/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

can you small corpo shitters keep this shit to your own generals? stop flooding the catalog.

Did she just kneel because of the harassment or what you think anons
?

>>46543628
>Lumi deleted the models
Lacks naked dogeza but this will do for now.

>>46543628
>Thread is focused on Hylo, you name it Lumi and phase connect instead.
>fellow anons
Oh, you aren't even being subtle about your shill status. Hope the gift card was worth it.

>>46543679
I don't think Phase connect counts as a small corpo anymore. And by the way fuck you.

>>46543726
delusional phasenigger

>>46543628
Proof that bullying retards works.
The dumb whore got nothing but lip service and had to naked dogeza as an apology to get the horde off her back.

>>46543628
>I can't believe this bitch stole my model and ghosted me
>It's all love though no hate

>>46543628
It's completely reasonable to go public when your first attempt to resolve the issue is stopped because you've been preemptively blocked by the person responsible, what is she apologizing for? She doesn't have an obligation to go searching for every possible way to privately contact the person using her intellectual property without authorization.

>>46543628

>>46543721
(I'm the op)

Looks like you can not be civilized in this fucking board anymore. I just wanted to know your fucking thoughts. By the way I think they can go fuck themselves.

I don't think Hylo's apologize is fucking honest. It's just a coping mechanism. So fuck you Lumi-anti

>>46543628
Where's the naked dogeza?

>>46543628
Always resolve everything in private. A smaller vtuber will always get shat on by the fans of a bigger vtuber if they make their issues a public affair.

>>46543769
Fair enough. In summary. She apologized, because her retarded quest backfired.

>>46543628
I would be happy to satisfy her every need

>>46543764
>It's completely reasonable
It's also reasonable to tell her to fuck off in the comments once the issue was resolved, which it was very quickly, but she still tried to milk it for attention and drama. So now she gets to pretend she wants to be friends again and the status quo is restored.

>>46543773
Hylo did nothing wrong and you are a retard. I hope Phase crashes and burns. Have a great day.

>>46543628
Phase and Idol EN both have a problem with some members being drama shitters or extraordinary leeches. It doesn't surprise me to see their fans polluting the catalog as they jockey for crumbs of clout and attention.

>>46543764
She could have contacted phase connect in a formal way to address the problem.. there is no way going public was the best solution except she wanted atention

>>46543628
you can start by fucking telling us the context of what has even happened

>>46543809
Thank you. Have a great day too anon

>>46543764
>you've been preemptively blocked by the person responsible
She's been blocked for years and she knew it. For a good reason, too.

Considering she choose to tag Phase directly and expected response before the stream even ended, she could have just as easily send a mail that's on their web.

>>46543897
The funniest is that she acts like there is no fucking evidence of why she got blocked. Fucking leech.

>>46543628
thanks for the money fishman i guess

>>46543781
Lumi isn't even that much bigger than Hylo. She just has the weight of the entire Phaseshill army behind her.

>>46543960
She will not receive a single penny. She would have to file a lawsuit that she will probably lose. And also filing a lawsuit against a corpo is not something I think she will do, except she is a retard.

And even if she tried to threat them. Don't Dorset PC against mii

>>46544012
That it's literally a part of being bigger. Being fair I myself am a cappipalist. And I watch mostly pippa and sometimes lumi or tenma

>>46543814
She isn't obligated to seek the best possible solution to having her intellectual property violated. She made an attempt to personally get in contact with the person responsible, the attempt only failed because the person responsible deliberately shut down that avenue of contact. Doing it that way was already being more courteous than she had any obligation to be, she could have opened by sending a lawyer after her, onstead of trying to resolve it personally. This isn't even something where you can be lile "oh, she didn't know it wasn't okay to do this" it was severely obvious. I still have files on my pc from when i edited for a major youtuber, I don't need anyone to explain to me that there would be serious consequences if I just started making my own videos using her materials. This was genuinely an absurdly unprofessional thing to do and she is very lucky all she had to do to resolve it was delete things.

I think you should shut up. The issue got solved for all parties now, stop fuelling it.
>but-
Shut up, it's case closed now.

>>46543628
No one cares about your irrelevant whores. Pippa is the only one that matters and she's getting mogged by a jew. Also if any relevant corpo used commercial models by someone else without permission we would be having threads all weak, be happy how fast the catalog forgot about yab connect.

>>46544012
Lumi is 10 times bigger. And Hylo has much more to loose if her simps found out her history.

Between the time Lumi used her model and the time Hylo contacted Lumi, wasn't Lumi still streaming the very same stream or am I mixing shit up?

>>46544044
>failed because the person responsible deliberately shut down that avenue of contact

We both know that is not true. You think this was a coincidence? They all have been waiting for the minimum thing to happen to try to harass lumy. Only reason she bends and try to appear like she didn't want things to escalate and become drama it's because it backfired

She wasn't blocked because of this. She has being blocked for a long time. You think lumi just forgot about hylo bulling her, Defaming her and trashtalking her on her back?

>>46543806
But it isn't what happened you fags instantly seethed for 2 days straight the moment the the twitter post was made going about how it was bad she went public see your buttbuddy here >>46543814
You're the one who made it blow more than it should and gave her visibility kek

>>46544118
Hylo's past?

>>46543930
Lumi kept someone like this as a mod and only got rid of him when CL stepped in, i would shit on lumi too
https://imgur.com/a/VuOO3t6

>>46543688
I mean yeah, obviously. but it's not like phase was gonna fire lumi over this or whatever. what else could she really have shot for

>>46544160
>She wasn't blocked because of this. She has being blocked for a long time
It literally does not matter why she was blocked. I am making no claim as to why she was blocked, it's completely irrelevant to the point i am making. The discussion I am having is utterly unrelated to petty personal drama. I can't even remember these people's names. The point is, she broke the fucking law, had no possible excuse for thinking it was okay, and as such there is essentially no limitation on the means by which the person whose property is being misused should try to put a stop to this as soon as possible. Publicly demanding it would have been completely reasonable as a first step, ANY attempt to do it privately is even more unnecessarily courteous. Please, step back from the gossipy shit and think about this as a legal problem, because that is what it is. She has every right to seek redress publicly.

>>46544160
And its lumi still seething after 1 year and using their models that made it all happen.
why didn't lumi used chapipi or pandora model? Really make one think as to why she only used models form the people in the screenshot posted above.

>>46543742
it's a roll of a dice
if your dice gives you a retard with autism, you're in for a treat

https://twitter.com/TangFox_/status/1642578925279670278?t=pHreIUEsYIedk2bMlolv8Q&s=19

>>46544284
Lmao. Hi Hylo. Nice to see you here still trying to do damage containment

>>46543773
It's okay to lie if your fucking public face depends on it. I have no idea who that hylo person is, but I'd guess they were just treating the threat of defamation seriously and with a rather cold head

>>46543930
What is this meant to prove? Is one of those people Hylo?

>>46543930
I like how Lumi fanboys keep posting like some kind of 'gotcha' evidence when it's the most nothingburger screenshot they have

>>46543628
You did it phase bros you harassed someone that wasnt in the wrong to apologize, hope this worsens your relations to other corpos

>>46544358
You are certainly exaggerating what lumi did. It was literally 2 fucking seconds. But anyways I'll give you cord. I do agree that lumi did made a mistake. However you try to justify hylo's actions because of this. When both things have nothing to do one another.

The fact that lumi did make a reckless action on stream doesn't justify Hylo's attempt to began a harassment campaign against lumi. If she really cared about the intellectual property that was used and that was her concern she would have contacted phase connect. However she didn't. About US intellectual laws. You are actually deceiving people. No laws were broken by lumi. There is no scenario in which a lawsuit would have even be accepted, because don't forget that there are 3 criteria that need to be met for it to be a crime. And 2 of them weren't.

To finish...
>petty drama

Come on. You can do better Hylo

IdolENfags need to get out.

>>46544713
Wtf do they have to do with this

>>46544518
>Run a damage control force for lumi for 2 days straight.
>Nuhuhu you're doing damage control.
Why do you retarded fuck always project? Its been nothing but the most retarded white knighting made for a chuuba who fuck rando for a pair of pants.

>>46544660
Highly doubt it will affect Phase connect reputation. Don't forget Phase connect position on the issue as a company

>>46544717
Somehow phasefags in their marvelous stupidity attacked idolEN

>>46544797
Don't project. That guy wasn't defending phase connect. He is not phasefagg. He is just a random idolen-anti

fucking hell its what, sixth thread now?
just give up, nobody cares. keep your indie shit in the indie shithole where it belongs

>>46544737
And now comes the the rats. If you are gonna talk about something at least post proof of it.

>nuhuhuh

Wtf are you talking about. Literally lumi didn't need or had a damage containment campaign because Hylo is just a retarded who thought ahe could cause drama when she couldn't. Lumi didn't even acknowledge the situation

>>46543726
>One consistent 4view
>A couple of 3views that occasionally hit 4view
>Everyone else is either a low 3view or a 2view
Sounds like a small corpo to me

>>46543726
Phase isn't even on Vshojo's level to be counted as a big corpo you retarded, delusional phasenigger

>>46543628
>Phase apologized
>Hylo apologized
Why are you still trying to keep this alive

>>46545060
mental illness is a serious epidemic

>>46545038
Wtf you talking about. Vshojo is not only very overestimate. It literally only have one good streamer ( Nazuna) and one semi respectable streamer ( Ironmouse). Everyone else is just trash that are on decline. For the end of the year vshojo will probably be forgotten. And nazuna will leave

>>46544899
Archive exist faggot its common knowledge.
>Lumi didn't even acknowledge the situation
The fish acknowledged the situation. Nice rock you slept under my friend.

>>46544952
By the way you know Hylo is not in vshojo right? Hylo...

My main takeaway from this "drama" is that I'm glad I wasn't born a woman lmao

>>46545137
That doesn't mean I'm going to spend 2 hours looking for a stupid rat that you haven't posted a single proof of.

>>46545122
>Vshojo is not only very overestimate.
The irony of this statement when Phase is LITERALLY defined by one streamer(Pippa)

>>46544899
Hey Lumicuck. How do you deal with the fact the women you've donated to over the years has a bf?

>>46545196
And that streamer is going to get left in the dust by one princely girl

>>46545181
Kek

>>46544899
>And now comes the the rats
>anon says as xe stirs up xeir own rrats

>>46545196
Two, actually. Tenma buckbreaks Fishfuck everyday.

>>46543628
Wtf happened? Feels like I blink and miss a whole episode of happening

>>46545367
Basically nothing inflated by certain individuals spamming threads

>>46545344
Picture is stupid because she would never smoke you absolute retard

>>46545182
And i'm still not going to spoonfeed a lazy ass zoomer nigger when it literally takes 2 mins if you ain't retarded

>>46545271
Well I'm gucking back after spending last half an hour looking for the stupid evidence in the archives. And look at the very interesting coincidence I found. Guess what. This rat about lumi and the pants began being mentioned the day the drama with hylo began and guess what more. There is not a single proof. And it was called out as fake in the first hylo thread.

There is not only not evidence. It is just a complete distortion of something lumi said on stream one time

>>46545367
Lumi used Hylo's model for a skit on stream. Hylo complained since she hadn't given permission, and phasefags spent a couple of days sperging out like they had been wronged somehow.

>>46545367
You actually did miss a whole episode

>>46545367
You missed a woman moment. If I say, it was ex-CL drama, would it give you idea how it went?

>>46545483
>And look at the very interesting coincidence I found. Guess what. This rat about lumi and the pants began being mentioned the day the drama with hylo began and guess what more. There is not a single proof. And it was called out as fake in the first hylo thread.
First mention and result in the archive if you ain't retarded wew

>>46543628
Looks like the dragon couldn't handle Lumi's solar dildo and bent the knee.

Really though Hylo was kind of overreacting even though technically she had a point that if Lumi didn't ask it's slightly rude/yab, but she also took it too far acting like it's her big chance to crucify loomers and bring her down - it wasn't that either, not remotely that. So she came to her senses and realized tarding out too much on her end wouldn't help her case so calmed down.

>>46543628
I do not care but Lumi is just a worse clone of Olivia. Nobody would watch her if she didn't pander to the vst crowd.

Bish fucked around & found out. Let that be a lesson to the rest of you drama queens.

>>46545566
You know that is not proof right?

>>46545776
yaaaaaaaaaaaasssss loomsister!!!!! slayyyyy skskskskssk!!!!11 nobody fucks with my kweeenn!!!! >;)

>>46545797
Cope phasetranny

>confirma her emails were getting ghosted
>confirms Lumi blocked her
>confirms Lumi deleted her files which is what she wanted
>all she said was "i should have tried other ways of contacting the person who ghosted and blocked me"
Yup, I'm thinking Lumi is still the obvious bad guy here.

>>46545797
Yes and you're still too much of a retard to find the proof in the archive kek

>>46545566
By the way. The points made in the other post haven't still being disproven. That's a weird coincidence. And there is no proof

>>46545915
>And there is no proof
Cope harder kek

>>46545900

Funny how back in the days of cyberlive Lumi would spread horrible things about her now corpo-mates.

>>46545948
I can also invent a rat from any vtuber rat know. That doesn't mean now it's true and everyone has to cope with it. If there is no proof and has a lot weird things surrounding it, it's bullshit

>This kill the lumicuck
Is lumi going to visit again?

>>46545060
Lumi didn’t apologize though.
And phase barely acknowledged it and solved it behind the scene.

>>46545367
>Cyberlive was a complete shitshow
>Things got so bad Lumi had to step up as manager
>Other CL girls had a seperate discord to shit talk Lumi
>Eventually Lumi and Yuri left to become indies and eventually join Phase Connect
>CL became an indie group called called Aetheria which also fell apart
Present day:
>Lumi uses other CL girls' old models for a skinwalker joke
>Hylo, offended by this, tries to contact Lumi on discord
>She fails because Lumi doesn't have DMs open
>Immediately gives up and takes it to Twitter
>Other ex-CL girls join in on the dogpile
>Phase Connect official Twitter responds, saying the matter has been taken care of
>Threads get made about this for some reason
>Hylo makes another Twitter post saying she's been (allegedly) harassed, (allegedly) threatened, doxed (by herself), and has her onlyfans cosplay photos leaked (she's fat, don't look it up)
tl;dr extended woman moment boosted by usual phase shill vs phase anti bickering

>two threads in the catalog
Someone's seething hard, I wonder who...

Lumi sold out her simps for a genshin sponsorship

>>46546108
>Lumifag coping
Still don't know how to use the archive huh.

>>46546203
You do realise Lumi caused most of the cyberlive girls severe trauma, leaked their personal information, leaked and anti’d in a 4chan discord server she created, made Yuri and Hylo do the discord dating thing? Why do you all bat an eye after Lumi keeps proving time and time again that she is a terrible being who does not deserve her success.

>>46545419
Ah, same as always then.
>>46545493
>>46546203
I appreciate the summary.
>>46545521
The good- I mean bad news is there will always be another one so long as our favorite content creators continue to be menhera.
>>46545523
I am genuinely grateful to be able to answer no to that question.
The last drama from this particular corner of the internet I can remember was when Lumi wanted to wear the funny hat lol.

Hopefully this all flows under the bridge as it were, so we can get back to our regularly scheduled silly-hat-drama and less cat-fights.

>>46546149
Keep telling yourself this lumicuck it still comes straight from the mouth of your oshi kek

>>46546132
I remember when Lumi was hated by /this place/ before she joined phase connect. Phase cucks are pathetic, they always recruit the girls with the biggest yabs and the less professional behavior, but then they’ll defend them to death because they’re "based" and /here/.

>>46546301
>Why do you all bat an eye after Lumi keeps proving time and time again that she is a terrible being who does not deserve her success.
My psychopathic oshi can't be this cute

You have to question why all the other former cyberlive girls hate Lumi? If it’s one person, sure. But all of them hate her. Coincidence? I think not.

>>46546227
Truly a mystery certainly not people like this? Right?

>>46546301
SHE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>>46546375
There’s proof of Lumi anti-ing phase connect and planning to steal Tenma’s fans.

>>46546301

>>46545038
Vshoujo isn't really a big corpo either though... You can make an argument for VESPO but the big corpos can only be holo and niji

>>46546456
>VESPO
Thanks for the wisdom, industry analyst.

>does nothing
>wins

>Lumi hates her fans and fucks her mods
>cucks here still love her
I don’t get it

>>46546455
>Lumi on her way to visit me again.
Can't wait i have a lot of jeans to give her.

>>46546227
I made the other thread because I wanted more people to see the areola image
Sorry

>>46546517
She does this simply by the sheer power of being blonde.

>>46546522
phase cucknect

>>46546522
If she hates me, why is she going to bear my children? Checkmate, anti.

>>46546759
>He think it will be his children
Kek

>>46545244
Post SCs

>>46546832
Stupid anon, he doesn't know that the child is actually mine

>>46546319
>The good- I mean bad news is there will always be another one so long as our favorite content creators continue to be menhera.

Nice take anon. Even on times of famine we can always have hope( actually be sure) that there is eventually going to be drama.

Hylo it's been two days, this is getting sad

>>46546444
Do share, that'll make a nice ritual post for the wall

>>46543628
>I was blocked!
>someone already emailed them
Kek what a lying dishonest whore.

>>46546870
But she said it's mine

>>46543764
> having a complaint about a corporate talent
> taking it to Twitter instead of contacting their manager
yeah, nah

>>46546266
this is exactly why i oshi

>>46547153
>Phase
>Manager
Okay i laughed

>>46547193
Leave my oshi Muumi alone, she's got a lot on her plate

>>46543930
what exactly is this? sounds like some whiny women complaining in their little bubbles, what is any of this shit supposed to mean?

>>46547264
It's femanons seething in their discord. This is who is astroturfing with Lumi drama

>>46547153
It worked.
Things should've and would've ended there if it weren't for people spamming threads and even more staying in the threads arguing over nothing.

>>46543930
Used the models of all the girls in the screenshot but strangely didn't used pandora models ? Why is that? Strange

>>46544691
Once again you are trying to draw me into a discussion about petty drama I do not give the tiniest shit about. I am discussing one thing only: the apology for bringing it up publicly. I don't know or care about any harassment. I have literally only every heard Hylo's name for the first time yesterday. I am making no commentary either way on the overall quality of her character or behavior outside this one specific action. You are delusional if you think her usage of the model was legally permissible. There is no exception in copyright protection for "it was only 2 seconds". It was used in a commercial product, without permission, broadcast publicly, was not transformative, and was not being used for the purposes of criticism, parody, news reporting, research or commentary.

>>46547264
It's women in their natural habitat.

>>46547544
Who gives a fuck? Let them try suing her if they want to get laughed out of court.

>>46547544
I'd say it was transformative, the whole gag was transformation

>>8960918
>>10306575
Hilarious posts in hindsight, but I still can’t find when Lumi allegedly shittalked phase in the archive.

>>46547397
It was Hylo and co spamming threads, and phasefags can't resist bait. It was inevitable unfortunately

Hylo did nothing wrong and her chubby body is perfect

>>46547926
I agree with one of your statements

>>46547970
Well thanks for letting us now that you are a retard both ways

>>46546420
most mentally stable lumicuck

>>46547407
She doesnt want to risk Kiara to enact a hololive embargo on Phase

>>46548827
This idea doesn't stand. She still skinwalked Emma, who is friends with Ollie.

>>46548880
Noone gives a shit about Ollie

>>46544012
Hylo is definitely the bigger of the two, you could probably fit at least three Lumis inside of her

>>46548911
No one cares about Kiara either when they have a far more influential friend
https://twitter.com/BradleyMiiTuber/status/1642306776425963520

All I'm seeing is the fact that we should just rangeban the west and all western corporate and indies

I respect Lumi more now. You never apologize, or the sharks will swarm you

The twitch vod is gone. Is there an archive?

>>46549169
Why do you say this when you bitch about how they never apologized to lumi?

I have literally zero stake in this.i do however find it hilarious and support lumi because I value entertainment more than I do copy right laws and people pretending to care about 1 views because itakes them feel like less of a shit person.

>>46549299
They shouldn't. They should just stop trying to bring up old drama

>>46547153
The entire company has 1 manager, going to twitter is easily the fastest way to get attention

>>46549639
That's... just factually incorrect

>>46549556
>They shouldn't.
So shut the fuck up about it retard
>They should just stop trying to bring up old drama
Tell lumi to not unearth the drama axe next time retard and you were the ones posting year old drama screenshot kek

>>46549299
I don’t though. Apologies only work in good faith. If you act in good faith in the West, you’re a schmuck

>>46543688
>harassment
Me saying she's a whore for having an OF on /vt/ isn't harassment, that's just facts. If women can't deal with facts they should just bow out.

>>46544284
holy based

>>46547264
you're not allowed to dislike Lumi, or this happens >>46544284

>>46549692
I'm just hanging around since you seem to need someone to vent to, no need to be so hostile
Gumis will respond to threads about their oshi. There wouldn't have been any drama if the 2views didn't start making all these drama threads

>>46545122
>It literally only have one good streamer ( Nazuna)
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>46549937
>Its the 2views not the mentally ill assblasted lumifags who made the threads
Ogey

>>46543628
Hylo did nothing wrong, Lumi was always a two-faced bitch even before she joined Phase.

>>46545244
KARMA. Pipkin is stagnating while Rin is rising. This is why you never kick out your biggest promoters.

>>46547397
cyberwhores spammed the threads because they hate Lumi and they wanted to create drama

>>46550230
go to a psychiatrist H*nri

>>46550087
Lumifags are well known for being well behaved. They would never anti their oshi

>>46550451
Lumifags are the reason Xalamon became so corrupt.

>>46550474
Now that's a bit harsh

>>46543628
>I sent emails and wasn't responded to immediately
>lets work past this because I gained nothing from throwing a shit fit over nothing.

>>46544952
Sounds pretty similar to NijiEN these days kek

>>46550594
No hold backs for all the damage Lumi had done. And her reward? Xalamon cheating on her with Miia.

>>46550859
Is that the new jewish corpo? I keep forgetting the name

>>46551097
First she gets cucked by Yubi, now by Xalamon. Sad

>>46550859
NijiEN is not a corpo to itself, that's like calling PhaseJP its own corpo

>>46551433
It's pretty equivalent. NijiEN is an offshoot of Nijisanji just like Phase Connect is an offshoot of Phase Coffee Ltd.

>>46545880
“Confirmed” because the liar said so. Anon i have a bridge to sell you

>>46546301
How twisted are you? Are you hylo? Pandora? Menace?? Emma? There is zero evidence to any of the claims you have for lumi yet a mountain of evidence that shows how toxic and vindictive the rest of the CL girls are. At this point the only people who have your narrative are either the lying whores themselves or their seething 2 view friends.

>>46551862
Hylo, Pandora, Menace and Emma are all witnesses to Lumi's corruption. No Lumi? Xalamon would just be a janny instead of a power hungry asshole who ruined Phase and is now fucking Miia behind the scenes.

>>46547193
Why do you think lumi or none of the other talents didn’t respond? Phase handled this beautifully. Non of the talents are effected. Lumi didn’t have to lift a fucking finger. Tweets 3 fucking most corporate lip service responses in the world. And the harassers fucking self explode. If anything this is the most beautiful display of handling a fucking drama seeking nothing burger

>>46552071
>Tweets 3 fucking most corporrate lip service responses in the world
And you thought Phase was based.

>>46552128
This is exactly why phase is based.

>>46552033
Xalabussy is too busy getting pegged by Miia to cause too much trouble
And nobody cares about Miia getting fucked so it's a win all round

>>46552033
What are you on? Give me some of those

>>46546180
As if using a model on stream for 5 seconds is something worth even acknowledging, fuck off retard

>>46552361
If they were based they wouldn't have responded at all

>>46546835
just because your whore donate bates with feet pics and suicide, doesn't mean shit. Rin doesn't even read superchats, she lives in a mansion and couldn't care less about earnings

>>46552808
Don't be silly. It's sensible to say it won't happen again. If Lumi did it again knowing that it upsets them that would be malicious rather than a spur of the moment april fools skit

>>46543628

>>46552663
Keeping tools and data from your previous job for over 2 years is something you can get sued over. Of fucking course they have to acknowledge it.
Since Japan court also ruled that vtubers are people, it might even be impersonation if a US court comes to the same conclusion (that vtubers are indeed people and not characters).

>>46553249
Ah yes, I can't wait for Cyberlive to start some lawsuits. That seems plausible and proportionate

>>46553058
>If Lumi did it again knowing that it upsets them
But she obviously knew that already

>>46553249
Lumi is going to jail...
How do I cope?

>>46553446
Have you watched the stream?
>Get's a superchat about skinwalking
>Makes a joking response
>Pauses and gasps wait wait wait
>Cycles through the models for a minute
>Laughs and carries on
That doesn't sound malicious. It certainly wasn't preplanned

>>46553597
>lumi goes to jail
>gets raped
Masturbate.

>>46553839
Oh no, Lumi's being assigned to the breeding pits. She must be in utter despair.

>>46553839
Time for me to get arrested too. I had better do an impression of someone with plenty of twitter followers

>>46553402
Of course she won’t actually be in trouble, retard.
Nonetheless what she did is objectively illegal and unprofessional. Why are you even trying to defend that?

>>46546601
blondes and blue women are too powerful

>>46554399
I'm not, in fact I've said that several times. But saying there should be lawsuits is ridiculous

>>46554586
The subtility is in the "can get sued over" not "will get sued over".
This is IP infringement, possibly impersonation. It’s objectively illegal.
The anon I replied too tried to diminish this as "showing stuff for 5 seconds", but it doesn’t change the facts that she fucked up.

>>46554399
>Objectively illegal

Literally how

>>46554761
Objectively there will be 0 negative repercussions and plenty of positives so where is the fuckup?

>>46543795
Oh, good. Now I can go back to ignoring her completely.

>>46543628
>the black stain of vtubing finally getting some flack
The industry is healing

>>46554922
>plenty of positives
???
"Yes my queens", from a handful of retards /here/ isn’t "plenty of positives". I doubt there will be a lot of negative en the long run however.
People who think Lumi is a cunt, thought that she was a cunt a long time ago.

>>46554862
Using professional assets after you left the job. Lumi DOES NOT OWN this IP. It’s that simple.

>>46555059
Looking at the US copyright database, it looks like there is no filed copyright for Ayane Hylo, the only way Lumi could infringe on her is by re-streaming content or uploading unedited vods or something of hers. And even if she did own the copyright, is parody really IP infringement? Do you think Meat Canyon is breaking the law every video?

>>46555059
I discovered the existence of Miitubers from this, and everyone had fun. It topped off a great day of streams with a little bit of shitposting. What can be more positive than a source of retards who take every bait you throw out there?

>>46555293
That’s not how copyright works. You’re confusing copyright and registered work. Copyright is automatic as soon as you finish your work it is protected by copyright, you do not have to register it. There is no "database" of copyrighted works.
You can use something under two conditions and two conditions only:
>You are the author
>You have a license from the author

>>46555293
At least acknowledge Fair Use. It's what Downfall parodists did when Constantin Film sued them.

>>46543679
Tf do you want? More gura seethe threads? Maybe once hololive or nijisanji does something of note (aside from being black) then there will be more catalogue posts about them

>>46555059
I also checked the US trademark database, and Hylo might be committing trademark infringement on Hylo, a web commerce service.

>>46555443
Then wouldn't Hylo's model be the artists work? It isn't like Lumi restreamed her content or anything.

>>46555489
The plot thickens

>>46555443
You're assuming lot of things. Original owner is CL, the contract between ex-talents and CL was supposed to transfer those rights, but we know nothing about it or about the contract between CL and Lumi as a manager. Given how retarded they were she might have an unlimited usage rights of models with no termination clause. In which case the party at fault would be CL. But nobody knows.

>>46555532
Wow, you’re learning. Yes. The mama is the copyright owner. They singing a license with the vtuber or the agency. When departing from an agency, a vtuber has to buy the license from the agency or at least negotiate it.

>>46555489
Again, that’s not how trademark works either, retard.

>>46555584
We don’t know much, but Lumi isn’t a representative of CL since a long time and there is absolutely no fucking way that anybody gave her a license or any authorization of any kind. That’s just full copium

>>46555684
>We don’t know much
Yes
>but Lumi isn’t a representative of CL since a long time and there is absolutely no fucking way that anybody gave her a license or any authorization of any kind
>We don’t know much
Why do you assume that somebody employing underage manager and having no contract for gen 0 wouldn't "absolutely no fucking way" do something insane?

>>46555684
So you seriously think Lumi broke the law... By using someone else's PNG on a livestream for a few seconds? Do you think people making edits of shit they don't own are also breaking the law? Are you suggesting that if you do an impression of someone in a skit you deserve jail time?

>>46555684
>Singing a license
Lol

>>46555820
Bro really thinks indie vtubers are drafting up contracts with their artists KEKW

>>46555817
>So you seriously think Lumi broke the law.
Yes. Absolutely. Objectively. Without a doubt.

>>46555889
An informal contract is still a contract. A "yes you can use this" discord message is a contract.
Yes all vtubers have a contract with their artist, some have professional contract some have shitty discord contract. But all of them have an autorisation from their artist or asking for trouble.

>>46555489
Got curious and looked around at more vtuber terms on the trademark database, who tf is trying to trademark the word Vtuber?

https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4810:m6xtv.4.1

>>46546301
> severe trauma

>>46555958
Yes, but do they always sing it? I didn't know a contract could be made in song form

>>46555958
If this went to court they would laugh Hylo out of the room, that's all I'm saying. If Lumi seriously broke the law here, then so has basically everyone who's used a model from the workshop on Gmod.

>>46555973
All me

>>46555958
Sue her, then. Since you're not responding to this >>46555800, I'm going to assume your "objectively" is about as valid as your shower thoughts.

>>46556027
If one wanted to use another's assets to make a parody, invoke FAIR USE. That's it, and that's what Lumi did not do.

>>46552916
Again with this cope. How exactly her being rich helps Idol?

>>46543628
>>46543764
>>46543809
>>46544044
>>46544358
>>46546180
>>46547544
>>46555059
>>46555684
>>46555958
Your stanck is so intense that all your posts smell like a 1view whoring herself in 4chan.
Stop shitting up the catalogue because NO ONE GIVES A FLYING FUCK
If you want /here/ attention, either post tits or GTFO.

>>46556122
I don't think Fair Use is something you have to invoke, it's not like you're summoning it in a Final Fantasy game, pretty sure fair use is just always assumed unless you're doing something egregious like straight up redistributing content.

>>46556021
A license can be one-way. The issuer (author) have so sign it, not always the receiving end.
All open-source license are like this. You just implicitly "accept" the license by using the software/picture/book/other.

>>46556027
The workshop comes with licenses retard. If unlicensed works are in the workshop, the people using the assets (and quite possibly the person that put it on the workshop) broke the law, yes.

>>46556082
I didn’t reply because that anon is insane.
>I’m leaving CL, can you please give me right over everybody’s assets? thx bye

>>46556122
Is FAIR USE like a Harry Potter soell or something?

>>46546301
You're mixing her up with the other CL manager. The one that got caught cheating on her husband with paypigs. THAT is the one that leaked stuff and doxxed CL members.

CL was so awful that Lumi wasn't even close to being the worst part of it.

>>46556146
With her own source of income, at least Rin can stay true to herself and is not a grifter... unlike that filthy liar Pipkin.

>>46556186
Nono, you need a circle, 4 candles and a fuckton of copium. Then you chant "Lumi is a thief" again and again until it appears

>>46556191
She was their manager. It's not insane to think CL gave her permission to use company assets. Given that CL had nobody who knew how to do contracts properly, anything can happen.

>>46556191
I feel like I'm going crazy, even if Hylo does actually have a license for her model, wouldn't Lumi being the one talking and doing shit using the model for 30 seconds or however long be transformative enough? Do you seriously think that if this got in front of a judge Lumi would be found guilty of ANYTHING?

>>46556238
Thanks Henri, very cool

>>46556215
Fair Use is just simple, retards.
>In its most general sense, a fair use is any copying of copyrighted material done for a limited and “transformative” purpose, such as to comment upon, criticize, or parody a copyrighted work. Such uses can be done without permission from the copyright owner. In other words, fair use is a defense against a claim of copyright infringement. If your use qualifies as a fair use, then it would not be considered an infringement.
Lumi failed to invoke this and now she and Hylo are suing each other.

>>46555817
Two things:
1) People who make edits of shit could use the fair use defense in court if they are sued: believe it or not, in and of itself, using material that you do not own for monetary gains is not legal, and fair use must be proven. Is it a big deal? No. Usually it's not, because company don't waste time with people who do edits.
2) Do you need to use things that you do not own to make an impression of someone in a skit? No.

Lumi is a corporate vtuber that used intellectual property that she did not own without permission in a stream in which she made money. Should we care? Probably not. Was it legal? Unlikely.

>>46556186
Fair use is a legal defense. It's never "assumed", it's just "the rights holder decided not to sue you and force you to use it".

>>46556356
No one is answering the main question, if Hylo tried to take this to court, would she be laughed out of the room or not?

>>46556307
As an employee you are a representative of your company. You can use what you company owns, but that doesn’t mean that you OWN it (you don’t own anything you company owns) and even less after you fucking left.
If they didn’t gave her EXPLICIT authorization (which is very very unlikely) she didn’t have the right to show this or even have it saved on her computer.
That’s a clear an simple infringement, I do not understand why you are still arguing.

>>46556313
>transformative
I do not think you understand what this means in legal terms.

>>46556483
You're missing the point. She wouldn't be able to fit into the court

>>46556483
No one would go to court over this (too costly for very little infrigement), but YES. There is a good chance for her to win.
She owns it (depending on how CL handled their IP before disappearing), Lumi doesn’t. She should not have the model on her computer and Sakana knows this.

>>46556526
She would not be able to fit on my dick

>>46556346
>and now she and Hylo are suing each other.
Woah shit what did I miss? That sure escalated quickly.

When is the trial?

>>46556644
Very soon anon
>>46556638
This guy is prosecutor in exchange for free access to her onlyfans

>>46556638
I'm not asking if she could be sued for copyright infringement, literally everyone could be sued for copyright infringement because corporations own everything, I want clarification that Lumi could be brought in front of a judge and tried for a crime, would Hylo be laughed out of the court for bringing forth a criminal case.

>>46556518
>If they didn’t gave her EXPLICIT authorization
As I said, you're assuming lot of things without any knowledge of actual contracts or agreements involved.

Hylo said the ownership of the model is transferred when her contract ends. She quit. Would any other company allow this clause to exist? Was it unconditional? Why do you assume Lumi has no right to use the company assets even if you don't know what agreement between her and CL exists?

>>46556483
>>46556779
I don't think anybody ever tried to put that kind of weird fringe case through the legal system. There's no way to know if she would be laughed out court.
I think it would be very stupid for anyone to go to court for this regardless.

>>46556779
>criminal case
This is a copyright issue, so it would be a civil case.
But I don’t see why not.

>>46556801
The best proof that she doesn’t have the right to have it is that she deleted it from her computer when asked.
If she had a license she could just say "fuck you I have a license".

>>46556975
>46556975
So that means, wrapping around to the first comment I responded to here, Lumi didn't "objectively" do something illegal.

>>46557012
Copyright infringement isn’t criminal, but it’s still illegal.
Copyright law is part of the law.

>>46557012
In the legal sense, the only way to "do" something "objectively" illegal is to actually stand trial and be found guilty.
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>46557061
So if Lumi committed such a disastrously awful crime, using someone else's PNG, why doesn't Hylo try her luck in court?

>>46557107
Idk man that's what the first dude I replied to said, that Lumi did something "objectively illegal"

>>46556975
>The best proof that she doesn’t have the right to have it is that she deleted it from her computer when asked.
>If she had a license she could just say "fuck you I have a license".
Assuming again. You don't know what she would do. You don't know if she deleted it or just said. I can just as easily assume she deleted it to bury the drama. The joke is done and the models are useless.

>>46557164
This has to be a response from a woman. No man would type with this level of passive-aggressive anger. If you're a man, I genuinely feel bad for you because you obviously have low testosterone and need to get it checked out.

>>46557164
No one would go to court over this. 90+% of legal conflict get resolved without a law suit, with or without laywers.
This has been discussed with phase connect, so it is already resolved.
But what it means is that Lumi cannot possibly say that she’s in the right and not do as asked, unless she wants things to escalate, take a lawyer, her lawyer recommending her to just to as asked and if she still refuse go to court.

hylo eating shit is great

>>46557326
It'd be the first woman you've ever interacted with

>>46556217
Nope. No I’m not. Lumi is a snake.

>>46557421
I'm crying! That one really hurt and was really mean! Do you feel bad now? I'm crying and you hurt my feelings. Do you care? I want you to care about me.

A thread full of retards arguing like the retards they are over a matter that has already been settled between the involved parties.

>>46557488
It's okay hylo, people will forget what a little shit you are in 3 months. If you manage to keep your mouth shut.

>>46557490
Sorry Hylo, of course we care! That bitch Lumi will get what's coming to her. Just two more posts

>>46557595
>>46557619
Rent free

>>46557716
you're supposed to wait until a week after an incident happens before pulling out the rent free anon

i doubt the court records will name "Ayane Hylo" as plaintiff. We'll get her name, address and then send her family her only fans page.

>>46557870
Never thought about that, could you theoretically dox any vtuber by taking them to court?

>>46557870
No one is going to court over this. Even the biggest copyright scandals from big software companies get resolved from lawyer to lawyer without a lawsuit. Absolutely no one in their right mind would ever go to court for this.
(doesn’t change that more often than not, one party is clearly infringing the rights of the other party and is in the wrong)

>>46552071
>the harassers
Which harrasser? the one in your mind?
Retard anybody with than 2 braincell think did was scummy lmfao

>>46557867
What event? I thought this was supposed to be a nothingburger?

>>46558240
If anything Lumi's fanbase is harassing them >>46546420

>>46558301
harassment is when tweet discord screenshot

>>46558406
Subhuman response.

>>46558301
The most sane phasefag

>>46559091
Anon, I think that's a phase anti...

>>46543726
lol
lmao even

Is kiwifarms down again? Why are there so many phasecuck threads

>>46559192
Old cyberlive girls are getting butthurt and making threads. Also anons are autistic and won't let technicalities slide

love how this forced "yab" doesn't even register top 10 all time yabs in /pcg/. yellow woman needs to step up her game.

>>46559169
I know i was talking about the post he linked phasefag

>>46559310
she was too scared to take it further. looms needs to go full force next time now that she knows they can't do anything

>>46545880
>send email
>wait 30 minutes
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>46545880
Based

>>46549300
Panko's Italian.

>>46559942
dyrbi?

>>46556146
all of idol talents earn well, unlike phase who have one good earner they rely on that if leaves kills the company, and idol is doing well financially according their reports

>>46562049
>idol is doing well financially according their reports
*after doing several fucking donothons and barely making any profit

>>46562319
but the CEO already talked months before about how they don't expect to profit first year and have financial plan for the next 4 years, they're doing better than expected and obviously have the budget from investments

>>46562520
> actually believing this bullshit
https://files.catbox.moe/5gr2p6.mp4

>>46562716
>sends a pre-idolHE debut video explaining what vtubers are to jews
>has anything to do with anything we talked about
are you mentally ill?

>>46562520
Jews are the undisputed experts of business, unlike the League addled Zhangs. Trust the plan goyim.

>>46562049
Retard. Phase was in black half year after gen1 debut.

>>46564038
Zhangs don't even have the strategic mindset Jews have. They only jump on the nearest trend. I would not be surprised if Fishman decides to sell Phase NFTs only to flop. If Pipkin does not quit by then, then it's ultimate proof she isn't based after all.

>>46562840
A transcription of this video translated by goole
> A big problem We at Ai Doll want to take the world of virtual network stars to the next level, and build an entire alternative reality around it. We plan to do it through three different channels: pain itself, the world of the character and the interactivity. Let's start with the after. We work with the world famous artists and express the most advanced technologies to produce the tourists that will be easy for you, the viewers to connect with them was the love tourists. We build in harmony and complete cooperation with the stars of our network so that they reflect as much as possible their personality and personal style, but we have a job. Arlo is enough. We build an entire virtual world around each character through a background story orca setting with stream design with dedicated programs tailored to the character. Our goal is that you will not feel like you are watching a normal YouTuber hiding behind a virtual character, but a real YouTuber in a parallel universe and finally we want you to feel part of the virtual world.
And the most importantly
>We intend to bring technologies that have not been seen in any other country or company so that you too, as viewers, can take part in the virtual content that we are building
Jew pitches metaverse shit to his investors while showing UE 4 scene with free assets. He is so full of shit it's not even funny.

>>46564457
Kys, Henri.

>>46564457
Remember Kyoresu? She completely flopped and jew gave up on her all together.

>>46552916
Lol trying so hard

>>46543628
>do nothing
>make 2view attention whore seethe
>dont respond or acknowledge her in any way
>2view attention whore bends the knee almost immediately
Roru

>>46544797
Nah it wasnt Phasefags. IdolEN has their own antis. Idolfags just blamed Phasefags(specifically pippafags) because why not.

>>46554399
I think you are missing the point annon. No one can sue her because no one owns the models. Honestly it’s just a courtesy that phase and lumi even decided to comply. CL went down so no body actually owns the model. And looking at how CL went down, I doubt there was a proper handle off or transfer of intellectual rights to the current users. So the most realistic scenario is these models don’t belong to anyone, and Lumi never had to steal them as she originally had access to them by being their fellow talents and the manager at CL.

>>46552916
>just because your whore donate bates with feet pics and suicide, doesn't mean shit.
Lol nice fanfiction cope rinigger hahaha pippa gets the supas that she does because she literally reads EVERY SINGLE ONE.

>>46557488
Please provide a single shred of proof besides that weak bullshit about her having a schizo mod who threated to doxx people. Don’t move the goalpost everytime you are asked this question and actually come up with a shred of evidence to your claims. Go on i’m waiting

>>46562049
Jewshill please. Bring some proof with your claims. They made some money with heavily advertised donothon, sure. The company lost money. And look on playboard to see how much earning they get normally. But I guess it’s pointless to tell you because you are a jewshill. Just remember, at the rate your company is going. Your CEO will have to suck some major dicks to keep it going or it’s going to be gone soon. While fishman plays league of legends and drinks his own coffee

>>46552916
Nigga your whore was literall BEGGING for money with all those retarded subathon spamming

>>46565366
Hi Lumi.

>hylo is in this thread doing damage control
say something nice to her!

>>46564499
unlike your google translation that got half wrong, I actually understand Hebrew, maybe do your fact checking before embarrassing yourself.

>Jew pitches metaverse shit to his investors while showing UE 4 scene with free assets. He is so full of shit it's not even funny.
at no point in this video was a mention of metaverse, and you have no idea if this was pitched to anyone, this was just a simple video intended for israeli audience that don't know what vtubers are and some long term goals that most were actually delivered.

>>46565568
cope harder with your 2view corpo

>>46565568
Jews are literally more competent and experienced in business than the League addled Zhang. Jews have strategic mindsets, zhangs fool everyone while jumping from one trend to another. Under the Jews, all of IdolEN prospered equally, while Phase under that incompetent zhang depends on Muumi for management and with top-tier talent Pipkin CARRYING their company.

Pipkin should have went to Idol Corp.

>>46568128
>understand Hebrew
No you don't, you lying faggot.

>>46544284
Funny how none of the messages in the above screenshot were about Sei's doxing shit though. They were fuming about Lumi having higher subs, "pandering to 4chan" (ie not being completely pozzed), and getting large donations, which they assumed were from Sei.
Also, remember that Lumi did end up firing Sei in the end. We don't know how much she knew about his behavior and for how long before firing him. So for all we know, she fired him as soon as she found out.

>>46568700
this is the first time someone denies me being a jew on 4chan

>>46568849
>So for all we know, she fired him as soon as she found out.
Wrong CL had to step in she didn't gave a fuck back then sei was even bragging about it in the cl threads at the time

>>46568849
>firing sei
lmao
just returned under another name

>>46569070
This not an ad for mass market, you jidf shill. This is not how you sell a product to normal people. It's literally structured like an investment pitch or to get sponsors on board.
>We intend to bring technologies that have not been seen in any other country or company so that you too, as viewers, can take part in the virtual content that we are building
>no metastuff
Just kill yourself already.

>>46569180
So maybe CL found out about it before Lumi did and brought it to her attention? Hell, even if CL forced her to fire him, there might just not have been any proof of his doxing at the time, and Lumi didn't believe the allegations.
>sei was even bragging about it in the cl threads at the time
This literally proves nothing. Are you forgetting that 4chan is anonymous? For all Lumi or anyone else knew, it could've been any old shizo claiming to be Sei. In retrospect, after the Discord leaks, we can now say it was most likely him, but nobody could've proved it at the time. And that's assuming Lumi never missed a thread and always read them top to bottom. It's possible she didn't even see the posts you're referring to.

>>46569407
>it sounds to me based on the google translation like an investment pitch so it has to be true
average phasecuck

>>46569312
Oh yeah? Who?

>>46569875
make your bullshit believable next time

>>46549169
>does something obviously wrong
>everyone outside of phase thinks less of her now
>anon respects her instead
contrarian at its finest

>>46543679
You general fags need to die.

>>46569822
>So maybe CL found out about it before Lumi did and brought it to her attention?
Nice cope lumi stood by him it's one of the reason the girls were pissed at lumi.

>>46571874
You're still not actually addressing anything I've said. Can you prove that Lumi had access to undeniable proof of Sei's doxing, at the time when she defended him? Yes or no?

>>46572121
They even had a poll in their discord about if they should remove him or not when it came to light do you think lumi wouldn't see it?
Cope harder

>>46545181
Real