/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

kibara is based, gooba doesn't stand a chance

>>4655196
>Gura desn't even streams

Gura has mostly dead subs.

>>4655196
Superchat earnings have very little correlation with sub count and viewership.

otokibara ira....

>>4655196
And Lamy made even more with less subscribers and only a month headstart.

>>4655196
This is a shitpost, but I'll bite.

Answer is that most westerners don't even know that youtube streaming or superchats are a thing. If they know about streaming it's way more likely that they only know about Twitch. So Gura has more casuals while Kiara has more devoted fans

Personally I only stream on own3d

>>4655606
Even so, this list is the top superchat earners of ALL time. Most of them are Hololive, one of them is Kuzuha from Nijisanji.

>>4655196
Superchats are so low on the totem pole of earnings that it's neve even worth bothering with for most holos. The real money is not in SC's

She did make up for her insane amount of members.

>>4655196
KFP is super autistic.

>>4655683
I know, I wasn't arguing the numbers themselves, just saying why they are the way they are between these two

Subcount doesn't mean shit. It's all about the money, baby!

>>4655196
Only kids watch Gura. Men and women with 6 figure salaries watch Kiara.

Kiara is winning. Less cluttered chat with more superchat? Hell yeah.

>>4655196
kfp is like a death cult. if kiara graduated tomorrow every kfp member would kill themselves and they dedicate a good fraction of their income to memberships/supas.

>>4656233
>women watching vtubers

>>4655196
>Holy crap, Kibara has made way more money from superchats than Gura despite having 1/3 the number of her subscribers. How did that happen?
Gura makes most of her money from memberships.

>>4655196
She reads and responds to EVERY SINGLE SUPERCHAT and remembers all her regulars and even notices when they change avatars. This format has made Rushia a multimillionaire and the top superchat earner of all time.
>>4655708
>Source: my ass

>>4655196
It's what happens when saviorfags meet menheras.

>>4656320
This is how you can tell who's jobbing and who enjoys being a vtuber.

>>4655196
~350 hours difference in streamtime

>>4656583
That's a cumbersome way of saying "Gura is lazy".

>>4656284
>he doesn't know

*ACK* *COUGH* *WHEEZE*
faggots are stronger

>>4656775
>he doesn’t know about stars don’t tell him

>>4655360
This, for better or worse: most of her subs are HER fags, or clipcunts. Both of which don't contribute to supas.

>>4656301
She's also probably getting a decent chunk of ad revenue from high vod views as well. It'd be interesting to see exactly what the difference is between SC income and total income from all revenue streams. It'd mostly just be used by faggots to shitpost though, as can be seen in this thread.

>>4656928
>homostars get like 2 views each
wow you sure got me

>>4656320
Rushia reads every superchat? I was wondering why she of all people was on the top, seemed pretty random. But I don't watch her so I didn't know.

1. KFP is a cult
2. Gura never fucking supa chat streams so people get disheartened.

>>4657045
Rushia fucking stalks her regulars on social media. She's legit insane.

>>4655196
Let's not forget that Gura also caters to younger audiences which don't have the $$$ to donate superchats.

>>4656874
Damn, I didn't know Gura was a nip.

>>4656987
>This homo gets zero views

He sure did

>>4657082
And at the same time, if you are lonely and want attention that seems like a very attractive proposition.

>>4657082
And we love her for it

>>4657045
Rushia and Lamy spend a large portion of their streams reading SC and they recognize their regulars. Rushia also knows if you’re talking about her on Twitter since she stalks her regulars.
Their fans consist of salarymen.

>>4657084
The downsides of [cunny] outside of Sunrise Land.

>>4655196
When you give lonely men attention by reading their super chats you get more super chats.

>>4657121
Her channel actually does list her country as Japan for some reason.

>>4657082
>>4657196
Does Coco do this too or does she make a lot of money for a different reason? I see she's #2.

>>4657296
I would assume that means she lives in Japan.

>>4657351
Coco seems to be more of the meme based entertainer than GFE but she definitely chats with her audience.

>>4657045
Bitch is a fucking siren made real and to be fair I'm disgusted at how mentally ill her fanbase (paypigs) really are.

>>4657354
No, all of HoloEN does it so I'm guessing they have to list it that way because Cover is a Japanese company.

>>4655196
Chumbuds are you crying?! Are you Crying right now?!

>>4657530
Well we know Kiara lives in Europe, so not all of them live in Japan.

>>4656690
yep I have a love-hate relationship with my oshi

>>4657625
I'm pretty sure Calli is the only one that actually lives in Japan.

>>4657351
Yes, Coco also spends a really long time reading SCs. Her fans are also the ones that started the trend of donating blue (sometimes yellow) SCs during her bathroom breaks. Also, superchats used to roll in every time she did an Asacoco CM segment because they want to "buy" the product shown.
SC readings definitely make a difference.
For one more comparison, Flare ranks 10th in SC rankings right under Korone (9th) despite having half the subscriber count of Korone.
Flare also does really long SC readings which end up becoming zatsudans.

>>4657679
Turning superchats into a meme is another good way to get them. For instance when people were sending Kiara blank red SCs and when Calli was new people were bullying her by making her cry with SCs.

>>4657625
yet her channel if from japan, as others said Cover is a Japanese company and its employees have their location set as japan, it's irrelevant what their actual location is

>>4657881
I wish the people who bullied me considered giving me thousands of dollars to be a form of bullying.

>>4657889
(Very important)

>>4657174
I was watching her play Dark Souls once when suddenly she yelled "GO HOME!" at me. So that was the end of that.

>>4655196
Because Gura's fanbase is comprised of children who have no access to their parents credit cards, anon.

pity

>>4656284
Yes?

>>4655708
Maybe compared to advertising dollars, but other than SCs and memberships how else do they make money? Patreon direct donations or other non-platform stuff?

When you consider Kiara and the other EN's have only been around since mid-September last year, almost $680k is pretty solid for not even a year. The only bite is after the YouTube cut and Cover's cut she only gets about, what, $275k of it before taxes? Still a lot, but losing over $400k to outside sources has got to bite.

>>4658914
Holy shit, Sadako is a fan of Coco?

>>4658956
That's just a random nip i found on twitter

Chumbuds ate literal children.

>>4658981
Nevermind, i just got the joke.

>>4658914
of course women would watch the biggest whore of jp

>>4656979
Gooba's clips are really cute. I don't have time to watch her streams, but I've bought her membershark, and I'll throw in some supaka on her birthday. c:

>>4659074
I don't think you understand what "whore" means, retard.

>>4658999
Uhhhhh
>>4655196
SC and viewership have a weak relationship. Your content has to be geared towards SC milking. Which comes in two main forms for vtubing, GFE and Saviorfags

>>4658999
CONSUME THE CHILD
CORRUPT THEM ALL

>>4656320
So her and Rushia are glorified prostitutes. Gotcha

>>4659219
dont bait the tards pls, they unironically take it here. pls understand /vt/ has the collective iq of a goldfish

>>4659219
yes, so are all vtubers

>>4655196
Look at how much money redditors throw at stupid shit on a daily basis. They have no sense of financial responsibility.

>>4655196
>Kibara has made way more money from superchats than Gura
Gura makes more money than Kiara because of memberships. So what does it matter if Gura streams less and doesn’t read superchats? Serious question.

>>4659119
Supaka? Super... kat?

>>4659365
Actually they give people "free" awards to try and convince them to buy into the system so it gives the illusion that there's a lot more people spending money on the site than there really are.

>>4659074
ogey chang

>>4655360
Yup, wish she did some major yabe on stream to shed the fairweather tumblrite/plebbit fans

like would she even give a shit if 500,000 left in protest if she like, i dunno, said "Such a retard" in a heated stream?

>>4659523
How do you know how much money both of them make from memberships? Unlike superchats there's no reliable way at all to track them. For all you know Kiara makes more from them just like she does in terms of SC. Serious question

>>4659523
It just means Gura doesn't want to spend her time reading superchats. Don't blame her considering the types of superchats she gets.

Kiara's a hustler. I kneel.

>>4659820
Pbbt, I'll never understand how Gura has so many stupid fans like you who think she's pretending not to be an asshole. You're just hanging on desperately hoping for her to swear and you're getting blueballed. It's hilarious.

>>4659823
>How do you know how much money both of them make from memberships?
Gura’s membership is $5 and $10. Then look at my pic. She has 12k minimum subs, from just the people voting.

>>4658651
Context?

>>4655306
kek

>>4658949
merchandise, voicepacks, money from sponsor when sponsored stream etc...

>>4659887
She knew from the get go how to retain her fanbase rather that letting it go in flux like Pekora
>Usagi was tilted because everyone fucked with the unsub button every time she got close
It was like what the anti's planned for Kiara, but it was actually well executed and for laughs

>>4655196
Isn't half of her streams are super chat reading? She's numberfag.

>>4659720
This goes beyond just post rewards. Redditors do not hesitate to throw away their life savings at funko pops and chasing pump n dump scams. They get money and they immediately have to think of 20+ ways to spend it all.

>>4659929
Ok now you still need to prove that Kiara's maximum amount of members is less than 12K. How are you going to do that?

>>4655196
Fuck, what percentage of that do they get to keep? You think Vshojo technically make more money since they're just independent Vtubers that collab?

>>4655196
Bait thread and all but Kiara deserves it, half of her may streaming hours (250) were pure SC readings.

>>4655196
By begging and whining on stream so people can feel bad for you so they can give you more money. All Gura has to do is cry about Kizuna having more subs even tho she has a million and the Superchats will shoot up.

>>4659911
something something ogey rrat, something something reps, do them

>>4659978
We did all this in the number thread already. In terms of memberships:
#1. Gura
#2. Ina (surprisingly)
#3. Mori
#4. Ame
#5. Kiara.

>>4660068
>source: my ass

So is there anyone right now that could become a Powerhouse for Gen 2? Who could realistically blow Gura out of the water with an overnight-ish 4M subs?

>>4659929
That seems weird as fuck that they have to get the permission for the English voices separately, you'd think Capcom would have the capacity to say yes to that as well.

>>4659978
Nah, that's on you and your chicken fingers. They paid their money.

>>4659961
>>Usagi was tilted because everyone fucked with the unsub button every time she got close
What does this mean?

>>4660091
Actually no. Even the pic here is not made up: >>4659929

>>4660109
yea, if a big name twitch streamer moved into vtubing.

>>4660197
I'm not a Kiara sub. All these people that claim with absolute certainty that Gura makes the most money are talking out of their ass and have no way of proving it. They'd probably assume Gura is making the most superchat money too if you weren't able to easily check it.

>>4660232
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3nOHfznZOU

>>4659996
Well, off cap YT takes 30% and, I think, 50% for memberships. Then, there's the Cover slice. Wild guess would be they either get nothing - and it's just their salary, or they get, at most, an effective 5-10% once YT and Cover gorge.

>>4660041
Yes, yes, Gura has the Pewdiepie fanbase, I know. You don't need to say any more. Watching people on this site suddenly start liking Pewdiepie is one of the most depressing things I've ever seen happen in this site's history.

>>4660295
So people were planning to do this for Kiara except Kiara was actually that popular so it flopped?

>>4660291
you sound retarded please stop KEK

>>4660020
this is true but Kiara also just treats super readings as tangent streams so they take up more time from tangents. I mean it's entirely her choice and she could cut them down time-wise if she cared for that. She also has them off during larger catch-up sessions so it's not every super reading getting her SC

>>4660416
Nice arguments and source there. Exactly what I'd expect from a cumbud.

>>4660297
Youtube takes 30% for memberships as well

>>4660404
No, Kiara anti's essentially only live here and on one discord, so they blew their load early and only shaved off 1k or 2 at most, which was reclaimed practically in an evening. Also Kiara was asleep for the 1M push so her 12 hour endurance stream for the numbers turned into 12 hour endurance stream celebration

>>4660404
Nousagis like to bully Pekora anyway they can.
Kiara reached 1m off stream when she was asleep. By the time Kiara started streaming she already gained enough subs that anyone trying to do the unsub thing would fail.

>>4660488
Neat, appreciate the clarification.

>>4660277
>Introducing, totally not Fortnite's Ninja for HoloEN Gen 2: Legends!
Imagine the absolute shit /vt/ would lose

>>4660444
Regardless I think it makes sense that she's a top earner. People spend money on superchats because they can trust her to read it and talk to them, and those tangents are part of the reward. Now maybe the others do make money on memberships, but that also makes sense because when you pay for a membership you're guaranteed to get something out of it. Whereas when you pay for a superchat you're only guaranteed if it's someone who you know will read it.

>>4660511
What's up with the name nousagis, it's her fan name but it sounds like an anti name? Like a rallying cry. "NO USAGI! NO USAGI!"

>>4660068
Ina membership streams are really comfy
T. Tentacult member and a yukimin

>>4655196
poorbuddies is not a meme

>>4657463
Like streamer like fans. They're made for each other and pretty happy that way for now so good for them.

>>4660779
>Ina membership streams are really comfy
It’s funny because most people think Ina is behind everyone. But the memberships seem to follow the amount of live viewers that watch, which fits with Ina being #2 after Gura.

>>4660639
This would make sense because I am 100% certain Gura is going to do a Fortnite collab at some point. It's just a feeling I have. I keep saying it so that when it happens people will look in the archives for "gura fortnite" and see my post and think oh shit, he knew.

>>4655196
lol holokek only notice their pitiful superchat

>>4660277
>yea, if a big name twitch streamer moved into vtubing
He said for Gen 2, meaning Hololive.

>>4661066
Yes, it would have to be some big name Twitch streamer that mysteriously quit late last year and will suddenly resurface in Hololive. So it won't be anyone who's still around right now.

>>4660277
Congrats on nabbing Pokimane

>>4660973
>source: a nijifags twitter account
seems legit

>>4661211
Imagine the amount of sseethe that /vt/ will produce if that actually happens

>>4655606
>Personally I only stream on own3d
Based. I myself only watch on FC2

>>4660277

>>4661209
Kinda hoping Magnets reincarnates, but wasn't her English shit?

>>4660252
Okay, if you can provide more pics like that of votes on other HoloEN channels then we might have an idea of how many members there are. But until that proof is posted all we know is that Gura has 12,000 members.

>>4661584
Don't know who that is but being bad at English certainly didn't stop Kiara.

>>4661684
VOM's 3rd act, the actual sweaty gamer girl who habitually pulled 10+h streams

>>4661612
I don't wanna be that guy but on gura discord there are 25,000+ accounts with member role

>>4661576
Pretty sure JENMa and ENMa themselves would hunt him down like a dog

>>4661767
Oh. Didn't she get fired for breaking some rule of some sort which nobody ever seemed to figure out what that was? Unless that was made up, I don't think anyone is going to want to hire her.

>>4661821
Only if they actually have to provide proof that they're a member, that sounds like bullshit.

>>4661612
You are so far from it

>>4662132
They have a bot that requires youtube account verification but I am not so sure how creditable that is.

>>4660925
Tell me what you think the lotto numbers are: I'll choose anything BUT those.

This probably has something to do with it.
The other is the whole idol thing, part of the idol experience is talking to your fans and people love Kiara for this, I've seen her viewership increase when she goes into superchat reading which is an absolute anomaly.

>>4660068
what about jp?

>>4663127
My guess is Coco is the highest membership wise in all of hololive considering her chat is 95% green in any stream.

>>4663339
Pekora and Coco both have a lot of membership, but I think Pekora is more popular than Coco.

>>4662873
Lemme pull up another one of my predictions.
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/522385076/#522387664
That post was me. That thread was mine too, actually. When they win that lawsuit consider that another correct prediction of mine.

>>4663114
Never understood the hate for her around here. Her accent really gets me going.

>>4655196
Because Guras fans are all fucking children.

>>4657354
>>4657625
>>4657660
you guys are joking right? The knowledge of people in these split threads...

>>4663767
Wait, they're children, or they're doing the dirty with children?

>>4663903
both

>>4655196
Yet Gura is humble about her numbers and Kiara pouts about being the last in HoloEN

>>4660755
anon... 野兎...

>>4661612
>can provide more pics
It wasn’t just pics of polls. There were many ways people got estimates for memberships. The estimates followed pretty closely to the total live viewers of the streamers, particularly the more live viewers, the more members they had. But if you want to believe that Kiara has the most members out of EN, that’s fine. Not going to spoon feed people anymore.

>>4658914
>Woman
>Shit taste
It checks out at least

Gura makes the bunch of her money through memberships

>>4662302
It's a huge pain in the ass but it is effective. They basically harass you every month for a new screenshot that shows the youtube next bill date and proof of your discord name. I stopped re-doing it after 2 months becuase it was too much of a pain in the ass.

>>4664094
Gura felt awful about blowing past 1m before Korone and Fubuki because of her fanbase being horrible about it.She's humble because she has major imposter syndrome

>>4664157
That's a lot of words typed just to try and get out of posting any proof. I'm forced to conclude you don't have any.

>>4664094
I've never once heard Kiara complain about her numbers. When you have to lie, you really should step back and realize that you're turning into a villain.

>>4664196
All this for a Discord which Gura herself doesn't even use. I don't understand it, why would you want to talk to Gura's fans?

>>4664294
She was sad about being the last to 1M and having pity subs

>>4664345
i imagine for something like this, but they discuss how great gura is

>>4664504
Prove it.

>>4664541
Do your homework, there are clips about it

>>4664606
Anytime someone says "Do your homework" it's because they don't have proof and want to send the poster off on a wild goose chase so they can continue to spread lies unchallenged. If your next response is not the proof I will take it as tacit admission that you are a liar.

>>4664504
>having pity subs
To be fair, that was her reading RRAT shit i'm sure, and she can never truly confirm or deny, so i believe she moved on and accepted this
If Gura worked as hard as Kiara, Gura would be at 5M+, but maybe it's for the best she doesn't

>>4664246
I honestly never expected anyone to make the claim of most Hololive memberships for Kiara (since she has lowest live viewship and subs), so didn’t bother to save any of it relating to her. Only remember she was last of all EN. I’m also not sure if you’re trolling me or not, and if you actually believe Kiara has more members then everyone. It’s just very unexpected if not a troll.

>>4664695
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gln-E9L0U2w
Consider me the handsome and smart friend you always stole notes from you lazy cuck

>>4655360
Most of Gura's subs watch her archives unlike the others.

>>4655196
This type of shitty threads just add reasons to hate Kiara and their kfp fans.

>>4664711
Kiara is rewarded by having way more superchat money than Gura. She knows she's won. This whole thread is basically just Kiara's antis coping while the KFP runs a victory lap.

>>4664829
>Numberfags love posting numbers
>Unless it's AI beating Gura in numbers or Kiara beating Gura in SC
So.....numberfags are all just secretly cumbuddies angry their resident shark isn't first place in either field?

>>4664829
if you think a kiara fan made this thread you're retarded

>>4664898
>numberfags are all just secretly cumbuddies
Most likely because she has the highest numbers in EN. Would be weird to numberfag for Kiara, who is at bottom most of the time.

>>4664925
I don't think he thinks that. But he knows that blaming it on a Kiara fan makes for good ammo against her. Any time you see a shitty thread, just blame it on your enemy. That's the strategy.

>>4664898
Go to the numberfag thread and see how many times cumbuds bring up Gura

>>4664847
Or Gura antis looking for ways to look down on her about a fake success.

>>4664774
This is just Kiara being moé.

>>4664695
Youre such a fucking retard lurk more you spoonfed piece of absolute shit

>>4664711
Give one example of “working hard”.
Regardless, Gura makes more than this difference every month from memberships. Keep coping and moving those goalposts KFPhaggot.
https://youtu.be/Gln-E9L0U2w

>>4665139
Once you finally spoodfeed someone, they want more proof afterward anyway. For example: If I could prove that Gura has 20k members for, they would then say prove Kiara doesn’t have 30k members beating her, even though Kiara doesn’t have anywhere near that in the total live viewers to begin with. Much of this becomes absurd and a waste of time.

>>4665237
seethe

>>4655196
Anon.. The only contribution chumfags has for gura is raiding and shit on other chubas
And they still need their parents to go to toilet with them

>>4665237
>MY CHUUBA MAKES SLIGHTLY MORE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THAN YOURS
The things you retards will slapfight about.

>>4665526
I believe the reason most numberfags are all Pekora and Gura fans, is because it doesn’t make sense to numberfag for the streamers who don’t get good numbers.

>>4665618
Most of them are falseflaggers or HERfags real chumbuds never mention her numbers.

Gura has a much younger audience than Kiara.

>>4665871
OP clearly mentioned Gura, so you can’t exactly clutch you pearls when anyone mentions that Gura probably makes enough to not care.

>>4664237
How come when Botan refused to do a celebration stream when reaching like 300k, faster than any holo before her perceived as being humble.
But when Gura did the same reaching 1M she is perceived as having imposter syndrome instead?

>>4665334
Lazy retort from a fan of the laziest streamer. Whining is not considered working hard. Kiara is last for a reason.

>>4665984
Nta, but what? Can't you read?

>>4665871
>real chumbuds never mention her numbers.
That’s a ‘no true Scotsman’ fallacy. Obviously chumbuds are mixed between people who are numberfags, and people who aren’t,. Also many new Chumbuds found HER afterward, and subscribed to her too, rather than the other way around.

>>4665924
That is true and both of them are successful, yet I see continuos boasting for Kiara being above Gura in something.

>>4664237
>.She's humble because she has major imposter syndrome
So are you implying that she is not genuinely humble ?

>>4666154
>That is true
Actually we don’t know this. It’s a claim to which no proof is given. Gura and Cover know what those numbers are though.

>>4658999
Yes i did. you won't be able to stop me

>>4665924
>Gura has a much younger audience than Kiara.
That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

>>4666108
I can vouch for this. Gura has the largest and most diverse fanbase.

>>4664760

Memberships are a very iffy thing to measure. Even the Gura thing only shows a floor of 12k at a specific point in time. Why fight over this silly ratt? Just accept the superchat numbers as the base for discussion and leave out memberships.

>>4666882
>Gura thing only shows a floor of 12k at a specific point in time
Not true. You can see her member polls many times going back to the beginning. Also 12k members for Gura is just who voted (not everyone does), so it’s probably more like 20k members. Then we know that they are either $5 or $10. If 20k, that’s 100k dollars a month only counting the $5. Also Kiara doesn’t have more members than Gura because she cannot even pull that in TOTAL live viewership. She has the lowest live totals of all Holo EN too. To be entirely honest, 12k members itself is insanely high for members. It’s ridiculous even.

So is cover making % just on the SC or with all earnings?

>>4664898
>cumbuddies angry their resident shark isn't first place in either field?
Gura beating AI to #1 is a done deal. Its just a matter of time. No shrimp is "angry" that she hasn't passed Kizuna yet.

>>4667684
Its not fair to take live viewership to correlate to membership.

>>4668539
>Its not fair
It’s true though. Kiara was estimated the lowest in memberships out of all Holo EN, and it happened to correlate to her lower live viewership. Same thing happened for everyone. Why? Probably because having 30k members for example, means you will not have 3k viewers counting BOTH members and non-members watching. It’s just common sense. It’s also weird no one is making the claim for Mori having the most, but picked the lowest member (Kiara) of all Holo EN to claim the highest membership. Which took my off guard because of it being so unexpected.

>>4666108
That's why I said "real" chumbuds. If they actually watch the streams they would know she dislikes talking about her numbers so I don't know why do these so called "chumbuds" would do something that Gura despises.

>>4668885
>That's why I said "real" chumbuds
That’s still a ‘no true Scotsman’ fallacy.
>they would know she dislikes talking about her numbers
It’s immodest for her to praise herself, so others do it for her.

>>4669017
Are you saying people who doesn't support Gura are chumbuds?

>>4665281
So what I'm getting from this post is that the reason you're so angry about this is because you're a Gura fan.

>>4665470
>>4665924
It's a shame because Gura herself is great but her fanbase is like, the exact same kids who watch Pewdiepie and Keemstar and Leafy and whatever else. I don't know what she did to attract all these kids, she doesn't really do anything to pander towards them. I have to assume one of these ecelebs with a bunch of children as their audience gave her a shoutout and at that point the die was cast.

>>4666038
I think he and >>4666197 don't know what impostor syndrome is. To be fair the only reason I know is because I have watched every single episode of The Big Bang Theory.

>>4664847
No, the thread is KFP niggers being the obnoxious numberfags they are. The fanbase mirrors the streamer.

>>4669611
I know what impostor syndrome is.
I am not saying she doesn’t have it but based on the conversation flow that anon said it as if that is the sole reason for her humbleness which is dumb af.

>>4656874
GO POMU GO

How can a big number be a number that's big while it's with another number that's small even though there's another small number that's with a number big number which number number to numbers number numbers?

>>4669813
So in other words, KFP keeps winning and the antis keep losing.

>>4670243
The bigger one.

>>4670244
Lmao

>>4656320
>Rushia a multimillionaire
In yen, maybe.

>>4670429
Duh?

>>4660297
With tax, holos comes out with about 25~30% of their earnings. The math might be different with merchs if they've shouldered the initial investment.

>>4658914
Coco has by far the highest viewership of female viewers for "years" if you did your elementary-leveled reps, so she doesn't count

>>4655360
she had that perfect combo of viral clip and drama from that one 3d bitch that drove her growth early on

>>4656233
>Men and women with 6 figure salaries watch Kiara.
Why would men with 6 figure salaries watch Kiara? They already have to deal with menhera gold diggers in real life. Why would they give money to a virtual one that they can't even fuck?

>>4658914
you will never be a real woman

>>4671501
companionship.
a lot of man working in hi-tech are autistic as fuck and are chronically unable to stand for themselves.
because of this they usually end up with self absorbed driven women that treat them like dirt and mostly use them as a way to fund whatever they are interested in.
there's a bunch of failed actresses/artists/whatever that use them as a replacement for daddies wallet.
these man usually end up drifting to camwhores and vtubers to get the companionship they lack in their lives.
in essence their not selling sex, their selling femininity.

>this woman who streams and makes my yearly salary per month makes slightly more money than this other woman who streams and makes my yearly salary per month
Please reevaluate your priorities anons

>>4656320
>>Source: my ass
coco actually talked about this.
vtubers get to keep about 40% of their superchats, the rest is split between youtube and hololive.
they get to keep around 70-80% of their merch, voice packs and other things they sell.

>>4671914

40% is a very good number. What merchandise is being sold in holomyth other than mostly kiara and moris? The other 3 myths just aren't trying hard enough in both superchat and merchandise.

>>4668862

There is either a direct link between membership and liveviews or not. If yes, do prove it. Current estimates trying to link the 2 parameters sound sus as anything.

>>4672064
Mori makes music, but Kiara hasn't designed shit. Ina also designed all the upcoming mascot plushies.
https://shop.geekjack.net/collections/ninomae-inanis

>>4672064
Mori makes music, but Kiara hasn't designed shit. Ina even designed all the upcoming mascot plushies.
https://shop.geekjack.net/collections/ninomae-inanis

>>4672657
Where did you hear there are going to be mascot plushies?

>>4672064
>muh creativity!!
Fuck outta here with that shit, KFPhaggot.

>>4672624

Kiara got the voicepack and other chargoods. She's one of the most aggressive in merchandise.

>>4672689
6 month anniversary stream.

>>4672731
Ame has a voice pack too, with more content. Kiara’s is shit.

>>4672731
>source: my ass
What the fuck is wrong you, do you just say shit hoping it’s true?

>>4672768
>>4672798
Kiara is a better singer than everyone in Hololive except for Calliope Mori.

>>4672689
https://youtu.be/gKL9xv2VykM&t=4783

>>4672768

Kiara got those original songs too, they generate money.

>>4670244
If you call that winning... Whatever floats your boat.

>>4672816
So you are just delusional now? This is just embarrassing.

>>4672821
https://youtu.be/nnXBSUSJfd0 Watch this girl I stead. She's Ranmai Theater

>>4672816

I love myth and the jp holos a lot but they aren't my first choice when it comes to vsingers.

>>4655407
See Prism Project

>>4672837
If they weren’t awful, maybe. No one else like her fucking voice, period. Except delusional KFPhaggots, but you already pay her directly to stop her from whining so who cares.

>>4672881
What am I supposed to see about them?

>>4672902
Oh eat shit, every HoloJP member that collabs with Kiara talks about what a great time they have with her and how much they like her voice.

>>4672768
she's about to have another one.
releasing a free voice pack could actually help everyone since a lot of people in the west have no idea what a voicepack is.
releasing the charity one for free basically lets people try it and buy her (and the other girls if they end up making one) future merch off the good experience.

>>4661855
They all want that BWC after all.

>>4672816
She is literally the worst one in this.
https://youtu.be/I1cdQp5uz5s

>>4672926

While I don't doubt kiara did a great job. No holo would ever criticise another holo that way. Not in this agency.

>>4672943
Burger with chicken?

>>4672926
>every HoloJP member that collabs with Kiara talks about what a great time they have with her
You are aware that is the equivalent of saying "thanks for the collab". Do you honestly think they would ever trash another holo live on stream? Small tip: Not only listen to what they say but also what they do. Everyone says "Let's collab again!" but check how many from them all collabed with Kiara twice. Not many. Subaru is just a very nice girl but Watame wanted Kiara to get closer to Mori.

>>4672926
It’s painfully obvious why Kiara is a failed idol.
>>4672962

>>4672962
>>4673060
Wrong because Ame is the one who ruined the song by singing the word "down" too early at 2 minutes 54 seconds. Unlike you seethelords I don't even hate anyone from Hololive but Ame really fucked that one up.

>>4673045
Any JP holo given the option would jump at a kiara collab. Its all upside no downside.

>>4673045
By this logic Pekora must be a real piece of shit considering nobody has collabed with her in months.

Next you're going to tell me how that's somehow different.

>>4673088
Doesn't change how awful Kiara’s voice is. In fact it only proves how bad she is in comparison to Ame, who doesn’t even consider her self a competent singer.

>>4673127
Actually it does change it, cunt.

>>4672962
Suisei alone mogs all of them, and that is not even mentioning Moona and a few of the other Jp girls. Whats the point of fighting for scraps?

>>4673144
Kiara sounds the worst out of all 5. Whats’s her excuse?

>>4673121
Kiara craves collabs. It's her popular thing. Pekora is sololive. That's her thing. Doesn't make Pekora any better but look more like a cunt.

>>4673127

There's this special buff a chuba gives her loyal fans that makes their singing sound better. Trying to tell a fanbase that their chuba sings badly won't be convincing.

>>4673165
Take it up with this delusional retard. Kiara sucks at singing.

>>4673185
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Just as predicted.

>>4673097
If you think so.

>>4673185

Leave the world top vtuber out of this shytposting. She's worth all of holomyth several times over.

>>4673196
Not even KFP believe that, why would I bother talking with a falsefagging schizo?

>>4673196
Was there a point to getting so mad at a post you screencapped it, aside from revealing you're a dirty phoneposter?

>>4673165
I love Moona’s singing, haven’t heard much of Suisei yet. I like what I have heard from Sora too.
https://youtu.be/Jr3Z9qtBk7k

>>4673222
Read the thread dude.
>>4673185

>>4673097

>>4673237
Check this out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2Idpr4y7uk

>>4673206
You should watch some streams from time to time to get to know the things you pretend to know.

>>4660310
Well he said funny nigger word I don't know what else I was supposed to do but fall in love with him.

>>4673237
>haven’t heard much of Suisei yet.
you're in for a treat

>>4673237
Look at Suisei channel or the karaoke clips, she is pretty great. I like Towa too for her deeper voice and Watame also has a nice voice. Risu also has a great singing voice. I like Gura and think she is pretty good, but unfortunately apart from her te rest of the ENs are mediocre singers

>>4673279
It was definitely better than the original, I only wish it was a link to her video so I could show my support. But I figure it’s probably unarchived due to copyright. I was already a fan from her design alone, so I guess I need to pay more attention to her now.

>>4673309
Welp, if we've learned something from this thread, it's that Kiara being a bigger superchat earner than Gura really gets to you and all the other antis. You immediately flood in here with all the astroturfing. Any KFP who really wants to rub it in would be wise to keep bringing up Kiara's superchat earnings in future threads. It really gets these antis pissed because there's no good counter to it.

>>4673375
Yeah, it was unarchived sadly

>>4673375
Here's another thing that will make you like Suisei even more, she actually designed her model herself. She is a very talented individual. I also can't get over how well she plays Tetris, everyone else immediately clams up because they've got to focus but she keeps talking calmly while she's dropping blocks at lightspeed.

>>4673449
She was kind of an indie before being a Holo right? I remember she struggled a lot in the beginning

>>4673369
There is no fucking way you think Gura is a better singer than Calli.

>>4673508
Do deadbraps really?

>>4673398
Did you already forget about March, when KFPtards kept bragging about one specific month. Completely ignoring that Cali already had $100k more in total.
>today I will remind them.
>actually, monthly is more indicative of the current standing than total
Then April happens:
>*crickets*

>>4673398
Instead of giving any counter argument to talk about it, you went with the "Excuses, excuses, excuses. Just as predicted." route. Now calling me an anti. It kinda disappoints me a bit but maybe I was wrong assuming you weren't KFP.

>>4673562
Cope. This is an all-time chart.

>>4659214
Destroy the child*

>>4655196
And yet she still whinges about her numbers. Does Kiara really?

>>4673449
I did know that part, thats actually how I became aware of her design and really came to appreciate it. Knowing that she developed it on her own and negotiated her complete ownership of the design.

>>4673605
Yeah, I really grew to respect her for that, specially since vtubers were kind of a new thing at the time

>>4673592
Yeah we know, you didn’t seem to care when you kept saying Kiara had the most superchat out of EN because of one month. Every time someone mentioned total you all said Monthly was more important. Funny how your tune has changed, now you just want to claim a shallow victory over Gura after getting mogged by Cali again and again.

>>4673605
>>4673647
It also shows you what a cool and great company Cover is, that we were so open to negotiating with her about it and they were completely okay with her using her old model.

>>4673699
>we were
Coverchama...

>>4673674
I don't even have to read your post because you used the word mogged. Using fucking Twitch streamer lingo on 4chan? Good grief.

>>4673713
You did read it because it was one of the last things I said retardchama.

>>4658999
We did and you cant stop us now

>>4658999
>>4659154
>>4659214
>>4666238
>>4673768
So is anyone going to explain to me what that post is a reference to?

>>4655196
You guys are so fucking newfags.
No one mentioned that Gura passed the entirety of January and 2020 by doing the Ina's treatment (not reading them all), she started slightly reading them in February and then Kiara gave her the final blow in her self esteem and started reading them normally.
So of course Kiara has an huge gap on her. Heck the fact that Kiara hasn't Rushia/Coco's levels of SCs is pretty fucking sad, they don't even try unlike her.

>>4655196
Holy fuck that is a ton of cash now if you add that to the ad rev I bet that's a fuck ton of cash.

>>4673713
The only thing that has changed since March, is that KFPtards are now bragging about being second place.

>>4673806
>Rushia
>Not even trying
Newfagchama

>>4673806
>Heck the fact that Kiara hasn't Rushia/Coco's levels of SCs is pretty fucking sad, they don't even try unlike her.
Why do you have to lie this hard, it's already been established multiple times in this thread that Rushia and Coco are two of the hardest working in all of Hololive.

>>4673806
The difference between the top 5 and Kiara is astronomical.

>>4673783
Lurk moar

>>4673868
Holy fuck no wonder dragon mom gets all those new models.

>>4673868
All five of them have also had multiple years head start over Kiara. For Kiara and, let's be honest, Calliope and Lamy, to get this close in such a short time, is truly impressive.

>>4673699
Yeah, shit on Cover all you want but they can be ok sometimes

>>4673868
mori and kiara in the top 20. The pride of holomyth.

>>4655407
>Superchat earnings have very little correlation with sub count and viewership.
but they have a lot of corilation to how long someone streams

and kiara has streamed almost 50% more (in hours) then gura. infact in $$$ per hour streamed no one in hololive except for mori is close to gura's income

>>4658914
Now one with timestamp and board, on actual paper in the photo

>>4673951
Rushia and Coco both debut in 2019 with a much smaller audience. If you multiply what Kiara has made by years it’s still not even close.

>>4673988
No one is going to all that work just to please some incel.

>>4673951
Kiara has a access to largest audience yet and still doesn’t make nearly as much monthly.

>>4674051
She has over $600,000. I guarantee that's more money than you've ever held in your life. Just keep posting bitterly about how mad you are that someone you hate is so much more wealthy than you. Because it's okay when you do it, huh?

>>4673951
Kiara has a access to the largest audience yet and still doesn’t make nearly as much monthly.

>>4658651
Yeah, that sounds made up.

>>4674078
You sure you don’t mean OP living vicariously through someone else’s bank account, desperately trying to cope with Gura’s sub count?

>>4673971
Gura definitely makes more per hour.

>>4661821
I'm willing to bet a huge chunk of her members aren't in the discord. i am a member, i know about the discord, i use discord, i am not in her discord.

there was that numberfag who used member poll votes and vid likes with some statistical modeling and combing her stream comments who estimated she had something like 30-120k paying members though he believed the most likely number was probably somewhere between 40-80k

personally i think its probably higher then 80k if she has 25k in the discord

>>4657551
>haha I just donated all my paycheck to Kiara how will Chumcucks ever recover? Absolute state of KFP

>>4674215
Don’t even bother, as soon as they lose logically they feint the moral high ground and start calling everyone seething numberfags. This thread is the epitome of moving the goalposts.

What's with all the cope in this thread

>>4674336
After being called out as ‘Pity Subs’ for the past few days, KFPtards are trying to manufacture a win. It would almost be sad if they weren’t so despicable.

>>4655196
Gura's subs are children.

>>4666197
> t.doesn’t know what imposter syndrome is

>>4674378
I was talking about Chumkeks coping.

>>4655196
Good for her, she needs to learn from rushia if she wants to start earn real money though

>>4674430
I believe in Kiara. A vtuber's fanbase is a good reflection of their long term potential.

>>4672816
The absolute state of Holo EN only fans

>>4673121
You completely missed the point. He’s just saying that if a Holo says something on stream, that doesn’t mean they actually mean it. Sometimes they just say something to be nice to each other.

>>4674423
1st place doesn’t need a thread like this proving their worth. This is a conciliation prize for last place. Gura makes more from memberships and makes more per hour of streaming, this thread is meaningless. Let me know when Gura needs a thread as pathetic as this one.

>>4674423
>CHUMBUDS CHUMBUDS CHUMBUDS
Why do you want chumbuds' cock so much?

>>4656874
Big PP power...

>>4673971
It gets worse when you consider how much off-screen work all the others do. Mori has released multiple albums; Kiara has made two songs and runs HoloTalk; Ina has made entire professional art pieces purely for promotional or personal purposes; Amelia puts the most effort bar-none into developing new stream tech with OBS tricks and scenarios.

Comparatively Gura does what? She shows up to stream for a few hours with obviously no prep and has done a few collab projects. She's living the high life and getting the big bucks for it.

Just occurred to me, all these people shitting on Kiara for being in "last place" yet if you asked anyone here they'd tell you Pomu is the best of the three and she is also in last place. There is no correlation between popularity and quality and I've lost count of how many times I've seen people bring up Justin Bieber to support that point. So really, it's well known that Pomu is amazing even though she's in last, and it's well known that Ina is amazing even though she's tied with Kiara for last. You ask around here and NOBODY will deny this. So I would think twice before shitting on Kiara because you are really just asking for karma to make you her bitch.

>a whole thread of shitposters falseflagging and baiting each other
You did this for 12 hours, you faggots really need a new hobbie

>>4673508
Calli isn’t that good desu. She sounds like an amateur

Suisei is singing, to the anons who wanted to check her out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGj0re0whzA

>>4674018
And yet “she” did bother to post a picture of herself. Oh wait, it’s actually just a fake and you’re larping as a femanon

>>4674843
>can’t even admit Kiara is last place.
Such cope.

>>4671914
>>4655708
>>4659952
I keep seeing that cope from people trying to say SC aren't that important, but it seems completely baseless.
>merchandise
Merch is mostly bought by dedicated fan, between the middle men cut and the overall cost of production, you'd see everyone in the street wear those if they were to reach SC numbers in value. Vtubers in the 200~300 viewers range often lose money on merch, while the bigger Holo certainly make money out of it, there is not a single chance it even come remotely close to SC
>voicepacks
Same, mostly from a few dedicated fans, vastly overestimating the revenue from that
>sponsors
those are pretty rare and very inconsistent, some Holo never get any
>etc.
etc what? Youtube ad revenue? There's nothing else aside from SC really. You can count memberships but those heavily correlate to viewercount.

SC are still the most important

>>4675191

I'd like to think mori and kiara get lots of money off their original songs....

>>4656690
Gura spent most of 2020, and a chunk of this year, in a chair that was physically harming her, playing the most absolute shit 15 dollar kusoges. She's been playing far more now that they have Capcom permissions and a chair that isn't killing her. She probably won't be beating Kiara anytime soon, but she is improving.

>>4673806
The hilarious thing is Kiara was directing that at Ina, but Gura was so sensitive about it that she took huge offense. Now Gura is better off, and even Ina will acknowledge donations far more often now. I pray Gen2 has a Kiara of their own, if they need one.

>>4675236
>The hilarious thing is Kiara was directing that at Ina, but Gura was so sensitive about it that she took huge offense
Not really an offense, she just felt called out. The fact that she started reading SCs way more after that episode means that Kiara's remark made her reflect on herself I guess. As long as she's fine with reading them I'm happy.

>>4675191
According to Coco they get about 30% of SC. Kiara claims she pays about 50% in taxes, so she has made about $100k in SC. Basically, Gura has made more from SC after taxes. She literally gets more from less, kek.

>>4655196
>Kibara

>>4675435
I bet she deducts her expenditure too. That includes all those charsongs and stuff.

>>4655196
-streams every day for many hours
-does long entertaining superchat readings
-cultivates personal relationships with her donors and willingly roleplays and interacts with them
-makes sure to make a big deal about every possible thing, and makes up big events out of nothing sometimes, rather than downplaying or glossing over milestones
-does not paywall her best content or have the misfortune to have her best content as unmonetizable due to copyright

Basically she works really works and focuses on those aspects of streaming which would lead to cultivating an active donor base. Gura, because of volume, makes close to the same amount with 1/10th of the focus on that aspect. Gura almost certainly blows past her on ad rev, memberships, and sponsorship rates.

>>4664541
Return to whence you came, redditor.

>>4675191
>>merchandise
>Holo certainly make money out of it, there is not a single chance it even come remotely close to SC
>>voicepacks
>Same, mostly from a few dedicated fans, vastly overestimating the revenue from that

check purchased number in >>4659952
Patra made $509k with ASMR
also pic related, Marine made $161k with just one single merchandise.

>>4675191
>>etc.
>etc what? Youtube ad revenue? There's nothing else aside from SC really. You can count memberships but those heavily correlate to viewercount.

concert tickets if you're JP, and don't underestimate how much Youtube ad can bring. See pic. This is your mid tier Niji girl.