/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

What was I supposed to do? A multibillion dollar company declared open season on her and even got their front-facing members to smear her. I'm just one guy.

>>45270852
You say it like there was anything >we could do

>>45270852
>Apply for black company
>OMG WHY DID I GET FUCKED OVER
Not my fault

>>45271252
Commit another Kyo Ani of course

>>45270852
If she wanted to do anything about it, she should have sued them. She's in Japan so she has every right to.
The only plausible reason she doesn't is because she knows they're right and she'll lose.
Funds? Can be crowdsourced.
Causes? She has them, if the claims are false
Support? She has it
Only thing left is confidence to win which she clearly has none of.

>>45270852
>Random neets on 4chin
vs
>A company, their employees, shills, chinks and deranged twitterfreaks
We never had a chance

>>45270852
>everyones comments and silliness is the best of homes has just been a huge source of happiness and hope for me
Yeah that support and happiness? me. I made her happy fuck off OP, HAIL ZAION

>>45271422
>bro just sue the multi-billion dollar company who can hire 300 lawyers overnight to make your life misery and ultimately bankrupt you and your children for 4 generations

>>45271422
> She's in Japan
By her on-stream admission she's an American in California... the only JP thing about her is her ethnicity.

>>45270852
This is one thing I've noticed getting into her after all of this drama--she's probably the most comedically oriented of anyone in EN at either company. It's a shame that we live in a time period where people send death threats to comedians instead of just laughing. She's really pretty funny. I hope she keeps going in vtubing and can move past all of this after she clears her name.

>>45271530
Japan's laws aren't shit like the US. She has a reasonable chance to win assuming the claims are bogus, which only she knows if they are or not.

>>45271563
Nvm then she's fucked.
This is what I get for threadreading that she's Japanese living in Japan.

>>45271422
Even if she's right, Niji has the ability to ruin her life even further just by dragging it out and making it super expensive for her. Also suing your ex-employer is a bigger red flag to a potential employer than anything else she's done.

Instead she should use the attention this drama has brought her to build her indie audience. And then we can all laugh as she gets higher ccv than her niji genmates

>>45270852
Why should I defend someone who I don't even know? She can just be lying right now

>>45271756
You could just not believe the corporation you don't know either. And just say, I don't know what the truth is. And I don't care.

As a fan, if her content is entertaining, so long as she's not like a rapist serial murder behind the scenes, then who really cares? If she's just "kind of a bitch" in a corporate setting--who cares? So long as she's funny

>>45271728
>And then we can all laugh as she gets higher ccv than her niji genmates
This is an absolute pipe dream unless you think she can permanently at the very least quadruple her former ccv for some reason

>>45271728
>please don't sue us for defamation

>>45271568
Why is she comedically oriented?

>>45270852
That sounds more like >we are rebuilding her smile after nijinigs destroyed it desu.

>>45271847
>implying she can't when her indie numbers were bigger than her niji numbers and flopsolel keeps flopping

>>45272533

She also comes swinging hard by claiming "lies" against her.

>>45271680
>threadreading that she's Japanese living in Japan
nobody ever said this. you just got her mixed up with the other 2 flopsolei girls who are nips living in japan.

>>45272655
>implying she can't when her indie numbers were bigger than her niji numbers and flopsolel keeps flopping
She was averaging about 500 ccv as an indie and about 1000-2000 in Xsoleil. She has to quadruple that 500 if she wants to beat all of Xsoleil, unless they tank to complete 3view shitter territory.

>>45271422
>>45271590
>they're right and she'll lose
>assuming the claims are bogus
Japan's laws actually are kind of shit, but in a different way: It doesn't matter if claims are bogus or not. Facts are still defamation over there. Which somehow make's NijiEN's actions even worse.
>>45271756
>She can just be lying right now
You know, a good part of the reason why people call NijiEN fans "bootlickers" is because of ignorant ass statements like these. You are suggesting she is lying, when she hasn't even spoken on the matter. Because she legally cannot tell her side of the story due to a non-disclosure agreement. That's what you don't seem to understand. This isn't "Her word against everyone else's". This is "Everyone dogpiling someone that they know can't defend themselves without being slapped with a lawsuit for trying to protect their own reputation". What do you call people who attack those unable to defend themselves? Bullies.

>>45271728
You can flip it around, though. It'll be extremely hard for AnyColor to sue her, too (heck, they lost against two random dramafag, for goodness' sake). Maybe Zaion should just do a tell-all or publish all communication records she has

>>45273884
>Maybe Zaion should just do a tell-all or publish all communication records she has
She can only legally do that after the NDA runs out. So expect to wait a long time unless she tries to vaguepost about it to skirt around it. Which I expect is what she will end up doing given her name-change. Probably going to try to include it in her new character lore.

>>45271847
She probably wont be able to get 4x the numbers, but she'll easily be able to get the same CCV she had in NijiEN, with not much of a hit to superchats earnings since now there's no longer a third party taking the money on top of that.
The fact of the matter is that unless you're really really small, or you really want to work with others, there's not really much of a reason to go corpo in this day and age once you grow to a decent enough size. All you're doing is trading where you are for more limitations, headaches, and someone taking your money for basically nothing.

>>45274031
So that's it then? She's not gonna fight back? She just gonna keel over and die then rebirth hoping none of the haters find her?
"Stand alone if you must, but you must stand"
This is a fucking statement that needs to spread. Too many cucks in this damn board.

>>45274031
May issue NDA for lifetime /permanently because it is so big a yab.

>>45271422
>Support? She has it
this is what makes me kek the most of all

>>45274347
Yes because if she breaks her NDA, she'll face severe financial penalties, which means MILLIONS of DOLLARS PLUS additional financial damages AND associated legal costs.

Breaking NDA's is nothing to mess with, so unless you have millions to spare for her then I wouldn't question her decision to not address it.

>>45274347
The problem is that NijiEN dragged her name through the mud to a point where one Music Video editor basically outed them just for the simple crime of Sayu likely following them on Twitter. Acting like NijiEN talents were "her friends" and how Sayu apparently caused them a lot of "trouble" even though the MV editor was probably just a paid outsider to Anykara and nothing more. While its just one person with zero influence, it could potentially represent a broader issue of Sayu effectively being black-balled by the EN Vtubing's """Community""".
Granted she has a lot of people following her now outside of the cancer that NijiEN brought with it who have sizable communities of their own, but it couldnt hurt to do a bit of a rebrand. Wait for the heat to die down more, then bring something new for both old and possibly new fans that knew her as Zaion. Try to explain her side of the story as best as she can too within the confines of her NDA, because who knows if that's still legally binding in America, or if breaking it may piss off other corpo chuubas that she may want to collab with.

>muh nda again
she would be completely retarded to sign an nda and continue to like comments dunking on niji

>>45274801
Are you underestimating the coffers and the real world generosity of Le Zaionist Army?

>>45274347
If black companies always failed to get their way then they wouldn't exist. But no, I didn't say she was or wasn't going to fight back. Only she knows her plans. I just said her hands are legally tied, until the NDA runs out, unless she wants to vaguepost and hope it doesn't count as breaking it.
>>45274483
That's not how it works. They didn't force her at gunpoint to sign an NDA during her termination. It would have been part of her hiring process. Standard for all members. So unless they ALL have permanent NDAs, there is no reason to believe hers would be.

Not that I have any idea how long their NDAs are in the first place. How long did it take for Unou to talk about her time in Nijisanji? Anyone know?

>>45274801
That's only if AnyColor can reach as far as US to sue her, though

>>45270852
But her smile is being protected?

>>45275277
They cant even deal with dramatubers or doxfag sites in Japan, they won't be able to do shit in America. But they still can issue false DMCA-tier strikes which could potentially have an impact on a channel's standing, unless another larger corporation like Youtube or Twitch has her back, which who knows since shes not that huge yet.

>>45272881
I mean once the next gen debuts, no reason to think xsoliel won't decline even further

>>45271838
Usually not defending people you don’t know includes a company of people you don’t know too
Ie there’s no reason to support or attack someone you don’t know/care about

>>45273750
>What do you call people who attack those unable to defend themselves? Bullies.
The people who try to push for 'no fighting' rules in institutions and groups are always the ones who stand to benefit from a situation where they can insult a person and they can't physically punch them back.

>>45275277
>>45275545
This is the crux point. Sayu is in the US and Niji can't really enforce this because, unless they scrub all the videos of other talents dogpiling her, the termination notice, and all the real life threats she got through doxx and swatting threats, Niji has no ground to stand in.
Sayu has a defamation case in her hands. She just needs to be smart.

>>45271422
The issue is that it takes years of your life for a lawsuit like this to go through, H3H3 and Sargon were already well established entities before their court shit, Sayu/Zaion is barely soluble on the money she's made

>>45271847
Anon she is very likely to sustain a much higher CCV as an indie than any of the xsoleil girls

>>45276509
>implying that the drama faggots who are using her for their larping are actually interested in watching streams and sticking around 2 months from now

>>45276408
She needs to make a stand regardless. It is symbolic that something like this needs to happen.
It is a symptom of a rot that has pervaded throughout this industry that was once free of all worries like this.
It is a symptom of the SJW/leftist culture that keeps invading and destroying every single hobby that has nothing to do with them in order to politicize it.
A line must be drawn, a point need to be made, a principle to be upheld.

>>45276509
You're not committed enough to watch 8 hours of Genshin a day just to own the nijiniggers, anon. Her initial dramabuff will be entirely gone in two weeks.

>>45276581
I didn't watch her streams and I only seen clips, once all the suspension shit started happening and kyo was being a cocksucker I watched some of her archives and was devastated that she was completely canned
I've even started watching some of her sayu content
>>45276714
I agree with you 100%.
But anon, she isn't pikamee or silvervale who have 1000+ hours of streaming under their belts and a sizable fanbase to support her

No one outside /vt/ actually understands how she was fired, most of the drama channels that covered the situation were too afraid of anycolor striking their channels again that they did not question the termination letter despite how obviously suspect it was or the ensuing bullying from her coworkers.

She just isn't in a position to clap hard against nijisanji right now despite being in the legal right to do so because of japanese defamation laws that are completely in her favor.

The best thing Sayu can do is to redebut and make better content than she was ever allowed to do in niji en

>>45277049
Anon i'm membered to kaela and vesper

>>45271563
I actually didn't know she's Japanese. You just made me like her more

Sayu please stream

>>45277309
NTA and while I agree with your overall points I want to make a correction. She actually has 3,927 hours of streaming as Sayu. I do agree she probably can't afford the legal battle that Anycolor would inevitably try to drag out for as long as possible, but she isn't destitute either since she's feeding her gacha addiction somehow.

>>45277309
>The best thing Sayu can do is to redebut and make better content than she was ever allowed to do in niji en
But all of this is under the assumption that the heat will die down and the ones that harassed her will move on.
It is under the assumption that once time passes, she will be able to start anew; a clean slate; a new ground in which it could be freshly dug out and lay a new foundation.
The truth of the matter is that they will not stop. They share the same demographics as the ones that harassed Kiryu Coco, and that is the Chinese.
They will not let this pass and they will continue to hound her until she fully breaks and submits to their pressure.
The only way in which this pressure will stop is to push back; to stand against this unrelentless slander of her character.
Even if you say that a lawsuit filed against Nijisanji will go nowhere, the very act of arming herself with a lawyer, or at the very least, seen as if she's arming herself with the lawyer will be enough to drive away most of the enemies. That's not a lot but at least start with that.

>>45277676
Sayu is pureblooded Japanese by birth, adopted and raised in northern California. It says as much in the bio linked on her twitch channel.

>get suspended for breaking rules
>refuse to change
>get fired
whoaaaa poor babygirl how could they do this oh nooo

>>45278757
Yasss slay sister!
#Cut4Hex

>>45274289
There’s always a reason to go corpo and that’s networking however that might not be a big enough reason for some people
Corpos can give opportunities that are nearly impossible for all but that 1 in a million indie
But also it might not pay out at all if you’re not compatible

>>45278757
How much did raid shadow legends pay you for this post?

bump

>>45270852
I am a demon now.

>>45279163
kek

>>45274936
>>45277309
>>45278204
I really want to just see a calm and positive outcome for her new streams when they're ready. No drama or tears but yeah seeing some chat in a few threads and there's this worrying thought looming.

Sure you don't play the niji rulebook to the letter and you're fired, it is what it is. But the public handling of the termination, the unnecessary chiming in of colleagues to further defend the company's position and the dramatubers putting it under a spotlight... it's not great.

Maybe just a big positive rush could do some good, kill them with kindness. She was friendly with a good number of popular indies. If those friends back her, prevent their own contacts (art, rig, music, writing) from writing her off and signal boost whatever she puts down I can only hope we see a turn around.

On the Niji-corp side of things, I'd rather not give the corp any extra headspace. Perhaps if a few more mishaps happen it can chip away at their image and the damage they've done in the eyes of the wider audience but that's wishful thinking and also more disasters could subject other streamers in the Niji umbrella to harassment too, to protect the brand.

I have no clue on how antis and doxx parasites can be handled. Their presence is always awful as there's always someone next in line.

>>45270852
I am not going to simp for a twitch thot just because her black company coworkers are cunts

>>45283576
>doxx parasites can be handled.
Like what I've been fucking saying. Just lawyer the fuck up and they'll scatter like cockroaches.

So, uh, when is she redebuting? I want to follow her.

>>45271376
can't. NijiEN is sprinkled all over the world.

>>45276714
Actually WE need to make a stand. At this point hololive is the last standing big corpo who goes about without getting pushed around by SJW demands. They understand that screeching twittertrannies don't contribute to their business anyway. Meanwhile nijiEN's fanbase ARE these people.

>>45284638
Can't really do much in here. Jannies are tr**ns and will shut down any attempt to organize, like they did with p*kamee in here and /pol/

>>45284638
hololiveJP & ID. EN on the other hand is full with SJW themself. Wizzard game doko.

>>45284304
No ETA, but she said she's settling "some things" and that she's prepared a lot of stuff for us.

>>45284638
That's because Nijisanji's fanbase are women and women go hand-in-hand with the modern religion.

>>45285461
Can't wait!

>>45284870
Well they didn't back down on the Gura daki so that's a good sign right...

>>45271422
retard

>>45283576
The greatest victory would be coming back and climbing to much better numbers than she had in that shithole. Catalog threadreaders seriously underestimate how much Yugo coming back to a bunch of success embarrassed the insanely petty fags in NijiEN management. They basically expected her to rope. That outcome alone had a ton of influence over Zaion’s mistreatment once they realized she was absolutely going to leave.

>>45286962
Hahahahaha. I don't watch TikTok fucking seaniggers shitskins zoomers. You are not white and never will be white. You are a self hating minoritie like everyone in /pol/ and underage. You don't understand the real world and geopolitics and capitalism.

>>45287402
And have a ideological schizophrenia. Like those retards in kiwifarms. There are same as social justice warriors in Twitter.

>>45277309
>No one outside /vt/ actually understands how she was fired
And you retards do?

>>45284638
>At this point hololive is the last standing big corpo who goes about without getting pushed around by SJW demands.
What's the name of the island nation south of China?

>>45288007
SJWs are mostly pro-Taiwan. They see it as a wholesome chungus democracy with gay rights and a female president #resisting the oppression of the fascist mainland.

thoughts?

>>45270852
This is what we failed to protect.

>>45290224
Filian I kneel.

>>45290224
what am i supposed to infer from this?

>>45270852
when is she going to drop the discord logs and declare war like she said? or was that a lie?

when is she going to start streaming again?

>>45270852

>>45290573
She's currently consulting a labor lawyer on her options. Contract workers like vtubers working for agencies are a difficult case, especially when the corporations are located in different countries, but fundamentally they still need to obey local laws. Currently she's looking to charge Anycolor with a wrongful dismissal (a retaliatory firing), trying to prove that she was discharged not because of breaking her contract, but because she said in February that she wanted to quit and go back to being indie after being disappointed in support from management and the lack of growth NijiEN had given her. Apparently her manager told her that "she can't just quit after a few months", and that "she would regret bringing it up", and she was "suspended" a week later (i.e. terminated but giving them some time to come up with a punishment for her for thinking she can leave NijiEN and do better elsewhere). What makes this case particularly hard is that she needs to prove to the court that they terminated unamicably her because of her wanting to go indie and not because of any of the bullshit reasons they slapped on the termination notice. Showing that other talents did the same things to face no repercussions could be one way to do it, and they're currently trawling through the entire management Discord log history and trying to match similar incidents on stream with a lack of response.

>>45291546
Nice fanfic bro

>>45291546
that seems like a difficult thing to prove but good luck nonetheless

>>45291765
Thanks.

>>45291838
Proving that a meaningful amount of them are bullshit and complete afterthoughts might be enough to convince a jury that it was retaliatory, so it's fine.

>>45291546
They scrub the entire discord and move to a new one whenever a person gets terminated, there are no logs left. We knew this from Yugo's termination.

>>45290224
what did this just happen on stream?

>>45276379
>>45275277
No, thats not how this works, her contract is in Japanese so what matters is JP law, not US law

>>45286962
>Catalog threadreaders seriously underestimate how much Yugo coming back to a bunch of success embarrassed the insanely petty fags in NijiEN management.
More like you assume everything because you have no idea how anyone in their management feels about anything

>>45294164
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1768082224?t=2h41m54s

>>45294326
So, basically she can try to win a defamation case, maybe. I think she needs citizenship to try that though. But if she actually broke some NDA clause being fired is almost certain, she would've won more by doing nothing and suing them while suspended, the compensation is usually fat, like the money she would've made in the suspension period + a sizeable fine.

>>45294546
>following 35 people
>zaion is one of the 35
Interesting.

>>45294544
Seeing how Noor is one of the managers, I do actually.

>>45291546
That sounds like it would still be a really, really, rough case for her, if this was true. Surely there are other options she could take?

She doesn't have to do anything but return. The cancer has been culled from her circle and followers, so it'll be good times from here on.

>>45293495
I have zero clue how discord works, so I will ask.
Are discord served locally managed by the owner or are they instances on servers located at Discord data centers?
If it's local then yes it would be wiped, but if it's on discord operated servers there will be logs, just de-referenced when the account was removed. A court could submit a request to have those logs released.

Real talk, she should just break her NDA and fuck Nijisanji.
What the fuck are they gonna do?
Leak it properly, leave no trace that it was her, leave no trail to her behind.
What the fuck is Nijisanji going to be able to do about it? They can sue sure but without actual evidence no court will side in their favour.
Everyone can know she probably did it but the legal system doesn't work based on "well this person probably did it" it works based on actual evidence.
They already fucked her up for life, she will never get hired by another corpo. Might as well burn everything on her way out.

>>45296072
If what she is disclosing isn't a crime that's a one-way ticket to jail.

>>45296072
>>/vt/thread/S22850413
yeah she should write a book

>>45272777
>flopsolei
you mean lolisex?

>>45296072
>Real talk, she should just break her NDA and fuck Nijisanji.
>What the fuck are they gonna do?
>Leak it properly, leave no trace that it was her, leave no trail to her behind.
How to tell when someone is below the age of 18.

>>45295987
of course they are not local. Data is money no matter if you talk about your dog or boss they have everything and sell it to the next best bidder. Discord could just say they lost/overwrote the data they are not obligated by law to keep a record.

>>45296219
how?
imagine a post shows here one day dropping a bunch of shit, being vague enough that no one can clearly tie it to her
she uses 9 proxies, mc donald's wifi, burner phone to post it
what the fuck can Nijisanji do with literally 0 evidence she did it?
there would be no technologically possible way to trace it to her
and if she left nothing that specifically links her to what was said they wouldn't be able to frame her
it would be an OJ situation

>>45270852
there is no hope for leftsist

the same marxists fucks who screech for workers rights and say how you cant trust corporations will now suck off their favorite corporations and believe PR crap
you cant do shit about the good goys, they are mind broken, best to go indie for streamers with any personality

>>45296302
no, the only loli is gone.

>>45270852
Where did she post this?

>>45296816
least retarded vtuber fan

>>45296816
They know her contract and her conversation logs (remember that both sides of a conversation holds the logs.) She would need to reveal really vague general info to not pinpoint it back to her, the more specific the disclosed information is and the less people know about it the more it narrows down the list.
Even if she used someone else to do it with the process you disclosed they could still trace it back with enough information.
>But the damage will be done
And who do you think will pay for it?
>>45296898
What about the loli rapists?

>>45297661
I never said she should use anyone else to do this, that would actually be a loose end and a good way to actually get herself fucked
I didn't say she had to dump actual chatlogs of 1 on 1 conversations she had, she can just make it sound like a suspiciously legit schizo post and say things that everyone in the group knew not just her

>>45297661
>What about the loli rapists?
you mean me? i also left with her.

>>45296898
Speaking of loli, https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1766918331?t=47m49s

>>45270852
Cause I did not care. Didn’t watch them so it is what it is

>>45291546
Wrongful termination doesn't really seem like an especially important charge since it's not like she wants the job back anyway. It would be difficult to sue for damages for losing a job she was supposedly trying to get out of already. Surely a focus on defamation would be better? Which she would absolutely win since the notice did provable damage to her reputation. Japan doesn't give a shit about whether things are true or false, just whether they damage your rep.

>>45274289
There's a case for going HoloEN as an indie (if that ever fucking happened lmao) since even in its reclined state it's at least 3-6k viewers. Definitely no longer viable for an indie to go NijiEN at this point, the chances that you'll be Pomu or Selen and pull high 4view averages are much lower than you being abandoned in 3 months to eat shit at the same CCV you had as an indie but with a big management cut.

>>45296072
>no court will side in their favour.
Nijisanji doesn't have a case in court. What they do have is almost unlimited funding and a case you win still represents a shitton of $ in legal fees. This is how corporations crush individuals legally, by the way. On paper your case might be ironclad and their suit frivolous, in practice they can pay lawyers way more and for way longer than you can.

>>45287402
Anonymous what the fuck are you talking about.

>>45300463
>NijiEN
For a female indie, I would say the cutoff is around 400 viewers. If you are getting more than that then just keep doing you. Odds are your CCV spike won't cover the company's cut as you said. Obviously 2views should absolutely jump at the chance to get into NijiEN since even the lowliest of livers is doing better than that.
Male indies have much more leeway since NijiEN has a huge base of fujos with too much money and too little sense. Even if your CCV doesn't go crazy, you are more likely to end up with a gachi or two to support you thanks to the increased exposure.

>>45301784
Admittedly though it still seems hard to tell if its even worth being part of NijiEN if you're a guy. You'll easily do much better than you were as an indie for sure, but the problem is that it seems like you're expected to pander to a bunch of crazy fans constantly. If you ever wanted to branch out or just play vidya then I assume that would wear on you after a while.
Granted, I still think the bigger issue is that Anykara will pull an Anykara and just shoot out new waves constantly. Which after a while probably just means more competition internally.

>>45270852
Fuck Kyo
Fuck Finana
Fuck Enna
Fuck Doppio
Fuck Paul Li
Fuck NijiEN

>>45300630
that's what they call a SLAPP lawsuit. unfortunately,Japan doesn't have anti-SLAPP laws, so you'll have to fight them outside japan to have an advantage.

>>45303638
Will I wanna SLAPP Kyo in the fuckin face

>>45270852
The signs have been there since the beginning. She was really unhappy under NijiEN. Her manager sounds like an asshole too. It reminds me of early Millie who often spoke ill of her manager and was depressed by it.

>>45271422
>le justice
Grow up. Money > everything.

But what if Zaion is a bad person in this situation?

>>45305332
not to be an annoying fence sitter but I genuinely believe both sides have some points
Zaion did probably breach company rules repeatedly after being warned, but Niji management also dropped the ball by writing out a whole laundry list of things she did and they also let the other livers shit on her after she was already terminated. They should just terminate her and let her go be an indie freely without smearing her name badly

>>45275277
>Those who sign NDAs can generally still talk in certain circumstances, like if they are subpoenaed or are reporting to an enforcement agency, such as the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. But since the language in NDAs can often be confusing, many people who sign them don’t even realize those exceptions exist — or are too scared to try, according to Jenny Yang, a former commissioner and chair of the EEOC.
>NDAs do not prohibit people from reporting suspected corrupt conduct to an appropriate authority. The Crime and Corruption Act 2001 and the Public Interest Disclosure Act 2010 provide safeguards that allow people who have signed an NDA to report suspected wrongdoing, including corrupt conduct, maladministration and the misuse of public resources.

>>45305642
I agree, Zaion is a fucking retard for breaching company rules repeatedly and refusing to improve on her behavior. That's completely valid of the company to mention on her termination announcement, not most of the other bullshit reasoning that came with it.
Something that irked me with her initial suspension was the way they handled it, especially when the twittertranies starts doxxing her. I thought Nijisanji vowed to try their best to protect their talents from slander/doxxing? I'm pretty sure she was still a Nijisanji talent at least a few days after the suspension notice, so why didn't they do anything about the doxxing that was literally happening in the quote retweets of the suspension tweet? Is that how they always treat their suspended members? Its just really mind boggling to see her doxx essentially attached to the suspension tweet on the official NijiEN account left up for days, some even until today.
It actually felt like someone within management was out for her blood back then, which then was basically confirmed with how they handled her termination notice.

>>45307307
You know damn good and well they didn't care. If they did, they wouldn't have basically told everyone to go seek out her personal accounts to see the comments she liked. They were instigating shit the whole time.

>>45270852
Why would I?
It's much more fun to watch people fail and companies collapse.
The day when my oshi loses her main job, as well as her Vtuber job, to AI is the day I will die from all the blood rushing to my dick.

NijiEN and its fanbase don't care about Zaion. It was a losing battle from the start.

>>45295123

https://twitter.com/filianIsLost/following

Filian is no longer following Zaion.

>>45309839
But is she following the indie?

>>45307307
>breaching company rules repeatedly and refusing to improve on her behavior.
It seems a bit different to me, she always improved on her behavior. She got in trouble for stuff she did on stream but never for the same thing twice. It seems more like ignorance on her part, perhaps because others in the company have done and are doing the same things, and once she then gets in trouble for it she knew not to do it again.
I think the hypocrisy of it all, along with the way she was thrown to the wolves during her suspension and even targeted for harassment by her own coworker is what made up her mind that she just needed to get out of NijiEN.

>>45309839
Psalms 137...

>>45309839
no point in following a dead account

>>45295072
thats not how this works. Others were suspended in NijiJP or fired, and they never did it back

>>45295396
Noor isn't one her managers, Noor is part of the staff
This rrat still existing when you can check Linkedin is retarded

>>45305642
I think she wanted to go Indie and basically did a Saul Goodman. She knowingly break a lot of rules in hopes of termination because she can’t quit but it backfired because she never expected Anycolor to list her misdemeanors and thought it’d be vague like Yugo’s graduation

>>45310387
I don't think she decided that she needed to get out of the company until she saw how they handled her 2nd suspension publicly.

>>45290224
>Mar 2
That was only like a week into the suspension.

>>45310387
The thing is, she posted a schedule for her next week which was full of streams before her suspension announcement, even having a valentine stream idea planned. So that suspension probably came as a surprise for her.
As someone who casually watched her streams, it seemed like she wanted to stay with the company especially around the time after the Identity cover was about to release.

>>45310840
>That was only like a week into the suspension.
She was suspended on Feb 8th, and *officially* terminated on March 10th. March 2nd is around when her streamlabs page was taken down. So at that point we (and she) knew she was gone.

I swear to god none of you cared about this girl until she got graduated.

>>45311678
None of them care now, for that matter. Anons just want something to complain and spread hearsay about because they're a bunch of gossiping hens.

>>45311678
Terminated. She wasn't graduated. She was fired. I know there might not seem like much of a difference to you since you only started watching vtubers with NijiEN and they ""graduated"" Yugo, but there is. A graduation is something more bittersweet because it's supposed to be just that: A graduation from one part of someone's life into a new chapter.

While, personally, I did watch all of her streams (and have the majority archived), you don't actually have to like someone to know they were done dirty and despise that fact. Empathy is an emotion that normal humans have for each other even if they don't personally know much of anything about them. Unless you are the kind of person that wouldn't feel bad knowing a homeless stranger was being beaten, you should understand this concept.

>>45311922
There is no hearsay involved in saying that the termination notice was defamation. Why? Because in Japan, where Anycolor is headquartered, defamation includes facts too. In other words, even if you truly believe that every line of that notice is the absolute truth (because companies never say anything but the full truth), they still intentionally committed character assassination. Normal notices of termination, in all sectors of Japan's corporate life, do not include a list of every petty wrongdoing the person allegedly did during their time there.

It's also an undeniable fact that she was harassed while still an employee of the company. The harassment started during the suspension, after all. And during that time Anycolor made no effort to curb it. Management did not, and still does not care. A company that will not stand up for its employees wellbeing is not a good one. Sorry if you feel otherwise because your oshi works there, but that's the reality of it.

>>45313599
I have a feeling she's been harassed by her managers too, like Yugo. (see: Yugo's discord leak where his manager is hounding him about his numbers and showing him statistics in a rather rude way)

>>45313599
None of that is defamation just because Japan has a retarded law where even if you say true things you can be sued
> Normal notices of termination, in all sectors of Japan's corporate life, do not include a list of every petty wrongdoing the person allegedly did during their time there.
thats funny because I have seen game companies listing the reasons for why a single employee was fired many times, movie companies too, and so on

>>45311678
>Niji hires a good talent
>They're in a shitty company surrounded by literal trash
I watched her a little, but God knows I didn't like the surrounding NijiEN culture, which put me off.

>>45313864
I actually missed this, looks like I have some archive reps to do.
>>45313881
>None of that is defamation just because Japan has a retarded law where even if you say true things you can be sued
Defamation is a criminal act. Which means it is defined by the legal code of the country in which it is committed.

>>45313864
No one was harassing anyone in that leak, that was a conversaton about numbers on the usual check in on what can be improved
and you dont know that is even a manager, tehres no detail.
fucking schizos. "feeling"
>I have a feeling she's been harassed by her managers too
she had the same manager as xsoleil and selen, not "managers"

>>45314026
nice, and its irrelevant because none of that is defamation. good luck trying to do that, please tell her to sue them

>>45314026
You won't be able to do that because its all in japanese and no one ever translated anything, if it can even be done. they just saw graphics and made shitposts about it as if its reality, with no words on what was said

>>45291546
Wow that seems great, how about a source senator?

>>45313902
Yeah, I believe you. You decided to randomly check just a little of the content by this girl from a company you never bothered with before and oh-my-god they're so terrible! You're either a Sayufag or just another /here/ schizoid, I can respect people who are the first though because they actually care about their chuuba.

>>45271376
>Kyo
>Enna
>Kyoani
My god....

>>45291546
>because of her wanting to go indie and not because of any of the bullshit reasons they slapped on the termination notice.
Kek. Even Sana had better exit strategy than Zaion. Perhaps living in the US really made her unable to think for the long term.

Now her legacy will be forever tainted by nijisisters dan dramasisters.

>>45270852
That's what she gets for not joining Ewiwa's clique

nijizhangji defense force working overtime, i see.

>>45314093
The meaning of the word "defamation" is decided by the country. Was that easy enough to understand? Do you need me to post the actual law? It's also written in simple words and has an official English translation by the Ministry of Justice, in case you don't speak Japanese.
Do you want to argue any of the other points regarding harassment or do you just concede that that was a shitty thing for Anycolor to do? That is my main point, after all. You do understand that it could happen to your oshi too, right? All it takes is for one sector of the internet to get a hate boner for them and Anycolor will NOT come to the rescue. Despite releasing a statement in December stating they would. https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/news/044l75fc-387
>>45314169
>no one ever translated anything
Wonder why? I know a lot of people are skipping out on their reps but it's not like nobody on the board can speak moon. Was it just really low resolution to the point of being unreadable? Making rrats about unprovable shit is definitely bad taste when it comes to bullying and the like.

>>45314029
You don't know either that the talents have one or many overlapping managers, some of them have referred to their managers with plural (eg "I have to check with my managers). Either way the person in Yugo's leak is an Anycolor staff, and was responsible with checking his schedules so it's safe to assume it's a manager.

>>45296219
>jail
Yeah, where she will be drawn and quartered for insulting the queen, retard.

>>45314994
Anycolor drafted this banishment strategy carefully so that there are no legal loopholes for them to get sued. My guess there's little Zaion can do about it. Black company to the core. Either way there are indies speaking out against it, a couple 2views and the big ones recently include Shondo directly calling Anycolor a black company and Giri speaking well of Zaion. Also the small-time vtubers in her circle are still supporting her and leaving kind messages on her discord.

Sayu LOVE!

punished sayu

>>45317540
A hag denied her shotas.

>>45270852
why the hell would i want to protect anyone so mid?

>>45316453
>Either way there are indies speaking out against it,
There are not.

>a couple 2views and the big ones recently include Shondo directly calling Anycolor a black company and Giri speaking well of Zaion.
Literal fanfic.

>>45316453
> Shondo directly calling Anycolor a black company and Giri speaking well of Zaion.

citations, provide them

>>45318086
>>45317894
Literally in the same thread. Retard. Look for the others yourself. >>45298739

>>45317894
Now that I've shown you my dick, where's my (You), huh sister? Thinking about a new whataboutism to argue around? Get fucked, nigger.

>>45318431
>>45319478
HOLY BASED PENTOMO

>>45318431
So.. 1 person did? And it's the schizophrenic retard? Don't forget that troods think she's a pedophile enabler or whatever too

>>45319478
Not that asshole, but I'll give you a (You) and a thank you because I just scrolled right on by that link the first time and didn't notice it. Shondo once again proving how based she is.

>>45319478
lmao based

>>45319854
>shows receipt
>whataboutism ensues
truly chink tactics kek. the only schizophrenic retard here is (You)

still waiting for that giri citation

>>45320105
No dude shondo is legit schizophrenic and insane

>>45320105
Support from someone who has legitimately been blacklisted by every organization for being a massive liability and a drama magnet years ago just isn't worth all that much.

>>45319478
>>45318431
I kneel grudge pentomo.

>>45270852
i don't watch nijisanji EN because the vtubers are all braindead coomers, twitter power users, or dog fuckers, so i had no idea she existed.

>>45274936
>NijiEN talents were "her friends" and how Sayu apparently caused them a lot of "trouble"
Because that's exactly what happened you retard.

so the only other vtuber we’ve confirmed is on zaions side is a known legit schizophrenic? that’s correct right?

>>45321921
new mutuals since suspension
>Pippa
>Lisa
>Moon Jelly
>Yuko
>Fallenshadow
>Milky

>>45321921
Well actually you forgot about all the retards on 4chan!

>>45323588
not trying to be obtuse, legit curious here but like how do you know this?

>>45323588
Moonjelly and Milky are pretty decent people. Idk who Lisa is, and I know Shondo hates bullying. Pippa is just a grifter.

>>45300630
>What they do have is almost unlimited funding
Look at cashflow of the company.
It doesn't have much as you think.

>>45271376
LOL imagine going down in history as the serial killer who methodically stalked and murdered several NIJIEN vtubers before disappearing.

>>45291546
She needs to charge for defamation, not wrongful dismissal.

>>45324367
That's not what Kyoani means.

>>45324048
There are websites that track twitter follows/mutuals. Here is one. https://en.whotwi.com/SayuOkami/mutual_friends

>>45325141
okay but like that doesn’t really indicate any of their opinions on the whole situation besides shadow. they could just be following to keep up with the story.

Why would I want to?

>>45325933
wait never mind i miss understood the website. i thought it was tracking follows

>>45323588
>>45324084
Didn't moonjelly graduate or something?

>>45303638
Niji can't file a SLAPP lawsuit against a US citizen anyway. They'd be laughed out of court. Sayu would have to initiate.

>>45325141
All those phase connect mutuals... and also Prof. Lando or the Vshojo tranny... She will be fine.

>>45305162
Only for soulless people like you. Money is nothing more but a means to an end, not the end itself.

>>45317540
KEK didn't realized that light is making a "Z"
funny

>>45325141
Most of these were people she was friends with or followed by before she was fired nigger

>>45329029
I never claimed anything? I was just answering someone's question.

>>45329029
Well people have been checking her mutuals closely, you can tell when the cutoff is after her suspension/termination so these are the people who followed her after >>45323588

>>45326286
Still represents herself as a virtual character and releases song covers
https://youtu.be/6VELYeV18-8

guess graduation these days means you only stop streaming

https://youtu.be/b1qIwnDPJWo
who is dis in the bg

>>45324367
hahahaha

>>45324876
He was adapting it to fit the scenario.

>>45330377
Without the dates we can't judge with anything but a low confidence, unless you go thru the following list yourself

>>45331440
Check warosu when people are watching her follows/mutuals list, pippa followed her first during the suspension, and they became mutuals soon after. It's arranged in chronological order on the site. So it's safe to assume anything above pippa is after her suspension/termination.

>>45333026
As long as she has pippa's support everything is good.

>>45324084
Lisa is a sweetheart.

>>45305642
They probably saw Yugo doing better after he left and dont want that to happen again.

>>45311114
She did want to stay until the second suspension
On her only mengen stream, she talked about that she was working on an orisong, and that she was also planning other covers.

>>45348124
Sad

>>45317540
>tears
From sadness or uohing at shota?

>>45290224
Based Filian

>>45311678
Just because I barely post on the trashfire of a thread that is /nijiEN/ doesn't mean I don't care about her

>>45309957
I think it's different when you break one rule then don't do it again but then break another rule. Most other livers maybe break 1 or 2 then that's it but if you're running down a list it just seems like she's dumb

>>45270852
>go against the most holy thing in NIPPON (and America) openly
>big companies
>just streaming their games/music without permission
>ignoring their managers
>wonder why she gets kicked out

She could have literally joked all she wanted or did a naked stream (see all the other NijiEn "livers"). Just dont do the above.

>>45349707
But yet here we are with this termination announcement including all these petty points grasping for straws.

>>45314351
Jesus, get that stick out of your ass.
Not that I need to prove myself, but yes, I did used to watch NijiEN. I watched it since launch, slowed down with Noctyx, and barely cared anymore with Xsoleil, but I still liked Zaion. Not enough to member, of course, because at this point I didn't want to financially support Nijisanji.

>>45349681
>Most other livers maybe break 1 or 2 then that's it
DYRBI?

>>45349426
a women deprived of her shota needs ends up becoming a shota(female) herself

>>45320962
> blacklisted
Lol no. Even fauna showed up on her PL for shondo's bday.

>>45350166
Surely you would have some kind of proof or list that shows this and aren't just talking out of your ass anonchama right?

Bump

>>45270852
You don't need to protect her. Just watch, support, donate to and talk about her now that she is back to being indie. That's the best thing you can do no matter if you genuinely enjoy her or just want to "own the nijifags".

>>45352146
ZAION DEATH SQUADS

>>45350035
Hmm petras expired just a month ago
Hmm hmmmm

>>45348124
NTA but the second suspension is right after finana got ``gaslighted", right?

>>45311678
>>45311922
Go off sisters #cut4hex

>>45321644
To her wavemates, maybe. But Nijisanji EN is perfectly capable of causing trouble to themselves on a monthly basis, Zaion just ultimately represents one more incident to add onto the pile.
Thats not to say that there arent still good talents in there like Pomu, Vox or Rosemi, or that there arent people in there that at least know/learnt to stay away from bullshit drama like Iluna minus the wigger, Nina, Pio, Ike, Fulgur and Sonny, and I'm biased because I like her but Kotoka, ect. But for the most part half of NijiEN is fine, the other half just does dumb shit to where it damages the perception of the branch and just basically invites drama that doesn't need to exist. All of that while being overseen by a pants-on-head retarded management staff that's probably dumb enough to view the dumbshit as good content without thinking of any long-term consequences.

Expect news of her tomorrow. Ya'll will be pleasantly surprised!

>>45323775
>>45321644
yaassssss sis #cut4hex

>>45355026
Well I am definitely excited

you guys ever think the menhera genshin hag that got along with none of her coworkers and confessed to being suicidal without pills was actually in the wrong?

>>45355593
So true sister, #cutforhex, make sure to aim for your neck!

>>45355749
hex is awful too which says something when he was able to fall in line better than her

>>45355026
do I trust this post

>>45355593
I never thought Zaion was a saint, I dont think she was ever really made for corporate life and should've just stayed an indie.
That said, what Nijisanji EN did was so much worse and the management's incompetence has showed this much over the course of this year that it's really starting to sour me on the branch. Announcing an AR concert only to cancel it not even a week later, not doing anything when 3 talents publicly insinuate the "Covid" excuse is bullshit, randomly deciding that its okay for half of the branch to take a vacation in Japan at the same time, signing a joint sponsorship with Cover to take down harassment as their talents IMMEDIATELY do the Secret GC stream and basically harass and fling shit on each other under the guise of "satire", fail to take down the doxsite and drama channels, and even during Zaion's suspension wording their first notice to basically incite hate against her while doing nothing to discourage their own fans from harassing one of their still employed talents.

Even if Anykara is being true about some, and I do mean at least some facts, I don't trust them for shit with the incompetence they displayed lately. It's not like Zaion was even hated by her coworkers either, the comments displayed on the Identity cover with Maria, when they were still up at least, painted a hugely different paper. But I guess that was just a lie, like many other things in NijiEN.

>>45355026
Has she finally stabbed that chink in their ranks?

>>45299346
Wrongful termination and defamation are often linked. If you can prove one, then you can prove the other. So you pick the one that's easier to prosecute and go from there.

>>45357791
Defamation would definitely be easier to prosecute.

>>45358439
Depends on the jurisdiction. Defamation is extraordinarily difficult to prove under US Law. JP Law might be different.

>>45359179
Some anons have brought the issue that Japan doesn't have anti-SLAPP laws, therefore it's easier for anykara to shut down any retaliation in Japan than US.

>>45314979
Stop bringing Elira into this. Elira never directly did anything other than potentially getting her idiot friends hired. Sayu still follows Elira on Twitter. Actually, she follows most of Niji EN so if you're going to make an rrat at least make it about the ones she doesn't follow (Finana, Kyo, Aster, Uki, all of Ethyria)

>>45359314
For whatever its worth, she is hosting Shoto on Twitch on frequent occasions too. Right now too, I believe.

>>45359314
>(Finana, Kyo, Aster, Uki, all of Ethyria)
>all of Ethyria
Deserved.
Also wtf did Aster do? Other than the fact that sometimes people forgets he exist.

>>45355026
Source?

>>45355026
[x]

Dump

>>45356431
I do wonder if they're going down the path of NijiKR with too much fuckery behind the scenes. Also what the fuck is happening with ex-NijiID? They're like dying from low morale, it's like they don't receive proper support despite being under the main branch.

>>45359314
It's just a shitpost anon.

>>45360843
Well Aster is close with Finana so we can make the connection.

>>45359179
She'd have to prove if any of Anykara's statements were in fact false.
And whether they knowingly published such false statements, or doubted the truth in them but published anyway.

2bh the latter part sounds harder

>>45362443
>doubted the truth in them but published anyway.
This is the harder part.
>And whether they knowingly published such false statements
This is easier. Not much, but easier.

>>45355858
>fall in line
>literally peo groomer behavior yab ready to explode

Baits are everywhere from the Nijikikes

>>45278463
>northern California
Based. Might as well not even be California.

>>45276714
>She needs to make a stand regardless. It is symbolic that something like this needs to happen.
>A line must be drawn, a point need to be made, a principle to be upheld.
literal
>She needs to waste all her time and money to own the black company because I hate them, she need to make justice because I want it.
fuck off

>>45278463

https://www.twitch.tv/sayu/about
>Sayu plays the role of an "ignorant" god with her jokes, but she is not ignorant towards harsh topics: Sayu will never support nonconsensual rape, or homophobia.

D-Does she support "consensual rape"...?

>>45366225
A lot of women support that. It's essentially rape but by chad. About 60% of women have rape fantasies.

>>45362443
I'm not a specialist in US law but don't you have to also prove reckless disregard for the truth or malicious intent and that there were damages to have a defamation case?

Proving intent or reckless disregard is actually pretty difficult to do in court

>>45305332
>t. Finana

>>45307307
Shut the fuck up Kyo

>>45366323
>60%
Sauce? That can't be true, r-right?

Bros... is she shorter than Finana?

>>45270852
She gaslit Finana so I'll never forgive her.

>>45366668
Still taller than Pomu, the 4'9" white girl

>>45366754
>t. Aster

>>45350642
1) Used mihoyo songs on a couple of streams that got them privated or taken down mid streams
2) Shared her audition video with fans, which is the reason why it leaked
3) Has made a number of rape jokes and even joked about sexual infections. Made racist remarks during her GTAV streams
4) Talked about piracy during her promare watchalong and even encouraged it
5) Plays a lot of her games on an emulator during streams
6) Joined a fan discord to play games wit them privately, joined and talked in their voice chat
7) Is late for sponsored streams, and on collabs with her coworkers
8) Has antagonized parts of the fanbase including banning common used words without talking with the company

>>45366537
Have you seen a single women's romance novel?

>>45366784
Pomu is half flip

>>45366903
[citation needed]

>>45319478
>>45318431
stop using Petra you fucking faggot. I know none of you are pentomos

>>45365560
West Taiwan

>>45355749
>The wavemate zaion collabed the most was Hex
it all makes sense.

>>45366537
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19085605/

>>45314994
>All it takes is for one sector of the internet to get a hate boner for them and Anycolor will NOT come to the rescue. Despite releasing a statement in December stating they would. https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/news/044l75fc-387
Once again, retard, that statement was about Nijisanji JP, not about NijiEN or any overseas branches. Anycolor cant do anything outside of Japan and yet you insist on this argument just because the document is translated to english too
> Was it just really low resolution to the point of being unreadable?
yes, it was very low resolution and anons just made rrats based on graphics being in the print. theres nothing in the content to suggest anything they cant be read

>>45315387
Tell me you don't watch EN without telling me. Selen literally said in january that she had a new manager and it was the same as the one who is responsible for Xsoleil
>Either way the person in Yugo's leak is an Anycolor staff, and was responsible with checking his schedules so it's safe to assume it's a manager.
Ok anon, so explain to me what was said in that screenshot because to this day no one translated what was said in there for some reason. There's the screenshot, words in Japanese, a graphic and then the assumption of "manager harassing yugo" based on literally nothing

>>45367193
Oh noooo the chink boogeyman
You talking about ludicrous justice like this is some fucking shonen anime is more in line with brainwashed chinks that you might think
There's no fucking justice without money, Sayu has nothing to gain lawyering up against a multi-million company in another country

You fuckers don't care about her, you care about owning the black company, otherwise you faggots wouldn't be vomiting paragraphs of idealistic bullshit asking a girl that just want to stream to her fans to go on a court war she can't win

>>45350035
Its easier to say you dont want to support nijien, because you arent supporting nijisanji in the first place, just one branch

>>45366537
Girls often fantasy about rape, because in some of their eyes are the ultimate "I am so desirable men can't control themselves"
but of course the fantasy is never a ugly or poor guy desiring them

>>45366823
most of the things you said arent rule breakers and the ones who are, clearly were resolved and not done again

I hope Sayu does sue anykara, only for her to lose a lot of money and lose it. would be funny

>>45367717
So not only you bit an obvious bait but you're anally hurt enough to make a multi-paragraph reply.
Go back.

>>45367874
Outside of /2434/ and the /jp/ thread literally no one means NijiJP when talking about Nijisanji
They blew it and have next to zero international appeal

where's the logs

>>45367874
The only Nijis I'm following at this point are JPs, because I couldn't bring myself to unsub from some of them.

>>45367717
>court war she can't win
Says who? You? Who the fuck are you to make an ultimate judgement on that? You're a fucking doom posting faggot that reminds me of /pol/. Fuck off.

>>45368279
good thing theres not only jp but id and kr members, so half of the agency isnt en...

>>45367717
Why are you so angry? Let anons larp. I think you're giving yourself an aneurysm kek.

>>45367440
>It's real

>>45307307
> Something that irked me with her initial suspension was the way they handled it, especially when the twittertranies starts doxxing her. I thought Nijisanji vowed to try their best to protect their talents from slander/doxxing?
Fact of the matter is, they CAUSED the initial wave of harassment towards her.
If they had put up a notice with just the messups with management (similar to how Vesper's case was handled) no one would give a shit. Nobody cares if livers fought with managers and got suspended for it, happens all the time in big corpos. She would've been welcomed back, apologized for not being mature or whatever, and continued streaming. And all would've been well.

But simply by adding an irrelevant point
> Insensitive jokes that cannot be tolerated by a NijiEN liver
They basically gave a reason for the twitter mob to harass her and did fuck all to stop it (like they always do).
Nijisanji is basically operating like Pakistan, just giving terrorists (twitterfags) money and weapons (vague bullshit rrats) to wage proxy wars against their enemies (Hololive, and anyone else who they don't like, Zaion in this instance).
Sometimes they get blown up here and there for their trouble, but their strategy is basically hoping that these freaks harm their opponents more frequently than they harm Nijisanji.

The suspension and termination announcements are a double edged sword though. They've now made it abundantly clear what all stuff is there on the "no no" list.
And every time a liver breaks these rules and escapes punishment, the rrat about NijiEN having cliques that get preferential treatment and always getting their way will get stronger.
And the funny thing is, even when they DO punish someone, the same rrat will just get more legs, because at any point in time there will ALWAYS be a liver who has committed something that could match these vague a f points.
They can't escape this rrat without completely revamping everything about NijiEN.

>>45311678
and?

>>45362092
>I do wonder if they're going down the path of NijiKR
I'm telling you, Enna Alouette is just Ara Chae - EN Edition.

>>45368391
it goes both says
she gonna win? Says who? You? Who the fuck are you to make an ultimate judgement on that? You're a fucking delusional faggot?

>>45370163
So you're not even sure about her completely losing. You're just trying to turn it around anyone that would support her going for a legal battle. You don't want her to go against Niji because you support the company do you? You're a cuck.

>>45369434
Their defenders will just reply to every comment they find using word salad and mental gymnastics to justify why future yabs aren't as bad as what Zaion, the public menace of vtubing did, and everyone will just swallow it and agree.

>Zaionists right now.

>>45370683
For example >>45370163

>>45370163
The post of someone who is mindbroken.

>>45369796

>Arae Chae
>an angel, just like Enna

I am starting to believe.

>>45370163
Hey Kyo, you're still a butthurt faggot.

>>45274347
>She's not gonna fight back?
Yea let’s give a black company a legitimate opportunity kek fucking idiot she will definitely learn how it feels to get raped if she does it stupid faggot

There are ACTUALLY Nijisisters ITT encouraging Sayu to throw all of her money into going to bat against a black company who will just rape her in court instead of using that money for her redebut

nice try samefag

>>45370951
It all makes sense now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NWea8WHo1g

Is he right?

>45372578
Go back retard. Why don't you reply to this? >>45372432

>>45372578
No lol

>>45372578
>Chat: Isn't she a shotacon?
>What's a shotacon?
Why does he present himself as some kind of vtuber expert and why should I listen to an opinion of this person?

>>45368279
good
keep en shit and eop shit away from jp members

>>45367064
if you don't know about pomu's past between the time she posted her /b/its and before she ended up in niji that's on you
she was borderline lolcow tier and /cgl/ documented a lot of shit about her over the years
heck i'm pretty sure she even mentioned her dad being a flip on stream

>>45287589
>>45287402
>schizophrenia
MEDS NOW

>>45359179
Under JP law she has an incredibly easy case. It's just a matter of her seeing a verdict which might take years if Anycolor tries to drag it out.

>>45374284
>Source: dude trust me
Not even THAT site has info about that, and they even go as far as to talk about the nudes