "better".

>>46812863
Deadbeats are unironically the worst Hololive En fanbase. Way worse than Saplings, Chumbuds, KFP, IRyStocrats, Kronies and Teammates

>>46812863
No idea if this is an unpopular opinion because i just got here because i clicked on a a banner.
Gawr Gura sucks. I watched her FAITH playthrough and she missed absolutely everything , didn't look for any secrets no nothing. It was the most boring thing i ever watched someone else doing.
And given how subtle things in FAITH can be, i can't imagine how frustrating it must be watching her play other games like it.

I think child sexual abuse is wrong and pedophiles deserve bullets in their skulls.

>>46812975
valid opinion, but it was doomed to fall eventually
(rest of the world can't comply with the guidelines they keep imposing on entertainment)

even if they kept it around, it would be isolated box, which makes the brand value addition non-existent(for the company and the talents)

>>46813216
Virtue signaling is almost the exact opposite of hot takes.

>>46813105
Gura lost her will to stream like 6-7 months after her debut. Every stream since that point was dogshit.

>>46812863
I like male collabs because my oshi cucks me

>>46813281
This thread is full of unironic pedophiles, and I’m sick of it. This is a hot take on this board.

>>46812863
EN has the worst fanbase in Hololive

>>46813367
Just go back you faggy activist.

>>46813459
Shut the fuck up, pedo.

I think froot is cute

>>46813105
She’s actually good at games she cares about. Just, most of the time, she doesn’t care.

>>46813367
*board

>>46812863
If you don't like a chuuba or their content, you can always close the tab instead of seething like a retard

I think Smol Ame is an unfunny forced meme.

>>46813023
>>46813238
Call me an optimist. But I think that given time the barriers between Chinese fans ans the rest of the world would erode. The power of cute anime girls would unite all of humanity.

>>46812863
Holostars JP are more like idols than Hololive, not just in the sense they're better performers but their "story" is more like the traditional idol journey as well.

>>46812975
They said unpopular opinions.
HoloCN did nothing wong

>>46814046
This I agree with

Hololive members aren't that special, and besides the 3D event spam there's nothing that separates their content from the rest of the field. You could replace every member with a random 2view and they'd still be at the top of the food chain.

I like Mori

>>46814168
Unpopular opinion or a reason.

I will quite literally never watch a stream of a chuubah even if I like them if they're playing a game or activity I hate. Not even the most entertaining vtuber can make dogshit like gaypex or faggorant bearable to watch. Same goes for almost any jrpgs which are an absolute slog to watch.

>>46812863
The only good one is Zeraxos

>>46812863
holoen's natural audience ARE homobeggars. should have gatekept harder, let it die

>>46814078
I agree. I think they're helped by their underdog status in that regard. Hololive talents, by contrast, have it too easy from debut onwards so they don't have a satisfying idol journey.

Vtubers should stop complaining publicly about everything and find some actual friends to vent to

>>46814463
Yeah just ignore that it's Yagoo's mandate and he encourages it.

>>46812863
I think VTubing should have never expanded outside of Japan. No EN branches, no ID branches, none of that shit.

We should bring back the Chinese vtuber thread

>>46814080
Civia my beloved

Yagoo is a lucky retard and when he tries to do something it fails. He's literally the rot in the company.

>>46812863
The one person in HoloEN who used Hololive as a springboard and funneled interest towards her roommate is Ina. She has no interest in getting close with her audience or any idol aspirations, what she wanted was connections in the entertainment industry.

>>46812863
Twitterfag thread, do not reply

>>46814289
He said unpopular, not popular

>>46812863
Male vtubers are boring garbage, brotubers is just an homobeggars myth to promote them.

i legitimately have no idea why suisei is popular, she isnt hot, her singing is just ok, her model is boring, and her voice is a dime a dozen

>>46814910
It's her plotline, that's it, nothing else.
Which is funny cause Daisenpai has been a holo since the very start and is nowhere near as popular

>>46812863
This board, as shizo and extremely negative and hateful as it is, it's still so much better than reddit.

>>46814910
popularity is singing. its a pretty broad subject so you might not comprehend some singer as being popular because you might not like the songs - i for one don't get why rap songs are popular for example.

>>46814905
i fell for that meme, saviorfagging makes you support things that you shouldnt

>>46814910
I agree with this so much. She might be the most overrated holo imo.

The board would benefit from requiring a login of some sort to view threads and reply to them, along with some sort of permanent identifier for each anon.

>>46812863
This image only ever prompts totally safe and socially acceptable takes and the person will act like they are the only ones that think that to farm interactions.

>>46812863
People want to watch anime girl without having male collab even when they already married. But i guess having that preferences is controversial now in western mentality.

>>46812863
Artia did nothing wrong.

>>46815390
Is it? My oshi could have a bf or a husband and I wouldn't give a single fuck. Just don't say it, it's that simple. If you are wearing an anime avatar to stream, have the decency to stay as that avatar when you stream.

>>46814289
Same here. I don't get how just because it's your oshi or whatever, you feel compelled to watch it no matter what. There are games that nobody can make entertaining no matter what. However, a good game can make me watch someone I normally wouldn't watch. Game choice is super fucking important and I don't want to pretend like it isn't.

>>46812863
Men are better vtubers.

>>46814289
>>46815687
That's the popular opinion, retards. Normalfags are attracted to the hyped games and they will skip streams without a thought if the game doesn't interest them. If you have an oshi and not just meme around, skipping streams because she isn't playing something you like should be punished by public stoning by the fanbase.

>>46812863
I don't mind the homos and male collabs and no I don't beg for them

>>46814910
Flat as a board, has a confidence and dignity the other big holos don't. Also has some gap moe with the psycho killer schtick, as well as the strange way ofput pronouncing English

>>46812863
Im OK with chuubas having a sex life both on and off screen. It is delusional and harmful in the long run to think they arent fucking before and after streaming.

>>46812863
Pippa did nothing wrong
>Captcha: Ah gay

>>46816358
Still don’t wanna hear about it

>>46814046
A lot of Ames memes are kinda forced
>Ground pound your mom
>amebee
>Smol Ame
People give Mori shit for beating jokes into the ground but Ame does the same

>>46816570
>Reaper
>Beating jokes into the ground
In the job description, no?

>>46812863
There's nothing wrong with using a vtuber model while also doing fleshstreamer content, it's just a different genre from vtubers staying in character.

>>46812863
The worst thing that can happen to you as a fan is that your oshi becomes successful, massively successful, as you stop being someone they really want to entertain and connect with, to become just another number on their screen.
Now I understand why there is so much 0 or 1 view saviorfag here.

>>46816689
Kek never thought of it that way

>>46812863
Playing non-competitive games is often garbage content, doubly so if it's one of those streamer bait games that almost every vtuber has played as if going through a checklist.

>>46816823
I'll add to this. I think oshis being high 2views - low 4views is good because it means you get to interact with them more and they know who you are and they're also more dependent on you so your voice matters a lot more.

>>46812863
Every single reaction image made with Irys's new model is awful and I wish people would stop using them

>>46815873
Not as hot a take as you'd think, men are inherently better at comedy and therefore better at crowd-pleasing and therefore better at streaming and therefore better at being vtubers.

>>46812863
Fauna is not boring.

>>46816947
New Irys is so bright and saturated it hurts my eyes. Old model was ugly yes but the colors were easier on the eyes.

i do not want to mating press Baelz, i find her rat tail quite disgusting

>>46814910
>>46815128
So jealous

>>46816977
Except that almost everyone prefers to watch anime girls than anime boys

>>46816981
She really isn't. I watched her since her Spore streams and she is always funny and silly. People think that soft spoken = boring. The only really boring thing about her was the pokemon arc.
Fauna has a great sense of humor.

>>46813306
Her last good stream was Rust.

I don't hate Mori like many lunatics here do, I think she's cute in a geeky and spergy kinda way, like those high school girls who want to be edgy and cool but end up being awkward and cringe, is somewhat adorable.
The only thing that ruins her for me is that vindictive bitchy attitude of wanting to own muh haters.

>>46817396
>The only thing that ruins her for me is that vindictive bitchy attitude of wanting to own muh haters.
I'm glad Ame has mostly given up that part about her streams, 2021 was legitimately unbearable in how she mostly tried to piss off antis instead of just having fun with her fans
>inb4 ame way
Doesn't excuse it

I have noticed that, despite what's being said about nijisanji and hololive, they have had the best fans for long.
It's obviously fact that nijisanji has a lot more schizos than hololive and that they have gotten a bad reputation, but the vast majority of both fanbases are very nice people.

On the other hand, small corpos seem to attract a lot more schizos and autists and they seem to be their main fanbase.
This seems to be the case because these schizos know that the small indie/corpo chuuba doesn't have the numbers to just tell them outright, that they are not welcome. They need to allow them their stay till they get big enough to get rid of them and these "people" will take advantage of that till then.

>>46812863
Pink cat good!

>>46812863
Just like anime, "non-trash VTubers" are the ones good at voice acting.

>>46817899
go back to sleep

>>46813105
>FAITH
Don't know what that game is, just checked her VOD
WHAT THE FUCK, PEOPLE PLAY UGLY SHITS LIKE THIS?

>>46813105
I remember I watched one of her MC streams and all she did was walk around.

>>46814522
THE yagoo!?!?

>>46812863
It's okay for women to enjoy BFE the same way that it's okay for men to enjoy GFE. Getting a partner is hard in different ways for both sexes, actually. And even if you enjoy either of those for reasons other than being single, everyone deserves some escapism.

>>46812863
If they show what the room mate looks like, I'm dropping them no matter if she's the hottest bitch alive or some 2/10 fatty. Once the mask is off, it is impossible to stay immersed.

I believe Cover ought to mandate some interaction between Hololive and Holostars just to kill off the parasitic unicorns

>>46812863
i can't stand how shit at games like 90% of the girls are

>>46814070
>humanity
They are subhuman

>>46814080
Civia is pretty popular. if you posted about one of the others THEN this would be pretty hot.

>>46818802
based. it doesn't matter whether it's Hololive, Niji, or small corpos. they should get more proper gamers as chuubas. No one who plays Necrodancer can seem to play it well, but it's definitely not a good game to stream. HITMAN streams still often pain me though.

>>46814910
Not only that but her gap moe shtick is cringe. stellar stellar is the most overrated song in Hololive and her songs are becoming progressively worst.

>>46813216
I agree, if you're talking about "real children".

watching loli vtubers is not pedophilia. if you think otherwise, tell it to twitter.
even former-tumblr-users agree you shouldn't water down serious terms like CSEM and pedophilia to mean stuff related to anime or fictional characters, because the consequences will actually pull you closer to hell.

>>46818986
I thought her first take video was unimpressive. I know it's done in one take but in the first few notes she was out of tune. And this was supposed to be her crowning achievement? It's cool but not earthshattering like some fans would make you think.

>>46817129
In terms of talent and impact, Suisei is closer to Azki than she is to Marine, Pekora, Miko, and Korone.

>>46815623
Like i said, it seem impossible for western mindset to adhere to some sort of standard, it either you get chastise for pandering to incel on social media and stream or you some sort of empowered women by sucking dick(bragging about irl relationship and bringing bf on stream) and call your fan an asshole for not watching them.

>>46812863
Everyone here has mastered Japanese or we are all secretly clip enjoyers.

>>46817094
Source?

>>46819306
OP says hot takes, not retarded takes

>>46818931
it's actually gotten to the point where i pray they don't play games i like because of how painful it is to watch them fuck everything up
i genuinely don't understand how every holo finds a way to miss the most blatantly obvious tutorials

>>46812863
pretty much all vtubers get both too much love and too much hate here.

>>46817396
I hate her for bringing garbage TT communities and disturb the communities of her genmate. I still can't believe she friend with them after joey literally said nene is a coomer when the magazine said she one of most influencing woman and discussing how it better that coco graduate because it will lead others to graduate from that black company. Bitch they make more money just by streaming 2 hours, these faggot grifter are fucking shit.

>>46814522
Yagoo don't know shit anymore bro, he just a ceo, not operational or branches manager. As far as he know, the fan love being a homobeggar.

>>46819386
While it's certainly somewhat of a mindset in europe, being either one or the other with no in between is an american mindset

>>46819494
this is also why I find myself wanting them to stream Story-Adventure games that I like... you clearly shouldn't be able to fuck up a playthrough as bad when there's not much gameplay in them to begin with. But even Amiya the Tsunderia spider chuuba fucked up that Webbed stream with forgetting how to do web-weaving until 1 hour into it... but in the meantime, they all really should still get into visual novels and other story-heavy games with less intense gameplay.

Crunchyroll-Hime is a great vtuber.

>>46812975
Only agree for Yogiri's case who did nothing wrong and has been suffering ever since

>>46812863
>Mori is good and makes great music
>Tempus is good and generally funnier than the girls.
>EN3 will be good
>In the future, more girls will probably collab with males. This doesn't make them whores.
>Unicorns don't really exist, people just pretend to be them for "fun" (shitposting) and for attention (you)s. It's a form of internet larping, and larping is only really fun when a bunch of other people are doing it with you, so that's how they keep it up.
>Nijisanji has several redeeming qualities. For one, they seem to have more fun in their day-to-day content than any of the holoen girls. I see these Nijis laughing and joking and having more collabs than in holo.
Lastly, not much of a hot take, but I wish we could combine the best qualities of both sides. The professionalism and kayfabe from Hololive combined with the fun and levity of Nijisanji. I'd like to see what that would look like.

>>46812863
OP should not kill himself

>>46819691
>I wish we could combine the best qualities. Professionalism and kayfabe from Holo with fun and levity of Niji
take the indie pill. I'm sure there's something you're looking for there.

>>46814905
Don't insult Lord Zeraxos like that

>>46819622
eh, i dunno about story games either
it goes one of two ways with those, either the chuuba gets super invested and it's kino or the chuuba doesn't give a fuck and ignores the story in favor of talking about random bullshit

Sana’s graduation had far more of a negative impact on Hololive than Coco’s did. In that this seemed like the point where EN unity and motivation collapsed entirely, as if a lot of grand plans all fell apart now a piece was missing, even if it was the smallest part.

>>46819790
True! In that case, I won't give up searching. Thank you anon.

>>46819881
>either it's kino with invested chuuba or they ignore the story in favor of saying random bullshit
that's another take I don't think gets discussed enough. if you're streaming a story game, know when to talk and what to say. don't just derail the game's narrative and cutscenes to be "noise in the background" with your bullshit. it happens so often that it irks me from watching them play those games, for sure.

>>46814070
Trust me, it might look like anime’s the only thing uniting those people, but chinks and gooks secretly seethe at nips still and believe (with reason) that they can steal anime from Japan and get the whole world to accept it as an “East Asian” thing. That’s going to be the big shitstorm over the next decade or so.
Like, just look at Genshin Impact. The game is literally just “what if we made weeb shit without being broke like the japs?” That’s why they have a worldwide server and the best artists and an open world and everything. They’re not more creative than Japan, they just know they can copy Japan and do it better because they have the money, too.
That fact alone is probably enough to make them all still hate each other a hundred years from now.

>>46819938
(forgot to add): at that point, if you talk over the game's story, it just shows your lacking quality as a gameplay streamer, honestly. more fitting to be a Zatsudan streamer maybe.

>>46819691
>>Unicorns don't really exist, people just pretend to be them for "fun" (shitposting) and for attention (you)s. It's a form of internet larping, and larping is only really fun when a bunch of other people are doing it with you, so that's how they keep it up.
This is very true and it should be noted that at this point it is clear even on an anonymous board that the same couple of schizos have been here replying to themselves 16 hours a day since 2020 at least.

In general, I find that the supposed drama and insanity on /vt/ never mind the wider fandom is quite overblown; where anime girls are involved, it seems that people overreact. Much of the behaviour that is presented as unique to this or that fanbase is something I've ran across time and again elsewhere without it soliciting so much outrage in outside observers.

>>46819883
My own unpopular opinion: Sana fucked over the branch way before that. By the time she was about to graduate, she didn’t matter anymore anyway. Yes, it got noticed by tourists, but the damage she actually did was practically from debut by not properly establishing herself and taking so many breaks so soon.

>>46819977
yep. vocally online people will always exaggerate things. normies don't really care about anyone's hobbies for good reason. it's a good reminder though because sometimes I still can't tell if someone's being ironic, but that's maybe because I'm autistic.

>>46812863
I hate special events and milestones and this entire hobby being shackled to the cycle of debuts, redebuts, anniversaries, milestones, birthdays, outfit reveals, big collabs and other similar shit is fucking exhausting
what's wrong with just streaming?

Kiara is pretty much everything people ask for out of a holo. But an inability to tap into the general fanbase, while schizos bend over backwards to find bizarre new reason to dislike her. Means she'll probably remain bottom of HoloEN.

>>46820117
Events make money.

Surprisingly wholesome thread and replies here.

>>46817759
As a small corpo enjoyer, you’re not wrong. But I think it’s much simpler than that. If you watch EN vtubers and you don’t watch Hololive or Nijisanji, there’s a good chance you *used to* and then migrated. It’s partially your typical hipster bullshit. But it’s also partially befuddlement at seeing people seethe as if they’re not allowed to leave. Which, for some people I guess is true. But again, if you watch small corpos you already left, so I think a lot of people who do straight up don’t understand why, say, chumbuds complain about Gura not streaming or why Niji fans can’t at least concede that a lot of their livers are polarizing for reasons that aren’t just “muh idol culture”.

>>46820151
streaming consistently also makes money

>>46820127
Someone used a monkey's paw to wish for an EN idol and got Kiara. Later they tried the same wish again and got the rat.

>>46819975
To be fair, a lot of those vtuber’s fans already know that certain types of games are glorified zatsudans and tune in specifically for that.

>>46820224
Tell them to wish again so EN3 can have the 3rd best EN.

GFE hurts everyone involved.

>>46819938
>>46819975
Watching any game stream for the story is just asking to be upset. Its like making your friend watch your favourite movie and looking at them the whole time hoping they react right. Which notoriously always ends in them going yeah that was alright. Any stream is just a medium for them to preform, this is true of any streamer but even more so of vtubers who should in some sense be playing a character.

>>46820127
i want to like kiara but the chicken voice and her tendency to go on tangents to the detriment of her gameplay filters me hard
metroid prime was unbearable for me because it was a constant cycle of
>start tangent
>game demands concentration
>try to remember where she was in the tangent
>game interrupts her again
and god it was fucking exhausting just save it for the superchat reading

>>46820261
>the viewer, set up with false expectations
>she streamer who will never fulfill the fantasy perfectly
>her actual boyfriend who basically got cucked with hundreds of strangers lol
>everyone involved's self-respect
Yep, gonna have to agree with this one.

>>46820372
not necessarily, in some cases it's not looking for the 'right' reaction but any reaction at all
i assure you reactfags like myself will be leagues happier with a reaction that's not as bombastic as expected vs the chuuba going
>wait what happened i wasn't paying attention why was that significant?

>>46812863
>ifunny/tiktok/9gag tier image+post
immerse yourself

>>46812863
Vtubers would be more enjoyable if they took their lore and kayfabe seriously.

>>46819938
>>46819975
it's a bad sign when a chuuba starts talking to chat during a cutscene instead of paying attention to whatever it's trying to show them

>>46812863
Having and being dedicated to an oshi is mentally exhausting and not sustainable in the long term.

>>46820372
fair. explains why I barely watch vtubers nowadays. Maybe I should look into flesh content creators, inferior as they may be. Better yet, actually play the games myself to be honest.

I still don't feel like I expect a specific reaction out of them though. just feels disrespectful for them to talk over it. even if I watch movie with friends, I expect them to talk *afterwards*, not while the movie is going on. it's hard for streamers to be talking that minimally for sure, but you can like, pause the game or talk only during walking sequences when nothing is happening. I don't feel like "playing a character" should be causing them to behave this way. just learn when do games actually give you downtime and breathing room to actually talk.

>>46820472
actually this yes. I don't need anything bombastic, just them to pay a little bit more attention to a game rather than themselves.

>>46820514
whoa bro she just said she lives in CAPYBARALAND and not japan hoohaaa whoooaaa this is so whacky
she called her dad PAPA CAPYBARA???
THIS KAYFABERINO IS SO KINO

Cover was right to debut Tempus. Given NijiEN’s implosion, having males so you can be an alternative was the right choice.
It’s the way Cover handled it that was the problem. Trying to use Tempus as an excuse to not debut EN3 was inexcusably stupid and is either a sign of their hubris or a sign of them cheaping out and not wanting to admit they’re not putting enough resources into HoloEN. But merely having male EN vtubers in the company was not, in itself, a bad idea.

>>46820529
also agreed! that basically shows they don't really like the game, in that case, I don't mind the stream ending then and there, or them continuing to a long zatsu instead. but of course, for good PR and public presence, they can't disrespect games to that extent, since developers or publishers are sometimes watching. it's also a huge sign of the fact that they won't upload a Part 2 if that game can't be finished in 1 stream, which is always a bummer when it happens... I wanted Ame and Ina to finish A Hat in Time even if the co-op was janky and is only implemented as an obvious afterthought...

>>46820563
That's not enough to even meet the baseline of what should be expected.

>>46820563
>>46820651
Doing things like referencing lore when talking about irl shit isn’t in itself the thing people are looking for, it’s a proxy for other, more important things. If you’re conscientious enough to do the little things, it’s a sign that you take your character seriously.
There are exceptions and nuances to this. To some extent, no one really cares if you say “Japan” instead of (made-up isekai kingdom) if overall you keep up the immersion. But it’s the little things, and remembering to do that is a sign that your ego is in check enough to realize your fans are here for your character, not its roommate.

>>46820563
Pekora not only changes her voice but her entire sentence structure to fill her character -- she adds "peko" in to the end of sentences as a vocal quirk, so fluently that you'd assume it was just how she normally talks.
She never acknowledges being 3D either only her character. Nor does Suisei. They specifically only exist as virtual youtuber.

Even Matsuri follows the trend - she said how "matsuri was her", and she auditioned with that attitude supposedly. There was no in-between peson, she just fully assumed her character.

I actually think this is a big reason why Hololive came out on top. It all boils down to the kayfabe.
Luckily we have EN members that still kinda follow this strategy, especially like Fauna for instance.

>>46812863
There is no evidence of nepotism with Ina. The anons here mistakenly believe it because they’ve never held a real job before. A random employee does not choose who gets hired or not.

A few of the popularly accepted roommate roommate accounts aren’t actually the right person. Won’t say more because I’m not a doxxbeat and would rather people stay wrong on this one.

Anybody who is delusional enough to genuinely believe X vtuber is or will be their gf/wife deserves to be suckered for every penny. As the saying goes, “A fool and his money are soon parted”.

Similar, anybody who deludes themselves that Y vtuber doesn’t have or has never had a bf deserves to find out the hard way.

Rather than a holoES branch or ID4, cover would be much better off doing an EN3 consisting of bilinguals or trilinguals. It doesn’t have to be “holoEU” but if they had one Spanish, one French, etc it would work out better than dropping 5 Spanish at once and oversaturating

/vt/ should have post IDs. Unlike flags they don’t cause derailment.

Fubuki was and still is dead serious about the pact. This betrays a lot of information about Hololive’s major yabs.

Pomu is cute

>>46820996
I agree, but that's because "content creation on youtube" is such an unoriginal pursuit. so "kayfabe", being an original quirk, makes them interesting, and that's why they got the 2020 popularity boom despite normie streamers being everywhere already. only having an anime model is not enough since everyone who watched Pewdiepie on a particular year basically knows about Kizuna Ai.

>>46818203
>T.chink fujo

>>46820375
>i want to like kiara but the chicken voice
Can you elaborate on what you mean by "chicken voice"? She's several registers lower than she was in her first year.

>>46812863
I find the idea of simpimg for a company ridiculous. Hololive has talent I like, talent I don't care about, and incompetent management. Ninjisanji is exactly the same. Supporting a company wholesale just seems weird.

>>46821377
is she? to me she still sounds like nails on a chalkboard when she speaks but i also only tune in when she's playing games i'm interested in i.e. metroid prime

>>46812863
Hololive and Holostars should have never been separated in the first place

>>46812863
all of Hololive EN are entertaining, charismatic and deserve their top place of vtuber's world.
I had year long break where I watched 2views, Twitch mainstream chuubas and different agencies like niji and PC.
When I came back, I watched all of myth and councilRyS streams. Even hated /here/ Mori or "boring" Ina are fucking leagues ahead of 5views from Twitch in chat interactions, charm and humour without acting like whores.
Whoever disagrees is doing it because he wants to be original and hipster. I mean, there is appeal in watching 2views, because they are basically normal people that you can befriend and play games with, but there is no reason to choose anything different than hololive if you are looking for high-value entertainment

>>46821413
It’s much more tempting to do that when the algorithm tends to give you content from the same corpo. And also when the corpos themselves do branding and collabs to reinforce it. I do my best to avoid tribalfagging, but I do avoid watching anyone from corpos that have a high number of vtubers I don’t like.
I don’t really care if Pomu doesn’t deserve that, but if I were to watch her clips and streams, I’d get a bunch of Luxiem garbage shoved down my throat by the algorithm. Sure, I can click “do not recommend” and try to clean that up, but it’s much easier to just avoid NijiEN entirely, even if that means collateral damage.

>>46821413
some people make brands part of their identity, so any criticism of that brand becomes personal.

>>46821470
>she still sounds like nails on a chalkboar
This is what the original post meant by bending over backwards. Not only has her voice really changed, she even changed her mic settings multiple times. Including fixing her goxlr recently. Its just a thing people repeat at this point.

>>46821377
NTA, but seriously, look up her roommate's voice. It is pure sex. Kiara is great, but it hurts to hear her

>>46821531
This is true except for Mumei. Can't watch a mumei stream for the life of me. I can even watch Kaela more than Mumei for some reason.

>>46821470
>to me she still sounds like nails on a chalkboard when she speaks
You'll probably never like Kiara then. Good luck with your hearing sensitivity.

>>46821675
Mumei, come on. You are really funny and cute. Don't be so hard on yourself

>>46821776
it's not bad to be humble!

All female vtubing models should from now on wear hijabs. I find that none of them covering up strongly goes against my beliefs

Shippers are borderline antis, and Cover needs to take a hardline stance against shipping. HoloEN fans in particular are too retarded to handle being allowed to ship: both major EN ships had to have the participants explicitly come out and tell the shippers to knock it off, with AmeSame in particular blatantly ruining the friendship of the girls involved. Meanwhile, BaeRyS has significantly reduced their interactions beyond the occasional Chadcast and some Valentines content that they had planned nine months before, back when the BaeRyS thing was still fresh and hadn't gotten so awful, and even then, they backed out of everything that they could. Schizos blame the BaeRyS karaoke offcolab on /HiRyS/ losing their shit over it, but the reality is that there probably wouldn't have been any content at all if they hadn't sunk money into the covers. It's right there in the rules of every stream that you aren't allowed to bring up other streamers, and Cover needs to start enforcing that. Weed out the shipschizos and the hololive fanbase will improve significantly.

>>46812926
Them being virgin means they’re oure and not sluts!

>>46822021 (me)
That should be both major MYTH ships that have had to have the participants come out and tell the shippers to fuck off, referring to AmeSame and Takamori.

>>46814910
watch the video of her singing aqua's song in the medley, that gap moe is a big reason why.

>>46812975
Genuinely awful opinion, but that's what we're here for I guess

>>46814080
Yes, Bilibili was the problem and HoloCN got caught up in the attempted hostile takeover

>>46812863
HoloCN was better than HoloEN by miles.

>>46821514
You can watch Nijisanji for that

They should make a HoloTN for Taiwan lol

>>46820199
Yeah you might be right. I am enjoying both atm and it's nearly impossible for me to talk about smaller corpos /here/ because the fans are just not people i can relate with.

>>46819977
These people do not care about the vtubers. They care about attention and validation from other Anons and use the vtuber in question for their sorry existance

>>46820423
Honestly it's not THAT bad if you
>make clear it's rp
>are single
>make clear nothing will ever come out of it. Otherwise i agree tho.

>>46812863
I enjoyed the lofi cover album and wish more Holos would use it as their BGM again.

>>46812926
>and wanting your oshi to be a virgin is weird (sex is better if you both know what you're doing)
Low IQ take. It's better for both of you to learn together

>>46812919
fpbp, /vt/ just shits on every vtuber

>>46817147
*Americans
Niji males supremely popular

>>46812863
I find Pekora really boring and irritating (the latter mostly because of the ugly voice)

>>46820372
You want to know why Subaru gets so many people watching her JRPG streams? Because she gets invested in the story in a really enjoyable way.

>>46821514
Nijisanji is a thing, why people want to change the brand when they can just watch another brand. When you include holo and star, it cease to be hololive anymore, just a lite niji.

>>46812919
WOW WOW WOW HEY NOW CALM DOWN

>>46813105
mortees

EN VTubers were a mistake, HoloEN even more so

>>46814070
> [Chinese fans] ans the rest of the world would erode. The power of cute anime girls would unite all of [humanity].
There's your problem

>>46819691
> The professionalism and kayfabe from Hololive combined with the fun and levity of Nijisanji.
Sooooo HoloJP?

NijiEN is just better.

>>46812863
I do not find Subaru Oozora interesting or attractive.

>>46820514
FUCKING THIS

Their lore are fucking nowhere

The last time a lore based outfit making me "how that's based" was Gura atlantean outfit

>>46816570
most of those are on the fans, though.

>>46820996
>never acknowledges 3D
she's done handcam streams.

>>46812926
sure, but I dont need to see or hear anything about their sex lives or past/current partners

>>46820015
imagine if someone who actually mattered had been the first EN graduation, though.

>>46820127
Kiara is alright, but she just has this bluntness to her words that make people cringe. It's not like she's purposefully rude to others, she's just not aware of it.

>>46819691
>kayfabe from Hololive
What kayfabe? Most of them have never even tried keeping up the kayfabe.

>>46814070
That's a very hopeful and optimistic opinion, anon. That's why it's never going to happen. More likely scenario:
>china and usa start ww3 over something stupid.
>World is destroyed.
>ChatGpt survives and saves 5 hololive unicorns, and forces them to watch AI generated streams of Tempus collabing with EN members until the end of time.
>Chatgpt figures out immortality and forces the last unicorns to go through 10 millions years of cuckoldry before aliens pass by in their ufo and decide to nuke the earth and end the unicorns suffering.

Female vtubers are generally boring and rely heavily on being "cute." If you want to beat your meat, just watch hentai.

>>46821355
>t. subhuman yurifag
Looks like my correct opinion popped someone's vein

>>46824105
this. i can barely understand nip but even just watching her play persona 4 i could tell she was invested, it was great

>Mori is actually entertaining and it's refreshing to have a chuuba who isn't always trying to be perfect or lean into "anime girl who can't live irl and doesn't bathe" trope
>Zaion did everything wrong and is a dumb bitch, memes aside the writing on the wall is clear that she dropped the ball hard
>average /vt/ sister is a clip watcher and only pretends to like their oshi, YWNBJ
>nijisanji en is fun despite the yabs because they have consistent streamers who produce actual content instead of breaks for months on end
>male vtubers are actually fun to watch because they usually engage with chat more frequently and usually have more interesting game choices

also if you simp for a company you should jump into traffic

>>46823027
based romantic

>>46813078
This is approaching an absolute zero take

Even the top twitch vtubers are staggeringly unfunny. I understand why Cover has been dragging their feet and insanely selective with their talents

>>46814910

>>46829730
pretty hot and pretty reasonable, friend!
I'm not mocking you and there's atleast 80% genuineness on display here

>>46812975
>It was wrong for Cover Corp to terminate the China branch. So many reason why it was a bad decision.
Yagoo probably did regret that decision since it blocked them from one of the biggest vtuber markets. The way Coco had projects constantly turned down after her suspension was a sign that management was angry with her after the flag incident. A little suspicious that after the Cover IPO that Haachama seems to be getting closer to a graduation announcement.

>>46813053
You can't expect anons in this board to actually watch a JP stream.

>>46814080
>HoloCN did nothing wong
Artia was cancer on par with Coco and needed to go. The rest of them I feel bad for, especially Yogurt.

>>46827922
HoloEN and NijiEN don't even try anymore. All actual lore autists are in JP.

Not really an opinion but a fact. Female fans of male vtubers actually prefer their oshi to be straight as long as they're not a horndog for other female vtubers. Anyone replying to this saying it's not true is a male and their opinion can be safely discarded because they're just flabbergasted that what they've been told all along was a lie.

>>46812863
Coco was fine but mostly boring and not great. People worshipped her and supported her out of pity and out of hatred for the chinks (as did I). And KSON joining VShojo has proven how pretty much everyone was just pretending to love Coco to spite the dirty inhabitants of west Taiwan. And it has also proven just how not entertaining she really is.

>>46821531
damn, she jiggly
>>46821675
this guy won the worst opinion award

>>46812863
The average anon on this board is funnier than the average talent.

>>46812863
Vtubing is for people who don't value their time at all. Only some clippers and top 1% of streams provide the value listening to an audiobook would provide.
Vtubers should do more video content, like kizuna ai did before and some vtubers do today.

>>46833885
I wasn't talking about EN.

>>46812863
Mori being fat isn't that bad when you consider all her other problems

>>46819517
Holy ESL

>>46834880
Some JP from both companies do try and are immersed into it, and more importantly, people who collab with them respect their RP.

>>46834763
This shouldn't be a hot take. This should be common sense. Most streams are only entertaining for like 15% of it maybe.

>>46827922
NijiEN does, like Doppio

>>46833645
>since it blocked them from one of the biggest vtuber markets.
Not every market if worth pursuing. China always attempts to have more control over your business with time and if they can't will find ways to boot you using trolls more crazy than any unicorn army. That is basically what happened. No one was actually mad about the Taiwan stuff and you have to be a moron to believe it still. What Chinese fans were really upset about is not being the top priority of Cover. So they found an opening. Cover tried to be reasonable but after capitulating figured they'd keep pulling this stuff so left. Coco was restricted to try and shield other talents, and cause 75% of her ideas were not exactly corpo friendly.

>>46812863
All the popular singing chuubas are either bad or mediocre and they only sell because their fans are weebs who pretend like jpop is the ultimate genre and have never heard anything that's actually good
The only decent singing I've heard from a chuuba came from a random 2 view on twitch and the fact that she's not popular at all just proves my point

Another one: CEO worship is retarded and I hate that every fanbase big or small does it

>>46818083
>a game it's only good if it has good graphics
Fuck you, you are the reason the current video games industry is shit.

Lia did nothing wrong, her head is simply built different.

I really don't get the YAGOO praise. He's an out of touch middle aged boomer CEO who's made some terrible choices.
>Focusing on Tempus instead of EN Gen 3
>All the permission hurdles and idol meetings
>Focusing on HoloEarth and that horror game instead of improving their terrible, crash prone app.

people thinking that a v-tuber is his girlfriend should go so an expert, and no, your autism doesn't make your special or anything, you don't even have autismo, you are probably stupid.

>>46835728
I can't really argue with the rest, but the bit about permissions is something Yagoo did correctly. Do you not remember the Holocaust?

>>46835942
ESL? phoneposter? just retarded?
we may never know...

>>46834991
Yes, some do, but not even half of them bother with it. Some even outright discard their kayfabe and start making up shit as they go. The only ones that somewhat follow their kayfabe don't have much of a kayfabe in the first place.
Claiming that HoloJP is the golden standard when it comes to kayfabe is asinine at best.

>>46835728
I seriously doubt he made every single decision in the company. He is liked cause of good PR and not directly committing any fuck ups. Also Yagoo is a funny thing to say, a lot is a natural extension of fans being amused by his existence and them playing into it.

>>46836038
spanish talking, so? Any problem?

>>46836109
Debi is the golden standard. Full on autism, only gets out of character when completely drunk, even when playing TRPG sessions a lot of "Debi" is still in the characters.

>>46834615
newfag

>>46836179
jajaj sudaca puto

>>46837207
sorry that a cartel killed your family mexibro

I don’t think we need a Spanish speaking branch for Hololive

>>46838034
>We

>>46812863
Hololive fans tend to exaggerate the girls talents or even create them from nowhere.
Botan "The FPS Queen": Zero participation in ranked games or tournaments. She is good playing them sure, but even Aqua had the balls to participate in V-Saikyou.
Gura singing: Reaching high notes = Goddess. Holy shit, any V-singer mogs her, even IronMouse.

lewdtubers and twitch vtubers are boring

>>46838034
Agree, but I would like a latina in hololive. Not a rich bitch that hates her own culture like Reimu.

>>46838084
yes we. nta, but yeah. it doesn't take a genius to understand the general population of hololive fan do not fucking need a spanish speaking branch.

i'll go so far as to say it's actually a good thing to not have spanish holomembers. native spanish speakers are often annoying and dumb assholes so yeah.

>>46838631
We already have one: Ame.

>>46815396

>>46812863
Coombaiters are just boring af streamers.

>>46838504
"Ame the creative genius" is a vast over exaggeration that annoys me

>>46814046
and "groudpound" those two are the most overused shitty memes that has spawned from Holo I fkn despise them and ppl who use still use them...

I think there’s a serious lack of black VTubers.
>inb4 /pol/

>>46839257
Why do you want more black vtubers?

"HiRyS is IRyS" is the dumbest opening phrase a vtuber have invented...

I don't care that pikamee died, /vt/.

>>46835073
The government regulations in China are numerous but Vox Akuma does stuff all the times that goes against the minor rules and nothing happens. If vtubers don't get political or go too far with the coomer bait the Chinese market is not that hard to navigate. Western censorship is vague unwritten rules that is constantly shifting towards more depravity which is the reason western vtubers have to be careful with their words.

>>46839257
Vesper... forgotten...

>>46839284
Just to have something different

holoJP7 would bring more attention and money to Cover than 3 homoEN generations combined

>>46839257
you have nijiniggers isnt that enough?

>>46839064
The worst part of that, is that Ame is not being a creative genius, She is just doing management job properly. A task and investment that should be from Cover, is actually from Ame's own money and time.
If you just say that Ame is a genius, like even Yagoo did, you are just covering for the whole company mistakes.
>>46838833
She doesn't speak spanish...

>>46838504
It's not really a huge exaggeration because they're comparing them to other Hololive members. They just forget to add "within Hololive" at the end of their statements.

Not specifically /vt/ but related.
All collabs are shit.
They remove any and all interaction between streamer and chat.

Hololive is becoming way too big, I hope there wouldn't be any new gens coming in

>>46839528
That's all?

2+ hour long streams are not fun

>>46839907
And often awkward too, thats why I dislike all except a very few selected collab pairings.

>>46840245
Agree with this one. I really wanted to watch ShyLily because of some clips I saw, but then I looked at her stream catalog and they're all like 6+ hours long.

>>46812863
Idols being seiso is important. If they aren't, they just become e-girl twitch streamers with anime avatars. This will eventually push vtubers into irrelevancy because it's going to be two or three vtuber personas that everyone will adopt.

>>46814080
I miss her... my first oshi... I will always be her dumb-dumb knight...

I know she's reincarnated but it's not the same.

>>46839907
it's crazy too because regular streamers can collab and still interact with their chat, this is exclusively a vtuber problem

Your oshi is not a whore.

>>46841885
wtf dropped

I think Gawr Gura is the best vtuber in the world, but somehow that's unpopular these days, at least on /vt/.

>>46814289
Wrong

I don't have an oshi. Before vtubers, I didn't have a waifu either. I envoy people who do have an oshi. I think those people are capable of loving themselves.

>>46813281
Not on this board, another anon already bit the bait

>>46819947
I aspire to be, one day, as delusional as this anon so that I may finally be able to form a parasocial relationship with a VTuber and put a bullet through my brain after happily spending all my life savings on her.

>>46819977
>unicorns don't really exist
So you think men like seeing girls they like be chummy with other guys. You must be either a woman or a normalfag.

>>46820375
I watched her offcollab with Subaru and I loved the part where Kiara is about to start blabbering about nothing but Subaru goes "KIARA! NO TALK, PLAY!" I wish other girls just told her to shut up and play the game more often

Mori would be happier if she wasnt in hololive

>>46812863
I hate that everyone /here/ think that vtubing is GFE when it was never like from the beginning and collabing with males is not a problem

>>46845368
GFE is bad.
Collabing with males is also bad.

>>46839722
Ame can speak Spanish, albeit not fluently

>>46818802
kek this. The majority of the time I get frustrated when someone is playing some semi difficult game.

>>46846955
I pretty much exclusively watch vtubers who play games I hate, or games from genres I hate. Games I will never ever not ever actually play myself.

>>46846955
Well... almost 0 girls is legit good at games desu

>>46828045
I have no oshi and I must gosling

>>46812863
Pippa is the worst thing to happen to vtubing in the last year

>>46812863
I stop reading /hlgg/ whenever an EN streams because their fans are usually the most boring and annoying kind of posters
>my ina :)
>ameeeeee
>I think mori is cute
>gura cute gure cute
>uuuuuuuuuuuu
>quaso
The marine sex posts are not better, but they don't bother me as much because the spams usually ends pretty quick

>>46822059
We love sluts here, fag

>>46814046
>>46814106
>>46816570
How could anyone hate Smol Ame? That meme is cute as fuck.

>>46812863
VShojo is an awful company and people shouldn't be giving them collabs or any interaction. There are better chuubas and companies out there who deserve the attention they get.

Nijien should have hired Mel Nekomata within her first three auditions at least. The fact that they didn't hire her for the role of Reimu Endou is a tragedy. At this point she's auditioned 10 times and I feel like nijien probably has her blacklisted kek

Holostars concerts have way better coreography than hololive concerts do. Instead of focusing on moving cutely they are actually dancing.

Chubbas should not be allowed to be public about their dating and sex lives

>>46849382
Why the fuck is every video about her some sort of bodily excretion complation when I look her up. What the fuck.

>>46849257
Because walfie

>>46849535
Holostars being the idol branch is no joke.

This board gets way too mad about trans folks and lets them live in their head rent free and it’s fucking annoying

Vchubba need a corpo, shits like numi, lily, yuzo bao etc get old real fast with the I'm a bottom, I'm virgin, nya, I put this in my coochie, I'm so random, poop, I'm gay, don't make me do this challenge, fart noises, I CUM like this etc.

>>46849382
Have you ever watched any of her streams beyond her breaking down or farting/shitting? Her main issue is that even though she could keep topics up and keep chatting a lot of the time, she was too easily swayed by her emotions to act rashly or make rediculous statements. People talk about Menhara all the time with corpo vtubers, but most of them can maintain some level of self control that helps keep them off of yab shit that might get them canned. There's no way Mel would be able to filter herself that well.

>>46849885
you will never be a woman

>>46850132
Well I’m a guy and have zero desire to be a woman

>>46839466
I know it's dumb, but I still like it.

>>46849885
To be fair, trannies did bully a vtuber into quitting vtubing, so a lot of the anger is justified.

>>46849885
Blame /v/ and /pol/, for some reason they love vtubers

Trannies and cis males make better vtubers than women.
Modern women are WAY too spoiled and will always fuck up and become ungrateful. They are incapable of playing characters because they always want to make it about themselves

>>46851263
>trannies ruin video games
>video game board hates trannies
>trannies ruin politics
>politics board hates trannies
"For some reason"

>>46850132
>>46851036
>>46851263
>>46851441
I come here to talk about cute anime girl streamers, not political shit.

>>46851441
What ruined gaming was activision, nintendo, EA, and blizzard. not some tranny making a dilator mini game

>>46851426
KYS tranny

>>46851724
Not a tranny. You can’t get cucked by a trap. If you were a proper oldfag, you would know this. Traps make better women because they understand and empathize with men.

>>46817147
It's the general consensus of the weeb subculture. People will always prefer and throw money at anime women regardless of talent.
Ina is one example of being one of the most boring vtubers in the entire industry and yet still one of the most successful.

>>46817899
Pink cat good
Pic not related

>>46817147
This trend will reverse in time, male streamers and content creators always do better in the long term than women. Women only are more successful vtubers because people mistakenly gave them a chance after being fooled by the anime avatar.

>>46812863
Ironmouse is the only good VShojo member and VShojo is not a bad corp.

>>46820127
It's a good take. I'm a Kiara fan and she's a damn hardworking chuuba, but man I wish i could tweak certain attributes to Kiara just so she would find a wider and increasing fanbase.

>>46852083
I genuinely feel sorry for you and how wrong you are. Life must be really challenging for you.

>>46812863
I genuinely don’t understand why some people instinctively hate male vtubers. I get all the unicorn seethe and don’t care about that, male vtubers really don’t have to collab with female ones to still exist. It’s like some guys have forgotten that things can exists without being explicitly catered to them and get insanely threatened by the idea of anyone liking something where THEY aren’t the target audience.

All EN chuubas are trash

>>46852083
When anime becomes overwhelmingly unpopular, I think then you'll be right.

Irys is a overrated singer and her songs suck.
Bae and fauna are the most entertaining and have the best voices in holoen.
Irys new model is way to flashy and is a eyesore

>>46852193
Every time I accidentally watch dubbed anime I've been traumatized by listening to an anime man speaking his shitty English voice for the 0.5 seconds it took me to pull the power plug out of my computer and end it. You have to understand there's no positive association whatsoever when I see an anime man avatar. It could be Morgan fucking Freeman behind the male anime avatar and I'd still instinctively revile and revolt.

The only thing worse is a male English speaker behind a female anime avatar.

Watame should play more Minecraft.
They all should.

>>46852600
This honestly just makes you sound really, really pathetic, if it’s so easy to traumatize you that listening to a single second of another male speaking can do it. I would recommend therapy if it’s available in your country, because this is not a normal reaction.

>>46852663
All Minecraft streams should be replaced with Valheim.

Gawr Gura is the best streamer of all time.

>>46852193
It's a combination of projection because anons want to fuck the girls are therefore think all guys want to fuck the girls, and jealousy because anons will never make it

>>46812926
it's healthy for human beings to take a shit regularly. but not everyone wants to hear about how often i take a shit how it feels and how that shitting session from yesterday was so gpod my shit consistency etc on stream

This thread is full of sheltered anons, 4chan overall has had a much bigger amount of women posting then before. Especially since the 2016 election. This board in particular is so obviously full of women, stop treating every femanon who ousts themselves as if their some super rare commodity, they're like half the board.

>>46854585
niggas still be posting “post tits or GTFO” like the anon that just called them a worthless retard isn’t a girl behind the keyboard

>>46818203
I feel bad for yumes, since the BFE vtubers available all seem horrible