/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>Uno again
Are they fucking braindamaged? Incapable of learning??

>>46545522
Every stream in that schedule is a banger. Wish she did this every week

All this tells me is that Kronii has a second clique she vibes with.
It always seems to be with the same Mori, Magni and Vesper, just like how she always had her SNOT clique, and Mori has this clique + CHAD.

>>46545604
This is the early uno stream that was rescheduled because kronii had no jaw

I dont care about male collabs. That 5D chess with Ame sounds amazing though. Just watch what you like 5head.

still never watching your homos (or kronii)

How are you lot still not used to it yet? Anyway IRyS x Altare deflection thread.

Also will SNOT all get on Minecraft at the same time like the good old days?

>>46545522
finally HoloSalt returns, can't wait for some ear bleeding kino

YABBA DABBA DOO

>>46545714
What happened? I don't mind the boys but fuck Altare, fucking commie fuck.

>>46545645
>SNOT
kek. Kronii never gives a shit about SNOT.
>1 collab with Fauna
>1 collab with Gura
>rarely collab with Mumei
>no SNOT collab for months
compare that to Vesper and the squad

>>46545714
>Irys x Altare
QRD?
If it's the illustration then nevermind don't bother replying

>>46545714
>le funny promotional image
Didn’t need 800,000 threads over that shit.

>>46545825
But we defo need this thread, right?

>>46545845
No, so blame OP for being an enormous faggot.

>>46545777
I think he is refering to the holomeet art, anyways, Hololive wants to be niji, jump ship to production kawaii, being a holofan is just cuckhold fetish at this point.

>>46545645
>SNOT
When was last time she collabed with any of them? Kronii doesn't care about them. The only person she cares about is Vesper because she's a fucking WHORE!

>>46545522
>UNO
>5D Chess
Good schedule. Been waiting for a chuuba to play 5D Chess especially

>>46545522
>Le male collab
Forced drama. Nijisanji is in literal shambles and this is all the deflection ammo you got? Pathetic.

>>46545812
She hangs out with all of those girls offline. She went to universal studios with Gura ffs.

I think she collabs with Vesper and Magni because Mori asks and for all of them it always creates huge viral moments.

>>46545904
>a FUCKING image

>>46545906
>Kronii doesn't care about them
>called in to Bae birthday
>called in to IRyS birthday
>called in to Fauna birthday
>all while recovering from surgery

>>46545906
Uhhh

>>46545906
Bro your Feminity is leaking lol

>>46545906
>Last collab with any of them
>Literally collabed with Fauna a couple days ago in the group collab.
>>46545812
>No snot collab for months
>Because Gura isn't around for months
Hmmmm.

>>46546063
really makes you think huh?

>>46546020
you will never be a man and you're too fat to wear the tempiss boxers

Reminder that Gabe was right.

>>46545982
obligatory collabs doesn't count, imagine if she skipped this one? would be an even worse shit show.

>>46546151
>Asks for when the last collab was
>Was provided with one
>It doesn't count
Yeah, figured this would be the route taken. Why even bother.

>>46546151
Gura skipped it just fine.

>>46546231
Gura isn't going to collab with Homos on her return week

>>46545669
They still should do something different. It's not as if they have a contract with the devs.

>>46546270
She should.

>>46546317
so true sister

>Braaap

>>46546317
What purpose would that serve?

>>46546305
>do something different
Why? What if they wanted to play uno?

>>46546349
best post itt

>>46545904
One of the kawaii girls is at this very moment oon a several month long vacation in europe funded by her fans
You need an ntr fetish to enjoy kawaii

>>46545777
They're together on A POSTER!!!! END OF WORLD! THEY HAD TO HAVE SEX A ZILLION TIMES BECAUSE OF THAT!

Or the Managers just dragged some PNGs onto a background.

>>46546147
Eat shit, gabe.

>>46546355
Forcing people like you out of the hobby would be a start.

>>46545957
>She went to universal studios with Gura ffs.
I'm sure you have a source for this claim

>>46546478
Invest in a mirror.

>>46546565
If you watch hololive streams as opposed to getting off of bait threads, you'd know

>>46546405
Yeah I saw it, it's nothing.

>>46546147
> moved from clock to a coomer chuuba with a confirmed bf
roru
rumao

Finally actual good EN stream

>>46546565
kill yourself /mans/nigger

>>46546720
> watching EN VTubers
sorry, I have standards
and I guess you made that up

>>46546349
most sane anon ITT

>>46546827
kek. i love this faggot

>>46546405
>hmm no one seems to care that i was on the poster together with males from holostar
>maybe it's ok to collab with them?
>let's try out!
boom

>Unicornfags's best attempt to keep the boys away from collabing with the girls is just bitching about it all day
When can I expect these spineless fucks to finally do something concrete?

>>46546874
>the girl that said she isn't interested
>suddenly because of a fucking poster, she's going to change her mind
At this point I'm more willing to believe that the real "homobeggars" are the ones that create these kinds of scenarios in their heads after being explicitly told that she wasn't interested.

>>46546789
I'll take that as a "no"

>>46546827
Savage anon can't recover from this

>>46546912
you're too stupid to see that there is nothing we can do about it

>>46546912
damn, feds have followed /pol/fags over to /vt/ huh

>>46546874
So this is what inside the cuck mind

>>46546961
you should definitely go tell everyone that Kronii didn't go to universal studios with Gura, base all your arguments on it next time lmao

>>46547102
I unironically enjoy NTR shit so yes

>>46547159
Good for you bro

>>46546912
There is no point in doing something concrete, all you can do is drop her, if she stops because something happened it means she is just scared, and actually wants to collab, it's a matter of trust, you can't force people to be trustworthy.

>>46546775
Idk who that chuuba is, but I'd rather move there too than watch an obvious liar.

>>46546377
Ha ha, good one, anon.

>>46546874

>>46546063
fucking retards aren't even trying anymore KEK

>>46545777
>fuck Altare, fucking commie fuck
QRD?

>>46547269
That counts as something concrete. And the sooner (You) do it, the better. Get the fuck out of my oshi's chat.

We can't stop losing, bros...

>>46547427
"The cause" i think

>>46547431
I'm never there, dropped her 6 months ago, I only shit on her on every relevant thread.

>>46547427
supports trans rights
made some offhand comment about "capitalism"
all of his acquaintances are SJW dramafags from Twitch
he's a faggot

>>46545522
I hate that my oshi is like this
She's spoiling us with a full week on her return but then she does a male collab right away which she knows is the one thing the kronies hate

>>46546874
Beggars were told by IRyS directly (albeit politely) to fuck off. To assume this was done due to perceived backlash wouldn’t make much sense if the abundance wasn’t any different prior as to now.

>>46547581
Should've expected it after the Karaoke. She had to sweeten you guys up before she knocks you down like she always does, except she couldn't do a collab with Mumei since Mumei is gone

If you're still somehow a Kronii gachi after like the 7th time, that's on you for being retarded.

She does NOT want you as a fan.

>>46547614
it's become a real pattern at this point

>>46547532
Kronii's personal egg or orcschizo, eh?

>>46547532
>Assuming she reads the thread
Something concrete, anon. Something CON-CRETE

>>46545522
Not watching her, stop trying homobeggers

>>46547616
this, if you're still her gachi then you may subconsciously enjoy the feeling of getting NTR'd
welcome to the dark side

>>46545522
art source? thanks

>>46547703
can you read faggot?
I said I don't see any value in doing anything concrete and I also don't care if she reads threads or not, I speak what I feel for myself, not for others to read.

>>46547775
https://twitter.com/TokiameTaka/status/1642180019521835011

>>46546912
What needs to be done? Everyone forgets the homos exist without mori throwing them a bone every few months. Even most of the faggots in here that only want them to collab out of spite won't do the bare minimum of giving them a view to encourage future collabs. Beggars haven't gotten the remaining holdouts to change their minds and it's gotten to the point even the hugbox communities are telling you to fuck off.

>>46547892
they are still getting the hatewatch views, Kronii is still on the almost Mori level, once she goes full Mori it can never go back.

Anyone here have the membership video clip of Kronii where she said she wouldn't initiate Collab with males?

>>46548014
https://files.catbox.moe/8684g7.mp4

>>46546147
Gabe is an Eienchad now

>>46548044
well that was a lie but we already knew that since her roommate's new years resolution/rant

>>46548205
we knew that was a lie the very next day

>>46548044
>not really twitter becasue I don't really use twitter that often anyway
>literally immediately after this stream she responded to vesper's underwear
Will never not be funny

>>46546775
>He thinks kronii is single
CLOCK KEKS LMAO

Seeing this board continue to seethe over cocks months later is always a confidence booster. You guys are hopeless lol

>>46548617
>Seeing this board continue to seethe over cocks months later is always a confidence booster. You guys are hopeless lol
t

>>46545522
Kiara and three Nijis were super entertaining when UNO didn't work for an hour and a half. Will this group be able to do the same?

>>46548617
Seeing people ok with this gives me dread, cuckholdry is being forced into men as acceptable behavior and will lead to humanity downfall even faster than predicted.

>Is that a stinky old oji-san?
>YABBA DABBA DOO VESPER-SAN LET'S COLLAB

I almost feel bad for clockkeks.

The funniest part of this is now that the stock went public we have an opportunity to observe the damages that male collabs cause to Hololive; in real time.

>>46545522
Here we go again

>>46548977
Anon you can rest assured that nothing Kronii does has any impact on Cover's stock price

>>46546305
>Hololive girls
>Not playing the same shit over and over
How new?

>>46548658
>>46548728
>Projecting
I watch streamers purely for entertainment you imbeciles lol. It's your own fault for feeling anything more for some internet personality, worse even, a woman pretending to be an anime girl. You should have stuck to regular anime. Get fucked kek

>>46548066
>Seethes about clock woman interacting with males
>Seeks out actual whores instead
I with the lot of (You) would fuck off like he did

>>46549116
> entertainment
then you have no say in anything being said here, doesn't concern you at all and doesn't affect you.

>>46549116
wtf i love lying whores now

>>46548066
HOLY FUCK HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>46549229
I love watching (You) faggots bitch about something that equally doesn't actually affect (You), but (You) pretend to be mortified anyway. And I laugh even harder at the ones who are serious

>>46545522
Kill yourself

>>46549229
The lack of irony of this post makes it better.

>>46549435
you just don't have enough mental capacity to understand how things affect people differently, I can totally see your side, I have enough imagination to make a hypothetical scenario where I don't see her as a person and just a channel, you don't have enough brain power to do the opposite, lacks empathy and hypothesis rendering, normal for sub 70 IQ people, brainwashed cucks and SEA monkeys.

>>46549617
Honestly you sound like a complete loser anon

>>46549617
You sound like your entire life is kronii and that puts you below anyone else even in your 300 IQ hypothetical scenario shit.

That's a lot of streams.

>>46545604
You have no sway over her.

>>46549617
>IQ talk
Bruh

>>46549730
>>46549774
Doesn't change the point even if true.

>>46549116
>I watch streamers purely for entertainment
LMAO and this what you watch? a bunch of dull women larping as anime girls? you must be some mouth breathing zoomer simp or a failed normie in absolute denial, either way you should have tried harder to get real friends or maybe a gf now you are stuck wasting your time watching women for "entertainment" lol get fucked.

>>46549863
I'm sure he doesn't
But the fucked up Ubisoft servers assuredly do kek

>>46546147
Lmao, go back to grooming your 2view with a bf Gabe

>>46549971
>>46549971
The unicorn screams as it tries to drag you down to their level.

>>46545904
>a fucking image makes falseflagger seeth

>>46550053
He got a point, watching this for entertainment is even sadder than catching feelings, you have no excuse.

>>46550110
you have t understand, vtuber fans are battered wives, they got betrayed too many times, the slightest signal is enough to trigger PTSD

>>46545906
anon, ur discord sister identity is leaking

>bait thread started by an ESL OP
>gets an idiom wrong right out of the gate

You guys make it too easy at this point

>>46546377
That's not up to them, that's up to the Ubisoft servers

>>46546775


I don't watch any of these people so I don't know what this conversation is about, but I just wanna say that a girl could be getting her back blown out every day working as an unironic prostitute - and it still wouldn't matter as long as she knows how to treat her viewers right in her streaming gig.

>>46550053
It's a sad existence
>IF YOU'RE NOT IN LOVE WITH THIS 3DPD LARPING AS AN ANIME GIRL YOU'RE DOING VTUBING WRONG AND ARE A KEK

>>46550233
he says as he adds another reply and bump

>>46549116
Vtubers arent entertaining idiots

>>46551410
Oh they're entertaining idiots alright...

>>46551234
What's even sadder is when someone shits in your mouth, you eat it up and ask for more.

>>46551234
that's not even close what's being said.
He said if you're not in love with the vtuber (a.k.a. you're a normie) you have no reason to watch this cringe shit.

>>46551541
>You can only enjoy streaming/vtubing if you're unhealthily in love with the streamer
And this is why you guys are pathetic. This is all just glorified simping, it's like we're back in the mid 2010's

>>46546270
>return week
Anon, she already quit again

>>46550116
No it's not

>>46551894
It is 100% simping, you just now realized? who would send money to girls they aren't simping for.

>>46552066
People send gifts/donations to streamers they find entertaining too

>>46552151
Not true, if it's just entertainment they do the opposite and pay the least amount possible.

>>46552275
It's called gratitude, anon

>>46552151
Yeah, and when you got wifegoggles on, every little thing seems that much nicer and interesting.

>>46547159
I kneel king

Idolshit was a fucking mistake

>>46552626
Feel free to go back.

>>46552626
Homos was the actual mistake, if they didn't debut you either wouldn't watch or you would be at my side.

I thought you guys like tempus.....

>>46545645
It's always the same because mori always invites the same people
Why are you dumb?

>>46552775
none of the homos have done anything wrong though, every problem you have with them is on you and your own schizo narratives

>>46549971
>a bunch of dull women larping as anime girls
But I thought that's what vtubing was for.

>>46546393
Sava again? I sure it hasnt even been a year

>>46552736
General content creation predates vtubing and general vtubing predates "idol" vtubers. Regular artists predate the Japanese "idol" concept in general as well. (You) don't even have anywhere to go back to (except maybe regular anime, where you should have stayed) because idolshit was crafted to take advantage of the loneliest fucks, dangling a pretty face in front of you to throw money at.

>>46552895
They existing is already something wrong they have done, their existence alone is enough to fraction the fanbase and invite drama, an analogy would be a restaurant opening a meat dish on a vegan restaurant, someone going there for the meat isn't doing something wrong but just from allowing it makes people who go there for the vegan shit hate the place.

>>46551894
>unhealthily
No one watching vtubers is healthy

>>46553134
You're the one creating the drama, retard

>>46553134
Both could easily be resolved by just ordering and eating what you came to the restaurant for you fucking drama queen

>>46553098
nobody cares about your chronology bullshit, what matters is we were here first.

>>46553134
unicorns truly do be the vegans of vtubing

>>46553215
Yes because I dislike what's happening, that's why should have never done that, invites drama.

>>46553134
>their existence alone is enough to fraction the fanbase and invite drama
this comes with the territory in content creation/streaming/anime/gaming/girls, so a fractioned fanbase and drama rampant was always bound to happen with or without guys.

Keep in mind, most of the drama you're talking about is started/contained here, the average viewer and unicorn doesn't know know or care.

>an analogy would be a restaurant opening a meat dish on a vegan restaurant, someone going there for the meat isn't doing something wrong but just from allowing it makes people who go there for the vegan shit hate the place.

If that's your analogy it's a bad one because
1. Vegans are vegan for moral reasons, not out of taste and subjective culinary tastes. You don't like streaming girls/idolshit for moral reasons, you like it because it's fun and entertaining
2. Even if they were vegan out of taste, that's still a problem with them and not the restaurant because no one is forcing them to eat the meat. If having an item on the menu pisses you off, that problem is with you for being entitled

>>46553258
You may wanna reread your post buddy

>>46545522
Those same 4 people again?
Has Mori ever collabed with any of Tempus2?

>>46551894
I'm not love with nor do I watch vtubers. But if these women want to larp as anime girls to earn money. They must be subject to restrictions . I hate women ruining anime.

>>46552492
That's what chat and commenting on YT are for
And maybe, if you're feeling particularly melancholic one day, you send a $5 dono saying "You've given me free entertainment for five years so here's paying back all of that!"
That's most streamer donos, the kind of money many vtubers get from that source is a large anomaly in comparison, which is why they dominate the SC rankings.

>>46546270
>on her return week
So May?

>>46553134
>le food analogy
Get better material you hopeless faggot

>>46553431
>a fractioned fanbase and drama rampant was always bound to happen with or without guys.
100% false, I can guarantee you this doesn't need to happen, look at Kronii fanbase, where unicorns got along with troons for a whole year without much issue, they were both proud to be kronies and be considered the same fanbase, now is all ruined, people I knew from the fanbase hate me for being a unicorn and vice versa, and we interacted for a whole year and we were almost friends.

>>46553098
>General content creation predates vtubing
Sure; which begs the question of why you don't just watch Markiplier or something instead of stinking up places like this with your presence.
>general vtubing predates "idol" vtubers
Dumbass, it was 'Cute Anime Girl does XYZ' from day one. Whether it was clips of Kizuna Ai parroting engrish swear words while playing video games, or clips of Miko saying nigger while playing video games, or clips of Fubuki singing scatman, or all the other breakthrough memes that made the phenomena blow up in anglophonic internet. The 'Cute Anime Girl' part is not disentanglible from the essence of the thing as such.

>>46553473
Bullshit. What a content creator does, if they have a fucking spine, shouldn't be dictated by the audience. They do a thing, you join them for the ride if you like what they're doing until you no longer like the ride

>>46553134
They hated him because he told them the truth
Homos are just creeps with an avatar, not unlike your regular fan.
They dont belong next to the girls, people like that should be confined to a chat box.

>>46553705
I was wondering when the next CGDCTfag would show up. Vtubing is not the same as anime you imbecile. They waved an anime avatar in front of you and you fell for it

>>46553884
Its also the truth and you have no counterargument.

>>46553884
>Vtubing is not the same as anime
and they should have been, or being the closest thing to it

>>46553134
god you have too much estrogen in your body. dont you have a job or something to keep your mind busy?

>>46553935
The counter argument is "Just don't watch that particular stream" you fucking retard.
It's like finding out your favorite ice cream shop introduces a mint flavor but you hate mint so you fucking rage at them.

Just don't fucking eat it you autist.

>>46552275
It's mostly a function of how much attention the streamer gives to donators. Gender has little to do with it

>>46554005
Nah, I have too much testo, getting bald at early 30s because of it.

>>46554091
>"Just don't watch that particular streamer"
FTFY

And indeed, they don't.

>>46554095
gender absolutely have everything to do with it, that's why top earners from male donors are women and top earners from female donors are males.

>>46545522
She hates her genmates doesnt she?

>>46554175
That's was also always allowed.
Are you going to stop bitching about it as well or is that asking too much?

>>46554260
Only when you stop getting upset over people calling a spade a spade.

>>46554365
You're going to have to clarify what "spade" is an analogy to.
Is it "chuuba who sometimes collabs with males"?

>>46545522
You know what? I give her a lot of respect for still putting out a scedule, When she comes back she cames back for real

>>46554628
Im circling around the irony of how Mr. Imnotasimps such as yourself always seem to spend so much time and energy defending the honor of their ladies(platonic) from justly merited shittalk.

>>46545629
Ok tranny, don’t you have some estrogen pills to take or something

>>46552626
Go back

I honestly think the worst part about this whole picture is the chess part.

>>46545522
As expected

>>46554874
I forgot that I'm only allowed to like people if I'm trying to fuck them.
>merited shittalk
Ah, so you were just pretending to be retarded?

>>46554978
If they have never played it before and are going to try it for the first time just for fun it will be a fucking disaster.

>>46545522
People will say
>muh kronii’s viewership didn’t drop cause of tempus
And then they compare kronii to the other hololive girls, forgetting that kronii was getting a bare minimum of 10k ccv on every stream and upwards of 20k on buff content, now a days it’s a miracle if kronii gets past 6k
>inb4 muh vtubing is less popular now
And yet none of her genmates have seen a similar drop in viewership… just kronii (and mori as a matter of fact, mori was also a top tier holo in terms of viewership and now at best, she’s middle of the road)

>Braps

>>46545522
>jp collab with males all the time
>official art is full of girls + males
>EN unikeks still seeth with rage when a male is mentioned

Dont you get hololive is male+female company, because these streams just make the most money and get the most views. Also I guess they dont want the incel audience.

>>46554091
Nope, it's more like the ice cream shop decides to only sell mint flavor for days randomly for no fucking reason so yes I will complain and call them retards.

>>46555299
Anon vtubing is less popular now and you can't deny it

>>46555299
People will say
>I don't care about numbers
But you know that even though everyone hates numberfags and wants nothing to do with them they are all secretly very upset about numbers.

>>46555299
She was getting 5k streams even in October 2021 when she played her obscure indie games

>>46555451
If this is a shop which usually sells only one flavor a day and cycles through them then you are in fact a fucking retard because one of the days happens to be mint now.
And also probably a complete fatass from eating so much ice cream.

>>46555451
You should blame the cookie dough ice cream for not being available

>>46546912
>>46547016
>>46547269
>>46547892
you know i always wondered why unicorns think that yelling into the void achieves anything when theres another, much simpler way to do a lot of damage to male+female holo collabs.

just commission porn art of them and post it on their art tag (or draw it yourself), the more you post the more damage you'll cause because it is bound to make their relationship extremely awkward and trigger their fans.

mori and kronii specifically asked before the males debut to not ship them with tempus, but they cant really control that other than asking so it will 100% get under their skin eventually.

just saying

>>46555662
mori is getting horse porn now
I think she will survive

>>46555719
shes probably into that, but shes not collabing and having a professional relationship with horses now does she

>>46555120
Nice reducto ad absurdam.
Thing is livestreaming is an inherently parasocial activity. That's no less true of flesh streamers too, male and female. The degree of interactivity between streamer and community is part of the essence of what distinguishes it from other forms of media. And naturally it's a continuum.

If you think there is a problem with this, then the only answer for you is to move on to greener pastures. And if you do work through this medium, then you accept that degrees of success with fans on one hand inherently comes with degrees of emotional investment from those fans on the other. One thing leads to the other; one thing essentially is the other. This is one of the greatest strengths of the format. Something that it can provide in ways that other forms of media don't.

Some have a hard time understanding this. There is fundamental immaturity on the part of status-signaling tertiaries; they want to see the success that comes from fans getting invested, but don't want to bear any responsibility for that investment.

>>46555662
Pretty sure at this point, Kronii is interacting with the homos as an act of spite against these kind of screeching unicorns. Doing this kind of 'sabotage' might actually embolden her even more and keep in mind the unicorns aren't exactly in the majority here so be prepared to fight a long fight against countless casual/normie fans of her.

Shes back? I didn't realize she went anywhere.

>>46555719
shes probably into that, but shes not collabing and having a professional relationship with horses now does she
just imagine how akward it would be if you had a female coworker and someone made deepfake porn of you and her and you both saw it

>>46556083
it doesnt matter, even if she does it only to spite unicorns it will still cause discourse within her fanbase. normies will only fan the flames.

>>46556083
Or they have fun playing and streaming together and everyone involved is easier to schedule things and work with than a group like SNOT

>>46555557
Ok cuck you can keep choking on homo cock, I only entertain 1 food analogy per day.

>>46556033
See the issue here is that you assume parasocialism inherently has to be romantic.
You are the one fantasizing about relationships with streamers, getting attached and even becoming "exclusive" with your favorite one, and expecting reciprocity even though you know she has thousands of viewers.
Entering this one sided contract that was never acknowledged or agreed to by the other party and then getting upset when they "break" it is just you being a complete fucking retarded autist.

If a streamer is trying to sell GFE explicitly you can be upset about it, but assuming every single vtuber is doing GFE and then getting buttblasted when something to the contrary shows up is so incredibly fucking dumb.

>>46548728
You can't even spell cuckoldry correctly with spellcheck's help.

>>46556083
Kronii is doing this because mori invited her and she doesn't want to turn her down.
Everything else is a rrat.

>>46556359
>See the issue here is that you assume parasocialism inherently has to be romantic.
I explicitly outlined how it wasn't. You are the one who was evincing this assumption with your reductions.

>>46547616
gachi =/= unicorn

>>46556419
Then there's no problem with male collabs

>>46556456
And there you go again. You just don't get it.

>>46556419
No you fucking didn't.
Unless you meant it by "emotional investment" because, once again, the only emotion you are capable of having is anger and arousal.

>>46556496
Yeah cause you're not making any logical sense

>>46546270
>return week

He doesn't know

>>46553134
How do you know someone is a unicorn or a vegan? Don't worry; they'll tell you

>>46556551
>>46556600

Let me put it to you this way. Yumejos don't like it when 'their' men interact with females (see the vox/reimu situation for example), and unicorns don't like it when 'their' girls interact with males.
You are left in the weird situation where there is noone who is actually a target audience for co-ed collabs; just people who will grin and bear it to support their oshis and hope to quietly forget about it afterwards. There is no major demographic that is actually tapped into by it, who will show up there specifically because of it, rather than in spite of it, or irrespective of it.
It simply doesn't make business sense. And the only people who crow about it are people whose real oshis are twitter and social media; they don't actually watch streams, they just look for whatever is the latest plane to crash with no survivors.

>>46556900
I agree with that but people who don't care if males are involved or not, who are the majority, just want top see good content and someone who provides it.
And secondly vtubing is not a strictly business transaction. Because the parasocial element you yourself mentioned the chuuba has to be comfortable and enjoy streaming or it wont work.
Forcing them to avoid people they like because fans will turn on them is not a healthy mindset for them to be in.

Forcing Kronii to skip a mori collab because of that is the issue.

>>46557321
nobody is forcing Kronii to do anything, people are just rightfully disappointed about her choice to keep going in this direction.

>>46556900
You realize that the previous mixed collabs did better than HoloEN's big April Fools collab, right?

>>46556397
Sure it's one of the reason, but she keep doing it despite the angry antihomos, so I'm pretty sure she get kicks from pissing them off at this point and also >>46556281

>>46556220
The discourse here is pretty clear for everyone to see, for fans and non-fans alike, that she simply tolerates collabing with males. It's not going to make her lose tons of her current fans or anything. Sure there was the broken promise I guess, she took some hit in her credibility but that's it.

>>46557404
>nobody is forcing her
>we are all just putting on as much pressure as we can in order to influence her and don't mind resorting to any underhand tactics as long as we get the results we want.

Ah sweet schizo thread. Now this is more like it. keep it up!

>>46557465
youd be surprised how many people dont concern themselves with it until it slaps them in the face, its like how normies are annoyed dealing with shippers only that smut is a lot more annoying for them. and besides it doesnt need to lose her fans just cause her a headache and drama to deal with

>>46557465
Can you explain to me how just because some people are raging at something that doing that something is now done for the reason of pissing them off?
Are the two choice caving in to demands and doing it out of spite?
Why the false dichotomy?

>>46546912
Kronii reclining merch sales?

>200+ posts
>not even 100 IPs

>>46557667
>Not the first post from this IP

>>46546775
Didn’t he move in from Floozie too after that was found out?

>>46557440
you do realize that the same happened when Mori was yabbing with NTR stuff right? and see how her numbers are now, the damage doesn't come immediately, it's even a buff because of the sisters and the hatewatchers but once she gets flagged as a homo property she can never change that, Kronii is still lucky that she goes for long periods of not collabing and people keep giving her chances, but eventually the good will will run out, can take a yar but she will get the Mori effect, specially if she goes for it for the numbers (bait).

>>46557667
>some people dare to post in a thread more than once
ogey

>>46557529
that's all in your head, I already dropped her long ago, even if she does exactly what I want I wont watch her again, but I'll shit talk her every time she does something I dislike.

>>46557529
Here's a good example >46555662. Eh... I liked it when vtubers weren't pretending to be special and were just like regular streamers, but wackier... no one cared about muh males and other dumb shit. I blame 4th gen for bring in the kissless weirdos.

>>46557767
Her numbers are fine when she's not spamming Persona 3 Portable

>>46557840
>I already dropped her long ago
>but I'll shit talk her every time she does something I dislike
rent free

>>46557902
nowhere near what she was the first year, both mumei and fauna are over her and that was impossible back then.

>>46557321
>but people who don't care if males are involved or not, who are the majority
*Extremely* debatable statement.
You hear from the people who are bothered a lot by it; you don't hear from all the people who are bothered to some degree or another but also don't bother say anything.
>And secondly vtubing is not a strictly business transaction.
We can grant this premise.
> Because the parasocial element you yourself mentioned the chuuba has to be comfortable and enjoy streaming or it wont work.
And likewise the responsibility to be considerate of the feelings of those who would be supporting you.
The consistent theme throughout your argumentation is the attempt to rationalize having your cake and eat it too.
Let's be real; not everyone can be cut out for this. Success is the exception, not the rule. Some have what it takes, and many don't.

>>46545522
Please andastand this is the only way for Mori to get numbers

>>46557959
Fauna plays Minecraft in prime time and Mori plays Persona 3 Portable at 6AM eastern time, not really comparable

people still watch her?
man the vesperoniis are real

>>46558209
HOLY COPE

>>46558024
Okay but the chuuba is not responsible for all of her viewers being comfortable.
She can't be. All she can do is be comfortable herself and let her base form around that.
Kronii never sold herself on being GFE. She was always a doomposting zoomer, shunned valentines day and her ASMR attempts were authentic and not coomer bait.
I can understand how you can just assume she will be unicorn friendly but once it became clear that she wasn't it's fucking baffling to me how "betrayed" they felt and if it was a deal breaker not just moved on but keep making threads like this.

It's perfectly possible to be successful in this field and not be unicorn bait.
You don't have to tailor yourself perfectly for the lowest common denominator and try to get your numbers up as high as possible. In fact if you do you will probably burn out the fastest.

>>46558413
did you even see her merc?
body pillow, boob pad..., AMSR whispers voice pack...
for someone who says she's isn't unicorn hoe friendly, she sure wears their uniform and sells their merch.

>>46557440
That was actually interesting, because you would expect that after a collab fanbases go and check out the streams of the other people in them, right? That's part of the whole point of a collab. But they all pretty much saw zero incline in their first solo streams after that (that weren't SC reading, in Magni's case). In fact there's a mysterious 5K difference who tuned in for the collab and then fucked off afterwards. Normally it's the opposite - totalling up solo streams should give you much more because of fanbase overlap. The rubbernecker hypothesis is the most plausible by far.

>>46545522
is this like the third time with a collab with her beloved vesper in recent months? why is anyone even surprised at this?
>go on break
>come back
>tempiss
>go on break
>come back
>tempiss
see a pattern here? if you're a kronie and still made about this then maybe it's time you give up on her like I did.

>>46558617
Talents don't really get a say in most merch options.

>>46557641
We'll see I guess. She might pull a Towa whose past male yab has long lost its power against her current prestige, or become the first case of a holo who horribly crumbles down due to homo connection.

>>46557650
Well spite doesn't have to be the sole reason. You can do something that you genuinely like while purposefully pissing off the person who told you to not to.

>>46558743
If you gave up why are you here in this thread?

>>46545522
>UNO with Vesper again
it's getting tiring to spam YABBA DABBA DOO now honestly.

>>46558779
What? lying on purpose now? all talents hand pick their merch and even go on long talks about the reason they do it. Kronii just went with "do whatever sells" but she definitely could pick what she wanted.

>>46545522
ya baa
da baa
Doooo~

>>46558822
It seems like he wants to know if other Kronii viewers have noticed the pattern he described.

>>46558674
Anon it's a VN stream...

>>46558854
the faggot lies as normal as it's second nature to them

>>46558795
>first case
we got Bae, Ame, Mori already. even JPs crumbled from homo collabs.

>>46558674
Check out any other streamers, since I assume you haven't. Collabs are about just having fun and only a tiny fraction of them lead to any growth on a smaller channel. "fanbases going and checking out the streams of the other people" is never a thing since it mostly doesn't work. /#/ are really dumb, most of what they spew is just headcanons that suits their agenda, just like this post.
>>46558854
Were you born yesterday? boob pads and all that stuff is meme weeb merch, it doesn't imply any gfe garbo.

>>46546147
This guy has to be the most cucked vtuber fan by now, he simps hard for the notFauna chuuba who sells porn of her and her bf. The inner workings of a schizo's brain are something else.

>>46558854
>could
Yeah, could.
They handpick some merch, other stuff gets put in by management.
Kronii was so out of it between surgery/holofes/traveling that she had no idea what any of her birthday merch even was.

>>46558674
this was after the Japan yab which had nothing to do with the Kronii shit lol

>>46558897
Why, does he need confirmation?
Is he having second thoughts?

>>46546147
what a hero.
may he go down in EN history as the autist who knew.

>>46558950
>>46559018
>lies
>changes subject when exposed
>says it doesn't matter anyways
>moves goal post
The more fallacious and desperate you try, the more it exposes your bad faith argumentation.

>>46558911
It's a really good VN, though. And that was part 1, so frankly picking that already is a bit unfairly weighted, later ones drop to 1.3K viewers.

>>46559143
they are faggots for a reason, i mean they are lying to themselves from birth, now lying to others is as normal as breathing to them.
total homo death is the way.

>>46558947
Eh, sure those three holos took some hit because of homo collabs, but imo their decline is more of because of low and inconsistent stream quality.

>>46559143
>everyone I don't like is one person
I made one funnydumb post earlier in the thread and now made another since this garbage thread is still up. Keep labeling everyone as your boogeyman while justifying your out of place anger, I'm sure it'll work out perfectly in your favor.

Does Vesper not get tired of constantly trying to get pussy? like, I get that having sex gives you pleasure but you aren't fucking the 2D model, you're fucking the degenerate autistic girl behind it. Most of them aren't in a relationship because they're too retarded and parasocial to start one, if they were fully functioning members of society then they would've gotten a more stable job instead of playing the role of an anime women to cater to weebs that haven't felt the touch of a woman in years besides their mom. Another point of why he keeps trying to fuck them is the aftermath of the sex, like, you have to lay there and listen to their ramblings, like what perfume they bought, what some random bitch said about her, what her view on fashions are, and so much more. Add the post-nut clarity and you just feel like absolute shit going for these women who need to be literally babysitted so they don't go full menhera. But I'm talking about a guy who did the same thing those women did, become a vtuber so he's probably just as degenerate, autistic, and retarded as them. Oh well.

>>46546305
you gotta understand anons are as brain damaged as their oshis and only have short term memory, they don't remember the multiple instances of that game failing to work as intended because ubisoft can't program a good netcode for shit, perhaps they actually like how their chuubas will not test troubleshoot the game at all during the week and will only do the minimum attempt an hour into the stream before switching to a different game like monopoly that will also disconnect a player an hour and a half into the game...
it's like we're all in purgatory looping eternally the same scenario over and over again...

>>46559143
>posts unverified rrats
>you can't say my unverified rrats aren't true! That's just cope!
ogey

>>46559374
>most of them aren't in a relationship, they are totally autistic lesbians
Uhh.... Too good lol, too easy

>>46559061
That has nothing to do with Kronii, it's more an observation on how anomalous the Tempus collabs are compared to typical collab behavior. I really do feel like people are tuning in more because they don't want to miss out on some potential male-female 'yab', the same way EN handcam streams used to get huge numbers because of the chance of the vtuber doxxing themselves. If they were really interested in them they should be going to at least one of their solo streams.

>>46559604
Their solo streams are a completely different type of content compared to those collabs

>>46558795
Towa is not really comparable here though, part of the outrage against her wasnt only the male yab it was the fact she lied that it was a manager and cover said it was not.
its also not comparable because whatever guy it was that made a sound on towas stream is not someone she supposedly has a professional relationship with.
if people commission porn of kronii and vesper it will eventually create an awkward relationship between them because they are officially not a couple, like in the deepfake example >>46556220

>>46545522
oh finally, an Ame collab.

>>46559018
What? Fauna has literally stated every bit of her merch was something that she wanted. She made sure every bit of her merch was something that she would use, the management doesn't choose the merch for the girls.

Kronies won't put the males collab on their thread OP

omg i can't fuckin stand anime characters who wear masks like covid zombies. it's fucking annoying brainwashing shit garbage
Sony recently did some buy in to Hololive. I wouldn't doubt it if it turns to shit. It already is on it's way. No i'm not a nijifag. Never watched them once, I watch smaller indies. Bigger vtubers are so fuckin cringe most of them so fake and retarded makes me wanna puke

>>46561094
Kys anti-science retard

>>46559374
>Trying
You mean succeeding

>>46559067
People share their ideas and perceptions online for various reasons. According to a study by Meltwater1, people share online because they want to better the lives of others, want the content to reflect their online identity, want to grow and nourish relationships, like the feeling of having others comment on it and engage, and want to spread the word about something that they believe in.
Another study by Social Media Today2 identified several main reasons for sharing online including bringing valuable and entertaining content to others, defining ourselves to others, growing and nourishing relationships, self-fulfillment, and marketing causes or brands.
The New York Times’ research revealed that people also share as a means to make and maintain connections3. Specifically, 73% of people share online to meet others with shared interests and 78% share because it enables them to communicate with people they otherwise wouldn’t stay in touch with.
In short, people share their ideas and perceptions online for various reasons including self-expression, self-promotion, social interaction, entertainment, information sharing, and activism4.
Received message. People share their ideas and perceptions online for various reasons. According to a study by Meltwater, people share online because they want to better the lives of others, want the content to reflect their online identity, want to grow and nourish relationships, like the feeling of having others comment on it and engage, and want to spread the word about something that they believe in. Another study by Social Media Today identified several main reasons for sharing online including bringing valuable and entertaining content to others, defining ourselves to others, growing and nourishing relationships, self-fulfillment, and marketing causes or brands. The New York Times’ research revealed that people also share as a means to make and maintain connections. Specifically, 73% of people share online to meet others with shared interests and 78% share because it enables them to communicate with people they otherwise wouldn’t stay in touch with. In short, people share their ideas and perceptions online for various reasons including self-expression, self-promotion, social interaction, entertainment, information sharing, and activism.

clocks are cucks lol

Jesus Christ this thread is a mess
>I don't like collabs with males
Don't watch and shut the fuck up, nobody cares about your complains
>I like collabs with males
Watch and shut the fuck up, nobody cares about your big "own le unicorns" moment
It's just that simple ffs

>>46561319
>anti-science
kek, you're a fucking idiot. Your "science" changes based off the current narrative they want to feed you. The covid advisor for the white house now is even saying that masks don't work. Get ready to shove your face in your ass and accept the new science.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXoPImyCbDQ

>>46558413
>Okay but the chuuba is not responsible for all of her viewers being comfortable.
Certainly, but...
>She can't be. All she can do is be comfortable herself and let her base form around that.
There is a wide gap of daylight between that and 'dont bother trying to please anyone'.
I think there is a classic aphorism that comes to mind;

Patient: "I feel like I am putting on an act when I interact with my son."
Psychiatrist: "Yes, and he is very grateful for it."

In other words, the performances people engage in ('the mask'), are not simply something that 'conceals' a deeper good civilization that is 'hidden'; they are good civilization.
The magic might come more naturally to some than others, but it is what it is in any case.

>I can understand how you can just assume she will be unicorn friendly but once it became clear that she wasn't it's fucking baffling to me how "betrayed" they felt and if it was a deal breaker not just moved on but keep making threads like this.
I'm not sure how exactly to put this, but, most people aren't like boolean switches of on or off. If they see some things they like and get invested in one way or another, they usually aren't going to just turn around and drop it at the first whiff of foul air. But they still didn't like it, and they may as well say so too. Many people are willing to tolerate biting into a lemon seed and having their mouths filled with bitterness, as long as they can spit it out and finish the rest of the lemon square.
There's only so much anyone will take though. Finana's implosion is a instructive example of this. Even if they liked the lemon squares that were being served, they'd still like them even better if the chef didn't keep putting seeds in them.

>It's perfectly possible to be successful in this field and not be unicorn bait.
I think the term 'unicorn bait' is being used very disingenuously here, and i think that this touches on the crux of the proceedings.
Look at any big time vchuuba girl. Look at any one with 5k plus ccv. Look through any general thread dedicated to them. *Every single one* has goslings. *Veibei* has goslings. They might not think of themselves as that even. But affection can come in many forms you know? All of them, are someone that lots of people found were someone they could get invested in.

To think that this doesn't happen or can somehow not happen is unrealistic; to think that it is *bad* for this to happen or that it is something you should in some way *stop* from happening, well, refer back to the Finana situation. No happy endings for anyone down that road.

>>46559323
that's cope and you know it, bae is the most consistent streamer in council and she is constantly coming up with new stream ideas, her design is top tier, and in spite of what people say, the average person actually likes australian accents so it's a buff (people say it isn't cause it's an easy way to make fun of her, but objectively, aussie accents are popular), her low viewership is exclusively because of holostars, Bae was even positioned to be the leader of council and their equivalant of gura... and yet she shot herself in the foot during her debut by saying she wanted to befriend everyone in cover, including holostars. In addition, Kronii, Ame and Mori are hardly the least consistent EN hologirls in terms of stream quantity/quality, so if they really did decline because of that, you'd expect everyone else to see a similar decline but they didn't, mori and kronii went from being in the top 3 holoEN girls (viewership wise) to being middle of the road at best, and bae/ame are now at the bottom of the barrel in terms of viewership, kiara consistently outperforms them nowadays

>>46561976
Her ideas suck and, no, most people don't like the accent

>>46561884
Suisei forgotten

>>46562018
google it bro, australian accents are literally one of the most popular accents on the planet, you are unironically retarded or just trying to shit on her if you disagree, there is 0 debate here, you're just salty if you disagree. besides there's way easier stuff to shit on bae for like her crappy viewership, and considering 99 percent of people who shit on her accent just dislike the homo collabs... wouldn't you prefer the narrative where her crappy viewership is the result of homos and not her accent? like... wouldn't that push your narrative more instead of just blaming her having one of the most popular accents on the planet?

>>46561976
>her low viewership is exclusively because of holostars
funny considering she collabed with them the least outside of mori and kronii or even ID. her lower viewership is mostly because shes not a fotm type of streamer and she streams mostly for fun rather than min maxing her viewership

>>46562073
Suisei is actually someone I had in mind as an example. Doing her own thing doesn't mean she is not mindful of her own image too, nor does she spite her fans, and is open about accepting that people will gosling her if they like.

I liked vesper the most but after finding out he is an oppositional defiance disorder afflicted schizo, I just can't watch him anymore. Everything he does is to spite someone or something else. It's a pathetic way of living and I understand now why he lived out of his car for months..

I know you guys are upset for really fucking gay reasons nobody cares about, but I think my issue with Kronii's schedule is that it's boring. I wish she played better or more interesting games. I'd be so much more interested in watching her if the game choice was just better.

Good 'ol

>>46562824
I watched him at the beginning when he was playing fun games like FTL but lost interest way before the whole Japan meltdown arc. Seems like it only went downhill from there

>>46545522
>Monkey's paw
What is the downside? Everything seems good to me.

I like this group, should come up with a nickname for them.

>>46555662
Heck, you don't even have to spend money for it. AI fucking exists

>>46556900
The exception of course being the people who tune in to watch ironmouse and Connor flirt for the majority of thier streams, that seems to have a pretty dedicated audience of shippers

>>46555662
Commission your fetish art yourself, cuckbeggar.

Fucking kek the jannies didn't approve of that anons porn commission idea very much, now did they?

>>46545522
>Uno
So 30 minutes of trying to get the game to work, 5 minutes of playing before someone gets disconnected, and then 3 hours of Monopoly?

I can't believe the png I want to stick my dick inside is going to exist next to a png I don't want to stick my dick inside! I am very outraged (and normal)!

>>46555451
Lmao this nigger acting like he's gonna die if he isn't eating his favorite metaphorical ice cream every day.

I don't get it, what's the issue here? Isn't Kronii a lesbian? Who cares who she collabs with?

>>46562340
ok except during her debut, she said she wanted to become friends with all of holostars, so she shot herself in the foot from the very beginning unlike mori and kronii who had an opportunity to grow their fanbases before turning around and pivoting the type of content they make, so no one gave bae a chance in the first place unlike mori and kronii, hence the low viewership from the very beginning, even sana regularly outperformed her and she barely streamed at all

>>46564339
semi off topic but that shit is so weird, i understand shipping anime characters or female streamers who have fun with the idea of being shipped and very casually flirting with each other, but shipping two people who could potentially end up together in the future is just weird to me, like with hololive it's more lighthearted because no one expects them to acually start dating each other... but ironmouse fans actually want connor to start having sex with her which is just weird to me, and that's without factoring in that connor is a real person and not an anime chuuba, which makes it 10 times weirder to ship him

>>46565177
get lost newfag, besides, it's common knowledge that every woman on the planet is bisexual, lesbians are just straight women who haven't gotten enough dick in their lives, and basically every straight woman on the planet is also slightly attracted to women and has experimented with them at least once

>>46558991
I oshi a chuuba with a bf too and even I think notFauna's situation is too much to cope with.

>>46563852
This is why I really liked him. The /vg/ style gamer vtuber seemed so cool. What a mess.

>>46549971
...he said, while believing that he is in an active loving relationship with said dull women, and that said dull women see him as something more than an ATM.

The paw curls, it doesn't twirl.
Why would it twirl?

Oh boy Kronii out here triggering the anti-male shitlibs once again. I love this clock.

>>46545604
wdym again? they played monopoly before dipshit

>>46554897
keep seething retard lemao

>>46557465
>there was the broken promise
The promise she never actually made, mind you. She said she probably won't interact with them much on twitter, because she barely uses twitter. She didn't say she would NEVER interact with them on twitter.

>>46565177
its funny. I just watch the streams like its 2 gay guys interacting with girls. the way Vesper talks about Magni all the time unpromted im suprised people think hes obsessed with Kronii. He only ever talks about her when someone pays him to

>>46564274
AI can't do characters interacting dumb 'jeet. That'll be $299.99 + tax + tip.

>>46548658
so kronii is thinking of kronii while vesper fucks her? kinda hot ngl.

Yes the guilt makes her wet the more she think about how much she cucks kronies the more her legs shakes

>>46561043
All of it? Every single piece?
Even if that's true for Fauna, which I doubt, It's not true for Kronii.
Go and watch her shilling her latest birthday merch.
It's clear she has no idea what it is, nevermind specifically ordered it.

>>46567438
Pretty sure Vesper is unironically a fag that only likes 2D women the same way dykes only like 2D men so it checks out

>>46545522
Mori, Kronii, Magni and Vespers are pretty much the HoloEN equivalent of Enna's clique at this point. Those 4 are just out to destroy vtubing.
Good thing nobody fucking watches Mori anymore.

>>46561884
Just because every chuuba gets goslings and unicorns does not mean she is obligated to pander to them.
Any mask that a chuuba puts on for her audience is one she must be comfortable wearing.
Unicorns still making these threads about Kronii just makes it obvious what kind of petty and vindictive people they are.
Literally "If I can't have her, nobody can", if they can't get a chuuba to bend to their will they want to force everyone else to drop them too.

>>46566395
Because people who have the /vt/ catalog as their oshi flunked English 101, big surprise there.

Isnt it weird that Mori was all about giving love to her homostars friends except she only fucknig collabs with vesper and magni
why hasnt she reached out to tempiss 2 if she loves and supports THE BOYS so much because she's THEIR DAD

>>46570840
does the ollie APEX tourney count? Bettel Hakka and Flayon were in that

>>46570295
>Dykes like 2D men.
Excuse me what?