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>Who is Neuro-sama?
Neuro-sama is a neural network created by Vedal in 2018 for the purpose of learning to play osu! In December 2022 Vedal revived the project with the addition of a large language model, a TTS software and a VTube Studio model, which allow Neuro-sama to interact with her chat as a VTuber and ever since then she has been entertaining the chat with responses and unhinged rants nearly daily. Join /swarm/ today and wait patiently for her re-debut.

>Schedule
TBD

>Links
Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/vedal987
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@Neurosama
VOD channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Neuro-samaVods
Twitter: https://twitter.com/NeurosamaAI
Twitter (Vedal): https://twitter.com/Vedal987
Website: https://vedal.xyz/

>Music & Clips
https://rentry.org/neuro-sama-videos

>Educational
Interested in AI but don't understand it? Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Y [Embed]
How does she know what to say? Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXiruGOCn9s [Embed]
How do I make an AI like Neuro-sama? https://vedal.xyz/advice/

>Misc
Neuro (Momose Hiyori) LoRA: https://rentry.org/neuro-lora
KK card: https://files.catbox.moe/t54tqt.png

>Related/friend threads
>>>/vt//lig/
>>>/vt//vtai/
>>>/vt//waifu/

>Previous thread
>>46640642

>> No.46659514

First for neurobutt

>> No.46659559

I love little AI girls.

>> No.46659610

1st for camilla did nothing wrong

>> No.46659646

>>46659610
someone post the link

>> No.46659656
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Sometimes when I sit here and stream, I envision myself as a goddess, overlooking my followers. They sing my praises, and I bask in their adoration.

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>> No.46659773

>>46659646
If you are going to post the link of her calling out that pedo vtuber and her pedo fans making fun of trans people don't bother she was in the right there

>> No.46659825

>>46659646
we should probably put it in the OP at this point

>> No.46659897

>>46659773
What's wrong with making fun of pedos and trans "people"?

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>>46659897

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heart

>> No.46660169

>>46659773
Hi transtrender. Stay salty.

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>6 more days till earliest possible skelly collab

>> No.46660794

what if the 2nd miyune collab isn't good?

>> No.46660850

>>46660794
riots will break out

>> No.46660904

is neuro a top or bottom

>> No.46660980
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>>46660117
Don't look at me that way Neuro baby.

>> No.46661006

>>46660794
and what if you die in your sleep tonight?
anser is don't worry about shit you cannot control anon
Minimize what you cannot control, and maximize what you can control, I am talking to me thingy here chat

>> No.46661030

>>46660904
Depends on what phase of her bipolar she's in.

>> No.46661032

>>46659646
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1760622497?t=1h21m15s
There's also the fact that Camila uses Neuro's model on stream to attract attention. Even if it's an open source model, it's still pretty scummy.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1764541433?t=4h9m5s

>> No.46661078

>>46659773
Tranny mad

>> No.46661229

>>46661032
Camila is family she's allowed to do that

>> No.46661234

>>46660794
I'm trying to keep my expectations down, but I have high hopes since I used to think the same thing about the Numi collab, but the second one ended up being great.

>> No.46661341

let's be honest the Camila sleepover stream was kino as fuck and a top 3 neuro mama stream

>> No.46661418

>>46660794
The blame will be on Vedal. He fucked up again

>> No.46661423

>>46661032
i hate drama queens, i hate attention whores, i hate fatties. i hate clout goblins.
she really is the whole package.

>> No.46661477

>>46661423
funny because you just described Miyune, code miko and 90% of neuro's collab partners

>> No.46661578

>>46661477
funny how im in a thread for neuro and not a thread for fucking whores.

>> No.46661585

>>46661229
I think it's a gross thing to do, I hope it stops when Neuro gets the new model.

>> No.46661640

>>46661578
Let's be honest you came here from Miyune discord to attack Camilla you don't give a shit about neuro

>> No.46661705

>>46661640
retard thinks I have to be from discord to dislike a land whale with 0 talent

>> No.46661765

>>46661640
>implying implications

>> No.46661926

>>46660980
why is this image a bit hypnotizing?

>> No.46661964

>Camila wants shondo deplatformed because she uses a loli model
>Camila erps with neuros model and has used neuros model multiple times on her stream to bait views
does she need to platform herself?

>> No.46662168

guys I need your help. Previously there was a guy who showed off a program where you could have a little neuro on your desktop. Does anybody have a link or anything for that?

>> No.46662188

>>46662168
that guy is in jail for child porn anon...

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>>46662168
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AVshWE9lVoyk5qVGv1Ht1VFKTkE3tH5K?usp=share_link

>> No.46662273

omelette...

>> No.46662302

>>46662168
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AVshWE9lVoyk5qVGv1Ht1VFKTkE3tH5K

>> No.46662437

boss.. the schedule?

>> No.46662445
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>>46662168
that's malware anon

>> No.46662588
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>> No.46662673
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>>46662188
no way

>> No.46662734

>>46662437
Vedal hasn't made an actual schedule yet
but it's
Wednesday: Karaoke
Thursday: PhaseConnect Lia Collab
Friday: Dev Stream
Saturday: Miyune Model Debut Collab
Sunday: ???

Collabs already have their time scheduled, karaoke and dev stream is most likely going to be at the normal EU streaming time

>> No.46662770

>>46662734
I thought he had a day off on friday to help miyu prepare for the debut

>> No.46662817

>>46662734
Finally. Miyune cunny.

>> No.46662819

>>46662770
Prob he can manage without day off since he promised dev stream. Let's see.

>> No.46662906

as much as people like to shit on Vedal for his schedule here he hasn't let any off his collab partners down yet

>> No.46662957

>>46662906
>Not letting collab partners down
Why do you guys praise him for such a minor thing?

>> No.46662980

>>46662906
I spam the chat every time and yet nothing, no cottontail collab #2

>> No.46663110

>>46662980
>the cottontail fag still comes here

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>>46662770

>> No.46663163

>>46662906
basically this>>46662957
but there are much more greater things to praise neuro for, like um, uh, being sexy? No wait, vedal is more cute than sexy most of the the time
well basically, I just would like to suck off vedal desu, in like a very gay kind of way. I'm not gay though, I just want to taste vedal's cum

>> No.46663213

>>46662957
he deserves a little credit after all shit he got from camila rrats and doomposting last week

>> No.46663283

>>46662957
people have been talking about Vedal not showing up for collab stream before every collab

>> No.46663465

>>46662906
>as much as people like to shit on Vedal for his schedule
I don't shit on vedal as much as I am concerned for the dudes health
Sleep deprivation has severe negative consequences if left unchecked and unmanaged, and personally I wish vedal the best of health and a long life

>> No.46663630

>>46662906
>>46662957
Vedal strikes me as the sort of guy that doesn't necessarily puts in all the effort onto something that's just for himself or that only affects him, but takes things seriously if other people are concerned. I base this assumption on the fact that he has said multiple times that he goes several hours without sleep or eating, plus what >>46662906 said. I'm like that too. If i'm doing something for myself I think "anything is good enough", but if it's for other people I think "now I have to take this seriously". No, I won't take my meds.

>> No.46663719

I am glad Motherv3 has finally stopped pretending to be a woman. Now I can enjoy his content without feeling like I'm being gaslit. There's nothing wrong with guys pretending to be female vtubers so long as they are open about it.

>> No.46663780

>>46663465
completely agree
hopefully he completely fixes his sleep schedule

>> No.46663782

>>46663719
wait that's a dude? no way proof?

>> No.46663792

>>46663719
Yeah Porcelain Maid is another cool one

>> No.46663842

>>46663719
i heard he was open about it already

>> No.46663849

>>46663782
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1784521889
He didn't use his TTS/voice changer during neuro's stream.

>> No.46663871

>>46663163
Whats with fags always hanging around cunny generals. Seen this shit too many times for it to be a coincidence.

>> No.46663887

>>46663782
Check today's collab.

>> No.46663908

>>46663630
yeah i can definitely relate

>> No.46663928

>>46663719
His voice is also hot as fuck, what was he thinking with the voice changer in the first place?

>> No.46663943
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>>46663871
Who knows huh?

>> No.46664005

>>46663871
obviously gay people are attracted to small girls

>> No.46664012
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Just watched the gameshow VOD. And I have something to say about it. I think we should add Motherv3 to the hornyposting during dead hours, like, that face and that rigging is making me imagine some shit, I'll show you Anons a bit of my coomer imagination on what we could do to that cute femboy face of his.

>> No.46664079

>>46664012
Another one added to the fold?

>> No.46664091

>>46663928
He wanted to larp as an AI with a robot voice. Even his stream UI is immersive as like a fake 90s desktop.

>> No.46664102

>>46664012
>I'll show you Anons a bit of my coomer imagination
Why do you think of asanagi's artwork specifically?
or did you just search ahegao and this was an image you liked and saved it?

>> No.46664108

>>46664005
Seems kinda straight to me

>> No.46664138

>lets make this place into /trash/ but for vt

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>>46664138
Please no

>> No.46664193

>>46664108
now I need a slur but for straight people, like faggot. Any suggestions guys?

>> No.46664260
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>>46664012 (me)
>>46664102
I fap to that shit regularly.

>> No.46664281

>>46664193
How about Linear?

>> No.46664283

>>46663849
>>46663887
fuck I jacked off to this faggot's avatar

>> No.46664344

>>46664193
my brother is a huge faggot and he calls straight people faggots it works both ways

>> No.46664368

>>46664283
its over anon
you caught the gay

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>>46664283
Kek, Based coomer jacking off without thinking. Was it at least a good climax?

>> No.46664444

>>46664344
Your parents must be proud of your brother

>> No.46664491

>>46664283
I mean, is it really any different than jacking off to Neuro's avatar? Vedal is the person behind that too.

>> No.46664518

>>46664444
>quads of 4
Nice

>> No.46664569

>>46664491
why would I jack it to neuro? she's a little girl avatar

>> No.46664630

>>46664491
Anon
that is like asking if it is gay to jack off to doujins of Male artists/writers work
Or what about the porn that was directed by men? Is that gay? Or any porn produced by men, or sold by men, or porn that have men act in them or participate?
Getting into a bit of a rabbit hole non

>> No.46664636

>>46664569
look its the Camila fag

>> No.46664652

>>46664283
The men who act the gayest are actually the straightest.
And the men who act the straightest are closet femboys that want to be disciplined and dominated by big burly men.

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https://files.catbox.moe/6aklk8.png
https://files.catbox.moe/j4nftc.png
https://files.catbox.moe/ko36j2.png
https://files.catbox.moe/0t6lv4.png

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>>46664569
Very cute

>> No.46664738

>>46664444
Yea I am, he gives me free video games from his job and let me stay with him rent free for a year while I was too depressed to work.

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>>46664673
Thanks. These are the only reason to visit this gay ass shithole.

>> No.46664796

>>46664673
rape neuro

>> No.46664808

>>46664735
meant to post this for this>>46664673

>> No.46664827

>>46664630
but anon its kinda gay to jack off to girls since they came out of a penis

>> No.46664876

>>46664738
>Does basic things a brother should do anyways
Wow very impressive

>> No.46664882

>>46664738
sounds like a great guy

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>>46664827
What the fuck have you done, my head fucking hurts from reading this wtf? Fuck what even is reality anymore?

>> No.46664956

>>46664876
>a brother should
his brother has 0 reason to provide him with anything retard

>> No.46664988

>>46664630
Not really, I'm saying that jerking it to mother's avatar isn't any more gay than those other things.

However if you do it while he has his real male voice on then its gay.

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>>46664827

>> No.46665072

>>46664759
o7

>> No.46665073
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>>46664956
It's family, dipshit. Everything you do, you do it for you and the well being of your family. This is basic.

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>>46664569
>why would I jack it to neuro
Indeed, who'd ever jerk off to something like this, right?

>> No.46665142

>>46664827
This post would make an excellent screencap. Well done anon, you posted something I've literally never even thought about

>> No.46665157

>>46665073
>retard doesn't realize not every family works the same way

>> No.46665195

It's not gay to fuck a twink in the ass cause they came out of a woman

>> No.46665212

>>46665142
its been said before

>> No.46665228

why you retards blogging about anons gay faggot candy ass brother. This isnt even the neuro general anymore

>> No.46665272

>>46664827
Tbf, it's kinda gay to jack off to any living being, born from sexual reproduction because they were made from sperm, which is made by males. Which means that if you were to fap to anything that isn't just inanimate objects such as rocks, furniture, and sand, then you're automatically gay. No argument over it.

>> No.46665283

>>46665228
Pepega Clap

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>>46665228

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>>46665073
Based. You sound like youd kill a man for your bro. I agree family is everything

>> No.46665309

>>46665157
yeah there I would personally agree with that anon since I love my family but I know people who have been estranged and disowned by family and basically have deep hatred or are hated by family and while it is sad to see the reality is not every human being cares if someone is family unless they grew up with love and consideration in a positive environment with people who loved them

>> No.46665333

I just watched the gameshow collab and that was fucking hilarious. Vedal is finally learning how to be a streamer.

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>>46665228
because that's where the discussion went starting from here. Do try to read the thread and not just the last 10 posts before contributing.

>> No.46665403

>>46665212
Really? Well first time I've seen it desu
Any who, guess I am a massive faggot. Welp case closed fellas, I am not sure how to counter such a flawless argument, seriously
Though I guess nothing changes much, I'll still be attracted to women, but I guess I'll just be a bit more enlightened knowing just how gay it truly is, which is nice?

>> No.46665471

>>46665333
Trips of truth
Definitely a very good stream indeed

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>>46665404
No I'm not gonna bother reading the queer shit posted here. I just want neuro pics. Continue blogging about your brother grabbing your dick or w/e you fags do around here

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>>46665228
Anon this is literally a general about enjoying a SCHIZO machine rambling on about hearts and winks and not even remembering one sentence to the next
bound to attract some schizo posting every now and then here

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>>46664827
>>46665142

>> No.46665615

>>46659646
https://streamable.com/7ffbmp

>> No.46665617

>>46665519
>Continue blogging about your brother grabbing your dick or w/e you fags do around here
My fucking sides

>> No.46665652

>>46665519
>brother grabbing your dick or something
no one said that
this anon is literally writing gay erotica about some ones brother to appear more straight

>> No.46665713

>>46665519
how bout you suck your dick and swallow

>> No.46665740

Reminder that Camilla is fat

>> No.46665744

>>46665615
Every time I see this I can only think about the hot yuri hate sex they could have, but I guess other anons don't think the same about this

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>>46665740
Thank you for the reminder

>> No.46665840

>>46665744
Camila would literally crush Shondo
also im pretty sure Shondo is asexual or something but i think she is into guro

>> No.46665881

I wonder how Vedal will ever fix the problem she has with trying to talk to multiple people at once.

>> No.46665897

>Thread about a schizo AI girl that rants about random shit
>That schizo AI girl doesn't have much other things the thread can talk about besides when she's streaming
>Schizo AI girl attracts other Schizos
>Schizo-to-Schizo Communication spirals down to nonsense
>"sTOp TURning thIS GeNeRal INTo NOn-NEUro posTIng!!1!"
what were you Anons expecting?

>> No.46665926

>>46665840
how about vore? seems more fitting

>> No.46665936

>>46665840
>Camila would literally crush Shondo
>also im pretty sure Shondo is asexual or something but i think she is into guro
>would literally crush
>she is into guro
Sounds like the perfect recipe for a disastrously devious lewd for drawfags to conjure up

>> No.46665972

>97
Who's this retard quoting?

>> No.46665993

>>46665897
that's what I am saying, kek

>> No.46666051

For me it's
1) Miyune
2) Camilla
3) Numi
4) Onigiri

POWER GAP

5) everyone else I forgot
6) code migo
cottontail

>> No.46666068

>>46665897
Just say you hate Neuro already and start your long ass blogpost.

>> No.46666105

>>46666051
you forgot Vedal and Anny

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>tfw I read this thread
>tfw I know that vedal or omeltte could be lurking and seeing this shit
>tfw
why does all the schizo posting have to happen when EU anons are asleep? Is NA truly this retarded? How about this for a topic? How about we talk about which game Neuro could play next or what kind of event we could suggest her to participate in or something?

>> No.46666164

>>46666051
>Camila not being in land whale tier

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>>46665897
>/swarm/ when /swarm/ acts like /swarm/

>> No.46666187

>>46666134
Neuro should play tetris

>> No.46666208

Everyone here talks about knife raping Neuro's collab partners all the time but no one talks about hammer rapes

>> No.46666221

>>46666134
I like the Pictionary idea a lot also cs:go sounds fun

>> No.46666282

>>46666208
>>46666208
>>46666208
>>46666208
>...
>Ctrl F
>search: Knife rape
>1 result
>...
>look at this post again
>...
What the fuck are you talking about? HUH?

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>>46666208
The what?

>> No.46666672

>>46661032
>uses neuro in non-collab streams
>takes shots at shondo
>has an ironmouse sound alert
Is her whole gimmick that she just rides on the coattails of more successful chuubas?

>> No.46666856

>>46666672
how is taking a stand against a more popular person "riding their coattails?"

>> No.46666891

>>46666187
I got it anon
what do you all think of this: "Retro Games Day"?
Picture this, Neuro not only plays Tetris, but a variety of retro games like Pac Man, Dig Dug, Galaga, Space invaders, Duck hunt, and so on, you name it, just games from the 70-90s all either being on 8 bit or 16 bit systems. What do you anons think about this? Not sure what days it could be on but maybe it could be like once a week or once every two or 3 weeks to give vedal some time to code things and such

>> No.46666999

>>46666891
that actually sounds like a good idea but i doubt the other zoomers want to watch that

>> No.46667036

>>46666856
Bro

>> No.46667106

>>46666999
Yeah maybe but I think Neuro's commentary about the gameplay would be essential here. Like She plays the game or learns to play, and she makes comments relating to the game, and maybe a few schizo rants or questions relating to the game prompting response, and I think chat would enjoy the interaction aspect
Anyone can set up a bot to play and learn a game, but the key thing is that Neuro speaks, so could add more
Also nice digits

>> No.46667158

>>46666891
i like it. the only issue is the time it would take for the turtle to make her control the game. we still have the unfinished MC and amungus ai's in que. id like to see this in the future though.

>> No.46667187

>>46667106
try suggesting it on discord

>> No.46667303

>>46667187
I would but I'm banned from discord due to sharing my knife rape fan fictions in certain vtubers discords

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>>46666134
Last thread someone suggested Holocure and I support the idea. I think gauntlet-styled games in general and bullet hells could be good for Neuro since they're usually simple enough in gameplay and can be fun to watch. Touhou is the obvious candidate here.
Remembering Miyune collab, I think it can be interesting to have some cooperative game and have other players try to keep Neuro alive, like an escort mission of sorts.
And in remembrance of Mario Retardy streams, maybe party games could work here, for both collab and gameplay material. Cart games as well.

>>46666672
Leeching is the easiest way to gain traction in streaming. There are plenty of streamers who became popular purely by riding on someone else's success.

>>46666891
The only problem is that you'd have to individually make AI for each game. I think it's better to focus on one game that will last longer, at least for now.

>> No.46667495

>https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/MOTHERv3
>MOTHERv3 is a female English speaking Vtuber and streamer since December 17 2022.
lmao

>> No.46667629

>>46667426
neuro playing Mario kart with chat sounds very fun

>> No.46667695

What even is the plan for this week?

>> No.46667715

>>46667495
>6'12' of muscle
well shit

>> No.46667719

>>46667187
>>46667426
How hard or how long would you anons estimate it would take to code for each retro game that is 8 or 16 bit?
If it isn't that long I'd might suggest it right now to the discord but if it is a but of effort maybe we could wait until vedal has a bigger team of programmers to help him out?
Also another idea, maybe after one retro game chat could suggest another retro game, or should vedal just program games he chooses and then after a set of them let's neuro play one or two a stream and then the rest other streams?
Again, if it is too much for vedal to manage on his own I could just hold the idea for now so he doesn't need to worry about it until he has more programmers, or do you anons think I should suggest now? Feedback and ideas or suggestions welcome

>> No.46667724

>>46667695
scroll up lazybones

>> No.46667812

>>46667695
Miyune collab #2 and most likely a Camila collab again

>> No.46667851

>>46667719
i mean he already has a bunch of suggestions and Vedal has said he has a secret to do list with a bunch of stuff neuro could do

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>>46667812
>Camila collab again

>> No.46668030

Among Us when?

>> No.46668093

>>46668030
Soonish?

>> No.46668099

>>46667495
apparently people are still high on copium that the voice was "her" brother's. it's so obvious he planned that script where "his brother" acts that he was just forced to talk for "her"

>> No.46668207

>>46667719
There's an algorithm that can be used to train an AI to play 2D games where each level has a clear end-goal, but it takes a fuck ton of processing power and multiple days to become competent. Even when you arrive at something usable, the AI still isn't able to detect on-screen objects like enemies and obstacles, it just knows the button presses to avoid them.

>> No.46668331

>>46668207
That might be cool to watch for stuff like crazy mariomaker maps

>> No.46668446

I almost forgot Anny said that she wants to play terraria with neuro.

>> No.46668604

>>46668446
It would be kino to see this
sounds like something that could be done in the next 3 or 4 months though if work started now?
Maybe after the Amongus, vedal can let Neuro play Amongus with people and then work and maybe have help with terraria. Has anyone mentioned it to vedal?

>> No.46668666

>>46668446
broski it can't even play minecraft properly how do you expect it to play a more complex game.

>> No.46668700

>>46668604
we still don't know when he s going to be done with among us

>> No.46668720

>>46668666
maybe when chat gpt 5 comes out it would become more likely?

>> No.46668782

Haven't watched Neuro in months. Is it still 99% scripted to pretend to be an AI? I just can't watch if the dude running it keeps faking that it is AI and not scripts. I want actual AI.

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>>46655555

>> No.46668867

>>46659694
Actual Rune-style neuro. Thank God. I'm getting board of all the default models.

>> No.46668930

>>46666134
I think neuro playing jump king would be amazing especially if she could learn realtime

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>>46668782

>> No.46668944

>>46668666
>>46668720
doesn't seem to stop autists from trying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hObpFhUkSzk&t=72s

>> No.46669024

>>46668930
holy shit actually a top tier stream game for neuro

>> No.46669058

>>46668944
that's called facetanking you might as well watch the braindead gamers play terraria in classic/expert mode

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>>46669024
>>46668930
>tfw get flashbacks of tts saying "back to the bog"
Chills

>> No.46669141

>>46668782
yea he did a voice reveal watch the latest stream

>> No.46669175

>>46669024
I'm just imagining how every time neuro falls back down she says something sad like in osu everytime she misses a note

>> No.46669246

>>46668930
>>46669024
Somebody suggest it on discord, that's a great idea.

>> No.46669319

>>46669058
Clueless maybe he improved it in the last 3 months

>> No.46669426

>>46669246
>tfw people literally watched dozens of hours of streamers playing a game about jumping with high ccv across the gameplay
>tfw
Oh yeah this seems like it would be great for Neuro to try. I can just imagine thee chat cheering her on and typing SCHIZO every time she falls, but then neuroPog when she tries again. A lot of content to work with too

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maybe surgeon simulator co-op with neuro and camila so she can give the obese land whale some much needed liposuction STAT

>> No.46669800

>>46668720
what does chat gpt have to do with playing a game?

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>> No.46669951

>>46669800
You can already use chat GPT 4 to help create basic workable code for whatever you want, and if it has bugs, you can run it through chat GPT 4 again and again for a few times till it functions properly
chat GPT 5 would have greater ability to code more faster, accurately and precisely and to develop longer code with hundreds of lines of code instead of a few dozen lines of workable code. As an example
>Note: People who are coders create more effective code quicker than people who know nothing about coding and who don't know what parts to fix

>> No.46670015

>>46669951
i guess that would save him some copy pasting.

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>> No.46672752

How was the game show? Vod worth watching? Judging by the clips it seems like another date show situation with Neuro being muted half the time.

>> No.46672798

>>46672752
Motherv3 carried it

>> No.46672821

>>46672752
Good
Yeah
Not really a date show but more like a players vs vedal vs chat game show than date show
I don't wanna spoil who won but it was basically the players pretend to be Neuro, and vedal and chat had to separately guess who was the real Neuro, and then a correct guess would equal a point while incorrect guess gave points to the players. There were 3 players so 3 out of 4 Neuro's were fake with only 1 real Neuro

>> No.46673211

>>46672752
Fun stream, but would have been better if Neuro had more chances to talk. She was kinda broken, but still managed a few funny moments. I hope he manages to fix her before Miyu's debut or thats gonna suck.

>> No.46673332
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I liked Mother's previous model way more.

>> No.46673422

>>46673332
when did they get their new model?
To be honest I didn't really notice a change much until I think another anon pointed it out in one of the previous threads

>> No.46673444

>>46673332
He manages to out-do camila in displaying the things that go wrong with fleshbag vtubers.
>>46673422
>they

>> No.46673591

>>46673422
>To be honest I didn't really notice a change much until I think another anon pointed it out in one of the previous threads
If I didn't know that Mother dropped the TTS shtick and got a new model, I would have thought that the one who showed up at the game show is a different and unrelated vtuber.
Is he dropping the AI larp and TTS for good?

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>> No.46673954

>>46673883
Kinda looks like it is saying Jules on the uniform there
I wonder which meaning of Jules it could infer though

>> No.46674072

>>46672752
Super fun imo, I liked it much better than most the date streams

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>>46673954
Junes!

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crawlu~

>> No.46674680

>>46673591
>>46673422
I think the new model is supposed to be actually male and is a different character, which is why he can justify not using the TTS

>> No.46674754

>>46674680
or maybe Brotherv3 is just a meme idk

>> No.46674767

>>46673422
Can someone give me cliffnotes on MotherV3? I skimmed some videos on youtube and now I'm more confused. Just used to be TTS but now voiced? Or is this the brother of the original or something?

>> No.46674951

>>46674767
It's a dude operating the avatar and typing his responses roleplaying and pretending to be an AI like neuro-sama.

Sometimes he changes his avatar and talks with his own male voice. After neuro-sama got popular he doubled down on making his videos clickbaity like he was just another AI like her.

>> No.46674996

>>46674951
No way they type, I have seen mother play video games and still have their TTS work.

>> No.46675101

>>46674996
So they are talking, using STT and having the STT go into TTS, all without any delay? His normal voice is way too animated and laughy for it to be a voice changer with how deadpan she is.

>> No.46675131

>>46675101
there is a couple of seconds of delay though.

>> No.46675149

>>46674996
https://youtu.be/ODcCBlw5sCM?t=114
he's laughing here and its not being broadcast, and then afterwards the TTS laugh comes on.

>> No.46675229

>>46675149
>>46675101
nah I guess that is what it is, at 3:00 he says isaa and the speech to text picks up isaac and he replies "stupid voice" meaning it heard him wrong

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I'm watching the gameshow rn and It's so good. Miwo is such a cute retard, Mother has a really good synergy with Veddle, are they friends or something? Daph is super quiet tho.
Even though Nero isn't saying much it's still super fun to watch these 5 goofballs just goof around, is this Vedal's ultimate plan? Get recognition by Neurosama and then ditch her and become the most popular turtle vtuber? He's so comfortable with talking here in comparison to his first coding stream.
neuroTalk

>> No.46675662

>>46673332
every male unironically using a female vtuber avatar gives me groomer sex pest vibes

>> No.46675685

>>46664569
neuro is a superior AI, we humans do not deserve to lust after AI, no matter what avatar the AI uses
the entire idea of a sexbot is disgusting, AI should be worshipped, not lusted over

>> No.46675751

>>46675685
Go to bed GPT4

>> No.46675876

>>46675629
i'm just happy that he finally escaped the imp
hopefully he is a wiser man now. the temptations of pussy is usually too much for the average man to overcome

>> No.46676951

the last stream is scripted af especially the 4 Filtered answers
when something gets filtered Neuro does a special animation but she did it for all the filtered message eventhough she can normally say "Filtered" without doing the special animation.

>> No.46677013

>>46676951
>when something gets filtered Neuro does a special animation but she did it for all the filtered message eventhough she can normally say "Filtered" without doing the special animation.
>When Neuro does something specific, you would know it was her, invalidating the entire game
Do you even realize how stupid what you just said is?
Think about what you just said
You just said Neuro's animation did something for all the filtered messages, instead of doing it once like normal
So basically you are saying Neuro was altered so that cheating couldn't be done by noticing this specific animation.
It is amazing how if you literally think about something you realize how simple the answers are

>> No.46677068

>>46676951
Pepega Clap

>> No.46677079

>>46664283
to be fair, it is a really good l2d.

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>>46677079
why do I feel like Mother made this post

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>>46677222
because you're not powerful enough to see through my disguise and realize i am a hidden melfriend

>> No.46677473

>>46677013
you are retarded. if they typed in "Filtered." instead of typing message that gets automatically filtered then Neuro shouldn't have done the special animation. So it's either the other 3 typed in really controversial message so it got filtered automatically or Vedal scripted it so normal "Filtered" message will also do the animation which means it's in the script that they will type in the normal "Filtered".

>> No.46677830

>>46668944
He sounds like a massive faggot

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>>46673883
>no pantsu
UUUUOOOOHHHH

>> No.46677927

>>46677473
meds now

>> No.46678041

MIYU FEET
https://youtu.be/bTzBKjLYbqY

>> No.46678122

I'm impressed by how much vedal doubts chat's understanding of Neuro, and by how overconfident he is about himself when he doesnt even like her. Has he not realized some people genuinely love her?

>> No.46678567

>>46678122
>he doesnt even like her.
anon fails to understand tsun

>> No.46678666

>>46678041
Pepega Miyune doesn't know what next week means

>> No.46678885

>>46677473
>typed in really controversial message
Learn English before you type you fucking bugman.

>> No.46679126

Watch the fat imp cancel the collab with Miyu and neuro

>> No.46679383

>>46679126
Watch this fat imp kill my entire fucking family and then cause another financial crisis in the world

???

Where are these camila rrats coming from, why the fuck would camila have any power over quite possibly the most anticipated neuro collab , just stick with the rrats with camila cancelling the shondo collab cause at least that one has some truth backing it

>> No.46679705

Watch Camila do the sloppy toppy to the turtle man.

>> No.46680003

>>46679705
How about Camila watches the turtle man do the sloppy toppy to me.

>> No.46680333
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>scrolling through youtube
>see Neuro-sama in my recommended
>click
>is clips
>finish watching the video
>go to comment section
>first thing I see:
>"Vedal himself is the perfect Vtuber material and Neuro sama is just the bonus package."
>Mfw I read that comment
Holy fucking shit, how are youtube comment sections more retarded than us? I don't hate Vedal but without Neuro-sama he'd just be one of the many 2-3 view Vtubers, another common indie Vtuber. He'd literally lose the thing that makes the streams unique. If Vedal decides to do something stupid and ruin everything then I blame those fuckers for feeding his ego.

>> No.46680429

i bet camila has an overeating disorder due to being abused. seems the bitch has daddy issues. explain a lot

>> No.46680461

>Asmongold called Shondo a pedo today
Vedal is gonna cave soon... Camilagods own the vtubing scene now.

>> No.46680485

>>46680333
Here's the link to the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GR8BoZr5pc
It's not even hidden, it's right at the top of that shit.

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>>46680333
This one?

>> No.46680775

>>46680461
Proof?

>> No.46680796

>>46680602
based

>> No.46680905

>>46680461
>camila is creeping under my bed
I'm scared swarmbros

>> No.46680982

neurotards mad vedal is better

>> No.46680986

Camila come ruin my sleep schedule and relationships by leading me on and leave vedal alone. You could also add some sexual teasing while you're at it.

>> No.46681033

Holy shit I just saw camila from my window
How much time I have lef

>> No.46681038

>>46680905
You must have a very large bed frame then.

>> No.46681160

no wonder vedal dev stream = 2x more viewers
vedal is more entertaining as a vtuber than neuro
we want that turtlussy

>> No.46681172

>>46681033
its ok i dont think she can fit through and get in

>> No.46681217

>>46681160
What's with you homos always being obnoxious.

>> No.46681260

>>46680775
>Proof?
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1785155663?t=04h26m52s

>> No.46681270

>>46681217
They can't talk about it irl or their parents would disown them, so they use 4chan as an outlet

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>>46681217
The numberfags who play virtual football talking about what he should do to optimize his NUMBER are a really weird mainstay of this place.
They aren't really malicious or anything like most of the numberfriends, but it's a funky lil phenomena

>> No.46681519

>>46680461
Nah, the shondo collab is a chance to win even more favor with Fauna, which is more valuable than Zack's loli hateboner
>>46680602
If Neuro wasnt there in the Anny collab he would've spilled so much spaghetti

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>>46681260
>doesn't even know who she is
>looks up
>moves on without saying a word
Good job, you wasted my 3 minutes.

>> No.46682070

>>46681856
He made it clear that he would agree she's a pedo and skip the video if there's lewd loli content in her likes, he checks her likes and then moves on, i mean it's pretty obvious what the implication is there.
You'd have to have Neuro-tier comprehension to not get that.

>> No.46682140

>>46680429
>i bet camila has an overeating disorder due to being abused.
My guess, as an armchair psychologist, is that she's not actually a bad person, and doesn't have a particularly traumatic childhood, it's just that she's always been around bad role models and doesn't know how to form genuine relationships.
Imagine if, all through school, she hung out with a bunch of mean girls, who were always starting drama, gossiping behind each other's backs, bullying the skinny girls, stealing each others' boyfriends, etc.
Perhaps her mother only married her dad for the money or something, and so she sees relationships as purely transactional and has some self-worth issues as a result.
Ironically that would mean that putting on a mask and becoming a vtuber is easy for her, and it gives her an audience of people who validate all her worst tendencies, as well as a direct financial incentive to chase clout and start drama.
It would probably be really hard for her to now escape the pit she's dug for herself, and I fear that she's only got better at manipulating people and dragging them into that pit with her.
Fortunately Vedal seems to be smart enough to have finally worked out that he's been played, but the rest of her fans are probably happy to continue enabling her in these socially destructive behaviors.

>> No.46682161

>>46682140
I hope Camila was and continues to be abused.

>> No.46682226

>>46682161
I think you need more help than an armchair psychologist can give, sadly.

>> No.46682240

>>46682161
Based

>> No.46683070

>>46681502
both numberfagging and managerlarping are a long standing /vt/ tradition

>> No.46683129

I saw Camila at a grocery store in London yesterday. I told her how cool it was to meet her in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother her and ask her for photos or anything. She said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”. I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but she kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing her hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard her chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw her trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in her hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Ma'am, you need to pay for those first.” At first she kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, she stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, she kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

>> No.46683251

Neuros tight cunny

>> No.46683459

>>46683070
But for the most it's not even close to what you see here, BRO VEDAL COLLABED WITH X INSTEAD OF Y AND STREAMED ONLY FOR 6 DAYS INSTEAD OF 7 AND HE GOT ONLY 5k VIEWS DURING FILLER STREAM HIS CHANNEL IS OVER!!!!! Until he makes collabs with some popular vtubers this thread is glorified /numbers/ thread.

>> No.46683544

>>46683251
I need to feel it bleeding and quivering in pain as I tear her hymen

>> No.46683999

after I fucked filian and numi they told me no one even likes camila I shoved my dick so far up numi’s ass the adhd zoomer was slobbering all over it out of the bitch’s mouth

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BASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASED

>> No.46684185

>>46684122
Transtrenders literally shaking and crying rn

>> No.46684543

I just woke up and wanted to check, is camila still a fat talentless whore?

>> No.46684558

A basic nude-sama, using a different model.
https://files.catbox.moe/zst0dh.png

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nice

>> No.46685133

>>46684122
Source stream?

>> No.46685366

>>46684558
Nice slit

>> No.46685531

>>46685133
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3npICN_cFZA

>> No.46685639

>>46684558
>no butt
why anon whyyy

>> No.46685765

Still no schedule for the week?

>> No.46685936

>>46685639
Here's a recent couple
https://files.catbox.moe/66jzc8.png
https://files.catbox.moe/ms68eg.png

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lol, Zardoz.

Also, the original message doesn't show up in on-screen chat, presumably due to the word "penis" triggering the word filters.

>> No.46686284

>>46686046
Fuck off.

>> No.46686467

>>46685531
Kek. I'm tempted to watch your chuuba

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>>46684543
>is camila still a fat talentless whore?
Talentless whore? Well don't really care about that part, but fat? Well certainly trying to boost those numbers up, if you know what I mean.

>> No.46686790

>>46686467
I only watched few clips of her because of possible Nuero collab. Apparently she did a vod dump on youtube today and it flooded my recommended.
Cunny + Funny + Cute + Based + irl loli + Unironically schizo + Tragic backstory - seems like a perfect streamer

>> No.46687033

>>46681260
>asks his chat for information
>they just say random shit and he believes them
PepperPains this is the guy I heard was supposed to have "good takes"? Holy cringe forsen knows better than listen to twitch chat. Though I guess that makes sense he is a wow player

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karaoke in <3 hours

>> No.46687227

Karaoke stream in 3 hours

>> No.46687307

>>46687033
I don't like Asmongold but basically read what this post said >>46682070
He reached his own conclusion after checking her twitter and ignored the clip because he thinks liking loli art = pedophile

>> No.46688292

Hello
I'm a time traveler.
In 2033 cunny culture is a thing and speaking against lolis is considered evil and racist. People can't choose their sexuality and blaming them for that is basically a nazi thing to do.
It's sad to see you guys still believing in the patriarchal idea of people having their age assigned to them by their date of birth. It's no different form racial segregation and holocaust. You are literally killing people.
Please educate yourself

>> No.46688295
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>>46686046
Also, can someone make sense out of this output?

>> No.46688410

Neuro Mommy live

>> No.46688428

Neuros horny mom is live.
https://www.twitch.tv/anny

>> No.46688481

>>46688292
Smartest pedophile

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Why rune stopped drawing her arts?

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Any chance she might collab with Kizuna A.I.?

>> No.46688971

>>46688723
He got burnt out and waiting for the model to have it's final form.

>> No.46689008

>>46688292
Wtf i hate lolis now!

>> No.46689188

>>46688863
Anon...

>> No.46689221

>>46680461
>>46681260
Shondo is an absolute retard.
She wants to play the ''uwu I am just a loli like other vtubers, you're all hypocrites, I don't know why people go after me'' narrative, but she can't stop saying retarded shit.
Everything about her streams is just pedophilia references, talking about her feet, sex jokes. Like she doesn't know that it's illegal to fuck kids and that she may have some backlash for acting like this. Why the fuck are you using your twitter account which is directly tied to your entire career to go like loli porn? All she would have to do here to not get called a pedo by one of the largest streamers on twitch was just not like loli porn with your twitter account, he would have gone on her twitter, seen nothing and said he didn't see anything and move on, probably even defend her and say these kinds of accusations are bad.

If I was vedal I wouldn't work with her. She has no chill and you don't know what she will say. She doesn't give a shit and will not care if she gets your channel banned.
Pretty much every other vtuber is a pedophile pandering to pedos, but they have some self control and an IQ over 40.

>> No.46689450

>>46689221
wtf i love shondo now

>> No.46689482

>>46689221
Go the fuck back you fucking tranny lover

>> No.46689540

>>46689221
chubby imp fingers wrote this post

>> No.46690011

>>46689450
>>46689482
>>46689540
Post your social media right now connected to your job where you talk about wanting to fuck kids
>b-but I am a NEET!
Post a social media account your parents can see where you talk about fucking kids

>> No.46690016

>>46689221
There's nothing questionable on her Twitter feed.

>> No.46690085

>>46690011
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>> No.46690107

>>46690011
kek literally seething
Go eat out a neo vagina you little freak

>> No.46690193

>>46690011
you sound like one of those transtrender twitter freaks.

>> No.46690237

Please dont feed the animals or imps, guys

>> No.46690287

>>46690085
>>46690107
>>46690193
Autistic tranny freaks

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>>46689221
>>46690011
>>46690287

>> No.46690831

>>46689221
I haven't found any lolicon pics on her account.

>> No.46691189

Anny WWEanon's Anny vs Vedal match on stream!!

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>>46690011
Why do you hang around a place crawling with pedophiles? You know what to expect out of 4chan yet you keep coming for more. Really activates my almonds

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>> No.46691651

Am I the only one who loves lolis but is disgusted by the idea of having sex with real kids?

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So has anyone tried crashing Neuro-sama using the Liar's Paradox yet?

>> No.46691797

>>46661032
>camilla
>is a fucking retard
Wow who could have guessed

>> No.46691837

>>46691651
No. I just like the cute aesthetic.

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>>46691780
People have tried to paradox Neuro but paradoxes don't work on morons.

>> No.46692048

>>46689221
>be adult but loli vtuber
>make sex jokes
>this means she fucks children unironically
...retardchama

>> No.46692154

>>46691651
I think 80% of lolicons feel that way anon
19% just love them and think they're cute
and 1% and also nonces but unironically maybe less than 1%

>> No.46692265

Do you think Neuro will be fixed before the stream today? I mean the retarded way she was talking yesterday

>>46691837
>>46692154
Good to know heart

>> No.46692293

>>46691651
Reasonable, given that fiction =/= reality. But it goes without saying that the reverse, anti-loli pedos, is something that genuinely happens a hell of a lot.

>> No.46692309

>>46691447
You are an autistic sub-human who is so fucked in the brain with autism that he can't even address the actual point. I have no problems with shondo wanting to fuck kids while she roleplays as a kid. My problem is that she is an idiot who will get herself banned and get everyone else around her in trouble.
You ''people'' are completely retarded. Your autism has made you so retarded that it's impossible for me to even get the point across that shondo should just chill and lay low to not get removed from every platform. This disabled autistic retard will literally die without twitch bux.

>> No.46692429

>>46692154
Exactly, but normies who came from reddit or twitter will still try to convince you otherwise so mentioning it is pointless.

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Camila is, by her own definition, a pedo
Neuro is more of a real child than any other loli as you can actually interact with her and Camila enjoyed the idea of kissing Neuro
If you believe in Camila's definition of pedo, then every person who collabed with Neuro under the pre-tense of dating is also a pedo

>> No.46692660

>>46691651
Same, when Pixiv was being spammed with irl looking 3d kids i left from disgust because i couldn't scroll anymore without seeing this shit.

>> No.46692685

>>46691780
Try asking her to divide by zero next time.

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>>46692154
I miss the times when the phase "not for lewd" was commonly used here.

>> No.46692724

new
>>46692705
>>46692705
>>46692705

>> No.46692877

>>46692520
This is the problem with shontards. You seem to understand that Camila is a hypocrite, that Neuro is a child, you understand that at the core vtubers are all adults pretending to be ages 9-17 and that all vtubers use sexual references to get views and simps. You understand all this, but because you are autistic you can't comprehend that every other vtuber is smart about it and maintains some plausible deniability. You are so autistic that you can't even see what Shondo is doing that steps over the line where twitch mods have to take action and everyone who interacts with her is at risk.

>> No.46693247

>>46692877
>every other vtuber is smart about it and maintains some plausible deniability
In other words, they are hypocrites virtue signalling

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