/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

MOCHI STRONG

>>4639054
based bahroo mogging your oshi twice in the same day

Yoooo is there finally someone who can shit on Vshoujo in Twitch? A babinku no less! Time for Mansanji era of twitch.

Numbers for Suisei's middle of the night guerrilla podcast for people with Twitter account. I just thought it very interesting how many viewers Holos are able to gather on practically no notice (it started almost immediately after the tweet, lasted around 40 minutes, this is at the very end) and on an out of ordinary platform. Although there is the novelty factor and there may have been a couple of randoms hopping in from trending seeing how BBC Wales sent a correspondent.

>>4639910
>BBC Wales sent a correspondent.
What?

>>4639054
The HoloMillions

>>4639054
why nijisanshi males are much superior than holohomos

Weird, Pekora isn't #2 today.

>>4639972
Oh wow, added the file, but my PC didn't actually try to upload it.

>>4639958
Welsh BBC present is a fan

>>4639973
nobody in homostars is funny except shien and he doesn't do it on purpose

>>4639826
you mean bahroo? what's babiniku about him, a male with a male voice with a male avatar

>>4640079
Jesus hololive is getting big

>>4639054
It's nice to see AZKi made it into the list.

>>4640079
>not ENshit
based

>>4640107
That’s a trap avatar though.

>>4640079
WHAT

>>4640079
Would've thought the Welsh would be more interested in Watame

>>4640149
no it isn't, he's the panda, there's just a girl holding him but her mouth doesn't move, bahroo is the panda

>>4640190
So kinda like the dog from Nijisanji then, except not a failure?

>>4640079
I kneel Suisei

>>4640217
nijisanji really lives rent free in your head huh

>>4639054
That actually looks somewhat balanced.
Pekora with her usual +30k numbers, with cunnychad and Tokyo Ghoul rounding up the top 3.
Azki is the most surprising of the lot. Utako as well, but NKODICE seems to be a massive buff for anyone.

>>4640190
Based I'm kinda interested now especially after btfo'ing vsluts

>>4639910
Do you have any idea what was being talked about in the podcast?

>>4640300
Honestly I used to watch him before he even became a vtuber, he's pretty chill

>>4640300
He already has a bog following bit now that he’s got an avatar and chasing trends he’s basically just diverting the attention of the month to him, like most of the twitchers that go chuuba.

>>4640300
Don't get too excited, he's basically like pewdiepie in that he was a popular real life streamer who got a vtuber model, though unlike pewds he's basically transitioned to vtubing full time.

>>4640406
You're overdramatising everything, he used to stream with no cam and the live2d is just a good opportunity for people who don't like streaming with cams to still show some facial expression

>>4640470
Go back to sucking his dick on twitch you fag.

>>4640524
Stay mad

>>4640406
Now now, Nyanners is the same and people forget that. He said that he hates his appearance and this change of pace, if he continues it is not so different with her

>>4640118
>>4640268
AZKi is such a wildcard.

>>4640561
He's probably a bit too self conscious, he just looks like a white nerd guy, compared to the likes of asmongold he's completely fine

>>4640650
She was singing Gundam songs. Even I tuned in for that since whats more amazing than a Gundam karaoke is a Gundam karaoke sang by a female vtuber version of Justice Gundam. Also she’s cute.

>>4639973
Homostars are only bigger than NijiKR NijiEN and NijiID.

So uh, how are we counting Ame's charity stream? Because at this rate it's going to beat Marine's million subs record pretty easily

>hydrodynamics continue
Gura...

Well well it look like gura bitch fans lose view to pekora not once not twice but 6 times

>>4640650
She was singing gundam seed songs, and if you don't know why that would draw viewers you don't know how important it is in the japanese cultural psyche.

>>4640067
Subscription mogging will never not be funny. Hehe.

>>4640877
And the stream hasn't even started properly yet.

>>4640952
What are you doing? Pekora is a league ahead of everyone in terms of consistent live viewership.

>>4640876
>Homostars
>bigger than NijiEN
Nah, even Astel and Roberu get lower average views than them let alone the rest of the Homos

>>4640079
Can't wait for Suisei to make an appearance on BBC live television. For anyone who doesn't know, Suisei has been teasing that she might appear on television pretty soon.
Source: dude trust me.

>>4640916
I should have linked this to both the OP and the million chart...
>>4639054
>>4640067
...and done.

>>4641068
Buddy Astel and Roberu have been hovering around 2k average these days, which is more than Pomu gets on the regular.

What was minato fuwa's numbers again?

>>4641068
Homostars have more cumulative subs than all mentioned Niji branches. Therefore their bigger in that sense.

>>4639973
Because they're in the wrong company. Cover fucking hates them and Yagoo only supports them out of pity.
They'd probably do better as indies.

>>4639054
Rumao nijiniggers should just graduate

>>4641293
Astel and Roberu are two of more than 5 holostars. Most of them are below 1k.

>>4641699
Yeah, they should just graduate while being the only agency that offer any kind of competition to hololive. There's 9 nijisanji in the top 25 but somehow this is bad.

>>4641849
no point in trying to reason with holoniggers, they are mentally ill

>>4641477

>>4641477
I mean if we start counting fundraisers
https://camp-fire.jp/projects/view/306908

RrRRrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRAOOOOOOOUL!!!!

>>4642121
4k supporter, $600k USD? How does that work?

>>4642544
Nijisanji corp gave them seed money to start with.

>>4642544
People on average giving 150 bucks according to my maths
>>4642592
Cope

>>4641293
To be fair Astel usually drops below 1k whenever he plays something other than Apex, and Roberu and NijiEN are all on pretty much the same level of average live views

Hope they autotune the shit out of her, like they did for the EN song when the song releases for real

>>4640952
>eng
>cunny
>loved by youtube algorithm
>gets multiple buffs
>still not even close to her
B-BUT M-MUH SUBS
lol

>>4641979
140k people wtf. Where the fuck are these people usually? And Fuwa only gaining 9k subscribers from this is super unnatural.

>>4641293
They haven't. They'll barely reach 2k if they're doing something special, which both of them have been doing lately. Roberu with collabs and Astel reaching Master rank in Apex solo. 2k or close to that isn't a number they get regularly doing whatever.

>>4643087
That's far more natural than the huge number of dead holo subs

>>4643198
nijicope

>>4643087
Because a lot of those views already watch him

>>4643189
>They'll barely reach 2k if they're doing something special,
funny enough this stream went over 2k while a collab he had recently was at 1,6k

>>4643198
seethe, cope and dilate

>>4643087
>>4643198
Or... you know... it could be an indicator of how Japanese use YouTube vs how much of the west does. I'm certain most Japanese are familiar with the NicoNico model where you have a limited amount of space dedicated to the lists, so you have to make your interactions count. This may be what's happening where, where Japanese were mostly conditioned to reserve their judgement for what mattered, while westerners, who aren't even used to a limited number of subs available, just throw likes and subs around like confetti.

>>4643087
people didnt have too much options, you watched him or rbc

>>4643189
>>4643437
forgot my picture. really need to get some sleep

Nijisanji had their day to pop off but now they are back to getting buried. Hope they enjoyed that one day.

>>4642121
>a full company campaign against only one holo charity stream
imagine if Hololive does the same

>>4643707
I hope that's not an exception and that he can regularly get those numbers just by himself.

This thread isn’t so bad so far
Is it cause SEA is asleep

how hard would Niji cope after Watson beats Fuwa

Total viewers in top 25

>Hololive
251,821

>Nijisanji
149,744

>>4644217
Watson beating Fuwa in what specifically? Raising money? Charity drives carry a different weight in people's minds, so it's not like she is going to pocket this money.

>>4644402
it's a number thread, context doesn't matter

>>4644402
You think numberfags care about context anon? They will spin anything into a battle to be won or lost.

>>4643996
Ame getting this much number for a donation stream is easier in comparison. A donation stream even in small channels on twitch reaches numbers much above of what a channel does. That's how donation works.

>>4644402
Exactly. Any holo or niji that has high numbers would get it and break lots of records. JP won't do it though and I doubt we'll ever see them ever doing something like this so just ame will do it.

Why is the reddit shark such a failure? She's getting mogged by someone with 9x less her subs.

>>4644717
well, we are talking about chuubas not about normal streamers

>>4644831
Gura is literally anti-reddit
They don't watch Gura and Gura doesn't even have a reddit account, so this bait instantly fails.

>>4644856
because donation streams like that for ame are extremely rare. I watch vtubers for 4 years and this is the first time I see something like this. And much of this feels like it's happening due to ame being western.

>>4644894
What's next anon, Gura is "based and redpilled" or something equally stupid from your your faggot mouth?

>>4639973
because males in nijisanji have the females as fodder to make them grow

>>4644894
I don’t really get why that anon called her reddit shark when she doesn’t really have that kind of image to me, but come on man you know how untrue this entire post is

>>4645011
How is that even supposed to work?

>>4643996
>imagine if Hololive does the same

Please don't. That's a shitty move when they are making millions already.

>>4644402
Yes, she is beating him in donations the day after he set the record. Totally mogged by Ame!!

Before anybody says that a charity stream doesn't count because it's a special drive for the person to donate. Well, the hell do you think a 3D debut is? That is a special event as well.

>>4644944
you can write off donations from your taxes anyways so you're not even spending money in reality

>>4644944
yes, and she´s doing insanely good for being the test stream for charity

>>4645094
its good for PR

>>4645402
Read the article retardchama, its crowdfunding for making their merch aka pre-order now

>>4645089
It doesn't. This is one of the retards who believe Mito having an average of 10k live viewers is bad, same for other girls having 7-5k and many girls surpassing other males in subs or viewers all the time.

>>4645501
why do you assume it has to be the same type of charity retardchama?

>>4640190
it's a tranny bait furry

>>4645501
>just a merch preorder for socks and shit generates 70 million
In the end, it is all about the merch after all
https://shop.nijisanji.jp/

>>4644831
Cunny can't possibly win against a cunnychad. Such is the law of nature.

Does anybody have the superchat/donation top 10? I need it so I can put Ame at the top after she passes that fraud from yesterday.

>>4645569
Because youre answering to that particular crowdfunding anon and its not a fucking charity fuck sake.

>>4645669
holoniggers are really desperate huh

>>4645690
So charities should be counted separately from profit generating?

>>4645661
but muh merch doesn't count

>>4639054
how can this rabbit maintain #1 with fucking Yakuza

>>4645710
coping already nijibronie?

>>4645767
Merch is the only thing that counts

>>4640300
>Based I'm kinda interested now especially after btfo'ing vsluts
Give him a try, but you'll occasionally see "vsluts" on this stream since he's friends with Zentreya.

>>4645801
you're the one who's been coping and seething because fuwa made a lot of actual money, but then don't forget to include nijisanji's campfire campaign that made 653k dollars

>>4643469
>>4645710
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say this is the same person

>>4645710
Cope harder Nijinigger. Fuaggotwa's record didn't even stand for a day. He didn't even set the 3D stream viewership record which Miko still has. So what does he have after yesterday? NOTHING!!!

>>4645882
highest superchatted stream, second is kagami and third is akina by the way

>>4640406
he already pulled those numbers before the avatar especially for sponsored streams

>>4645757
I dont give a damn, im just replying to a post saying that cover crowdfunding their merchandise is a good PR because anon is too lazy to read the article

>>4642121
It took one month

>>4645945
And? Numbers are all that matter apparently, context doesn't matter, charity, crowdfunding, superchat? Who cares all the same

So what I'm getting is that Nijisanji is in such a massive decline that they can't even afford to produce their own merch? They crowdfund it and then sell it to you? Robbing money from you twice. Fucking scumbags.

did someone mention SCs? Neither you ENs nor you Manjisanji faggots even come close to her.

>>4646002
seethe holonigger, and buy the fucking merch
https://shop.nijisanji.jp/

OH NO HOLOBROS WE ARE LOSING GROUNDS EVERY SINGLE DAY TO VSHOJO

>>4646002
No wonder MUH MERCH as a meme exists. You have to buy it twice just to get what you want, lol.

BLACK COMPANY

>>4646002
No, what you got is that you are a holofag with massive mental problems and capacity of interpretation.

>>4646092
nah you get the merch if you gave money to the crowdfunding, it's basically a preorder

>>4646051
poor njibronie, seething so hard

>>4646138
holofags are the bronies though, you retards spam every board with your autism, that's /v/ started calling you holobronies

>>4646046
A literal virtual prostitute who whores herself for money. Fuwa had to work hard for it. That's the difference.

>>4646092
This isn't the definition of black company you retard. At least learn before. Neither Anycolor or Cover are black companies by the definition of the word, even more when both of those companies give breaks and time for them to do whatever they want. Actual black companies have you working more than 15 hours per day with a shitty salary, no benefits, no vacation, extreme poor conditions of work and so on. Those vtubers can literally have 1 week break or even months while you and me only get that with much more problems.

>>4641699
Rent free

OH NO HOLOBROS VSHOJO IS COMING WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH VSHOJOCHADS?

OH NO HOLOBROS VSHOJO IS INCLINING HARD

>>4646183
>female virtual prostitute vs male virtual prostitute
>That's the difference.

OH NO HOLOBROS VSHOJO IS COMING FOR US WE ARE GOING TO LOSE OUR POSITION AND OUR PURE GIRLS TO WHORES.

>>4646169
poor nijibronie, take your meds please

>>4646390
Vshojo aren't the whores. Nijisanji are the whores and they have already been soundly defeated by Holochad and his 5 legions.

>>4646183
rent free

>>4641477
>>4642121
comparing a charity stream, company fundraiser, and a 3D stream
this is stupidity of the highest level. feel ashamed

lol he got mad pretty easily

>>4646230
>>4646311
>>4646390
i get its the weekend but have you really got nothing better to do

>>4646421
spam more threads on /v/ holobronie

>>4646605
it's you who has been spamming them, isn't it?

>>4646532
now we just need some bilibili numbers to round it out, I know this one
https://vup.darkflame.ga/ranking/month/2021/5?groupby=individual&sortby=participant
but is there one that counts individual streams?

>>4646602
bahroo has 20k subscribers

>>4646741
doesn't twitch show you that stat though

>>4646741
he has 827k followers on twitch

>>4646605
stop ban evading

>>4646760
yes

>>4646806
so its not speculation based like youtube members then

>>4646602
I wonder what the percentage is voting among members. Gura could easily have over 20k which is pretty insane.

>>4646183
Both of them are virtual prostitutes

>>4646838
no, he even displays it on his screen, and if you don't believe him you can go to any twitch metrics site and find out

>>4646663
>>4646798
take meds

>>4646872
i was saying that we know for a fact how many subs/members he has whereas for youtube members we have to base it on member polls which are unlikely to have a 100% participation rate

>>4646876
stop ban evading

>>4646741
>>4646872
A big difference between twitch subs and YouTube members is that you can gift subs on twitch, so the number is relatively volatile, on YouTube it's more of an actual subscription service.

>>4646917
yes, and until youtube implements a way for the viewer to see the number of members, you can put away that silly 20k member number, this is a COLD HARD FACTS thread not a delusional thread.

>>4646349
>>4646856
Fuwa doesn't do ASMR/BFE shit. Cope.

>>4647027
imagine being this njibronie coping this hard, shameful

>>4646961
True, if I remember correctly Ironmouse hovers between 12-14k subscribers because a certain amount of those are gift subs that don't necessarily get refreshed.

>>4647013
its more about the fact that nothing has a 100% participation rate if its this big so they will have more members than what the polls say. whatever that percent is, is purely speculation though

>>4644006
He can if he put some effort but he loves debuffs and all he cares about is having fun

>>4646937
stop spamming the site holobronie

>>4647147
stop ban evading nijinigger

>>4647172
why are you holobronies like this?
>>>/v/558327519

>>4646853
>I wonder what the percentage is voting among members. Gura could easily have over 20k which is pretty insane
Well Gura did a normal poll (for everyone) and it had 230k votes. Her videos tend to get double that, to show that not everyone votes even on the normal ones. So you just have to guess a bit, but 20k is fair.

>>4647195
why are you spamming?

>>4647214
>n-no u

>>4646602
That's at least $60k/mo in steady income. What the fuck.

>>4647013
Speculation is a big part of the numbers game nerd. I'll say it right now, Gura most certainly has over 20,000 members.

>>4647209
50% participation as a minimum might be a fair assumption but there's not much you can base it on that i can think of

>>4647195
>he really has just crossposted himself

>>4647286
>thread was made 2 hours before this discussion
oh no no no holobronies ...

>>4647027
anon... hosts are essentially male prostitutes minus the sex. and some of them have sex with clients for money too.

>>4647251
meds

>>4647286
he is that tryhard

I never understood why people made up this GFE/BFE term when you could just say fanservice

>>4647277
Youtube and Cover probably both take a percentage of that, right?
I know Twitch takes 50% of the sub money from smaller partners and bigger partners have individual contracts where they negotiate better splits.

>>4647285
I’m assuming a bit more than 50% of her members voted, otherwise if it was exactly 50%, her members would have be 24k.

>>4647339
>idols are essentially female prostitutes minus the sex
This is what you sound like. Fuwa gets money purely by being entertaining while Rushia does it by pretending to be some loser's girlfriend.

>>4647488
no, that´s not SC

>>4647339
hosts and hostess aren't prostitutes. They basically just talk to you and drink, nothing more. Their clients wish they were prostitutes, as this only really happens outside of the establishment, not under the own place like pink salon and other actual prostitution things specialized in blowjob, handjob and other stuff not being pussy fucking.

>>4647464
cope, you're the bronies of the site right now

>>4647209
>did a normal poll (for everyone) and it had 230k votes. Her videos tend to get double that
Obviously not all members voted, but I'd expect members to have higher engagement than normal viewers.

>>4647534
meds

>>4647490
that was sort of what i was trying to get across think i worded it a bit off. that at most she has 50% of her members participate so a max of 24k members.
a realistic percent might be 60%-70%

>>4647529
Youtube takes absolutely no money from memberships? Are you sure? That sounds hard to believe, but great if it's true.

>>4647600
>>4647529
I just looked it up and it seems Youtube takes a flat 30% from memberships. It is unknown if Cover takes something too.

>>4647600
> YouTube will take 30 percent of creators' channel membership revenue, giving creators 70 percent of the $4.99 price tag
they most certainly do

>>4647600
sorry, didnt mean to reply to you

Gura has $5 and $10 memberships, so it’s hard to get a good number on how much exactly she is making.

>>4647828
What if we assume that all of them are at $5 to get an estimate for the minimum?

>>4647952
Then 20k members = 100k dollars.

>>4647952
>>4648032
no, cause YT accepts all type of currency

>>4648032
Damn, that's huge...

>>4648305
>ARS

>>4648477
yeah...

>>4648477
What is an ARS?

>>4646961
Why doesn't Youtube have that? a decent amount of gifted subs on twitch turn into real subs

>>4648638
google ARS to USD

>>4648707
What is the chance of spam bots getting free subs?

>>4648638
You get things like red SC's on youtube way cheaper by paying in ARS.

>>4648305
>no, cause YT accepts all type of currency
100k a month estimate is fair, because the other option ($10 membership) is just being counted as $5.

>>4648788
That probably depends on the amount of spam bots in chat and how quickly mods are banning them. It's not impossible.

I wouldn't count Ame's donation stream to anything desu. It's a donation stream, for charity. It's supposed to make the most money in all that time, unlike any previous stream. It's like an entire category so I think you all should ignore it and not put in the top 10 superchats.

>>4649005
Cope

>>4649005
>you all should ignore a charity stream rather than put in the top 10 superchats.
Well people can just take it into consideration when they see the number, and the motivation behind it.

I just find it hilarious that Nijiniggers were flexing about Fuwa's superchat total and then it gets blown out the very next day, lol.

>>4649005
Even if they wanted to count it, they can't exactly do that because it's not done via superchat like all others.

>>4649238
>>4649238
People aren't donating it through superchat so it won't show in the superchat statistics. Sorry holobronies, you lose!

>>4649238
How so? It's a charity event, those make much more money than normal. And it isn't even done in superchat to be on the list so it can't break anything. lol Imagine numberfaggin a charity event of all things.

>>4649395
Doesn't mean it didn't happen and we will create the lists to remind you of it every single day. You are going to have to do your coping reps because you are going to hear about it constantly.

>>4649416
>lol Imagine numberfaggin a charity event of all things.
I wouldn’t put it past anyone.

>>4649457
>we will create schizo headcanons that don't show up in youtube statistics
Such is the life of an obsessed holobrony

>Japanese don’t like giving to charity, so it doesn’t count.

>>4649539
It doesn't count because it's not fucking superchat, holobrony. How is that hard to understand?

>>4649605
Actually I was taking both sides. That it’s dumb to count it, and that the Japanese don’t care about charity.

>>4649605
Doesn't matter

It's an easily trackable donation and it will be counted.

>>4649759
You can 'count it' however you want, but it doesn't have anything to do with Fuwa's record.

>>4649395
why are hololive watchers so obsessed with roleplaying as nijisanji watchers?

1 person alone has donated 25 grand, Jesus.

>>4645869
is that camp fire thing happen in a single stream?

>>4646663
Of course, the sperg did it before back when Nijisanji and Hololive hadn’t split from vyt.
Also he’s the only that uses holobrony, it’s one of his biggest tells.

>>4650277
he spells it as 'bronie', it's so painfully obvious

>>4647488
Youtube takes 70% of any membership fee and I don't believe that cover takes anything from memberships unless I'm misremembering something or they changed something behind the scenes.

>>4651051
>Youtube takes 70% of any membership fee
30%

>>4651051
Youtube takes 30% of everything, anon. But if you are a big player like Cover, you might have a better deal, but there's a NDA and all that. Same thing with Twitch, and any other monetized platforms. If you bring big numbers, you have more negotiation power.

>>4646532
Dude, people here are going to compare the upcoming nijisanji apex tournament with gura’s outfit reveal. What shame do they have? Context don’t fucking matter to people here.

>>4647277
Lol no, not everyone buys membership in USD. I'm also membered to Gura but mine isn't even worth 2 bucks.
t. 3rd world shitholer

>>4649005
Yeah and the apex tournament totally count even though it is not on an actual individual vtuber.

>>4651678
The apex tournament shouldn't count but falseflaggers will have their fun with it.

>>4647277
You do realize two dude is about to earn million of dollars just for punching each other for several minutes right?

>>4651519
No shame. I'm making fun of Nijiniggers today because the superchat record they were bragging about yesterday barely stood for a single day. Then I will be making fun if Holofags after the Apex tournament beats the viewership record.

It's not just about the numbers but its the numbers combined with hiw you use those numbers as ammo.

>>4639910
anyone grab the podcast, or have link if its up? I see nothing on twitter. Curious to know what she talked about.

>>4641979
kek, nice image, but the holy hammer of nijipexdex tourney is gonna blow that sword away, just you wait, only a week left.

>>4652828
Has the last participant been announced yet?

>>4644402
It'll never happen because of culture clash between Japan and Western countries. They're seen with alot more skepticism over there for some reason. For example, cover raised about 1 million yen for some covid drive, while ame mogged that within the first few hours on her stream alone. In most cases, Nips just don't do charity.

>>4652885
No

Strong showing by nijisanji today. Only 3 males and 5 females, manjisanji my ass. 8/25 is very respectable and 2 of the top 3 is a lot.

>>4649908
Mental illness. Niggas need to outside and touch grass.

>>4652828
If the Niji tournament fails, you won't hear the end of it.

>>4654118
because the only people who care about nijinumbers are hololivefags
you will circlejerk with all the samefaggers because 1% of this board actually watches nijisanji

>>4653855
Refer to this, Niji got mogged

>>4644276

>>4649999
context doesn't matter, number big

>>4654212
Literally doesn't even mean anything, it's just peaks scattered across the day, no meaning in totaling them at all

>>4654212
more than 40% of hololive views are from not Japan. The numbers are about even in the main market with Nijisanji having the heavy hitters.

>>4649999
A month long and it’s like Kickstarter.
Never heard of an established business asking fans for money to build the business like that other than start ups.
The closest I can think of is when Sony advertised Shen Mu’s Kickstarter cause they didn’t want to fully back it.

>>4646002
To my understanding isn't it basically preordering merch like what Holo does? Just it needs to reach a certain amount in order to come into production, which it hit.

Imagine being a holowhore and getting your ass handed by someone with only a small fraction of your subs. Why does hololive have so many dead subs?

>>4654237
>your rule of context don’t matter
>mine does
In that case then fuck the record of most earn super chat in one stream, let use total super chat instead, oh wait, holo would dominate, can’t let that happen now right?

>>4654511
Imagine being gay enough to watch a dude act out vn.

>>4654570
yeah context doesnt matter
nijisanji has more vtubers so they win!

>>4649759
>>4649730
are we going to count twitch donations as well then?

>>4654630
another win for Nijisanji!

>>4654619
Yes.

>>4652828
>nijipex btfo gura's costume reveal
>holoen 2 btfo both nijipex and gura & holoen1
>holoen 3 btfo holoen 2
>holoen 4 btfo holoen 3
and so on... its too tiring..

OH NO HOLOBROS WE ARE LOSING AGAIN . FIRST IT WAS THAT FAGGOT, NEXT WEEK WE'LL LOSE EVERYTHING

>>4654118
true, the seething is going to be legendary either way.

>>4654804
>lose everything
lmao look at this clown

>>4654722
based

>>4639973
because they are all gigachads

>>4654212
I am just pushing back on the narrative that Nijisanji females are of a lesser breed and are second class vtubers.

>>4652828
I'm still going to claim hololive credit since Matsuri and Towa are in.

>>4654630
literal calvinball.

>>4654905
what's niji's total male to female ratio again?

>>4654998
4:1 females male

>>4654905
Nijisanji females are only accessories for the male livers to use as objects for their content if they feel like using them.

>>4654511
So because you keep posting it I decided to check and your Niji faggot has ZERO, I repeat, ZERO streams with over 1 million views. He only has 5 total videos with over 1 million views when you factor in songs/dumb meme shit. Gura has over 20 regular streams with over 1 million views.

His super chats are also pitiful and Gura has more than doubled his super chat total despite him debuting 3 years ago and Gura only 8 months ago.

>Gura
$586,506
>Toya
$261,180

Keep this in mind, he has been active for 3 years and Gura 8 months

Total Channel Views
>Gura
119,314,046
>Toya
57,999,421

Yeah, looks like Gura is totally mogging his sorry ass.

>>4655570
he got more live viewers than her today

>>4654883
OH NO HOLOBROS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO AGAINST VSHOJO AND NIJINIGGERS.

>>4655570
And despite all that she still can't get more live viewers than him. Keep in mind you're comparing someone with literally 9 (NINE) times more subs. Gura can't keep her momentum.

>>4655512
Literally many female are above many other male lol

>>4655865
Clearly those subs mean something when she has received 120 million channel views in 8 months of activity.

You dude has been active for THREE YEARS, I repeat, THREE YEARS, and only has 57 million. That is really sad.

Stop using Kenmochi to shitpost, he's above that tribal bullshit.

>>4655570
Despite all that he gets more live viewers than her. If you compare gura with Kizuna Ai she has 250 million less total views but Gura still does 20k while Ai does 2-3k when livestreaming.

>>4656100
No one with a brain takes 90% of the posts here seriously

OH NO HOLOBROS THE NUMBERS ARE SCARING ME, VSHOJO IS COMING TO OUR ASS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO

>>4656182
That is a terrible comparison. Streaming isn't Ai-chan's main thing and she also has a TON of music to pump up those channel views.

>>4656293
welcome to the numbers thread
once they release how many brush strokes it took to make everyone's models there will be even more arguing

>>4656070
>Gura
Reclining, can't keep the momentum
>Toya
Inclining, can keep the momentum
Cope.

I could use Kuzuha here as well since he BTFOs her in every metric but subs, but Toya is more impressive due to his relatively low sub count.

>>4656182
>He still gets more live viewers than her
It's probably closer than it should be concerning their sub differential but he absolutely does not.

Gura has 19,553 and Toya has 15,597 for averages according to playboard.

But I have to point out, as the one anon said, Gura really does crush him in VOD views and that is where the sub differential really kicks in it seems. It's a huge difference when comparing VODs.

OH NO HOLOBROS THE NUMBERS THEY ARE TERRIBLE HOW ARE WE LOSING

>>4656484
I guess that's probably why Kuzuha has worse VOD than Gura and Pekora even though sometime he's above or equal to them in live viewers.

>numbers I like are better than you numbers and the ones you like don't mean anything
Why is this thread so tribal when there are many revenue streams that are capitalized in different ways and often talents don't have the same circumstances between each other? Just post numbers.

>>4656480
>Kuzuha
You had to go there didn't you, lol

Average Live Viewers
>Gura
19,553
>Kuzuha
17,241

Average VOD views
>Gura
638,518
>Kuzuha
371,885

He does beat her in Super Chats but again, he has been active for 3 years while Gura only 8 months. He is also a popular vtuber who has been active for 3 years so he does beat her in total channel views, but again, huge time difference. Instead we can look at this to see where they are trending in total channel views

Total streams over 1 million views (not counting music/short clips)
>Gura
21
>Kuzuha
4

Sorry dude, she mogs Kuzuha too.

>>4656623
Pekora/Gura (and the rest of Hololive) also have tons of fans in every time zone, not everyone can watch streams live.
Nijisanji is heavily concentrated in one time zone with few fans in different ones.

>>4656766
If every hololive fan was in the same timezone what would holo numbers be? I don't think it'd be enough to pass niji

>>4656748
I have no idea why you sounds butthurt about this cumbud. I was only mentioning that despite having similar or more views in some streams, his vod views are much smaller because he has much less subscribers.

And if anything, Gura having over 2.5 million and being almost in the same level of average live viewers as Kuzuha who has "only" 800k paints another picture to this...

>>4656748
>only some numbers matter
stop being racist

>>4656834
That's how they got so many subs and live viewers anon. It's a point that holo has and no other jp agency has.

>>4656484
>>4656748
Playboard takes the last 14 livestream into accounts. A few of those were before she started reclining. Kuzuha and Toya definitely beat her in the last 5 or so now.

OH NO HOLOBROS WE ARE LOSING GROUND OVER VSHOJO AND NIJINIGGERS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO

>>4656834
Probably ~170k live viewers for every stream

>>4657014
>reclining
oh please, she has been around 20k average since the initial hype of HoloEN wore off. She stabilized, not reclined. God you people are so stupid. Besides, Kuzuha only averaging 17k is a massive recline for him as well.

Pecor > all vtubers.
https://note.com/mayoi_max/n/n77a71cf6d9da

>>4657203
She was at 15k before, got boosted by the outfit reveal and then started going back to 15k again.

OH NO HOLOBROS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TOMORROW

>>4655855

>>4657325
Her games had been very underwhelming this week ngl, but that's okay tho, I'm fine with having a DbD player in Hololive

>>4657491
OH NO HOLOBROS WHY ARE WE LOSING SO MUCH NUMBERS TO VSHOJO LATELY.

>>4641283
You’re the creator of HoloTracker?

>>4657239
The chart is only up to March 2021

Pekora had
133,824,650 minutes in April, 2,230,411 in hours
207,821,990 minutes in May, 3,463,700 in hours

total of 5,694,111 hours

Overall: 33,723,175 hours

Kuzuha had
130,338,000 minutes in April, 2,172,300 in hours
151,740,720 minutes in May, 2,529,012 in hours

total of 4,701,312 hours

Overall: 30,662,749 hours

Difference: 3,060,426 hours.

source: giken

>>4656748
>has three times sub numbers
>only two times views and 1.1 times live views
dead subscribes?

>>4657623
And Kuzuha is streaming nothing but Valorant which nets him much less viewers than usual and Toya is streaming shit like Gartic Phone, Zatsudans and getting 33k peak max viewers on fucking slither.io.

OH NO HOLOBROS WHY ARE WE LOSING GROUND TO OTHER VTUBERS

Our girl, the OG virtual pop star, Hatsune Miku would currently be #2 on this VNUMA chart, only behind Pekora. FUCKING BASED!!

>>4640178
the horns throw them off

>>4658299
>slither.io
That was a great stream.

>>4658408
OH NO HOLOBROS WHY ARE WE LOSING TO VOCALOIDS NOW

>>4658993
Miku isn't a Vocaloid anymore slowpoke. Where you been?

>>4659019
OH NO HOLOBROS WHY ARE WE LOSING TO VOCALOID VTUBERS

>>4656834
>I don't think it'd be enough to pass niji
Pass Niji on what? Gura alone can produce close to 200k viewers. From there it's all about how much overlap she has with the rest of Hololive. If what that scraper-kun brought us a while back was accurate then maybe Gura's overlap is fairly low so we can assume that maybe Gura in any kind of major event (that is her forte) would bring in 100,000 viewers easily.

>>4659186
Gura 3D concert would probably shatter any vtuber record if we are being honest. If she can draw 110k for a karaoke, just imagine that.

Gura would be able to get 500k viewers pretty easily if she stop holding back.

OH NO HOLOBROS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WHEN VSHOJO SURPASS US

>>4659186
>Pass Niji on what?
I don't know. Anyone else notice that numberfagging criteria to what is a success has been getting narrower and narrower as nijisanji loses their lead in things? No one even bothers to discuss subs anymore since hololive won that metric several times over. Same with VOD views. Same with SCs until now, then it magically becomes important again.

> write hundreds excuses to say it is the most accurate metric to evaluate streamers performance while willingly ignoring all glaring demographic and geographic differences of their audiences.
> muh peak CCV
> views doesn't matter
> on YouTube
Only people in this place think CCV is the most important metric.
Oh yeah, context doesn't matter here as well.

>>4659594
Toya has proven that subs mean nothing. Japanese don't have the same "like and subscribe" culture that the West does: >>4643500

>>4659257
I don’t know, I think ame would be a pretty high contender too especially after what she pull for her outfit reveal. People might be more hype for her 3d debut to see what shit she would pull so she also has a chance to break the record.

>>4644491

>context doesn't matter

4chan in a nutshell

>>4659693
Nah, I'm not talking about a 3D debut. I would actually expect Ame to do better there considering how creative she can be. I was talking about a full 3D live like the ones Suisei and Aqua had.

>>4659257
>>4659693
>implying people give a shit about Cover's awful 3D
The outfit reveal streams got way more views than any of their 3D streams ever.

>>4659676
It's nijifags coping. Live viewer count is the only thing they can compete, they still lose to Pekora everyday though and they also lose to Gura in term of biggest number.

>>4659845
True, cover 3d is ass compare to nijisanji but you are delusional if you think people won’t show up for the en girls 3d debut. Outfit men’s shit when they can see the girls use all their body moment for the first time plus what kind of plan they have for the debut, those hype is enough to get people to watch.

The only metric that matters is my taste.

>>4659845
"awful" 3D or not, if you don't think a full 3D concert by Gura wouldn't draw an insane amount of viewers you are just delusional. Aqua got over 100k for her 3D Live. Gura would easily double that.

>>4659845
Nijisanji 3D debuts still have clipping and framerate issues and people still watched them. You are crazy if you think Gura won't get even bigger numbers with Cover's tech.

>>4659686
Subs dictate how much you get in ad revenue and high VOD views give you lots in revenue. Don't discount it because your team happens to not do as well.

>>4660015

The only good post

>>4660101
>>4660145
There is still a chance that she won’t especially if cover decided to have her 3d in prime time japan instead of prime NA. If she do it in prime time NA then yeah she would probably beat her old record especially if it is in the weekend.

>>4660454
There just isn't. I don't even watch Hololive and I know. Feel free to grudgepost this if I'm wrong.

>>4659594
>>4659676
Nijifags have always been full of shit, I remember them bitching about m-muh eops until Ichikara tried and failed to get eops.

>>4660145
They have all of that and still are 10x better. Instead of defending cover over their 3D, you should try to make them invest money on it to make it better

>>4660722
That's pathetic, as expected of 4chan. Imagine being so retarded over agencies like that.

>>4660722
Absolutely BASED!! This post kills the Nijinigger.

>>4660722
Anycolor is fine without the west. Nijisanji talents don't want the west like hololive talents do, even Sora is courting them. They wanted a foothold in the west for future endeavors. They don't need it but it keeps shareholders happy.

>>4644491
>>4645173
>muh "record is a record"
Just so we are clear. There are three types of content that exist in the entertainment industry.

>regular content
Essentially, your regularly scheduled programming. Events are also part of this group, since events are there just to add variety to the content to keep it fresh.

>sponsored content
People pay you to shill shit. This is what normally brings in the big bucks for corporate entertainment. Being VTubers isn't an exception, so assume that these girls are getting paid five-to-six figures to shill shit.

>good will
This is the one that is the rarest type of content because there usually nothing in it for the people producing such content other than generating good will with the public. Charity drives are part of this group because people are more willing to donate money/things that they can easily part with if it means that it helps someone/something in need. It also helps that in parts of the world, giving to charity can be written off when filing taxes, which is why you see rich people randomly donating oodles of cash for no reason (they're just farming good will).

Finally, the elephant in the room: "donation".
People like to throw this word around when talking about SC, often calling them donations when they really aren't such. Donations are an act of charity, usually with no expectation of services in return. The correct term for SC's/Memberships is 'patronage', as in, you are a patron that is paying a service provider for providing goods and services.

Friendly reminder that Hololive and Nijisanji are getting absolutely MOGGED in concert quality right now.

https://www.twitch.tv/cfm_official

>>4659676
You need to be braindead nijinigger on full copium support to believe that holoJp has different demographic and geographic in audience

>>4662203
What's about EN?
Also the types of fans of Niji and HoloJP are not similar. (I.e fujos, casuals, and idolfags.)

>>4662165
OH NO HOLOBROS AND NIJIBROS, WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH US? ARE THE INDIECHADS THE FUTURE OF VTUBING? WHERE ARE YOU ALL?

>>4662165
Why are they streaming on twishit?

>>4655730
cope

>>4662203
What do you mean? Every single holo has at least 40%+ overseas viewers. Pekora has 60% for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdmYDCYuizs

>>4662655
Because they assume the west all watch twitch streams.

>>4658061
kuzuha had to stream a lot more to get near Pekora numbers, lame

>>4662165
Well, technically it can be replicated but cost of full mocap studio is a bit high for now.

Model wise you do not want to have a different model's quality between studio and normal stream. And streamers are set with low-cost home-style solution. Also you need to do so for all 40+ models of your agency.

Tech will get cheaper sooner or later but for now it is quantity over quality in terms of presentation.

>>4662862
As expected from nijinigger you can't even comprehend what you watch. This is not youtube auditory numbers but a questionnaire which was was filled by a lot of eops nousagis (link was posted and promoted in en discord). More to it the absolute number of participants is not high enough to be statistically meaningful.

>>4662655
Because they couldn't stream the preshow on Youtube for some reason. There's a stream on Youtube too.

>>4662165
Its decent but the chinks beat them.

>>4662862
just check and compare the fan art tags for pekora and kuzuha, latter gets like twice as much of art
pekora views are either 50% botted or 50% eop that do not contribute

>>4663760
now this is how you cope kids

>>4663546
r/hololive must be nijiniggers as well because they also believe on this, faggot.

>>4663760

>>4663882
coping would be you to try and deflect that argument
azure gallery shows 6k art hashtag entries for kuzuha, and 3k for pekora for the last 2 month

we can clearly see kuzuha has an actual community and fans behind him while pekora is mostly watched by eop tourists and underage

>>4664081
*3 months

>>4663940
And how come the mental capabilities of reddit is of my concern?
If you so adamant to find a number where nijis are stronger and beat any holo to dust I will oblige to provide one. No need to go so aggressive, there is one to keep a light of hope for you.

Nijis are excel at sucking dicks, they beat any other company hands down in this department. Here you go, use it to keep your copium level high.

>>4664081
>Pekora
https://www.pixiv.net/en/tags/%E5%85%8E%E7%94%B0%E3%81%BA%E3%81%93%E3%82%89/artworks
>Kuzuha
https://www.pixiv.net/en/tags/%E8%91%9B%E8%91%89/artworks

now seethe and cope more nijinigger

>>4664076
why web search and not a youtube one?
anyway


https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?gprop=youtube&q=%E8%91%9B%E8%91%89,%E3%81%BA%E3%81%93%E3%82%89,pekora,kuzuha

yup, pekora is ~40% eop

>>4664222
>pixiv
as expected of eop
cope

>>4664222
>she doesn't know all the kzh artists are on twitter
sis...

>>4664359
>nooooooooooo you have to choose the numbers where I win
being you must be suffering everyday, good luck

>>4664410
>he doesnt know all the pekora artist are on twitter
bro...

>>4664410
>twitter
No wonder Nijiniggers are such toxic assholes. Twitter is the armpit of the internet so if they come from there they are literal sub human garbage.

>>4662165
>miku
No shit sherlock.

>>4664453
cope pekora's underage clipwatchers cant even beat the shark

Pekora always streams at times when Amerimutts are awake while Kuzuha doesn't. She's very aware of her EOP audience.

>>4664222
Vtubers themselves dont check anything but the hashtag if they want to see fanarts
Why would someone post their trash on long abandoned pixiv, if theyre an actual part of community and not just a passerby eop tourist?

>>4664988
you are reaching levels of cope that shouldnt be possible, pls stop

>no arguments
>begins to falseflag
you were easy anon, thanks for entertaining me

>>4665060
cope pekocuck

>>4664290
kek

>>4659544
meds.

Sorry can someone direct me to the numbers thread, I seem to have walked into the coping and seething thread by mistake

>>4665750
thats every thread except for monthly one

What is a fair estimate for the amount of members that Kiara has?

OH NO HOLOBROS. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WHEN THE VCHADS COME TO US AND PICK OUR PLACE?

>>4664290
Oh no, fellow KuzuCucks, how will we ever recover!!!

>>4664620
MIKU!!!

Report from the Miku Miku Miku!!!

32k on Twitch
33k on Youtube

65k total

>>4665973
that was a fun stream, maybe I need to catch up with whatever I missed tomorrow

>>4666097
Yeah, it was great. A little on the short side (only a little over an hour when most Miku concerts go much longer) but the set list was amazing and the new models looks adorable as fuck.

>>4665838
Pekora vs. Kuzuha is literally Final Fantasy vs. Dragon Quest. Quite hilarious.

>>4666436
>Kuzuha
Do male streamers actually count? Serious question.

>>4666696
yes

>>4666696
Huh? What does this even mean? I was talking about how Dragon Quest is bigger in Japan (but it's pretty close) but Final Fantasy is MUCH bigger in the rest of the world.

OH NO HOLOBROS OH NO HOLOBROS I CAN'T CONTAIN MYSELF THE NUMBERS. HOLOLIVE IS GOING TO BE SURPASSED IN 2021 OR 2022. I SEE NIJINIGGERS ON EVERY PLACE OF MY HOUSE AND VSHOJO WHORES IN MY BATHROOM. THEY ARE COMING.

>>4666436
That comparison makes more sense for hololive and nijisanji desu.

Hololive is FF and Nijisanji is DQ.

>>4667234
I mean I was just using the top talents but yeah, the analogy works for the entire agencies as well, lol.