/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>46656346
The more you read the more you gain experience the more you can deduce the unknown

Don't give up, OP. Don't beat yourself up, either. Learning kanji takes a lot of time and effort.

>>46656346
Imagine if every other word was replaced with an emoji, and you had to guess whether the emoji was pronounced as a Latin prefix or the English word. So a dog emoji could be either “canine” or “dog”.
That’s basically it. Not too hard, but I’m also an autist who laughs at jokes about Latin and forgets why people don’t find them funny.

Don't beat yourself up anon, watching some of the native Japanese vtubers struggle with archaic kanji gives me hope that I'll never learn this hellish language either!

>>46656346
nigga just learn the radicals theres like 50 of them that matter

Personally I don't think it is worth it unless you are a young person. Time is fickle and it gets more difficult and frustrating to acquire new knowledge as you age. Although If could go back to middle school or even high school I would try to start from there and consume more too

>>46656346
because kanji was designed to filter plebs like yourself and your oshi

>>46656346
この雨が降ります。毎日はご飯と納豆を食べます。もっと日本語を勉強たいですか、もっと本を読んでいますよ。漫画ない!
You should learn like Japanese kids and learn Kanji straight off the bat.

>>46656346
skill issue

>>46665624
Skill issue? Skill issue? Let's bring up Elira's game choices if you wanna talk skill issue. She plays JRPGs that require the critical thinking ability of a nine year old. Call me when she plays a real game like Metal Gear Solid.

>>46656346
I speak Chinese

>>46665624
This
Never understand why people strugles with kanji

>>46667949
>strugles

>>46668188
>minor spelling mistake

>>46668291
Your understanding of tense is also way off. I'm surprised you're good at kanji but not so good at English.

>>46656346
Start with simple kanji get used to them
Don't forget to write them, learn strokes order and radicals
I recommend these kanji (kun'yomi is in hiragana and on'yomi is in katakana)

人 ひと/ジン,ニン a person
男 おとこ/ダン a man
女 おんな/ジョ a woman
子 こ/シ a child
日 ひ/ニチ,ジツ day, sun
月 つき/ゲツ,ガツ moon, ガツ is for counting months
時 とき/ジ time, ジ is for counting hours
火 ひ/カ fire
水 みず/スイ water
土 つち/ド dirt
木 き/モク tree
風 かぜ/フウ wind
金 かね/キン money, gold
空 そら/クウ sky
山 やま/サン mountain
川 かわ/セン river
雨 あめ/ウ rain
花 はな/カ flower

Try to learn that and after kanji will become easier
I recommend learning n5 kanji after that

>>46656346
>can memorize words
This is where you're supposed to acquire kanji nigga, they're essentially just a second layer to vocabulary. Isolated study is a meme, all you need is vocabulary (and radicals as a primer).

>>46656346
You know how you know all 150 original pokemon at a glance, kanji was like that for old people. They didnt have anything interesting to memorize in the past.

>>46669446
any recommendations for a good guide with progression to kanji beyond just n5 n4 etc?
also are radicals wortjlh studying in depth?

>>46665792
As a MGS fan, dude wut? Lol

>>46671200
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-xDAvCx32Y

>>46671248
>Obama as the coomer
Kek

>>46671248
AI is terrifying.

>>46656346
Less learning, more memorizing.
Unless you're planning on learning to write kanji who gives a shit about radicals.

>>46669446
I'm not good at Japanese myself, but recognizing radicals will help you look for unfamiliar kanji using a dictionary app, at least.

>>46672363
meant to quote >>46671102

>>46671102
https://jlptsensei.com/jlpt-n5-kanji-list/
You just need to know what they represent and how are formed kanji
When they created kanji they used several method
Pictogram like 山
Combine two meaning 休 meaning "rest" formed with 人 and 木
But most kanji are formed with a radical and a part that gives the on'yomi or something close
For example 相 you can find this in 想 and that just means they have the same on'yomi which is ソウ

http://www.kanjidamage.com/kanji_facts
Kanji damage is terribe and you shouldn't use it, but this page does a decent job explaining the basics.
For actual learning/consulting:
https://hochanh.github.io/rtk/

>>46656904
>archaic kanji
archaic? My oshi struggles with anything beyond everyday basic kanji. Makes me feel better for the worst reasons.

We always talk about chuuba bad at kanji but nobody talks about chuuba good at kanji

>>46672619
I know all these, guess I was looking for more stuff like how to tell what combinations of stuff indicate/mean/are spoken
sometimes it's kind of obvious but sometimes it makes 0 sense

If you're retarded like me and keep burning out using shit like anki just dive into some of the simpler vns and brute force your way through while looking up every single kanji you don't know. The only method I could stick to without completely killing my motivation.

>>46674422
What are some examples of things that don't make sense to you? I'll see if I can help.

>>46674909
lots of kanji meanings are not really represented by their constituents
the only things I've seen addressing this problem are heisig-style bullshit with mnemonics and shit, but I never liked that method
I guess I'm wondering if there is any other systematic way to learn than that or anki

Don't worry OP, the Japanese don't know kanji either.

>>46676990
Some do but yeah, most people remember like 300-1000 of them and that's fine.
And even the people that do know kanji, are fucked once cursive comes into the game.

>>46656346
>but cannot read kanji
don't memorize kanji, learn vocabs instead
then you ankireps the fuck out of your frequently used common vocabs and their kanji form, you're gonna make it i believe you anon

>>46677761
>most people remember like 300-1000
Delusional

>>46678129
he is delusional, but that's because the number is too low
vtubing is filled with high-school dropouts and social rejects

>>46664948
Honestly this can work to a point but I feel like while i know what a lot of kanji mean people who know less understand them better and are less likely to how to read something but not know how to say it. Learnt it by force playing vns with only partial voicing. Picked up what some meant from the voiced parts, others by assuming by context and being correct when I looked it up and some just having to look it up. My reading skill is decent but my spoken vocabulary isn't that great cause I never bothered with improving it

>>46678244
That doesn't mean anything
Marine didn't go to university and was bad at school but I'm impressed by how many kanji she knows, I think she can write at least 2500 kanji
She probably read/wrote to many chuuni things that include non-usual kanji

>look at symbol
>think "okay, this is the symbol"
>and now you know it
It's that easy.

>>46678395
Meanwhile, Korone...

kanji is the easiest part of japanese, literally just a pictogram memory game, you dont need to understand shit

>>46681100
Yeah except the shit you have to memorize looks like this:
鬱
Not exactly what I'd call easy.

Any VNs you'd recommend for this purpose?

>>46682018
still easier than actually understanding grammar

>>46682018
WHAT THE FUUGGG ::DDD

Just have Chinese as your mother tongue lol

>>46689105
The good old days when they were allowed to read the in-game chat... it's a shame what happened to Hololive.

>>46656346
It's okay brother
japs cant read kanji either

>>46667949
>Never UNDERSTAND why people STRUGLES with kanji
>understood
>struggle

>>46689105
Towa is so great lol

My brain is not wired for symbol languages
I can speak and listen for japanese but It's literally impossible for me to remember which squiggly lines correlate to which word and 4 different meanings.
I speak some french and some spanish so i'm not terminally retarded.
My brain is just wired not for quick recall memory but for cognition, problem solving and the ability to tell when people are lying about bullshit, see politicians.
I wont lie, it is pretty nice to be able to learn things from watching other people, so I can watch someone kick a brick wall break their foot and say ouch, I dont need to kick a brick wall myself to figure it out like 90% of humanity.
But god damn does it suck not being able to read mangos in their untranslated original language

>>46689682
You can use mnemotechnic way

>>46664948
>was actually able to read a good chunk of this
i'm genuinely surprised i've managed to learn anything at all.

>>46664948
>降ります
I want to point out that this is a big trap for beginners
This kanji have 2 japanese reading おりるmeaning to go down/get out for a car or a mountain for example and ふる meaning to fall for rain or snow
But because of how the polite form is made they are written the same way, you have to guess with context and because it's 雨が降ります you know that it's ふる

>tfw you have to understand what makes は different from が
>tfw you have to learn about onyomi and kunyomi
>tfw you have to memorize over 15 different counters
>tfw you have to learn the honorific and humble forms
終わりだ

nice fucking language

>>46691896
>>tfw you have to understand what makes は different from が
They have nothing in common though

>>46692097
They can be used interchangeably in many contexts.

>>46656346
Unless you're a chink, we're all baffled by the hieroglyphics.
>>46656848
This is why English is superior for taking all the other words and making them our own. Pig/swine, cat/feline, wife/spouse, building/edifice

>>46692179
Yes because は can replace any particle, why not
>tfw you have to understand what makes は different from で
I have several example where は replaces で

no one on 4chan will demoralize me to the point of not catching up to ken-sama's back. you can't make me give up you bitches

>>46689105
Your whole island is, Twappi. Continue to hide your shame.

>>46690680
Absolutely does not help me at all. Except chunking. Chunking helps me remember numbers like phone numbers and such

>>46692475
Based anon
Keep doing your reps

>>46682018
that one is super easy because it looks unique though. The hardest ones are the fairly similar looking ones like 体 and 休
And when I say hard it's very relativistic. It's just memorizing a bunch of scribbles. It's not a complex task. It is hard because of the sheer volume, which necessitates a large time investment.

>>46682018
>>46693415
That, some Kanjis look terrible when put on small word fonts like 龘

>>46689682
And still you can read and write English, which is done by semi arbitrarily combining around 35 symbols. You are lazy and coping. Find a proper method of bulk memorizing stuff. Everyone can do it unless they are literally mentally impaired. "my brain works different" in general is a retarded rethoric. No it fucking doesn't lmao.

>>46693582
that's a meme kanji tho. 憂鬱 kanji looks fine and it's, imo, very easy to recall because it has a very unique shape

>>46682018
>>46693771
Funnily I learned how to write it

>>46693628
I can do languages that use proper alphabets just fine like english
Because letters come together like apple which is a word that uses the letters together not like japanese which has "letters" that come together to make... fucking house shape pronounced like nothing similar

>>46693628
Spoken like someone that doesnt understand people or brains at all.
What the fuck do you think shit like autism is?
Retard.

>>46695167
autism is a form of retardation. So, like I said, unless you are literally impaired. Which autists are.

>>46656346
Theres people who live and work in japan and don't know kanji

>>46656346
Kanji is pretty cool, you're missing out a lot