/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

wwe is just theater for intellectuals

I wish Hololive would do more scripted storylines

>>45603232
Watch the anime

Everything is WWE. Nothing is real. Everything is planned in smoke-filled backrooms. Every conflict. Every disagreement. Don't believe what they say. Tune out the enraged speeches and watch what they do and you will see the truth.

I thought that as well, it just makes sense as a comparison

good luck nWo

>>45603128
Shit, honestly, if vtubing were to imitate certain aspects of wrestling more, it could improve greatly.
>higher emphasis on kayfabe
>management actively keeps yabs out of the public eye and manufactures kayfabe rivalries to keep audiences distracted
>management organizes entertaining events between chuubas, with their own heel/face storylines
Of course, the chuubas would have to forget about any RM shit, let alone PL stuff. Admittedly this would be hard with social media, but all measures would have to be done to keep the show going smoothly.

>>45603546
This is what vtubing should be, particularly the kayfabe bit

>>45603128
>gura has finally streamed after three months of hiatus and it looks like it's another boring zatsu... MY GOD is that?
>It's Ame with a fucking chair! Holy fuck, will she...
>NO, Gura is down! She's dead! Not that it matters, as it wont' affect her streaming schedule, but by god Ame with a Chair has done it.

>>45603605
Then why nobody watch that shota flayon, he kayfabe 100%

>>45603546
The jps have mini arcs all the time. Well at least they used to. Like the first rust season or everyone fucking with shubangelion. Theres like a 40 minute clip montage of watames and haachamas minecraft romance.

>>45603128
and niji is that AEW outlaw mudshow shit

>>45603695
The fact that he's Holostars and not Hololive EN already filters the traditional vtuber audience (most males), and him being a femboy shota would prolly filter fujos who prefer more masculine guys. You can't correlate his having low CCV with being 100% kayfabe when he already has all these debuffs
>>45603605
>>45603756
In the JP side of things, it's a lot easier since it's partly what the audience is looking for (anime but it's live and on YT). In the EN side, I imagine it's much harder to get something like this because western audiences want 'candidness' from influencers, rather than just entertainment. So you have EN chuubas who, lacking acting skills, use aspects of their real personalities to connect and be candid with audiences instead.
This is not to say that JP doesn't do this too; it's just at a much lesser degree compared to western chuubas

>>45603989

And Phase Connect is PWG,

So Vshoujo is control your narrative ??

>>45604187
No, because VShojo actually like exists. They'd be AAA or something, big but a different market.

>>45603989
The difference being people actually like Hololive and they havent alienated 75% of their audience. I guess AEW doesnt better by % than Niji but I dont watch Nijis and dont care

>>45603695
>vtuber has kayfabe
>"too cringe, lore is gay. i want them to talk normally!"
>vtuber has no kayfabe
>"wtf? normie bitch cant even stick to lore, personality sucks."

>>45604187
>>45604262
Vshojo is like NJPW.

>>45603128
As a fan of both I kind of see what you mean. Rival companies with lots of talent with personalities that meld and clash, it's just that in vtubing the drama and yabs are accidents that haven't been really capitalized on yet. We need some level of scripted drama and yabs for max entertainment. Can you imagine Ame cutting a promo on Gura and trying to really make people think they hate each other for real? Getting into a fist fight in an off-collab? Would be pure kino.

>>45603989
>>45604074
Who's the ECW of chuubas?

>>45604719
Phase

>>45603128
That explains the numberfags.

>>45604677
The kayfabe would probably have to be more like an anime rather than traditional wrestling kayfabe. So you'll have Gura stealing something Ame is looking for in an investigation, and then "coming to blows" by fighting each other in Apex or some shit ("If you beat me, I'll give this back to ya").
Hololive will have to hire pretty solid writers to make that entertaining though, on top of good coordination between them and the talents themselves

>>45604800
Chatgpt for the outline. Its really that simple

>>45604558
As much as Great-O-Khan likes to brag about how often he gets his dick wet the man's an ardent Subatomo and a general Hololive fan.

>>45604719
>ECW
>Trendsetting and revolutionary but ultimately yab-stricken and dead

Kaguya Luna maybe?

>>45603128
but WWE is already WWE for weebs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDQScS__OQQ

>>45604841
The outline could be relegated to AI, yes. Though I think the actual writing of dialogue and execution would take at least one good screenwriter and a good acting director to make it at least halfway decent
Based on how AmeSame acted in scripted stuff like Smol Adventures, they'd have to be whipped into shape before being relied on to entertainingly act as characters instead of pseudo-RM personalities

>>45604448
Because the balance is seeing the kayfabe and real personality mix. Or at least, that's what I value in chuubas. If you're 100% kayfabe all the time it makes you come across as disingenuous to me. If you don't even bother keeping some kayfabe, to me it means you have little regard for keeping people entertained and perhaps ride the parasocial wave a little too much if you want your viweres to interact with anime you.
A mix of both is perfect because you stay true to yourself, you care about entertainment and keeping a healthy distance between you and your audience, and you let long-time viewers track your growth and see how you change throughout your career.
I think corpo chuubas should ideally go from mostly kayfabe to a comfortable mix of the two over time.

>>45604800
Yeah, I think that would work, let them stay in kayfabe when it comes to other members but in solo streams or whatever they can just be themselves to a certain degree so it's not acting all the time. You'd just have to somehow balance out letting them be themselves and following a script too.

I see you haven't visited the Holofightz thread yet

>>45605030
This post should be in the vtubing bible.

>>45603128
Not, really. It's just ewhores for weebs. At least there's some sort of narrative in WWE.

>>45605106
I agree, just like what >>45605030 said. Management will still have to keep a tight lid on yabs though, as well as be stricter in making sure that no RL/PL stuff comes out. If there's going to be any sort of yab, it'll only be manufactured ones designed to keep the audience engaged.

>>45603128
vtubing would be a lot cooler if everyone was on coke and steroids like classic WWF

>>45605225
>Management will still have to keep a tight lid on yabs though
>tfw Miko and Pekora get pulled over together with a bunch of drugs in their car despite being presented as enemies ons tream

>>45605236
True, but the mediums are simply too different for it to work. Most vtubers do solo streams the majority of the time. Wrestlers work with other wrestlers.
Vtubers need to immediate interaction with an audience - wrestlers can for the most part ignore the audience because the main draw is seeing the story play out and the fights, not getting Kawaii Uwu Chan to pay attention to you.

>>45605290
Lmao yeah
Or anything like the Madison Square Incident
>Girls from different Holo gens hug each other in the middle of a 3D concert, even though they're designated rivals in that season

>>45605468
Hololive already has so many cross company unity moments it just doesnt have the impact it once did. Earlier this year for example sora collabed with like 3 other OGs.

>>45603546
>higher emphasis on kayfabe
you people already try to call the cops if someone alludes to someones identity, I don't think you can emphasize kayfabe any more.

>>45603546
>higher emphasis on kayfabe
HoloEN tried to do that with Council and Omega, but this board hated it.

>>45603128
Vtubing is just streamers pretending to be cute anime girls.

It's you faggots who make it hell.

>>45606526
hating omegatroon is pretty based

>>45606526
NONE of them were remotely close to pushing the kayfabe. And you clearly forgot the hype videos were massively popular. The actual issue is that because the lore bar was so high, the talents couldnt possibly meet it.

>>45606617
>the hype videos were massively popular
outside /vt/, sure. but most people here were hating on shit like "praise the cube".

SHUT UP DUMB MARKS

>>45606778
I think instead of the companies designing lore first and hiring the talents for them second, they should find the talent and then have them actively involved in the lore around it. Having input in the design I feel is secondary to having input on the character itself. And gen themes need to go as well. Gen 3 isnt popular because of its theme. It's because they doubled down on making it a true unit.

>>45606526
It became clear that the Council lore was poorly thought out and the girls pretty much had to wing it from the getgo for the most part, and don’t forget Omega inserting himself into the conversation with that whole segment during the first Council collab, and then went on to actually providing nothing of value to EN for the longest time, then disappeared for ages and only came back as a vehicle to introduce Tempus which has created issues in its own way. Gee, I wonder why people might have a low opinion of Omega…

>>45606617
>The actual issue is that because the lore bar was so high, the talents couldnt possibly meet it.
I agree with this. Increased kayfabe is necessary, but you'll have to get people who are not only good streamers, but good actors. Or at least people who are good streamers and are willing to become good actors.

Pekora - Rock
Miko - Austin
Marine - Macho Man
Fubuki - Hogan
Aqua - Bret Hart
Gura - Lesnar

>>45603128
Hell yeah, brother.

-HH

>>45605175
The one that kwabbed?

>"Queering don't make the world work"
t. Usadamate Warrior

>>45603128
I'm too old to care anyway.

>>45606153
Retard, the point is for them to actually portray the characters.

>>45606778
>everyone else likes something
>but /vt/ doesn't
>clearly >we are more important

>>45609694
I'd have loved kayfabe when I was 12. As a grown autist it's cringe.

>>45610014
nah thats u

>>45610092
I barely bring myself to care about shit on netflix with proper professional writing.

is Chris Jericho the Kiryu Coco of wrestling
and CM Punk is the Rushia

>>45603128
It's more like modern reality TV for weebs

>>45612524
>Coco the Chris Jericho
Yes, it was sad when Yagoo pulled back her graduation stream when they found out she choked Kanata to death.

>>45603128
its true

>>45603178
based

>>45603128
https://twitter.com/2K_Japan/status/1636634765179731970

wouldn't weeb pro wrestling fans watch NJPW before they'd watch some anime girls playing games and singing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYl0PsA0jFQ

>>45603128
>For weebs
This implies Vtubing is a western concept.

>>45603232
Their 3Ds and panel shows are scripted

>>45603128
AEW doesn't draw a milly, kinda like Nijisanji.

>>45603546
EN Minecraft was often similar to wrestling.

>>45606526
Omega's lorefaggotry was just a bunch of chunni mutterings that somehow got made into a promo video. That shit falls flat in wrestling, too, with the only possible exception being Edge's introduction. Just like with Edge, it's clear that Council had no fucking clue where management was going with the promo videos beyond the little blurb we got for each character. Council also made very little attempts at asserting the kayfabe as their own, nor reinforcing it with their own ideas. The only exception is Sana, who did routinely lean into her kayfabe as a giant space baby that likes bread and cute things, but you know how that turned out in the end.
Forget "living up to the hype of the promos", Omega basically vagueposted on the HoloEN youtube channel and hoped the girls would somehow pick up what he was putting down. And when people (including the talents) didn't get it, he turned into a vtweeter.

>>45603546
Let's not forget the ability to write irl social mishaps into an actual storyline, like most recently Papa H wrote Strowman dumb tweet poking at flippy doodoo wrestling into teaming him up with the criminally underrated high flyer Ricochet.
So for instance the Haachama v Matchuli feud could have easily been feud of the year with long term booking.working towards a reconciliation hug on a 3D Live.

>>45604988
>Great-O-Khan likes to brag about how often he gets his dick wet the man's an ardent Subatomo and a general Hololive fan.
The man has adapted several Hologra moves into his repertoire.

>>45624182
It had a good start, and a great ending (they shared a spider) it's just there was nothing in the middle because it was real heh

>>45603128
Accurate but also a political side road for some, there's faggots that think Vtubing is all about them.

>WWE for Weebs
I liked when Korone chokeslammed Sora for the title belt, but then Ina ran to the ring and slid Sora a folding chair to even the odds.

>>45603128
>>45603232
>Holo birthday 3D collab
>at the end 3 guests turn on the birthday girl
>chair shots
>A-chan screaming HOW COULD THEY
>stream feed fades out unconscious girl

>>45603128
It's wrestling with more estrogen and less CTE.

>>45603128
JP vtubing maybe. ENtubers dismiss any form of kayfabe as parasocial cringe and are just egirls with avatars.

>>45603128
Most corpos are better run then current WWE
If only because they don't got a retarded senile boomer still thinking it's the fucking '80s and that the world ain't changed in 40 years

>>45606526
Ding Ding Ding

Who's the Nash of VTubers?
Pekora?

>>45626863
Pekora didn't get raped by blacks. Kiara, on the other hand...

>>45626996
But Pekora has that pic of her explaining what happened between her and Miko.
>Pekora is Nash
>Kiara is Wolfie
Jesus. It all makes sense now.

>>45626863
Has anyone else repeatedly been out due to injury? The first thing I imagine with Nash is torn quads so that's all I got to work with. Ame with her tummy hort I guess?

>>45606617
Or they didn't want to. Similar as they are, wrestling is far more active and reliant on spectacle. They NEED to sell that shit or they lose their job. VTubing is way more lax so setting up that kayfabe expectation doesn't mean anyone will ever follow it because there's near zero pressure for them to do so.

>>45603128
why are you even here?! go watch your normie shit and leave us weebs alone FFS!!

>>45603232
Holy shit you actually triggered the Nijisisters with this post kek

>>45612883
You're thinking of "the Rabid Chuubarine" Hitomi Chris

>>45603128
*glass breaks*
OH MAH GAWD SHES BACK

>>45634886
WHAT IS KSON DOING IN THE IMPACT ZONE?!

>Llllladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages
>Hololive Production, proudly brings to you, its Hololive English
>COLLAB CHAMPIONS OF THE WOOOOOOOORLD!
>La Creatividad Amelia Watson!
>The Samegaki Gawr Gura!
>A-ME-SAME!

I wrote this a few days before "fucking bitch" and never found a chance to use it.

okay so whose hunting gutter sluts for bestiality sex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv0LY9upBlE

>>45603128
Bullshit. Some WWE fans know that the personas, interactions, and so on of the performers are fake.

>>45603178
>wwe
>intellectuals
kek

>>45639206
>Some

There may be some trailor park on an indian burial Ground/toxic waste dump somewhere they still bellieve its real but humans with 46 chromosomes and less than 11 toes its clearly not

>>45639455
>implying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFoC3TR5rzI

>>45626206
Book it Tanigo

>NEXT WEEK ON HOLOLIVE Z:

>PEKORA BLOWS UP KOYORI'S LAB FOR HER SCAMS

>BOTAN STEALS IROHA'S POTATOS WITH A UBER MINECART

>PUSHED TOO FAR AQUA ZENLOSSES CHLOE AND CHASES PEKORA OUT INTO THE RAIN WHILE LAUGHING LIKE A YANDERE.

I dunno, hololive already is kind of like a wrestling show, only one of those things didnt happen. Can you guess which one?

>>45603128
People have been making comparisons to wrestling and anime, especially Shounen, for many years, but never seem to talk about the core of why this happens. The similarities are due to story structure, not medium, and it's not a coincidence, but an inevitability of human psychology. They're basically the same hero myths that have existed in every civilization, playing out in different contexts, cultures, and classes of people.

>>45639854
I know about the Botan minecart scheme.
I will 50/50 on Koyori's lab being exploded

>>45626863
>Someone who thinks the only metric worth measuring is how much money they made relative to amount of time spent working
>Is still horribly insecure and defensive if you even imply they're not as cool or successful as they want you to believe
>Got raped
I wanna say somebody from NijiEN because they've already got the Kliq but I can't be specific

>>45603128
IT'S REAL TO ME DAMN IT

>>45639955
That's right, but Koyori is building her TNT cannon closer to the Pekora tower, so she just may be the one to start the warcrimes this time.

wild how long this thread has gone on with no mention of hlfz

>We'll never get Jay White tier schizokino from a chuuba
I want a dangerously paranoid control freak chuuba who's not-so-secretly terrified of losing the spot she thinks she deserves

>>45603128
Now I know why /asp/ got nuked

>>45641323
We got one, but it turned out to not be kayfabe and she got fired over it.

>>45603128
Vtubing is fun but its not that good yet.

Who is the Tony of vtubing?

>>45642014
>Rushia screaming about how she's the real idol and deserves to be the one on stage more than anybody else
Fuck it, bring her back and have her go completely mask off it'll draw dimes

>>45603128
No, WWE is WWE for weebs

I unironically believe a vtuber corp running storylines like wwe would be huge, have some like weekly collab game like minigames in minecraft or whatever mario kart simple type games that even women can understand to force interactions and just farm the dramafags. People are still talking about pekora and miko hating each other or the gurame rust incident so imagine what you could get if you intentionally designed the drama

>>45603128
risu said she didn’t want to be compared to wrestling...
if I’m going to marry her I can’t participate in this discussion

>>45603546
Nah keyfabe gets extremely boring after a while imo. It’s fine to stick to a character for jokes like “haha I’m not flat” or “Im a devil not an angel”, but when they are talking normally about their life or motivations I don’t want them playing a character. I want them to be a genuine person with some keyfabe flair every once in a while.

>>45644365
Unironically, the idea of creating a vtuber/idol corp based in keyfabe and fake drama to promote bigger events is acually a good thing.

>>45603546
EN Rust was probably the most fleshed out arc we got. It was kino from start to finish.
>Gura being the elusive bigfish
>Mori's autism pool
>Ame's taxi service
>wipe day drama
>the oil rig raid
>Mumei killing IDs in cold blood
>Mumei's house
>Gura living under IRyS' floorboards

>>45644365
you'd need to get some chuubas that are fantastic at improv and producers paying close attention to everything and feeding them instructions on what direction to take things
i think it'll definitely happen in the future but if it's done half-heartedly or amateurishly then it'll fail

>Get some good writers on board
>Get input from the talents themselves
>Actually not half-ass it
Might actually be enough to save HoloEN if both flesh and spirit are still willing
BOOK IT, TANIGO

>>45603232
The early story lines (you know, the good ones) were scripted. Aqua's rebellion against Sora was pretty clearly scripted, as were a lot of the early yuri ships.

Project "Nemesis":

>Vtuber group announces a fighting game tournament; brackets, round robins, 4 ways etc.
>Full bracket card showen with current talent but with many empty spots.
>Questions arise about filling in certain spots on the card, management alludes to 'off-company' talent being asked to participate.
>Run "training arcs" where talents grind fighting ability and get to know the game.
>Tournament begins with some 'standard' talent-vs-talent
>Question mark pops up; "UNKNOWN"
>Stream/Management start 'glitching', leaving the fighters alone.
>Modulated voice for the opponent and the in-game match occurs. The talent is scripted to lose horribly.
>After the match, stream returns to normal but the talent is immediately pushed ahead.
>Other Question marks occur with 'random user35532113' showing up to job to the talent (possible small-corpo shoutout)
>Storylines continue with 'attacks' also happening in other games; Mario Kart being sniped, Overwatch games being 'yanked' into custom stomp-matches etc, Apex parties being hunted over and over. 'Mysterious' non-violent visitors in minecraft-like building games.
>Arc continues until the corporation announces that a threat has occurred and now they need to 'draw out' the interlopers.
>Talent replays the 'affected' games and slowly whittle down the list, 'defeating' those opponents.
>Once the 'final battle' occurs in Smash.
>Opponents all are revealed to be 'BAD GUYS' to the corporation's chuubas with only scripted/announced appearances due to being on 'the other side' with their appearances limited to 'reported sightings' or "Predetermined location"
>Arc carries through a 'season'with the 'looming' threat of an interruption imminent with 'BAD GUYS' hiding out there.
>Talent carries stories about wanting to defeat the 'BAD GUYS' with management announcing kayfabe 'movement reports' on the scripted opponents.

(The performers for the Bad Guys are all 'hidden' guest talent or unknowns)

Wrote a whole story arc just because....

>>45660625
This would really take a good team of writers and a director to pull off
Plus heavy coordination between all the talents involved
Pretty epic if they even manage a fraction of something like this

>>45604719
Wactor once they finally shut down that shitshow

>>45660876
I've actually wanted to be a WWE writer or show runner for a tv show back when I had dreams.

>>45603128
agreed

I actually want it to go a step further, where a bunch of agencies get together and turn their corpo rivalry into a secret, scripted event where they shit-talk and backstab on purpose, and then unite and collab, only to fight and break apart again after.
Impossible for a bunch of greedy suits controlling amateur talents, but it would be funny and the usual /vt/ console-war bullshit would get amped up considerably.

>>45603128
This is unironically why i got into vtubing, /asp/ memes were top tier shitposting and arguably defined 4chan (finna, cope, seethe, simp).
/vt/ is the 1992 kevin nash meme on steroids.

>>45660625
fund it

>>45626863
KWAB
W
A
B

>>45674864
I need access to willing chuubas, down-on-their-luck managers, and an office with unlimited hot pockets and xena tapes.

>>45607833
Because Gura never shows up to work?

>>45603128
discuss this

>>45627959
>Has anyone else repeatedly been out due to injury?
Years back being out on injury was practically Seth Rollins' gimmick

You know, Cover has enough girls at this point to do a Royal Rumble

>>45661448
The issue is often what's good writing is scrapped in favor of "what gets over the guy the higher ups want to go over"

>>45604719
In an alt timeline If hololive would have suddenly, rapidly imploded in the middle of their fastest upward trend.. then them.

>>45607833
We need a Goldberg, a HHH, and an Undertaker

>>45677339
When you work corpo script writing you learn to leave stuff open-ended in proposals and scripts. You claim the writing credit but the talent and corporation take all the recognition. You learn to disconnect your personal feelings once you've given your version for them to butcher.

>lights dim
>Rushia with black lipstick and a leather jacket rushes the stage and clotheslines Watame
>everyone boos her for what she just did
>she opens the jacket to reveal a tshirt that says ITS ALL ABOUT ME
>goes full Hollywood Hogan

>>45678145
Meant to reply to >>45644030
Also her stable she introduces that she says are gonna take down the company are all the former HoloCN

>Kson shows up for special events in a Mr. America situation where it's so obvious she's Coco but they never acknowledge it

>>45678145
based

>>45603507
No luck needed