/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Hopefully they're waiting to assemble a gen as good as holox or nepolabo

>>46707751
Because they know it's their last shot. A shit EN3 could turn many away. A bad EN4 would end the branch. So they just want to delay the inevitable as much as possible

Tempus....

>>46707751
Sana had like 220k subs + no good applicants left.

>>46707905
In this climate? How? There’s no one good left. Face it, EN has fallen.

>>46707751
No gen 7 jp either, I think they are slowing down on purpose, better to focus on the growth first than expand with disorder à la Nijisanji with hit and miss.

they had a few euro girls for EN 3 including russian and ukrainians girls so things went sour and they hate each other now

Gen 3 members are already chosen, but they are taking one extra year of preparation by putting them in a vtubing career simulation in a virtual simulated YouTube where they have to constantly come up with stream and content ideas in order to test their limits and dedication to their future career while also polishing up their overall qualities. Cover had enough of having unmotivated talents that barely streams and also don't want another Sana situation.

>>46707751
They seriously, unironically thought that Tempus would fill the gap and generate the hype that a real EN3 would. If anything, it only emphasized just how little content HoloEN was getting, and killed the hype even more. They tried to copy a less successful company's business model and were shocked that they ended up being less successful.

>>46708390
this
yagoo is a retard, japs in general suck at marketing and think customers should be loyal to their favorite corp no matter what they do

it will be annonced July 2nd at the end of the EN concert

>>46707751
Cover is going to announce something at Connect the World. The reasonable answer would be EN3 but might be Tempus 3. Yagoo wants to see how far he can go with HoloPro unity and he seems to be testing out his ideas with the EN branch.

>>46707751
Tempus is EN3, people need to deal with it already. I'm not shitposting either, it is abundantly clear they believed Tempus would fill the role of EN3 and allow them to muscle in on the male vtuber market and eat up some of Luxiem's success.
Unfortunately for them and for us they greatly miscalculated. Any moron could've told you the audience for girl vtubers is a very different one compared to male vtubers but management seriously thought they could have Tempus fill the shoes and transplant the girls audience into the boys. Cover aren't so much afraid so much as they miscalculated.

>>46707751
1 MILLION SUBS FIRST

>>46707751
when someone on council get 1M they will consider it

>>46708164
>a-any day now!

>>46707751
Japs have been convinced that EN audience wants homos.

>>46707751
They are not afraid they are just Lazy

>>46709693
Who convinced them?

>>46709796
The EN audience.

>>46708884
>abundantly clear
They are clearly, CLEARLY delineated; this isn’t some form of illusion. The one thing that recent promotional art did show (above all the shitposting) was how this is apparent. It wasn’t — or has yet to be attempted in conversion — a symbolic piece about “unity”, and unless Omega has more sway than just being a hack-job staff member, that likely will never change.

>>46707751
I saw someone said the rules were that someone in the gen had to hit 1mil before they release a new one and its been living rent free in my head since. There is no way they would know that but it sounds reasonable.

>>46707905
Lol, lmao even

Most talented indie vtubers have been picked up by other corpos.

>>46707751
Why DO you want more Hololive people?

>>46709978
>but it sounds reasonable.

>>46710153
>streams

>>46710064
>talented
Do another donothon, Yuko.

>>46710153
More cute anime girls that actually stream would be nice

>>46710193
Why does that girl in particular cause so much seethe on this board? Like 100th time I've seen her randomly mentioned.

>>46710153
We delude ourselves into thinking that more stream would lead to less dead hours, but we really know it just means more overlap.

>>46710163
3,000 vtuber streamers and you narrowed it down to 50+ only because of strong brand recognition
>why does this smell like consuming goyslop
>inb4 "strong"

>>46709858
Who in the EN audience?

>>46707751
It's gonna be summer, July/August like it has been for Council and Tempus. I think they learned their lesson that dudes (most of their audience) don't want to watch other dudes as vtubers in general. Women want husbandos, and the women have gravitated towards Nijisanji. NijiEN beat them to the punch and the couldn't replicate that success.

>>46710297
Oh, don't mind me, I'm an small corpo chad after EN refused to stream.

>>46710064
>Most talented indie vtubers who are willing to work in corpos have been picked up by other corpos.*
FTFY

>>46709796
Reddit

>>46710353
Dudes was honestly a great choice, doubling down on the dudes was not.
>>46710412
>chad
>small corps
You'd be a indie watcher rather then settled for like 4-6th place if you were a real chad

>>46710153
There are ten members of Hololive English. During "EN primetime" (evening in NA) there are, at best, two or three of them streaming, and it was even worse during the Japan arc. If you're EU you only have Kiara and I guess Mori's late night streams sometimes. The limited choices, combined with the general feeling of stagnation, cause people to lose interest and look elsewhere. EN3 will not only mean more choices (hopefully including during EU hours) but could reinvigorate the talents and fans as new generations tend to do.

>>46710489
It's important to realize this. Unless they want their own Zaion or another mid gen, Hololive is inevitably gonna have to poach from other vtuber agencies.

>>46710064
Who says they have to be vtubers

>>46707751
Men > women
Tempus 3 coming soon

>>46710522
Indies are too unpredictable and vulnerable to menhera. /lig/ is a good solution you might say, but that's just numberfagging and numbers isn't always equal to quality, as per Council.

>>46708544
And they are. Holodrones aren't called that JUST to be baited.

>>46710718
I want this to happen just to this this board and the subreddit burn

>>46710636
They have to be vtubers, anon. Being a vtuber means they are familiar with the culture and audience.

>>46710833
not required, as long as the person is qilling to engage with the medium as a whole they'll do fine.
A recently converted normie is a gaming reaction content goldmine (like Subaru)

>>46710833
>Myth
>most of JP

>>46709130
>>46709495
who will get 1M first ? Irys ? Kronii ? Moom ?

>>46710833
Most Hololive members were not originally vtubers.

>>46710636
Because most people who were interested in transitioning to vtuber have already done it. Niji found the last few who hadn't. The rest are being slowly corrupted by Ironmouse.

>>46710993
>only Kiara and Ina did not have personas
>EN is like JP
Kiara because she was a former idol and Ina because she was a gacha artist.

The only way EN gets someone who isn't a vtuber would be someone with huge numbers.

>>46707751
Woah, hold your horses anon. We need AT LEAST 6 more gens of penis-havers before we can even CONSIDER getting more girls. Shame on you anon, wanting cute girls at a cgdct company. We're here to dismantle idol culture, and impress trannies on twitter, it's 2023.
Improve yourself.

>>46711046
mumei is going up pretty fast, so its most probably going to be her

>>46711183
Nijisanji is hololives filter so who cares

>>46708164
Holy
>>46710064
Cope

>>46711232
>>The only way EN gets someone who isn't a vtuber would be someone with huge numbers.
Perhaps now, yes. A persona =/= a vtuber, though. I don’t know how Cover views Council, but I’m sure Myth remains on the forefront of their thoughts, for better or for worse. The only way to know for sure is to see what happens with EN3.

>>46710833
You know absolutely nothing

>>46711183
>Niji found
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>46711489
Yeah but the more Niji takes, even if they get fired like Zaion, the less likely they'll be taken by Holo and the fewer options.

>>46711531
I want to hear who you think is worthy of the hololive brand.

Forget about incompetent management. The lack of viable candidates. Yadda yadda yadda. Those are bullshit excuses. The real reason they haven't debuted EN3 is because the girls themselves are against it. They'd be forced to stream to prevent the mass exodus of their paypigs. They're so fucking used to streaming once a week and still earn thousands of simp money. They want to keep that status quo. There's a reason the first advice Myth gave Council was to fucking "take it easy". If you want to blame someone for the lack of new EN members, blame the girls.

>>46711552
I'm frankly shocked a couple of recent Nijis went vtuber for them. They had big followings before and didn't seem like they needed it.

>>46711651
I don't know, I don't watch indies or small corpos, but if small corpos can get members, Holo can too, stop being so retarded

Gen 3 debuts this year

Can't find 5 hardworking English speaking women

>>46710718
i agree only because tempiss 2 managed to get someone like the clown while if EN 3 happened instead of that its just another meh gen like council or worse
they could try to get girls that aren't vtubers like myth but doubt its going to happen even for EN 5

>>46712019
I watch indies and small corpos. Holo can get members, no question. But prepare for another Kronii and Sana.

>>46712072
Other corpos don't have this problem. Why is it uniquely a HoloEN thing?

It's been apparent for.a while now that HoloEN 3 was simply not on their radar. Given they just put out a reminder for female applicants, I wouldn't expect anything until next fall or even later. Hell, HoloEN has fallen off so hard, how exactly would they even justify another EN Gen? Give up Anon...

>>46712320
The talents are handed their money on a silver platter, they can live comfortably for a long time with few streams and even fewer events.

>>46707751
EN is dying, so they don't want to funnel any more money into it. Tempiss was a mistake.

>>46712457
Seems like HoloEN is still consistently around the top for viewers in the English speaking internet. Don't see a whole lot of other EN chuubas getting 5view streams

>>46707751
Gen 3 was the homos. They don't want to divide hololive and holostars anymore

>>46712669
>>they don’t want to divide them anymore
>still clearly divided
Reality.

>>46712599
EN are mostly 4views now.

>>46707751
They are learning from their errors. HoloJP has a few Divas but even they bring in the money. Now look at HoloEN, just look at holoen they are all sick all the time poor girls.

It's not even the right time to expect it, but hey keep replying to bait. OP will just keep posting the same thread template, and then the same 40 IPs will reply the same exact thing like it matters.

>>46711674
The girls wouldn't have the power to prevent the release of EN3. Idols are seen as the lowest employees in an idol company and Cover views hololive talents in the same way. Mel's problems with her personal manager continued because that manager was moved to another talent until her lawyer got the police involved.

>>46707905
>holox
>good
lmao, 1 person carrying the entire gen doesn't make that gen suddenly good

>>46707751
Why are you so eager to dump your oshi for a shiny new toy? Was it all a lie?

>>46707751
No EN 3 because Yagoo knows you keep jacking off to their idols.

>>46712869
4view is basically at the top of the EN world. You can't name very many EN chuubas who average more viewers than Fauna, for example

>>46707751
EN3 will be announced in LA.

>>46707751
gen 5 you mean

>>46711674
This is actually the most likely theory sadly

If EN3 came around and it will i hope they will fucking die

I hope EN3 mog myth and Council (Fauna and kiara not included they are okay)

>>46707751
If they're announcing EN3 this year. It'll probably be at the concert this summer.

>>46710153
Because we’re bored of the current members and want new ones. What, you thought this was some taboo as fuck answer? There are several people in HoloEN who are still decent at delivering what their fans want, but Kiara, Fauna, irys, Bae, and Mumei (when she isn’t sick or stuck with irl stuff) alone do not a healthy branch make.

I've come to the expectation that it's never coming. They'll let the ones who really want Genmates to interact with rot and have to turn outward for EN collab streams and suck money from the popular ones who don't stream.

>>46711674
Good, fuck the ones who don't stream to keep their viewers and simps happy. They need to eat shit for being lazy and expecting free money.

>>46720010
It will happen. Next obvious time is before/during the HoloEN Connect thing.

>>46707751
Why are you so afraid to watch the males? You know you want to.

>>46707751
cause you and everyone else keep paying money for the girls who don't stream. Why bother hiring new talent when old talent makes money without trying?

>>46708390
Killed the golden goose, now they just don’t want to know how bad the damage is. Investors will not be happy with 3 flops in a row.

>>46720357
last rrat was Holofest, now holoconnect. what's next, anon ? Holocaust?

>>46710226
She was considered very likely to be in EN3 so the schizo-posters got an early start on her. She's popular enough that they can't let go.

>>46730863
Don’t forget that when she talked about applying to corpos, she specifically avoided saying that she applied to NijiEN or HoloEN while specifying whether she applied or not for all the others. So people also use her for rrats because they want to prove that large indies don’t want to join the big two corpos.

Didn't you know Yagoo's plan was to keep releasing Holostar Gens that are more and more effeminate until he can trick you into thinking they are CGDCT?

>Cucks the Holo EN concert from a larger venue in the MS Theater

>>46710153
Chumbuds are holding on to one last hope that EN3 has a new cunny that actually streams.

Never before I've a bunch of delusional anons with no evidence or basis. You just want drama for drama sake

>>46732218
Well One Piece is serious business

>>46708384
of course and YAGOO himself personally coded the simulation youtube game they play for training

>>46707751
Tempus is your EN3 and EN4. Why exactly must you have another EN group though? Are you bored of what we currently have? Then go somewhere else. Are you just wanting more "collabs"? There's a ton already, you just don't watch streams. Something about competing with other companies? Hololive is doing fine, why do they need to come out with 5 new groups every month like Ninjisanji?

tl;dr you don't really watch streams

At this point EN3 would make more sense as the lead up to a major push into the EN market. Like an EN3 with a girl with a noticeable spanish accent. Then debut 3 girls in HoloES (a half-puerto rican half-irish girl from albany, ny, a cuban-italian girl from miami and a girl who lives in Spain) and you've got wallah'd.

Believe 2 things- cover is expanding so therefore EN3 will happen, but also cover has no reason anymore to just shit them out entirely randomly.

>>46707751
Mythic snatched up all the promising indies
there's no one left

>>46710748
This isn't true though, gura struggles to hold 20k on minecraft nowadays when she'd easy get 30k a year ago and 50k a year before that. Hololive EN destroyed their own advantage by refusing to acknowledge some very basic rules like "don't pander to idolfags then rugpull the idolfags with homoshit" "don't hire bitches who can't help but make it known they hate their audience" "have bitches who actually stream and don't whine that playing videogames is too hard".

Their biggest flaw is that they do have girls who stream a lot- Kiara, Fauna, Bae, but german/vegan/australian all filter people. The most successful ones like kronii and gura get mad because getting rich off being a cartoon girl disproves their entire life philosophy that no one recognizes their true talent- they never wanted success, they just wanted to wallow. Then people like Mori and Ame actively blow up their own channels. Girls like IRyS and Mumei want to stream but get sick unironically because of bad management practices. Then there's fucking Ina and her retarded friend Sango. I feel like I'm forgetting someone.

>>46723638
What this indicates is that EN3 teasing caused a lot of interest an we see around december EN3 teasing again caused a rebound, but because this turned out to be Tempus HQ and VG all the people waiting for another wave of girls slowly began looking elsewhere. You see in March there's another pump, in September too. It's like a stock chart. People get hyped for some big new product and then it turns out to be the one that sells less and has a smaller audience. Yagoo is desperate for Vesper to not be a 3k tuber, but it looks like most of tempus is stuck in that 1-3k range, with special events giving them a big stream of up to 12k, before sinking back down. They're above the japanese holostars, who seem to be content to be 300 viewers except astel and roberu who have that comfy 1-3k range, but the fact is that hololive will never make holostars huge because of inertia- there was an abnormal event (2020) and a stolen election and a collapsing economy and we are still seeing the fallout. People are investing in bugout bunkers for the big boogaloo not donating to anime vampire man and clown man.

But anyway the people who wanted EN3 and the mythical EN4 aren't going to be interested in males.

>>46709910
But Omega's retardation is actively making everything worse for everyone. Even ximself.

>>46707905
Bingo

Also the vetting process for an IDOL is what matters most. I think thats what you fucking idiots are all forgetting in this case

>>46711674
thats a retarded take.

>>46707751
fear of failure

>>46736061
>>46736459
I ain’t reading all that

>>46707751
Because Gura doesn't ztream

>>46741226
I appreciate getting a (You) anyway.

>>46707905
EN management doesn't have some magic touch, the success in 2020 was because it was as easy as shooting fish in a barrel. Pomu, Pikamee, Nyanners, Milkyqueen and any other number of whores could have been picked up for Gen 1 of HoloEN and they'd be a success- yabs and all.

EN management has proven they are retarded and they are almost certainly overestimating their own capabilities based on a singularity in history that won't be repeated. They think they'll get quality girls just by existing and get a massive hit just by debuting.

>>46716219
Iroha is good because she's friends with Sora and Noel
Lui is good because all the drunks in hololive like Luna and Lamy are her pals
Koyori is good because she never sleeps more than 3 hours before continuing to stream
Sakamata is number 1 gfe gachikoi farmer now even if she's a little dumb, but not in a destructive way

La+ is the only one that keeps doing retarded shit.

>>46707751
why copy niji's downward ACCELERATE?

>>46707751
They ran out of decent people to hire. The well has run dry. All that’s left is whores that burp 20 times an hour.

>>46743550
False. Any idiot can play videogames

>>46710153
Only 6/10 talents stream for NA timezones, and they are all busy recording shit so they are at half or less power, outputting 2 streamers worth of content. Imagine of myth only had 2 members.

>>46743550
>whores that burp 20 times an hour.
Don't insult Ame anon.

>>46743550
There are many good indies left but most of them are big enough that they have no reason to join Hololive. Their own brand is more valuable, and Cover probably doesn't want another Mori.

>>46708164
Cover messed up by focusing on HoloStars EN over EN3. Whatever open auditions for EN3 last year was proven to be a fraud. Reminder, we missed out on talented Vtubers joining Hololive like Ren Penrose who would've blown up in popularity.

>>46711674
Now I want EN 3 more than ever because then that means the girls from Myth and Council will treat those who remain loyal with more attention.

>>46744138
Cover was too focused on Council "not doing as well as they expected" and seems to have forgetten that Omegatranny fucked up big time and they should still make an EN3.

>EN3 is still going to happen and it will be the worst gen ever.
Grim.

>Coco keeps pushing for HoloEN so Yagoo puts her and Omega in charge of recruiting Myth
>Myth debuts and is a huge success
>Taiwan yab happens so Omega blocks Coco from collabing with EN in order to fuck her over
>Coco quits and Omega tries to take all the credit for Myth success
>Omega enlists Ame to help with recruiting and training new talents
>Irys and Council underperform, exposing Omega as a hack
>Omega gets fired for being a sex creep towards either one of the girls or other managers
>Yagoo begs Coco to return and help with EN, she considers it but refuses after the Rushia yab
>The other managers take over the Omega persona
>Ame plays a direct hand in hiring Tempus, ensuring only massive faggots get recruited
>Mori pushes for homo collabs first to cover for Ame, who is personally invested in their success
>Tempus Uno is a partial success so Tempus Dos is fast tracked since they already have two picks locked-in
>Ame and EN management are overworked so there is no time for EN3
>meanwhile Nijisanji and Idol pick a lot of solid candidates that are known as Hololive fans

>>46707751
After Sana? Lemao. They're bumping up their applications.

Just go watch niji if you want vtubers being shat out left and right like the disposable trash that they are.

>>46711674
Fauna talked about wanting en3 kouhai, even though a few people were saying tempus was their kouhai in chat

>>46746136
Go back. I've only seen that take on twitter

>>46711674
Fauna said she wanted to get kouhai (tempiss doesn't count)

>>46746793
She didn't want it enough kekw.

The reason Gura stopped streaming is because she's fighting with management. They leaked that they're investing all of the EN3 budget on hiring cookieswirlc, and she's afraid of losing her #1 spot.

>>46735509
If Cover listed to your retardation when JP was growing we would NEVER have an EN branch.

>>46742985
Because it's not ACCELERATE if it's taking 18 months to debut a new gen? Why you faggots still insist in this retarded false dichotomy?

>>46708270
This

>>46708270
JP has 35 members already and are not in dire need of new blood. It makes sense for the largest branch to slow down and maybe take almost 2 years for a new gen, it doesn't makes sense for one of their smallest and still most popular branches to have a god forsaken waiting time for new members when ID WILL get more members later this year and StarsEN got 8 people faster than EN got a new member back in 2021.

EN3 hort
please andastand

>>46736459
No it was was rising until they announced Tempiss auditions, then it rebounded because of HoloFes. All gains were then wiped out by debuting the faggots right afterwards, and has been steadily declining ever since.

>>46750227
Forgot the image.

>>46750227
>>46750273
The first time they shilled the StarsEN auditions was in late February/early March, so that didn't have any impact on HoloEN's viewership. Then they had a valley between HoloFes and July, but fucking plummeted after Tempus debut that was also coupled with another auditions shilling exclusively for the male branch.

>>46745032
Ame has known Loserbait/Omegatroon/Altroon since before Hololive. He desperately wanted to be a vtuber and tried to use Council’s debut to force his way in, that failed so he created Tempiss and made himself the leader.
https://streamable.com/lpvbje

>>46750401
Look at the 2 peaks and falls, the first was in March and the second was right after Tempiss debuted, the dates are at the bottom. The dates match up perfectly.

>>46750486
The audition announcement.

>>46750273
Your own chart literally shows that myth CCV was high in july and council ccv was high in september.

>>46750486
>>46750520
The drop in March started on the week after HoloFes. The auditions shilling was in March 4th, as your image shows, and by then HoloEN was experiencing an increasing in average viewership, so that didn't have any effect because literally no one thought at the time that Cover was straight up ignoring the HoloEN auditions in favor of StarsEN, and the consensus everywhere in this board was that the situation of the male auditions was dire and they were doing anything to not bleed more potential candidates to NijiEN after Luxiem and Noctyx. Even Yagoo shilled the auditions barely a month after that.

>>46707751
>One actual graduation
>Three soft graduation
A mystery for the ages...

>>46750798
HoloFes 3 happened, but then Mori collabed with Tempiss killing Myth’s growth followed by Ame. Then Kronii did as well killing Council’s average since she was the most popular then. The only upside is that it also killed the NijiFags in the process.

>>46751706
The lesson is the more of your Gen that collabs with Tempiss the worse your average is.
>Mori & Ame sunk Myth
>Kronii sunk Council
No one cares about Bae because her CCV is shit to begin, with because she has always been a Homococksleeve.

>>46751876
typo
>begin with,
not
>begin, with

>>46736061
>vegan all filter people
She never talks about it on stream unless someone asks directly. Why would anyone be filtered by this?
Fauna's big filter is zoomers who can't understand her references.

>>46745032
>meanwhile Nijisanji and Idol pick a lot of solid candidates that are known as Hololive fans
lol.

>>46707751
Troon en management didn't want them to overshadow fucking tempus2 of all things until January & now Jp management is trying to understand the en manag problems, deal with the girls and fix them before releasing a current-state timebomb of a new gen

>>46743766
Dude, only kiara streams in EU timezone, and just once or twice a week.

In Eu primetime (7pm to 1am) we often have ZERO holo streams, ZERO.

The most we get is... those luna and watame long late streams.
All the real holofans in europe are people able to see jp at lunch, that's it.

Because by now all the good indies have either grown enough to not see much benefit from joining a japanese corpo, or have already been scooped up by someone else

>>46707751
Luxiem made them falll for the male vtuber fad

>>46755191
A shame, really. HoloEN was the first time Cover did something that wasn't just copying Anycolor and they were doing so well, but they had to be greedy and want a piece of every pie. The worst part is that they didn't need to bet all of it on StarsEN and still debut EN3 in 2022 and I'm willing to say the guys wouldn't be less successful than they are right now, but Cover really thought they would be able to sell male vtubers to an audience that doesn't care about them.

>>46755191
it was pure greed
they saw how much money a few male vtubers were making and wanted to cash in
instead of sticking to their base they added the disgusting penis havers

>>46707751
we have tempiss
/thread

>>46707751
they're terrified of another gura blowing up and putting JP sub numbers to shame again

>>46736530
You mean the vetting process that let in depressed kronii and originally anti idol mori. Ame and fauna who can’t sing and dance. The vetting process that found 8 boys under a year but couldn’t find 5 girls in approaching 2 years. Ever think that they just haven’t been looking

>>46756683
But they're fine with Kobo when they just had auditions for ID4?

>>46756846
It's 1000% obvious that Cover wasn't looking for new HoloEN members during the entirety of 2022, otherwise they wouldn't have shilled the StarsEN auditions 3 times, twice close to the debut of both gens. This simple fact completely debunks any of the "they couldn't find anyone decent enough" theories.

>>46707751
July

>>46708164
>There’s no one good left
that's SUPPOSED to be the good thing about Hololive, grabbing talented yet absolutely unknown people and giving them a chance to shine, especially non chuubas.

>>46707751
They bought into Luxiem hard. People forget but shu applied to holoen before or same time as luxiem and they told them they’re only looking for girls. Which means up until I think March 2022 they were searching for only girls. Tempus had 6 people in June 3 months out from them saying they’re looking males as well. Found 2 more sometime October November and delayed them till January.

They genuinely weren’t looking for girls and probably think of them as EN 3/4.
>Reminder they sent out another tweet in December that they’re still auditioning men.
>First time bringing up that they are still looking for girls was February this year and it was a joint that they’re doing both couldn’t even give a solo.

If they do a rush job like tempus earliest is still next month if it’s by regular standards july or October. Realistically Tempus3 before En3

>>46756851
kobo hasn't surpassed their biggest yet (marine and pekora) meanwhile gura straight up doubled the subs of those two

>>46708087
sana was boring as hell and never streamed

>>46736459
>slipping /pol/ bullshit in at the end
Go back.

>>46707751
T3mpus

>>46710242
Overlap is fine if the streams they're overlapping are minecraft and other such bullshit

>>46757446
>Realistically Tempus3 before En3
There's no fucking way they will let StarsEN get bigger than HoloEN. It would be absolutely insanity and if Tempus 2 was already somewhat controversial people will be much louder if that happens.

>>46757954
EN management can make tempiss 100 members strong and all of them will still be in the 2k or less ccv range

They're unable to find 5 talents who are 1. Talented and 2. Able to pretend they are not repulsed by their audience for 10 hours a week.

>>46757954
Sunk cost fallacy, have they already lost so many viewers that it’s worth it to just keep rolling the HomoDice hoping to get a ‘Guy Gura’

>>46757954
Sunk cost fallacy, have they already lost so many viewers that is it somehow worth it to just keep rolling the HomoDice hoping to get a ‘Guy Gura’.

>>46755716
I honestly think they'd be more successful. I don't watch the guys much because I know Cover would probably see it as a sign to go for Tempus 3 instead of the girls.

>>46758382
>that it is somehow
Fucking typos

>>46758159
I don't doubt that, but even after pre-emptively locking down the sub people were still able to complain about Tempus 2 because it wasn't just /vt/ shitposters who don't like the absurd wait for EN3, not to mention it was close to Watson's birthday and it made her fans pissed that they couldn't talk about it. A Tempus 3 before EN3 might make even the biggest defenders of StarsEN ask what the fuck is wrong with Cover by delaying a new HoloEN gen for so fucking long.

>>46758238
For you >>46757018. If they were having problems finding 5 girls they would shill the auditions as much as possible like they did with the homos, but they didn't. I wonder why?

>>46758382
That's retarded even for Cover.

>>46758445
They did end up as their most successful male group overall, but more than half of them aren't much better than the JP branch and it still not an excuse to spend an entire year lying that they were looking for both female and male candidates just to ignore anyone who didn't have a dick bewteen their legs.

>>46707751
The talent pool dried and the ones left fill niches that can't be done by corpo vtubers like classic games and reaction content

What I want to know is who the fuck thought making Omega as a vehicle to introduce Tempus was a good idea.

The Council girls obviously felt like he was shoehorned in and did nothing of value for months until he pissed off for a while, and the randomly comes back to introduce the guys. If they wanted to create some enigmatic personality who would somehow generate hype for people, they utterly fucking failed.

>>46707751
Have you seen Council and the current state of Myth?

>>46707905
All good indies are getting poached by other corps.

>>46758159
It's so funny that Selen is saving tempiss now.

Who the fuck cares about casuals wanting more EN. What we actually want is the shichisei.

>>46760637
You can tell management really had their head up their own collective ass about maybe making Omega the EN version as A-chan and then immediately walked that back when they realize the amount of hate a clearly male assistant would get for an all-girls branch.

Holos are already saturated. Hold the line and invest in the existing ones.

>>46760637
Come on, anon, we all know who came up that idea. It was Omega himself. They didn’t object to it beforehand because hindsight is 20/20. I’m sure he proposed the idea in a way that didn’t make fully apparent just how much of a chuuni attention-whoring pest he would be in such an insignificant role.
And by the time it was apparent nobody cared about his vtweeting, larping ass, it was too late to just kill off the character, so they probably did some light tardwrangling (you know, the JP way of “suggesting” things where you’ll have lots of trouble to deal with down the line if you don’t cooperate) to keep him from tweeting except every so often when Tempus is involved.

>>46761041
EN3 is still lacking in many areas. They really need at least one girl actually good at games.

>>46760881
>saving
>when bettel and others make all that money and get all those mem/gift mem without her
Nah, Tempus minus Flayon is pulling weight just fine

>>46758657
They are arguably the most successful male group.* This is solely based on youtube numbers and only ccv at that since some of their vods don’t beat regular stars and as far as merch goes it’s even with some of them not selling as well as current stars. The only real leg up is sc but those always shrink after a year which every star member is already passed and it’s small considering what girls get their first year let alone 3 months. Tempus is most successful for themselves but it doesn’t look as if they’re bringing the company more revenue than regular stars. All while tempus is the most shilled non jp branch and maybe only second most behind holox. Then there’s stars who have missed studio time while the girls have. They are all a waste

>>46761041
Force them to stream at EU times then, I'm not exactly keen on being stuck with Kiara

>>46761041
Some people want new ones because they still want to enjoy hololive but are disillusioned with their current oshi. Others want a sidekick talking about how amazing their oshi is. Very few chumbuds dislike fauna though on the other end irystocrats hate bae and mori more than liking them

Whoever they hire will be a nijisanji/vshojo fag or a homo whore.
If that doesn't happen they'll most likely decline to kiara levels of ccv anyway

>>46761470
>tempus is the most shilled non jp branch and maybe only second most behind holox
They got stuff earlier than Holox like both gens having a debut orisong, and if they lived in Japan I bet they would have 3D by now. They're by far the most pushed gen proportional to their size, to the point they even tried to push Tempus 2 to Japanese audiences by debuting then around afternoon JST on a fucking Sunday, the time a bunch of Holomem like to use to stream long rpgs but couldn't because of the new stream ban during debuts/3D debuts rule. Shit's fucking insane.

>>46707751
If they are delaying it, it's probably again because the favoritism toward the faggots. When they debuted tempiss2 the audience didn't grow, it just grow more divised than ever. Since they all skiped the collab ban due to "popular demand"" most of them don't have a proper fanbase, only a very few paypigs (who may or may not be company hires BTW, seeing the unatural all must be member campain in their streams). New EN members will quite litteraly deprive them of a good chunk of their audience and they would rather let the whole EN branch die than understand hololive watcher don't watch males. Probably because it will show them that fag are just a minority and if you combine it with fag who watch Vtuber you are in a niche of a niche of a niche.

>>46707751
the 3rd gen is always their "golden boy" as shown by ID and JP which may or may not be taking a lot of time on
either that or there's not enough chuubas that can "fit" with their initial models like chloe and lui's prototypes which sadly got canned

>>46707751
Silly nijifag, not everyone centers their business model on spamming as many talents as they can in hopes of getting one (1) success.

>>46762005
>New EN members will quite litteraly deprive them of a good chunk of their audience
Actually, not really. The homos managed to find a small but faithful audience and you can see them keep around the same viewership even when they're overlapping with the girls and only really grow when they get raids from the other guys, and their viewers don't increase when they're the only EN members streaming. They proved that even if there are more people in the west willing to give them a try they'll still lose to Hololive and if an EN3 debuted last year they wouldn't be doing much worse than they are right now.

>>46762681
And here comes the beggar with the false dichotomy.

>>46761875
Actually you’re right i forget that they’re still not a year old. They got all this in less time with a fourth of the debut. Chloe made as much to more on her monetization stream than of these guys have made in their entire stars career

>>46762862
Actually wrong it’s not much but each of them have a very small percentage of the girls fans that funnel into them after a stream ends. For the girls its not noticeable but it is a bump for them. Except gura which is actually funny because any stream at or above 40k literally funnels into everyone including nijien. Selen, rosemi and someone else got a funnel during gura’s 3D live and 2 different karaokes

>>46762681
Then why did they release 2 male branches 6 months apart homobeggar

>>46763294
They might get a bump but it's barely noticeable and doesn't help the less popular ones get out of the 3view hell, to the point that Axel and Altare are getting a bigger boost from Selen's audience than they ever got from Hololive.

>>46710297
i am not going to watch your shit indie or your nijifags thots.

>>46710718
they already shot themselves in the foot, tempus 3 will be them shooting themselves in the head. even casuals who don't mind homo will be pissed off, already happened with tempus 2.

>>46710759
k nijifag. doesn't make your oshi get unfucked.

>>46754512
I agree, EN3 should have two EU timezone streamers and three NA timezone streamers. There are way too many JP timezone EN streamers, only Australia and English speaking people living in japan are their market, 3 will meet that quota very well.

>>46707751
What's their incentive? They're doing completely fine with things as they are right now.

>>46764706
More money

>>46736459
Trump lost

>>46764706
What's the incentive for ID4 then?

>>46707751
I assume that they either had some issues with getting talents like them dropping out or not the quality they wanted or they just decided to focus on improving the EN brand first with 3D and concerts. I can't imagine they will go too much longer without another gen, latest I can see is just after the EN concert. My hope is they debut talents about a month before the concert, farm money and unity with the new talents watching the concert and gushing about their EN oshi, and then begin collabs after. I was hoping they would have done that with Fes and they didn't though, so I don't have hopes.

>>46766367
If any of that happened they would be shilling the auditions to quickly get more members, like they did 3 times with StarsEN. I'm tired of repeating the same thing, but if this isn't a clear indication that they just weren't interested in even paying attention to the auditions during 2022 I don't know what is. Also debuting a month after the concert would be a terrible idea because August and September are a hellscape of birthdays and anniversaries. Early July would end up being close to Kiara's birthday and IRyS debut anniversary, but announcing them during the concert and waiting for more than a couple of days for their debut would be worse than not announcing anything. The perfect window for an EN3 is before the concert, preferably in May at the latest so they can collab with their senpai in June to hype up the concert and do a watchalong for it.

>>46709796
the EN audience

>>46768062
>EN
Yeah, a bunch of chinks. He's also suffering from dead subs, so good for him?

>>46768172
still, his growth was used as proof enough for Cover to think there was a place in the HoloPro sphere for HolostarsEN

>>46768319
Sure, but it was still misguided to ignore HoloEN's growth for an entire year to barely scratch Vox's success that's already dwindling.

>>46764483
Watch EN3 be another group of Americans/Canadians/Aussies.

>>46760637
My rrat is that Cover is bad at gauging western sentiments about things, and they know it. So they delegated that responsibility to Omega himself. That's how Cover management gets fed absolute bullshit like "western fans love deep serious extended character lore", it's just Omega telling them things he personally likes and claiming all western fans are like him.

>>46773088
Highly likely that this is true, not to mention if we believe that Omega was there since the founding of the branch he was probably deeply trusted by the JP offices to do whatever he wanted considering the explosive success of Myth, but said success got over his head to the point that he thought he needed to innovate with the next gens but pathetically failed to do so and now HoloEN is the Hololive branch with the longest wait between gens and can possibly end up having the longest wait out of all of HoloPro. Uproar's record is 23 months to the day, so what's 4 more months to those who already waited almost 20?

>>46773088
>Omega
Does this fuck still exist?

>>46707751

while it's changed a lot from years past, Holo still tends to pick people who will actually work out as streamers, and they get an unfathomable amount of auditions. It's literally the major leagues of vtubing.

I don't think people realize how time consuming it is to go through hours of history from every person who auditions trying to find good entertainers. Other companies would just pull based on numbers, but there's so many big streamers who are only that big because of various types of nepotism or luck. Holo seems to be good at finding actual talent regardless of size.

Plus and more importantly there's just not a fucking need. They already have enough people making more content than is even consumable. The plane is full, the seats are all booked.

By the end of the year Mumei will likely have 1.2 million subs, Kronii around 900k and the other two around 850k. So EN3 "should" happen early next year, if management isn't totally retarded (doubtful).

>>46768319

I mean, his growth was a voice a certain demographic loves. If cover wanted to mimic it they'd just hire any rando streamer with that accent. He's also massive behind the scenes trouble which niji is fine with apparently, but that wouldn't fly with a company like Cover based on how they portray themselves.
Doing StarsEN has always been a thing cover wanted to do. It's just that male talent in the vtuber market is tiny compared to the millions of woman streamers who can make the same content for 10x the payoff.

>>46707751
Carefully picking new Guild Members

>>46772683
Stop hiring Australians

>>46768775
Yagoo has always wanted holostars to be popular and he may have used Vox to justify delaying EN3 to promote 2 or 3 gens of Tempus. Some of the managers probably knew that wasn't going to happen without the Chinese market. Japan has a strict hierarchy though and employees would never dream of telling the CEO that he is wrong.

>>46775734
>They already have enough people making more content than is even consumable.
When 3-4 people are inconsistent or on break for extended periods of time of a 10 person group, that's losing almost half your available streaming resources especially if some of those resources cover certain timezones. JP doesn't have to worry about it because they all share the same timezone and JP fans generally know the usual windows most of the girls have regardless of the time of day, likewise for ID as well.

If Kiara has take a break or something, well congrats you have no one on the EN side covering between 7 AM to 3 PM PST for EN during the week. And you're lucky if maybe 2-3% of people who normally watch Hololive give a Stars a chance, but most fans don't mix oil and water like that.

>>46777479

That's true but it's also an issue they could solve in a second without needing to onboard even more people.
When your career is streaming, timezones are barely relevant. Any of them could just swap to streaming at any hour of the day and swap their schedule around.

>>46777573
That's implying that most of them stream regularly.

>>46775734
EN is filled with dead hours, EN3 is sorely needed.

>>46777573
>Make $1200 if you stream from 7 PM to 11 PM because there are 12,000 people watching
>Only make $300 if you stream from 7 AM to 11 AM because there are only 3000 people available to watch

It's not rocket science why most of the girls stick to certain blocks of time, and in Kiara's case she had to build up KFP over a long-ass time to make it viable for her given the recent time rift between her and a good core of her audience.

>>46775734
NINE. TEEN. FUCKING. MONTHS. And very soon to be 20. If they can't get 5 girls in this time then fucking shill the auditions, but the didn't do that FOR SOME FUCKING REASON. Now explain to me why it's reasonable to believe they weren't able to get a new gen ready in that time when they did 7 JP gens, 3 (soon to 4) ID gens, 2 EN gens plus a Vsinger, 3 Stars gens (not counting Uproar here) and 2 StarsEN gens in much less time? Come one, please elucidate me why I should not think that Cover is massively incompetent and also a bunch of fucking liars for ignoring anyone who put "Hololive" in their auditions form for over a year?

>>46777949

this isn't capitalism usa
the goal is not constant unsustainable growth until the company swallows itself

>>46775382
Yeah, he became Altaer

>>46778061
>wanting more of a product after not getting new products for almost 2 years is unsustainable

>>46778155

it's almost funny to me how easy it is to spot americans online based on this mindset lol
man is out here buying a new car every two years just because he hasn't bought a new car in two years, and for no other reason

>>46778155
We’re supposed to pretend that HolostarsEN was the intended pill that we all have to swallow. Instead of the wasted time it was for a majority of the viewerbase.

>>46778061
And here go with the false dichotomy once again. Yeah, sure, let EN rot with only 10 members when half of them are almost always on break/sick/hiatus/MIA. If they had this same mentality when it was only JP Hololive wouldn't be 10% of what it is today, but they didn't hear retards like you and grew the branch at a sustainable rate and now they can take it easy with their main branch because it reached a good number where it's almost impossible to have 50% of the members out of commission due to it's size. Also having one gen per year isn't fucking unsustainable, you wannabe /biz/tard.

>>46778330
Cover internchama, you're not making a very strong case here if that's the sort of strawman you're building up for yourself.

>>46778551

i made the mistake of triggering the americans and now they're mad beyond logic
if it were up to half of you in here, HoloEN would have 7 generations that all stream within a four hour block all pulling a massive 300 viewers.

>>46778551
I think we should force graduate 90% of all the talents to enforce a more environmentally friendly and viewer sustainable corporative Vtubing experience. After all, less is more. Amirite, guys!?!?

>>46778651
Dude is it only ACCELERATE or no gens for 2 years for you? JP had 28 members in the same time span that it took EN to debut 11. Literally NO ONE here is asking for Niji-like debuts, we just wanted EN3 back in 2022. Why you're so insistent in this false dichotomy?

>>46778651
$5 says the fact he keeps bringing up Americans unprompted is because he's got /pol/ brainrot.

>>46778774
He’s having a disingenuous retard moment. The only point to his post was to trigger Americans.

>>46773088
This reminds me when Mario 2 was to be released but the litterally one western guy they had in the arcade warehouse didn't like it so they modded a game to be a western Mario bros

Didn't the ipo say they literally don't have the money for more gens and needed investors?
They're not fucking Anycolor.

>>46779487
sorry gaijin-kun we spend all the money on holo-aasu so we cannot afford 25000 dollars for 5 avatars

>>46778922
He's only succeeding at looking like a complete retard.

>>46779487
But they're fine with hiring 8 StarsEN members and 3 more ID, right? And you can shove the "they're cheaper" excuse down your throat because I fucking doubt it's more expensive to get 5 female models commissioned and rigged than 8 male models, a bunch from really high profile artists.

>>46779487

if it's genuinely a money issue then they must be taking almost nothing as a cut from their talents. which is fucking incredible for the talents but iffy for the company. they spend a TON on the concerts and songs, and I get making the environment as good as possible for the people who literally make the company what it is, but if true they need to take just a bit more of a cut. You should not have to rely on investors ever as a company that has people pulling in 6 figures a month, even if it's not all of them.

>>46777949
>Be Cover, a Japanese company with expectations for dedicated, loyal and trustworthy talents
>Debut 6 girls in 2 months
>They severely underperform compared to their predecessors (Myth)
>Your main competitor discovers untapped market and releases Luxiem
>Luxiem is printing money by completely outperforming all EN girls and directly competing with your top JP girl talents in terms of generated revenue
>Deploy new HoloID as planned
>Success
>Deploy HomoJP as planned
>Fail
>Dame da...Make HomoEN release plans because NijiEN keeps shitting out new homos
>Get 6 Tempus members, but decide to debut 4 due to <reasons>
>Not as good as Luxiem, but a significant upgrade in terms of SC and CCV from HomoJP
>One of your EN bitches decides to waste once in a lifetime opportunity and graduates less than 1 year in
>Manjisanji keeps on printing fujo money
>Deploy clown man
>Clown gets hundreds of memberships gifted on many of his streams from his top supporters, who are also his top superchatters in EUR and USD, so no monopoly money. Other members, while not exactly money printers, still put in the effort and have already paid off
>Half of your EN bitches are not streaming because they don't feel like it
>You're left with a choice to either roll the dice with women again or play it safe with homos
I'm sure you'll get your HoloEN3 anon, but don't be surprised if you also get HomoEN3 in 2023 because judging from overall HomoEN revenue, I'd say they paid off and from now on they're on a separate path from EN girls. We also know they have their own content director/producer and their own managers, so at this point it seems like the only thing tying them to HoloEN is shared holopro twitter account. Fungus Covid was right when he said that Council didn't do as well as they (Cover) expected, or otherwise we'd have EN3 by now. You can't really blame Cover by trying their luck with men, especially not after when they saw how Nijisanji was gobbling up an untapped market.

>>46768172
About 1/3 of Luxiem fanbase are CN.

Just give up EN3 is completely fucked. Everyone decent is already in smaller corps or successful as indie. You will get VshojoJP full gen and multiple Phase/Idol gens before EN3.

>>46780459
I'm blaming Cover for being retards and putting all their eggs on the same basket in 2022 and early 2023. Also fuck off with the "underperforming" bullshit when Council also took way too long to debut and came after all of Myth had reached 1 million subs and were teased by that month long lore bullshit that only that faggot vtweeter gives a shit, so it was basically impossible for them to meet any expectation anyone put on them. Also Noctyx came after the sucess of Luxiem and they're doing worse than Council, so shove that bullshit down your ass.

>>46780459
Seriously NijiEN is making shitloads of money they are 30% of entire Anykara revenue, trying to get that money too is not surprising at all. And now EN homos keep collabing with Nijis too.

>>46707751
maybe they just don't want to keep adding talents to the same old branches, and are instead interested in creating new branches

>>46775734
>to go through hours of history from every person who auditions trying to find good entertainers.
You really think they do this? No, they just look at the audition tapes and numberfag the channels and pick someone who fits their pre-made character.

>>46781032
Is HoloEN even making good money? I wouldn't be surprised if StarsEN is doing better.

>>46781118
Myth used to but who the fuck knows how it's going now. Mori's music is no longer popular and Gura barely does anything.

>>46780459
Your data is a bit outdated Luxiem is no longer overshadowing rest of Nijis, Scarle or Hex are now matching Vox in SC numbers and many girls pull way better numbers in general while Luxiem declined. Their EN branch still makes crazy money but it's not all Luxiem fujos anymore.

>>46781118
The still sell out of some merch

>>46780054
It's not a money issue, it's a personnel issue. For example, that's why there's a waiting queue for personal projects in the studio: the studio itself is not 100% occupied, but there's only so many people working on the directing, rendering and cutting. That's also the reason why Kanauru is hired all the time, not just for EN projects but JP and ID ones as well.
We know that the EN department is understaffed since everyone runs to Jenma whenever they need something done and Cover has been constantly hiring new staff members for EN as well. The thing is, instead of doing the logical thing and making a new HQ outside of Japan (likely in the States or possibly Canada) where they can work properly, one of the prerequisites of getting hired is living in Japan, which severely limits the possible candidates.
In fact, I'd wager this is why EN3 is delayed: Cover has ben lacking the framework for a new gen, especially one that needs to be fanfared as much as HoloX was in their first year.

>>46781118
Probably not as much, but a big amount of cover's income is merch, so slapping gura's face on something is probably still selling like hotcakes even if gura is hardly streaming. That's why their current goal is to make western merch not retardedly expensive

>>46710153
I'm bored of the current members and want some shiny new ones
No interest in male vtubers either despite how hard Cover wants to cram them down my throat

>>46780898
>impossible for them to meet any expectation anyone put on them
Maybe, but have in mind that all of them had/has an opportunity to leech from Gura, the most subbed member in the company and 2nd in the world, and a lot of successful JPs as well. Despite all that, not one of them has hit 1M subs. They were the 2nd most anticipated EN group in vtubing history, and they're in a company that has the most successful female talents in the world. Even if their debut was delayed too much, you can't deny that they had everything laid out for them.
>Also Noctyx came after the sucess of Luxiem and they're doing worse than Council
At that point it didn't matter. Cover saw that there was a market they could get into and HomoEN was most likely already in the works.

>>46781322

the fact that if you start typing vox akuma into google it autofills with his past life being that of a pedophile groomer must have finally done a number on their growth
good thing all the CN fans can't read that lol

>>46757395
Cover no longer has that luxury of betting it on a bunch of unknowns anymore. They may still be the most popular Corpo, but with indies and small corpos finding success, Cover really needs a slam dunk of a group otherwise their potential new audiences will continue to dwindle. Plus depending on the business plan for EN will also affect how they plan on hiring: will they focus more on streamers as EN has seen a significant drop in hours by EN or will they go more idol activity focused as EN (and ID) can go to Japan more freely. No matter, Cover is in a tight spot

>>46781766
He's still swimming in money it's just that rest is catching up.

>>46781777
You can find some raw talent in audition tapes that is unrealized by numbers. That's how they got Bae.
However, raw talent doesn't always mesh well with vtubing, like with Kronii.

Honestly, something they need are good singers cause god knows only Gura, Bae, and Cali are the only ones who know how to sing. Mumei doesn't have the same charisma so she doesn't really count.

>>46781413
And they have enough people for StarsEN? And before you mention it I know they put out hiring notices for the branch in early to mid 2022, but why not make the same for HoloEN? If they lack enough people to manage the branch why they're not doing anything to deal with it? This always comes back to same exact question of why they pushed so hard for StarsEN while seemingly ignoring HoloEN and there's still no good answer for this outside of "Council underperformed" or "it was important to focus 110% of their attention on a male branch", to the point that it makes no sense to do open auditions when any girl sending their forms was completely ignored in favor of guys.

>>46781660
Oh yeah, because attaching themselves to a popular member like a bunch of lampreys is exactly what they want to do, not to mention leeching from JPs is useless because it would require them to stream completely outside of their timezones and excluding Mori early on 2 or the other 3 bilinguals ended up as the runts of their gens (and Mori is ironically on the same level of Kiara now in terms of ccv). Maybe if Council debuted like 3 or 4 months earlier they wouldn't have this problem. Maybe if an EN3 debuted a long time ago we would see interest in the branch reignited because it would probably encourage all members to be active so they can collab with their kouhai. Subs is a complete fucking gamble and there's no real recipe to get them fast, not to mention they're useless when you have a bunch of them but they barely consume your content, and Council also had their subs culled 3 times in the span of a week so who knows how much that fucked up with their growth.

>>46781777
>They may still be the most popular Corpo

They are not. They have bigger numbers per streamer but looking at entire corps Niji beats them and Vshojo is very close. Hell NijiEN makes about 50% as much money as entire Cover.

>>46777573
>swap your schedule around
can't do that, they have to attend meetings with certain managers that are in JP, meaning they always have to be up in JP morning hours for that iirc

>>46707751
They usually debut a new gen when the current one reaches 1 million. Irys is getting close, if they want to consider her part of Council(rys)

>>46764458
No one even mentioned niji you obsessed pea-brained child.

>>46782173
>like a bunch of lampreys is exactly what they want to do
Yes, that's exactly what they should do. HoloX has no problems collabing with everyone, especially with high CCV members. That's the whole point of being in a company: you share your audience and help each other grow. You know what Koyori said at the end of 2021? She acknowledged that her subs were low(er) when compared to her genmates and she has publicly announced that she'll work harder. And she did. Streamed a lot, organized group collabs, tried to make more connections within the company and so on. Lui did similar things as well. La+ declined hard due to various reasons, but the last month she's been streaming mostly daily trying to catch up. What did Council do? I understand that JP collabs do not give a lot of merit to them, but they don't even bother doing anything special with EN girls aside from random corpo mandated collabs every few months. Not one of them bothered to walk an extra mile. How come some random jew company can pop up, spam shorts and get 1k+ CCV member in a short amount of time while gaining subs at a steady rate? Council girls can't do that? Just face the facts that they're lazy fucks who are happy with the easy money they get, and they have no drive to grow their channels. Sure, they stream (sometimes), but so does a bazillion other streamers. What sets them apart? Nothing. No innovation. No motivation. Just stagnation.

>>46783453
Council is streaming more than Myth nowadays and while I agree they should be organizing more stuff it's not easy when they're scattered around god knows how many timezones AND THERE'S ONLY 10 OF THEM. Holox debuted to 30 senpai (31 if you count Rushia), while Council only had 6 other members in EN and there's only so much they can do with 10 (then 11) of them with wildly varying schedules due to geographic separation, but they did try stuff with the whole branch like the MC portal construction arc which gave us some of the best EN interactions to this day. You seem to have forgotten that back in the day HoloJP also didn't had many members for this cross pollination of audiences and had to collab with indies or vtubers from other agencies, but nowadays they don't need it as much because unlike with EN Cover grew JP to a stable size. By Myth's debut there were 32 JP members while by this rate we'll only reach 20 EN members in 2026 if we're lucky. Also waiting until one of them reach 1 million or whatever excuse people are creating right now is more of a torture to the audience than the members themselves, because they're pretty much set and can just coast by doing the bare minimum, but it's the fans who are getting the short end of the stick when half of them don't stream and Cover is more interested in shoving a bunch of guys down the throats of an audience who couldn't give less of a fuck about them.

Roru
Rumao even
Just watch JP, EN was a mistake

>>46710833
Another retard BTFOs herself

If EN3 ever comes around it won't actually be EN but ES and obviously aimed towards spanish speakers, who are the actual untapped market.

>5ch goes down
>JP thread /here/
>one of the first questions is where is EN3
yep it's this bad

>>46749716
> still most popular branches
not even by a longshot

>>46783453
Your posts don't make any sense because you switch your benchmarks from subs to income to CCV just to support whatever viewpoint you want. You make the point that Tempus makes money. Yes, but so does HoloEN, and even more than Tempus. Then you switch your benchmarks to subs as success...but Tempus sub growth is shit and you just called them a success. What extra mile did they undergo to grow their subs?
Lastly you're bragging about fucking 1k CCV and holding it up as a huge success. It is, but then by that standard Council is a huge success because their CCV is much better, and Council members often outrank Myth members that aren't Gura in CCV.
Last but not least, Chloe only recently hit 1M subs and that's with HoloX being ubershilled by Cover Corp. The rest of HoloX will take anywhere from a few months more to several years to reach 1M.
If Chloe had been a retard like Kronii and killed her own sub growth you could make the same argument about HoloX not reaching 1 million and you'd be rightfully called out as a retard for it because you're evaluating an entire gen based on 1 (ONE) person. Conversely, if Kronii had 1 million subs by now because she didn't fuck over her own growth, that wouldn't really change anything about the rest of her gen because it's just an arbitrary benchmark and applies only to her.

>>46790340
Welcome to literally all discussions about why there's no EN3. People create a bunch of weird excuses to justify it because for some reason they don't want to accept that Cover wasn't interested in doing it last year and straight up lied to a bunch of girls with the open auditions.

>>46768062
>EN

>>46768062
The EN audience wants more girls.

>>46791014
Rin and Pippa growing pretty big for small agency vtubers around the same period Cover decided to focus all their attention on shoving guys down the EN audience's throats is amazing. Someone with half a brain cell would understand why this happened, but I guess Omega and his yes men are too retarded to realize that.

Cover has shit rep among indies especially after Kiara and Mori kept shitting on EN management or Moom couldn't even make a stream about fucking history of potatoes because that's too controversial.

>>46707751
Ah you mean Tempus Gen 3? On it!

>>46791541
>makes a history themed chuuba
>doesn't let her use the theme in a cool way
Fuck Omega. That cunt fucking ruined EN and I fucking hope he's gone for good this time.

>>46784173
>how many timezones AND THERE'S ONLY 10 OF THEM. Holox debuted to 30 senpai (31 if you count Rushia), while Council only had 6 other members in EN and there's only so much they can do with 10 (then 11)
On top of that, dont forget, Councils main problem was that they were all part-time streamers

>>46710153
Because the state of EN right now is Kiara and Fauna streaming every day in their timeslots while you might be the rest of them stream if all the planets are aligned. And for some reason when they DO stream they happen to all overlap in US prime time.
Maybe they'll hire people that stream during dead hours.

>>46791802
>>makes a history themed chuuba
Cuuld've just been an owl girl adventurer but, no...she has to be a god...yup...

>>46792113
That wouldn't be a problem if there wasn't so few EN members. Not every JP members is like Koyori who streams multiple times per day, but with 35 is nigh impossible to have a day without multiple streams. EN having only 10 with most of them not having consistent schedules makes the need for more members even more apparent.

>>46792408
All of Council could've have had simpler concepts, but their branch director really needed to make his fanfic real.

>>46707751
soon

>>46796628
We've been hearing "soon" for almost a year already.

>>46784173
Events can involve people out of Hololive, but lets be realistic. Outside of Selen from NijiEN side, Amelia or Kiara from HoloEN nobody has the drive to organize a big colab.

>>46710153
Person who stopped following only Hololive and feels a lot comfier with small corps here. My answer is simple, Hololive is a huge brand and its talents in general have a degree of unity that you don't see anywhere else, on top of the big corporate thing giving them a lot of budget for concerts and the occasional new model. I don't depend on Hololive anymore but I really can't wait to see what EN3's fresh blood would bring to the EN branch.
Especially after two gens of Tempus completely murdered it.

>>46710153
>3 out of 5 of Myth barely streams
>Council is too niche
After 2 entire years, adding in new girls will be purely beneficial. Add more general-styled streamers like Myth.

>>46803431
While they can involve outsiders they shouldn't 99% of the time. EN should have enough people so they don't need to invite people from other agencies or indies for branch wide events. JP will do an 18-women Puyo Puyo Tetris tournament, and EN would only be able to do something similar if everyone is present or they get the IDs, which still shouldn't happen THAT frequently. All branches should be self-sustained but the worldwide nature of EN and the fact there's only a couple of actually dedicated streamers makes them the branch that urgently needs new blood.

>>46804628
>>46806188
>what EN3's fresh blood would bring to the EN branch.

even if /management/ fucks them up, railroads them into niches, bans the interesting content that caters to their skills, they are too introverted to interact with anyone outside their gen
and they get EN syndrome in one month, even then we'd still be marginally better off then before.
the real final nail in the coffin would be further nijification

With the thread about to die, can somebody post some indies that deserve to be in hololive?

>>46809985
they shouldn't be bothering with most indies that regularly get suggested as candidates. give me someone out of left field
>>46806188
i'm curious what you mean by a niche vs general style streamer. frankly i dont really see the difference. e.g. fauna's "niche" is asmr but i'd argue most of her fanbase now is there for her general gaming streams

>>46810176
>give me someone out of left field
like?

>>46810176
Yeah, unless it's an indie that produces content wildly different from the current members or plays games that they generally don't play I'd rather have someone who's interested in becoming a vtuber but from a different area.

>>46710636
Are they gonna get Sydsnap?

They want singers and dancers. 3/11 members can sing and dance. It's fucking embarrassing since they can't keep flying these girls to Japan to give them lessons. Cover is still an Idol company at the end of the day not a streaming group. THIS IS NOT COPE.

>>46810176
taylor swift pls

>>46812129
Not even most of jp sings and dances. As long as they're workable it's fine

>>46803431
Pomu sometimes too but yeah otherwise people don't really organize huge collabas. Gura...sometimes. Mumei and Bae have organized stuff before too

>>46811671
If I knew I would post them but I don't. They don't all have to be in the vtuber sphere already. Kobo wasn't a streamer.

>>46814195 (me)
Although iirc she was some kind of entertainer.
Kaela was a pro gamer.

>>46814195
>>46814237
Kobo had some huge numbers in her PL.
A mix of vtubers and non-vtubers is the ideal balance. Having too many real life streamers can end up with normies again.