/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>45153643
Disgusting fanbase

>>45153643
jesus fuck they all sound so irredeemably stupid
it's so pathetic it's hilarious

>>45153643
AIEEEEEEEE CHINKSISTERS TASUKETE

the groomer shouldn't have commisioned and enabled a dildo livestream asset if he didn't want his underage audience to see it.

>>45153643
how the fuck hasn't he been terminated yet? does nijisanji really care about money that much?

DO
NOT
REDEEM

#cutforhex

>>45153891
they object to the dildo being inappropriate for minors, but don't mention the sex dungeon background with BDSM implements

So it's agreed, mass reporting him?

>>45153643
>Next termination incoming

>>45153904
no one will be terminated because of a fucking dildo on screen, at best a bonking

>>45153765
fpbp

Please tell down picture

>>45153982
yes
>>45153983
god I hope so, he's actively harmful with his whole suicide/self-harm cult bullshit

>>45153999
do you think a dildo on stream is the only questionable thing he has done? his blood for the blood god suicide cult coupled with shit like this is what's insane

>>45153983
Good joke, he brings in money. Management will do anything they can to protect him.

>>45154089
Coco...
Rushia...

>>45154089
Is SC money worth a potential brand risk like this?

>>45154220
Hex is part of NijiEN, not Holo

>>45153983
Nah, unlike holo. Nijisanji actually care about any talent that could bring money to them

>>45154220
we're talking about Nijisanji, not an actual professional corporation with standards

>>45154247
>Niji
>brand integrity
Wat

>>45154077
It's ok.
He already got the clique permission beforehand.

>>45153643
what the actual fuck is going on here, why are thirty people posting the same retarded thing? bots?

>>45153765
>Kiara want this kind of fanbase
Kiara graduation when?

>>45154220
Anon, Kurosanji has no Integrity.

>>45154321
no standards making more money than the one with standards
>muh company blahblah
yeah, those are corporations who think like such

>>45153849
Don’t do this to my oshi… please.

>>45154321
>standards
>can't even get their talent to stream
Nice joke.

>>45154390
Minors

>>45154543
There you go again trying to derail the thread lmao

>>45154611
you mean the bait and hate threads you all do about nijisanji all day while ignoring facts like these about performance of the overall agency? ogey

>your oshi doesn't stream
>your oshi does lots of streams, but every second stream is a collab with a fucked-up groomer or a Twitter-addled zoomer just looking for an excuse to cancel her

Yeah I can understand bronies now. No streams is bad, but it's sure preferable to the alternative. My big question is how the EN market ended up this way.

>>45153643
PLEASE TELL DOWN

>>45154390
It's funny.

>>45154779
Is it the EN market, or just nijisanji?

>>45154543
...and you think that's a good thing?
sisters are actually deluded, it's fine if companies use literal black company tactics and unethical practices as long as the bottom line is secured? disgusting

>>45153983
He has a dick so he's immune to any and all rules

>>45155022
All's fair in love and war. Cope more.

>>45154779
It's a Gender preferences at this point

Am i missing something? What's wrong with the picture?

>>45153643
How can these people live like this

dildo joke is harmless compared to racist/rape jokes and leaking internal information. nijis literally have asmrs where they jerk themselves off

hope this helps

>>45155286
>showing a sex toy to an audience full of minors is "harmless"

>>45155238
newdykes.

DildoSanji LMAO, should go stream at pornhub already

>>45155286
So true. This is why I will #cutforhex to show my support.

>>45155339
>audience full of minors
>Source: my ass

Which of the girls he's stalking is he gonna use the dildo on?

>>45153643
The fact that these people say stupid shit like this on Twitter, where they aren't anonymous, is astounding. Fujos are something else.

>>45155414
Gonna carve myself and tweet Gura so she gets canceled, thanks for the tip anon

Funny thing is, the sisters are absolutely going to mass report him. They fucking hate his guts and his fanbase.

>>45155121
Love, war and pedophilia, right sister? https://streamable.com/2qgth0

>>45155022
>black company tactics
lol
lmao
this faggot must only see companies from vtuber industry if they think any of this is black company tactic shit. in jp companies alone you see much worse shit than what even wactor does, not even going into larger market where the consoles you buy games lay off hundreds if not thousands of employees per year

>>45155414
JESUS CHRIST WHAT THE FUCK? HOW CAN ANYONE DEFEND THIS?

>>45155676
it's just weird to me how you would use that as a defense. it's the truth but if you think that makes hex's death squad okay you're either a chink or retarded

>>45154390
Contrast Zaion being put in front of a firing squad for an unfinished rape joke about a fictional character with this groomer pulling out a dildo in his bdsm room and being protected by the minors he stalks on twitter.

>>45153643
The fuck

Kotoka and Doppio carrying the wave on their shoulders jesus

>>45153643
i'm a nijiJP fan and and i fucking hate nijiEN
yes i think zaion should have been fired but i also think vox and hex should be fired for similar reasons. several other nijiEN livers should be publicly suspended for the shit that they pull on a regular basis

>>45155879
y-yeah it was just because of that, not because of insubordination, no, imagine.
>>45155875
dont give a shit about hex, he could be terminated tomorrow and i wouldnt give a fuck, dont watch him and theres plenty of members. im happy about JP and EN being successful and continuing to exist for years beyond.

>>45155904
>kotoka and doppio when they are 3views while meloco is the most popular by far

>>45156091
Tell them sister!

>>45156091
>y-yeah it was just because of that, not because of insubordination, no, imagine.
Not talking about why she was fired. I'm talking about twitter's reaction to the situation. Which DID focus on that drivel.

>>45154543
A black company makes tons of money more than a clean company by working people to the death.

>>45154390
>anything I don't like is bots
New sister cope?

>>45155676
Are you saying that destroying the reputation of people that leave isn't a classic black company tactic? That they DON'T hold you hostage so you are forced to put up with whatever they push on you lest you never work in the industry again? Because that's exactly what they do. There's a reason so many Japanese workers kill themselves when they get into those companies. It's because they can't simply walk away and find another job. Just because we don't know everything that goes on inside Anycolor doesn't mean we can't point at the shit that goes on publicly and call it what it is.

>>45156091
Slaaaaaaay kween!

>>45153643
Don't watch Nijis really but from what I've seen of Hex, I unironically wouldn't be surprised if he was as an actual pedo or sexually assaulted some girl

>>45156091
The company lied about the insubordination

>>45156532 (me)
if he was outed* fuck

>>45156532
With Vox around the apple doesn't fall far from the tree

>>45156532
He said he was a victim first so no suspicious would rise on him.

>Checks his livetag
>Only one tweet with the dildo

You guys are only bark no bite, no surprise, the sisters make fun of you

>>45153643
Encouraging self harm is fine but don’t go showing any dildos!

>>45156322
>>45156359
>Are you saying that destroying the reputation of people that leave isn't a classic black company tactic?
No one destroyed any reputation. Everything said in the statement happened.
>That they DON'T hold you hostage so you are forced to put up with whatever they push on you lest you never work in the industry again?
Plenty of members who were unsatisfied or had other problems left, there's 50 graduations in all branches. They dont renew their contract if they dont want to, and most of the members left in good terms
>There's a reason so many Japanese workers kill themselves when they get into those companies. It's because they can't simply walk away and find another job. Just because we don't know everything that goes on inside Anycolor doesn't mean we can't point at the shit that goes on publicly and call it what it is.
you clearly never had contact with an actual black company and it shows
>>45156322
There's no clean company, all companies are bad for the very reason of their existence by pursuing of profit and revenue under their products. That's how capitalism works and you see it in every industry. compared to what is actually out there, vtubing while very incompetent in many regards, is very normal compared to Microsoft just laying off over 10k employees in a month, which no one calls "black company" btw and windows and every product from them is used everyday. Nice.

So how long until he starts telling his viewers to steal mommy and daddy's credit cards to dono?

>>45156533
No, they did not. Zaion constantly showed how she was unwingly to learn and to abide by rules on stream and was proud of that, even. Insubordination is breaking rules and after warnings, suspensions and training, and after seeing you wont change, you get fired. Like in any job, if you mess up, you get problems in different circumstances, even more if you mess a lot in the beginning

>>45153983
#HexIsNext

>>45153983
Please no, he keeps the schizo former kindred contained to his streams. I'd like for Vox to keep his sanity for once.

>>45158339
>There's no clean company, all companies are bad--
Heh, nice try asspulling a fallacy out of nowhere.

>>45154476
when you graduate from life

I don't get it, that's a stream screenshot? So what would he get in trouble for? Are they trying to damage control because they think he'll be cancelled for it? At worst I guess he'd get demonetized but it's censored anyway and posting a screenshot of it to twitter literally wouldn't affect that if he's already cut that part out of the stream itself

>>45158339
>No one destroyed any reputation. Everything said in the statement happened.
Oh well if you say so it must be true. Now comment on how, in Japan, publicly making statements that harm someone's reputation is legally defamation regardless of whether they are factual or not.
>Plenty of members who were unsatisfied or had other problems left, there's 50 graduations in all branches. They dont renew their contract if they dont want to, and most of the members left in good terms
NijiEN has been handled differently than the main branch from the very beginning. It's why the livers still can't fund their own merch and actually make real money off of anything but voice packs. There have been exactly two terminations in NijiEN, both effectively got unpersoned. Yes, Yugo was fired. The lack of a chance to say goodbye says it all. A graduation stream would have made both her and the company a lot of money. Yugo only avoided the slander because defaming the tranny would upset their core audience of twitter women. She then went on to be more successful on her own. That's a bad look that they couldn't allow to happen again. Saying "oh well this branch is fine" doesn't invalidate the bad shit happening in another one.
>you clearly never had contact with an actual black company and it shows
"n-no you" is not a response fucktard.

>>45158440
>Sauce: the same company that keeps on lying about its concerts, suspensions and the last member that was terminated
>also finana the groomed, hex the groomer, that weird gyaru girl without a spine etc.
How could you ever doubt their version of events? Keep licking that boot, anon.

>>45159115
Every minor infraction the talents commit are added into the list, which will be released in their official termination notice should they choose to depart on bad terms. This incident would be "Showing sexually explicit material during a Livestream on a family-friendly platform," "Behavior that damages the Nijisanji brand and could not be tolerated" "showing material that goes against the TOS of YouTube" etc. They've made an example out of Zaion.

>>45156091
Insubordination? What like the whole "covid" thing?

Face there's no one thing Zaion did that was horrible or worth the sisters trying to ruin her life

>dildoRyS deflection thread
Based, we can’t have everyone knowing how dumb and cute IRyS is

>>45155577
Remember, it's down the road, not across the street.

>>45159121
Agreed. They always come up with retorts like "you never actually work in a company" "you never had any friends" "you never watched Zaion!!" And many other disingenuous arguments. They're defending a black company like their life depends on it because they've been successfully converted into corporate mouthpieces: Nijisanji's 0 cent army.

>>45153643
Sisters really nervous, any tiny yab they think will get added to the "NUMEROUS" reasons for termination

>>45159805
Reminds me of that BRANDS INTO RELIGIONS presentation

>>45153643
Too late. Nijisanji will remember this.

>>45153643
What the fuck? I seriously thought the whole sisters thing was a meme. Why the fuck is it okay if Hex yabs but no one else?

>>45159805
But it's okay when holofags do it right?

>>45154284
yeah, black company only need money. who cares about their talent behavior. no rape word, no termination.

This your kind of boy, sisters?
https://twitter.com/avi_dewitt_/status/1635784852774723585

>>45160087
>everyone cares about this because muh tribalfaggotry
I haven't watched niji Nor holo in over a year. Is it that difficult to look at this without company loyalties?

>>45155414
So that's why he brandished a knife on stream
>MUH IMMERSION

>>45160087
It's not okay if anyone does it. Stop deflecting. Not everything is Coke vs. Pepsi. Sometimes things are just unambiguously immoral. Like Nestle. Or refusing to condemn harassment and doxxing to a current employee while they are suspended. Or publicly shaming a former employee when they are legally barred by NDA from telling their side of the story. If you seriously, like really really in your heart of hearts, believe that people only care because they like Hololive or whatever... Your brain has rotten away from tribalfaggotry bullshit.

>>45160087
except holofags don't defend their company until their last breath. do you not remember how everyone lost their shit a few months ago when management pushed the males? or how people shat on management for not redesigning irys' model for months? or how people dogpiled on hololive for pandering to the chinks after suspending coco and haachama?
of course you don't, newfag. go back to your doxxsite
the difference is 1) hololive doesn't fuck up as badly as niji and 2) when they do, they learn from their mistakes. tempus2 almost completely isolated themselves from the girls, irys got her redesign, and the entirety of holoCN was slain like the snakes they are.

>>45160183
Dear lord, this den of faggotry never ceases to be as advertised.

>>45159121
>There have been exactly two terminations in NijiEN, both effectively got unpersoned.
They did so much that everything they did on channels officially handled by their management still is in there from clips to original songs, interesting with the thumbnails, credits and everything intact! Just like how Yugo still is normally appearing on the cover he did with other branches on Virtual to Live both on MV, thumb and credits! its as if the decision to unpersoned its not from management but from the own members who felt they wanted to, like Uki and Maria. Just like Yugo has been credited on Pomu 3D without any problem because she wanted to
>The lack of a chance to say goodbye says it all. A graduation stream would have made both her and the company a lot of money.
Imagine being the retard saying that when its known by members and previous instances that graduations are all optional from excluding content, to doing graduation streams.
>Saying "oh well this branch is fine" doesn't invalidate the bad shit happening in another one.
the only one who said as such is you, who was talking about it in general and then changed the goalpost to just EN because you lost the argument. And yes, this branch is fine, its going to continue for years considering how it just showed growth in the last quarter and never will reach a level to have a shutdown.
>>45159279
tell me you are an ENfag without telling me. also, if you dont know, they are the employeer, they are the ones owning the IP, the business, and they decide what they do with it, not you and your hivemind from vt that is completely irrelevant to anything but containment breakers.

>>45157873
Previous victims of sexual abuse are statistically likely to continue the cycle with others if left to their own devices. If anything, saying he was a victim just painted a huge red flag on him, at least it did /here/.

>>45155414
What's the context for this?

>>45160529
>holofags don't defend their company until their last breath
Nice joke.

>>45153643
Can nijiEN go one week without controversy?

>>45160765
imagine being THIS new

>>45154693
>facts like these about performance of the overall agency
Ah yes, fuck the vtubers. We can always get more and dump the useless one

LIVERS ARE TEMPORARY. COMPANY IS ETERNAL. HAIL NIJISANJI. HAIL RIKU

>>45160832
Not physically possible at this point.

>>45160529
>except holofags don't defend their company until their last breath
ID and KR treatment is criticized all the time. When they fucked up Fantasia they were criticized. EN cancelled concert was criticized. Luxiem overly focus was extremely criticized, which they did change and make it more equal in the last 6 months or so. If you just ignore what is said by fans because your only contact with nijisnaji is with vt and containment breakers when those very sisters from EN shit on anycolor all the time, just like how en speaking jp fans do it, then its your problem. This zaion shit we simply disagree with you thinking it was handled badly while others think it wasn't, and thats it.
>>45160495
They didnt shame anyone. They announce a termination and put their reasoning for the termination, which you dont agree but is irrelevant on the matter because they are the one who decide who stay and who gets out, just like in any business. You can disagree on how it happened but the decision is on their hands, they are the ones employing and making decisions

>>45160900
Coco...
Rushia...
Sana...

>>45160616
Can't help but notice you didn't bother responding to this portion.
>Now comment on how, in Japan, publicly making statements that harm someone's reputation is legally defamation regardless of whether they are factual or not.
So let me source it to you in both English and Japanese, straight from the Ministry of Justice.
https://www.japaneselawtranslation.go.jp/en/laws/view/3581#je_pt2ch36at1
>>45160933
You can feel free to read it too.

>>45153643
AIEEEEEEEE
TAKE IT DOWN!

>>45160765
Anon, TONS of the overseas Holofags turned against Cover when they suspended Coco and when they released that two faced statement regarding Coco's suspension
Let alone the Chinks who turned into antis overnight

>>45160900
That's the point of an agency if you don't have a brain, retard. An agency is just like a footbal club. Players will come and go, stay for some years and the club will exist for decades if not more. Agencies and companies are the same. That's why on your own beloved holo you got more generations to supply the ones missed like the entire HoloCN, the terminated, Coco, Rushia and Sana. If it wasn't like your idea, they would just continue with the more than enough number of members they had.

It literally has not even been a week since your last yab holy fuck get off the holoboard.

>>45153643
I don't watch niji. Is this real? QRD pls.

>>45161068
Do football club break the player's leg when the player left?

>>45161022
How is that law any relevant to your argument, retard? Zaion don't live in Japan and your argument basically means: you can sue even if its lies
by your very own argument, by the way, anykara was right by doing what they did to drama channels, so holy shit you are dumb

>>45161082
ACCELERATE the yabs
ACCELERATE the debuts.
ACCELERATE the terminations.
There are no brakes on the NijiEN train.

>>45159578
AAIIIIIE YOU'RE GASLIGTING ME SOMEONE POST THE FIANNA CLIP

>>45161161
No, because no such thing has happened. Details on termination were provided and that was it.
And more than anything, your argument has nothing to do with the conversation done in it

>Using a copyrighted song in her stream without prior authorization
Luca has not apologised. >>/vt/thread/S23331437#
Uki fucked around and finds out. >>/vt/thread/S25840152#p25842536#
>Revealing internal information that can potentially cause issues for stakeholders during her stream
Everyone in here revealed how assblasted they are. Zaion's probably inside too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg2XZDyi7Vs
>Making statements that could lead to speculation or leaking of internal information using social media accounts that she personally operates, during her activity suspension time
Statements leading to speculation about event cancellation: https://files.catbox.moe/8x52vs.jpg & https://files.catbox.moe/q089sc.png
Statements leading to speculation about merchandise profits: https://files.catbox.moe/33y8k4.mp4
Zaion's Streamlabs was terminated at this point if this refers to the liking of comments.
>Offensive remarks regarding discrimination and sexual assault
Zaion speaking facts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tkQAkTSREM and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwftoO7-1lo
Zaion read a comment painting her as the queen of jews (not a self-declaration): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa38OJjHe2I
Racism against Sikh characters: https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxWwUzINSE6pSdX9GW_X1FBY7ZSpPEOulo
Stereotyping co-worker's accent: https://twitter.com/meIomaid/status/1585489887620366336
White face: https://archive.is/WbisT
Picrel
Joking about HIV: https://files.catbox.moe/oucrjs.mp4
Fans named after Sickle Cell disease: https://www.sparksicklecellchange.com/what-is-sickle-cell/what-is-sickling
Says he's uncomfortable with sexual assault, "accidentally" brandishes a dildo in front of his audience (which has many minors): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSeZguoOrkM
Kotoka teaches Mysta how to declare anal sex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0skgeKVyjE&t=415s
Mysta uses it on Riku Tazumi (it's ok because he's drunk): https://youtube.com/watch?v=tPKszHFkToc&t=80
>Several infringements of the Rules pertaining to the use of games defined by ANYCOLOR Inc. (including intentional infringements) and repeated false justifications given to ANYCOLOR Inc. regarding these infringements
Zaion fucked up. No idea what these rules are.
>Expressing her will to perform streams using illegal games (also referred to as pirate games)
You can't capture footage from a 3DS without a third party capture card or software which requires custom firmware. Game and console modding are both illegal in Japan. Most likely to be emulation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc-FZGqMsLg and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KrS-xfO57E and many more.
>Comments that can be considered offensive to the rights holder of a game during a stream
If the rights holder were such pussies then they should shut the fuck up and delete their game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIXlcR4rnls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq6jBTGzXLE
This might refer to a joke about an island in Genshin Impact called AIDS by the community, but clearly HoYoverse gives no fucks about the word: https://files.catbox.moe/rpttcq.png
>Giving false information to other NIJISANJI EN Livers regarding the contents of her communications with ANYCOLOR Inc.
Zaion fucked up. Finana reads a script with as much finesse as Biden so I do not trust her statement.
Zaion was also forced to give false information to her fans by management, proving stealth suspensions happen in Nijisanji EN: https://files.catbox.moe/u1t1ni.png
>Falsely claiming to have received permission from ANYCOLOR Inc. after a viewer commented on Zaion performing an action prohibited by the Rules
Zaion fucked up if true.
>Falsely claiming to be sponsored by a brand during a stream
Sponsored by Raid Shadow Legends and deez nuts jokes. Nothingburger. Management is out of touch with the world.
Turning Amamiya Kokoro's name into a deez nuts joke: https://files.catbox.moe/85ybja.mp4
>Giving "likes" to comments falling under defamation of NIJISANJI Livers and ANYCOLOR Inc., using social media accounts that she peronally operates
Zaion's Streamlabs was terminated at this point. It should be free reign for her to use her private social media in any way she wants.
"Defamation" of other vtubers in their company: https://files.catbox.moe/23ybzo.mp4
>Numerous other actions and comments infringing the Contract and Rules
Incapable management thinking etcetera is acceptable. If putting someone on blast at least do it like their main branch: https://twitter.com/nijisanji_app/status/1318898278059053057

For other "offenses" that did not lead to termination, see: https://rentry.org/exx63 and https://streamable.com/2qgth0
They just have to behave for a little while again to wipe their slates clean: https://streamable.com/51juoi

>>45159578
Not in any point of my argument I was justifying harassement of anyone. I only justified the termination itself and thats reasonable on itself to explain to viewers why it happened. When game companies fire a singular employee and explain to the media why its happening they arent harassing them or any bullshit, they are just justifying it to external parties.

>>45161340
Forgot picrel

>>45161340
Based Niji Destroyer

it must be exhausting to be a niji viewer, holy
i keep rubbernecking, poking my head in every once in a while seeing what shit is happening in your guys' corner of the world and it feels like shit is burning down every other week

>>45161243
https://streamable.com/a7k5uk

>>45160616
>muh hivemind
>peddles brainless company narrative like the entire rest of the niji fanbase
>t-the company can do whatever it wants though, y-you guys don't even matter
You faggots, truly have only one oshi niji management. Also, it's very telling that you guys straight up gave up even trying to argue any point being made.

>>45160900
Still can't understand how this agency > streamers became a thing

>>45161068
>and the club will exist for decades if not more
bold of you to assume either agency will be around in five years when AI replaces them with infinitely superior options.

the dawn of an age of perfect AI waifus who cannot make yabs, cannot backstab each other, and cannot stalk and groom minors on social media is coming! rejoice!

>>45161519
People treat vtubing companies like console wars because they are retarded. That's it.

>>45161340
>B-b-but we've PROVED she broke the rules of the tribe and DESERVES termination! Why are people still angry?!

Drones will never be human

>>45161022
I like how you ignored the part where he says yugo and zaion werent actually unpersoned by the company

>>45161180
If a Japanese company does something that Japanese law considers defamation, it is defamation. It doesn't matter which country SHE lives in. THEY did the act. If dramanigger does something, then they go by whatever laws they have in that shithole they live in. Look I hate those drama channels as much as you and genuinely hope they all burn in hellfire. But surely you understand that the person doing the act is beholden to their own country's laws.

Let me give you a hypothetical example here: If I lived in a country where it was completely 100% illegal to dox people, and you lived in one where it wasn't. I would still go to jail for doxxing you because it's my laws that apply to me, not yours. The lack of protections your country affords you don't make my actions any less illegal in mine. Hope that makes sense.

>>45161340
Sweet.

>>45161519
Holobronies started that trend. In nijiJP, you don't watch all livers, just pick some that you like. Holobronies are cancer of vtubing

>>45153643
guess ill spam this image in his tag lmaoo

>>45161614
People didn't seem as angry when HoloCN got axe'd despite there being less evidence than with Zaion. Curious...

>>45160832
>one week
Anon, we're at daily yabs at this point.

>>45161340
none of that is any relevant because you aren't part of it, you are a random faggot who have no details on any of those instances and think they are in the same level, timeframe and never had warnings or punishment in the first place
>Statements leading to speculation about merchandise profits: https://files.catbox.moe/33y8k4.mp4
fucking lmao at thinking this is even a point btw, when that kind of thing has been known for years. you are even inventing shit to use as a point when you dont know their internal rules, its pathetic
>>45161442
Yeah, we loooooooove Niji management. Thats why no one criticizes ID and KR for not having basic merch, or how Luxiem got favoritism for months, no one ever criticized it in here or outside of here. But because you cant handle a termination, it means we who see it as normal have management as oshi, even if we criticize them when we think its needed, and thats not the case with zaion.

>>45153643
lmao

The fact that you can't defend your company without resorting to whataboutism says a lot about their actions here.

>>45161703
> One year
> One month
> One week
(You) are here
> One day
> One hour
> One minute
> One second

>>45161698
Funny you bring up holoCN where despite everyone knowing full well what Artia's supporters were up to, everyone still got a graduation stream and they even revealed that Cover was waiving the cut of SCs for that. Where are Yugo's and Zaion's graduation streams?

>>45161659
Your argument is completely idiotic by the very fact that regardless if its wrong or not, the law works. It literally makes no sense why the fuck you are peddling it so much while ignoring things like this>>45161634

>>45161779
Niji's tactics are all about being better than holo. Rent free

>B-but what about
nijinigs are funny

>>45161819
Where is Rushia graduation stream? where's hitomi chris graduation stream? where's cover statement for holodrones to not harass and stop doxxing HoloCN members after they graduated? or they dont matter because they are "snakes"?

>>45161698
You must have missed the giant google doc against half of them, probably because you weren't actually here back then. See we actually had proof one of them was organizing the harassment in their fucking discord. People still mourn the loss of Yogiri though. She was a genuinely good person.
>>45161819
>Where are Yugo's and Zaion's graduation streams?
Ha they didn't even let Zaion have streamlabs donations for the month she was ""suspended"". They killed her page early and tried to starve her.

>>45161779
>>45161859
>>45161883
>No brain holobronies close their eyes on their own company's yabs
Whatever retards

>>45161859
>all your eggs are in a basket that you can’t even lift up

>>45161883
And you are schizos obsessed with a company and vtubers you dont watch nor care about except to use as console war ammo, shitpost and everything to make hololive bigger. you are all sick and mentally obsessed retards with everything while not seeing how problematic you all are just by default of this very obsession

>>45153982

Hell yes

>>45153643
cant these motherfuckers stay put and act decent for one day.

>>45161992
>problematic
Also, I don't watch holos.

>>45161834
Can you repeat that in a calmer tone so I can actually understand what you were trying to say? Because it sounds like you said "You are dumb because it doesn't matter how things work they just do". Which is uh... wow. Like I apologize if this is just you being ESL and not phrasing things coherently, but I genuinely don't understand what you said. Please try rephrasing that if you can.

>>45161883
>what about Hitomi Chris

Its always hilarious to me having to see anons talking about morality in here while they use racist, homophobic, transphobic and ableist terms all the time while they spend their time harassing other vtubers and throwing hate under anonymous forums kek

>>45161992
And you are obsessed with arguing with this "schizos"
Rather than wasting your time /here/ go watch your dildo's stream and send superchats

>>45161992
Yeah really feels like an all out war

>>45162071
Shut up you fucking nigger tranny faggot cripple

so they realized its yab but still defend him?
the absolute state of nijikek

>>45162062
Maybe you should concentrate on the fact that your highness faggot ignored factual evidence of the very two members who arent part of nijien anymore but still are part of all official content produced by staff and management in their official channel? how about you adress that first?

>>45160765
holy fucking newfag
the fucking SUBREDDIT was filled with Yagoo kneeling to China edits back when Coco and Haachama were fired.
Even recently, the Homo 2.0 post was mostly filled with people going "EN3 where".

>>45161947
>>holobronies close their eyes on their own company's yabs
I think you're just blind sister. Cover got shit on when those yabs happened.
>>45161992
>projecting

>>45162125
Some of them are in this thread, doing damage control

>>45161068
> An agency is just like a footbal club
this site doesn't allow minors to post btw, you might get banned

>>45162125
Niji males can do no wrong in the eyes of the sisters.

>>45162115
I dont give a flying fuck about hex and I hate ENfags, so you can have your offenses for someone who actually care about it. I dont even watch nijien, only id/kr/jp

>>45162125
It's okay when NijiEN males do it

>>45161902
Why would people want to harass and doxx HoloCN members? Did Cover tell everyone they were being terminated or let go on a negative note?

>We would like to thank all their fans and supporters, as well as everyone involved in their
>production. We wish that you continue supporting them up until their graduation.

Goddamn, if only Zaion's notice could be so pleasant. But oh wait, pretty difficult to support someone up until their graduation if they're suspended.

>>45162139
Okay so it is the ESL thing. Keep studying and you will get there eventually I guess.

The sisters are spamming the hashtag btw so the dildo pics get drowned lmao. NijiEN fans are a special bunch

>>45162183
imagine not having the brain capacity to understand the comparison of vtubers with footbal players who come and go while the club remain over the decades or centuries while others come in and replace them over time. if it offends you so much, companies are like that too, half of the world if not most is like that too. your friends over time are like that too

>>45162216
And yet here you are, in a thread dedicated to an EN niji defending them

>>45162249
>Why would people want to harass and doxx HoloCN members?
because thats quite literally what happened you faggot. I watched holoCN years ago mainly with Artia and Civia and i saw how much shit it had on youtube, twitter, reddit and here about them including doxxing because of suspicion over what was done. and none of that or anything that was done to them was ever adressed

Reminder that NijisanjiiEN LIES in public announcements ("covid" *skullemoji*), and encourages their talent to lie about "stealth suspensions". Anything they say is worth less than dirt.

>>45162249
Management tried to siege Zaion. Suspending her so he couldn't get reinforcment(fans) and resource (superchats). Yet she still persists until the very end, forcing nijien to bring out termination hammer.

It worked, but at what cost? Nijien become a laughing stock now

>>45161947
>holobronies
projecting again a see

>>45161728

>>45162309
Niji and hypocrisy always come hand in hand anon

>>45162291
Its not ESL thing, its you once again ignoring factual evidence given to you>>45161634 about how their management isnt erasing them outside of their own channel. you ahve yet to reply to this fact instead of changing subject
>>45162309
Im not defending Hex, iquite literally havent argued about him in any point of this thread. I'm arguing about zaion termination as someone who think it was rightfuly handled and it didnt have problems and as someone who has no emotional involvement with the branch

>>45161680
And you idiots copied it without understanding the context behind by people were defending the company at the time (existential threat from an entire govt funded internet hate mob).
Cover have never gotten a free pass, and Holofags will be the first to shitpost against them if they are hurting a talent.
There have been ZERO instances where a nijifan has sided with the liver over the company. ZERO.

>>45162381
And yet even Artia understands it's nothing to do with the company. She knows they didn't encourage it or fan the flames like NijiEN are doing.
https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srepvl

Contrast with Zaion's response. Respect is a two-way street.

>>45161916
Google doc that Cover never said was true? It was literal schizo ramblings to cope with them getting rid of holoCN. Make it look like Cover were the good guys when that wasn't why they were let go according to Cover themself.

>>45162395
Reminder that we know stealth suspensions are a thing for years in Nijisanji and this is nothing new.

>>45162544
>>45153643
Nijifan siding with Hex right now

>>45162544
Not even a Nijifag but you're wrong. People sided with Lulu and thought graduation would be the best if they weren't going to let her stream.

>>45162540
You seem very emotional, anon.

>>45162461
>Nijien become laughing stock now
>most of the people out there think shes wrong
ok..

>>45162540
Well thank god this didn't happen then. What a relief.

>>45162604
>lying is okay because they've done it for years
lol
lmao even

>>45162381
you are too new, sister
luckily there are still people around from the chinkout era so your retarded lies you dreamed up will find zero purchase

>>45162395
if they lie on public announcements then the very suspension in january was a lie too, if we go by your reasoning

>>45162540
So you came into this thread about a nijien because...?

>>45162297
Anycolor is barely 5 years old btw.
And is run by a CEO who basically admitted to being in it for the money.
There is no comparison with football clubs that are hundreds of years old.

>>45162544
>There have been ZERO instances where a nijifan has sided with the liver over the company. ZERO.
lol
lmao
NijiKR, NijiID not receiving anything post merger
NijiIN for dying
anykara being criticized for cancelling EN AR
anykara being shitted because yugo graduation and how there was barely any details on it
Chihiro when anycolor debuted a new wave on her birthday
those are just a few that come to mind, but no, they didnt side with the liver because you only have contact with vt

>>45153643
These replies genuinely feel like bots.

Notice how they're all slight variations of the same post: "Please delete this or he'll get in trouble!"

>>45155414
>incels pools money to rent a 10second ad space in timesquare for their oshis
>femcels cut their wrists for their oshis
what the fuck

>>45162778
Because nijien is still part of nijisanji and as anycolor simp, I am obligated to argue with (You)

>>45162655
You seem to have a really difficult to reply to the subject im talking about

>>45162638
> Lulu
> the Niji most well known in the 2020 boom
you're only proving my point anon

>>45162859
This reminds me of Vox's chat is always filled with "Take your time"
Chinksisters just copy paste words before them

>>45162842
> only one instance from EN
> that one because the livers themselves were criticizing the company i.e. Monkey see Monkey do
concession accepted sister

>>45162691
Yeah anon, its as if the entire argument im making is about management itself in their official channels not doing anything when in thoery that would be the first place to do it. meanwhile, uki was the only one who ever removed yugo while fulgur to this day has him, and maria decided to change her cover in relation to zaion. meanwhile, yugo appears on this cover to this day on thumbnail, credit and MV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_FSf9q8Teo
but in theory if they removed zaion from maria cover, yugo would be too on this one, even more a VTL cover
>>45162778
Because while i dont watch them, its virtually impossible to not see the shit you all make of this board and i have followers who also are en fans. and im not blind to not see what happens in nijisanji outside of what i focus
>>45162792
You don't need to compare clubs hundreds years old when clubes with just a few decades or less than a decade exists and work in the exact same way
>>45163001
This was criticized much before other members did. Even before they tweeted, many already were finding it strange because JP concerts still were happening while others thought the covid shit was strange
and as for yugo, they did it before any member said anything
You could also talk about Luxiem favoritism with the fans shitting on them for that to the point it became a more equal merch months later
you can see fans shitting because of the second original song from luxiem
you can see fans shitting on them because of luxiem merchandise being bad
you can see many instances of nijien fans criticizing management decisions on twitter

>>45163220
>i have followers who also are en fans
Are you a streamer? Perhaps from Nijisanji's main branch?

>>45163220
>an actual nijisanji intern
LMAO

>>45161728
How much they paid you, bro? Can you hook me up?

>>45163220
Q share of Anycolor stock has been deposited into your account

>>45163220
B-bros.. this gotta be a paid intern r-right? There's no way someone is defending a company this hard?

>>45163220
>I totally don't even watch or like Nijisanji, now read my whole fucking essay defending in intimate detail

>>45163709
Considering they mentioned having followers who are EN fans, I'm going out on a limb here and saying I know what pre-debut livers get up to now. I guess I can't fault them for trying to damage control for a company they are about to debut into, but oof.

>>45154779
It's the Twitch meta in which western streaming scene runs

Oh great, the NDF is here

Nijisisters are truly the cancer on the vtubing community.

>>45163220
How's the pay, intern kun?

Notice me Niji intern senpai!

>>45156532
Isn't he the dude that faked his death when grooming allegations started getting popular?

>>45163220
Tryhard on holoboard

>>45163824
>>45163756
>>45163709
>>45163707
>>45163875
still waiting for you to reply about the points instead of making muh intern bs, mainly this one
>
Yeah anon, its as if the entire argument im making is about management itself in their official channels not doing anything when in thoery that would be the first place to do it. meanwhile, uki was the only one who ever removed yugo while fulgur to this day has him, and maria decided to change her cover in relation to zaion. meanwhile, yugo appears on this cover to this day on thumbnail, credit and MV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_FSf9q8Teo [Embed]
but in theory if they removed zaion from maria cover, yugo would be too on this one, even more a VTL cover
>Considering they mentioned having followers who are EN fans
holy shit you are retarded. Im a nijisanji fan, i have twitter, i follow jp, id, kr fans who also are EN fans

>>45163220
>Hahaha yeah guys I don't watch them but I know every detail about everything they've ever done

>>45163220

>>45163220
>>45163970
Nijiniggers are truly a different breed of cringe.

>>45163970
>Because while i dont watch them
>Im a nijisanji fan, i have twitter, i follow jp, id, kr fans who also are EN fans
Kek

>>45163220
>this fucking insane schizobabble

>>45161728
Hmu, I’m really good at damage control too, your manager would like me I promise

>>45155414
i love this generations brand of mental illness.

>>45164060
I mean he's not wrong, according to some nijisanji fans they dont watch their oshis because they are in nijsanji

>>45163970
>>45158339
>>45158440
>>45160616
>>45160933
>>45161068
>>45161728
>>45161992
>>45162540
>>45163220
Holy corpobootlicker! How does riku's anus taste like, bro!?

>>45163220
10 words or less

>>45164153
here, you forgot the image bro

>>45163970
So what did you mean by saying you have followers who are EN fans? Did upper management not get back to you in time on how to handle that slip up? I assume that's why you took so long to respond about it because you had a minor panic attack over it. Because you know people aren't just gonna ignore that, right?

Kindly reminder that you guys are arguing about adult men and women larping as anime characters and corporates who use them as money making tools

>>45163970
You should take your Tantrum medicine Tismo-chama, no one normal posts wall of text defending a huge corporation.
(I sent your credit to your Ccp card brother)

>>45164232
Kek

>>45162502
kek, saved

>>45163970
>throw the livers under the bus
>praise the management
Sasuga nijibootlicker

>>45153643
why are people getting riled up over something that you can buy at your local walmart.

>>45164324
They know they are underaged

>>45164324
the fact that he stalks minors on twitter, likes their selfies, enables self harm, etc etc dildo when 80% of your audience is a minor

>>45164060
By I don't watch them I mean NijiEN
>>45164242
I have followers who are EN fans because I also follow EN fans, how is something so simple making youfags thinking this is some secret agent shit

>>45163220
>No apostrophes in contractions
>I never capitalized
>First word after a period never capitalized
>Absurd run on sentences
>Starting sentences with and
>Making every new sentence its own paragraph
I hate ESL shitters so fucking much. Type in your native language retard, it's easier to ignore you that way.

Btw im still waiting anyone to respond this
>Yeah anon, its as if the entire argument im making is about management itself in their official channels not doing anything when in thoery that would be the first place to do it. meanwhile, uki was the only one who ever removed yugo while fulgur to this day has him, and maria decided to change her cover in relation to zaion. meanwhile, yugo appears on this cover to this day on thumbnail, credit and MV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_FSf9q8Teo [Embed] [Embed]
but in theory if they removed zaion from maria cover, yugo would be too on this one, even more a VTL cover
Why is it so hard to address this argument? because I show how their very management isnt doing that to them and instead some members are doing while others arent?

>>45164437
>>45164458
didnt even know who this guy was less then 10 minutes ago and now i wish i didnt.

>>45164324
For him/anycolor? Probably a Youtube demonetization risk for sexual content. Especially combined with that background being a bdsm dungeon. And his streams not being age-rated.
For everyone else? That plus him being a creep who stalks his underage fans' twitter profiles to like their untagged full-body selfies and encourages them to trauma dump on him while acting as an unlicensed therapist. But only as long as you do it through a streamlabs donation.

the fact that grown men in their 20s and 40s are on this board talking about shit like this is really sad to me

This ESL dude is really funny.

>>45164583
>Especially combined with that background being a bdsm dungeon.
Tomoe never suffered from that from YT, doubt its a problem
the only thing that can happen is him getting bonked and warned to not pull off a dildo on stream

but why tho?

>>45164599
Good thing I'm in my 30s dodged a bullet there

>>45161064
>>45162140
Hell, holo subreddit shat all over Cover even for Gura's botched first alternate outfit to the point they had to lock it for a day.

>>45164646
Think of the shareholders tho bro

>>45162140
>and Haachama

>>45164493
>I have followers who are EN fans because I also follow EN fans
Because people you follow aren't your followers. You are the follower in that relationship. This might have just been an ESL misunderstanding.

>>45164599
Because when a vtuber grooms underage women hes a star but when I do it people start throwing around accusations like 'sexual predator' and 'flight risk'.

>>45162625
they'll flipflop the moment anycolor decides to penalize him for it if they do decide to penalize him for it.

these are the same psychotic lunatics that handwaved shu being pushed into depression by the company and told the rest of luxiem to man up because the concert they gave up income to work on got cancelled for a reason they've outright implied publicly is lies.

the moment the company does anything against him they'll back down like the corpo bootlickers the nijien fanbase is.

>>45164601
the funniest thing for me is how none of you reply on the argument about zaion and yugo being unpersoned
>>45164321
I'm only observing what is happening and seeing the logic under that. In their own official channels they arent removing anything, and then yo want to believe me they are going to do members do that when members like fulgur still have yugo and other covers still have yugo? not throwing anyone in the bus but observing the facts. Management influence on this is them deleting her content and firing her.

>>45164583
Wait, did he specifically say they should use streamlabs for the traumadumping? He has a specific system in place for that?

>>45164787
yeah

He's still going at it over these streamers he claims he doesn't watch lol

>>45164583
>And his streams not being age-rated.
He doesn't flag as mature content?

>>45164841
nope since it would kill his algo

>>45164787
Yes. https://youtu.be/TXx2fu9r3TQ?t=18060
Notice how he specifically says "Feel free to vent on streamlabs".

you're trying too hard with your Zaion and Yugo shit bro. No (You)s for you intern, gotta earn it

>>45164556
>WHY WILL YOU NOT RESPOND SIRS
Because no one can fucking read your incomprehensible ESL babbling dipshit. Se how literally every reply is making fun of you? Take the hint and fuck off.

>>45164556
you should stop bothering to defend nijisanji on vt bro, the people here only know nijisanji through the EN branch, which is basically a dumpster fire of yabs and bad talent management.
They won't bother to change their minds about nijisanji and they don't care about nijisanji history in JP/ID/KR/IN either.
Actual niji fans will be able to give you better discussion about the successes and shortcomings about the company. We would know because we observe and criticize Anycolor more than the antis lol

>>45164749
once again, this is false.
>This was criticized much before other members did. Even before they tweeted, many already were finding it strange because JP concerts still were happening while others thought the covid shit was strange
and as for yugo, they did it before any member said anything
>You could also talk about Luxiem favoritism with the fans shitting on them for that to the point it became a more equal merch months later
>you can see fans shitting because of the second original song from luxiem
>you can see fans shitting on them because of luxiem merchandise being bad
>you can see many instances of nijien fans criticizing management decisions on twitter

just a few examples of that being a thing. and you thinking Hex is defended is hilarious when most fans absolutely hate him for months to the point some of them made a Nina list. go to that shithole forum and youll see how he was much more hated than zaion ever has been

I mean wasnt Yugo also stabbed in the back by noctyx and even tried to capitalize on his non gradaution by holding a pity stream?
I mean it makes sense since they have people like Sonny in that group has done some shady stuff in the past

>>45164786
> New yab
> People forgot about Zaion
Maybe this is planned all along

>>45164803
>>45164803
He's putting in the effort. It's a pretty fucked up game, but he's hustling.

>>45153643
I thought the neckbeards that watch Hololive were bad but I never expected women to be way worse… these gotta be underage girls

>>45164910
>Actual niji fans will be able to give you better discussion about the successes and shortcomings about the company
Then you arent real fans since real fans know that most of the shortcomings come from the liver side and not the company side.

>>45164910
Hey don't get us all wrong here. I understand that the main branch is a much different place. That's arguably the issue. When I talk shit about Nijisanji or Anycolor, I'm talking about how the EN branch is run. Which is unacceptable by any standard of professionalism. I personally do not have any complaints about how the main branch is run.

>>45164838
I do not watch them. I still talk with other people about En, you know, like normal human beings who are fans of an agency and you ahve friends who watch their EN branch. you get information by talking to others, you dont need to watch them and as a matter of fact i dont know everything, only what i was told by actual fans, just like how most of you are holofags and know shit from reading vt threads

>>45164870
Thats kinda fucked up ngl

>>45164998
So you dont watch their streams but are still fans of them?
Fans of the fandom

>>45164921
This is an English speaking board friend. Please.

>>45164556
I showed so many arguments earlier but you only topkekked the Pomu merch video.
Boy it sure seems like they don't do it to videos involving multiple livers because it's pointless to do so. Anyway so you are saying the livers are the cunts and not management.
NTA but I'm not surprised management didn't remove them either because clearly they are incompetent. Too incompetent to issue a statement to say "please do not harass or doxx any parties involved" despite seeing the situation unfold. Too incompetent to tell their livers to behave professionally and not attack (and frame) the defenceless. Too incompetent to say things themselves that they had to give Finana a script that she couldn't even read properly (you still need Grammarly more than she does though).
Hope you are happy, now fuck off back to /2434/ if you don't care about people whipping out a dildo to an audience of minors you fucking attention whore.

>>45164910
>JP/ID/KR/IN
You mean just JP right

He's trying his hardest to bury any Hex discussion, its unreal.

>>45164985
dear god why would I care about the company more than the actual entertainer??? You have to admit management has been really lax and also inconsistent at least for EN side, and not to mention ID which is even worse

>>45164910
>Nijisanji ID
>not a dumpster fire
wasnt this the same branch that got their fanmails thrown in the trash?

>>45164910
I guess so, its hard to explain to them how niji english community work outside of here. the "sisters" they say so much hate anycolor to this day for yugo but they act like they dont criticize them
>>45164985
once again, stop being on fucking vt and youll see plenty of times niji fans criticizing and shitting on anycolor for bad decisions or decisions they disagree. thats not the case for many of us about zaion, while its the case for many of us about everything i mentioned for all branches where the company got shit on

>>45164985
Jesus fucking Christ you are one true basement dweller. How’s the “I’ve never worked for a corporation, ever, let alone work at all” attitude working out?

In most modern country, people protect the workers not the greedy corpo.
Poor third worlder

>>45164985
>Real fans know the company is too incompetent to tardwrangle their employees
>Still fans
Gets me every time

>>45165052
I thought she was just being retarded and wanted to make this about herself. Do you really believe she was fed that shit from management?

>>45165067
no i mean that people on this board just don't care about the branches outside of EN, it's not a comment about the quality of their management

>deleted

Hex is a cunt and if Zion was dragged through the mud and terminated then he should as well

>>45165027
do i need to draw to you anon
I mainly watch non EN branches
I have known people who watch non EN branches and also watch EN
We talk about watch happens in EN, positive or negative, and I see them also talking about it on twitter
I'm on nijisanji servers so i see that shit also from others
how hard is to understand that you hear about that shit? i dont watch holo but i also know shit from them because im not blind to others talking about it

>>45165208
i agree, nijiEN management is inconsistent as fuck

>>45165171
I don't normally watch Finana (can't stand her voice) so I don't know if that's how she normally talks. The clip the intern kept spamming just seemed really artificial to me.

>>45165231
they love to play favoritism since its ingrained with their culture

>>45164998
This is bad practice. Like not just for this particular instance, but in life period. You are relying on biased third-hand information to inform your opinions instead of doing your own research on the stuff you are defending. Surely you understand how that's not a great idea?

Like do you even understand how different the management is for EN compared to everyone else? They tossed the branch together with scotch tape and gum because Holo Myth was killing it with numbers(at the time) and they wanted to see if they could get a piece. It was never expected to actually survive. They had no real management for the first couple waves. They still are not allowed to fund their own merch in order to make money off of it. This is not JP where everything is roses and rainbows. It's the wild west.

>>45163220
>>45163970
Im not reading all of this. Fuck you.

>>45165222
So you are the typical fanatics no one likes, the dude wasting his time talking about vtuber with his friends.
It’s just streaming man, their not even idols.
Weird fucking cult of personality, but for a company, and I thought sportsfag were retarded…

>>45165262
I would closer compare it to the Irish potato famine now

>>45165222
You're an actual fucking drone holy shit. Please don't breed

>>45165208
>>45165231
do i need to draw to you anon

>>45165222
nah just fuck off. take this dildo with you since you're so assblasted.

>>45165315
I dont know what that means, so yes

>>45165343
You may need to draw to him anon

>>45165262
NTA but agreed, nijiEN management feels really different from nijiJP main branch and I feel like it needs a complete overhaul, tighten up their PR and talent management.

>>45162125
Wouldn't be a yab if they kept their mouth shut. Nothingburger turned to this for no reason.

>>45165052
>NTA but I'm not surprised management didn't remove them either because clearly they are incompetent
>Boy it sure seems like they don't do it to videos involving multiple livers because it's pointless to do so.
thats quite literally the point. Maria removed it while with Yugo on his only cover outside of his channel still has it to this day on seffyna channel
Their own official videos on the NijiEN channel still are in there. I'm only saying this because it doesn't make any sense to me to not remove them from their own produced content while doing it on a cover with maria
>Too incompetent to say things themselves that they had to give Finana a script that she couldn't even read properly (you still need Grammarly more than she does though).
the rest sure, it makes some sense even if i dont think its necessary, but this one is just finana being retarded and talking about what she experienced.
>Hope you are happy, now fuck off back to /2434/ if you don't care about people whipping out a dildo to an audience of minors you fucking attention whore.
i dont care about hex like i said before. never watched him, only have seen his terrible tweets and some clips and heard bad things about him enough for me to not want to watch anything he does, even if he colab with my oshi tomoe. he can be terminated tomorrow for all i care

>>45165397
Even with no one around, a falling tree still makes sound friend.

>>45165343
>Tell me about your relationship with your father. Remember to only use streamlabs for therapysupas.

>>45165421
thanks for drawing to me anon

>>45165421
>Tomoe
isnt she that liver who along with Gundou goes to the managements "parties"
Im not surprised that you are looking down on the en branch considering your oshi gets support through her actions

>>45153643
jesus christ they used to be in par with holoEN when vox debut, grim

>>45165262
>This is bad practice. Like not just for this particular instance, but in life period. You are relying on biased third-hand information to inform your opinions instead of doing your own research on the stuff you are defending. Surely you understand how that's not a great idea?
isnt that what you and most here are doing as well? its the very same
>This is not JP where everything is roses and rainbows. It's the wild west.
JP isnt roses and rainbows either, its extremely flawed as well. EN management as far as i know by the way is all in anycolor japan

>>45165446
Actually that is factually incorrect because for something to be classified as a sound it needs to have a recipient of the vibrations. Otherwise it's just molecule shockwaves.

>>45165421
>tomoe
That explains everything.
It’s okay esl, you are pardoned. We didn’t know about your situation.

>>45165298
Anon have you looked at what youre doing? you are talking with vtubers with fucking anons in a random board. how is that better than someone talking about vtubers or any hobby with closed people from the internet or in random discords kek

>>45165421
>the rest sure, it makes some sense even if i dont think its necessary, but this one is just finana being retarded and talking about what she experienced.
The thing you have to understand about Finana, she unironically is retarded. Like legit room temperature IQ. She doesn't actually know what the word "gaslight" means. She's used it multiple times and every single time has been different AND wrong. Nobody will ever understand what she was trying to say during that clip, because I'm pretty sure she herself doesn't.

>>45165524
>AcKsChtuAlLy colour don’t exist when eyes closed
Are you retarded? Like genuinely triso21 or something similar?

>>45164713
meant to say *suspended
just read through this and show me the supposedly highly upvoted bootlicking comments : https://old.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/j0pz82/cover_suspends_cocohaachama_for_3_weeks_for/

>>45165531
>>45165500
Tomoe is art sister to Hex, thats why i mentioned how if he ever tried to collab her, I would skip my oshi stream

>>45165602
Just making sure that your analogy is flawed and you should use a different one. I agree with the message you were trying to convey tho.

>>45165566
>how is me wasting my time with other waste of skin in my daily life uhhh?!
I do this on the toilet you fucking moron.

You ARE a waste

>>45165656
what the fuck is even this argument
the point is, me and someone talking about vtubers on twitter or discord
me and you talkng here rn
its the same shit
just like how you get info from here is the same shit, maybe even worse, because you believe info from literal anons instead of someone you trust

>>45165515
but i posted first hand information with receipts >>45161340 and all i got was "none of that is any relevant because you aren't part of it"
fucking noor always flexing on us

>>45165515
>EN management is in japan

>>45165515
>Paul Li

stay in your split bootlickers, even comparing vtubing to sports agency fucking cancer of vtubing

>>45163220

>>45165515
>isnt that what you and most here are doing as well? its the very same
No. I have personally seen every single stream of Zaion's. So I can make an informed decision on which bullet points in that termination notice are bullshit and which ones actually got her fired. The fact that they inflated it to make her look like an evil person is awful. The fact that they brought up the topic of her personal accounts on it, thereby encouraging people to go look for them, is revolting. They willfully wrote a statement they knew, by virtue of knowing their own fanbase, would get her targeted for a hate campaign. And then did nothing to curb it. Not even simply releasing a statement denouncing the act. They even let a coworker ENCOURAGE the harassment during her initial suspension on HIS personal twitter. That's a real bad look when you recently released a joint-statement with your competitor vowing to stamp out defamation and harassment together.

>JP isnt roses and rainbows either, its extremely flawed as well. EN management as far as i know by the way is all in anycolor japan
Is JP really as bad as what I just wrote? Surely not, right?

>>45165703
you absolute brainlet. NTA but why do you think people on this board ask for timestamps whenever shit goes down? its so they can do their own research, watch the VOD and formulate an opinion. You automatically agreeing with your discord boyfriends' opnions about a branch you have never watched or cared about is beyond drone behavior

>>45165746
>>45165783
anon might have thought that manchuria was still a thing

>>45163220
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_FSf9q8Teo
NijiEN have no pull to remove shit from NijiJP
> i dont watch them
ogey
> club shit
go through high school again
> Luxiem favoritism
never changed, Puchi Luxiem is still Luxiem alone, and there's still far more Luxiem custom merch compared to the OG talents, Lazusydia
> This was criticized much before other members did
Physically impossible because there was barely a 10 minute gap between the announcement and the first liver tweet shitting on it (Ike)
> on twitter
we are disussing things /here/ anon, where the 2nd largest majority of their fanbase is

>>45164556
Because NijiEN management has zero sway over NijiJP projects you FUCKING RETARD

>>45165863
I sometimes wonder just how bad they thought it would get. Were they surprised when the dox came in the minute their announcement went up? Do they feel any remorse?

>>45166052
No

Never thought there'd be male chuuba slimier that vox but hex just oozes slime. Slimiest motherfucker.

>>45165981
>Physically impossible because there was barely a 10 minute gap between the announcement and the first liver tweet shitting on it (Ike)
The eu members reacted to it way later than the rest. Also, it was mysta who first criticized the covid excuse.

>>45166305
We know where the slime went https://twitter.com/avi_dewitt_/status/1635784852774723585

>>45165746
>>45165783
EN management is in Japan with jps who speak english, they arent americans or from other places, thats why en members met with their managers for the first time when they go to japan, like selen and elira mentioned before
staff is mainly overseas, including paul li who is a event and sponsorship manager
>>45165863
>That's a real bad look when you recently released a joint-statement with your competitor vowing to stamp out defamation and harassment together.
That never happened. That was mainly about JP branch and the document was just translated to english, which is why it was only on Anycolor account. Outside of Japan they are powerless, as you even saw with the drama channels.
> They willfully wrote a statement they knew, by virtue of knowing their own fanbase, would get her targeted for a hate campaign
they knowing their fanbase? do you really think they look at twitter anon? their actions certainly dont demostrate that, unless they just chose to ignore everything
>The fact that they inflated it to make her look like an evil person is awful.
they never made her to look like an evil person. Anyone who think shes evil is complete retard. This girl just isn't fit for corpo, and thats mainly the point of that statement. i cant for my life think shes actually evil, she broke rules and got fired thats it
>Is JP really as bad as what I just wrote? Surely not, right?
JP has plenty of problems. Its better than EN but its also very flawed

>>45165893
anon you dont think i ask about that either? I dont just simply believe it. im not a complete retard to simply believe in everything i see without looking if its real or not

>>45166041
>>45165981
That's a personal project from Seffyna, it has nothing to do with NijiJP management. All of her fuding, everything done by her.
>>45165981
>Physically impossible because there was barely a 10 minute gap between the announcement and the first liver tweet shitting on it (Ike)
no they did it hours after it happened. you can look for yourself and compare. its also not the only exaple i have seen, theres a lot more eaxmples i cited and even in here on their thread they hate the EN management too
>where the 2nd largest majority of their fanbase is
thats discord. /nijen/ thread dont have even 150 active users

What the hell are you people talking about in this thread? Are there actual Nijisanji employees here right now?

>>45165399
>>45164989
Then say NijiEN anon. it fucking sucks how now in the en side everyone says niji or nijisanji to refer to nijien instead of jp or the agency
it sucks cause jp isnt that known for enfags like idk maybe 20% of them know it and are oldfags, so their only impression of nijisanji is nijien and even with jp doing super well rn we have to read about how nijisanj is doing bad because en has a retarded drama either from their fans, livers or management

>>45166452
doesn't really refute my point

>>45166786
> Seffyna, it has nothing to do with NijiJP management.
which fucking branch do you think SEFFYNA is from you DOUBLE RETARD

>>45166908
it doeswhen before people were already criticizing them
and like i said thers many other instances of en fans shitting on en management

>>45166939
... Seffyna is on the main branch, yes, but thats not a NijiJP project funded by management, thats funded and managed by the own member. not like the argument changes anything because they still didnt remove yugo nor zaion of the en channel for clips nor for the original songs of their groups, everything is untouched

>>45163220
>>45165842
>It's actually, unironically a POO IN LOO

>>45166899
don't care. this is how the board is. fuck off back to your safe space in /2434/ or just go to 5ch. bootlicking not welcomed.

>>45166657
>they knowing their fanbase? do you really think they look at twitter anon? their actions certainly dont demostrate that, unless they just chose to ignore everything
You know, part of me really does want to thing they are ignorant, but when I see the kinds of people they debut I just can't. They are clearly pandering to a crowd.

>they never made her to look like an evil person. Anyone who think shes evil is complete retard.
THAT is the crowd.

>This girl just isn't fit for corpo, and thats mainly the point of that statement. i cant for my life think shes actually evil, she broke rules and got fired thats it
I agree with you, she probably just wasn't a good fit and that's it. The problem is that a large portion of the people watching NijiEN streams feel otherwise. These people unironically congregate on a DOXXING website and use it as their personal message board. It's filled with hundreds of thousands of comments all in english and all on the NijiEN pages. That's why she's had her full name and address doxxed by them and spammed everywhere.

You know the one person, and it really was ONLY one in the entire branch, that spoke out and said not to harass her after her termination was immediately shit on by those same "fans." picrel. They don't like the livers, they just developed a strange cultlike fixation on the branch. When you hear people accusing others of bootlicking, it's because it is unironically a huge thing going on in EN and nobody can rightfully explain why. One moment they will proclaim love for someone and then as soon as they say something they don't agree with, they are the antichrist. It's mental illness.

>JP has plenty of problems. Its better than EN but its also very flawed
That's fair. Nobody is perfect.

>>45167262
anon i dont think that doxx site is the majority of the en fanbase. they are a sizeable number but i doubt relevant enough to make up for the majority which is likely a total of 20k for all members. what is even the size of them in there? 100? 200? they barely make a difference and from what i saw only one schizo was doxxing her on twitter, and lost the account
>
You know the one person, and it really was ONLY one in the entire branch, that spoke out and said not to harass her after her termination was immediately shit on by those same "fans." picrel.
i have seen screenshots before of that place but outside of here i havent seen en fans shitting on ren for that, instead praising him. ive seen more en fans who agree with her termination saying to not doxx her than the contrary
my opinion is, you shouldnt look at that doxx site and think it represents anything, because just like here, its a minority of schizos and just like here over time they will forget about her unless there's some new development she does

>>45167446
>what is even the size of them in there? 100? 200?
12-13k based on their discord

>>45167262
>ONLY one in the entire branch, that spoke out and said not to harass her after her termination was immediately shit on
What the fuck is wrong with nijien? the moment someone goes against niji narrative they shit on them

>>45167582
>13k lunatics in a discord server

>>45166452
nah just shows you're misinformed and spouting bullshit

at least have the decency to ask chatGPT to proofread your walls of text
jesus fucking christ

>>45167446
hi schizo
you openly admit to getting your information second hand so i don't know why the fuck you think anything you say carries any weight

>>45167446
>what is even the size of them in there? 100? 200?
It's definitely well into the thousands. There are pages for all NijiEN livers and most of them have 10k+ comments, at least one is well over 200k by itself. I really really wish it was a smaller portion because I genuinely loved NijiEN back when it was Lazusydia. Luxiem just exploded and took the original fanbase with it.
>my opinion is, you shouldnt look at that doxx site and think it represents anything, because just like here, its a minority of schizos and just like here over time they will forget about her unless there's some new development she does
The problem with minorities is that they can still cause serious harm to an individual. And it's not such a small minority that NijiEN management should be ignoring it and doing nothing when she was being harassed by them while still employed and suspended. A simple notice would have been enough. Something to show they cared even slightly. I KNOW they know about her being doxxed because it was flooded on her termination notice tweet nonstop. Instead they paraded out a few of her wavemates to talk ill of her including thread topic who lied about being raped as a kid and condemned her for: https://youtu.be/0tkQAkTSREM even though Mysta admitted to telling Tazumi a rape joke and he cracked up about it.

They egged on the harassment instead of stamping it out. I get that you don't watch NijiEN, and that's fair. No judgement there. I've pretty much dropped them entirely at this point too. But you should at least watch the videos that Meloco, Kotoka, and Hex put out right after her termination notice. They intentionally put her in a really bad light and there's no other way to look at it. It should at least give you a partial image of how things are being handled. Oh and know that the statement about her faking a sponsorship deal was literally her making a Raid Shadow Legends joke. And the copyrighted song usage? She advertised her wavemate's song cover on her stream. It was their own copyright.

>>45167945
>She advertised her wavemate's song cover on her stream. It was their own copyright.
nta but thats not how song covers works. the song is owned by a third party and only the cover itself has permission. thats why you dont see any jap agency having covers appearing on their streams

>>45167945
That's a lot of words.

>>45167945
I dont watch them, but i do know about what happened anon
i saw the genmates doing it and no thats not management doing, thats the own members, thats why it wasnt all of them. in jp when axia graduated the own members chose to do streams about it, just like lulu graduation had mahiro doing it, and so on
imo its completely schizo to think they are making them talk bout that, it makes no sense when the termination alone
> I KNOW they know about her being doxxed because it was flooded on her termination notice tweet nonstop.
anon please if you think management are looking at twitter like this you overestimate anycolor. they pretty much ignore twitter and that includes nijien too. jp fans have been complaining about favoritism of more popular members for years and nothing changed, i ve seen en fans complaining about waves happening and they still keep coming. they do what they wanna do and call it a day, rarely coming back

>>45155286
It's been almost a week and I still don't know what internal information was leaked.

>>45168147
You really believe a corporation dealing with talent production that has existed for years really doesn't check social media? Every fucking talent agency out there has favouritism because those are the people brands want to work with you fucking moron. They aren't listening to you because you don't make them any fucking money.
You chose to be a corporate bootlicker. Leave.
You deceived yourself into accepting their shady practices. Leave.
You decided to make excuses for them on your own. Leave.
Fuck off and never come back.

>>45168333
please,you are a complte newfag who know nothing outside of EN

>>45168946
I know how Japanese talent companies run because I have been following the scene for over a decade you fucking moron. Go draw on somebody who fucking cares.

>>45168147
> I dont watch them, but i do know about what happened anon
just stop dude
you're just embarrassing yourself at this point

This thread will be remembered for years to come.

>>45169346
One last dildo for memory's sake https://streamable.com/pn89he