/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

so true

>>46633569
>EOPs: vtubers are taboo, associated with losers
>JOPs: vtubers are normie culture now
Not surprising really. None of Myth expected their wild success so I don't think they're too sad.

>>46633715
ENs had big number until last year but now they all fell off due to their laziness (honestly I don't blame Kiara for this)

>>46633569
I agree. They should be erased from the company. Have Pekora blow up their minecraft builds and shit

>>46633715
HoloEN needs to do something about its loser image so it can incline again. Less weird idolshit and more normie stuff.

>>46633569
>Even ID mogs them
lmao. delusional indofag.

>>46633569
>Ignoring Mori who did even worse.
Unicorns won.

>>46633715
>>46633821
had the potential to make something out of it, but less than that they destroyed it within a few years. an entire culture, relegated to a 'weeb' subculture of the truly prestigious 'totally not heckin parasocial' parasocial streaming culture

>>46633569
The future and present of EN vtubing is small corpos, and they're great. The Hololive name doesn't carry much weight anymore.

>>46633569

If you think 36k is bad....
Take a look at Moris latest Birthday... She can only dream about 36k.

>>46633876
That would be a great stream. Silently blowing up EN structures one by one.

The platform is shooting itself on the foot by decreasing their reach.
The world probably isn't ready for virtual idols yet.. but holoEN has been a far better attempt than what we saw from JP like Miku and shit.

After this mogging we don't need to debate the topic anymore.

>>46633876
>>46634026
what are 12 year olds like you doing on 4chan?

>>46634148
remind me, who got the gold the day after moona's showcase?

>>46634015
>She can only dream about 36k
You mean during JP primetime?

Myth decided to leech off of JP success instead of build anything up.

>>46633569
I mean, yeah.

Holo EN literally all just stopped streaming for several months with just a few random hours of content here and there. Obviously, people are going to stop caring when you show that you too do not care.

>>46634191
Here come the copebeats.
Her outfit reveal during US prime time did even worse kek.

>>46634148
where did they all go?

>>46633951
HoloEN's rejection of their actual fans and audience and attempt to become "general streamers" for everyone is what doomed it to irrelevancy.

>an entire culture, relegated to a 'weeb' subculture
Yes. Exactly. That's what made vtubing a thing, that's why we're here, and that's what we want. Catering to the normalfaggot audience would destroy the appeal of vtubing, which is exactly what happened to the once great HoloEN. Even their meaningless lore videos were kinda an attempt to cater to the perceived capeshit need in the EN audience, which was completely wrong. The less "popular" vtubing is among the general populace the better and healthier it will be. Small corpos understand that and cater to our beautiful niche.

>>46634171
I just think they should be given an ultimatum and if they don't incline, watching them being erased from Hololive would be hilarous

>>46634148
WoW vtubing really is dead in the west. It’s all sea dogs now.

>>46634340
Cover should fire every JP that brings in less money than Gura too if that's the case.

>>46634340
if cover would care about numbers like you mentally ill faggot mutliple gens would not be here anymore

>>46633664
i hope kiki becomes an hero tomorrow

>>46634180
Remind me who got the gold after Gura's showcase

>>46634148
>muh CCV
Moona VOD views after 6 montsh: 800k
Gura VOD views after only a single month: 1 million

who is getting mogged again? shows once again that ccv is worthless

>>46634148
One was heavily shilled by a ton of JPs and was also streamed during JP prime time. The other had the worst possible timeslot you can imagine. And still>>46634550

>>46634269
L, actually reverse situation.

Daily reminder that numberniggers are mentally ill

>>46633821
Explain how laziness did anything. I’m assuming you mean ina and Gura right? Their numbers about the same their merch still doubling everyone else. Is ayame and shion all of sudden the worst members in holo how about aqua and marine. Where have you seen not streaming leading to bad numbers for anyone? Kiara and Mori stream the most in myth with bae streaming the most in council why are they not inclining and saving the branch? If stream numbers aren’t affecting the numbers then what is? The branch was killed by stars and management why do homobeggars try to push this nonsense.

>>46633569
>Even ID mogs them
Dumb OP, you reveal the exploit to derail this thread

>>46634768
Gura was the figurehead of HoloEN so her not streaming when it is still a young branch killed the hype

>>46634768
They streamed a lot the second half of the year. The first half no one but kiara streamed consistently. All of the viewers left and were leaving by the time of june.

>>46633899
Yeah, they need to debut some boys who collab with big Twitch flesh streamers, that will fix their image and cause them to incline.

>>46633569
>Kiara
cmon now Anon

>>46634651
man chumbies really have no shame huh. i feel like gura could leak DM’s calling them pedophile incels and they would still find a way to cope

>>46634768
Hololive has started soft-retiring old talents to make way for new talents. Many HoloJPs dropped off in streaming time significantly, and the HoloENs are doing the same.
The only problem is there's no new HoloEN gen. They clearly thought Tempus would be merged with HoloEN and treated the same as the girls with the same success, and viewers who watched Myth/Council would suddenly become gay and watch Tempus.

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>>46635222
Literally false 60k for a surprise 3D for gura which is the one she broke the merch record with. Mori 70k 3D live. Mumei kronii and fauna 9-11k ccv median. 21k collab on baes channel. June-July had the best numbers across the board till the end of july/august when a dip happens. This dip only happens with En even showing on Covers ipo chart that overseas viewers dropped until around Gura’s return which is also around Holofes. The drop happened in july/august but Ina’s break was October while Gura’s was second week of November. Homobeggar

>>46634937
And this dip only happened after tempiss? Cover has a chart in the IPO that shows a drop in overseas viewership by 10% actually matching the graph numbers made in /#/. They’re full of homobeggars like you who try to blame everything on the girls instead of them and en management even when it flies in the ‘data’ they use

Jack in!
Numberfag, Execute!

>>46633907
>Comparing 3D to regular stream
kys

>>46636188
Hololive has not been doing that the talents just became lazy. They’ve gotten lazy but it doesn’t affect numbers, merch sales, sponsorships or members. It only affects sc because less you stream less you get but it doesn’t matter cause those are worth nothing to either side with the cuts. Laziness is not killing the branch because the shitters stream alot but they lose numbers while gura/ina hasn’t lost anything noticeable. It’s EN management and their insane amount of shilling of tempus. People are still unaware of Gura’s 3D live and it had a 90k ccv with 1.6 million views. En management is killing the branch with tempus

>>46637495
okay then, why don't we compare the 2m sub star of ID's 1st anniversary stream to a normal fauna minecraft stream instead?

>>46637495
Just compare myths second anniversary or councils first and see if she beats anyone

Go back to your containment, you mentally ill numberfag

>Kiara announces that Irys will be at her Easter Collab;
>Schizo lost his schizopost;
>Make this thread, hoping to pitch holo x holo, using a stream from almost 1 year ago;
Remember when schizos used to make funny posts once in a while? Nowadays its just sad.

why do cumbuds fall for the most obvious bait?

>>46633569

>REMINDER: Anyone who ever mentions a fanbase is a shitposter.
Anyone with half a brain knows that 2 retards in here dont make for an entire fanbase.

>>46634000
I'm sure the queen of kiwicucks and britbong fighting each other for the privilege of getting to 2k CCV is the future of EN vtubing, you fucking retard, just not in the way you think

>>46637566
>>46634148
The fact that they can beat you even once mean they're reclining

>>46637819
Why aren’t you helping kson fight slavery

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>>46634148
remember when Gura could bring in 70k people for any regular karaoke stream?

>>46638846
kek

>>46639035
He still trying, bros...

>>46634331
Retarded opinion. The JP holos are popular because they hide well the 'unsightly' aspect of vtubing while pandering to it, and appeal to both normalfags and whatever it is you want to call the ones who aren't, unicorns doesn't mean shit on this board anymore
EN fails because every single talent in Myth is a disaster at dealing with drama and presenting an united front to fans

>>46633715
>EOPs: vtubers are taboo, associated with losers
And people will fight to defend this.

>>46639358
fag in management
fag in leadership
fag outcome

>>46634768
Ayame, Shion and Aqua would have better numbers if they streamed more.

>>46633569
What not streaming does to MF branch.

>>46633569
I wonder if the anons making these threads ever get burnt out

>>46646385
numberniggers should be permanently banned from this board and a rule place to prevent number talk. It is literally offtopic